The TREATY of ALGERON - Star Trek Explained

[@eddiefaccioni2453]

I was hoping for an episode where the admiral was put on trial. This would show that he had strong support for his point of view. The Romulans watching would threaten the Federation with war if they decided to abandon the Treaty of Algernon. This had the makings of a strong story arc. Too bad the writers never pursued it.

[@MackeyDeez]

I think the Federation should've never agreed to not develop cloaking technology as a stipulation of the Treaty of Algernon. It has strategically and tactically crippled the Federation since its signing.

[@JoeWaylo]

It was the only way to neutralize the Romulans after all. Either that or we begin an endless war with cloaked everybody and eventually the Federation discovers how to shoot the Romulan cloaked vessels despite that we could still detect them. Star Trek VI which was the only fired while cloak trick used and wasn’t used on Star Trek Nemesis with another fire while cloak.

[@PR--un4ub]

You don't know what the Federation gained in return.

[@manuelnunes1502]

@@PR--un4ub what did it gain?

[@kimpoy434]

@@manuelnunes1502 hundreds and thousands of destroyed ships

[@Nostripe361]

@@manuelnunes1502 I’ve heard a theory that the treaty might have had the Romulans agree to not research or produce genesis devices; the idea being a cloaked ship with one is a basic win button

[@structuralpotato]

The self replicating mines were used in the Bajor System a non signatory to the Treaty of Algeron who is not subject to limitations on cloaking technology.

[@jeremys3174]

Thank you. Was deployed by a federation ship BUT was designed by a ferengi working for the bajoran militia.

[@dojokonojo]

Starfleet and morally dubious admirals, name a more iconic duo.

[@UnimatrixOne]

Section 31

[@davidbaldwin9830]

Stupidest Treaty ever. So, the Romulans could Destroy any Federation planet they want to at any time they wanted to. We see all the way through Deep Space Nine and in the Movies that the Cloak is nearly 100% effective . No one would ever really sign a treaty like that unless they had an effective counter measure and the federation did not.

[@Slavir_Nabru]

Imagine for a moment if you will, the conditions of the treaty were reversed and the Romulans were prohibited from developing cloaking technology. During the Pegasus incident the Romulan crew of our hero D'deridex are spotted utilising a phase cloak by a Federation Galaxy class ship, would the commander tell the Feds their 'government will be contacted regarding the incident shortly' or would they say 'What? Cloaking device? No, this here is a phasing device, totally different thing! The fact that your sensors cannot detect us whiled phased is purely incidental'?

[@TheJadeFist]

"Thanks for letting us know your sensors are inferior."

[@dragonsword7370]

If it cloaks like a duck...

[@2bituser569]

Chase phasing and cloaking are different things.

[@kght222]

keep in mind that the treaty also means that the federation isn't looking at other political entities/states secretely using cloaking devices on their ships. it is a bit of diplomacy that extends beyond the romulans.

[@ReptilianLepton]

Except when they use "duck blinds" to creep on apparently pre-warp species, eh?

[@thomashill6347]

Another well done, insightful piece on an topic of major importance in the peace between two powers. Thanks for the deep dive.

[@james8449100]

Never understood why they did the experiments so close to roumlin space

[@dragonsword7370]

Wasn't it that the ship drifted over into the area it was found?

[@williammagoffin9324]

Got to test the system in the battlefield its likely to be used in. Never know if there is some region-wide phenomenon that renders if useless. This has actually happened in real life. At one point people though the Earth's magnetic field was more or less equal anywhere in the globe. The US Navy in WWII made torpedo detonators that exploited the distortion in the Earth's magnetic field a steel ship makes, except they only tested in off the US east coast. Well turns out the Earth's magnetic field varies depending on where you are. It took over a year for them to realize the reports of torpedo failures were caused by this faulty detonator that would have been discovered if they bothered to test them anywhere else in the world.

[@ThePointblank]

@@williammagoffin9324 Not just the USN had trouble; the British and the Germans also had trouble with their magnetic detonators in the war as well. The problems got really severe especially in the Northern latitudes; in the Norwegian Campaign, the Germans estimated that they could have easily sunk many more British warships had the magnetic detonators actually worked, among other issues with their torpedoes.

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

I never understand how people can hear something pronounced on screen, then still pronounce it wrong.

