The Tragic END Of K-Pop (it's only gonna get worse)

[@ImperialCityNord]

They hang out in Paris more than Seoul these days.

[@ak99414]

😂💯💯💯

[@Amal_Khan_5986]

Fr Paris and US

[@TaylorLeeKnow]

😂😂

[@mysteriogaming478]

So true

[@isha356]

I think nowdays the companies even leave a space for fashion week date so that the idols can attend the event

[@theyluvlitaa]

kpop isn’t really about releasing music anymore it’s really about ambassadorship and modeling..

[@rachmatmulia5212]

Don't forget they adore visuals. LoL

[@SamEricLlort]

@@rachmatmulia5212funnily enough Newjeans and Illit don’t have any visuals. All of them look botched and bad. Lesserafim and Wonyoung I see is just visuals and no talent.

[@jordicarvajal2834]

It's not about the music anymore, it's mostly about the money for companies as they put more focus on the western markets where they are making way more there than in Japan or Southeast Asia

[@emilyann4504]

Ngl too many kpop idols becoming luxury fashion ambassador kinda making the brands look cheap. These fashion houses has their signature style and aesthethic and most often these kpop idols dont fit them thus making the brand's identity lost

[@rachmatmulia5212]

@@emilyann4504 Idols collaborate with certain brands to increase profits and benefit each other, idols have massive loyal fanbases and use their popularity to help sell the brand and idols also get paid from the brand, it's a good deal, as I often say, Kpop idols today are more commercial.

[@ak99414]

Kpop is losing it's touch. Its all money money and no real talent and passion.

[@DianaOsazenaye]

true

[@angelvisurraga963]

I mean after all its just business for SM, JYP, YG and HYBE, they been doing it for the last years. Where is the surprise?

[@jessi5288]

@@angelvisurraga963I really hate to inform you but it’s like that for everyone. Especially smaller companies.

[@jessi5288]

Tbh it’s kind of the fans fault. Fans will stan a group of untalented kids and never demand better. You get what you pay for.

[@angelvisurraga963]

​@@jessi5288 Yeah, but I want to say why is everyone surprised when it is something typical for a company?

[@lie-t992]

Vocals and paid views are the things make me distance from Kpop

[@lovelydiva06]

For me vocals is one of those things I can forgive if you can give a great performance cause singing and dancing isn’t always easy no matter how much you train to do it and a only a select few can do it flawlessly but the paid views or streaming stuff I really don’t like nor pertake in cause it’s not organic, people are purposely having songs/videos on repeat to drive up the numbers and in the end what does it prove since it’s not organic, to me it proves nothing except a bunch of fans nonstop repeated the song for essentially bragging rights smh

[@obriendenis3965]

The thing is alot of people call "paid views" as inorganic. I find that not true at all. You need 30 seconds for it to count as 1 view. It's different from mass streaming just to boost a song up a chart. Now that's what people should call it as "inorganic". I'm not a numbers expert but someone on reddit break it down much better than me why watching ads is more of an organic way than mass streaming.

[@moon_kissed1]

Paid views literally making it boring and pointless

[@JM_Mk]

​@@obriendenis3965 It's still paid tho

[@manale9366]

Tbh I don’t need ariana grande singers. Most groups I followe can sing good. Seeing them perform/ dance and having fun songs is good for me

[@sankhalirout6564]

NGL The bar went really down

[@Abyss777]

depends on what context... when it comes singing live, maybe. otherwise, i believe not..

[@d4ze_22]

@@Abyss777right I feel like ppl r overreacting, kpop has always been like this. Singing live yes, but that’s not just in kpop it’s happening internationally bc of technology. And ppl got mad that dancing wasn’t a priority back in older gens and more vocals, now there is mainly dance and less live vocals but us kpop Stan’s asked for it. Most of this stuff is our fault

[@maneater3491]

​@@d4ze_22 Yeah the owner of this channel like to create hate towards record label for agenda maybe 🤔🤔 personal Interest because their beliefs doesn't go as one, also spoiled too

[@Abyss777]

@@d4ze_22 yessssss In gen 3, people had different complains, in gen 4, there were diff n now gen 5 Companies r just doing whatever captures our attention... So yeah, completely agree, it's literally our own fault!

[@pavitrarajendrakumar5996]

The bar was never high though even in the beginning.

[@sonimolglaison1554]

Can't lie the only time I really liked kpop was when 3rd gen was here there was more collabs, less scandals and everyone could interact. Now it all abt the money 😭

[@danielamunozl]

Right, they used to enjoy the music shows too, now they just sit there like robots

[@manale9366]

@@danielamunozli have seen reactions from 3 gen, not all were party. would you call them robots as well? Sadly fans have made idols nowadays act chiller, but some 4 gen award reactions have idols make party also.sometimes you just want to stay still, Doenst make them robotic.

[@danielamunozl]

@@manale9366 They seem like robots TO ME cause of the extreme lack of reactions during the whole show, it ain't that deep. It's my opinion

[@himaririku9254]

STRAY KIDS IS THE KING OF KPOP.

[@xjeons1348]

I was also 3rd gen fan I loved kpop in 2015-2019. However you forgot easily when its comes to nostalgia. Everyday I went on twitter exols and armies where fighting like its was WW 3 😭

[@jw-729]

When most of the members are too busy to be models than to release music, they should just be called models that sing instead of singers that model.

[@I-Am-Alexis]

Great point

[@sun3at3r50]

I miss when idols went on variety shows (not on their own channels), it really showed their individual personalities and group dynamic - and it made fans happy! I miss the 2x dance challenges, whisper games, and just the idols answering silly questions. It’s unfortunate we don’t see it nearly as often 😢

[@TaylorLeeKnow]

Yes exactly the games made their real personality comes out and that made us love them more.

[@akbarwali]

Hear hear

[@angelvisurraga963]

In some shows like "Idol Room" they are a direct mockery of the idols, it's enough to remind me of how they treated Changbin to understand why they didn't come back until they changed the hosts.

[@KTzu213]

Your Kpop idols don't really earn money doing variety shows. They get paid less than most people do who work at a minimum wage job.

[@SamEricLlort]

I miss real vocalists like Taeyeon and Chen debuting in groups. These days almost everyone sound like karaoke singers.

