The Tragic Downfall of P-Nation & Why Everyone's Leaving

[@Yorbelize]

I genuinely feel sorry for Dawn, he is now labeled as Hyuna's boyfriend and nothing more. P Nation did nothing to help this situation. Hyuna promotions was always rushed imo, I feel like Jessi was the only one who got decent promotions under that company and even her promotions was still lacking

[@babycherry8103]

Agree but jessi got decent promotion because she stand out a lot. She’s sassy, speaks English, and doesn’t try to fit korean beauty standards, add that she’s very active on social medias and try to be funny, so it’s not like it’s her company that successfully managed her.

[@Yorbelize]

@@babycherry8103 You are right, Jessi did promote herself better than the company

[@Katfully_foody]

That’s pnation’s marketing strategy. It’s same as for YG

[@gmmtvfan7983]

Who's fault is it that Dawn isn't known under his own name?? His own, if only they did what the damn contract told them to do Dawn would be making actual good music with his old members that would more than likely be hits and so would Hyuna. Tho Hyuna is quite popular her music is not as good now that she was kicked out of her old company she doesn't know how to do music by herself, had she and Dawn not gon against their contracts (that literally EVERY kpop idol has too agree too..) they probably would have learned to actually promote and create good music on their own like almost every other kpop idol. They dug their own grave. They were doing great in their groups but nope as soon as they rose to fame they crashed right back down. You can't blame psy** for their mistakes.

[@suvikies1]

@@gmmtvfan7983 lmao the last line made me crack up 💀 tf jyp was not even mentioned

[@rose3212]

I think that artists like Jessi or Hyuna and Dawn need to create their own label like Jay Park or Jackson. They are « grown » enough and established very well in the industry so they can be independent. Plus, I feel that Jessi wants to try to be more diverse and be an entrepreneur. She’s launching her beauty brand soon.

[@Just999Me]

I could see that but there are also a lot of other labels owned by artists like Jay Park, Jackson or Hyorin. It's hard to maintain an entertainment company while you are also one of the main artists. Sometimes it's more cost effective to be under another artist's small indepedent company than your own. Overhead costs are no joke.

[@Expensive-op6pn]

True!

[@rose3212]

@@Just999Me That’s true but don’t you think it will be to « hard » for small labels to manage Hyuna and Dawn or Jessi ? 🤔 Like they have strong personalities, they are very « unique » on their own, they know what they want.

[@Vor567tez]

But sustaining a company is not an easy thing. Let's not pressurize them.

[@PrincessRomi1]

Starting a label costs a lot of money and it's not as easy as "start a company". They probably don't have the means (both financial and other) to do that.

[@maekoh]

if Pnation was better at promoting the artists there would be 0 problems. They treat artists really well, they just lack any sort of promotion that a company SHOULD be giving to their artists. PNation is still in the very early days of their company, this is only the beginning for them.

[@louise3630]

The problem isn't only promotion. Their artists should have better creativity freedom

[@heferiusgrendamel2665]

@@x0xmadix0x *accident construction worker

[@jamesrawlins735]

I think an even bigger issue is that Psy is apparently a control freak - he doesn't let his artists have creative control, and I think they don't feel like they have the freedom to be truly creative.

[@byeunhwi]

@@x0xmadix0x no ! a worker died from a fall take down the set not even a pnation staff, blame the summer fest organizers

[@maekoh]

@@jamesrawlins735 I can understand that to some degree. Almost all companies in their early stages don't give creative freedom cause they fear the company & the artists not becoming successful. YG, SM, JYP & Hybe all did the same thing. Not to mention the hundreds of smaller companies.

[@wHiPpEdFoRJeOnJuNgKoOk]

Psy is a great guy, he knows how to spot talent and nurture new Artists. He deserves every success so Pnation will be fine. It's certainly not the downfall for them yet.

[@AlexandraSoysuren]

Yes thats true

[@Phd366]

True.. but if everything they say it’s true, Psy needs to learn to delegate and trust his artists.. let’s hope for best for everyone involved.

[@drpri1836]

But he's accused of micromanaging his artists. He should've given creative freedom to Jessi, Hyuna and Dawn.

[@blrfivvuvu]

To me, Hyuna seemed happier than when she was at CUBE, E-dawn even wrote his lyrics but we don't know these people, so we can't confirm what's happening, also, Psy just owns the company, just like other managers, they don't meet their artists everyday, so if anyone is mistreating them it could also be people that work under him. I think that some creative freedom is nice for singers, but in some cases some artists can lose fans or fame, might not know which concepts or songs suit them, might not know how to write songs that flow nicely and might ruin their image, since they didn't have creative freedom before, there is a limit to it I suppose. There's a lot of things we don't know as internional fans, especially about rumours and news.

[@jisoo_is_my_life5796]

How tf can he even think to debut a 12yr old

[@Sarrahmaa]

Even if pnation is good in treating his idols, he isnt the best at promoting them, so i understand why everyone is leaving,( btw im writing this before watching the video)

[@SunhaJae]

Too much freedom is not good treatment either..every company should have strict rules & regulations to manage idols well..i hope psy would learn..he is doing well in promoting his first group ‘tnx'

[@uki_and_fuchans_left_shoulder]

@@SunhaJae no idols are human they shouldnt have such strict rules they deserve freedom

[@jaywhypeemom3980]

@@uki_and_fuchans_left_shoulder idols are humans but just because they are humans doesn't mean that they don't deserve to have rules. We also have rules given to us by our parents right? Too much freedom is never a good thing

[@uki_and_fuchans_left_shoulder]

@@jaywhypeemom3980 but they're adults I understand if the underage idols haves strict rules but idols in general are adults and they don't need STRICT rules I'm not saying that don't need rules at all but the rules companys have are way to strict

[@o-kiku2090]

I think they left bc Psy interferes too much with his artists to the point that it causes a big fight. I think these artists just want creative freedom.

[@hamilcross]

as great of a person and as talented a performer he is, it doesn't necessarily translate well into leadership/promotion. I don't doubt that jessi, hyuna and dawn had a difficult time making their decisions because they all seem to get on well with psy, but I think this is another case of boundaries not being properly set up. it's not always the best decision to get into business with friends. hopefully they all learn from the situation and are successful going forward with the knowledge they've gained. I think psy needs to take a step back and just be the face of the company and let people with a better track record do the heavy lifting.