[@Windrose86]

Lore says the UFP side of the zone was lined with Gravitic sensor nets that could theoretically beat the Romulan cloak. Ergo if you're going to test a Federation cloak safely against your own navy that's where you'd do it. The alternative would be to test it against a hostile power. Much the same as our US Subs tested themselves against the SOSUS sonar nets in the Atlantic during the cold war. They didn't practice by parking themselves off the coast of murmansk.

[@FusionArmorX]

I think by STO's time, the Treaty is defunct and obsolete with the formation of the Alliance, as the three powers (Federation, Klingon, and Romulan) all share technology and ships with one another now, in-game it has even extended to uniforms with Romulan captains able to don full Starfleet or Klingon wear.

[@dragonsword7370]

That's true. After the hobus explosion destroyed romulus it would be assumed only the klingon treaty would control development and deployment of the devices. Since they both went to war it would be assumed cloaks were developed again for federation use.

[@Gunnar001]

FusionArmorX STO isn’t canon.

[@FusionArmorX]

@@Gunnar001 It isn't _alpha_ canon, you mean.

[@Gunnar001]

FusionArmorX No. it’s simply not canon. The only official canon are the films and TV shows. Licensed products like video games, novels, etc are not canon.

[@FusionArmorX]

@@Gunnar001 This is why we have the distinctions of Alpha and Beta canon in the Trek community. What you're describing is what we call Alpha canon.

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

A cloaked ship would be used to sweep through areas that would be otherwise unwise to go into. Seeking knowledge upon cultures and looking for elements to look into. Combat is not the only use of a cloak.

[@2bituser569]

Definitely true. The cloak could help a ship avoid a battle or allow the saucer section to escape undetected.

[@travisbrewer5391]

But what if the reason it is unwise to enter a region is due to natural phenomena? E.g. the Badlands, the Briar Patch, the Delphic expanse, etc. the cloaking device isn’t much help in these situations. Plasma storms and metreon gas don’t care if you’re cloaked.

[@Fish1701A]

Now, Romulus is gone, the treaty is gone. See Star Trek Online.

[@RiceWarrior34]

Why did Riker reference it in Ep 10 of Star Trek Picard when he came in to save the day? Not being snarky, generally curious.

[@RiceWarrior34]

@@HarleyQuinn-ol8ex Thank you for the explanation!

[@yukin1990]

and Ni'Var Exist, Federation Ship can cloak now!!! USS Discovery A Cloak

[@TheAgent0060]

Well, he's not wrong. Several Federation ships in STO have cloaking devices. All 3 of those blackish-bluish Intel ships have em, several of their escort class ships do too.

[@HHh-qe2ch]

@@yukin1990 discovery doesn't count.

[@williammagoffin9324]

It was the biggest mistake the Federation ever made. Romulan cloaks just got better and better till the Romulans were developing a class of warbirds that could destroy all life on a planet rapidly, the Scimitar class. A warship undetectable till it strikes means the Romulan Star Empire could strike first and end the war before it ever began. Thankfully the first ship of its classes was commanded by a madman who ignored his promises to the Romulan military who aided him in his coup to focus on a quest for revenge that got him killed and the ship destroyed. Fortunately for the Federation, Romulus fell victim to a tragic unexplained supernova (thankfully there is someone in the shadows willing to get their hands dirty looking out for the Federation's best interests).

[@creditsunknown7974]

Theres like, 31 reasons you shouldnt added add tjta last part

[@1who4me]

Nemesis isn’t canon please delete that movie from your brain

[@leeboy26]

How would having cloaking tech have helped the Federation against the Scimitar? The treaty was a tiny price to pay for 60 years of peace and Pressmen was a criminal.

[@williammagoffin9324]

@@leeboy26 Detteriance via a second-strike capability. If the Romulans know you have cloaked ships that could respond in kind to a first strike with say protomatter armed torpedoes against their homeworld they are not going to risk attacking first with a weapon that destroys entire planets. A survivable second-strike capability is a critical part of the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine, this is how we've achieved over 60 years of relative peace in the real world, in our case its with ballistic missile armed submarines that can hide anywhere in the ocean.