[@Kuromichi08]

Music in general has gone down hill.. even in the US. Music has no meaning anymore, and people just want catchy 2 minute songs with no bridge and no meaning.. just a catchy chorus. Music now a days is like fast fashion. Just quick throw away songs that will replace with the next artist with the catchier song

[@warren_r]

You know it's a funny thing, my grandparents (born in the 1930s) used to say the same thing about music in the 1960s... Beatles and Beach Boys, the songs are too short, they're simple and meaningless "I love you, yeah yeah yeah".... they hated it. They wanted jazz, they wanted big band, they wanted proper musicians, not Ringo Starr. Then shorter songs fell out of fashion in the 1970s... then they were back in the 1980s.... then they were out of fashion again in the 1990s. It's all cyclical. What I'm saying is.... just give it a while. K-pop will continue to evolve and change.

[@manale9366]

Because catchy songs are more popular. Music is subjective, so saying it has gotten downhill is always a little 😮 for me 😊

[@Jean-yf8fl]

Music for me ended after 1990. Almost 90% of American music after that SUCKS including Taylor not so Swift.

[@ArgeliaAyala-el1op]

💯, k-pop or pop, it's tbe same

[@villovarga5781]

thats why i appreciate billie for example. that girl puts her soul into 5-6 minutes long songs and they are meaningful

[@alines.3649]

There is no more music in to k pop, it’s just models dancing to the people forget their problems and idolize them and create fights in internet!

[@manale9366]

I don’t know what you watch. But I love the new kpop music. And don’t act like many kpop Idols aren’t talented singers as well

[@milkflavored]

@@manale9366 Who are the talented singers of fifth gen?

[@d4ze_22]

@@milkflavoredBelle, rami, Rora, dahyun for gg

[@d4ze_22]

@@manale9366I feel like so many ppl r discrediting kpop groups now. I feel like fans r the issue

[@DUNGSTA]

Bruh the 4th gen is🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@nupurpria3602]

Kpop isn’t kpoping anymore like it used to kpop

[@manale9366]

Eh ok?

[@nupurpria3602]

@@manale9366 confused you lol 😂

[@Itz_Kate1467]

Yes it is u just haven’t been listening to the right groups 😭

[@Dinsung3]

​@@Itz_Kate1467 examples?

[@elpink5424]

@@Itz_Kate1467 No it most definitely is not

[@MsGdlove]

Anybody who calls SHINee flops is so disrespectful!! They are your idol's idols

[@himaririku9254]

STRAY KIDS IS THE KING OF KPOP,..

[@deepikamol7274]

​@@himaririku9254OMG!!!! Stop I'm a Stay myself and I see this bot Even in every Stray Kids videos.....this is so unnecessary Stop fanwars....

[@ImTheSuccessfulQueen]

​@@himaririku9254😂

[@ImTheSuccessfulQueen]

🖤😘GIRL I HATE JONGHYUN🖤😘

[@NicaGyeEgamao]

@@ImTheSuccessfulQueen ermm sigma kid what r u doing here?

[@yalifam]

Kpop is different since 2016-17

[@parkmarkerr_hua]

Fr

[@Yes_1998]

yesss

[@asre-bg4bs]

True, because at that time, EXO, BTS, Got7, Seventeen, Twice, and Blackpink each had their own style. When I played a song, I would know who it was for in the first three seconds, but now the music is similar.

[@parkmarkerr_hua]

@@asre-bg4bsYeah Everyone has the same style tbh😭

[@yalifam]

@@asre-bg4bs exactly. The overall Kpop "culture" has changed in way I can barely recognize it and it's sad. I really miss these years when every group had this uniqueness when we fans don't gave a fuck about Louis Vuitton, Paris Fashion week...

[@deukaeon]

it's only gonna get even worse for groups from small companies.

[@ly_smileylass1427]

Especially Having a Number of their Supposed Appearances on K-Pop Related Contents & Music Shows Being Already Stolen by an All-Japanese, 🇬🇧-Singing Global 👧 Group named XG as of the Present Era.

[@himaririku9254]

STRAY KIDS IS THE KING OF KPOP---

[@ImTheSuccessfulQueen]

​@@himaririku9254🖤😘DUDE I DON'T FCKING CARE🖤😘

[@vssugakookie2398]

As a 2nd gen stan....kpop isn't fun anymore!

[@AGULL]

I miss the shows

[@MCFCJake]

True it's like watching robots now.

[@xdcomedyandnostalgicvideos]

I'm a 3rd Gen Stan and as a blink I completely agree.

[@manale9366]

@@MCFCJakeidk what idols you watch, but I have never seen idols who act like robots

[@manale9366]

Typical old saying. My grandma would say the same about the world

[@Tomomo3011]

I think 1 more factor is that the music tends to be "Westernized" for Western validation. If you listen to nowaday tracks then you listen to gen 2 music, you'll see the point.

[@manale9366]

Maybe I’m more the western type then. I like music now more than 1-3 gen

[@mayrobinson2912]

Kpop Music has always been westernized . stop being delusional.

[@lisasnowy]

Yup. Cant even listen to bts anymore. I remember when rm replied to a host asking if they were gonna bring out any english songs and he replied "we're korean, we make korean songs". Well look at them now. Still love them as people but they became sellouts of their own music

[@Tomomo3011]

@@mayrobinson2912 I agree that most of the songs were all written by foreigners, my point is the way they used and took ref was different. It still had korea vibe to it. Check BIG BANG, SNSD, ft island old songs, Orange Caramel, T-ara, 2NE1, listen their oldest works and compare to nowaday songs. I'm talking about 2014 era back to about 2008

[@dandan-mn5vp]

