The Tragedy of Conrad Kellogg

[@theneocypher]

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[@zekromfan1]

It’s a sad thing to realize that Kellogg was a more interesting character than Father, or your own playable character. I could easily have seen him be a good main villain, or even the main character. He had something that really reminds me of Ulysses, though a bit less philosophical and more “I just want you dead” or “I’m going to finish the job” wasn’t so much personal as it was business, and the sad thing about it, is not only how wasted he is, but about how little of it felt intentional. It definitely seemed like the writers just wanted you to hate him, but instead of hate I could more see something to sympathize with. He was no different to MacCready in some ways, honestly would have rather had him as a companion, if for no other reason than to get more out of his character. As it stands Kellogg is just one of the many hundreds if not thousands of missed opportunities in Fo4.

[@theneocypher]

Agreed

[@CursedPR]

Its really easy too. When speaking, Kellog just flat out tells the Sole Survivor and him are all puppets, and we could have given him the chance to explain and let him convince us. But its definitrlt also out of charscter for him to want to partner up with the Sole Survivor, and for the Sole Survivor to want to partner up with him, given that he killed their spouse. ButKellog would probably try it, just to one up rhe old man. So it could have gone like this: Kellog says they are both puppets. SS demands an explanation and Kellog explains how he was set up for you to track him. He was sent to Diamond City with a kid, so when you got out investigating, you find a lead. Which eventually you did. And the Institute expect you to finish off Kellog. The SS is gicen the choice to acceot his story, which opens more dialogue, not accept it or say they dont care, which then it will lead to combat. If the SS accepts, Kellog explains that the institute is inreachable, but h has a potential leverage. However, he will need to do something first in order to proceed. You then start to fight the synths alingside Kellog. Kellog then sets a meeting place, because you both will need to leave since the place is gonna be swarming with synths and coursers (Imagine the Institute would send Coursers for Kellog, given how they sent one against the Railroad). You guys get out, aee the Brotherhood arrive, Kellog comments how that createe an opportunity since now the Institute is gonna be focused on them. You guys then meet wherever he says (probably somewhere south, close to the Glowing Sea, because his plan is to get to Virgil). Then he explains how the Institute operates. How and why the create synths. Why they capture and replace people, and gice an indeoth explanation, unlike Father with the "you wouldnt understand" bs. So then the plan is to get to Virigl and demand a way in. Virgil will tske some convincing, which you can then persuade him, by saying Kellog isnt going ro kill you, so he owes Kellog an answer as a thank you. When he mentions killing a Courser, Kellog offers hinself as a companion, claiming you'll need all the help you can get to handle a Courser, and your current company (if you have a companion then) wint suffice. You then now have Kellog as a follower.

[@JRMAV1]

I don’t know, the sole survivor is a 200 year old from the pre nuclear war age, losing their spouse and son, rebuilding the commonwealth while helping Multiplied factions and killing more dangerous things than the average human would.

[@ALKUN87]

Would have been interesting to watch Kellogg and Nick fight for control over Nicks body.

[@theneocypher]

I agree. Depth to that extent would have been great

[@tonystank3091]

Would've been cool if you could do that thing like in SWTOR, and help one side or the other take control.

[@jackakakreanxx5587]

or hell, even the sole survivor as (s)he was also plugged in.

[@mactysonkarate]

If they ever introduce Nick to a future fallout game bringing that concept or having him be a mix of Nick, Kellogg, and his own experiences shape his personality would make an interesting character that.

[@jeanmonte9469]

kellogg did not account the fact that the sole survivor was crazy enough to bring a fatman indoors

[@theneocypher]

😂

[@sillybob9689]

When it comes to avenging spouse's death and child's kidnapping, overkill doesn't exist.

[@TheJudge_Carls_Junior_Rep]

Kellogs definitely living a life worse then death being stuck in a robots mind unable to do anything. He probably should have asked the institute to either erase his mind or give him full control before he lost it.

[@theneocypher]

Definitely

[@Octo_-qw1yd]

Its crazy to think that Kellogg is a mirror image of what the sole survivor could have become.

[@theneocypher]

Isn’t it?!

[@jadedteevee]

*”There he is. The most resilient man in the Commonwealth. Funny, I thought I had that honor.”*

[@dunewski2684]

The Memory Den sequence is one of the few shining moments of world building done right in Fallout 4, shame that it’s so far and few between in Bethesda titles.

[@theneocypher]

Agreed!

[@dunewski2684]

@@theneocypherJust found your channel, loving the videos! If you’re looking for video ideas I think a video covering the various tribes conquered by Caesar would be interesting, The Blackfoots, Hangdogs, Hidebarks, Twisted Hairs ect. would be really interesting, your format would do the topic justice. Keep up the videos dude!

[@dunewski2684]

To add on to my original comment, what Bethesda don’t seem to grasp, is that it’s the small collection of narratives from different characters and their nuanced perspectives on the world that seamlessly weave together that create an interesting world worth exploring. What made New Vegas so great is the anecdotes from various characters about the state of the Mojave, that really put the world into perspective.

[@theneocypher]

Thanks! Im glad you are enjoying the content! 😁 I can’t wait to do a video on the tribes that comprise the Legion. I find that topic very interesting!

[@angelwashere8864]

I never knew Kellogg was in a abusive family under the newly formed NCR I always just rushed through his lore and killed him as soon as I saw him. Kinda feel bad about that now

[@theneocypher]

Oh man! Yeah, his lore is deep and extensive. You should definitely take your time with his story mission on your next play through!

[@darkabyssyt6875]

The true tragedy is that Kellogg's head now stains the walls and floor of Fort Hagen, his personally dug grave.

