The Transgender Killer: The Infamous Margaret Allen MURDER Case 1948

[@DonnaDouglas-x3x]

Vickie and Chris you guys are amazing, you have presented this case beautifully. I am sitting here in Claremont , New Hampshire USA crying and moved by this story. I am a social worker who have worked in several mental retreats in which some of my clients suffer through identity concerns. . What a story , the humanity of it. Much respect for the way you two have expressed this story. You are amazing people. Wish you were closer I have very similar mind set as yourselves. Thank you. Be well be safe.

[@DaysofHorror]

So kind of you and we have to admit, this was the hardest story we have covered as we knew full well that if we disrespected 'Bill', despite of the crime he committed, and didn't acknowledge his identity, it may have infuriated some people. Myself and Vickie have no dealings with sexual identity and the community, so it was very hard to try and find the right words. Not sure if this makes sense, but hopefully you know what I mean.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Hope New Hampshire looking after you and you have lovely weather. Thank you so much for your lovely comments and thank you for the work you do. It was a hard one, and one we have put off doing just hope we have done it justice. 😊

[@DonnaDouglas-x3x]

@@DaysofHorror great job you very respectful tful and true.

[@annfisher3316]

Hello New Hampshire neighbor, l live in the Green Mountains of Vermont. Lovely, well-said comment you left for this tragic and emotional case. 🌄

[@DonnaDouglas-x3x]

@@annfisher3316 hello I grew up in Chester Vermont. Vermont is the best.

[@margaretarmbruster4919]

A sad story, eloquently told . thank you both

[@hanabbe]

You and your wife are compassionate people. Thank you

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you, we always try to get right into the story and minds of all involved 😊

[@samanthacross3523]

I have to say you both have presented this case with sensitivity and empathy. Very interesting and sad for all involved. May they all rest in peace

[@DaysofHorror]

Thank you so much Samantha. This was one of the hardest to film as we didnt want to disrespect the community involved by not calling Margaret by her name in some parts, and Bill in others. Plus, the editing in this was an nightmare from start to finish with some footage which didnt record!

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you 😊

[@ReneeHorth]

Hormonal changes, or any other “changes” does NOT give anyone the reason to kill another human being !

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

💯 ❤

[@kellibegs]

@ReneeHorth I'm going through the menopause and never dreamt it would affect me to the degree it has...no I wouldn't kill someone i hope....but I do have a list

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@kellibegsDon't we all 😉😉

[@ReneeHorth]

@@kellibegs I’m done with mine, and know what you mean !

[@annabelladebonnay8320]

So so so. Superficial.......

[@carondean2960]

So so sad, you've done the people in this story proud telling it in such a sensitive manner. You really do make the past come to life. Thank you xx

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you Caron, we so pleased to hear this 😊

[@carondean2960]

❤

[@emmajanewatts4388]

I’ve just found this channel and watched a few videos, it’s bloody brilliant ❤️

[@DaysofHorror]

Welcome aboard Emma 😊 We do try our very best to find these amazing stories. Working full time does restrict where we can film sometimes, travel wise, but we aim to travel further afield as and when we can.

[@emmajanewatts4388]

@@DaysofHorror don’t rush because I think your channel is perfect how it is

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

So kind Emma, thanks for the lovely words ❤

[@cassandrade-wolfe6926]

A sad story very compassionately told. Vickie and Chris your channel is excellent.

[@DaysofHorror]

Thank you so much 😊

[@angeladouel5397]

A very well presented video. I have another theory about the murder and it concerns Bill's headaches. He could have been suffering from motor epilepsy whereby the sufferer repeats their last action from when the fit starts until it passes. It would explain the repeated blows, Bill's actions afterwards re the body and even drawing attention to the bag - he simply did not realise that he was responsible for it all! Epilepsy is not very well understood, even today, and fits take many forms, I know this from personal experience with a close family member who suffers from at least 3 different types, one of which is the motor fit and they have no memory of what happened during the fit. So I think 😅that I am with you Chris, and, in this instance, Bill should not have been hung.

