The Tragic Downfall of K-Pop Music Shows

As sad as it sounds, the weekly K-Pop music shows seem to be coming to an end!
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[@Shirma85]

My problem with today's kpop is that they went the western route and they've lost their identity

[@fared___3409]

Too much english lyric, it became just pop not Kpop.

[@urhypeboy]

They literally make more money with westernized concept lol. Cry about it

[@RedFro95]

​@urhypeboy lol true dat

[@Mrsmin-ju7td]

💯AGREE

[@kittiesapphire111]

I mean yeah that's true kpop did go down the western route, however, Kpop was already westernized in the first place since 1st gen

[@courtneycooper4905]

Tbh 2nd gen kpop was when music shows really shined. Miss those days.

[@Shirma85]

And the variety shows were chefs kiss

[@oliverlumbad8029]

I agree

[@sparkle_92]

Exactly... No dating scandals when working with other idols 😢

[@fared___3409]

Variety show these day lack of idol involvement like they used to have in 2nd gen. I think its because they have their own production show for youtube channel.

[@mazdarxvin1]

Facts miss those days. Could sit and watch a whole show and be entertained.

[@rainalwaysfalls]

Honestly kpop isn’t as fun as it used to be. Toxic fans, solo stans and scandals have really taking the interest from it.

[@K-Blink_K.K143]

Yeah it’s becoming stressful rather than fun because of all the competition for the idols and fans

[@rainalwaysfalls]

@@K-Blink_K.K143 not really competition but more the toxicness of it and the scandals.

[@K-Blink_K.K143]

@@rainalwaysfalls there is a lot of competition which cam lead to toxicity thats what I meant

[@wen2345]

The scandals and toxic fans was worse back , they would literally do attempt murder and the idols had to apologize for it

[@johnmarkpanaligan261]

Bro kpop artist now are more famous in thier scandal rather than thier comebacks.

[@Noctis198]

2016 to 2019 was peak K-Pop. With as many controversies as there are these days...K-Pop isn't fun anymore and now music shows are dying too.

[@courtneycooper4905]

That’s debatable. I find 2008-2016 peak K-pop. 2nd gen was the best.

[@Okay79775]

i am not saying anything but the controversies of that time never came to public eyes . and yup thats the reaity

[@Luvlazi_]

I think the entrance to western culture is the main reason why there is so much of corruption..

[@hippityhoppity3964]

Oh yeah 2016 to 2019 the years of non controversy,are u sure I'm pretty sure the burning sun,nth room,mnet manipulation,3 idols passing were literally the most turbulent years of kpop the 2016 to 2019 era

[@urhypeboy]

You copypasted this comment in literally every kookielit video, what an attntion seeker 😒

[@txmmi.x]

personally, after 3rd gen, kpop stopped feeling authentic and it got boring after a while

[@KhadaJhin04]

3rd Gen was peak, it was the work ethic of 2nd gen and better access to resources, more versatile and better camera quality as well as the perfect amount of western interaction, nowadays all the idols are camera wise, they all have to be ready to go viral, the songs are tailored for tiktok...it's sad.

[@jugemujugemugokounosurikirekai]

Damn right, I stop watching kpop-related events except when the group I stan attending that event.

[@rakshitasingh6574]

ikr .. 3rd Gen was it for KPOP

[@Misss_beanssssss]

Idk, if its just me but the scoring methods confusing 🤥👀

[@theobscenekiwi]

intentionally so, rigging is easy if each category "stands for something" but also has a complicated point system.

[@naevis-db8ok]

@@theobscenekiwi the broadcast score is the reason why aespa lost a lot of wins

[@bluedrakken]

@@naevis-db8ok its also why hybe wins almost everything. thats why you see hybe artist on random music/tv shows that no one watches.