[@leeboy26]

@@williammagoffin9324 Really? so why didn't the Klingons attempt this during the decades long conflict with the Federation? They had cloaking devices too. Cloaks are limited in use due to detectability and the fact that they had an actual bird of prey with cloak thanks to Kirk. The peace brought by Algeron slowed Earth-Romulan hostility allowing later for an alliance against the Dominion that Earth sorely needed. Without it? Well, San Francisco just got settled by the Jem Hadar and now Humans are Dominion subjects.

[@dr666demento]

Subcommander T'rul only appeared in that episode. She was not seen again and no explanation was given.

[@0123mandatory]

That is T'rul E a mystery

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

She went bye-bye😂😂😂😂😜😜😜😜

[@Soliprem]

That treaty is the worst mistake ever made by the federation

[@Starflight_Miniatures]

That treaty has kept them at peace for 60 years!

[@Soliprem]

@@Starflight_Miniatures ueah, but they should have pushed for more, given that the Romulans broke the treaty first...

[@Starflight_Miniatures]

The federation is incapable of signing a favourable peace treaty, look at the mess with the cardassians

[@Soliprem]

@@Starflight_Miniatures good point, they should hire tge FCA to do those things

[@EP3mentalist]

Nah, that would be thinking they needed a time machine iron man ourfit, sorry, red angel suit with its magic crystal supplied by Galifreyans, sorry, Klingons, to escape Skynet, sorry, control when they already had the only existing mushroom drive, sorry, spore drive that could take them literally anywhere in the universe.

[@Marinealver]

You know, I sort of want to see the Orville poke fun at this. I can imagine at a negotiations for a treaty where the Krell (or other faction)states their demands for a "buffer zone" between their boundaries and the Union bans cloaking devices only for themselves only for Capt Mercer to flat out say NO and refuse as that would just give them more territory that they can use their cloaking device to control along with the lines "do you think we are stupid" with the opposing delegation answering "well, yes".

[@iamthewalls]

i'd use the cloak to take my crew on shore leave to risa without any pesky admirals nagging me about 'dereliction of duty'

[@negativezero3107]

The Admiral was right, Federation should never have agreed this this, Pressman was always right, they have since broken this treaty many times proving Pressman right, showing the short sight of the Federation, the Klingons would remind them of this.

[@Mac-mn4kc]

The reason why the Romulans allowed the Federation to place cloaked mines at the mouth of the wormhole was because the Dominion was about to invade the Alpha Quadrant which would have put the Romulan Empire at risk, so it was in the Romulans interests to allow the Federation to use cloaks in that way.

[@nateperkins9860]

Mac also they didn’t develop that technology, the Klingons did it with them so it wasn’t their cloaks which they developed

[@travisbrewer5391]

I also like the explanation that Bajor wasn’t yet a Federation member, and thus not subject to the treaty.

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

“The Romulans allowed…”??? Hell no!! The Romulans weren’t “allowed” to “allow” the Federation anything!! The Federation placed those cloaked mines, because they could. If the Romulans got into a snit about it, or were upset about it…too freaking bad!! After all, the Federation was the major super power in the Alpha Quadrant that the Dominion was focused on. They weren’t targeting the Klingons nor the Romulans. The Federation was the major power protecting EVERYONE from the Dominion threat. If if were up to me, & the Romulans began whining about anything, I’d be ever so happy to serve them up to the Dominion on a platter, &, let them fend for themselves.

[@jeanrenecarvalhocourcy1340]

One of my favorites episodes of TNG

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

After the cloaked minefield I always assumed that The Romulans had eased up during the war. They also allowed the Defiant to continue to use the loaned cloak without Romulan supervision. Maybe the treaty only included cloaking vessels? The deal in DS9 was it could only be used in the Gamma Quadrant. It was obviously used in the Alpha and Beta quadrant and you can't tell me the Empire didn't see it. The Tal-Shiar saw everything. I imagine they saw it was being used against the enemies of the Empire and not against the Empire itself.

[@Monody512]

I think the biggest shame about the cloaking prohibition is that Starfleet's large focus on the passive observation of pre-warp civilizations could greatly benefit from the use of cloaking technology.

[@harrypothead42024]

4:07 That is no Romulan! He is a disguised Dukat!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Ive always thought this treaty was nonsense, thinking the Federation gave up far too much in it... However, it IS possible that the Federation gave up cloaking devices, and in return the Romulans gave up Plasma Torpedo weapons, since we don't see them use them in TNG...

