The Toyota Corolla SE. Will It Rally?

Ride along as we test the limits of different vehicles on our snow and ice covered skidpad and slalom areas, before putting them against the stopwatch on a mountainous rally stage here at Team O'Neil.
Since 1974 the Toyota Corolla has been the best-selling car in the world. There have been over 50 million sold in the past 48 years. How will this 2022 model compare to the 2009 Corolla LE?
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[@GrandPotatoe]

The real star of this run is the studded winter tires.

[@kraanialepsy]

I watched some video saying stud rally tires are soo grippy in the snow, you feel like you are driving on the dry tarmac. This winter stud probably in the middle of normal tires and stud rally tires, idk.

[@GrandPotatoe]

@@kraanialepsy I'm not sure either. I know just normal all season tires wouldn't have performed the same as with a fwd car on that course.

[@markthibault8579]

Yep. The GR Corolla was equipped with standard Nokian non-studded tires. So, not exactly a fair fight.

[@alexsternerup5636]

@@kraanialepsyI have a 2014 ford focus 5 speed manual. It’s front wheel drive and I have studded snow tires and on the snow, it drives super well. Definitely not like pavement and studs suck on pavement but it is much better than any truck or suv I’ve driven in snow

[@adanny4140]

Yup, and pulling the fuses. The GR Corolla uses computers for a perfect drift but with no driver assist you can really get control of that base Corolla, left foot braking and even pulling the handbrake. Even with perfect conditions, computer wizardry is not going to be faster than Wyatt’s driver skill in the LE (nice “slippery day” excuse, sorry Toyota reps lol)

[@SanProsan1993]

Now all FWD Corolla hatchback owners will claim that it beat the AWD GR Corolla 😂

[@eric9249]

GR Corolla owners sell those POS!

[@tannermorgan9796]

@@eric9249 Yeah sell that terrible car... to me!

[@CULTAGE]

@@tannermorgan9796no give it to me so i can properly dispose of it…

[@michalkalinowski7627]

I’ve already started!

[@ryan56976]

I mean, it DID beat the GR carolla in this race

[@chirst5874]

'Will it rally' is awesome and totally underrated

[@Teamoneilrally]

Thank You

[@rmanMMVII]

Thank you for your efforts!@@Teamoneilrally

[@eric9249]

Gotta do the GR vs SE, on the loop, on the same day!

[@tannermorgan9796]

on the same mf tires also.

[@damyanovasen]

Out of all the Will it rally videos, the Corolla ones are my favourites. Really shows how to have fun in a rental

[@weebbruh6975]

I think it would be interesting to see how a V6 AWD Challenger/Charger will do around the track, Love the Vids!

[@matthewstencel8298]

An AWD V8 cop charger would be good too! (I know they did a V8 RWD cop charger already)

[@flurpoid]

​@@matthewstencel8298You actually used to be able to buy an R/T AWD non-police Charger up till 2014. Unfortunate that they discontinued that model.

[@foodonfilm5935]

The 360 at the end of the video without a proper handbrake is hugely impressive!!!

[@trevor6814]

Not sure how often you guys read comments but could we get an updated “best entry level rally cars” from 6 years ago? I believe you have a strong segment of viewers that are genuinely interested in what is realistically achievable when it comes to getting your foot in the door of the world of rally and rallycross. Maybe just a couple of suggestions each for FF FA and FR platforms.

[@Teamoneilrally]

Great suggestion! We are working on updating some of those videos with new information.

[@trevor6814]

@@Teamoneilrally looking forward to it. Any good sources/forums you would recommend for learning more about entry level classes and most popular chassis? I’m looking to take a very bare bones tried and true approach to rallycross and eventually stage rally.

[@cccEngineer]

I'm definitely interested. I'm building a Focus ST right now for that purpose.