@@Tomomo3011 The old K-pop is much more westernized than now. Korean music is Trot, and traditional Korean music There was nothing Korean in the old kpop. .The old groups used autotune, as in American songs, and autotune was invented in the USA. The rap that the idols read was also invented in the USA. R&B,House, pop music, and rock were also invented in the USA. If it wasn't for America, there would be no K-pop music. Modern K-pop is much better. The vocals and dancing are better, and the music videos are better and more interesting. Stray kids, Ateez, their music is very experimental. In the U.S. Nobody does that kind of music. And they always sing without phonograms or lip sync. By the way, Ateez has a main vocalist Jongho, who is one of the best vocalists in Korea. The old K-pop is monotonous and boring. The old K-pop is monotonous and boring. And there are a lot of cliches, not in modern but old K-pop. If you don't understand this, then you are an idiot. The lyrics are only about love, and the lyrics were written for them by other people. I believe that songs should have meaning. They should help in bad times. For example, Stray kids write songs by themselves. They write songs about believing in yourself, about parents, about not being sad, and not paying attention to the words that make you sad. (G) I-DLE writes songs about prejudice, stereotypes, and people's stupidity. BTS songs make sense too. If you have bad times, you can read the translations of the songs, and you will feel better. Their songs help me in bad times.Old K-pop is just nostalgia and nothing more. Don't dwell on the past. I just don't like people who say it was better in the past. Stop slandering modern groups, and don't be stupid idiots.

[@anseatery]

I think the two main factors are: 1. Lack of vocals (the main product is music after all) 2. Lack of variety shows where idols interact, like in the olden days (like Star Golden Bell, Idol Army)

[@himaririku9254]

STRAY KIDS IS THE KING OF KPOP---

[@Riu-bw4bl]

@@himaririku9254stop. Your annoying and making stray kids look bad.

[@oliviali3544]

Please check out Aespa, they sing really good in live (like actual singing), and they still do alot of variety shows, a very recent one is Aesparty, but there are more I just don't remember all the other show names🥺Please check them out :((

[@thewaytheworldisrn7788]

​@himaririku9254 As a STAY you are being embarrassing to our Fandom and Stray Kids. What do you get out of saying that under multiple comments?. It's annoying and unnecessary. Kindly F off

[@davidgreen5994]

@@oliviali3544 Jesus Christ you peoples are like bots. Peoples can't have discussion about anything without you coming to promote your groups. And why the hell are you acting like Aespa is some small underground group that needs peoples checking them out? Who in the world that is ever familiar with Kpop doesn't know of Aespa? Who are to check next? Beyoncé?

[@blink5376]

Am i the one who already lose interest in kpop....

[@rachmatmulia5212]

You are not alone pal

[@AGULL]

Same, i stopped at gen 3. Never liked the hype

[@BELIEVER78989]

Same don't care about kpop except for BTS🤷‍♀️

[@MCFCJake]

True my playlists used to be filled of kpop songs now there are hardly 5-6..... Maybe that could even be because I have dwelled more into rap but yeah kpop isn't same for me anymore

[@crystalsnow1138]

@@BELIEVER78989 Same.

[@katuduxo]

Reason of kpop's downfall :- Trash music, debuting talentless idols who cant sing,rap,dance, paid media, company who overhype everything, low standard & zombies fans.

[@ArgeliaAyala-el1op]

💯

[@manale9366]

Music is subjective. I rather listen to music nowadays then to the old ones.Many people would call kpop music in generell trash (and yes also you guys beloved 1-3 gen music) talentless idols exist, but they also have in 1-3 gen. 4 gen has many talented idols. So please shut up

[@katuduxo]

@@manale9366 Music is not subjective, its either good or bad & i give my opinion so you have no right to tell anyone to shutup.

[@himaririku9254]

STRAY KIDS IS THE KING OF KPOP-

[@againstanti-korea4.0]

​@@katuduxo Whatever, kid.

[@Xile179]

I miss when the kpop community wasnt filled with stan twitter users 😢

[@wxywawjy626]

Underrated comment!

[@unojd2936]

And channeIs Iike this to fan the fIames with bias

[@xjeons1348]

It always has been if you dont remember

[@Riu-bw4bl]

Twitter seems to ruin almost all fandoms

[@ywsx6489]

Don't hate the players. Hate the game. toxic social media generation with short attention span is the root of the problem.

[@wattswo]

Why not both? 🤷

[@Riu-bw4bl]

It’s definitely more than that but thats part of the problem. (Industry and what it focuses on is probably the biggest and then the chronically online kids wanting to argue about everything)

[@ivckrxs118]

K-pop honestly started to go downhill after 2019 tbh

[@lussray2744]

a lot of fans are bashing idosl companies for toxic enviroment, but they don’t know that they are pushing them into toxic enviroment too

[@airinavasquez4164]

Honestly I don't know why idols need to do vulgar dances, wearing revealing clothes and male idols always take off their shirt to show their abs. I noticed their fans now only excited to see their idols bodies, they no longer care about idols performance. When Idols outside Korea, they acting really wild, but when they back to korea, they back to their normal self.

[@rachmatmulia5212]

@@airinavasquez4164 Welcome to Kpop world my friend. LoL

[@airinavasquez4164]

@@rachmatmulia5212 , whatever you say. LOL

[@sensoine]

It’s really what companies allow, they should not give that much power

[@himaririku9254]

STRAY KIDS IS THE KING OF KPOP-

[@mangarda]

Kpop was never really about art. The priority of K-pop was always getting images of beautiful Koreans out there to be admired, so that S. Korea can position itself as the cultural center of all of Asia. That's why the industry is regulated by their government...it's a political tool.

[@stolas2240]

i dont think any entertainment industry is about art, its about soft power and money, but art can be found in said industries

[@justwhypeeangel]

​@@stolas2240 it's totally true but it can work for k-pop but not every industry

[@stolas2240]

@@justwhypeeangel name me an industry it doesnt work for

[@justwhypeeangel]

@@stolas2240 non mainstream music, movie ?

[@justwhypeeangel]

@@stolas2240 you are right here but what I am trying to tell you is that everybody starts passionate for art but if it appealed people for different reasons like their , fashion ,looks something other than what their main motto is they definitely try to do it over and over to get that soft power you talked about especially when they are under a record lable or any major company who's motto is only commercial,but still theri are some artist who do it for the art it is like kendrick Lamar , jvak or you could say any indie artist who are not under the influence of any lable. All i wanna confess there are artists who care about art, you just need to go down non mainstream

[@starsnoireart]

So basically kpop stars are becoming influencers that dance and sing (optional), and not artists / musicians?