[@kght222]

it meant to other powers in the beta and alpha quadrants that the federation wasn't secretly running ships in their space, and led to several new treaties through good faith.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@kght222 Sure that's possible, but there's nothing in canon to support a statement like that... It could have been 1 of 100s of explanations... We simply do not know enough about the Treaty, the circumstances surrounding it or the Romulan Empire in general to make that sort of statement!

[@kght222]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios if you think about how diplomacy works, lots of things go unsaid. other powers in the alpha and beta quadrants would know. the fact that the federation didn't use that technology would be a boon to their diplomacy elsewhere, and while i can't site specific examples off of the top of my head, even the klingons respected it. it became a part of federation reputation that they would not deal in subterfuge or stealth, but be forthright and honest. something that has been already building, but was just reinforced by this treaty.

[@kght222]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios don't get me wrong though, its pure head cannon

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@kght222 And that's exactly my point, it's just a theory... But if you think about it, by the 24th Century, I doubt Starfleet had a rep of people thinking "gee they're sneaky and so we dont want to join," Now it's always been implied in Trek that the Federation beats or is stronger then the Empire. So to say that the Romulans came to the table demanding the Feds never develop a cloak would be kind of strange... It's more likely the Federation said OK so you want us not to have the cloak, though many other races already have and use that tech, then THIS is what YOU have to give up... And that's really the question, what did the Romulans give up for the treaty?

[@tdrewman]

I always thought this was a bad treaty and agreed with Admiral Preston. The Romulans were always running around in Federation Space cloaked and lets not forget that cloaked Romulans ships jumped Enterprise C.

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

I agree with you on that

[@joepullin]

About that phased cloak, could you still use the ability to phase through things without having to become invisible? Also, the Feds did find a way around the treaty, use holograms.

[@canisblack]

The treaty provision restricting the use of cloaking devices on Federation ships and bases is a good one and one I don't mind the Federation agreeing to. The real sticker and the one that makes the Admiral RIGHT is the one that restricts the research into cloaking technology. That basically hamstrings the Federation's ability to defend against cloaked attacks and is intended purely to preserve the RSE's ability to both first and deep strike into Federation territory with impunity. Given that the Romulans, for all their faults and failures, are never portrayed as stupid it's likely that in the event of a war breaking out with the Federation their declaration of war would be several battle fleets decloaking and opening fire on critical Federation facilities and planets.

[@dan_ryuga]

I don't think the treaty still be in effect since: 1. They signed the treaty with Romulan Star Empire, not the Romulan Republic and since the Romulan Empire is no more the treaty is all but void. Federation: We can create cloaking technology for Starfleet. Romulan Republic: Our treaty states you are not to develop cloaking technology! Federation: Your treaty was with the Romulan Star Empire which no longer exist.

[@matthewday7565]

Ordinary cloaking = can't be seen... Phased cloak = can't be seen, can't be stopped, can't be hit = probably can't use your own weapons either, as they would be out of phase (like the one Geordi and Ro had, when the Romulans had a mishap with phasing)

[@captainrgd1565]

Does every bad Admiral have to be in Section 31?

[@Canoby]

How do you think they got to be Admirals to begin with? Jim Kirk was a fluke, and they busted him back to Captain ASAP

[@FrauIndian]

NO. Dr. McCoy (DeForrest Kelley) who made a cameo (retired) in the TNG pilot epsiode was an admiral. He would not have ever joined 31

[@Canoby]

@@FrauIndian OK he's a fluke too... but look at what a douche Riker turned into in the future in All Good Things.

[@andrewarias1673]

I agree 100%. I liked the concept of S31 in DS9 but I hate how their introduction spurred this retconning of every evil Starfleet Officer now being a member.

[@mrbojangles8133]

they don't have to be, but assholes do tend gravitate there

[@JustinSIsTank]

By the time of the Pegasus incident, the Treaty of Algeron should have been considered null-and-void, in my opinion. By that point, the Romulan Star Empire had backed the Duras family in the Klingon Civil War, effectively installing their own shadow-Chancellor as leader of a key Federation ally. In addition, the Empire schemed to capture (assassinate?) a Federation Ambassador and capture a key member of the Federation, whether via shadow government or outright conquest. Why was the Treaty of Algeron still considered a viable document after the year 2368 (the in-universe date of the TNG episode "Unification")?