[@ayalaajoul7594]

There's also a huge problem in management

[@hamilcross]

@@ayalaajoul7594 yeah he took on too many people at one time i think, it’s a shitty situation all around

[@mangokilla127]

It seems like this is a case of why one shouldn't go into business with close friends, friendship doesn't always equal a good business partnership :(

[@asseylum_2.012]

You know what, the amount of freedom these artists get to even can leave the company without making it into scandals is something to be respected at. I don't think any other agency will let their artists leave that easily. Usually their contract only profited the company and not the artists. Will squish them out dried, then let them leave. So, i still think Pnation is a good company.

[@byeunhwi]

i hate how everyone wants to paint pnation as evil when older companies started the same, pnation is new and still has lots to learn, they’re already doing so great with TNX too, i’m glad kpop stans on youtube have some sense 😪

[@Katfully_foody]

Thanku.

[@sanikaardekar69]

I agreee omg

[@Cheshirestog]

Yeah I mean apparently they don't remember why Jessi and Hyuna and Dawn signed with him. They already had issues with prior companies.. Dawn and Hyuna weren't supposed to be open couple. Jessi also wanted to take time for herself. Psy allowed them to be themselves in important ways others wouldn't while doing their musical career. People say Psy influenced them but he's also their colleague and friend..im sure he influenced that way and if they push back he won't be rigid on decisions necessarily. People say their music changed but it sounds like them to me, just like they finally could try different things as well. They're known for wanting to try different things. I think it is all blown out of proportion and people want to gossip.

[@rakshitasingh6574]

​that's the truth

[@LemonRose59]

Honestly its not fair to speculate that much about PNATION. They're not the first and *won't certainly be the last one* to loose artists do to differences ! PNATION is still a pretty new company, and still looking for its own path ! These things takes years ! They're not as established as Jyp or hybe, with 50 different groups so you should keep that in mind. So to say that PNATION is going downhill just for loosing 3 artists is kinda mean. Yeah they're big artists, so what ? You learn from your mistakes, hopefully they'll learn from theirs and get better management/promotion.

[@shamidkpzd]

Yeah this company is still in its infancy. While Psy is an established artist, being CEO of a company is totally different. It’s quite a learning curve.

[@pancakelady]

I also feel like it's one thing to take on already established artists and another to work on new groups. When the group is new you can work with them on developing their sound, concept and so on. But when you're working with an established artist they have a clear idea of what they want so that could lead to creative differences.

[@thec0nch]

@@pancakelady i agree honestly this seems like the most plausible explanation

[@BloodNote]

I feel like this is missing the point of what's going on inside and making light of it. It doesn't matter about it being a new company if they're being shitty to it's artist.

[@Gustavo-yt9ms]

4 artists

[@islamae29]

I feel like the biggest problem is that PSY is an active artist as well. He's a musician with a very unique and distinguishable style that sets him apart from other solo artists. However his biggest flaw is his stylistic choices are TOO strong. He wants his artists to also encapsulate his style and taste, which in turn comes out as controlling and restricting for his artists. Not every artist wants to be like PSY and not every artist will shine with his style. He signed many already established musicians, they're obviously going to already have a style they prefer. I can see why this would cause a lot of internal conflicts with him and his artists.

[@hangesglasses9603]

this

[@saracruze2212]

👍

[@tinyaliyahtv]

Honestly I know Psy is a guy with a beautiful heart and only wants the best for his artist, but his biggest problem which is leading the down fall of his company is the way he promotes them and doesn't let them make their own music freely.

[@heyimmagenta7310]

Hm, for the longest time i tought PSY actually let people have creative freedom.. Well, in retrospect, jessi did mention multiple times that PSY wanted her to dance crazily like he usually does- in Nunu Nana..

[@tinyaliyahtv]

@@heyimmagenta7310 Yeah

[@urliterallydogwater00]

@@heyimmagenta7310 personally I think it’s pretty clear that aspect of what jessi, hyuna, and dawn have been releasing since joining pnation were heavily influenced by psy

[@lunarialoonatic]

I think similar to JYPE sometimes, he tends to treat them like he would treat his own comebacks. Which is why he’s such a perfectionalist with them. Jessi left bc she wanted her own creative freedom and clearly Psy wanted to control it himself. But Jessi and HyunA did have a close relationship with Psy it seemed before

[@tinyaliyahtv]

@@lunarialoonatic Yeah

[@aimen87]

I hope P-nation does get better...

[@byeunhwi]

they’ve only been around for 3 years give them time

[@aimen87]

@@byeunhwi Yeaahhhh! I've always wanted P-nation to be the best home for artists

[@lilithyolanda9851]

PSY is a good guy with tons of artistic enthusiasm, but leadership wise is questionable…

[@byeunhwi]

pnation is fairly new and still have lots to learn, also mangeing already debuted artist is so much harder because they already know what they want to do and have that fanbase… it seems Jessi, Hyuna&Dawn only every disagreed on music but they were comfortable enough to argue with psy and still get along with him.

[@lilithyolanda9851]

@@byeunhwi that’s cuz PSY is an artist. If it was a corporate company like HYBE, SM, or just any other big K-pop company; getting your creative thoughts is harder because they hold business higher than music. I’m not saying PSY is a bad guy, I’m just saying that not every musician is cut out to do both the Business and Musical sides of K-pop. PSY does control the Artists music cuz he puts to effort much in helping them that it now feels like he made the songs. Pnation fans can’t keep using this “there a new company” excuse every time they make a mistake or cause a problem to the their artists. Right now, as we speak, Pnation is being under investigated for the death of a worker working in the Summer Swag Venue. K-pop isn’t some little kids game, Pnation obviously wants to become a powerhouse just like HYBE and that means they need to get their act together. Their not some local business, their a CORPORATE business. PSY is a great artist with a big imagination, but he lacks the necessary leadership skills that will keep his artist happy and the company afloat. PSY should’ve been a creative director instead 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@byeunhwi]

@@lilithyolanda9851 bro this is their first year with mistakes and suddenly everyone thinks their doomed

[@lilithyolanda9851]

@@byeunhwi it’s not tho? People just been ignoring it, and only just realized once 3 artists left the company. Your putting your emotions to much into this and that’s the problem. The only good thing you can defend PSY’s leadership skills is that he’s friendly & that the company is “new.” In the end it doesn’t matter how much friendliness a leader has, if he can not cooperate with the artists freedom then it’s meaningless. Pnation is under POLICE INVESTIGATION over a death of a worker in the Summer Swag Venue. That isn’t some measly mistake, that IS a serious problem that can result in the company shutting down or maybe even having PSY stepping down as ceo, maybe even getting arrested. I don’t think Pnation is doomed, I just think they gotta get their act together and start being more professional before something like the Summer Swag Venue accident happens again. Your excusing PSY horribly leadership skills because your his fan or because you like the way former Pnation artists has been portrayed on media. Not every thing is good and even Pnation can be bad.