[@dotdot505]

There's nothing new in kpop anymore, its the same thing over and over.

[@not_in_the_mood]

kpop definitely isn’t like it used to be and there are a lot of factors that contribute to it: 1) companies care more about brand deals than releasing good quality music 2) idols have been conditioned to becoming emotionless robots in fear of being mass hated on for the tiniest mistake 3) the stan’s and fanbases have reached a whole new level of toxic and only gets along anymore even within their own fandom 4) kmedia is messy asf and only wants to cover news on all the bad or problematic things that happen within the industry 5) stan’s creating a safe space for saesangs and stalkers to post private info on idols just to they can use it as a “gotcha” moment in their petty little fanwars 6) there’s not much to be excited about since apparently kpop stans nowadays hate fun if i wasn’t still tuned in for the few groups that actually care about making good music, kpop would have been a thing in the past for me a long time ago.

[@Sugas_Girr]

💯💯💯

[@mazdarxvin1]

BIG Facts

[@milkflavored]

The accuracy is unmatched

[@Getout634]

I don’t understand fanwars. Maybe because I’m not heavily into kpop and wouldn’t say I’m in any particular fandom, but it just seems so silly? Seriously what is the point.

[@EUexpatinVietnam]

All k pop sound same. No real creativity

[@mbrow]

K-Pop is reaching a point of unsustainability. The genre has gone from artistic and talented groups (and soloists) to pushing out as many groups as possible in the shortest amount of time. Most idols are very hard working, but the field is saturated, resulting in quantity (for the sake of profits) over quality. Nearly everything sounds the same now, making it difficult to remember which group is singing which songs, which doesn't create "brand" loyalty.

[@SloWassPC]

That why i prefer old k-pop idol.

[@manale9366]

I weirdly like the „new“ kpop more. But that’s maybe cause I’m younger

[@AngelinaKing-u2m]

The old groups our the best I found no interest what so ever in new ones it will never vibe with me as old does

[@praveen.m2591]

The only kpop song i know is gangam style😂

[@hashybrown07]

I currently listen to Rain and TVXQ in my Spotify playlist 😢

[@aubreysong]

Gen 1 and Gen 2 probably isn't looking 'super perfect' flawless image like the youngest gen. But they're look more humane.

[@Ammagedon26]

just another decade and kpop will fade away too. as soon as 3rd gen is out,it's over for kpop

[@AGULL]

I agree. Its the 3th gen for me too

[@rachmatmulia5212]

@@AGULL I still love 2nd gen tho and that was the golden age of Kpop IMO.

[@riizecenter]

It won’t, it’s a multi billion industry. Be realistic.

[@BELIEVER78989]

Yup, for many kpop is still a niche music genre and a trend, most of the people don't know any kpop artists except for the super famous groups🤷‍♀️

[@BELIEVER78989]

Say what you want but 3rd gen was the last great gen of kpop🤷‍♀️

[@ItsJust_Ivan]

NewJeans is like fashion ambassadors while their style Y2K. Just doesn't make sense

[@annamew94]

As a person who first got into kpop back in 2016, I feel saddened now. I feel like the heart of what made kpop so unique was the creativity, passion, and most of all HOPE. It wasn't afraid to be it's own genre, and in a way it had helped me to find my own strength in not being afraid to be myself. I know that things never stay the same; that they grow and change and evolve over time. But this more recent change has been like planting a healthy flower into a pretty pot filled with rotting soil. Things aren't going to end well.

[@oliviali3544]

Please check out Aespa :(( they aren't as popular in western media. I wasn't really a kpop fan after bts and blackpink kinda stopped, but I recently found Aespa, and trust me they're like gen 3 idols :(( plzz🥺

[@2prize]

Kpop got too big for its own good

[@AGULL]

So true, still waiting for the hype to be over

[@skillbopster]

It isn't as big as they claim it is though.

[@BELIEVER78989]

Its not big

[@JM_Mk]

It's not that big don't believe the views

[@tubby_1278]

​@@skillbopsterIt's only K-Pop fans exaggerating lol. It's not as mainstream as people are making it to be. K-Pop isn't even in the top 10 list of most popular music genres/subgenres

[@МарияПетрова-ъ6н]

It went downhill since Bighit became Hybe

[@ly_smileylass1427]

Especially the Fact that the Hybe CEO Shared a Common 💭 (Dream) with the Higher-Ranking Staff Members of a 🇰🇷-Based, All-Japanese, 🇬🇧-Singing Global 👧 Group named XG. That Common Dream has a Dangerous & Ambitious Nature of Removing the "K" in K-Pop by Fully Pursuing Fame Internationally/from the Worldwide Western Communities. (While Neglecting the Actual Needs of Most Native 🇰🇷 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans at the Same ⏰.)

[@sweet_studies]

Seriously,the problems with kpop don't start and end with company,yes bighit becoming hybe as brought all lot of trouble but that doesn't mean the other companies are doing any better.I mean c'mon the fifty fifty case,yg idols becoming less active,jyp not being able to handle idols properly and not protecting them,I can go on.Yes hybe has problems of its own,the mhj vs hybe war,lsfm and illits hate train,fromis9's mistreatment are problems to fixed but the downfall of kpop is the result of the problems that have come from all companies not just one

[@sanazamir8341]

Frrr​@@sweet_studies

[@BtsOt7-Armblink]

​​@@sweet_studies but you can't deny that HYBE play a major role the downfall of kpop when the ceo said he want to remove the K in kpop

[@BELIEVER78989]

Its not only Hybe but they played a part

[@willieorellana7510]

Kpop was over the moment boy and girl groups could no longer interact with one another

[@VVilla-zh5mw]

True !

[@H.A.S.Z.S]

What? That's not completely true... Maybe you just haven't seen them. For example is straykids interactions with itzy, twice, etc and that is not all, there are lots more interactions between male idols and female idols like collab for youtube short (that's an interaction too).

[@willieorellana7510]

@@H.A.S.Z.S because they are under the same company. Back than girls generation collaborated with 2pm made a mv for a park and they were very touchy , but if something like this was released today uff its the end of the world

[@casualsuede]

"Pop will eat itself"....."even k-pop will eat itself." - David Quantick.