[@jdb2002]

Which Defiant was used in the battle against the Borg Cube in First Contact? If it was the second one, then that one had a Cloaking Device, since one member of the crew suggested cloaking.

[@EternalSaber]

You would think that the treaty would be nullified when Romulus was destroyed.

[@travisbrewer5391]

It was

[@jakelogan2342]

Personally, the only true way to handle a treaty like that is make it completely invalid. I'd take a cloaking device and sell manufacturing rights to the Ferengi, along with a small kickback from per-unit sales, of course :)

[@richardgadberry8398]

My opinion on the treaty: Starfleet gives up all cloaking devices in exchange for the Romulans returning to the Federation a number of key systems and, perhaps, data on all Federation vessels that disappeared in the Neutral Zone.

[@collinsdarkwa281]

Very interesting

[@lonniewhite3905]

That technology should have been developed if another reason for scientific purposes think of the possibilities in the study the inside of a star

[@dragonsword7370]

Cloaking tech changed the design & development of ships strategically. Without the use of cloaks you need beefier & more powerful shields to stand against fast attacks whereas most cloakeable ships designed in the empire's that have used them for Years seem to be alittle more geared for damage and not survivability. This is more in general practice than the actual rule though.

[@swallace7447]

The biggest in canon use I can think of for violating it is if Voyager developed one to get home safer. I have to imagine with all the stuff they DID create a cloaking device would have been easy.

[@swallace7447]

@Chidi Akara oh I absolutely agree. If for no other reason but to understand how to counter them.

[@D2SProductions]

The Romulan Star Empire is the governmental body the Federation signed the Treaty of Algeron with, the Romulan Star Empire no longer exists or at the very least is no longer recognized by the Federation, so the Treaty of Algeron should be null and void. The Romulan Republic is not the Romulan Star Empire, they are completely different factions of the Romulans, the remnants of the Romulan Star Empire are simply referrred to as the Tal Shiar, also not the Romulan Star Empire, though they claim to be such. I think if the Romulan Republic demands that the Federation continue to honor the Treaty of Algeron with them that is evidence in my opinion that they have less than scrupulous intents for wanting the Federation to continue to honor such a one-sided treaty that not only gives the Romulans a huge advantage over the Federation but all over military forces with cloaking technology as well. And my opinion is that if the Romulan Republic wants the Federation to continue to honor the Treaty lf Algeron it's all the more reason not to, so the Federation should immediately cut off all aid to the Romulan Republic and dissolve the Treaty of Alergon.

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

My thoughts exactly

[@pioneer_1148]

Given the power of the phased cloaking devise I don’t understand why the federation would not use this, together with their position of greater power to renegotiate the treaty.

[@icecold9511]

Or whip it out during the Dominion war. But it would be so OP that the war would be a joke

[@DirkPiddlemark]

I would use a cloaking device to get Roberto's Tacos

[@yukin1990]

Well ......you can circumvent the Treaty of Algeron by making Romulan and Vulcan reunified and become Federation member state!!!!!!!!XD

[@durasaxon6504]

There is nobody or no-one I ever heard or listened to that has as much knowledge about the Star Trek universe as yourself. Didn't the *Ferengi* come across a *Cloaking Device* and or a *Warbird* and tried to use it in battle or in other instances Including sale or trade? I am sure the treaty did not cover the Ferengi. Many years ago a friend gifted me of the book entitled; 'The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition' Might their come a time where you might cover the 'Rules of Acquisition' in their entirety? In what years and under what conditions was: the Vulcan Homeworld, the Klingon Homeworld and possibly the Romulan Homeworld destroyed? Finally, I believe you have an amazing analytical mind. When do you believe the human race will have *Warp Drive* capabilities and when do you believe that the first visitation of Mars and the ensuing colonization of Mars take place (Approx. decade). I believe that is enough questions for you at this time. Thank you for your enlightening information concerning the Star Trek universe. 🎇 *Richard* 🍀 *Live long and prosper*

[@2bituser569]

Pegasus was written to explain away why ufp didn’t have cloaking tech. It doesn’t explain why they never developed it in the 2260s or 2280’s after capturing a Romulan and Klingon cloaking devices. After seeing the Sulliban cloaking device R&D should have developed a cloaking device way before Kirk’s time.

[@2bituser569]

With the supernova in the prime verse of Star Trek 2009 there is no Romulus or Remus anymore so doesn’t that nullify the treaty restrictions.