[@byeunhwi]

@@lilithyolanda9851 the worker didn’t work from pnation therefore they shouldn’t be held accountable

[@chaengdubz8220]

It just seems that Psy can’t compromise with what his artists want in terms of the music they put out. Understanding it is his label and ultimately it will reflect back to him, but his artists also need to express their individuality to a certain degree in order to feel that their best interest is also being recognized.

[@maro_vela_22]

From one of the most promising companies, to one of the most disappointing ones so far, not the best but not the worst. Edit: I would just like to clarify that I never stanned the company when Hyuna and E'Dawn joined, if anything, I was just glad the the two are still able to be idols, but on the other hand, I was a bit suspicious bcuz, hey, it's a KPop Company and we _all_ know the stories that highlight or rather shed light onto the actual worst ones. All I'm saying is, PNation, isn't the worst company per se, but, I do agree that they do indeed need to put on a bit more effort into promoting their artists, as well as allowing them to have full creative control on what they're comebacks are supposed to look, feel, and sound like. In an interest of full disclosure, I'm not one of those people who "begged" Pristin to be part of PNation, however I have so many thoughts to unpack abt this discourse or discussion. Firstly, I do believe that transfering from one company to another is indeed lengthy process, especially for a group like Pristin that has _so many members_ , 10 to be exact. Secondly, I do agree to the idea or belief that many of the members were ready to move on and that their goals no longer aligned with the others who did not terminate their contracts w/Pledis. So, essentially, I was not putting my faith into PNation to "take care" of Pristin, simply because I just wanted to respect Pristin, and not do otherwise by just egging them to join a different company to pursue their dreams. With that said, we should also respect Hyuna, E'Dawn, and Jessi decision for leaving the company, because we may never know the real reasons why they left, and all that's left to do is pray/wish/hope for the best of them.

[@kiwiipeachii8980]

They are still one of the best companies because if you look at how other companies treats their idols, it isn't even nearly as bad

[@staciii]

"one of the most disappointing ones" that's a reach. Have you seen other companies? 😂 Their issues don't come close to their competitors

[@pix1943]

@@staciii Looking at you CUBE

[@toteeth]

@@staciii we don't expect anything from other companies but with pnation we thought it would be the "perfect" company, that's why it is being labeled as the most disappointing one

[@carmenlatief942]

@@toteeth that's why it just doesn't make it that bad.. No one should put them as perfect in the first place

[@celebiglives9842]

The general public just doesn’t understand that music isn’t just about the art but it’s also about the business aspect. Don’t attach your personal biases towards a particular group or individual when it comes into running a company. Business comes first…

[@siren_scales_15]

I'm not tryna support psy or something but yk pnation is not some company like HYBE or YG they started in 2019 and ofc they had a lot of recognition but that doesn't help then financially Psy does have experience in the kpop industry and how it works but creating his own label and becoming a CEO of it is not some simple job He maybe needs time to understand everything... Edit: I'm not trying to support anyone I'm just expressing my thoughts

[@myfantasyisnct]

Exactly Dawn deserve more than what he's was given he not just somebody boyfriend he's an talent individual and I am not going to lie I was really piss at how psy was promoting him like an accessory for Hyuna...Only song I saw him promote was "DAWNDIDIDAWN" and he didn't even do much for that comeback psy was just adding Dawn to Hyuna schedules and here I thought finally a company that can really help, support, cherish, and manage their idols with love and respect.... I was wrong 😖

[@catsexe6932]

I know that Jessi wanted to be recognised as a singer... I really hope for an album

[@ELmayberry]

me too🥺

[@artistblue18]

In that article about her arguing w/ Ost she says “It's true that we argue about music sometimes, but we don't take it to heart." She even talked positively about Psy in her Dive Studios Podcast interview when talking about how Nunu Nana and that album came together quickly

[@Cheshirestog]

I think people taking arguing to be more serious than it is. They disagree a lot as they're different people.. but she feels okay and safe to openly disagree and fight for her opinion because it is Psy. Having different opinions doesn't mean it is animosity.

[@artistblue18]

@@Cheshirestog Exactly I agree. I just get annoyed at channels like this trying to create more outrage just for views. Tho this channel isn’t as bad as others. It’s still not ok. Even if the channel creator really wants to believe there is animosity/more drama than there might be. It frustrates me when ppl speculate who only look at worst case scenario and not mention that Psy may have parted on ok terms w/ Jessi/Dawn/Hyuna. Just to make Pnation look like another evil company. That’s why celebrities get unfairly canceled over allegations

[@Cheshirestog]

@@artistblue18 absolutely agree.

[@Abliz]

It’s just crazy how quickly Pnation fell,, it truly felt like a utopia had been created for mistreated/mismanaged idols but I agree with everything in this video! The fact that Jessi was the first artist signed and never got a full album or even physical sales of her mini album was horrible! Dawn all but disappeared after joining and only had one digital mini album that was barely promoted. As for the other artists, specifically Heize, I didn’t even know she had released a new album until I randomly came across the mv on KZbin! Not to mention the whole 12 year old idol, like cmon how could anyone have thought that was an ethical thing to do to a child? The industry needs to set a an age requirement to avoid this, at least 16 for god’s sake (although personally I think 18 would be better) On another note, I bought Hyuna’s album and was so disappointed by the packaging - it came with a photo book (if you could call it that) with like 50 loose pictures of her, a poster, and the lyric book. I know not every company packs the albums full of goodies but this was just sad, especially for a powerhouse like Hyuna. It just feels like Pnation just keeps falling short with everything.

[@byeunhwi]

pnation didn’t fall.. they still have so many artist.. don’t forget how the big 3 started off

[@MykkiOnTheCusp]

I really hope that Psy and those working at PNation learn from this fall-out and do better by their artists going forward. If they're able to learn from their mistakes and bounce back, they could still be a top contender agency in the Kpop world.