[@2ndMostUnoriginalUsernameEver]

Yeah, it's super easy to rig the shows for a groups favour. Pretty sure dreamcatcher was supposed to win with piri or deja vu in the show, but then something fishy happened, and later it happened again

[@shinestarcollections1246]

How surprising that big 4 stans have an issue with a small company group like ATEEZ winning something. Work did well, and considering our KR fanbase is very small and most of the streaming is done by international fans, we worked hard for those 19 points. Also the way the digital scoring is complained has something to do with the SK market. The more they stream on SK platforms, the better the digitals. I like AESPA, but I'm happy we helped ATEEZ get their 2 trophies. To me, we show ATEEZ we appreciate their hard work and creativity. Its like a gift to them and I'm happy I helped to secure that gift.

[@___hey_jooon]

We know ateez deserves that but supernova was very popular and received greatly in korea.

[@ayanobadass949]

There is no Big 4

[@afsh9089]

you're basically admitting that work shouldn't have won

[@tsboyzzz]

I think you misunderstand the point. Because right now the important thing is whether the score system is transparent and accurate or not. Because it's clear that Supernova has gained traction on the digital charts and received widespread success .

[@shinestarcollections1246]

@@tsboyzzz I don't misunderstand anything. When big company groups win it's no questions asked, but when they don't everyone wants to doubt fans hard work. We always lack in digital points because we have very little to no help on streaming platforms. We did well in other categories which is what helped ATZ win. Y'all are so tied up with your privilege as big4 stans that you're unhappy with groups with very little reach getting a win or 2.

[@ITZ_lovelyviolet44]

I have to agree its true now i forgot about these music shows

[@ArgeliaAyala-el1op]

💯

[@ITZ_lovelyviolet44]

@@ArgeliaAyala-el1op lol true

[@BeachBabyxo]

I love KZbin, I’m from America and the music scene her is just HORRIBLE so seeing kpop shows uploading their music shows brings me joy tbh

[@madz__1010]

As an African American,I agree wit you

[@La-PetitMort]

I miss when we had shows like TRL to showcase music and artists

[@Items_I_Find_Interesting]

I agree, American music is just boring now. The “I’m so rich I …” trope is so played out.

[@JohnSmith762A11B]

Money and power corrupt: it's the oldest story. You just have to hope not too many dreams of upcoming and deserving idols get ruined by corruption.

[@ArgeliaAyala-el1op]

💯

[@maryamkourdi9656]

being a group from a big 4 company is itself a huge privilege tho. Sm or hybe stans don't have to mass stream a song on every platform possible or even voting bc the digitals will ALWAYS be high despite the song being good or no. Why? Because those big company fans will ALWAYS tune in their favorite companies' groups, no matter what the music quality is Groups from smaller companies have to work their ass off every comeback promoting their songs on every variety show they attend, and knowing that if this exact same song by this smaller company group was given to any big 4 company it would've get way more popular. Hate this genre of privilege even if it's not the groups' fault. I'm sick of seeing my idols not getting as much as love and appreciation they deserve

[@mindymins]

That only applies to bts, seventeen, and like 2 girl groups. Every once else has to work really hard to get a win on these shows. I wish kpop stans would stop lumping everyone in hybe together.

[@user-xe7is7eq1s]

​@@mindyminstrue that just because hybe is a big company doesn't mean their groups don't work for their wins just look at the other groups that are not big they don't win and people don't talk about these groups and just say all hybe groups are always winning because of payola😢

[@askara9234]

This is a load of bs. Just because a group is from big3 or hybe doesn't mean they get a free pass. For example one of the most popular ggs rn are idle and I've and last time I checked none of them are from big4. Some groups are popular and some are not. That's just how it is. The company doesn't really matter. Everyone works hard for their success.

[@blatherskite]

The problem is, too many groups but less talented. Cant even sing live.