[@travisbrewer5391]

It does.

[@2bituser569]

@@travisbrewer5391 Then Riker references the treaty in ST Picard.

[@jsldj]

"Peace is not the absence of conflict."

[@TroySeward]

Another great video. I wish Star Trek would explore more on the Romulans.

[@SC-mq1eh]

ummm star trek picard?

[@joeclaridy]

This is what happens when explorers make military decisions that effects interstellar treaty obligations. I don't understand how the Federation would make a decision that would militarily compromise itself especially when Romulan compliance has been suspect.

[@2bituser569]

I liked the episode Pegasus but crappy knowing Riker was ruining the Ent series finale in the holodeck.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

Obviously I would use a cloaked ship to sow terror.

[@FLJuJitsu]

I would have used it to look at naked girls.

[@kurthkovacevic5327]

Script error, Riker was a helsman during his time on the Pegasus not a first officer.

[@kenjario8051]

It was intended to mean he was first officer at the time of The Pegasus episode, not at the time he was serving with Pressman, as stated just before as a young Ensign 😊

[@kurthkovacevic5327]

@@kenjario8051 there inte to meant, but when doing an audio/video presentation it's good to be grammatically correct. So trekkies like us won't have to correct ppl or leave error msgs

[@holyhelga]

if federation would have been allowed to develop cloakes openly then voyager would have had a cloak and it would probably have made its journey alot easier

[@JustAnNPC69]

Is the treaty still active after the destruction of Romulus?

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

Nope

[@mikeb53]

USS Defiant. "Tough little ship"

[@lelonfurr1200]

RYKER WAS AN ENSIGN NOT FIRST OFFICER SORRY FOR CAPS

[@SomeSmexyBeast]

im scared and confused! i also dont know what to comment, but i wanted to give one

[@Ketwolski]

More like the Treaty of Alderaan, amirite?

[@tallsmile28]

The Federation should not have to follow this outdated law any longer their star has gone supernova.

[@TrekCentral]

Though it was referenced in Picard Episode 10 👀

[@unholywarrior9007]

But the time travel in the new movies. Is there even a treaty

[@Hapokas112]

That is a diffirent timeline.

[@pioneer_1148]

Why was the phased cloak never used in the Dominion war - I know it is so ridiculously OP that it would have allowed the federation to kick the dominion’s ass within a few days. But it is a massive plot hole that is never addressed.

[@woohooboy]

One can only assume that the technology was not as stable as it should have been. Mind you, with the Federation and Romulans becoming allies during the Dominion conflict, one would have assumed that both governments would have combined their resources to develop this technology but alas it didn't happen.......

[@SmilingNinja]

It was experimental technology that could go wrong the same way it did on board the Pegasus. It worked for the Enterprise momentarily since they exhausted all options to leave the asteroid safely, but the crew was pretty cautious of its use and perhaps if they had used it for a moment longer, it could have malfunctioned and destroyed the Enterprise.

[@thereallantesh]

Any government that agrees to not develop a technology as part of a treaty is lying. We see this in real life all the time. This was a great episode, and honestly Pressman was right. He handled the entire situation very badly, which of course is because the writers made him out to be the bad guy. In real life though you of course covertly develop any technology that will give you an advantage. To not do so is ignorant, and a huge mistake.

[@douglaswarden2584]

This was the S.T.N.G. episode based on the Philadelphia Experiment.

[@alcibiadesW]

The biggest problem with this episode comes at 0:05, where Picard proclaims "That treat has kept us in peace for 60 years." I know the writers were crap at continuity, but how could they have forgotten their own two-part episode "Unification"? That's the one they made such a big deal about, since it had Leonard Nemoy. For anyone who's forgotten, the Romulans launch an invasion of Vulcan. It is only called off, AFTER HE ROMULAN INVASION FORCE HAS ALREADY SET OUT, because they lost the element of surprise. The treaty died with that attempted invasion. No one could realistically think they were still at peace with the Romulans. We have no indication there was a change in the Romulan government. So the people who wanted this invasion were still in charge. From then on, it could only be a cold war. One with the threat of going hot. When word reached Starfleet that Pressman had developed a Federation cloaking device, there would be celebrations. Picard would have been court marshalled for what he did here.