[@manale9366]

Eh? Kpop is more popular then ever. What are you talking about?

[@Surya_3103]

Not everything which is getting popular is good All shining things are not gold It's a truth that kpop is just fashion fights scandals controversy nowadays ​@@manale9366

[@RequiescatInPace]

@@manale9366 No it is not. It was at its peak during the pandemic but has steadily decreased.

[@bsjsvsk]

These days there are debuting everyday a new group full of kids with so short training period. I miss the time when idols were actually singers and actually trained longer so they could sing and dance well. Also the toxic stans these days are just ridiculous

[@lemoncaks]

kpop is boring as shit now

[@KCHIJuarez]

New kpop fans ruined everything 😭😭

[@Amal_Khan_5986]

Fr!!! 3rd gen fans were better than the new ones.

[@rachmatmulia5212]

@@Amal_Khan_5986 No, the 2nd gen is much better.

[@Amal_Khan_5986]

@@rachmatmulia5212 I mean yeah... But 3rd gen fandoms were legendary, it's was the golden time of kpop where 3rd gen and 2nd gen fans both were not toxic like the ones we have now

[@MCFCJake]

​​@@Amal_Khan_59862nd gen yeah I agree. 3rd gen not at all, they are equally bad cuz they literally initiated this process of attracting more toxic fans

[@Amal_Khan_5986]

@@MCFCJake nah, the toxicity started when the kpop started attracting western audience.

[@moniqueoteng7637]

It's the fact that fans appreciate and accept mediocrity from their favourite groups and be chart obsessed. These kpop labels and idols are obsessed with adopting anything from the west to feel accepted.

[@michinsaeggi-dakcho]

yesss…the charts literally kill me bc they’re so pointless. even in the west people cared more about how many physical copies you sold. digital music for anything other than the purpose of listening is the problem.

[@d4ze_22]

See this makes no sense to me, ur definition of mediocrity is different from others so it’s not a reason why kpop as a whole is changing. It might be a reason why kpop for you individually is changing but it’s fine if people like groups that r “mediocre” to you…. It’s nit the end of the world, I do think charts is a issue tho

[@wxywawjy626]

Yes it's there even in the West and the chart obsessed gather especially on X. To hear them big artists like Ariana Grande or Taylor Swift etc are flops..... doesn't that remind of kpop stans throwing nugu and flop at everyone?

[@unojd2936]

It's the fact that many of you don't leave the idols and the fans who enjoy them alone.

[@Whitney500]

i was OBSESSED with kpop from 2010-2013 and am still a shawol, but i backed off back then because i could tell it was gonna go downhill and i could see the focus changing. kpop isn’t fun anymore.

[@CKi-ws5wo]

I think one of the reasons is that from the 4th generation onwards, girl groups (GGs) and boy groups (BGs) have been striving to become the 'next Blackpink' or 'next BTS'. The popularity of BTS and Blackpink in the West might have attracted labels. However, BTS never aimed to become the next Psy or Michael Jackson. Additionally, from the 4th generation onwards, due to the large number of groups, the K-pop fandom has become divided. No group has been able to amass a fandom as huge as Armys and Blinks. I'm not saying the 4th and 5th generations are merely copies of the 3rd generation or unsuccessful.

[@wattswo]

Agree. BTS early songs were all about working your hardest and being out the norm from regular kpop. I loved it. But then the sad thing is they weren't immune to the integration with the machine.

[@angeld3085]

kpop gold era 2012-2019

[@AliAsghar-mz6fp]

Kpop golden era 3rd generation

[@jordicarvajal2834]

@@angeld3085 K-pop was at it's peak during the third generation but it slowly declined as we got deeper into the fourth generation

[@whimiscalwaffles]

Its not coming to an end but kpop just isn’t fun anymore I remember during 4th gen ppl were saying this exaggerating but 5th gen is 10x worse there’s only like a few actually good 5th gen groups that seem unique

[@whitneyogbonna]

5th gen is wayy better than 4th gen lol

[@milkflavored]

@@whitneyogbonna You're gonna have to be specific

[@whimiscalwaffles]

@@whitneyogbonna you’re a product of everything wrong that’s slowly building up in this world today

[@DrSimpleBeauty]

The fact that kpop is the ONLY music culture with “generations” is a set-up for comparison, and arguments in and of itself. How can artists have a long-term fulfilling career under those conditions? Its like sports when you age-out at 35 😂

[@manale9366]

@@whitneyogbonnanah, it’s not

[@LUNACIE]

I got into kpop in 2007. It will never be the same. Alike many 2000s and 2010s things we had good that capitalism and corporate greed have ruined.

[@SummerMimi-mt3nh]

It is so immature to see people going crazy for these celebrities when they don't even know u exist u are the one making them rich giving them fame but at the end u get nothing .

[@AliAsghar-mz6fp]

You are very narrow minded 😂😂😂😂 bruh celebrities know that we exist

[@AliAsghar-mz6fp]

Song written for fans left the chat ****

[@AliAsghar-mz6fp]

We aren't the one making them rich..... it's their hardwork which inspires other local people ..... hence ends up with stanning

[@AliAsghar-mz6fp]

Korean celebrities are way more better than Western celebrities for instance if a person likes iu songs so stans her what is wrong with thisssssss??????

[@SummerMimi-mt3nh]

@@AliAsghar-mz6fp do they even know ur name

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

After the 2nd generation and 3rd generation (with a few exceptions in the 4th generation) it really fell off. I will say that.

[@imawonderful6118]

That's why 2nd gen remains legendary!

[@vidv1924]

Kpop is going downhill because of one and only thing: Company Greed

[@tiredbylife.5589]

The worse to me is the age of idols. So, I just listen to other Korean genre. K-Hip-Hop, K-Ballad, K-R&B, K-Indie are more my jam, because it's primarily music by adults. And, there are less fanwars there too. Kiss of Life are like the only group of the 5th generation that I care about (and maybe tripleS). I still love my groups who debuted early 4th gen and older.

[@michinsaeggi-dakcho]

right! like the new jeans and baby monsters etc are just not doing it for me bc the appeal and aesthetic is so overdone and played, not to mention the repetitive fxcking songs

[@Suriel213]

Thanks for this. So refreshing to see a video address the facts. While I love kpop still...we're seeing even the groups with consistent quality music starting to fall into these "trends"..and I'm not liking where it's headed.