[@spectral__]

What groups are you even talking about? The only groups I've seen that couldn't do live recently are ILLIT and Le Sserafim. Most others are at least okay, and some are fantastic. Maybe try watching other groups lmao

[@Avinashgupta744]

Kpop is very big bro​@@spectral__

[@Gamerboy-gl7di]

​@@spectral__ ILLIT is the best love ILLIT

[@user-xe7is7eq1s]

​@@spectral__umm recently riize went viral in korea for their bad encore too

[@ArgeliaAyala-el1op]

💯

[@wommywoodiestar]

Of course only when there is something is going on that is not in ateez their favor this channel talks about them. But what about the amazing big things they are doing like coachella and mawazine? Literally silence about those

[@tofutny]

Exactly!

[@chels8412]

SO TRUE

[@LoveLiveAteez]

Exactly!

[@afsh9089]

this isn't about them you missed the point of the video

[@wommywoodiestar]

@@afsh9089 I made my own point being an atiny seeing my boys always talked down on this channel.

[@giselleakgae4100]

Its a bit hyperbole. While the music shows have many flaws what is there to replace it? There's a reason a Japanese group like XG pay thousands of dollars to promote on Korean music shows despite their main market not even being Korea. Because international Kpop fans still watch these shows if not live then through clips on Twitter, Tiktok, etc. Music shows are just one of those things that make Kpop Kpop and there's really no American or international equivalent that can replace it.

[@aleysacampbell8709]

why u hating on xg go fond over your pretty untslented kpop girlies

[@meimimiyasaki]

Thousands of dollars 😂😂😂 I love people's fanfics!! They promote in korean music shows because their whole agency and production is based in South Korea and their main market IS the kpop market. Lol

[@ly_smileylass1427]

To the Native 🇯🇵 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans, XG is Promoted as a Group Which is Even More Superior than Actual K-Pop Groups, Have the Same Amount of International Popularity as Both BTS and Blackpink Along with Completely Disassociated with K-Pop. (Just to Appease Anti-Korean 🇯🇵 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans Only.) However to International Pop 🎵🎶 Fans at Overseas, XG Wants to be Promoted Like a Typical K-Pop Group in their Eyes. (By Taking Away Oppotunities Which Could Have Been Given to Actual But Lesser-Known K-Pop Acts Instead - Especially Appearance Slots in Music Shows & K-Pop Contents Nationwide Within South Korea.) Which Already Made Most Native 🇰🇷 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans Even More Furious - Especially the Fact that XG Refuses to Release at Least a Single Song Mostly/Almost Fully Consisting of Korean Lyrics Until Now. Although I Don't Hate All XG Members on Personal Basis, I Only Hate its Marketing Strategy of Promoting Like a K-Pop Copycat Group. The Higher-Ups of XG's Staff Members Should be Blamed for this Marketing Strategy itself.

[@ly_smileylass1427]

​@@meimimiyasaki International K-Pop Market Only, NOT the Domestic K-Pop Market.

[@afsh9089]

@@aleysacampbell8709 how is that hate? yall are illiterate snowflakes atp

[@slavevals]

ahh just bcs your mega ultra famous group did not win cus you thought that it was an already win game, its a scam.... yall make me nauseus

[@askara9234]

It's literally a popularity award so if this mega ultra famous group/artist did not win... What would you call it if not a scam?

[@axcc0267]

when the mega ultra famous group is snubbed numerous times and music show cancel when they're predicted to win, yeah its a scam

[@SamaraSalinasSim]

Their scoring system is so fishy but this happens since 2nd gen only now is more obvious. Some groups were shadow banned by KBS at that time and they couldn't promote on certain channels and obviously they couldn't win any prizes even if they were the most popular group that week. Kpop Industry is so shady and it's hard to be known internationally and worldwide if your company doesn't have connections.

[@Wonwon_hee]

Seriously, these music shows need to learn how to be fair, our precious idols are not overworking themselves this hard just to have there scores get manipulated by these jerks.

[@z00merang18]

It's just that the everything has to be so polished and perfect now. Same with the dance practice videos just turning into performance videos.