[@annis749]

The reason why people loved pnation so much in the first place was bc they do treat their artists well and as human beings. They had alot of freedom in terms of how they present themselves. He took in hyuna & dawn when no one else wanted them just bc they were an idol couple. And also jessi who is alot to handle with her free spirited mindset in the conservative kpop world. The issue is the management, the promotion and the fact they didnt get the creative freedom they deserve & probably expected. Psy turned out to be very controlling when it comes to music and has that mindset of "I know what to do to make you more famous bc this worked for me" he's playing the power card bc he has been in the industry for so long. Going down the road of jyp, who was also very controlling over the music that got released. Everything had to be done the way he wanted it to. Thats why so much of got7's self produced music got rejected. Even day6 who write all of their music themselves still cant release every song they want and they need to be approved first and ultimately the company decided what was put on the album. Its similar here, jessi for example still loves psy, they get along well but when it comes to music they have such different opinions & views. He didnt let jessi release what she wanted. He didnt even give her a full album in all those years. Like yeah she did well with her releases and they were all hits but if jessi isnt completely happy with it them it makes sense, she need to think about whats more important to her and in the end she'd probably rather release her own stuff and what she really wants to put out instead of being given songs just bc the chance of them being successful is high. Psy is a great guy, he definitely knows how to spot talent and he is am amazing producer. Its just he took artists in that already were in the industry for quite a long time and he certainly was too controlling and didn't trust them enough with their music, he couldn't compromise at all and only did what he thought was the right thing to do. Pnation is still quite new and they have to establish themselves and I think they'll be completely fine with new groups/new artists. Like neither hyuna or dawn nor jessi hate psy and none of them said that pnation is a bad company, its just musical differences and wanting different things for their career. I think psy also has to learn alot about being a CEO still, and he either needs to learn to trust his artists more or he'll just continue being a very controlling producer/ceo. They do need to work on their management & promotion tho, bc none of them got promoted how they deserved it. No full albums or physical releases or bad album packaging/no photocards etc.. its really sad.

[@lala_3032]

Wow you should be a journalist to write articles like these!

[@jame254]

Like I think PSY himself barely got promotion lol. And he is the CEO. Though come to think of it. That is Psy style of promoting always in your face. Barely ever believed in teasers. If he did release one it was that just one trailer. For un upcoming song.

[@annis749]

@@jame254 yeah but I mean he can decide for himself what he wants to do, if he doesnt get alot of promo its probably bc he doesnt want it 😂

[@Gustavo-yt9ms]

@@jame254 did you actually see the PSY promotions? he literally had a ton of promotions, while HyunA only had 5 days and Jessi only had 1 week, not to mention the other neglects, this company manages artists very poorly

[@dolphingirl9346]

There are differences between Pnation and JYP. Psy or Pnation took Jessy, Hyuna, and Dawn who already has their own unique styles, creativity, connections, and big fanbases to his agency and he thought he could control their style and make them more like his style. But JYP didn't do that. He created the artists. JYP trained Got7, SKZ, day6 to make their own music before they knew they could make it. All of the boys were raw artist when they were young. But JYP gave them a lot knowledges and understanding about their own talent, so they actually shined on their peak days. Well Got7 already has their own style so that was why they left agency with much better album and music. Their freedom and creativity still shine and on point even without company. If Psy want to put control on his artists, he could make new artists like now.

[@hotsauce1328]

Hyuna and Dawn would need to sign up to different agencies. They are already in a relationship, it is best not to intertwine their careers 🙄

[@sadeeznutz]

PSY is an incredible artist with a good eye of what trends and music that would become popular but that doesn’t mean that has to be the creative direction of all his artists. He wants Hyuna and Dawn to have continuous releases and Jessi to do music in a certain style because he knows it would be well received but that’s not what they themselves want.

[@johnp659]

He’s not even that. His trends are 2010

[@LadyGaladrielOfLothlorien]

I hope they'll join ents. like RBW, KQ, KONNECT, WangTeam etc. and not the those sh*tty ones like YG, JYP or SM. I wish everyrthing best for them. They desevre more popularity and happy lives. I'll support everything Hyuna, Dawn or Jessi will do.💕💗 Treating good isn't means they'll music is going to be good or they'll be promoted good, Pnation proved that.

[@pennydreadful5163]

All companies are shitty.

[@nicolesa9088]

What HYBE

[@Cherry-pe2hg]

@@nicolesa9088 HYBE is just as bad others.

[@LadyGaladrielOfLothlorien]

@@pennydreadful5163 Yep, they're. Just some are level MAX of sh*tty and some are kinda chill.

[@LadyGaladrielOfLothlorien]

@@nicolesa9088 Not as good as it seems...you probably don't know what are doing to TXT...

[@maidatariq4934]

Im still grateful toward p nàtion for taking hyuna and dawn under his company but he treat them poorly he should happy about it bcz he choose iconic stars and also talented but now he lost them and im happy that they take this decision and im going to support them its better to not go under any company if they going to treat you like that

[@syasyaishavingfun]

I think for bigger artists it's really important to let them do their thing

[@thec0nch]

it's really strange that they're all leaving at the same time but from what i can see it might genuinely just be down to creative differences? but who knows

[@NoNo-bd8id]

It's really not strange, they all were signed in January of 2019, so their contract was 3years and 6 months.

[@thec0nch]

@@NoNo-bd8id i was actually wondering that, that's a good point.

[@biibikiki1304]

Not every artist can be CEO .. Psy is too self centered and he thinks he is alwaus right .. no one is wiser dude. He has let these artist talent go wasted .. what a shame

[@iCarma95]

I'm really waiting for all the new things to come for Hyuna, Down and Jessi. They will do amazing!... As for the claims of poor management, I think it is normal to happen, remember P nation is a small company and a very new one. If bigger companies still have issues with management imagine a company like p nation. I wish that they learn how to manage well and give their artist a bit more of freedom.

[@dozart6850]

I agree with poor management. They need more staff with related key aspect experience (like if they lack in organizing promos and scheds or foreseeing their events to ensure safety or having more opinions on which songs to release) to cater to different needs of their artists, the company and the staff themselves. Their next moves are surely important. Especially when they still have talented artists which probably relies on their decisions too

[@Johnny24rs]

That's what people said last time. L

[@AlexandraSoysuren]

This channel is so cool I think that your videos are amazing!

