The Treaty of Versailles: decided by YOU

[@Videntis.History]

Sign up for the Treaty of Saint-Germain: forms.gle/wDwBtBpMo4b57kcR6 Discord: discord.gg/aKttKmVtvc

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Keep up the good 🔥🔥

[@sagittariusa7662]

Stop giving me timeouts on your discord. I'm your freaking blood related cousin as a fellow Pole and you favor people no where near as related to you, completely obnoxious and spend zero time saying anything constructive or intelligent at all. I try either of these things (fitting in or trying to give you content) and I end up in timeout.

[@Videntis.History]

@@sagittariusa7662 if you @ me on discord, it auto times you out. Whats your username?

[@Backfyre08]

Count me in.

[@gavinshultz443]

@@Videntis.Historywhat day does it start?

[@khalidshubbar6911]

The Italian Diplomat walking around Viercilles and popping into conversations saying "Do you support London?" And then leaving after he gets a yes is funny to me. Germany got recked

[@saadchoudhry4517]

Italy collecting the entente stones for the treaty of London

[@TLodberg1]

Just wait, Italy will gather all the London Stones for the Rome Gauntlet.

[@lexi1031]

I love how Italy has just been collecting promises to get the treaty of London

[@iljoker4697]

And obviously italy will be betrayed like in irl, and the great bald dude will go to power (ironic because the meme of thanos)

[@Rofflestomper]

Italy was on a quest to get the **international stones** for their *Fuck Austria Gauntlet*

[@thenamesianna]

"We in Belgium think this is funny"

[@Xxx_SpEgOrY_xxX]

"That's... great, Belgium"

[@pandawastaaken]

@@Xxx_SpEgOrY_xxXGermany was so salty I thought it was funny

[@eclements99]

I gotta respect the French grind this episode I’m 30 minutes in and Rhineland just became independent and they are freaking out about that. I’m excited for next 20 minutes!

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

Good to know, that I have made the video more interesting for you

[@perturbedbatman2009]

“Italy, why are you making all these promises to other nations in exchange for being backed up?” “Let me tell you a story of a beautiful empire called Rome…”

[@Videntis.History]

roma invicta

[@masscreationbroadcasts]

The French really has Le Accent, hon hon hon !

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

Yeah it was me

[@Titouan25]

We never say "hon hon hon"

[@LadyKieraHaze]

@@Titouan25 Oui oui of course! Hon hon hon!

[@masscreationbroadcasts]

@@Titouan25 the several French which I know would disagree. 🤌

[@n00b5lay3r]

I think it is just the French way like in Spanish it is "jajaja" ​@@Titouan25

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

The accent of the french was the best part😂😂😂😂😂

[@zwilder1]

it was unbearable lol

[@sagittariusa7662]

America: "If Germany loses the Rhineland, you lose Brittany." France: "Then you lose Puerto Rico." America: "This is about you not me." France: "Then why are you reacting?" America: "Because?" *Storms off having a REEE moment.* *Edited* America had failed to realize France was playing 4D chess while America was still thinking the game was checkers.

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

As the french player this result takes many negotiations and time to calculate every possibility, to create a french perfect world

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

​@erangon66bakirleo60 france should have pointed out that if Brittany had a right of self determination so should the afro american population in the south (new afrika)

[@Constantin-d6r]

I as a German actually think that this (if taken somewhat serious to be a treaty for a better world) is just a complete outrage from the french side. Also the thing of Denmark retaking historical danish territory which now is german has no background. Do you seriously think that all turks in Anatolia should be part of Greece, seeing as its historical greek Territory? Shouldn’t Germany be able to regain Alsace and Lorraine, as it used to be German before France frenchified it. Do you want all European in America to leave so that all indigenous could regain historical territory? Where do you draw a line? I mean seeing as Germany was treated, there is no wonder it turned facist, as any country with national pride would under these circumstances. I want to clarify that I condemn all kinds of facism, but under the pretext of a better Europe, having kinds of cooperation as we have in the modern day just seems plain out wrong to me. All of you french nationalists playing like they are just and make their decisions based on European corporations and a better Europe I don‘t know what to tell you.