[@alantaylor2285]

Love the videos guys, being quite local to where some of your videos are set and knowing some of the stories 'passed down' by older generations of my family you present the videos in an interesting way. My wife an I, often tune into the videos and are captivated by the stories and we've even got my mother involved who loves your channel. Keep up the great work 👍

[@DaysofHorror]

Glad you like them! Thanks From vickie & chris

[@Emma_tetlow]

Just found your channel but love your approach on retelling of stories and crime cases. Amazing work. 😊

[@DaysofHorror]

Thank you so much Emma 😊

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Emma, appreciate those comments 😊

[@redmanc68garybatley78]

Excellently narrated,my wife and I are currently making our way through all your great stories...Great work.... Regards Gary & Jeannette.

[@DaysofHorror]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Aww thanks Gerry, glad your enjoying our content with your wife Jeanette, we have a lot of videos and release new ones every Monday at 8.05pm 😊

[@furryhenry]

A very sad story, well told.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

😊

[@JeanElliott-p5h]

Thank you both so much. Very, very interesting. I think what Maggie did to become Bill was soooo brave, especially back then. The turmoil’s, depression etc that was experienced must have been hell. But after watching and listening to you both, I am with Vicky. One or two blows, yes life imprisonment. But twelve, that’s overkill. When things like this happen it has a domino effect on everyone’s lives, even so today. So love your videos, even though I’m not from your part of the world. Keep up the good work. ❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, agree Maggie transforming to Bill in those days was a brave thing to do. Thanks for watching and commenting 😊

[@diddyreason]

A sad but fascinating story. Well presented and respectably done. I have less sympathy due to the stolen money, so robbery was the motivation.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

We just don't know re money... it was never clarified that it was stolen but was not in her bag, so can only presume. Thanks for watching 😊

[@Jkk55]

A very interesting story very well told with lots of information as usual thank you guys just brill 👏👏👏👏💕

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you, always appreciate your support 😊

[@carlfaulkner9773]

A sad, interesting and well told tale. I pass some of the locations from time-to-time and was completely oblivious, until now, of their link to this crime. I wonder what became of Bill's close friend Annie Cook?

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes we could not find any further information on Annie 😢

[@leenewcome85]

Just found your channel & really enjoyed this episode thanks for sharing 😊

[@DaysofHorror]

Many thanks Lee 😊 We are hopefully getting better with each video, but there are some bad habits I'm still trying to weed out. There are a mammoth amount of stories still to come.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you for watching and enjoying the video 😊

[@micksmusicchannel]

You did well with this one Chris.. im tending to agree with Vickie on this one.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Mick 👍

[@phildixon9074]

Well done always interesting and correct. You need to know that Maggies mother's 1st marriage with Thomas Dobson he comitted suicide in 1910.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thx for sharing, very interesting.

[@janetcw9808]

I know it's a trivial remark, but I loved it when you said the word oynin', I felt at home!

[@DaysofHorror]

Thank you 😁

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

😂

[@acoltrane62]

I'm rewatching it to see what I missed the 1st time. Your research is amazing!

[@DaysofHorror]

I appreciate that!

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you 😊

[@morgank9944]

Another utterly amazing story. As always, well researched and well told. Good job, guys. I'm an absolute fan of the channel.

[@DaysofHorror]

Much appreciated Morgan :-) It honestly means a lot to us that people find them as interesting as we do and it does make the travelling, the researching, the editing all the more worth while. Thank you so much.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you so much for the lovely comments Morgan, so glad your enjoying the videos 😊

[@bernicecox5208]

The music and graphics you put up are fantastic..great choice.

[@DaysofHorror]

The music is something we really do try to use correctly. We dont want upbeat loud tunes as they wouldnt fit with the stories. As for the images used, this is something we are using a lot now as Ai is a tremendous tool and if we can use it to try and bring to life the characters for the stories, then we will try our best.