[@Teamoneilrally]

@@trevor6814 If you want to get an idea of what vehicles competitors run at ARA events, check out sneak attack rally: sneakattackrally.com/ARACombinerThing/index.html?live. If you've been following us for a while you'll see in many of our videos we explain why a Ford Fiesta is a great entry level vehicle that is lower cost and has many available parts.

[@KN-jw7ts]

If I can give another suggestion…..it’s a tall ask, but the views would be worth it. Gr Corolla and civic type R is constantly compared on an Asphalt track…..would love to see them on your dry course. Same day, same conditions. Think you would have a new viewership record.

[@robracesandrebuilds6499]

Will it rally is such an awesome series! One thing i think could be a cool addition to the winter videos would be the outside temperature on the day, as that plays a major role in snow traction and could be a basis for comparison on the lap timer chart

[@auti_yt]

I miss living up the road from this place, so cool seeing various types of rally builds driving by

[@flurpoid]

Would definitely like to see a Mazda 2 and gen 2 Hyundai Accent. The stability control on the Mazda is super intrusive and allows no fun, but y'all know how to work around that stuff.

[@tas1161]

Please continue to do this series, I love it

[@matthewstencel8298]

Now I’m curious, what does Wyatt actually drive? He mentioned the late model Corolla, is this one also his or what else? What professional drivers daily drive says a lot about the car

[@iLLuzion1st]

I think he drives a tacoma

[@nicholasohara12]

He mentioned at the beginning of the video that the first Corolla they tested was his.

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

Yeah, he said his personal Corolla has over 200,000 miles on it. I rented a Corolla a few years ago in Colorado and I have to say, it was kind of fun to drive in the mountain twisties!

[@Lambullghini]

One of my new favorite channels !

[@bilaljami1319]

makes me appreciate my older car. don't have to be an electrician to do things like left foot braking and such

[@joesnyder3063]

Keep these coming!

[@garboui1]

Love these videos, you really convey a sense of the character of each car you get in. Would love to see if the current MIata is always the answer for WiR, winter and summer!!!!!!!!!

[@mattsitsback]

I love how we get corolla videos? How about a base 22 civic with the 2.0?

[@sudovv]

love these videos

[@brodiwheeler7583]

2:46 nice flick!

[@ALMX5DP]

Love the ending!

[@clubtouge1052]

Unhook the front swaybar it helps a bit!

[@Vivid-sb8pr]

We NEED to see a TRX in this series!!! love the vids ❤

[@420CaptainSlow]

Fricken love these videos lol. Can we get a Honda Fit in a future will it rally? I'd happily offer up mine if I was closer

[@delon8856]

Man this just told me that Ive been over thinking the problem for left foot breaking and all I gotta do is wire a switch to my break pedals

[@murdochjaxon8385]

I've been waiting for this.

[@jsbehucbejizveish]

Do the S650 Mustang GT. I'd love to see how the crowd pleaser goes!

[@user-xo5hs5nd8e]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON RALLY SUSPENSION!!!! I have a 2003 legacy wagon I’m building

[@supasexystick]

6speed* yeah I've rxd mine it's fine. I didn't pull the abs fuse or brake switch just held the tcs button down

[@CACressida]

Thanks to you, I now know by disconnecting the brake light switch I can now do brake stands in a IS350 lol

[@corey_lajoie_fan]

Please do a 1988 astro van. Shoot, Depending on where ur at you can use mine

[@tqracing]

@2:45 that's a smooth flick If I ever saw one.

[@jordanmiller9940]

You guys should do the 2003 focus zx5 5 speed very fun to rally

[@lemonishearty8832]

God I want to learn to rally so badly, saw the cost. Guess im teaching myself 😭

[@ShubhoBose]

Can we see a Civic Si on this course at some point?, with appropriate tires for the season.

[@mhaskins00]

Could be helpful to include a benchmark time for a quick lap in a rally school car on the day of testing to give an perspective on how much conditions vary. To take it a step further you could even use that time in a known quantity car as a multiplier to normalize the times for conditions similar to PAX in scca autox. Wouldn't be perfect but would at least ballpark the times.