[@ameliepoulain5711]

Honestly it feels like there is a huge gap in their strategy compared to other companies. Indeed Hyuna could have benefitted from more albums, and a different sound. For Dawn... I know the video says he's talented, but he does not have a voice, so I don't believe he would have made it out anywhere as a solo artist. For Jessi... This is actually sad to hear that she never got to have the last word in terms of creativity. After Nununana, all the hits were similar (and I enjoyed them all) but she can showcase much more, it's sad the company was not able to give us that. I'm waiting to see what the boys group will give, this will be the first time they have to launch an artist, so that's when we'll be able to see if they can give quality.

[@Feelkkari]

Psy is a great artist but that doesn’t always mean he’d be a good CEO. He’s used to having creative freedom in his work but he can’t control his artists the same way.

[@CarlyGayJepsen]

Listen….i get it but in all honesty you shouldn’t expect full control of your work when you sign to a big company it’s business at the end of the day they have people to pay and a company to run and it depends on the artist’s work and lets be honest everything jessi did under pnation was successful so we can not say that psy wasn’t right about the decision I don’t think it’s a good idea for any company to give artists complete control of their work from the beginning it happens everywhere in the entertainment industry for the first few years artists have to work with a whole team of people who studied and know the business to get them on top and secure their spot and also artists can not sign under a company without a contract and that contract always has points about this kind of stuff so i don’t really understand when fans complain about it, the artist themselves are just as responsible they willingly signed the contract you can’t always blame the company and staff they have bills to pay and it depends on the artist

[@stacci1495]

Well said

[@exsoba_ramen]

Seasoned artists like Jessi, Hyuna, Dawn would do well creating their own companies like Jay Park, Hyolyn etc...I wish all of these amazing talented artist well!

[@_.M_]

People who are saying they weren't promoted well - what do you consider good promotion? I am surprised since I've seen them all film online content, do interviews, stages, variety shows etc. so I am curious what the standards are?

[@byeunhwi]

the only thing pnation did wrong was not provide good quality albums but it’s seems thier getting better as seen with TNX

[@linqque]

people in sk didnt even know there is hyuna' comeback, so promotion is not that good

[@wildflowersdawnie9312]

I'm so sad Dawn wasted more than 3 years just to be known as Hyuna's boyfriend. Even when their relationship was revealed he didn't get that nickname. in first time he signed with pnation. i am very grateful to pnation for giving a place to dawn and psy said proudly that hyuna and dawn will be rivals and be professional in their careers. But pnation gave up quickly and gave hyuna 1000% responsibility to promote Dawn. Hyuna has power and every time her name was mentioned , she is always get attention. Dawn got a lot of attention because of that but his image changed to Hyuna's boyfriend. I don't blame Hyuna because this also has a big impact on her career. now they are like 1 pack. And that's sad. hyuna and dawn have different colors and styles of music but they always try to match each other. pnation made them only known as a couple. And I'm very grateful that they came out from that agency.I hope that Hyuna and Dawn will be more firm in their careers so that the couple's image will fade. Hyuna and dawn are now rarely seen posting photos together. I think that's why they left the pnation because they wanted to change their image

[@lo___o5648]

Literally he did it himself though😭💀 I am happy to see them as a couple but at the time I can’t feel sorry for him specifically knowing how he decided love over a full on career especially when his ex group fame was super high at the time.. at least waiting a good 5 months or so would have made it easier I think. Hopefully he gets back on the right track?

[@wildflowersdawnie9312]

@@lo___o5648 Hyuna opened up their relationship in the first place, and after the news came out all the pentagon fans asked him to leave the group, what do you think Dawn should do? stay in the group shamelessly ? Dawn left the group so all his friends could continue their activities. I also can't blame Hyuna. She opened her relationship to the public because of the pressure she was under. Do you know how much hate Hyuna got when she debuted with Triple H? She just wants to help pentagon members get attention through her name but all pentagon fans are jealous and insult her. This is also cube's fault. when pentagon's name started to grow through shine they should have disbanded triple H but instead they made a comeback and because dawn was getting more and more popular at that time. Hyuna also gets more and more hate. Dawn is the most selfless person ever. he hasn't said a single bad thing about the pentagon since he left. but pentagon fans always insult him. so sad.

[@st4rfuls]

well i suppose it doesnt matter now 💀

[@_tripalong]

He thrived so much more when he was in Pentagon, he was the face of the group

[@yeonjunshittingproblems9278]

if im being honest not every company is perfect and tbh i think PNATION is the best one yet he's great at building a relationship with his artists and he lets his artists date and also is a great person in general he just needs to learn how to actually promote his idols properly bc if it wasnt for that i think he could b having new artists into his company, i wish him and his company the best and i hope the boys from &audition that didnt debut may have a chance there bc its honstly one of the few companies that lets u have some of ur private life (dating ect.) and i hope he gets new ppl in his company all the best to hyunA, dawn and jessi

[@AC.e108]

I think gyu is scared of you

[@yeonjunshittingproblems9278]

@@AC.e108 lmao

[@byeunhwi]

well see how they treat TNX

[@AP-xf1bz]

SM let their artists date, i mean the amount of times they confirmed the dating rumors of their artists. Now don't get me wrong SM remains trash company but they give this freedom to artists that have already established themselves in the industry i.e. Kai from EXO, Heechul from SuJu, several members of SNSD where in confirmed relationships when all 9 were still part of SM, Joy of Red Velvet. The dating rule is only ban for younger groups that still need to establish themselves in the industry because dating scandal = downfall with Kfans especially if the member belongs to fairly young group. At the end of the day, it's always about business and artists are employees of the company

[@yeonjunshittingproblems9278]

@@AP-xf1bz what I mean is a company that wouldn't starve their artists or make them go on such diets they could die or make them have plastic surgery if they don't want it yk like none of the big 4 bc they don't treat their idols fairly

[@KichiUki]

I mean, I feel PNation isn't the worse. if Jessi, Hyuna, and Dawn were allowed to walk away after like 4 or 3 years? better than a 7 year contract

[@jordicarvajal2834]

PSY became famous with the release of Gangnam Style. Before that, he signed with YG because he was struggling financially. He would not had been where he is right now if it wasn't for YG.

[@maiplayground]

I think the biggest problem is BECAUSE they signed on such established artists right away. All the artists already knew what they wanted to do and now they have someone saying yet again what they can and can't do. If they worked more on new groups it might not look so bad.

[@preyslaydisplay]

sometimes you just can't work with your friends, relationships cant always translate very well into business relationships without sacrificing some of your friendship.

[@stay_here510]

All psy needs to do is learn how to trust his artists and once he does that it’d gonna be great

[@byeunhwi]

damn right!