[@WhippedForJungkookie]

The way the korean music shows operate is questionable, idols fair better on International shows which are more relevant and credible as they aim to break that market

[@giselleakgae4100]

there are no international shows, just morning or late night shows in America

[@debbiel.wilk1824]

Fare .

[@berkeilbars6379]

My trust in these sh*tshows will never ever recover since Dreamcatcher - Deja Vu incident!

[@Kira-nn7me]

I agree that one of the reasons of music shows downfall is the chart manipulation, but it's not new, in my opinion the main reason of the low rating in these shows is because kpop companies are targeting the US market, then they put all their efforts and money in promote their groups on western shows rather than korean music shows that don't have much influence outside korea.

[@madz__1010]

Atp There are only like 3-5 4th gen groups that actually stand out 😭 the music shows practically rigged everything just for their own benifit,not the fans.That’s why there has been so many music show scandals and controversy’s these days.

[@xmajesticfaithx5587]

kpop shows has pretty much always been scoring manipulation from people in charge of the shows due to riggings and favors

[@kaipanthress7674]

Here’s an idea- stop making it a competition. Music shows should just be about showcasing a comeback and leave the winning/losing to award shows.

[@jasminirauch4322]

i watch only for the performance, not some silly school like score

[@rvbyluvs]

The problems are these money hungry companies that will do anything for money. They don’t actually care about the group, they just care how much money they can make. Also, there is a huge problem with scandals lately, they can be as ridiculous as dating. Haters find the dumbest reason to hate and that creates a negative environment in the whole industry.

[@cvetelinmilkov3630]

Dreamcatcher love 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Shikiouji]

seriously..im still sore to this day for that hot garbage that The Show pulled off..

[@Double__AM99]

Music shows are dipping and so are award shows

[@catherinethecatlike]

I miss the 2nd and 3rd gen performances. Everything was more fun and engaging. The encores were also about the groups just having fun, celebrating their win, engaging with the audience, etc. and they didn’t just stand awkwardly while trying to sing. Music shows have gone downhill a lot and it’s a shame

[@MsShebbieE]

These shows used to be so much fun, but after a while I started to notice something wasn't right either. I stopped watching when I realized that it was a LOCK for certain Groups (and it's members) to win. This was to the point where they either didn't perform any more or just did not show up to collect at all

[@colettemr]

4:28 in the US we call that Payola. It is really frowned upon although they use this method to claim that no monies are being exchanged.

[@darkstorm08]

Mannn....musicshows made the fun of this genre to literal and all about funds outside of the voting scandals, eoty shows aren't what they used to be or nothing ...what's left is the love for the music itself for me. Nothing NOTHING IS THE SAME ANYMORE everything has been touched by foul hands and it shows

[@stephanieallangarman5598]

To share my opinion on this…there are some extremely talented artists that are not popular. I mean they can actually sing well live but do not have the fan numbers. The main focus now has been visuals rather than talent. So, it seems believable that whoever can BE bribed MORE significantly gets the WIN.

[@Andrew-ice]

music shows are scammed and digital scores are scammed too😭😭🏆 Everglow Zombie deserves to win 💛🏆😭

[@retakhan9147]

I am only standing K-pop because of BTS and black pink believe me ... I can't with all the shit going on these days I don't want to criticise any group here but 5 th gen has disappointed me the most especially hybe girl groups . The unceccearry drama and min heejin controversy. Sm bullying exo and yg mistreatment. On the top of that people are saying that BTS had bought awards with money like what the hell. Black pink Jennie being rumoured unnecessary hate to her .. also new K-pop stans have started shipping her with Kai too. KBS and other awards shows taking American groups calling only selective groups for performance, increased prices of albums and photo books concert tickets all this is too much .... Believe me kpop is becoming hollow now less talent more visual .

[@mhendrocahyono]

That's why YG artists rarely go to music shows. More expenses for artists to go there.

[@user-bq7lf7hn8g]

i feel like if someone makes a music show who is not gonna do none of this thins it will be pretty popular

[@Justin-ur6sj]

Something like NPOP?