[@catherineabena5720]

6:22 for dance practices I just wanted to highlight that KEY said that the reason dance practices looked like that before was because they were simply for their own purposes and they had no idea they would be shared. He indicated that he felt a lil uncomfortable with it at first because he wasn’t ready for that image of him to be spread. This video was the one where he was guessing which 5th gen boy groups wardrobe it was (spoiler it was boynextdoors).

[@puellasselcouth783]

best era of kpop was 2008-2015

[@AngelinaKing-u2m]

So true

[@user-Linyue8]

Till 2019

[@equanico]

True..

[@Lucy-x5v]

1992~2020

[@whereisjustice5112]

Now, K-Pop is not music come first. Only JYP is care music more than endorsement.

[@winter.b0i]

Groups like NMIXX are proof of that, they are overflowing with talent

[@rachmatmulia5212]

You know I really miss 2nd generation Kpop where it was still very authentic and the idols really had skills and charisma without gimmicks, I don't know why now big agencies seem to only be looking for profit without good quality even though they previously worked hard to build the Kpop industry from 0 to become as big as now and now the big agencies don't seem to appreciate their own hard work (blood, sweat and tears) and the achievements they has fought for over the past few decades.

[@SuruchiJha-e1s]

Bro they even have a brand endorsement song lol😂😂😂

[@whimiscalwaffles]

Jyp is one of the least authentic companies now he is a money greed monster overworking his idols making them release the same damn songs with overused concepts

[@whereisjustice5112]

@@whimiscalwaffles Haters.

[@PrinceFluffy]

The westernisation of K-Pop was the start of the end, i liked K-Pop because it was different 🤷‍♂️

[@thefastones]

Kpop lost it's touch when it catered to big mouth international people that called themselves fans but are only there because it was trending

[@michinsaeggi-dakcho]

right

[@Gush12]

True story!

[@Celestialprincess1603]

So that’s where the money is…

[@thefastones]

@@Celestialprincess1603 It ain't. The money is in Asia (mainly SK, Japan and China) but not in the America's or Europe.

[@Celestialprincess1603]

@@thefastones America dominates the music market…. Hence why they’re so keen on trying to break through look at Latin pop got through the American market (and now African beats (rema, wiz kid, Tyla) African are doing the same and now succeeding like the latinas did and now they have globally become more popular known and richer. The industry is a market the viewers are the consumers of Korea and Asian doesn’t make up let’s say 1% of the international market and you’re trying to make more money you will stop catering to them only… like you think companies do this for fun not it’s for money idk why people would think otherwise. They don’t care about culture or language or authenticity and neither does most people because k pop is becoming more popular even if the Asian market is starting to get annoyed which impacts almost nothing outside of social media. If you think anything else matters besides the green you are juvenile welcome to the real world. That’s how black pinks and bts separated themselves and broke into the American market you can tell by their views and popularity they have become equal to the general American artist ! Not hating im just saying people acting shocked is so funny

[@stassadar]

I miss the days when I started to listen to Kpop in 2006 😢 no fan wars, no social media pressure, groups having fun with other groups good times.

[@TheZeus012345678]

No fan wars??? Wow you missed a looot of HOT vs GOD hahaha so

[@stassadar]

@@TheZeus012345678 HOT was more 1st gen than 2nd but it is true that THAT fanwar was something else. But I meant more online fan wars like not able to stand multiple groups or going to other videos bashing etc.

[@BELIEVER78989]

Lol fanwars existed even then, the only difference is earlier it used to be physical fights and now its online fights🤷‍♀️

[@Yue_lunna]

Girls Generation black ocean episode 😅

[@zerothour]

NO FAN WARS??!!! it used to be much worse..

[@TheJrockfreak]

I cant say I feel like Kpop is coming to a end anytime soon. The landscape is getting a bit oversaturated as far as groups go but I dont see it ending or falling off anytime soon.

[@dinthang2591]

Last good Kpop year was 2019, but 2020 was still fine

[@lenayaa377]

Kpop the way we knew it officially ended in 2020

[@Jennifahh]

I dare to say the whole world changed in 2020.....for the worst

[@lenayaa377]

@@Jennifahh thats so true!!!! You cant imagine how much I miss the years before 2020.. 😩😩

[@reylandvilla6646]

They are now dance groups… no longer music groups…

[@moulichoudhury923]

kpop was just a phase and it doesn't feel the same way as it did before

[@pipsqueak3296]

2nd gen pave the way for kpop. 3rd gen pave the way to become brand ambassador.

[@cosmofried]

the groups who still release good music are flopping and disbanding, while the trashy ones are getting viral due to tiktok

[@chistinasong6065]

Yup

[@R0VERKAI]

EXO will never be a flop group, no matter how they do on charts. They still make amazing quality music with over 3-4 minutes songs and with the best vocals and the most versatile music in the industry. They don't make music for tiktok and charts, they make music for music lovers. That's why their 11 years old winter song gets viral every year and breaks records left and right.

[@angelaG_004]

Fr 4th gen and 5th gen idols still talk about them and look up too them , and cover there music

[@darkworld..6106]

"What goes up will come down"

[@snsdkbopper7819]

I’ve definitely noticed how much the Kpop music video views have dropped in the last few years!

[@the-weak-alternative]

It might also be because Covid lockdowns ended and people aren't home streaming videos obsessively anymore. Instead, they consume on other platforms. Some of those Spotify counts are still pretty high.

[@carlisophie]

Not gonna lie, I left K-pop world. I’m a full blown VIP and added EXO along the way. These said I’m listening only to the two bands including all solos and return to my other bands from the past. I think 3rd Gen was the last fun for me.

[@davidp1017]

I think the issue is that there is so much saturation these days of new groups debuting left and right that these "older groups" have to keep up, adding to the pressure and toxicity to the Kpop scene. Especially when these newer groups, like mentioned in the video, are already getting gigs BEFORE they even debut and receive bigger and better opportunities AFTER their debut. It's wild that these luxury brands are booking these idols as ambassadors even before their debut. And why are these companies even allowing this when this group isn't even officially debuted yet? And i get it - money! But they're not even officially debuted yet though! They're not a thing. But with all that said, i dont think Kpop has gotten worse than before per se. It's just a different landscape. Not better or worse. Just my opinion though!