[@Constantin-d6r]

@@Daniel-jm7ts Then America should have said, that they are a multinational state and that while they’re at it, why lets not just give independence to your entire colonial empire? I suppose those africans would also prefer their own state.

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

@Constantin-d6r I think germany should have just accepted the proposed federalisation since it would be fair to the legitimate concerns of the catholic rhinish people. France and the rhine land where right in pointing out how germany in reality was just a greater prussia with heavy favoritism towards protestants. Let's not forget that the rhineland never volunteered to be a prussian province but instead they where given as a means to strength prussia after the Congress of Vienna. Federalism in Germany would have prevented those historic injustices (like Kulturkampf or the oppression of minorities like poles or Danes) and it would have ironically preserved post WW1 germanies territorial sovereignty since the great powers wouldn't have had the excuse to split of Germany lands in the pretext of protecting minorities (as was the case in the video)

[@Randomalpharius-]

As an Italian, i thank the Italian diplomat for being so good in gaining the 6 London Stones for the London Gauntlet to finally obtain the Treaty of London’s territories

[@benisign]

It's absolutely fascinating how these critters do diplomacy. Discord truly is magical

[@RealPolishPatriot]

" You either help a man, or break a man " this qoute is the reason this peacedeal couldn't go into place / would create much more tension then the original treaty did

[@swiss6754]

Rhineland: "I thank the delegations who supported me and my right to self determination" America: "You're getting embargoed"

[@hyobs_]

This had me in tears not gonna lie

[@TLodberg1]

Sub, Denmark here. Yes, I know, most of the real life Danish delegates just wanted the Danish majorety lands, but I was asked to try to get as much as possible in the name of the King. This was the second attempt by the way, I got the Kiel canal the first go around. Fun fact, the Danish vote was the only one with more than 90% approval. (France did not have votes, so 100% was not possible).

[@kiankier7330]

good work, For Fædrelandet

[@Nik-nc4xb]

Sådan🇩🇰

[@Sirvalian]

That was the rightful territory though, the Danish claim is a lot more valid than the Polish at least.

[@Constantin-d6r]

Well, I as a real-life German believe, that a such solution wouldn‘t be a good decision. And that not just of sheer nationalism. Denmark integrating German territory up to the Kielkanal would just lead to the German public getting more radical, with perhaps earlier and stronger N*zi support and I would bet my money on the fact, that the newly gained territories of Denmark would be hard to govern without integration. Denmark (as the German player summed up pretty well) would only annex German territory, to have it, gain national prestige or something like that. There is indeed a reason, that the Danish King of our timeline didn‘t want to annex millions of Germans.

[@kiankier7330]

@Constantin-d6r what millions? South Slesvig were one and a halve million post ww2, (so a bit lower in 1920) and that were both Germans, danes and Frisians (before a million germans from the east get dump there)

[@helixasaurusrex4339]

29:24 *Serious diplomatic infighting and major issue* Belgium: "This is funny" ABSOLUTE GOAT

[@thenamesianna]

We need the Italian diplomat as our new foreign minister 😅😂😂😂

[@andysierra1618]

Versailles was at the same time too harsh and not harsh enough. I don't remember who said it but i heard that when you have defeated your enemy you should either finish him or reconcile with him, otherwise he will be coming for vengeance

[@Shayrin2]

No one has ever been quoted saying this to my knowledge. The closest you'll find is Machiavelli "If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." Obviously the sentiment is common, and can be found in Napoleon and Bismarck.

[@andysierra1618]

@Shayrin2 Thanks, I knew I heard something similar somewhere

[@Sirvalian]

@@Shayrin2 You answered it yourself, it was Machiavelli, it's the same meaning.

