"THE TRIAL OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (1977)

[@davidmoorecatdaddy6994]

Thank you for posting this . My Dad was an extra ( a reporter ) in this movie . Haven't seen it in 43 years ! This will help me remember my dad . He took his own life in 2008 .

[@rjperfetto584]

Wow , my condolences to you sir.

[@BAFFLED-u4o]

Very sorry about your dad.

[@Beastgrows]

Whoops!!

[@davidmoorecatdaddy6994]

@@Beastgrows Gee , thanks loser .

[@juanrodriguez6157]

Sorry about that deebo

[@Gablesman888]

This movie was filmed in the district court house in McKinney, Texas. On one of the shooting days I just happened to be having a court hearing before the real district judge in his office, the courtroom having been vacated for the movie. I was unaware of the movie even being made when I arrived in McKinney. So I was startled to run into Lorne Greene and later Ben Gazzara in the hallway. After my hearing I sat in the audience and watched the movie being made. I do not think I am in the movie anywhere. So my movie career never got off the ground.

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

Too bad they didn't run into you sooner. You could have played Oswald

[@WayneMoore-ui8pm]

Very fine film. The ultimate what-if scenario. Pleshette's portrayal is spot on. Probably not unlike how Oswald would have behaved, had he lived. Wayne Moore, Port Alberni, B.C. Canada. I have a copy of this very film in my collection. VHS format unfortunately.

[@TomLeach-dd8cl]

I remember seeing this on vhs back in the early 90s ty for posting

[@markrook6085]

Best reenactment of the Zapruder film EVER.....they nailed it.

[@jacktheripoff1888]

I wonder if they stood on the same spot where Zapruder did to film that sequence. They almost would have had to. Like you said, they nailed it.

[@tsbonner]

Agreed!

[@Lee-Darin]

The sign on the Hertz rent a cars is Wrong in 11/22/1963 the sign next to the Hertz said Chevrolets not Ford's.

[@freedomchristianbasketball]

If you turn your volume up to 100 then it feels like your in the assaination

[@brianarbenz1329]

I would hardly call the clean, bloodless striking by the fatal bullet realistic. Of course network TV standards would not have allowed the horrifying sight of the actual fatal strike. I would say the logistics up until that were very true to life.

[@VanlifewithAlan]

I saw this on UK television as a child - looking forward to seeing it again!

[@arthursteven5601]

Same

[@louise_rose]

Yup :)

[@jewell92]

I wish to thank you for posting this. I never was it in the 70's.

[@brianarbenz7206]

So sad that you never were it in the '70s. I was totally it in that decade! 😉

[@WestIndianAK]

14:37 *EXCELLENT* recreation of the Zapruder film. You can tell they had their cameraman stand *exactly* where Zapruder had been standing.

[@mikejones9961]

but no umbrella man

[@LebarronBell]

This movie is different than all the other re actments of the others

[@jimmiller44]

The casting for this film was a real bonanza.

[@bluemountain555]

R.I.P. Jim Leavelle (August 23, 1920 - August 29, 2019)

[@lloydknighten5071]

Detective Leavelle was a brave man. I wish that I could have met him. Detective Leavelle would have been 100 years old this past August, 29th. May he rest in peace.

[@vijaysinger4vijaysinger479]

Rip to Dallas Detective Jim Leavelle I am 😭😭😭💜

[@Phelps-1247]

He fucked up his job, fuck him

[@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary]

@@lloydknighten5071 He did not do his job at minimum but I believe he assisted with the Hit on Lee Harvey Oswald.. But God will determine his fate from here..

[@lloydknighten5071]

@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary Yes, I agree that someone or some group of people within the Dallas Police Office assisted Jack Ruby in gaining access into the building. Just who it was will be NEVER known.

[@HarrisO.R8]

Thanks soooo much for posting!...I hoped this was on here...its my Friday night movie!....watched "Executive Action" yesterday.......FYI Lancaster, Ryan, and Geer did not want to do it....you know what they showed them?....They enlightened them with the Garrison Files and Zapruder film.....after that they were going ho.

[@portugal5698]

Executive Action is easily one of the most badass and ballsiest films of the 70s, as well as ever made!! Minus the pres. being the target of the films main characters, those Mausers and other bolt action rifles were gorgeous!! One big mistake, which Geer himself admitted was the “fictionalized” names and composite characters. Said it should have included their real names.

[@barrister99]

I love that movie. Richard Bull, Mr. Olson, played the gunman on the knoll.

[@MsBackstager]

Worthy of a revisit. Happy to see Lorne Green in just about any and everything.

[@SaxonC]

John Pleshette is a brilliant actor and writer.

[@MsBackstager]

Close to resemblance to LHO despite being about a decade older.

[@Radar19792006]

"A bunch of crap" Yes, I mostly agree as well...but this is at least the best, overall, continuous re-enactment of the assassination that I have yet seen dramatized. Original location, no narration, no silly music, no swipe-cuts or "dramatic" blurs. Good stuff.

[@scottaznavourian4568]

most impressed t imcluded officer hargis catching the 'secret service' guy behind the picket fence. he ran up there cause he smelled gun powder, but the warren commision buried his testimony deep in its hearimg volumes and obviously didnt put it im the full report (if even just to debunk it)

[@kevinmc4500]

I love the people in the background wearing bellbottoms in 1963

[@patrickmorgan4006]

@@kevinmc4500 I was very young in 1963, but I don't think bell bottoms were worn until later in the 60s, so that might not have been historically accurate.

[@peterfraser9070]

"most impressed t imcluded officer hargis catching the 'secret service' guy behind the picket fence.": Oh God, that did not happen, and the Warren Commission didn't bury anything.

[@BdManus]

Excellent TV movie. I love that the film allowed Oswald to live past his murder, introducing alternative realities to what might have happened and how Oswald may or may not have been involved.

[@pika23]

Wow what a treat! Never saw this before! Nice way to start Friday night

[@DonPeyote420]

interesting movie! watched it from start to finish with enthusiasm

[@michaelesgro9506]

I find it interesting to point out that the boy being hoisted on a man's shoulders at 8:57 is the late actor Bill Paxton who was among the crowd with his father that morning outside the Austin hotel where the Kennedy's and presidential entourage had spent the previous night. When this film was made in the mid to late 70s he was unknown as an actor...so I doubt it could have been intentional in anyway to include the clip. Hardly anywhere near the most interesting thing in this film, just thought I would mention it. While I am among those that don't believe Oswald took those shots (in fact, I don't think he took any shots) he had some foreknowledge of something going down, perhaps in a counter intelligence op. I mean, different behavior is always a red flag and he NEVER had gone back to the Paine home on a weeknight in the several weeks of living at that boarding house...also leaving his wallet, wedding band, cash on dresser, bringing back "curtain rods" that morning he did not even require for his room. Perhaps he was instructed to do all of those things as a patsy set up of course.