[@Jamesbond22855]

2015 Hyundai Elantra. You can turn off the traction control with a button, it has a cable emergency brake in the correct place, and the autotragic version is at least capable of being shifted in sequential mode, albeit it works backwards compared to a real sequential shifter and nannies you pretty hard depending on speed/gear combinations

[@jammaschan]

you guys should probably add *studded winter tyres when listing it in the list just to avoid confusion

[@vanisshen4467]

Trading in my GRC for this tomorrow

[@braydoncoate9583]

you guys should do a 2020-current nissan versa 5mt :)

[@societykrew]

You must do one with the Corolla hybrid

[@onnelli]

i think it'd be cool to see you rally a chevy hhr, they're dinky little cars but they can handle a lot of things you throw at them, especially if you get the manual

[@dc8c]

These videos are sick. I would love to see a how a Tesla or a Rivian would fare in these conditions.

[@everettblue9484]

Yeah the gr had abs and wasnt on studded tires if i remember correctly

[@Teamoneilrally]

Correct.

[@davidandersen6173]

As an owner of a Golf R would love to see/ Will it Rally

[@youngtilt5506]

i love mine

[@gabrielbierend7592]

Please do a crosstrek!!!!

[@deltaorion4826]

Any chance you can borrow a Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness from your local dealership and take it for a spin? I wonder how the CVT and extra clearance would do.

[@Yarf.McBarf]

I wonder if it’s even possible to disable traction control and ABS with the CVT. Iirc the transmission logic is closely tied to all the nannies…

[@user-be3gc9kk5s]

Dude, can we please get the 2.0t camaro in this series?😢😢

[@boreal6009]

Do a crosstrek next

[@ThePower1037]

I wish you would directly note that it's a manual! It makes a difference!

[@danielllanes6894]

how do you oversteer a fwd car with no e brake

[@iPtrck]

How to sell winter studded tires

[@jamespostle6894]

Please do a subaru outback wilderness!

[@Blas4ublasphemy]

Re-test the GR!!!!

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

Was just thinking, would be helpful to Corolla owners to figure out the source of that clunking. Transmission or motor mounts or neither. Seems like worth an upgrade/fix even if you aren't planning on aggressive off-road driving.

[@zudukaiKilo44]

do the mazda CX-5 next :D

[@dylanjones7655]

Let’s go!!

[@tas1161]

some better camera angles and production quality and this series is gonna blow up

[@ianfairbanks1318]

2024 impreza next please!

[@ShadowTheSC]

You should make a Black Friday sale for your rally school someday… pretty please😭

[@ChainsawChuck13]

I had an automatic sedan as a rental a little over a year ago. I thought it was a surprisingly alright car that really comes alive once you turn all the nannies off, but doesn't necessarily tell you how to do that

[@gib3ll1n]

When are we going to see a stretched out hyabusa with studs???

[@russellrader8786]

Next Corolla to try is one with Toyota's CVT and see how fast the transmission tears up.

[@ZackNakazora1]

really figure these cars could be a little more fun akin to the civic si with an LSD and a touch more sway bar..

[@kornofilo]

Do a Subaru Forester next!

[@chisingcheung8155]

Can something like this be done with a CVT transmission. Would it be better or worse?

[@Teamoneilrally]

A CVT transmission would perform worse as it has an infinite amount of gear ratios that it constantly hunts resulting in a transmission that is less predictable and gives the driver less control. The concepts of weight transfer and vehicle dynamics would remain the same regardless of transmission type.

[@peethasaccent]

Prius gen 3 next please 😆

[@Cal94]

was the GR run with [studded] winter tires? regardless. as a '22 SE sedan owner, that's pretty funny the 2.0L managed to outdo the GR... cause i've got that CVT, and a PHEV with an 8 speed aisin, and I gotta say... the CVT ain't so bad if it's all that u own. but even with less horsepower, the instant torque of an EV motor absolutely kills the CVT in city driving.