[@tsboyzzz]

Music shows rigging is not just one or two cases but right now it’s become more often thanks the fans that point it out

[@minaawa]

Not every group is promoted well by company, given ads for youtube mv to be recommended or given chance to perform. The win and score system is terrible since ages. But artist love to perform be any stage and many to discover them. These days even some music show views are bought. But if the artist and their fan like to see stages, especially who see it live in korea no issues. The fans of artist who really good at stage be it dance or live singing won't really complain. Big festival or small stages its all fun. 4th 5th gen fans just rely on tiktok challenge , viralism (even that is bought with playlisting) and it gets boring if their fav don't have interaction challenge with the other group or do viral challenge😅

[@CARL_093]

Kpop from were i started late 2008 till now very different bec kpop then was very popular every fan had there own like elfs etc today well its complicated to explaine

[@KRapPsychic]

Any music competition in Korea of any kind has producer driven random scoring criteria, that all have room for manipulation and corruption for money or power, and reflects little on actual data or fan interest. It,s all back room deals. Yet the K-pop public still puts emphasis on Wins and All kills, etc. It’s a mess.

[@BillyWhaler]

When AOA got robbed in queendom it seemed sus. Egotistic momentum earned more than second to last place. Something was off. 🧐

[@heartforall5853]

Queendom was full of good groups. If the competition is high, it is difficult to win even if they were also good.

[@mandylin3783]

ateez ate with work

[@urhypeboy]

Who?

[@Aparna_dubey813]

Who ateez

[@J4keobs33ed]

ATEEZ IS A BOY GROUP THE GROUP THAT WAS WITH AESPA ON THE SCREEN THINGY

[@spectral__]

@@Aparna_dubey813 Only the first boy group to play Coachella. I don't know if you're legitimately completely ignorant or just rude from having no friends. Edit: My comment doesn't seem to be showing up, so I guess I'm editing this. Epik High is NOT a "boy group." They're not idols. They don't call themselves idols. They don't want to be called idols. They're producing music and telling stories with lyrics. They don't do choreography. They recently made a light stick as a joke. I shouldn't even need to be telling you this, but you're too ignorant.

[@Aparna_dubey813]

@@spectral__ you forgot epik high girl go and have some knowledge

[@marklawrenceanzale1110]

That's why I understand why JYP don't compete for awards these days, but thanks to the fans some groups can still win. I admire the company for engaging their groups to concerts so that their popularity can still be maintained. Those music shows were already rigged since long time ago but its just starting to get exposed because there are increase in online fandom that also investigate these suspicious doings.

[@nitinpatel1039]

Look whenever any group make comeback they normally win at least couple such trophy, it tc show so what u expect they have to give candies to all kids,

[@Ofra8191-]

only the bigger groups. we have groups that have been around for years and have yet to get a first win, let alone a win with every comeback.

[@spectral__]

That's a delusional statement. Most groups don't ever win. You must not follow very many. Most of the groups I follow that even did win once, it took several years. Only if you're talking about big 3 groups + HYBE groups is that true. For everyone else who doesn't already have a fanbase on debut, it's not like that. Wake up.

[@nitinpatel1039]

@@spectral__ which 4th generation girl group has most win, guess - it is gidle and ive and they don't belong to nay of these company

[@spectral__]

​@@nitinpatel1039 While Starship and Cube are not big 3, they are right below them with long histories and a lot of weight in the industry. They have historically had many extremely popular groups. Compared to KQ, which ATEEZ was literally their first idol group. There are sooooo many small companies you've never heard of with only a few groups. They don't win anything, and they're lucky to even be able to pay to get onto these shows. Get a grip.

[@afsh9089]

@@spectral__ cube isn't big 3? wtf?