[@azza4462]

Just come across this channel about a week ago, have to say it's been really interesting watching some historic videos of the areas I've grown up in. I never new or even heard about any of these story's before so your videos have been a really good watch. Keep up the good work pal love your stuff

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you for enjoying our content and your lovely comments. 😊

[@azza4462]

@Vickie76 no problem, already looking forward to your next video 😀

[@DaysofHorror]

Welcome aboard and glad your enjoying the content. Thank you

[@kathrynryder9620]

I believe the death penalty was just. What a brutal murder. Some of these stories are so sad being new ive a lot of catching up to do. A brilliant channel guys.Keep up your brilliant work.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Kathryn 😊

[@wendysweet2753]

Thank you guy's very intresting and well presented

[@DaysofHorror]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you Wendy 😊

[@Sapphireice8]

After watching this awhile.. whilst thinking of my cousins being from there.. whilst focusing on the surname Cook being from our home village other end of country.. I realise they are actually all from the Allen family and makes me wonder whether there is a connection.. Bill has familiar features.. could be linked.. 1 cousin lives in Haslingden some are Bolton, some are Bury.. that Paternal line of their family were there generations.

[@trevorwright6165]

well vicki and chris what a story you have told and so well me and chris here at home agree with vicki . thank you so much a always and may i ask is this filmed with your new camera and mike cheers from trev and chris down south xxx

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Trevor & Christine we are glad we did it justice. Yes this was filmed using the new mic and camera and think looks better on screen 😀

[@trevorwright6165]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie hi all i thought it was the new camera and the mic well done to you both xxx

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@trevorwright6165 Thank you

[@moonmonster1000]

I'm originally from Rawtenstall. Thank you for this. I knew the story of Bill (Margaret) Allen, but I had only heard a sensationalist account. I think you handled this very sensitively.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Aww thank you, that's lovely to hear 😊

[@DaysofHorror]

Interesting!

[@JonfitzFitzjohn-k6s]

Brilliant work Guy.s

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Jon 😊

[@margaretmcmullen7926]

It was 12 blows too many, not 11! I don't believe in the death penalty.. and I don't think any person should get away with murder . Life in prison without parole.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

😊

[@TheLadyT23]

My grandma's brother lived as a female and they were born before the 1920's, so you can imagine the terrible stigma then. Having said that, there was an obvious male who used to come into a shop where I worked in the 1980's and some people would laugh behind his back because he dressed as a woman. We have come so far thank goodness. Hanging was just desserts, a life for a life.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

100%

[@patsysmith540]

Thank you so much.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Your welcome 😊

[@juliejulie3821]

Aw love you both such wonderful people , brilliant story !! ❤❤❤❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Aww thanks Julie, we really appreciate that comment ❤

[@jeepsthetimebandit]

I agree Vickie. It was over kill. Also, it's not like he stopped and realised what he had done and fetched the police. He tried to get rid of the evidence, etc.

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

My thoughts exactly

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks ❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@CarolWoosey-ck2rg ❤

[@PAULLEGO-b7t]

Hi Chris and Vicky love your videos. Yes I agree with Vicky said Bill getting hung Because he took an innocent life.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Paul

[@DaysofHorror]

Thanks Paul 👍

[@carolinewalley3908]

A story well told,great stuff👍

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you Caroline 😊

[@carolinewalley3908]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie ... i came across your channel recently and i must say i am steaming through your vlogs.Thankyou to both of you for fascinating insight and the respect that you have for victims.Once again great stuff,keep it up 👍❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@carolinewalley3908 aww thank Caroline, glad your enjoying our content. We upload new videos every Monday at 8.05pm. Appreciate your support 😊

[@DaysofHorror]

Thank you kindly!

[@janetedmundson991]

Great well put together video guy's. I have watched this one before maybe on Steve's channel or Daft monkey can't remember which one it was.

[@DaysofHorror]

Hi Janet - I know Steve covered it around 10 months ago. I was speaking with him over the weekend and he very kindly offered to send over those images we used in the video. We are planning on meeting Steve at his home in the coming weeks all being well and we are excited to meet up with him.