[@Teamoneilrally]

The GR was not on studded tires and it was very slippery that day.

[@kaymach]

@@Teamoneilrally why not keep all cars on the same tires for all tests? tires are the biggest difference for any kind of racing so i'm surprised there's any times recorded at all for this. also, if you ran a baseline car before each test, that would help give you some kind of delta for how slippery the conditions are

[@floodtheinbox]

I bet a 2011 Mazda 2 would rally.

[@cafn8ed74]

I'd love to see it, but I don't want to provide the test vehicle.😂

[@Yarf.McBarf]

Mine’s extremely fun in the snow, although it’s hindered by the usual factors (open differential, fairly understeery on stock suspension, excessive front brake bias with no easy way to adjust it). On the bright side, it’s pretty easy to engage “fun mode.” If anyone’s curious: - Pull the ESC-P fuse to disable ABS - Turn the key to “on” and push the brake and throttle all the way down for ~10 seconds before starting the engine to disable throttle cut on left foot braking

[@cafn8ed74]

@@Yarf.McBarf It's annoying to turn off the braking throttle cut whenever I might want to left foot brake, but I'm happy that Mazda decided to add that "fun mode" to a car which most people would consider a mundane commuter box. Edit: it's also nice that the traction control button turns off stability control.

[@floodtheinbox]

this man mazda 2's @@Yarf.McBarf

[@TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay]

With this logic, the projection of the next Corolla is Asurada, and will do the course minus another 11 seconds.

[@Manakuski]

Hmm, Nokian Nordman 8 tires? Those are basically Hakkapeliitta 8's.

[@confettihunterminus1]

Honda Fit, will it rally?

[@emilecollin6927]

Yaris 2008 will it rally, I have one and I’m for sure a manual with a real handbrake will

[@clovrfpv]

Lets see the 2024 prius awd!

[@Soter_Rev]

Should find a 1st or 2nd Gen Honda fit with studded tires and send it!

[@DanielFernandez-ht5xi]

How can I use the techniques of a manual on an auto?

[@Teamoneilrally]

Several of the techniques we teach can also be accomplished with an automatic transmission.

[@DanielFernandez-ht5xi]

@@Teamoneilrally good because I saw the Corolla vid and was inspired 😭

[@Veer1337]

manual corollas r fun asl

[@BiffNugemon]

new Hyundai Kona's have a handbrake could be a good FWD option

[@VenomSnakee]

Someone show this to Toyota so that we can get a rally trim

[@tanyguch_kun1330]

already had the gr anyways

[@smile1]

now you need to do the 11th gen civic😂

[@littlepip0025]

5 Speed?

[@Teamoneilrally]

We meant to say 6 speed.

[@andydelassus2734]

I friggin hate push button hand brakes.

[@LifeWideOpen780]

They make a 4wd corolla

[@ALMX5DP]

The hybrid sedan that’s basically a Prius drivetrain? Actually yeah, get a Prius AWD out there (the new hotness one)!

[@devensautox4698]

should do a tesla model 3. that would be hilarious

[@shawndass732]

rally an f-150 lightening!

[@RICHYSUNCLE]

Yeah but run the gr and Corolla back in summer and then see the time

[@Fabulousprofound168]

Who else here is checking out the inventory of their local rental car agencies after watching these videos?

[@zama4378]

Hi franzj

[@dr_mong3726]

My toxic trait is that I can rally my 2012 Corolla

[@djgrafta]

Very entertaining 😂 Fwd owners, NO EXCUSES lol

[@HexlGaming]

Ofcourse it will rally. It's the fastest car in the world after all; a rental.

[@hooviedoovie5220]

6 speed.

[@Zerker_Supremacy]

These new cars are too weird for me i simply can't stand all that unnecessary electronics.

[@Brandon-mf5uh]

Sounds like you have a flawed test and there’s a lack of knowledge as to why a regular Corolla with FWD beat a more power AWD car.

[@wantsanewvehicle]

:D