[@Constantin-d6r]

Yeah, but a such revengeful peacedeal would (atleast in this case) lead to ultranationalist sentiments to skyrocket all throughout Germany even quicker and more widely spread than in our timeline and would lead to maybe not millions more French, but Germans dying, which would in return just lead to more instability in not just Europe but atleast the USA to, with their big German minority areas and would pretty much in total just destabilize the entire world. A treaty, atleast as fair as in our timeline, if not even more lenient, with a little more oversight from the entente powers could have resulted (longterm) in a proto-European Union, keeping world war 2 as limited as possible, saving millions of lives.

[@n00b5lay3r]

It is the 15th Law of Power. "Crush your enemy totally"

[@Bri.ishMan_Editz]

It’s crazy ironic that America sees a nation in a situation they were in like 150 years ago and says they will starve them out 😭🙏

[@WilliamFlea]

Gotta sustain the status quo :)

[@andysierra1618]

The Renish separatists are just larpers

[@rotomfan63]

@@WilliamFlea Only the status quo or worse unless they finally annoy them enough to do the right thing, truly the American way. Also the point France made to America about self determination is so accurate, see also them support Italy's claims in Dalmatia.

[@splashnskillz37]

Right

[@SockVader]

The french delegate made french dreams come true! It was so funny to see the americans brits so pissed that they embargoed a Neutral nation🤣

[@Toumahitoedits]

Germany: We're so cooked ☠️

[@Constantin-d6r]

Yeah, German here, all the entente and Germans neighbors have done so far is aid ultranationalism in Germany, as the German economy will completely collapse after the stock market crash as Germany is even more reliant on American aid and would definitely succumb to fascism. So this really doesn’t achieve any good for the world. Maybe a weaker Germany leads to a quicker less devastating World War 2, but even still this peace treaty would be one of the biggest mistakes in history. Big F for realism of a actually better World.

[@ScuffTuff]

I love whoever played Italy in this. He was so damn funny while also achieving Italy’s goals and keeping everything lighthearted.

[@tyran7269]

I like the US embargoing the rhine when it doesn't have direct access to the sea (except with rivers through other countries) and thus can't easily trade with US anyway. Doing this will only reinforce rhine dependency on their trade with neighbours and bring them even closer to french sphere. Plus Rhineland will still be able to purchase American goods through one of their neighbours. By the looks of it a lot of europe recognise it's sovereignty except of course UK and Germany.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the uk, america and germany were the rhineland's biggest trade partners IRL. all of them being upset with the rhineland is a BIG deal. abandoning them is the equvilient of a company upsetting its core audience to chase the mythical modern audience.

[@Videntis.History]

like this if this was worse!

[@thomaslewandowski3724]

As a french, my représentant was quite good !

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

@@thomaslewandowski3724 as the french player, I'm honoured from this word

[@dutchmapping163]

Too bad my (the Netherlands) trade and custom's union was rejected on the basis of the Rhineland existing. Could have been beautiful...

[@kiankier7330]

danmark til ejderen.. We have avenged 1864, and getting the historical southern border of Denmark back

[@andysierra1618]

Not even Denmark wanted that land in real life😂

[@Rofflestomper]

@@andysierra1618ehh it’s the thought that counts

[@TLodberg1]

@@andysierra1618 You are right, but I was to try and gain as much as I could for the King.... I got land along the Kial canal and the city the first go around and I did not want to risk getting it again here.

[@Danish_Waffle]

We have avenged the humiliation of 1864! Længe leve Danmark!

[@Lumos123-]

@@TLodberg1Yeah but this land is very bad for denmark because getting so many Germans that almost half of our population becomes german destabilizes the country. How to govern it, there will be people who will try anything against Denmark and we will become a important target of a future Germany.

[@Saphire2488]

Portugal here, I may have not gotten Willy on Madeira but just wait for Eastern Europe and Africa, it’ll be epic

[@BonaparteRestorationist3231]

Femch player did a masterclass in diplomacy in this episode. A great vicotey for peace in europe and catholic brotherhood!