[@itsmissanny]

Anyone who calls EXO a flop knows NOTHING about talent! They're a POWERHOUSE of vocals, visuals and entertainment. Time after time, EXO has proven to be a permanent part of the industry and will FOREVER remain the KINGS of K-Pop!!

[@the-weak-alternative]

Fans being "angry" is half of the reason kpop sucks now. Stan twitter is ruining everything. Maybe you're fine, but in case someone else reads this -- take a deep breath and don't mind people criticizing your band on twitter. Your idols won't love you more for getting into internet flame wars.

[@aliakhtar7118]

It all happened because bts and blackpink got famous now. Everyone wants to out reach them and say we are more famous

[@BELIEVER78989]

It will never happen, no one will ever top BTS in terms of influence and impact, BTS is a rarity not a daily occurence.

[@michinsaeggi-dakcho]

no one will ever top BTS - BP never did half of what BTS did or achieved, nor impact. BP just came from a big three and gained traction for their girl crush image, by far the least talented of several female idols. they were mediocre at best and barely sound good live.

[@aliakhtar7118]

@@michinsaeggi-dakcho black pink Is the most successful girl group in history and BTS is the most successful boy group There is no competition 😠

[@jordicarvajal2834]

K-pop would not be falling if BTS and Blackpink never break into the western markets. Other companies saw this as an opportunity to push their groups into the US market and now so much companies now want to turn their groups into the new BTS or the new Blackpink

[@michinsaeggi-dakcho]

@@aliakhtar7118 no, the best selling girl group of all time is the spice girls and second is TLC. regardless, I like BP too but it’s clear as day that they never had any actual impact outside of the girl crush image, the boys wanting them and the gays and girls wanting to be them. successful isn’t charts and KZbin views, they didn’t do variety shows, they didn’t go to Grammys, they didn’t do UNICEF campaigns, they didn’t do any global things outside of modeling. no impact, it’s ridiculous for them to even be taken serious bc they aren’t even as talented as other gg, and that’s fact. they barely can sing live and rapping isn’t even as hard as singing and Lisa couldn’t even do that well.

[@mccocklekok6699]

Its no suprising its just boy group and girl group dancing around and no real singing, it eventually gets boring. Just look at Chapell Roan and Sabrina they are amazing vocalist and is entertaining because they sing live.

[@jay-ur1mj]

Its shallow , problematic and we all can now clearly see that the perfect cutesy personas are industry made living powerpoint presentations.

[@libbie414]

no more quality. a lot of new groups are debuting one after another. they became more models than singers/performers.

[@Jjong-90]

Kpop ended end of 3rd gen…. And I’ve seen the start of kpop in the 90´s

[@erculinal.60]

K Pop is more and more americanized ... 😢

[@jordicarvajal2834]

Exactly 💯

[@Kpop_Toast]

Uh... Not only just America the entire world... It's just that people attack Americans for ruining kpop .. it's not becoming Americanized it's becoming more westernized etc. Your technically saying america is the only vulg@r country but it's not take a look at Europe and other countries in Asia...😅

[@russenterprise6502]

Westernized perhaps, they still have A-Pink who are timeless 2nd gen still around and still stick to k-pop more than BTS.

[@bobsayshello7112]

I get what u mean but at the same kpop took a huge inspo and influence from western music ever since its creation so to speak

[@angelaG_004]

@@bobsayshello7112I think they mean that K-pop groups are now using so many English words in there songs

[@juliakohlerkohler5430]

Is so true K-pop has changed I hope the company’s wake up

[@kmoyao50]

Sounds like Kpop aint fun anymore, but just about branding and a money game.

[@blackwater224]

I do personally believe that these short songs will not age well because it's very hard for them to have a lasting impression at least for me. In fact after I listen to a shorter kpop song I just completely forget that it ever existed because it doesn't feel complete or worthwhile to keep listening to. But that is just my opinion.

[@Neo-ys9xm]

I've always seen Kpop as a business for companies to make money off the hardwork of idols. Now idols are aspiring to become brand ambassadors to make money for themselves since most of them don't get paid enough through music alone.

[@Kira-nn7me]

Well, BTS built the wall too high for other music artists to reach it as BTS, so now companies want to get same benefits and success that BTS have, but sacrificing the music quality of their idols and the most important thing, the bond with the group fans

[@CKi-ws5wo]

True from 4th gen onwards groups are trying hard to become next Bts.

[@Alexandra_Indina]

Not for MUSIC ARTISTS, but for social media stars. BTS lost their music quality looooong ago. and tbf they 've never been great ARTISTS. They built their popularity literally on social media platforms, starting from billbord social 50. All of their efforts were focused on that.

[@Xenobee_]

​​​​@@Alexandra_Indina Lmao be fr. They were always great artists and had given the kpop industry major hits and a name in the west. Just because you don't like their music doesn't mean the millions of people around the world won't like it. Pls do some research before shaming any group

[@Auroraarmy]

​@@Alexandra_IndinaIt's funny that when Exo was one of the most famous and successful groups in Korea you didn't say that about them, just admit that you hate BTS

[@IshitaSingh-js4my]

​@@Alexandra_Indina the fck are you even yapping about

[@gameshoes]

This is just "enshittification" (best known in software development) because greedy suits make it so. Kpop chasing brand deals, cutting quality, and axing groups that don't gross millions of dollars instantly is all because some greedy executives can't settle for a lot of money; they want all of the money.

[@the-weak-alternative]

Seeing "enshittification" in reference to a Kpop video? Take my upvote! I will also add, as others have, that the fans are weird as f*ck. Like, getting into weird Twitter fights with each other, dragging the idols down with them, and making up stupid "scandals." That's not the music industry, that's us, collectively. But yeah, This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things.