[@Snigdha0510]

This has had to be 😢

[@gyrthez246]

I'm not a fan of either, but I think netizens forget that ATEEZ is marketed significantly better (and quite a bit more these days) than Aespa. KQ only has a few idols to take care of whereas SM has many idols (see the whole of NCT for minor example) and a lot of legal troubles. Therefore KQ can prioritize the promotion of certain idols much better than SM can. Does anybody else here get recommended Kpop content? I do. I literally cannot escape shorts with ATEEZ's Work in the background. Whereas I literally had no idea Aespa even had a new song. I've seen ATEEZ collaborating with just about everyone physically possible to promote their song, do Aespa even do that outside of other SM artists..? I've never seen them collab like that. I don't even like Work to be honest with you. I saw it pop up, figured I'd give it a try and immediately said "Where the hell did their concept go?" Lol.. The stage outfits I saw on shorts were.. Questionable at best. It was a miss for me. But I'm willing to bet you that the short collaboration spamming they've done to try to promote it is why they outranked Aespa. Once you've listened to that song or you've left a KZbin short replaying for a minute or two you're sucked into the loop of coming across shorts with Work as the background song. Props to their marketing team, I guess? It's kind of annoying though to be honest. Glad they're doing well for themselves though.

[@J4keobs33ed]

Agree with you

[@zels2816]

I have the opposite. Never heard of ateez but only aespa. Which means your argument is flawed.

[@LadyTiferet]

​@@zels2816 quite the opposite, it shows that Ateez have their own, big part of the market share even if it doesn't overlap with the other group much

[@LoveLiveAteez]

​@zels2816 just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they aren't of.

[@axcc0267]

you're argument is heavily focused around you only. aespa are doing significantly better than ateez both internationally and domestically. super nova quite literal peaked in the top 20 of billboard global, top 50 of spotfiy global and received almost 300 paks

[@nathanielAdam5824]

@Sharma85 like i always said when you're trying to grow into something new, like uhhh does a Mango tree grow loose it's leaves and grow pine leaves NO, people love it when they feel understood rather than then understanding you

[@mjpak2287]

Agreed 😢

[@tanisha_dreams247]

Also, they had kpop artists there too early in the morning and expected them to sing and dance around, and they only sleep like 2 to 4 hours a night! It's toxic all around.

[@joenathanz7474]

What's the meaning titled LIVE when big groups did prerecorded stage? I'm so tired with gen4 up music show

[@arielrojas8410]

Yup, they want to make sure Nugu groups are prohibited to get a spotlight and win and major agencies only buy their wins to show off their terrible talents

[@afsh9089]

get off your high horse your favs would've sold a kidney to debut with those "terrible talents"

[@KISSY_ALWAYS]

I don't care too much for music scores , I just watch my favorite group's stages and buy their album. I also hope and pray they come to my city so I can say that I've seen all my favs live at least once in my life

[@deukaeon]

3:52 Deja Vu 😞

[@Grace-mi5fs]

YG decision not to promote a lot his groups in music shows is right.

[@wongxuxi]

everything on kpop started to go downhill after 2017. i’ve been a kpop stan since 2010 so it’s been like 14 years now, and the best area of kpop was 2010-2014, not because i’ve been a stan since then, but because we had actual singers with great music and no other big deal. things started to change after 2015 cuz that’s when kpop got recognized internationally and looking at today’s kpop, you all know what happened after that 🤷🏻

[@user-dz4wl7ew4k]

We still need them. Get better photos that way. & Film. Music Festivals & Concerts are fun too, but also too compartmentalized. I'm Subbed to all the Fancam Channels so I never miss anything.

[@travioliraviolicanoli]

I also believe the kpop craze definitely dwindled down after 3rd gen, you can constantly see a decline in views in sales in overall groups. Instead of a kpop obsession, it just became a generalized standard of music

[@di2071]

oh ateez are getting rigging allegations. 🎉 weve made it 🎉

[@kendalledwards6898]

RIIZE recently took home their 4th win at Show Champion for their song Boom Boom Bass this week.