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

@@BonaparteRestorationist3231 I'm honoured hearing your word, I was the french player

[@singingphysics9416]

11.04 "We had no choice but to make some choices that maybe shouldn't have been made if we had the choice" 🤣🤣🤣

[@candidur1170]

It annoys me how you don’t have more subscribers you’re so good.

[@fandemusique4693]

Foch said his famous quote because he saw it as far too weak, I hate how people willfully ignore that point.

[@Videntis.History]

wdym?

[@fandemusique4693]

@Videntis.History how it's interpreted by pro germans and blame shifters as an argument to their "poor Germany was treated unfairly".

[@n00b5lay3r]

​@@Videntis.History15th Law of Power, "Crush your enemy totally". Had the Entente broken up Germany there would most likely not have been a fascist Germany to plunge the world into WW2. But history is history all we can do is speculate.

[@Constantin-d6r]

@@fandemusique4693 Well Germany was treated unfairly at least to the German population. Perhaps the treaty of our timeline wasn‘t to harsh, but then when Germany begun getting unstable, they should have done more to help the Weinar Republic, as a friendly Germany should have been the Entente’s number one priority for a „Everlasting peace in Europe“ because Germany was the continently most powerful state in all of Europe and their potential to start another world war was pretty obvious. And cutting of the Rhineland of Germany, would only lead to Germany‘s economy to collapse even more following the stock market crash. Millions more Germans dying because of a small minority separatist group wanting independence should not be blandished.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@fandemusique4693 it was way harsher than the way france was treated either in 1870 or 1815, despite germany being less to blame than france in either of those wars, and doing relatively less damage than the french in 1815 and haveing an actual army in the field unlike the french in 1815 or 1870 AND had only agreed to peace negotiations on the condition of the 14 points, which were thrown out straight away. germany was treated unfairly, they were lied to about what the treaty signing was going to be, and they were unfairly punnished given the established president. in what way were they treated fairly?

[@robertcbarry]

I do hope this was only Part 1 because there is still many other issues to be discussed, Poland for a start, reparations and military restrictions for another, possibly Bavarian autonomy, Danzig, and Silesian Separtism

[@snozate]

a video of videntis and posible history ! what a great day

[@Videntis.History]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@bigsuwu]

Britian's total shift was so aggravating, they oversaw the referendum, what more could they want?

[@rockmetalfan7885]

This ending makes 2nd world war even more bloody for the allies XD

[@jmenoprijmeni980]

No it doesn't you realize that Germany couldn't win without the Czechoslovakian industry and in this situation Czechoslovakia would refuse the Munich conference.

[@gabilax2745]

I mean Germany would surely fall into a dictatorial state but without the Rhineland what do you want them to do ?

[@jmenoprijmeni980]

@@gabilax2745 probably but they wouldn't be a threat. It's not like Germany wouldn't do it anyway.

[@williamsmeds1368]

I'm surprised they were actually harsh on Germany. Usually these kinds of people loooove German imperialism and talking about how the treaty of Versailles was unfair..

[@pokeiron9690]

Yea me to

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

it was unfair, germany was no more responisble for the war than the other countries, and had agreed to the ceasefire and peace negotiations on the basis of the 14 points and NEGOTIATION. they were promised a congress of vienna and were treated like a conquered nation. realistically any harsher and the freikorps would have just fought a german war for independance. we know from the turkish one and the entente not doing anything about the freikorps that they would not have enforced anything if they did.

[@williamsmeds1368]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 and there it is.

[@B_men_apo]

I love how the Italy meme is represented in the vid it was even funnier in person tho it was mentioned every time Italy spoke.