[@janetedmundson991]

@@DaysofHorror I have watched quite a few of his videos Chris, I subscribed to him a while ago on your recommendation. Have fun on your meet up.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

It would be Steve's. Thanks for watching 😊

[@janetedmundson991]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie Thanks Vickie.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@janetedmundson991👍

[@wiccanways]

Agree with vicky but understand chris points also 😊

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

❤

[@DaysofHorror]

Fair dos! Although I think I'm swaying that way now

[@justanotherjezebeI]

Sometimes, there are justifiable excuses for taking another's life. This was not one of those cases, and Bill was rightly convicted, IMO. Side note: Vicky, I love the fun color of your lipstick! Total fire. ❤️‍🔥

[@DaysofHorror]

We have seen the two photos of poor Nancy and the injuries she suffered from, but we only saw them after filming. So, this does kind of sway me into thinking the correct decision was made by the Jury. 12 blows to the head and as I say, the photos do show just how barbaric the attack was.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

@justanotherjezebeI love my purple 💜 lipstick - thank you. Yes I think 12 blows to the head, justice was served. Thx for watching and commenting 🙂

[@DonnaBooth-qe3ez]

Thanks guys I have really enjoyed watching your new video tonight it was a sad one😢 xx

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

@@DonnaBooth-qe3ez thanks Donna 😊

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

What a tragic story. Bill had finally found some measure of happiness. And what an awful, sudden end for Nancy

[@DaysofHorror]

Another needless act of violence, as is the case in most of the stories we have uncovered. Bill had issues most of his/her life, but as many pointed out, it's no excuse to take another life. This was a story we have held off doing for some months as a few others had already covered it, so we thought we would just sit it out for a while, but thanks for watching and your support means a lot 😊

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

I know 😢

[@billyw-y7y]

im getting into your channel.Luv the oop north aspect. must say that having just seen this one I am presently siding towards hanging. 12 vicious blows to an elderly lady, stealing money?, disposing of weapon, no remorse. but tempered by 'episode' after headache and no malice aforethought. would like to have heard if medico gave defence evidence to explain what may have caused the loss of control

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks for watching and commenting 😊

[@jeepsthetimebandit]

Maybe they wouldn't sign the petition because he was guilty?

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Plausible

[@lorrainedalgleish7616]

What was the operation that Maggie had , the one she called " the Change"? My mum always referred to the menopause as The Change. I don't think that was thought of as a sex change😅 Maybe Maggie had a hysterectomy, an operation which my gran referred to as an Exdirectory..

[@furryhenry]

In those days no one knew, or very little, about the " change " or emotions controlling mood swings like today, never mind sex changes, everything was clear cut, black and white.

[@michellewhittaker4687]

My grandfather was like that he would hide his money in envelope's under his mattress! 😂

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, my grandma use to hide money in hems of curtains along with jewellery ❤

[@DaysofHorror]

I lot of people used to and probably still do hide cash around their homes. Some just dont trust banks anymore and I understand why.

[@carolb8521]

Very sad story, an I feel for all the situation with his hormones etc, and depression,but,yeah I agree with Viki, 12 blows to the head,and dumping her body in the street,getting rid of the hammer,and he felt no remorse , it was definitely the right sentence,very tragic but yes a life for a life ,as it should be same today if it's 100% certain they are guilty, especially with child murders etc,but that's another topic, x

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

💯 I totally agree with all these comments. Thanks Carol 😊

[@kaylz6418]

Yes

[@janettemccubbin8246]

I feel the punishment was correct. In those days a murder was a murder and the punishment would fit the crime. If he/she had been given life imprisonment his/her life would have been impossible and probably short as other prisoners would have considered him/her a freak and would, at the least, have been made to suffer all sorts of humiliation and probably attacks. He/she was really also a victim of the times, just because we know and understand more now doesn’t mean the punishment was wrong.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Total understand what you are saying here, and I agree. Thanks 😊

[@ronniesimpson3665]

I believe that Maggie Allen was born in Bolton ɓut lived at Plantation Street, Bacup and not Plantation Street, Rawtenstall

[@DaysofHorror]

Hi Ronnie, hope you are well. Yes, we have read she was born in Bolton but we could find no census records to back it up, thats we were didnt commit to saying it was true. Thank you also for clarifying which Plantation Street! I was looking on old OS maps as we also read that some of the buildings had been demolished and the area was rebuilt. When looking at the maps, something was bugging us as her house number just doesnt show at the Plantation Street in Rawtenstall which then got us thinking perhaps it wasnt that street after all. By that way, we contacted the Rossendale Civic Society asking if we could use some images from the book Odd Man Out and there is a photo I think that you are credited with - that of an older Nancy Chadwick. We asked if we could use it and give credit, but they only got back to us this morning, so it was a little too late unfortunately.