[@user-xe7is7eq1s]

And bad vocals😅😅😅😂

[@ayanobadass949]

​@@user-xe7is7eq1s😂

[@afsh9089]

@@user-xe7is7eq1s you gonna keep commenting that you loser? they had 3 amazing encores since that 10 second clip you seem to love

[@hafizjafrin6779]

​@@user-xe7is7eq1s you thought

[@fierriefiles]

The very problem of kpop is the song releases. No one will admit but it's not making any sense anymore. Kpop songs sucks. Not the same anymore. The highest complement is *"it's catchy".* The only thing that makes it to the billboard is the fans effort.

[@urhypeboy]

Does this channel ever upload something positive? I feel like all this channel does is taking advantage of kpop controversies for views and make negative gossipy videos... Flop

[@vuvieons]

U say this but then u hate on tripleS in kookielits video. arent u soo embarrasing?

[@vuvieons]

U complain when this channel uploads videos like that but when other people hate u tell them to cry? ure such a hypocrete

[@cameo403]

@urhypeboy. You are complaining that it lacks positivity, yet all of your comments are negative on every video. Why are you here, why continue to come if you don’t like it😅 flop

[@LoveLiveAteez]

Okay so lets talk about mawazine and coachella thank you 👍

[@kyokugo6460]

I like how It's done in other countries, No wins. Like arirangs simply KPOP. Allows fairness

[@reylandvilla6646]

They should put out live, no auto tuned and no backing vocal tracks…

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

They are so many other ways now It good they got no power now

[@sunilwahurwagh8561]

Missing those times when kpop was everything 😭

[@josephhuang1163]

Another upload. Another day spent binge watching KZbin.

[@EikshaBisht]

Not interested in K pop anymore but K dramas are definitely winning and gaining traction !!!

[@castler7272]

I don't have a problem with the Broadcast Score since that represents the group's Company's negotiating strength. However, sales manipulation should be made illegal.

[@Ashteroth]

I watch music shows just because a UNIS member is an MC.

[@johncarlolucas9981]

Nana

[@marcellawong229]

Who wants to see Narazo perform SHOWER for the millionth time on Music Bank ??? or see an old Korean woman sing her hit Trot song on Inkigayo ??? Plus the proportion of Boy Bands to Girl Bands is like 6 to 1 on these shows.

[@NobleSaintDGreat]

REUPLOAD?...

[@josephhuang1163]

Yeah but even the video said why would anyone literally watch it live if I can watch the bloody thing on KZbin? Everything is on KZbin now. Why would anyone not use KZbin? KZbin is amazing.

[@Valkyrae2__]

I forgot about the music shows

[@haroldk724]

All those music show, or Contest show and like Talent shows;''>>>>.............................All Rigged

[@brrrrambo3983]

music shows got exposed they they rigging some results

[@niniwini2000]

I don't care much I still look forward to new music stages when my fav group makes a comeback.I vote if they win I become happy😊even though they are from big3 they don't win much so every win is special.

[@josephhuang1163]

Aren’t all these kpop music shows all rigged? I’ve always assumed this.

[@pico2260]

K-pop music shows are corrupted? It's a business! What else can you expect?

[@Yoyo993.]

I only liked kpop until shinee , exo , girls generation, super junior were in limelight . Nowadays every korean on youtube is calling themselves kpop idol . So it's has become confusing as to what's idol in korea right now

[@bangtanmoosahu]

Music shows used to be fun and had their own charm but know it’s just all about perfection,visuals and good choreography the encores used to be fun too but if someone tries to do something fun people will hate that group/individual. The big companies also plays a role in it the smaller groups never get chance to shine and they are just at the back while the groups from big companies are in front. Heck they even get better camera work. I think kpop is trying to be more westernized which really takes the fun out from the actual kpop.

[@babyimmamonsterbabymon]

How voiceless ILLIT won multiple times over BABYMONSTER and dull IU ballade won over huge banger Super Lady It drives me angry

[@clarens4803]

more respect for Simon and the XGALX team for doing everything since day 1 . it makes sense now why they do interview

[@brrrrambo3983]

now i get yg😂 even bp lol

[@AsianPopStop]

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about this aspect of music shows? I watch them to see performances.