[@Kirikaze9]

i want to see a version of this where central powers wins instead and its them shaping an alternate kaiserreich

[@ChillGeneral]

I'm so immersed in this timeline I really wonder how the next decades will shape up with these stipulations

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Honestly surprised that the German delegation did not state the fact that the German military is still in the field and that if needed the Ludendorf-Hindenburg line can be reformed along the Rhine river and then the Entente are welcome to attempt to cross it and enforce their terms in Berlin.

[@fireandblood8142]

The German army had nearly disintegrated during the 100 Days Offensive, leaving no forces to defend Germany

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

@@fireandblood8142 Try crossing the rhine river in 1918 while under fire, it can not be done until 1942.

[@JohnRandoSmith]

@oliverstianhugaas7493 Weimar resisting negociations at this point would be an insta-win for France plans of divinding Germany. Bavaria historically took its independance on its own in 1919. Now, it can do it again with Western support, alongside other regionalists movements. In the meanwhile, Weimar would simply crumble economically and politically. An independent Rhineland, Bade-Wuttenberg, and Bavaria seems to be a likely outcome of such a scenario. And from then on, I don't see Köln, Stuttgart, Munchen, and Wien ever accepting rule from Berlin. If anything, they might end up in a loose confederacy that purposely exclude it.

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

@@oliverstianhugaas7493just no, watch pathetically as the desperate German Keiser sees his army refuse the order and join the ententes march on Berlin

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

You don’t understand that this isn’t some paradox war game where soldiers unquestionably execute your orders on a map lead directly by you but instead lead by generals who can see the actual situation and know they could easily use that suicidal, complete ignorant and stupid order to their gain.

[@svartorivigt5016]

Saying that that entire southern Schleswig was once majority Danish, is just complete rewriting history by the Danish Delegation.

[@demonke7829]

France not bringing up how cruel Prussia was after the franco Prussian war is crazy, treaty of Versailles will never be hard enough

[@holdenchute7883]

I didn’t know the treaty of Versailles could be done worse but here we are

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

The mastermind behind this result, Lele21

[@char1721]

10/10 video please make more

[@1212Diablo]

This was quite interesting and cool! Would like a part two!

[@simonkendrick3212]

If I was playing Britain, I would of played along as in the video, and then right at the end I would of annexed the island of Helgoland and recreated the Kingdom of Hannover, put George V in as king, shipped loads of food in and reformed the Hannover Army.

[@ManFromChicago]

Great video, can’t wait for the next part!

[@yeawhateverrrrr]

Never in my life did I think that I would see my small Dutch city in a Videntis video, yet here we are

[@polandman4913]

The American and British delegations completely disregarding the delegation from the Rhineland is nothing short of insulting. The French gave the British alone everything they could've asked for as a compromise to make the referendum as fair as possible, given how they were overseeing it in the first place completely u-turning because a vote didn't go their way is nothing short of disgraceful. Not to mention a complete slap in the face of the right to self-determination by the American delegation, that was complete and total hypocrisy for them to tout the German desires as acceptable yet completely side-lined the will of a region that saw themselves as different from Prussia. As for the French delegation, they played their part well. Securing a positive outcome for France in more ways that could've realistically been imagined given the resistance the British and Americans gave in the first place. Good on them.

[@fard6703]

Holy yap buddy

[@bear3616]

No, all you wanted was power and to show off. You’re lucky we joined the war. If I’d been charge, you would have ever seen a dime from us.

[@YuryPozdneev]

It feels like really good reconstruction of Treaty of Versailles. I pretty sure that in IRL it was even more chaotic 😭

[@GoofusPlays]

This treaty is like a "Create Mega-Hitler 100% Glitchless" speedrun

[@Firefly-ys1dr]

Can’t wait to see it. Know it’s gonna be great

[@demonke7829]

You would think the Americans were in the central powers after watching this

[@emanuels.pezente1899]

Great vid! Must be very fun to participate in it. Are you planning on making a Treaty of Trianon comference also? It would be great to take part on it

[@Videntis.History]

That's the plan! Hope to see you there

[@benny6807]