[@davidmoorecatdaddy6994]

Actually , it was a hotel in.ft worth

[@michaelesgro9506]

@@davidmoorecatdaddy6994 Yes, my bad, they spent the previous night in Fort Worth and took a short hop on AF1 over to Dallas. I remember reading that the hotel had put up all of this nice art work in the suite and the "first couple" were so exhausted they just crashed and didnt even notice it LOL.

[@bojandolinar1535]

Different behaviour is a red flag for what?

[@patrickmorgan4006]

Nice bit of trivia with the Bill Paxton story. As for the rest, I couldn't disagree more. And I don't recall any curtain rods ever being found so what was in the package?

[@michaelesgro9506]

​@@patrickmorgan4006 Well, that has been debated alot of course. The guy (Wesley Buell Frazier) that gave him a ride out to Irving most weekends and drove him back to the TBSD on Mondays claims/testified to the WC that the package fit under his armpit and he was able to cup it with his (Lee Harvey Oswald's) hand, you know grip it over handed at the bottom, astride his thigh. When they broke down a Manlicher Carcano it was demonstrably too big to carry that way considering Oswalds documented height and arm inseam length (forensic autopsy). He would almost have had to be Shaquille O'Neal to do that. Frazier's sister, who saw Oswald carrying the package from the kitchen window over her sink that Friday morning, told Mark Lane the same thing. So it would seem unlikely to be a rifle and certainly not the alleged assassination weapon, but who really knows for sure. All I meant by red flag, is that breaking from a pattern of behavior is something that detectives can often gather investigative leads from, I should not have phrased it as ALWAYS though!!! Oh, I forgot to add that the packaging was also variously described, oddly enough, in many different ways (regular postage type wrap, butcher type wax coated wrap, etc etc) and no physical evidence other than fingerprints was obtained from it (gun grease, lubricant, gunpowder, nitrate residue etc). And yes, no curtain rods were ever found and not a single other person saw Oswald carry that package into the building...or can state they saw him enter for that matter. Oswald actually went ahead that morning as Frazier stated how he would usually run the car for several minutes upon arriving to re-charge his jalopy's battery for the afternoon return home. It was a clunker, the kid was only 19, his first job, living with his sister and brother and law. I forget, I think he said there was something hinky going on with the electrical system in the car...alternator?

[@jimramsey2896]

This was originally a play of Broadway in the early 70's. At the end of the play, just like at the end of the movie Oswald is killed and it's up to the audience to make a judgment whether Oswald was guilty or innocent before they left the theater. All things considered this is a very good adaptation of the stage play into a TV movie. Is he guilty, or innocent? Thanks for posting this.

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

Absolutely 100% not guilty...just like OJ

[@matthewhedrichjr.5445]

I say he is

[@randyharris3175]

This movie is a good depiction of what could have happened in a real trial

[@PC-lu3zf]

That end is spooky especially the music LOL.

[@mrmanstrikesback]

I've always thought this was a good film. The actors playing the two attorneys are particularly effective, as is Oswald.

[@randyharris3175]

Good but not accurate they say the same about JFK

[@johndavis8669]

@@randyharris3175 It isn't accurate that Oswald would had been tried in Texas. Had Oswald not been killed by a convicted mobster Jack Ruby. There might have been emergency legislation by congress to have Oswald tried for Treason for the assassination and the murder of Tippit by the US District Court in DC thereby Texas would had agreed to allow the Federal Government to have Oswald put on trial. I suspect Oswald would had been given additional charges for giving away US Government secrets to the Soviet Union which led to the U2 shooting. Likely result would had been the death penalty for treason for the assassination, high treason for giving away Government radar secrets and the murder of Tippit. This movie didn't explore that possibility. The FBI and LBJ were exploring that possibility. Years later the Government made the assassination of a US official like a sitting President a Federal Crime. When Lincoln was assassinated the people involved were tried for Treason. Likely that would have been the outcome for Oswald and anyone else who worked with him especially when Oswald was giving away Radar secrets to the Soviets in 1959 and in a few months, Gary Powers was shot down.

[@randyharris3175]

@@johndavis8669 Yes it is he would have definetely been tried in Texas you're looking at 1963 like it was 2022.Absolutely no positive fact that Oswald supplied the Russians with any info on the U2 so he couldn't have been tried. Oswald knew nothing that the Russian intelligence already had.

[@portugal5698]

To those that think this whole thing is bs, just look up the movie *Executive Action*. Great backstory revolving around the conspirators, the CI.a “sugardaddy,” Captain oil, Mr. Hunt, and the group of assassins taking badass shots and practicing. Honestly would have been the most badass American movie ever made if they substituted a president with a dicttator or cult leader/terrorist or something. Only lasted two weeks in theaters in 1973, was top box office, and suddenly gets taken down and hidden from public by LBJ trustees.

[@jacktheripoff1888]

I first saw it in 1993. It was a real interesting take on a possible scenario. You have a very small cabal of conspirators who select and frame Oswald, whose past was so varied, secret, and connected to different elements all over the political spectrum to the point where a lot of people in very high positions just want the whole case, along with Oswald, dead and buried.

[@ch3blazinggospel669]

HL Hunt met with Haley Eguene Brading night before in Dallas (mofia hit man.) He had alias Jim Braden and was arrested on 3rd floor of Dal Tex building “looking for a phone” he is the only person ID in the area of both JFK and RFK murders ( murdered in Los Angeles, Brading home town) VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86 SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Jim Braden, Address 621 S. Barrington Drive Apt 6 Los Angeles Calf. Office 215 S. La Cienega Blvd. Beverly Hills, California, Age 49 , Phone No. 4725301 Home Deposes and says: I am here on business (oil business) and was walking down Elm Street trying to get a cab and there wasn't any. I heard people talking saying "My God the President has been shot." Police cars were passing me coming down toward the triple underpass and I walked up among many other people all watching them. I moved on up to the building across the street from the building that was surrounded and I ask [sic] one of the girls if there was a telephone that I could use and she said "Yes, there is one on the third floor of the building where I work". I walked through a passage to the elevator they were all getting on (freight elevator) and I got off on the third floor with all the other people and there was a lady using the pay telephone and I ask [sic] her if I could use it when she hung up and she said it was out of order and I tried to use it but with no success. I ask [sic] her how I can get out of this building and she said that there is an exit right there and then she said wait a minute here is the elevator now. I got on the elevator and returned to the ground floor and the colored man who ran the elevator said you are a stranger in this building and I am was [sic] notsuppose [sic] to let you up and he ran outside to an officer and said to the officer that he [sic] had just taken me up and down in the elevator and the officer said for me to identify myself and I presented him with a credit card and he said well we have to check out everything and took me to his superior and said for me to wait and we will check it out. I was then taken to the Sheriffs office and interrogated.