[@CedarHunt]

It's true, the moment the Romulan invasion fleet was found within Federation space is the moment the treaty would have been considered to be completely void.

[@dimi1326]

Stupidity runs in the DNA of Federation officers.....why the frak would you test such a device next to the romulans instead of as far as possible?

[@rzgrimes]

Of course, this was before Admiral Pressmen survived a plane crash from Sydney to Los Angeles, thus correcting his paralysis and confinement to a wheel chair.

[@ussvoyager8650]

I would violate the treaty 2 build a fleet of Akira class Starships with cloaking devices & attack the Romulans

[@thecorrective4246]

Algeron is pronounced Aljeron...check your source material please

[@BEW419]

I had to stop the video, too many things mispronounced.

[@Ashannon888]

Wrong and right. It entirely depends on where you live. Some places pronounce it with a harder g and some with the soft g. Both are correct as they are cultural variances.

[@thecorrective4246]

@@Ashannon888 there are original names and their pronunciation cannot be changed by region or dialect.

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

Exactly

[@Leaglestalon]

I believe that in the movie "star trek first contact" the Defiant had it's stealth ability intact when it went against the Borg cube. That would be considered another time I doubt the Romulons would argue about it's use outside the said agreement.

[@KonElKent]

Pressman is right...

[@colecovey7623]

This was after the best of both worlds why did the they not keep it to use against them ? Why did the Defiant not have this it was ment for the Borg ? Why have them in in it ? They could have had mines enty where and it would have not matter with the Pegasus go through enty thing device. Kind dumb on Federations part

[@richconner6389]

Wonder if the treaty is still valid with the destruction of Romulus?

[@alakani]

*starts running toward you with bat'leth* AGHHHHHHH INVERSE SQUARE LAW!!!!!! AND SUPERNOVA SHOCKWAVES DON'T GO THAT FAST!!! FUKKAYOOOOOOO JJ, NEEDS MORE LENS FLARES

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

Nope

[@alejandrobecerro5434]

EXECUTE picard, riker, laforge, worf!!!! ALMIRAL PRESSMAN IS A HEROE TO THE TERRAN EMPIRE

[@chrisgenson2278]

Why would you ever need to turn a ship invisible? Paint it black (or install some sort of active camouflage system on the hull) and install the best stealth tech you've got. Then focus on breaking through the stealth tech of the enemy.

[@havoc3742]

I am Disappoint, during this entire video, you mentioned, at no point in time at all, the USS Incursion and how it relates to the Treaty

[@PrinceAnakin]

The fedration Spyship USS INCURSION NX-74808 DEFIANT VALIENT IN STAR TREK AWAYTEAM IS MY ALL TIME FAVE PC GAME RPG THE SHIP USES HOLOCLOAK WITH NORMAL MODE OR MASC MODE MAKES THE INCURSUON TAKE ON SHAPE OF ANY VESSAL KNOW DATABASE TO FOOL ANYONE FOR ANY GIVEN UNTIL ITS IN AND OUT TACTIC.

[@diamondeye75]

Looks like Starfleet got the crap end of that deal. Klingons and Romulans can use cloak, just not Starfleet.

[@mrbojangles8133]

human society with tech different from others more like terran empire but no mirror stuff they kept out of peoples way but do sneak about in cloaked or even captured ships, this I think would make a fascinating entity

[@pilotbartramnon-flyingvide7684]

you kind of forgot about the bases having cloaking technology. the ones used to observe world before warp development.

[@williamsquires3070]

No, those use holographic technology like the holodeck, just larger. Thus, it’s not a treaty violation.

[@Arklay_98]

It’s the dumbest treaty in the Star Trek.

[@ManaDrain315]

Yeah, no way the Federation would give up on developing a technology that could give such a tactical advantage, especially if several enemies already had access to it.

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

Yup

[@patsyfreeman8133]

I wonder that now the romulan star empire and there homeworld gone now allows tje federation to usw cloaking technology now.

[@matts1166]

Romulus is gone, but the Empire might still remain. After all, if a terrorist Nuked Washington DC there would still be a United States. Likely the Empire is drastically reduced in power, and likely dependent on neighbors.

[@colinp2238]

I can't see that this makes any sense.

[@TheAgent0060]

The treaty only affects ships. Star Trek Insurrection the FEDs have cloaking suits

[@gareth82]

We know all this.... Tell us something different

[@danlamoreaux742]

I'd go pirate, cloak, enter Romulan space and set about stealing as much Romulan Ale as my cargo holds can carry. Then I'd retire on the profits.