I would LOVE to see something like this but with WW2

[@jebise6656]

the netherlands getting land is outrageous

[@ThatEzekielGuy]

ATLEAST Belgium won’t have those cursed railway borders with Germany in Eupen now

[@Danish_Waffle]

49:51 YESSSSS LETS GOOOOOO DANMARK TIL EJDEREN

[@italianpc4119]

Love this

[@Goom82]

Can we do ww2 next? Especially cause we could also see other powers like japan and america be a part of the discussion

[@TheLeviathan000]

France is OP. This timeline is officially cursed

[@edmann1820]

What a strange debate. It looked like the Rhine was going to be annexed by France and everyone was cool with it. The Rhenish vote for independence and Britain and America flip out. Makes no sense.

[@L.internet8]

28:59 "balkanisation"? Yugo wasn't even a thing in 1919

[@ThrarmAnimation]

yes but it is currently 2024

[@L.internet8]

@Thrarm imh they gotta be historically accurate

[@Videntis.History]

like this if this was better!

[@waterwatereverywhere3574]

How about a scramble for Antarctica?

[@TLodberg1]

For me (Denmark), I believe it was for the better.

[@kiankier7330]

@@TLodberg1 agree

[@khalidshubbar6911]

So far, I prefer the old Viercilles video.

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

I can just say that it was better

[@nebelz]

sorbia mentioned

[@just_hris]

39:50 so much for self determination from the US lol

[@Constantin-d6r]

Well, the US is right historically, as the majority of the Rhineland wanted to stay German. Eventhough there were uprisings in the Ruhr still doesn‘t mean that a minority political group should rule a majority one. This would be like a victorious Germany forcing Aquantine to gain independence from France. Definitely NOT selfdetermination and as such (if it had happend in real life) a complete outrage

[@just_hris]

​@@Constantin-d6ryeah, you're right. I was just commenting on the "You're not a real state, you are German" line, which is kinda funny when the guy representing Woodrow Wilson says it.

[@Erisdwarfplanet]

i feel the rhineland i am from kosovo and i feel ya man

[@Akane_16]

do Trianon next!

[@Joscat60]

I cant believe they put thet guy in charge kf the American delegatkon... it's so joever for self determination

[@radosawrurka3870]

I feel that the Polish delegation was absolutly horrible at the points of their few arguments and did not represent any polish values which were present at the treaty as neither the part the delegation from the political party of Dmowski or Piłsudski would be agreeing about plebiscites this much

[@radosawrurka3870]

Also if this video is what were going off of the delegation would be considered traitors of the people by their stance

[@Videntis.History]

i didnt post eastern europe yet

[@radosawrurka3870]

@@Videntis.History i know but just by analizing the guys argument about plebescites you see how little the person connects with polish goals after the war but great video anyway

[@DubABattery]

I recognize that voice anywhere. The US rper is the same dude that played France in the Scramble for Africa.

[@United-Nations-G-O-C]

Rhinland Independent? HELL YEHA

[@toothpickit2472]

@33:00 "The International War Crimes Court"??? That's not a thing. The closet thing to that would be the International Criminal Court which was not founded until 2002 in Italy. If the person representing Germany is referencing the International Court of Justice, he would be mistaken again as that wasn't established until 1945. If he is referencing Article 227 of the Treaty of Versailles, then perhaps he should bring up the point about putting the Kaiser on trail and not automatically assuming that the Netherlands in this simulation would not allow the extradition of the Kaiser to stand trial. In this video up until this point, I have not heard one person suggest that the Kaiser should be put on trial. Perhaps Germany, suggest that the Kaiser be put on trial instead of throwing pasta at the wall and hoping something sticks.

[@ryanlargent9320]

The US person seemed to go against Wilsonian self-determination and be out-of-character a bit too much. They talked over others and steamrolled with proposals that the US wouldn’t have historically made, like in the Denmark portion offering US money to Germany for the Kiel Canal zone. Which reminds of how they went a bit off the deep-end during the Berlin Conference video when they were France and made everybody work against France.