[@timothyleebrown1593]

The actor playing Oswald looks a great deal like him!

[@1981lashlarue]

John Pleshette. It was a great performance.

[@peterfraser9070]

He wasn't bad at all. I thought Gary Oldman was fan-frickin-tastic, looking and sounding like Oswald.

[@Koopalingfan]

@@peterfraser9070 I do agree John Pleshette did a great performance. I feel Frederic Forrest who Played Lee Harvey Oswald in Ruby And Oswald did the best.

[@AnthonyCatella]

Actor William Jordan was one of the men on the staff of the prosecuting attorney. He would play an excellent President Kennedy in the miniseries King, with Paul Winfield as Martin Luther King and Cliff de young as RFK.

[@timothyleebrown1593]

@@AnthonyCatella Thank you sir!!

[@CoolCademMAnimates-fz1ui]

it's clear that they've seen the Zapruder film before we did. The shooting scene would have been perfect if JFK didn't look as jerky, and that random loud voice right after wasn't there.

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

I saw this when it aired Sept. 30th, 1977. Interesting what if. 36:55 alternate reality where Ozzy lives to stand trial. 😎 2:55:00 "Mr. Fesiyay". Gotta love how Ben Gazzara messed up. Buell Frazier's name.🤨.

[@ChillSensesASMR]

This was a surprisingly good film. The Zapruder film was spot on.

[@marksesl]

That's pretty clever how they still depected Ruby shooting Oswald, but this time after the trial.

[@Koopalingfan]

It sure is.

[@jt4125]

Thanks for the spoiler :-/

[@adriangregg9147]

I just found the VHS release of this in a packing crate Ive not seen it for 20 years, watched the first half then did some googling, my version is 3 hrs, the VHS version is missing 1+ hours...

[@stephonharrington6565]

Its a really good movie it talks about lee and his life this is a well done movie

[@robertwalker7010]

I wish he had made it to trial.

[@matthewhedrichjr.5445]

Robert Walker me too! If Jack Ruby got assaulted by a cop! That way conspiracy theories of Kennedy's Assassination won't happen! I wish Boston Corbett should have captured Booth for trial instead of killing him, so that way the conspiracy theories of Lincoln's Assassination won't happen.

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

88% of people at Dealey who were interviewed right after the shooting heard the shots coming from the School Book Depository.

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Film at 21.00. Why would the authorities think that it was a conspiracy at this stage?

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

There is zero evidence that the picture of Oswald holding the rifle was a fake. His wife says she took the photo.

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Jack Ruby had many opportunities to kill Oswald as he was on good terms with the police and was able to hang around the station where Oswald was held. If he was hired to kill Oswald he would have done it on the first attempt.

[@wandajames6234]

Two very obvious rebuttals to Lorne Greene's saying that a number of people fitted Oswald's description, even 2 jurors. Rebuttal: "Maybe, but did they work on the 6th floor of the TB Depository?" And to his 'is this the sound of shells hitting the floor?" as he drops a pen on the desk. Rebuttal: "Well, did they find 3 pens lying on the floor at the window? Or 3 coins? Or 3 hatpins? NO. They found 3 SHELLS. End of.

[@fobrien1]

im sure the point was that greenes part was as defense lawyer , his job is then to create doubt or show the prosecution case to be faulty . that is what he did in the movie , its then up to the jury to decide if they have such doubt or not . the witness in question relating to the description of the man given was howard brennan , his real name was not given in the movie . but it was mentioned that brennan failed to identify oswald in a line up . in fact OFFICIALLY he attended a line up with several other witnesses , that was how the cops acted in this case , they had several witnesses stand there just feet apart while one was asked to pick the man they saw . that is witness contamination . i did not see it mentioned in the movie but ANY trial of oswald had he lived would involved severe criticism of the police handling of the line ups . there are strict criteria then and now for line ups , all be it law has changed a lot since then and for good reason , cops violating rights . in one line up oswald who was 24 but looked about 30 was put in a line up with TEEN boys , one of them was latino DARK SKINNED . you can see this right here on youtube . not the line up but oswald and the boys being brought in . and oswalds rightful protestations . in another line up he was put in with well dressed detectives who bore no resemblance clothing wise , build , height or looks really , they were tall , broad , well dressed and one was BLONDE . oswald was slim , thin , in a torn tee shirt . and if all that did not aid the witnesses in picking oswald out well they made sure of it with their next action , an action seen in the movie above . they made oswald give his real name and real place of work while the others gave fake details . he replied lee oswald , texas school book depository . at that time there was not a person alive in the civilized world who did not see on the news and in papers , on the radio that shlts came from the depository and that an employee had been arrested . oswalds lawyers would have had a field day on this aspect of the case alone . back to brennan , he failed to identify oswald , that is official and undeniable . a full and detailed list of ALL PEOPLE attending or participating in ALL line ups was made and is available . officially brennan attended a specific line up with specific witnesses . not a one of these witnesses saw brennan , even tho we know the witnesses were kept close together . nowhere on the list i just mentioned can brennans name be found . thus HE NEVER ATTENDED A LINE UP . in fact he tried to say that he did , and that captain will fritz went with him , fritz when asked about that replied I DOUBT THAT . the description brennan gave of the mans clothing (khaki and light colored ) does not match the clothing we know oswald wore that day . in addition if he saw anyone in that window leaning on boxes shooting well he CAN ONLY have seen them from the waist up . thus his determination of height and weight is meaningless .

[@Kosmic_Mike]

"A flurry of shells came into the car" Kellerman (in the limo). Washington DC culture is as crooked today as it was when it killed JFK in 63'. Maybe more crooked. Just look at the lies around Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela. Capitalist ideology = anything for a buck.

[@billieboybuddha4238]

Beautiful lady who plays Marina

[@DanJanTube]

surprisingly well done

[@wandajames6234]

I wish people would pay attention to the geography of the scene. The car was nearly parallel to the picket fence when the head shot occured. A shot from there would have either passed thru his head from ear to ear, or at least on a completely different angle. It could NOT have been directly from front to back unless the shot came from the overpass. Just study the picture and line up the freeway sign with the picket fence, the head shot happened just after the car passed the freeway sign.