[@cattosakamotto]

Its bound to fail since the new standard is based on "charts, streams & sales" when these 3 can easily be manipulated. Its not about the quality of the music anymore, I mean just look at the groups who are currently taking the win. The lyrics are atrocious & is meant to be easy sounding for tiktok. If y'all truly want these music shows to be more fair then I can reassure you that not even ive, idle, aespa, nct, straykids & newjeans would win. Tap in real musicians & not any of these "popular groups" would win for their music, its gonna be mostly bands & indie soloists🤷🏾‍♀️ actual musicians don't praise the beat nor the lyrics, they take in the WHOLE process of making the song so best believe these top groups would only get shit on once an actual musician reviews it. Some songs might get a pass but mostly, their pop songs would be shitted on.

[@user-dz4wl7ew4k]

I mean, ya can get rid of all the Shows & just produce & release Dance Performance Videos.

[@Jet.Single]

Who remember when dreamcatcher got robbed

[@PenyukaKueKeju]

People just want to enjoy the music. NOT CLICKING FOR 100 TIMES A DAY FOR STREAMING MV.

[@LoveLiveAteez]

You can still do that, if you love the music then it shouldn't be a problem . ..

[@SBBunny93]

Never understood WHY it was so important to have a "music show win". Girl, I dont need an award to tell me im the ISH lol. Or to validate my artistry, because many good acts have came through KPOP without a single win. Its just another way to say "we are more popular than you/sell more than you" which to me isn't very, Artist of you do to. And if you are a true artist, sales dont matter, but the reach/connection your music is able to have/make. Music shows to me take out the oppurtunity to try something new and branch out, beause so much importance is placed on winning an award that ultimately in the grand scheme of things only holds weight in S. Korea. At this point in time they just dont hold the same value they once did, some groups/acts make it seem like a participation award with how easy it is for them to obtain one. Again the award is not important, the showcasing of talent on a show that is broadcasted to the entire country/world is to me, a reason or more as so why these shows are still going strong. We tune into these shows to watch our favorites perform. Ship started down hill once they took the live asepct, of a live performance. But I also get the "credit" an award like this could give and boost your sales. Ultimately fans just have to stop placing so much weight on mundane things. Its like watching an award assembly at your school seeing the honor roll get awards lol.

[@1B9r6o1Wn]

Can you type that in again in all capitals? Real artists grow out of all this stuff and just want to hone their craft! You are very clever!

[@Kpopworld152]

Xg never get what they deserve

[@urhypeboy]

As it should

[@jacers14]

Why isn't Mnet part of the list?

[@Angel-xq9yz]

they need the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher , they will Return soon

[@user-dz4wl7ew4k]

Da Fudge? 🤔🤔 where else ya gonna find KPop Acts to perform Live? In a controlled studio I mean.

[@priscillaferguson267]

Kpop is overly saturated and repetitive. Not only has it become sexualized but it’s difficult to distinguish one group from another. It has gotten very mundane.

[@gial5338]

The sexy concept was from the 1srt and 2nd gen, the "sexualization" seen now is nothing compare to before, when minors had to dress like cabaret girls and dance provocatively in front of many man. And let's not forget the shows in front of militars. Nothing of that exist now, sexualization was worst before than now, and in those time all the responsability was put on the girls, not the company.

[@GenF91]

I’ve never cared for the music shows anyway.

[@sap20lj]

Finally! Someone explained the downfall of music shows due to manipulation!😏

[@NobleSaintDGreat]

KQ or SM which is more capable?...

[@LadyTiferet]

Capable of being shady? That's an easy one lol

[@mahabubajannathashi1199]

I am only listening to kpop because of BTS, Blackpink, NewJeans and StrayKids atp

[@huongvu1685]

I don't like music shows much, only music is enough