[@lunevalleyparanormal]

What an incredible amount of research you both have done on this sad story so hats off to you both I’m afraid I agree with Vickie Bill deserved the sentence which was passed 1 blow is questionable 12 blows was intentional Thanks Guys a great video once again

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Luna, glad you enjoyed. Yes alot of information and to try to condense the video down too was hard as needed to tell the story with as much information as possible 😊

[@LorraineWeston-t9j]

Story i have never heard of. Did i miss the Motive ? Great channel guy's

[@DaysofHorror]

The motive we 'thought' we recorded. We took about 5 mins to discuss it but that file, along with a couple more files are not on the memory card. We can only think I pressed the record button twice, therefore stopping recording even though I thought it was recording. BUT, the motive - we believe Bill may have took the money from Nancy's shopping bag as an after-thought and before she threw it into the river. Being close to Annie Cook, Bill may have thought at that moment that the money may have helped her clear some of her debt and to also try and impress Annie by having some money of her own, rather than perhaps relying on Annie? It's just a thought we had but we were gutted that the file, along with others, just didn't record. Believe me, I searched through all of the recorded footage but it just isn't on the card.

[@LorraineWeston-t9j]

@@DaysofHorror Thanks for the reply & explanation. You can't be perfect all the time♥

[@sandragriffiths810]

There was rumours that it was over cigarettes. My grandmother, aunties and uncle knew her/him.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@sandragriffiths810 ooh, if you have more you can share with us on this story Sandra, please email us (via our website) as we could do a follow up to this video 😊

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@LorraineWeston-t9jyour welcome 😊

[@lunarose7234]

Thanks guys, this was good. I listened why decorating my bathroom 😂 I dont think Bill deserved to be hanged , but maybe 15 or 20 years would have been sufficient. But I did wonder if there was more to the story, such a savage attack on someone , do you think Bill had undiagnosed epilepsy due to his symptoms ? Thanks for all your hard work researching.❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Luna for commenting and good point raised. Hope your bathroom looking lovely. 😊

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

I wonder if Bill suffered from severe migraines? They can really affect your judgement and equanimity. There wasn’t much that could be done for them back then.

[@tomhirons7475]

a difficult case i agree.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Tom 👍

[@ianmcnally7203]

Another very touching and well presented story. In regards to the victim Nancy, she was very vulnerable to criminal interest because of her age, no family, and her apparent life on the edges of the local community, and the fact it was believed she carried a lot of money around with her. These vulnerabilities were increased by her habit of putting herself in to other people’s homes. In regards to Bill / Maggie, in his earlier life he would have been subject to a lot of strong emotions in regards to his gender identity, which may have lead him to be the subject some very unpleasant reactions to his situation brought about by society’s views at the time. Because of these factors he might have developed a self loathing and a lack of empathy for others. Bill was thought to have been in financial trouble. if one was to look at a risk analysis triangle it might be that the following is relevant. The antecedence was Nancy and bills journey through life. The behaviour was bill might have exploited Nancy’s vulnerabilities (some might be evidenced by the lack of attendance at Nancy’s funeral) The conjecture was Nancy being alone with bill in the house which enabled the outcome. Outcome, Nancy’s death, and maybe the self loathing and detachment from mainstream society bill might have felt led,to him wanting to ‘more important and respected and accepted’ by his knowledge about the crime, which eventually led to his conviction. I feel one of the unanswered questions was what was the involvement and knowledge of Bill’s partner.

[@jeepsthetimebandit]

Are you still thinking of covering the Stockport one?