[@fobrien1]

sorry wanda but the limo was just passing mr zapruders position when jfk was shot in the head . this is a position EVEN BEFORE THE LIMO REACHES THE KNOLL STEPS . we know all this because we have proof in the zapruder film and other film and photos taken that day . so to correct you NO NO NO a shot from the knoll in the CORRECT position IE where the smoke was seen under the trees (which is the area behind and over the heads of the 3 men on the steps , see the moormon photo) would not and could not have struck jfk by the right ear and exited in essence by the left ear . there were a few signs on elm that day , the stemmons sign and the RL thornton sign certainly , the thornton sign was i believe from memory at the start of elm street pretty much , the stemmons was after that and all the way back up elm and to the left and front of the pergola IF YOU WERE STOOD ON THE PERGOLA LOOKING OUT TO THE STREET . the limo had come out from behind the stemmons sign (see zapruder film ) the head shot was not long after that . the limo was not by either of these two signs at the head shot . there was a further sign all the way down by the knoll as i recall , on the knoll side of the street . the limo had not reached that and had not even reached the knoll steps at the point of the head shot .

[@jakefroese8695]

Exactly. No one has ever said that Connolly wasn’t shot from behind The zep film shows the mist of pink blowing out the front of his head meaning a bullet hit from behind. The guy that gets cut in the face with shrapnel is in front of the car meaning the bullets all came from behind the car. Aswald is in the building allowing for those shots, and his entire schedule puts him where the shot occurred that day. If there were multiple shooters and shots and a bunch of missing the target, then why did the two people sitting lined up with the building behind them get so much damage at all and no one else if the shooting was that terrible. Three shots all coming from the building above and behind, I couldn’t have picked a better spot myself

[@peterfraser9070]

@@fobrien1 Somebody points out the truth and all you can do is try to correct her and you wind up confirming what Wanda said. You made no sense whatsoever. Watch the head and the debris fly forward here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68 Any questions?

[@peterfraser9070]

"I wish people would pay attention to the geography of the scene. ": I know, they just ignore what's in front of their eyes. This proves the CT people just love a conspiracy - and seem to need one - and that it has nothing to do with reality. They can see this and not even care what it shows: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@fobrien1]

"I know, they just ignore what's in front of their eyes This proves the CT people just love a conspiracy" .@@peterfraser9070 so i tell wanda EXACTLY where the limo was , where the zapruder film and nix film clearly show the limo . where the moormon photo shows the limo to have been at the point of the head shot . which is BEFORE the knoll steps .meaning any shot from where the smoke was seen MUST be traveling forwaeds , rightwards slightly and UP ELM STREET . wanda says in essence the limo was in line with the knoll fence (elm street side of it ) or parallel to where the smoke was seen at the time of the head shot , which is AFTER the knoll steps and thus that any shot from there means a bullet entering by the right ear must then exit by the left ear .AND YOU PETER SAY THAT CT IGNORE WHAT IS FRONT OF THEM ? .im telling wanda WHAT THE FILM AND PHOTO TAKEN THAT DAY CLEARLY SHOWS .and it does not show the limo parallel to the area of the fence where the smoke was seen at the point of the head shot . so peter with all due respect wanda does not have enough knowledge of where the limo was for the head shot , and in fact she and you are the ones ignoring what the film and photo show . the video you link to above is the zapruder film . you do know that mr zapruder was not behind the knoll fence in the area where the smoke was seen ? .it seems not .

[@marcbolan1818]

Most accurate film.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Most accurate film.": Makes JFK look like a 100% piece of fiction - instead of just 95%. The spacing of the shots, the extremely unfortunate 'badgeman' scene, and the myth of the mysterious deaths of certain people after is also disappointing.

[@stlbusker3025]

One fact is glaringly obvious. Change that single fact, and the whole scenario surrounding November 22, 1963 might have been totally different. President Kennedy himself made the decision to travel in an open vehicle. Change that one fact, and history might have been altered, with an entirely different outcome.

[@Fernando-qk2hp]

Yes Another one fact is if Marina would of made up with Lee the night before and returned to him.

[@matthewhedrichjr.5445]

i enjoy this movie

[@DannyKellum]

I have the original paperback used to promote it with all costs and two original posters. Talked with Ruby Persson who was Lucy on Peanuts. Her Husband was the producer. Amram Ducovny and Leon Friedman wrote it.Very glad to see see the movie, but does not seem like the play.

[@rickeypeace5666]

R.i.P J.F.K

[@cliffboulle2457]

Lorene Green is very good in this. all I seen him in is Battlestar Glactica and banazaa

[@robertdore9592]

...don't you remember him in Roots????

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

The rifle shell rebuttal is clever and makes sense. But what the film does not show is that there were several people on the fifth floor who heard the sound of a gun being cocked. There are not many things in a book Depository that sound like that.

[@josephweaver5385]

People Love to be in the press. Name them all. They are probably all dead.

[@barrister99]

Yet, those same people heard nobody walking around up, including Oswald supposedly running all the way across the sixth floor wiping the rifle clean and the down five flights of stairs passed two witnesses who never saw him.

[@perikaveera4438]

At 2:33 the prosecution asks the expert witness if the President's head could have swung backwards as the result of a "cortical reaction" and the expert concedes that yes, it's possible. But it is not possible because the bullet has destroyed the medulla and remaining mid-brain in a 1000th of a second. Besides, no cortical reflex could possibly overcome the force of a projectile traveling at 1500fps and hitting it's target with approx 2000ft.lbs energy at impact. Just imagine, a man is made to stand 100 or 1000ft from a 120mm howitzer cannon and fired upon. He would, or rather his body parts would be flung backwards, 30 or 50 ft away from the cannon and not towards the cannon. Whatever happened to the "cortical reaction"? Jackson, Mississippi.

[@Realbillball]

perikaveera You say that to an expert or anyone familiar with basic anatomy, and they will tell you that you are dead wrong.

[@randyharris3175]

Absolute nonsene a Carcano bullet will not move a human head weighing 10 pounds that much only works that way in the movies They did test with goats head went bsckward.

[@pedicabdiaries2460]

Was this actually shot IN Dealy Plaza?

[@zacharylunsford2]

Pedicab Diaries yes.

[@Lee-Darin]

Yes it was. But the Hertz sign originally when Kennedy was assassinated was Chevrolet not Ford

[@randyhanson4973]

Never watched this before but I already know the ending. Oswald gets acquitted but on his way out of the court room Jack Ruby shoots and kills him ... I was pretty close. So Ruby got him on his way to the reading of the jury verdict.

[@Koopalingfan]

Yeah.

[@winggullseagull1230]

I saw this movie on TV in 1977, an interesting speculation of the trial that never was. They should've assumed the role of the jury & acquit Oswald. Show him walking free & then get shot by Ruby. Even if he made it to trial & walked free he was already a walking target as he says in the movie "There's no immunity for me".

[@Koopalingfan]

@@winggullseagull1230 Okay.

[@randyharris3175]

Oswald gets acquitted not a chance in hell.