[@AutisticCat23]

I would love to see this but ww2

[@omaredaley133]

The American guy is whiny

[@WilliamFlea]

No? How?

[@thespyfromtf2133]

are you still planning on doing the Congress of Vienna?

[@ryanlargent9320]

I’m very confused by the wanting to try the Kaiser part of these negotiations. Was there a historical basis for the nations’ positions here?

[@Videntis.History]

there was discussion on trying him historically so i guess they decided to here

[@niklass.8699]

Frankly, in my opinion this peace deal is even worse than the one in our timeline. This on the one hand goes even further in cementing hatred and revanchism in Germany for decades to come. I can't see how the Weimar Republic won't collapse in thr following years, as all the issues it faced OTL are made much worse here. Perhaps Hitler succeeds with the Beer Hall Putsch here or the communists attempt a successful revolution leading to a WW2 against both a Soviet Union and Soviet Germany. On the other you left Germany largely intact as a unitary nation state, which given the context of this deal is rather stupid. Yes it will be slightly more difficult but not overly so. On a sidenote the Rhenish Republic didn't even take the Ruhr Area meaning much of Germany's vital resources for armament production is still there. Maybe hindsight isn't that that important after all, because they did a better job in 1919 than whatever was accomplished here.

[@JohnRandoSmith]

@niklass.8699 Keep in mind that in this timeline, a Hitlerian Germany would be grealty diminished. This would drastically reduce the risk of Germany starting WW2. Germany would likely be unable to annex Austria, nor bend the international community in the Sudetes crisis (making western and central Europe much more stable). We don't know what the treaty will be in the east yet, but the western German setback will surely give time for the soviets to catch up, containing Germany even more. It also give an incentive for Germany to keep Poland on float, as a buffer. Finally, Itally will probably get its way in the Mediterranean and avoid turning fascist. This will in turn, snowball in favor of Spain not turning fascist. All in all, long-term peace seems more likely in this scenario.

[@niklass.8699]

@JohnRandoSmith I think it's far more likely for the Germans to straight up join the Soviets in this timeline, communist or no. They were already making diplomatic advances with the Treaty of Rapallo, even including a limited military co-operation for research purposes. What overcame ideological differences for this treaty to happen in our timeline was that Germany and the Soviets felt like they were martyrs to the international community that thusly had to stick together. This treaty would completely erase any trust Germans would have in the Western powers, namely France and possibly leading to them turning east instead. I don't think a Berlin-Moscow Axis is much more of a guarantor for peace than Berlin-Rome.

[@JohnRandoSmith]

@niklass.8699 A communist Germany is possible, but it is likely that Germany would lose even more territory in the process of turning red (ex: Bavaria backed by the west). Germany would be weakened by the revolution in the short term, and in the long term, news of Soviet-German collusion would be a secret to none. Countrary to our timeline, the west would be prepared to face the threat. Europe as a whole would stand more united : non-communist German states, eastern European countries, and Scandinavian countries would face an existancial threat, while the rest of Europe would have its red scare. This little red Germany scenario doesn't seem that bad in contrast to our timeline weakened West facing rising fascism and a mega-Germany (who surprised everybody by temporarily siding with the Soviets).

[@natheriver8910]

Very interesting

[@Aq_3]

As a Belgian, I want to say thanks to the Belgian representative

[@saadchoudhry4517]

37:40 hypocrisy at its finest

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Already liked and commented ! Keep up the good work! Suggestion: Napoleón IV survives

[@morgannavarroenclavevetera8462]

I love how Italy just getting all the love.😅😂

[@helioslegigantosaure6939]

Omelette au fromage( bravo bro)

[@felixsamorukov1018]

I cant even understand half the things, the french guy said

[@PoloniJr]

Hey there I like your content ❤i have question how do you create this map and animations

[@Videntis.History]

I draw all my maps on procreate, and then animate them in apple motion

[@PoloniJr]

@ nice, i am going to use photoshop and after effects as that is something I am more good at.