[@janvdb9258]

It is a marketing issue, nothing more

[@kassy887]

@@janvdb9258 didn't they say they weren't given creative freedom as well?

[@whome1253]

I don't think Psy knows how to separate being an artist vs being the boss. I think he needs to focus on bettering the company and leave the artists to create what they envision, not what he thinks it should be. Just like the artists have to trust him, he has to trust the artists.

[@artistblue18]

I have read that AllKpop article that you reference in the video “She talks about arguing with Psy when working on her music” Interesting how you used it when saying she was “forced” to release a song she didn’t want to. “What Type of X” was a song meant for Refund Sisters but Lee Hyori thought it should be a Jessi song. And that Psy agreed. Jessi mentions how she is grateful To Hyori for the song

[@hasitdawnedonyou]

I think Jessi did more promo via Instagram and TikTok and that helped her so much but yea PNation didn’t do much in terms of promotion

[@topdenlepcha6806]

Well you all can say whatever you want... But i have only known Jessie, Hyuna and Dawn was after they joined P Nation ..I mean they all are really talented and good but they have gained more popularity after joining PNAtion...

[@AP-xf1bz]

Hyuna is already a big name way before she joins PNation and tbh she went downwards while in PNation. They only "gained more popularity" with international fans bec there are more accessible social media outlet now for Kpop such as Tiktok (where Jessi's Nunu Nana became extremely popular. They didn't gain more popularity because of PNation

[@AV-ks1gp]

lol tragic downfall my a**. A lot of he said, she said, assumptions going on here. You can't just learn to run an entertainment company overnight. Psy is learning and doing what he thinks is best I think and part of that learning process is making mistakes, some people will trudge through it with you, and some won't. Dawn and Hyuna can easily do their own things but this might give them the opportunity to finally get married and focus on themselves. Jessi I think has been slowly dipping out of the entertainment industry of her own accord. She is a very opinionated and strong lady lol. She should be her own boss. People come and go, doesn't mean the company is about to flop -.-

[@BlazinNSoul]

Jessi is an icon in the tradition of Legends like Yoon Mi-Rae. They were sisters in arms in Up-Town after all. Yoon took Jessi in when she was only 15 & were like sisters. There is a reason why Jessi is so damn good here. When you are raised by the best so to speak you will be the best. Jessi can start her own label if she wants. However she clearly isn't really for that yet. She has as much admitted she will be back which I have no doubt here. However I don't think Jessi will ever be happy. She is tremendously talented but headstrong & that has kept her from achieving her goals. I am not sure anyone will provide her the freedom she wants. Which is why starting her own label might be her best option. It worked for Lee Hyori & Yoon Mi-Rae so maybe that is a good option. Jessi biggest obstacle is herself which I hope she discovers. :/

[@AV-ks1gp]

@@BlazinNSoul Completely agree! Her own worst enemy is herself. I think it might be good for her to wander off on her own as it could very help her settle that part of herself. People make such a fuss over stuff that happens in the kpop industry lol. It kind of get a bit ridiculous after a while.

[@RavarsenBlogspot]

Building an agency is no child s play.

[@marie61413]

P nation must not have enough funds to pay their talents and luck compassion towards their talent. Too strict and focus more on how much he will earn.

[@marge2980]

And now Hyuna and Dawn have broken up

[@blackpinkku_3813]

people who are perfectionist are the worst negotiators they never want to compromise or give a little room for both parties to be in harmony, see that in my line of work all the time

[@misSabiha]

I remember leaving a reply to people wanting idols to sign up for pnation instead the established company. It's so naive and dumb.

[@shaktis9061]

it is just crazy how it seemed like a one the best company that actually allowed the artists freedom and then seeing the real behind the scenes and hearing whats actually happening within the company.....like some suffts in a management agency is predicable but when u can't ensure what to promised and was started with is just too much at this point .

[@TrineMortensen]

It's bound to go like this when the CEO himself is also an artist.. That's what was wrong in JYPE as well, especially for GOT7 since they were in the same division as JYP and even though his not the CEO he still have a lot to say in the company and all their music had to go trough him.. He always changed JayB's songs, probably because he was jealous of him writing actually amazing songs.. I kinda see the same with PSY, he wanted to control everything that came out not nessesarily for the same reasons as JYP but just because he has his own oppinion from all his years in the business 😓

[@safz15]

My only favorite song from Pnation is THAT THAT(ft suga of BTS). I really loved the song(also suga wrote, composed & featured in it). Otherwise i feel like pnation songs, i just listen 1 or 2 times

[@MsZeldasaga]

Yeah pnation doesn't make very good songs

[@fathiaolomowewe3787]

I kind of like tnx debut song

[@yoongiverse.]

I really like Ping Pong, Cold Blooded, Zoom, Nunu Nana, and What Type of X too

[@AGULL]

I love who dat be from jessi, loved dawn music too money

[@Gustavo-yt9ms]

promotion is not their only problem, they are really a bad company, HyunA's albums had a lot of inventory problems even though her fans said they would buy a lot of copies of the albums and they didn't do the least for her, they still gave it to her only 4 days of promotions, HyunA and Jessi have said several times that they wanted to do jobs and shows, but Psy wouldn't let it, Jessi wanted to release an album, but he didn't let it, even though they always hit, so much that Koreans are happy they left from there

[@churlish_hoecake]

Well, they say that if you want to ruin a friendship, then start a business with them. I made the mistake of getting my good friend hired at a company I worked for. Everyone told me it wouldn't work well, especially because I'd be his boss. Thankfully, he left before our friendship was completely demolished.

[@helene7672]

Jessi, Hyuna and Dawn lack star power. Doesn't mean they aren't successful but they aren't at the level of bts or blackpink. A company can only do so much if the stars aren't popular with the audience.

[@Daisy-ue9vk]

How does BTS and black pink come in this conversation. I am an army and blink and Those guys are in groups and groups are promoted more than most soloist in Korea as well as fans having a bias in the group which makes the group more popular and gaining fame and money These guys are soloist and soloist are treated badly especially small companies, IU is very lucky. But some ain't

[@Johnny24rs]

Never mix friendship with business. People were criticizing CUBE, but look at GIDLE, they rock

[@syarifairlangga4608]

True .. they also have a chance to make their own music.