[@watermelonlalala]

Don't be bothered by the early discrepancies. There is no Jack Ruby, Oswald gets a lawyer and the conspiracy points start getting brought up.

[@ForgetMeNot2022]

Lorne Greene was Ben Cartwright end of

[@greenharvestproductions6743]

The play was back in 1967

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

More than one of Oswald's co-worker heard rifle shells hitting the ground AND the sound of a rifle being cocked.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

And the co workers standing in fron of the building heard shots from behind the fence.

[@franclin0]

@@scottaznavourian3720 echoes or just misidentified. No evidence whatsoever of a gunshot from behind the fence.

[@barbaras2669]

Only one of his co-workers claimed he heard the shells fall on the floor. But his actions did not correspond to that information. Rather than running upstairs he ran across the room towards the direction of the grassy knoll to look out the window. He never reported hearing the shells dropped when questioned initially by the authorities. He may have come up with this story because he was the employee who ate his lunch leaving his chicken bones sack & soda bottle on the 6th floor in the "sniper nest". Would you hear shells dropping on the floor with the noise from the crowd with your head & body stuck out the window as he was photographed?

[@peterfraser9070]

""Only one of his co-workers claimed he heard the shells fall on the floor.": So you are just twisting the man's testimony and ignorant of the fact there were 3 guys right below. Spread your conspiracy propaganda somewhere else. Some people actually care about the truth, and it's not a make-it-up-as-you-go-along game.

[@portugal5698]

Yes, because Malcom Wallace (whose fingerprints were found) was the one up there, w/ one of the dark skinned guys that was questioned on the top floor.

[@GmRb79]

the Oswald actor is actually DB Cooper

[@belu-grandpa831]

Who’s DB Cooper

[@RepentfollowJesus]

​@@belu-grandpa831look him up. It's interesting

[@BetOnThisBart]

It says the scenes WERE recreated for the movie.

[@Sebadiah23]

BetOnThisBart why else would they recreate them? For fun?

[@scottaznavourian4568]

1:25:00 the judge leaves out that oswald would also have had to hidden the rifle in that 90 second time span and not have been out of breath. not to memtion pass two female employees on the steps who never saw him

[@Sebadiah23]

Scott Aznavourian He’s young and in shape- the out of breathe stuff is nonsense. Humans have run a mile in 240 seconds. 90 seconds is a very long time.

[@randyharris3175]

Where you come up with the two female employess dont believe that is true

[@randyharris3175]

Wrong that's the conspiracy buffs theory

[@stevec7770]

@@randyharris3175 nope TSBD boss Roy Truly and officer Marion Baker saw him calmly drinking a cola

[@randyharris3175]

@@stevec7770 Wrong read Roy Truly WC testimony he clearly says nothing was in Oswalds hand.He got the Coke after they left so he could casually stroll out the front door.

[@cubanangel1985]

If only Oswald was not murdered by Ruby...

[@MrsTonyDinozzio]

Yeah, unfortunately his children grew up without their father just like he had.

[@lwmson]

Just the fact that he was murdered should tell you something.

[@1981lashlarue]

joe jones Like what?

[@jonlund5545]

cubanangel1985 it was because of ruby shooting Oswald that led to most of the conspiracy theories especially because ruby was involved with organized crime

[@randyharris3175]

@@MrsTonyDinozzio i understand Marina got herself a real man later and her children did just fine

[@hinesfigher6093]

of course the official verdict has been written in the history books, and it has been debated for the entirety of time since, and probably always will be.

[@barbaras2669]

There was no official verdict because there was no trial. In the eyes of the law Oswald is innocent.

[@Tsnore]

Even before Stone did all his cinematic damage, this little flick did a bit in the 70s.

[@Sebadiah23]

Tsnore Yeah, the whole invention of suspicious fbi characters is pathetic.

[@barrister99]

You mean to government that lies to its people and kills its own President?

[@BreannahSong]

love this movie but certainly not the ending.

[@elainejohnson6955]

This movie does not talk about: James Tague being shot. Malcolm Wallace's handprint being found on the 6th floor. The two different caskets. JFK's brain going missing. The discrepancies of the location of the bullet holes between the doctors from Parkland Hospital and the autopsy report. The change of the weapon from a Mauser to the Carcano. Witnesses saying Oswald got in a green station wagon. The timing of Oswald being at the Theatre and shooting Tippit doesn't line up....

[@thomaspalazzi7795]

Yes!!

[@fobrien1]

its difficult to fit everything into a movie even a 3 hour movie . but yes you are correct they fail to mention a lot . but we have to take things in to context . the bethesda staff were under orders not to talk , under threat of court martial . in really they did not talk till about 1978 , when the threat was removed . and they spoke to the hsca . oswalds trial would have been 1964 so what they would have said in 78 would not be known in 64 . but yes the parkland staff would surely have testified . but i believe legally had oswald lived and gone to trial that his lawyers could have and would have called the bethesda witnesses . the defense would have legal right of access to all autopsy photos and materials including the brain. so yes i must assume all that would be a large part of the case . officially i believe jfks brain was only noted as missing in about 1966 maybe later .jfk was exhumed in 1967 and moved to where he rests now . the story we were given in later years was that rfk was given the brain etc and they were buried with jfk . if that were true it had to be 1967 i should think when jfk was moved . everything you say really is valid , in that had oswald lived and gone to trial that all of that and more would have been explored by his defense . the film was made in 1977 . so yes certain info was available to the film makers , however if you want to keep things in a context of oswald at trial in 64 its then difficult to include info that came about later . but very good points raised by you .

[@thomaspalazzi7795]

@@fobrien1 best evidence I've ever read was Len Osanic interview with John Armstrong about " Harvey and Lee" Black OP radio and a You Tube Video " Oswald Double" and Captain Westbrook in the Tippit Murder!! IMO Closes Case for Conspiracy in my mind. Clears up alot of Answers and Doubts in Assasination of JFK and Tippit and Oswald!! This explains why Oswald took a cab and bus and got into Ruth Paines Vehicle after leaving Book depository, 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!!