[@Aswpllllllllllll]

Kpop is not kpoping anymore. Its became the new way to give audition to be a model for luxury brand

[@jesicafigueroa1276]

Let's be honest nowadays most idols are just influencers not artists

[@ivoldemort4273]

Got into kpop and overall Korean entertainment since 2009. It’s changed so so much but unfortunately not for the better 😕

[@S.N_21]

What I miss about old Kpop: Everything Difference between new and old Kpop New: Doesn't feel that genuine, everything needs to be perfect, feel's like they are meant to be worked as robots Old Kpop: Genuine,dance practices and stuff like that make them feel like they humans,we can connect to them And many more

[@missmonica7887]

I used to enjoy watching music shows even if I didn’t know any of the groups, now I don’t tune in anymore because the quality of music has declined drastically. It’s more about visuals and choreography than music and talent nowadays.

[@Jayden1766-b7o]

I would say Kpop peaked with Dynamite, after that it has been going downhill. Nowadays its really hard to find a good new kpop song that is catchy and the chorus isn't just them repeating two english words, or there is no singing in the chorus at all. I sometimes watch top 100 lists of the newest songs and I am happy if I find even one good song amount 100 songs recently. Luckily there are some gems like Velvet Red's cosmic where they sing a catchy chorus, or like Rose's new song with Brunow Mars... but they are few...very few. I feel they need to reset the whole industry at this point..

[@Da_W1ck]

I miss the older Kpop musics, like Kara, f(x), Miss A, etc, those are THE K-pop for me, forever iconic legendary songs, they were old songs, but never gets old, idk how to explain it. These days, k-pop songs sounds cool and extravagant when it just released, but its gets old very fast. I remember on MAMA 2020 when Kara perform Lupin, it was so hype no other artist in that day can beat that hype.

[@ImTheSuccessfulQueen]

💅🖤GIRL I LOVE MY GIRLS💅🖤

[@prettybeast6411]

Sometimes i feel like we are too serious about kpop, just take a chill guys, its juat a music genre and nothing else

[@rhythmicpaths271]

Idk about others but as a bts stan we are extremely well fed not just by music but other contents as well. We have music both for chart and as art. Bts never feared to experiment with genres and doesnt follow the generic formula of kpop. I know kpop stans will never acknowledge this but who even cares about their so called opinions. Watch kpop revive the moment bts comes back from military and watch kmedia write millions of article about how bts saved kpop once again despite them "falling off"

[@queendevi2492]

Armies are so delusional.😂

[@rhythmicpaths271]

@@queendevi2492 Right we are so delusional that bts are getting invited as Olympic torchbearers even after they allegedly "fell off"

[@reijinvyskra1759]

DAmn how delusional you gotta be.

[@Auroraarmy]

​@@queendevi2492You know she didn't lie

[@rhythmicpaths271]

@@reijinvyskra1759 not more than kpop stans ofcourse

[@pollycipher]

Kpop Idols still compete in music and talent,they just do it in music shows now. Why people are just celebrating ambassadorships instead on music videos, the songs, dances, and achievements. I'll put less focus on brand ambassadorships. I pray to god that Look doesn't end.

[@rhadamaru4u]

K-pop - are slowly dying in the Philippines because of the rise of P-pop and also in Thailand's rise of T-pop.

[@mrscitrine3592]

Yes A’tin, sb19 stan here excited for what to come for Ppop

[@chrishenniker5944]

What about Philippine noise rock, industrial or neofolk? I would like to see the Pinoy Mark E. Smith or GG Allin.

[@mrscitrine3592]

@@chrishenniker5944 what should they do to break internationally? I know with Ppop they are showing they can level up and be as good or better than kpop

[@burntaf1428]

tiktok's influence on kpop is the worst fr

[@LADYSILVERWOLF028]

There is SO much talent in kpop. I wish groups could go back to having a love of music and just enjoy preforming again. I love 2nd gen groups the most. The new groups, maybe because they are new, just seem so serious and the performances, while very polished, lack an authenticatisity. Money, views and modeling, etc. seems to have taken over. I think as a whole, kpop is seeing a decline because fans can feel it too.

[@will-q8c7j]

i mean, honestly, new kpop songs and groups right now don't really stand out anymore 😭 it all went downhill, for me, at the end of 3rd gen of kpop. 🤷🏻

[@dandan-mn5vp]

Modern K-pop is much better. The vocals and dancing are better, and the music videos are better and more interesting. Stray kids, Ateez, their music is very experimental. In the U.S. Nobody does that kind of music. And they always sing without phonograms or lip sync. By the way, Ateez has a main vocalist Jongho, who is one of the best vocalists in Korea. The old K-pop is monotonous and boring. The old K-pop is monotonous and boring. And there are a lot of cliches, not in modern but old K-pop. If you don't understand this, then you are an idiot. The lyrics are only about love, and the lyrics were written for them by other people. I believe that songs should have meaning. They should help in bad times. For example, Stray kids write songs by themselves. They write songs about believing in yourself, about parents, about not being sad, and not paying attention to the words that make you sad. (G) I-DLE writes songs about prejudice, stereotypes, and people's stupidity. BTS songs make sense too. If you have bad times, you can read the translations of the songs, and you will feel better. Their songs help me in bad times.Old K-pop is just nostalgia and nothing more. Don't dwell on the past. I just don't like people who say it was better in the past. Stop slandering modern groups, and don't be stupid idiots.

[@YourAnimeDad]

Kpop groups in not a music group anymore, right now they are more like a dance group with good looking but not talent. I believe right now in every kpop company are way more focus to train their trainee as a walking model rather than a singer.

[@nahminsong8454]

HYBE (BangP.D) literally ruined KPOP.

[@joonsoneandonly]

y’all trying to place the blame of kpops downfall onto one label/man is so funny. if you really think the actions of a label/ceo is what’s ruining kpop, then according your logic kpop was already in the trenches before hybe became a thing since the big3 were all having scandals left and right regarding drugs, illegal prostitution, theft, etc.

[@trex7370]

Agreed

[@tinafatbottom8069]

@@trex7370 bts is getting older number 1 dayz are numbered

[@KRapPsychic]

Not focusing on talent and innovation will make for vanilla bland music, forgettable watered down gruel, like rice porridge with no kimchi. The world will spit it out as unedible.

[@Alwoke]

Singers need to be singers again and fandoms need to chill tf out