[@Broccolaicy]

Honestly, p nation became a safe haven for idols who left or get kicked out of their old company due to injustice. They never debuted an artist who was originally under them. I mean its good there's somewhere idols can go to but now it just became a stepping stone until they can go back on their feet again. I hope psy manages to train a group or artist and debut them successfully.

[@ytuser920]

Honestly I would really love to see how jessi would be as CEO

[@ludludwig6517]

I don't know why everybody is so suppressed about Jessie leaving Before she joined Pnation Jessie herself express that she didnt want to be famous anymore she was so over the industry and wanna quit everything around the idols, and Korea entrenamient , and then after jointed Pnation said that she doesn't care about being famous that all she wanted is to be a mom and make a family so be honest I see it coming when she left. Was really obvious and she's been kinda depressed after continue again as an idol she had expressed in a lot in her show

[@brinsssicyrine2865]

1 Hyuna left cube. She wasn't kicked out. She demanded to leave cause cube stoped all her activities and they didn't explain their intentions. 2 she didn't cry while performing ping pong. She cried while performing Buble pop. I guess she misses her old songs.

[@vhisal192]

Don't have act like you knew Hyuna you knew nothing about her !!!!

[@brinsssicyrine2865]

@@vhisal192 what? These are facts LOL you can watch the concert on KZbin when she cried after singing buble pop. And she wrote a public letter and publish it in her Instagram demanding from cube to terminate her contact cause they didn't give her news. So chill

[@brinsssicyrine2865]

@Pooh_🤍🖤 she's allowed to sing them yess. Cube didn't block her. They came to an agreement. She sings her old songs i' all of her concerts with Pnation

[@analien7458]

@@vhisal192 😂😂😂 why r u behaving like this 😂 I bet u r 13 and a new kpop fan

[@vhisal192]

@@analien7458 ew k bye . Not your expectations.

[@camilapinilla3955]

Psy gives me JYP vibes and I don't know how I didn't see it before The older man dancing to cringy (but kinda catchy) songs with oversexualized models (remember that scene in gangam style were Psy was screaming at a back up dancers butt? It reminds me of JYP mvs) and now seeing him being a "perfectionist" who is difficult to work with and doesn't listen to their idols...

[@silentnight4025]

I remember people saying pnation was the best company ever, where are those people at? It wasn't surprising that pnation is falling right now, there were just too many big solo artists in pnation and pnation hasn't really established themselves as they can serve them

[@mariebeauty3303]

sorry for the comment but u should not forget that Pnation is still a beginner company

[@silentnight4025]

I know they were a new company, people were raving them as the best when pnation hasn't established themselves in the industry as a trusted company

[@cosmolvr]

Psy treats his idols with care and respect and he could make it big if he knew about leadership. There is no doubt that the company would end up big if only psy would let the idols have their own freedom in making their own songs instead of forcing his ideas onto them. And just because 3 idols left the company doesn't mean its the end of the world or something. There are millions of talented people who want to become a kpop idol and I'm sure that in the future many more talented people will join Pnation. Psy just needs to work on his leadership skills and Pnation will be back on its feet in no time

[@richards4035]

I expected him to let artists like Jessi, Dawn and Hyuna have control over their music. Such like a sub-labels and what not in P-nation. very disappointed

[@lunarialoonatic]

Thanks for this video. I honestly never understood why people always assumed P nation was the best company. Especially after seeing HyunA and Dawn’s saturated music lately and Dawn loosing his style in his music and being reduced to “HyunA’s girlfriend.”

[@hannijobs]

But look at PSY's own promotion of THAT THAT. Still going.

[@WhenYagoing]

You don’t need to promote if you are big artist. Leaving from lack of promotion is gaslighting. They left cause they want their own labels

[@_karenkari]

In my opinion, if it wasn't for the fact that PSY's comeback was now the hottest comeback in this year because one and only SUGA of BTS, he took the most active part in this comeback from being a producer, songwriter, collaboration and kind of dancer. In my opinion, if it wasn't for SUGA, this comeback wouldn't have been so successful because looking at PSY's 2018 comeback after YGE, it wasn't so such a hit.

[@m.skitty7372]

I hope nothing terrible happens to TNX...

[@itgetsworse601]

Could it be that some people are sabotaging him? Y'know.. bigger companies not letting anyone climb up

[@jenrose1195]

I'm quite worried about *TNX* Eagerly waiting for their cb it's been a while they debuted and no cb after that . They are so talented yet underrated. Also hoping they get good promotions.

[@melodylightsahgasestarlight]

The issue about Koki is mixed. If you were a fan of Loud, you would gave wanted him to debut with his hyungs on TNX. On the other hand, a lot were also relieved that his debut was deferred due to his age. It's really hard. It all depends on the morals and the opinions of whoever knows the situation. Let's just hope everything works well for everyone - to those who left, those who stayed and TNX who just debuted.

[@jayasian7904]

You cannot change Kpop system in terms of employees. Visual , talent , profit ,marketing and management is still a priority.

[@jack_beanstalk]

all I can say is that ONLY when you're physically in that position, you will then realize how difficult it is to handle what's expected of you WITH that position. Being a CEO of an agency is nothing like an artist of that agency, and vice versa. Ａ CEO plans the long term strategies of the company, and he WILL be responsible for the success OR failure of the company. And to make things even more complicated, if there are shareholders in that company, he is answerable to those shareholders. Also, by the end of every month, he has to make sure that there is enough cash flow in the bank so that the employees WILL get their paycheck on time. With all these responsibilities under a CEO's belt, I DO NOT believe that he can give the artists 100% freedom to do what they want. It's perfectly normal for a CEO to share his concerns with the music direction the artists are doing, the way they dress, etc etc. And this will happen more frequently with small companies like PNATION, especially when the CEO himself IS a musician. The narrator mentioned briefly about Jessi opening her own label...well ...if that happens, let's see what she will do in terms of managing an agency.

[@Cherryblossom21909]

Even pnation treats their artists good.......I think he should promote them more

[@kpopgyuuu]

HYUAN AND DAWN :( THEY BROKE UP TODAY

[@nillabean215]

Respectively, working under a company, if the songs aren’t gonna work for them, they will absolutely deny it. Because at the end of the day, it needs to make money. Hopes and dreams are cool, but you’re talking about a genre that is making millions. There’s a reason why they stick to a certain formula. Because it makes them money. It’s why a lot of these artist sound the same over here. Because it’s what makes the company money. They are the people who set the trends. N the artist gotta comply because their under a contract. People always think oh we have good relationships with people. Yes but having personal relationships and having work relationships are two different things, y’all cannot mix them up. I think psy is a great person with a good head on his shoulders and I also think the artist he signed are great. The personalities are definitely strong against each other though. It’s crazy but that’s how it be

[@AP-xf1bz]

Well said. Most fans don't realize that this is business for companies, money are involved and if an artist isn't giving them what they expected, why would they invest anyway

[@charleneo1934]

There was a scene in LOUD where JYP points out that he shouldnt have pics of his artists plastered in his office because you never know if they will leave. Foreshadowing

[@ariariari1]

if you think jessi, hyuna, and dawn got the short end of the deal in terms of production and promotion. wait until you realize heize is a part of pnation as well.