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, just unsure when. It will be when we are near that area. Our diary very busy rest of year. 😊

[@jeepsthetimebandit]

@Vickie76 Yeah, I bet it is. I don't know how you do it all and work as well. I'm glad you do though. You're my favourite channel by far. 😊

[@jeepsthetimebandit]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie it gets me how you remember it all. The amount of research that goes into each story.

[@janetcw9808]

I'm sorry if I'm being dim here but how was Margaret/Bill transgender, had she had a hysterectomy then identified as a man? P.S. I'm with Vicky, and BTW NO hammer blows are acceptable, never mind "11 too many".

[@DaysofHorror]

Said she had sex change operation but we don't believe that was true as in them days cost alot of money and she had none. But she always liked to cross dress

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

It sounds like he may have been tending towards transgender identification before the operation. I very much doubt that a hysterectomy could turn someone transgender. He may have felt more free to identify as a male after such surgery, but people usually have a pretty longstanding pull or drive to identify with another gender before a transition. A dear friend is a transgender woman and has shared her very remarkable journey with me- she is finally her authentic self and is happy.

[@lorrainedalgleish7616]

​@@Lauriej117Thanks for that, I was getting a bit worried.

[@paulapratley5904]

A very interesting case, the punishment fits the crime in my opinion, one blow was one too many but 12 was completely insane , I think with all that was going on In Maggie/Bill’s body perhaps hormonal change took over. was there ever a drug to help with transgender then? Told with true compassion xx from Paula in Oxfordshire

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Aww thank you for saying that 😊

[@shirleybezuidenhout2724]

Once again wonderful and sensitive story told again by you Chris and Vicky. I agree with Vicky 12 blows to the head is incomprehensible. That sounds more like intentional to kill her. Very sad and tragic, whatever Bill was going through is sad 😢. May they both R.I.P. 🙏🙏🙏

[@DaysofHorror]

Many thanks Shirley.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Really appreciate your support as always 😊

[@sandragriffiths810]

My uncle George worked with maggy on the buses. She was a conductor and he was a driver.

[@sandragriffiths810]

I remember poodle dog Annie. My sister used to cut her hair, we lived on the same road.

[@DaysofHorror]

With stories like these, we would love to speak to people directly about them, sort of an interview style, to get other peoples perspectives of them. And especially with people who knew or, as your uncle once did, possibly worked with those which the stories are about.

[@sandragriffiths810]

@@DaysofHorror unfortunately most are deceased now. My sister went on to work in Tx and never came back. I only remember what I’ve already said. I’ve been waiting for you to do an episode on Maggy. Brilliant!

[@lesleyfield1954]

My uncle was a half timer with Bill. She had terrible menstrual problems at a very young age for the time. Usually girls started periods at about 14 - 16 but she was 11. My uncle used to take get home with him and my aunt would help her, her home life was wretched. I call Bill she because when she claimed to have had surgery it was a way of stopping the gossip - oh, that girl looks like a boy kind of thing. In retrospect she was a butch lesbian and in a small town being lesbian was worse than being thought of as trans. I grew up in a small town and I remember Mrs Joe and Bob who both looked like men and did a man's job. They were in the main accepted it was just some men who took against then because they weren't interested in them. Fragile macho egos I guess.

[@janetcw9808]

I have Always drunk pints of Guinness!!!

[@OzzieJayne]

The reason for few attending the funeral or signing the petition? "Don't get involved" was the law of the land, no one would freely sign anything back in the day, who could see your name and make something of it?! People kept their dates of birth secret, no one discussed politics unless they wanted to get into a fight, let alone tell who they'd voted for, society was seriously way more reserved than we can appreciate today. There would have been plenty behind doors who'd have cared but not in public. Nought to do with Bill being Bill, possibly a little, but the church still held sway on all matters including people's deportment in public, given that they'd just scraped through the 2nd disagreement the feeling was probably keep your head down and be thankful it's not you. Don't agree with the death penalty, it achieves nothing. Life imprisonment with no parole is a far more cruel punishment, a living death.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Good point, thanks for sharing with us all 😊

[@OzzieJayne]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie Thank YOU for a top quality channel that respects the dead xxx

[@StewartGately]

Really didn't need to be caught.Could and should have just kept very quiet and everybody would simply have thought it was a robbery. Did the hard work for the police.Sad case but I feel it was manslaughter.I hear what people say now about people born in the wrong body.To put up with all that would be hard.We are still too quick to judge people.They could have allowed him to be hung in men's clothes.Still works!