[@fobrien1]

hi thomas yes len has done some great work , especially compiling a great deal of info from the late fletcher prouty .black op radio is top notch for sure . the jfk for reasons for 50 years video series by len is fantastic . so much info in them that people need to know . john armstrong has also done some great work in tracking down oswald from a young boy and up to his death , also he showed the severe problems with the rifle . not sure i go along with two oswalds and two mothers tho , that said it seems undeniable that oswald was impersonated at different times . the problem with oswald is that interrogation wise we only have what the police said oswald said . and we only have their word for it , and we only have that from interrogation notes that they said WERE NEVER TAKEN . its difficult to believe the police really . fritz the police captain stuck a pre written confession in to wes fraziers face and demanded he sign it , frazier refused and rightly so as he made no such confession . fritz lied about handling the shells , he lied about talking to craig , first denying he ever spoke to him , then later admitting he did when it could not be denied . mcdonald spoke on film about his arrest of oswald , then contradicted himself in testimony . marian baker changed his statements several times . westbrook has issues . other cops contradicted the others , multiple cops claimed to have found the same bit of evidence . and as we know between the cops and the fbi well the evidence stinks . problems everywhere . but definately oswald was impersonated at different times , the commission however did their best to ignore this . lone nuts dont usually need impersonating . consul azcue in mexico said the man he knows to be oswald, the man killed on tv IS NOT THE MAN HE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH . the man he spoke to claiming to be oswald was BLONDE . oswald turned up at sylvia odios home , the commission decided SHE WAS WRONG ,that oswald was in mexico , this despite azcue saying it was not oswald in mexico . as early as 1960 hoover said in a memo that someone may be using oswalds identification , oswald was at that time IN RUSSIA , some men including oswald tried to buy trucks for democratic cuba , a short lived group . oswald was in russia . but on the board of that group was one GUY BANNISTER . there was a guy at the rifle range claiming to be oswald when we know it cant have been oswald . witnesses there even said that he was with a young guy called frazier . remember 19 year old wes frazier was driving oswald to work on monday mornings . it would appear that who ever was impersonating oswald knew about his arrangement with wes , and tried to use that to make it seem more plausible that oswald was at the rifle range . the was even an oswald driven to the corner of houston and elm street by a guy . this oswald spoke openly about jfk coming and spoke about how jfk could be shot from one of those office buildings . he even carried a long paper sack . the man driving (cant remember his name right now ) told his friend about the strange encounter that day . this was before the assassination . there was an oswald and in this case an apparently fake marina also (with a child ) at a store . and amazingly every commission said there was nothing out of the ordinary here , just a regular old lone nut with no connections .

[@winggullseagull1230]

That was truck driver refrigeration repairman Ralph Leon Yates. He picked up a man resembling Oswald carrying a package of curtain rods from Oak Cliff & drove him to the TSBD on Nov. 20, '63 2 days before the real Oswald rode in Buell Wesley Frazier's car on that fateful friday. No employees saw Oswald with a package except Wesley Frazier.

[@dan4lau]

Oh wow! This is BRILLIANT! The great thing about it is it was made near enough to the time for it to have that... well the sound of that time. Actors and engineers just can't seem to recreate it no matter how hard they try. Watching 11.22.63 or The Kennedys, I could tell in a second if TV coverage being played was real or fake, even if I'd never heard the actual original. In this, if I didn't know better, I'd think the trial coverage was real. And the president's car is driving through friendly crowds here in... oh man what was that? Three shots have just been fired and... I think, yes I think President Kennedy has been hit!

[@trysometruth]

It is an amazing achievement. Like you say, it was done near enough to the actual time, just, what, 14 years or less after the event? Near enough to get damn close to the feel.

[@psmith9789]

"Negro girl with the red hair." No red hair on the woman on the gurney nor did the woman in the photo have red hair. Was that part of the movie fiction?

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Jack Ruby had many opportunities to kill Oswald as he was on good terms with the police and was able to hang around the station where Oswald was held. If he was hired to kill Oswald he would have done it on the first attempt.

[@franclin0]

THANK YOU. The conspiracy theorists never seem to grasp this simple concept.

[@barbaras2669]

That is an assumption. Ruby supposedly did it for patriotic reasons. We all know how devoted our mobsters are to our President. Using your logic Oswald if he was the shooter should have shot Kennedy as he approached the TSBD rather than waiting for the more difficult shot of the car leaving the TSBD.

[@AnthonyCatella]

As he did in real time. I knew in order for Oswald to stand trial there could be no Jack Ruby shooting him, I just knew something was going to happen on his way to hear the verdict and sure enough a Jack Ruby charactertype appears to do the deed,

[@portugal5698]

That explains why he was seen by witnesses hunting Oswald down in Dealey/TSBD, minutes after shooting. And shockingly enough, LHO got into a rambler station wagon (Paine’s car), being driven by somebody else maybe 2 minutes prior. That was the *REAL* way that he got the his “at the time” residence, where 2 Dallas PD officers pull up into the driveway and honk the horn twice to alert him, as if they’re his gettaway drivers or taking him “somewhere???”

[@TowGunner]

After all this time, you still believe Ruby shot Oswald out of patriotism? To keep Jackie from suffering through a trial? You’re an idiot.

[@DarthKieduss]

I recommend reading Case Closed by Gerald Posner. So much in that book is referenced in this film

[@palnikolaiisnes7804]

😂😂😂

[@NorceCodine]

2:44:43 Finally a film realizes this - the school book depository is a federal building, you cannot just apply for a job, you need to have government credentials like if you want a job at the post office. Since when do defectors to Russia get a government job if they come back?

[@randyharris3175]

That's absolute nonsense the Texas School Book Depository was not a Federal Building in fact there was a card carrying communist working there.

[@barbaras2669]

@@randyharris3175 Gee l never thought it would happen but Randy Harris is right on this point.

[@barrister99]

I did not know that. Thanks for telling us that.

[@barrister99]

​@@barbaras2669Lol.

[@portugal5698]

Love how this film even throws in Ruby’s boyfriend, who was Oswald’s “double,” by depicting a heavier set frame guy from that angle.

[@philipparker8307]

fact: 1) there were more than three shots total fired. (don’t discount the use of silencers) 2) LHO took his shot(s). from the TSBD. 3) there was a 2nd & maybe even 3rd shooter outside the building somewhere. 4) Oswald was the fall-guy. Officer 👮‍♂️ Tippits job was in fact, as a cop in hock to the mob, to kill LHO, not to arrest him. 4) Tippit failed to kill LHO. The mob then put the task of eliminating LHO on to Jack Ruby. 5) the initiation of this hit-job on Kennedy was organized by the top of the CIA (Allen Dulles) in combination w the Mob (mafia). It was a joint project, and in fact, LBJ may have known ahead of time too and given his approval. 6) the Mob didn’t want to be implicated in any fashion in the JFK hit, hence having Tippit kill Oswald wouldn’t arouse any suspicions. 7) Oswald fired his shots, but the likely kill-shot to the top of Kennedy’s head came from a 2nd gunman. 8) Oswald had to be eliminated ASAP after the shooting because he was mentally unstable, a veritable loose canon, and was not an insider in the Mob, therefore the Mob felt no qualms about using him for their purposes and then killing him to keep the secrets safe- dead 💀 men tell no tales

[@patrickmorgan4006]

The only fact I read here is that Oswald took his shots (3 of them) from TSBD.