[@lea9977]

It’s all about money. It’s always nice to say drop music videos and albums, but if they don’t have the money to go into it, they won’t do it.

[@kingolost5153]

Pnation was not different of any other bad company but the fans of PSY defend the company trying to hide the flaws of him and the company. Jessie easy had one of the best song of the year and the promotion was basically trash, in the moment even a blind could realize the was something wrong on the company, a lot of trainees leave the company of course we don’t know why but 1 it’s a coincidence but 2-3 are a case.

[@heferiusgrendamel2665]

So far! This is just a minor problem for a New company. People just making it big 🙈🙊 leaving company is pretty normal for sunbaes as far as i know.

[@emet17s]

Running an agency is still business; another set skills that will run you dry if you do not have the proper funds, business skills, and right knowledge people working for you. It goes both ways actually. Are they an asset of a liability atm for PNation. How much are they bringing in versus being invested on…

[@curvybagel]

Pnation basically let the singer do their singing style and what kind of song they want to launch. But yeah the label doesn't really helping with it comes to launching an album or promotion. The singers need to do it by themselves.

[@munchiebear]

While I do admit PSY is indeed talented and well- respected, it doesn’t necessarily mean his determination translates well with managing his agency. I don’t mean to assume, but it sounds like he’s a bit too strict and I think that’s why Hyuna, Dawn and Jessi left recently.

[@nikkiferretti]

It's unfortunate that this happened, but I think Pnation will come out of this alright and having learned some valuable lessons. Even big companies like SM will do sh*t like failure to promote or even give artists comebacks (* cough, EXO *), but because Pnation is new and still small this makes it more obvious. I hope the best for Jessi and the other artists!

[@lexi9598]

Honestly (as someone who lives and works in Korea), this is Korea is a nutshell. There are always a ton of promises and excited talk about the future, and things fall short due to lack of planning, bosses being hyper-controlling (don't listen to your input at all), and a lack of knowledge on how to really run a business/company.

[@dpx6962]

After they leave. Psy surprise fan with hwasa sign😅

[@rachelmartinez5604]

Jessi, Dawn, Hyuna and PSY made this label so exciting - sorry to hear it didn't work out :(

[@JoenilMinguez]

Well Jessie and crush are the only artist in pnatio that have good career, Hyuna and Dawn career are doomed when they choose to pursue their relationship publicly and leave cube ent. I mean pentagon started getting a lot of recognation after releasing shine, they could have make it big just like those other groups,

[@firefly19690]

Their relationship shouldn't matter in relation to their music. They are both very talented and Hyuna has a long lasting stable fan base. I truly don't understand the concept that Kpop idols must remain eternally single. They are human beings who should have relationships and they shouldn't be punished for it. They also didn't leave Cube, they were dropped by Cube.

[@JoenilMinguez]

@@firefly19690 I know that their relationship shouldn't matter with their music,I'm not against it though, but that's not the case In Kpop industry, dating scandals or rumors in kpop are really huge issue. Some people are really happy with their relationship publicly but if you follow Hyuna releases on pnation you can tell that it's not as impactful from the songs she releases with cube ent.

[@sxongii5791]

@@firefly19690 but the reality is different hyuna has stable fan coz she has been in industry for a long other hand Dawn was just started to shine but I think it's better if they had wait couple of yrs and then public it anyway here there are now hope they will find better company to join

[@firefly19690]

@@JoenilMinguez As much as I love the artists and music coming out of Kpop, there's no denying some very toxic and questionable things also come out of it. One of things that needs to change is the toxic belief that idols need to maintain an image of attainability by remaining single and not having healthy relationships. Idols having relationships needs to be normalized and shouldn't affect their art. It disgusts me that people will stop being a fan if their bias starts dating. If that's the case, they were never really a fan and only loved the impossible dream that someday their idol would meet and fall in love with them. If dating were normalized, then dating rumours and scandals would almost completely disappear.

[@firefly19690]

@@sxongii5791 I hope so too. Both are insanely talented and shouldn't be punished for being in love. Its absolutely ridiculous that idols are supposed to maintain an image of being attainable. Just because its the reality doesn't make it right. Idols having relationships needs to be normalized.

[@ckim3926]

I think these companies with CEOs who are idols themselves won't have the right energy or mindset to promote the idols under them. I mean, look what happened to Black Pink. Two albums in 7 years!!?? Guess Jess and the other idols didn't want to wait that long.

[@limnaee1812]

We still don't know what exactly happend, but yeah from the surface it seems like the company wasn't good at promoting the artists

[@ariesaraya1822]

I dont know whats w/ p nation but as soon as you sign the songs get really bad. Jessi, Hyuna and now Hwasa. Hwasa's latest song is such a departure from her prvs releases and now Chili? Just really bad tiktok songs. Also Hyuna going from iconic songs to pingpong is just terrible.

[@cirilavilles9366]

Anyway there is no perfect in this world. If there is mistake we learn from it. Fucos what's behind of the problems and settle or solve or gather some idea's from the management and help one another . This is only the beginning. Be strong and fighting. God bless 🙌

[@mihiduli4055]

it was not expected, I got confused seing this video I had no idea about this... But I get there were problems, nothing is perfect. Hope they'll learn how to work better and maybe get back on track, both the artists and P Nation

[@preciouslyunhinged]

there alot of creative differences,tbh this isnt a good look to work more than 3 years and not have full album,hyuna deserves better,dawn is all rounded a pnation wasnt doing there job,jessi,bruh she should establish her own label.she is the type who is diverse and loves exploring alot until she finds what she likes. there is alot of bad managment.i would leave too

[@MissCMcCafferty]

I personally don’t feel that they joined PNation to promote themselves, they did it based off a friendship with psy to promote his company and what it stood for which is inclusivity and diversity within the music industry