[@SmilingNinja]

Or get really wasted... like 10x worse than the senior officers of the Enterprise after dinner with Gorkon

[@robinavalyn9513]

I've always thought that Star Fleet & The Federation made a good choice, here. Is there a better way to demonstrate to beings who expect treachery that you do not have hostile intentions? Leave them with a perceived advantage, perhaps? Maybe the answer to that is explored in ST: Discovery with the Klingons & their attitude towards "We come in peace." Or in ST: The Undiscovered Country, The Federation seen as a "homo sapiens only club." Good analysis! Gets me thinking.

[@LordtwigPI]

The treaty only stands in one quadrant.

[@LordtwigPI]

The Delta Quadrant is free game.

[@ModelsExInferis]

I'd travel planet to planet rescuing endangered species and resettle them on other... Actually, scrub that, I'd just "remove" the threat! 😈 I've still got that TNG game! Nothing to play it on (emulators exist, I know, I know!) but I'm not getting rid of it.

[@matthewmccoll185]

I always wondered why they federation was able to use cloaks on research stations observing the native populous. Shouldn't that be a part of the treaty?

[@darkreaper8859]

Those are holograms used to hide planet side research facilities that could easily be detected by ships in space.

[@davidrobertson5700]

A ga mem non , lol

[@wompastompa3692]

UFoP

[@justinrodriguez5695]

That treaty made no sense

[@alexrule6654]

Its a bit unfair that the romulans got to keep their cloaking devices

[@andrewmonument8847]

WHY do we need ANYONE'S explanation... Just quit the 'introduction' and show the damn video !

[@SC-mq1eh]

remember when trek wasnt about conflict, dark and devoid of corruption....yeah neither do i

[@stevemcqueen7735]

Trek was always about conflict of one type or another. A story with no conflict isn't a story. TOS did it best.

[@keitht24]

The treaty makes no sense. The Federation literally surrendered a major tactical advantage. What did the Federation get out of it?

[@matthewmccoll185]

Peace, the U.F.P. values that

[@keitht24]

@@matthewmccoll185 Peace by surrendering a major tactical advantage is suicide. The U.S. & Soviet Union agreed to mutual nuclear disarmament. Meaning both countries agreed to a reduction in nuclear arms. This treaty would equivalent to the U.S. not developing nuclear weapons while allowing the Russians to develop them.

[@matthewmccoll185]

@@keitht24 Yes, Exactly you still need to look at my original statement. The us and Russia do not want peace. never have. The federation DOES

[@keitht24]

@@matthewmccoll185 The US & Russia never had a direct war. But when they made disarmament treaties. There were agreements for both nations to disarm. The treaty of Aljernon does none of those things.

[@matthewmccoll185]

@@keitht24 It is a very simple concept. Peace means something to the federation, You seem to have the inability to grasp that is IS something to them. Where you see peace as having 0 value to them it might as well be a million tons of dilitium, do you understand that peace is not nothing to them yet. THEY WANT PEACE IT HAS VALUE PEACE IS SOMETHING NOT NOTHING TO THE U.F.P.

[@Soliprem]

I would probably steal intresting tech if the proprietaries are too prptective of then and thst is the last resort

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

Discovery is like a bull in the china shop that is canon/continuity. Fitting that you tossed that mention in with the "extended" material. They also overused and jacked up Section 31 worse than Voyager did to the Borg.

[@terryrose4804]

Hey, voice over guy. You say the end of a show is a "final." It is pronounced "finalE." English lesson for the English. Sheeesh!

[@TrekCentral]

Not the end of the world really.... - Jack

[@terryrose4804]

@@TrekCentral You don't know Jack!

[@TrekCentral]

I do ;)

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

Jack, the word Algeron is pronounced “Al-Jer-On”, not “Al-Gher-On”. I’m just saying

[@josephmckeon8702]

TOS episode The Enterprise Incident, Starfleet sends Captain Kirk to steal a cloaking device from a Romulan ship. Starfleet has had a cloaking device since 2260's. Well before 2311.

[@ThePorpoisepower]

Top misuse of cloaking technology: Extensive surface scans of Risa

[@TrekCentral]

Oh myyyy