[@nach_7282]

Imagine playing a fallout game and meeting kellog in his chicago years

[@lewismousley8281]

Anyone every told you that you sound a bit like Ulysses from Fallout: New Vegas? 😂

[@theneocypher]

I get that a lot, yeah lol

[@lewismousley8281]

@@theneocypher hahaha it’s such a good voice! I’m very new to the channel, catching up on content. Definitely earned a new subscriber 🤝

[@theneocypher]

Thank you! Welcome aboard! 🎉

[@the_other_jackal]

Bull bull bear bear history missiles courier

[@dsgdsg9764]

Watch it profligate

[@amilavxilmen5632]

unironically one of the more interesting F4 character

[@theneocypher]

Facts

[@the_other_jackal]

I’ve always had a soft spot for Kellogg. He feels like he could have been a good man once upon a time. I think if most of us were in his position, we’d turn out much the same if not worse.

[@gibletti]

genuinely, i want a game based on kellog's history like even the little glimpses in his memories feel like they could be a really interesting story for a game, and the gameplay could be something along the lines of taking mercenary jobs across the american wasteland, eventually ending up in the commonwealth

[@President_Dave]

You sound like Three Dog doing a Ulysses impression and I'm all for it. Great video, more like these please!

[@theneocypher]

Thanks! Will do!

[@themeanestkitten]

I like to think he went out like you said. with one last troll, before letting go💀

[@reinhardtreinsch2923]

Another Theory: Kellogg isn´t taking over Nick but the sole survivor. Both had the memories and it is plausible that the sole survivor hears Kollogs voice while Nick is saying something very different. Besides the human brain is very programable, too. And Nick even says "must be nmemonic impressions left over" so he likley didn´t hear Kellogs voice and does not know what´s going on.

[@theneocypher]

Thats a great theory! I love it

[@loganstromberg5533]

Dude, please keep making videos definitely one of my favorite fallout youtubers. Your narration almost reminds me of ron perlman. Love your videos man

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much!

[@INoticed_XIV]

Your approach to fallout lore is great feels refreshing

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much!

[@minamotofchds2316]

Kellog need it’s own DLC but it never did

[@alexknudsen2759]

Your fallout videos are great, really enjoy them!

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much!

[@monabear7287]

I have a theory, everyone is a synth.

[@andrewobrien8325]

It’s an interesting question. Answer is I don’t really know. I’d like to think so but here’s food for thought….what weapon does Nick Valentine fight with when you don’t equip him with one? A pipe revolver….I’d say that’s not an accident. I’d say that maybe a hint that Kellogg is alive inside Nick. Besides Nick Valentine is a kind person, I don’t think he’d eliminate Kellogg, nope I’d say he’d allow Kellogg to carry on, only charging him with combat knowledge and that’s why Nick uses a pipe revolver because you have Kellogg’s gun. It strikes me as odd that Kellogg wouldn’t opt for continuing on if given the choice and Nick probably did and thus unknown to us every time we talk to Valentine, we’re looking into two sets of eyes….Nick’s and Kellogg’s. I suspect if nick’s personality ever became damaged enough…..Kellogg would walk again.

[@kaiaustin-yx2tl]

Hey neo If you’re not aware of the old world blues mod for hearts of iron four you should give it a look they have added lots of interesting Characters and peoples to the wasteland as well as well written fan lore

[@theneocypher]

I would love to! Still trying to get hearts of iron to work with mods at the moment lol

[@ladonmccabe]

This was fire! Great job. I love your voice and cadance.

[@carrier2823]

Bro got shafted so hard by the writers, he should have gotten so much more screentime

[@markmiller2464]

love your vids man! keep it up!

[@theneocypher]

Thanks, will do!

[@brandonmyers1400]

You think the Wasteland is bloody.. well it's about to get a new coat of paint ha

[@gandalfthepotato9844]

You have a great skill for storytelling

[@theneocypher]

Thank you so much!

[@colemclean1676]

Man and maybe a pipe dream but I do hope the next Fallout 2 made by obsidian or at least be on the west coast and same people who wrote the story

[@theneocypher]

Would certainly be nice!

[@CursedPR]

I know Kellog's cybernetics were going to be useable by the SS, but unfortunately cut. Imagine if when you implanted them, implanting the brain augmenter made you hear Kellogs voice from time to time. Taunting you or mayne helping you when in the Institute. Telling you thar you should wipe them all out.

[@theneocypher]

Im down for Cyberpunk Fallout lol

[@jester0297]

What if valentine returns in future fallout games and is completely taken over by kellog?

[@theneocypher]

I would love to see that!

[@NecroK47]

kellogg is the evil max payne from fallout. XD

[@theneocypher]

😂

[@RealDancingSky]

I swear I read that as Konrad Curze

[@theneocypher]

This is my sign that I need to get into 40k lol

[@TheBenjiNebby]

​@@theneocypher...i wouldn't suggest it, but id recommend weshammer for just starting out

[@afghanistandaily9175]

Very good video!

[@theneocypher]

Thank you!!

[@HawkMcbride]

Awesome video! :)

[@theneocypher]

Thanks!

[@josephfrechette9916]

It would be intresting to play a fallout game where a bad guy from the start.

[@redthing9470]

I still think kellogg should have been a companion. Nobody cared about the spouse

[@theneocypher]

Agreed. Instead they gave us Preston “Another settlement needs your help” Garvey.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Eh, he shot my wife and helped upduct my son. His horrible upbringing doesn't excuse it.

[@nach_7282]

You need to make a discord

[@theneocypher]

Got one right here! discord.gg/qkezqYMk