[@adarshlokhande7653]

Please make a if Russia went accelerationalist after ww1

[@Videntis.History]

what does that mean?

[@AbhishekMann-bk3ur]

​@@Videntis.History I think he meant Ultranationalist. That would be great scenario.

[@peetesmi]

@@Videntis.History Basically, it's reverse communism. Rather than reversing on Capitalism, you accelerate transition, privatize everything, go full capitalpunk

[@maestroLYT]

​@@AbhishekMann-bk3urI believe accelerationist is a fictional ideology that exists in hoi4: red flood where no country wins. France in that timeline got ruled by a schizophrenic painter who believed that accelerationists could bring the future closer. So basically accelerationist is a bit similar to progressivism but more aggressive and radical

[@Videntis.History]

@@AbhishekMann-bk3ur no accelerationism is different, and ultranationalism is not a thing

[@GustavSvard]

As a Scandinavian... Noooo. Don't give areas that are heavily German to Denmark. Love the Sorbs getting some minority rights. Nice touch.

[@patryk7071]

Where is part about polish-german border?

[@Videntis.History]

part 2, this video took a long time to edit but part 2 will be out in a few weeks once i finish editing it

[@neilz.]

This french man is the most superior, chad leader, way better than the last whinny "french" leader. Edit: oh my, that whinny guy became american.

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

Thanks I was the french player

[@FromRussiaWithLuv007]

12:10 Yes

[@LordSinister_]

Guys I'm pretty sure videntis is biased against the Kaiserreich/Germany

[@Videntis.History]

i literally didn't pick this

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

@@LordSinister_ just difference in diplomatic skills and adaptation

[@LordSinister_]

@@Videntis.History yours was extremely similar

[@Iaped]

14:27 time of the piss treaty

[@kandathepanda]

with all reset when will trianon be?

[@saipetsvlogs664]

am i the only one who didnt understand a thing that france said?

[@jmenoprijmeni980]

Probably and I am not used to French accent.

[@mod5278]

The Rhine and the French negotiator got completely shafted for no real reason, the British completely betraying their word and going unpunished for it, whilst the US keeps screaming about self-determination whilst entirely ignoring self-determination because of "balance of power" (Germany still has more people then France, the Rhine and Belgium combined) is a little ridiculous. it feels like the US and UK are appeasement-maxxing in a peace conference for a war they just won. Justice for my man France.

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

Thanks I was the french player

[@neilz.]

​@@erangon66bakirleo60if you are le french; good job sir. That american guy is chode, and that uk delegate is a RAT

[@frenchbagget5385]

Completely agree, though it feels pretty historical accurate lol.

[@Constantin-d6r]

@@erangon66bakirleo60 Yeah but France helping a separatist group which wants to cut of one of Germany’s most important industrial hubs leads to even if the USA helps Germany with even more war reparations weaker economy. A from the beginning weakened German government, which collapses even more than in our timeline from the 1929 stock market crash would just collapse even quicker with many more Germans dying of starvation then in our timeline and a even more prominent and probably even more radical N*zi regime, which would also probably seep over into the Rhineland, leading to eather France because of international pressure being forced to leave the Rhineland, or France fighting a war with Germany over the Rhineland, with Germany having again support from the international community, leading France to be forced with sanctions to leave the Rhineland anyway. Both of which just leads to a even worse World War 2. I don‘t want to hate on you, and I as a catholic German myself enjoy the effort, but I strongly believe, that this would not be a better world.

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

@@Constantin-d6r I have the international support, Italy Belgium, the UK said he didn't care, the USA would go isolationist and didn't care about Europe. In the end of the treaty Germany would lose all of his industrial and raw resources land, so they cannot supply a decent army

[@helioslegigantosaure6939]

Bien jouer le belge et le français

[@erangon66bakirleo60]

Merci j'étais le joueur français