[@cheralynnemckee6228]

Reference to your video last year to the James trickett video it is possible to hang yourself from lower it's a actually a low hanging I actually know someone who passed using that method of suicide and also referring to the rupture he suffered from that's a hernia

[@dom5833]

Agree with Vikki. 12 blows of the hammer😮

[@DaysofHorror]

Thanks Dom from Vickie 👍

[@marksadventures3889]

A tragic story indeed. I've listened to all the evidence and I agree that given the circumstances hanging was an unsafe verdict. True, "Bill" had tried to cover up the murder even if it had been an unpremeditated killing it was the point of covering it up and attempting to cover it up; Had Bill gone directly to the police with a confession it would be manslaughter - killing in a rage, but the after thought to cover it up was to me the reason that Bill was cognisant of the crime - after the fact. I would have gone for a verdict of being committed to a mental health hospital for life, which to some may seem worse than hanging. As we now know the effects of hormonal imbalance and it's effects on mental stability we can see it differently - in 1948 it would be seen as a hanging offense as a warning to the community of such actions as well as the accepted way to dispose of a murderer, whatever gender they were. An interesting case, thanks for bringing it to our attention. On another topic, this morning I was awoken by a camera lighting light, flashing on and off. I got up and watched it for a whilst before making a brief video I put on KZbin of it. I was not sure if it had become faulty as it was in the off position - but flickered. You can see from the video. The room was quite warm as it is usually, it was half three this morning. Since the light has just stayed on - although the switch is in the off position - I take it to be a faulty appliance but in the dark of three - ish this morning, it was quite different to me.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks for sharing your thought process with us all Mark. Pls let us know your channel and then we can look atvthis video. Thx😊

[@marksadventures3889]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie Just click on my name and you will get the channel and content. And thanks for asking. I did a follow up video showing it was a faulty device too as a short. But I've had a few encounters of the other side in my lifetime. My Gran was a medium with the Greater World Spiritualist church and she had other more "traditional" beliefs. Thanks for your reply.

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

Yes sadly think the verdict was right- the severity of the attack not justified under any circumstances- as to her medical issues - the operation she had could that have been either a DandC or a hysterectomy? - being told she was in the change might have made her think she had had a sex change leading to her cross dressing maybe? We'll never know but a sad story all around- the insanity angle would never have stood due to the planning process post murder- she hid the body, put it in the road etc - all in all a waste of life on all sides- well done folks a really good job. X

[@DaysofHorror]

We can be honest and say we arent exactly sure when she began to crossdress. There is one photo we did use which does show her looking younger. Its online and she is wearing a hat. I think we added it to one community post last week. So she may have been dressing as a man before 1935 and the operation in Manchester. I'll try and find out for clarity.

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

​@@DaysofHorrorfair point- then maybe in her mind if she acted and dressed like a man the pain would go as she wasn't female anymore 🤔

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

​@@DaysofHorror👍

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

💯 Carol. Thanks for coming along each week to the premieres and always being a big supporter. Really appreciate it 😊

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

​@@Daysofhorror-vickieI enjoy your channel especially being out and about

[@keithfletcher5024]

What happened to the money that Nancy had in her hand bag?

[@DaysofHorror]

That's one thing we just couldn't find anything on. The only one article we found was Bill admitting she took the money. But where she placed it, we don't know. I'd think it was in her house, and the police would have found it, but we need to try and find more reports to be sure.

[@keithfletcher5024]

@@DaysofHorror Thanks for replingy,we enjoy your videos Vickie and Chris.

[@vintagetone22]

With all respect.but murder is murder.no excuse.sorry all .👍👍

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

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