[@randyharris3175]

Shots from silencers one big promblem only a bullet and bullet fragments from Oswald's carcano exclusively found. There goes your theory of silencers invisible bullets and invisible assassins.

[@pedicabdiaries2460]

is "Von Kuler" supposed to be De Mohrenschildt?

[@rjperfetto584]

I presume so.

[@DanC-go9lc]

Yes.

[@anniesizemore3344]

There is actual film footage on KZbin of the book depository as Kennedy's car is driving past it. A man can be seen waving in a window below where Oswald was. In the window where Oswald is, the footage catches a figure moving in the window. Without a doubt its Oswald. Its haunting to watch knowing what happens a few minutes later. That is true about the police officer stopping someone at the fence and the person saying they were in the secret service. The secret service later said they didn't have an agent around that fence that day and don't know who it was. On the Zapruder film, it sort of appears a shot comes from the front because of the reaction of Kenney during the fatal shot. At least 1 shot does apparently come from behind because of the way Governor Connolly starts to slide down in his seat at the same time Kennedy is jamming his fist to his throat. Its very interesting.

[@winggullseagull1230]

No witnesses & employees saw Oswald on the 6th floor period. Howard Brennan never saw the shooters face & that's why he couldn't ID him in the police line up. This movie points that out. Not to mention a dozen witnesses seeing 2 men on the 6th floor not fitting LHO's description. Plus 40 inmates in the County Jail also saw 2 men on the 6th floor.....it wasn't Oswald. A white man was seen on the southeast corner & a black man was seen on the west corner pacing back & forth. Bonnie Ray Williams was eating lunch in the snipers dens. Rodger Craig saw chicken bones & Dr. Pepper while they searched the TSBD.

[@anniesizemore3344]

@@winggullseagull1230 There is film footage of President Kenney passing the bookstore. The person filming it caught someone on the upper floor where the assassin would have been. There is movement in the corner window. Just below it, a man is seen waving at the President's motorcade. Above the waving man is the window and there's a figure moving into place. Its very haunting to see that film footage and to know what happens a few seconds later. Its real footage just like the Zapruder film Its here on KZbin. I have no doubt Oswald was the assassin. But I also believe he was hired. Some people also say they heard shots fired from a fence. A police officer stopped a man at or around the fence. The man showed him a secret service badge, but the secret service says they didn't have anyone on duty iaround the fence at the time

[@winggullseagull1230]

@@anniesizemore3344 Not questioning if there was a shooter, witnesses saw a gun barrel pulled back & a shooter kneeling but his face was never seen. No eyewitness saw Oswald up there in that window, Victoria Adams & Sandra Styles didn't see Oswald on the stairs raising serious doubts if he was up there. This movie is speculation of a trial that never was but the rest of it is quite factual. The WC never did an honest investigation & they were told by LBJ to stop digging for the truth & just focus on Oswald. Despite the fact LBJ believed in a conspiracy he didn't want to expose that for fear of another world war. As Josiah Thompson said the WC was the prosecution of Oswald with no defense. He thinks the WC intention was to seek the truth no matter where it led them. Til they were steered by LBJ to just focus on Oswald. Preventing them from doing a real investigation & is why they were very selective on what witnesses they called. So many witnesses not supporting the lone gun narrative were never called & ignored & discredited & threatened & murdered that knew the truth. Like the dozen witnesses seeing 2 men in the TSBD hearing 4 shots & the 40 county jail inmates all of them were never called. Including most of the grassy knoll & railroad bridge witnesses like Bill Newman the closest witness seeing the head shot & hearing the shot right behind him by the picket fence he was never called by the WC. Lee Bowers in the railroad watchtower saw a shooter by the fence & saw a flash of light & he was cut off by the WC & later killed after he told his story to Mark Lane. Ed Hoffman saw the grassy knoll shooter & another accomplice dismantling the gun & walking back to the railroad tracks & placing it in a toolbox. Beverly Oliver filmed the grassy knoll shooter with her movie camera & had the best view of the picket fence & saw a shooter. Then the FBI asked to borrow her undeveloped film & never gave it back to her. The reason the FBI never returned it is after they developed & watched it they saw she filmed the truth. She believed her film would've answered a lot of questions. What she shot must've been dynamite ! And she said Jack Ruby introduced her to Oswald in his Carousel Club & said he was CIA a few days before JFK'S fateful visit. She said Ruby & Oswald knew each other. Let's not forget the Mary Moorman pic showing 3 men behind the fence with the shooter firing the shot. The shooter is dressed like a secret service man. The badgeman & yes there were no secret service agents behind the picket fence. He was a fake. Ruby & Oswald were way too connected to be loners acting alone. Ruby's mob ties & Oswald's ties to the CIA, FBI & KGB. He was not the loner & outsider the WC said. He was too popular with intelligence to act alone. Also LBJ's mistress knew Jack Ruby & said Ruby HATED JFK. Imagine if Oswald lived to stand trial it would not have been an easy open & shut case. All the grassy knoll & railroad bridge witnesses & any other witnesses conflicting with the lone nut narrative would've been called to testify in Oswald's defense. The case for conspiracy outweighs the case of the lone shooter. Not to mention Rodger Craig man of the year 1960 & the mysterious Rambler he & other witnesses saw Oswald escape into after the shooting. It would've been a slugging match & the trial of the century.

[@anniesizemore3344]

@@winggullseagull1230 I do believe Jack Ruby has some involvement in it. He some motivation for what he did to Oswold other than saving Jackie Kennedy the agony of testifying in court. Jack Ruby had connection the mob. Oswold's uncle also had connections to the New Orleans mafia. The mafia does have some history of using people outside their organization. They used an outsider for Joe Columbo's assassination at a Italian pride parade in the 70's. But Oswald's uncle was mob connected. Oswald was seen walking in the direction of Jack Ruby's place after the assassination, but then he was seen turning around. I do believe Oswald was expecting to have a partner that day, and I believe he expected to be helped escaped afterward. By 1963, the mafia had become angry at the Kennedy's. They thought the Kennedy's would leave them alone once elected. Instead, Bobby Kennedy prosecuted them in hearings. The Kennedy's had angered so many people by 1963; Frank Sinatra, Joe Demaggio among others. Kennedy was having an affair with a woman named Judith Extener Campbell who was also having an affair with Sam Giacante. The 1978 House committee on the assassination said there was most likely a conspiracy and more to what happened.

[@winggullseagull1230]

@@anniesizemore3344 The lone gun theorists tend to ignore the fact the HSCA reopened the case in 1978 & they did sound tests to show 4 shots were fired with 1 shot the head shot fired from a 2nd shooter. Also the FBI & CIA admitted to the HSCA they suppressed info & withheld evidence of a conspiracy from the WC in 1964. As I said before LBJ didn't want to expose the conspiracy at the time. The WC's perception of Ruby & Oswald were wrong. Oswald was stationed at a CIA base in the marines. A highly top secret organization & a person had to be highly qualified & intelligent to be in such an exclusive program in Japan the home of the U-2 spy planes. Afterwards he gets a green light & security clearance to go to Russia & they let him stay in Minsk & he meets Marina the niece of a top KGB official. They sent him there to moniter him knowing Marina's uncle was KGB I think his meeting with her was arranged & not a chance encounter. No Americans traveled to the Soviet Union in 1959. And as Ben Gazzara says "and he acts alone without cover without help" ? In this movie Oswald's lawyer asks him if he was part of a plot to kill JFK he asks more than once & Oswald says nothing. They left it ambiguous so the viewers can decide. We assume the role of the jury. But in real life I think the real Oswald would've cracked & spilled it. Because in the 2 days he was in police custody he said to the press & media "I'm just a patsy". The mob & CIA & Jack Ruby heard that on TV so they must've thought we got to shut him up as they feared he would've told the truth at a trial. Exposing the Mob & CIA & maybe Jack Ruby would've gone down in history as the man killing JFK Which is better ?? Shooting JFK or shooting Oswald ?? Here's the irony of it Ruby silences the patsy to prevent a trial & he thought he was going to walk & be seen as a hero. Instead he's convicted & sentenced to die for killing Oswald. Then his conviction is overturned & gets a retrial in 1967. Meantime he made 7 requests to go to washington before the senate committee to blow the lid off & tell what really happened. His requests were denied. They knew he was going to take the stand at his retrial & he gets injected with a cancer inducing serum to silence him. How convenient !! Ruby was also a patsy. 2 can keep a secret but only if 2 are dead. As Ruby said in 1965 "The world will never know the true facts" I'm the only one that knows the truth.....& so did Oswald before Ruby silenced him. He said he shot Oswald to save Jackie an ordeal of a trial ?? What kind of reason is that ?? What did Ruby care about Jackie ??

[@tonym994]

Ben Gazzara ,what's up w/ that mustache? in 1977,the networks were still afraid to show blood, 2 yrs. after the Z film was shown on TV. a ridiculous ending! is Oswald alive? or dead? still and all, a good work of mostly fiction .unfortunately, Oswald's funeral director swore he was visited by 2 feds w/ the rifle ,and they got a palm print off Oswald's corpse.that poses a problem for the story told here .thank you DVP.

[@Sebadiah23]

Tony M Lol, okay moron.

[@TheeSnitch]

I am just thankful that old George is still alive to know that WE know. disgraced his family for next 500 years

[@randyharris3175]

Lol bull

[@kevinmc4500]

And let’s not forget Connolly was sitting on a lower jump seat and 6 inches to his left, so the magic bullet wasn’t so magic

[@randyharris3175]

George who?

[@robertmoir-vj1kq]

I first saw this movie the end of September 1977 I believe all the shots were fired from the school book depository Oswald had the capacity to fire all those shots himself in this movie names were changed to protect the innocent like on Dragnet

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Oswald was a wife beater. He beat her constantly and showed no remorse for it.

[@barrister99]

That is not true.

[@peterfraser9070]

Who here believes Oswald would have just kept denying everything?? See him on film at the police station giving the Communist or Marxist salute? Smirking and Half-smiling, especially that part in the hallway, enjoying the attention? Viva Fidel!!

[@fobrien1]

well if innocent he would deny wouldnt he ? . but yes quilty people deny also . but here is the thing oswald was never proven to have been guilty . even dallas police chief curry said WE NEVER COULD PUT OSWALD IN THAT BUILDING WITH A RIFLE IN HIS HANDS . as for the communist salute its a nonsense . he was showing the press that he was handcuffed . he could have held his hands any number of ways and someone could say its that salute or another . in the end its a nonsense created by lone nut minds . just as oswald leaving all his money behind that morning (knowing he would not be coming home ) is also a nonsense . marina testified that oswald told her he would not come home after work friday but that he would return over the weekend .in addition oswald left zero money that morning , the money found was money and unemployment cheques kept in an old wallet from a time going back months before they lived at the paines . as for the smirking , are you quoting ruby on this ? as his reasoning for shooting him ? . i mean as the film shows no smirk. yes i saw film in a corridor i believe where he had a sort of a smile if you want , but this was when reporters spoke to him and said something that he felt was amusing in some sense or another . i think there is a wealth of facts , info and evidence in this case that can be debated , so no need for talk about theory or what we BELIEVE oswald did .

[@peterfraser9070]

​@@fobrien1 Well, apparently this whole thing is just a big free for all where you get to say any old thing at all and words like 'evidence' and 'fact' lose all meaning. Have a good life.

[@fobrien1]

@@peterfraser9070 i didnt just say anything . i posted an honest and intelligent response . that you chose to attack me and then one assumes opt to not have any discussion of the facts i believe highlights that you have a closed mind .that is nether open to debate or any fact that disputes your beliefs or logic in relation to this case . i in fact said lets not speculate , lets not look at an action we cant know anything about as the only man that knows what he did (oswald ) is dead and cant tell us about it . and also i said lets not go down the route of theory and let us instead talk about the wealth of information , evidence and witnesses etc .but it seems you dont care to do that .

[@peterfraser9070]

@@fobrien1 My point is that there are facts and evidence that were established long ago and have been re-confirmed, like the single bullet, head x-rays, etc, and you just come along and deny those things and pretend they don't exist. I know you prefer a conspiracy because it's simply more interesting than the boring old 'lone assassin', and I think, deep down, you don't actually care what really did happen. It's just like a recreation for you.

[@randyhanson4973]

No chance that Oswald would've ever made it to trial.

[@Caeruleo]

"No chance that Oswald would've ever made it to trial." Why is that?

[@louise_rose]

No, probably not - a point Norman Mailer makes too in his brilliant non-fiction novel "Oswald's Tale". Mailer cautiously tends towards the conclusion that Oswald may have acted alone after all, but he points out that if it was part of his plan to use a trial as a podium to get to speak his mind through the media about his own grievances and the failure of America, then he seems to have completely underestimated how many people would be keen to get rid of him before he ever got to stand trial.

[@Caeruleo]

@@louise_rose That may be, but plenty of people have still gotten away, alive, with using their trials as a podium for expressing controversial political viewpoints. I certainly don't agree with the "no chance" claim made by Randy above, as in an absolute 100 percent impossibility that Oswald would have gone to trial if Jack Ruby hadn't killed him. What if, for example, Jack Ruby had fired at Oswald but missed? Wouldn't it be more likely than not that security around Oswald would then have increased tenfold, and thus increasing the likelihood that Oswald would live long enough to stand trial?

[@brianarbenz7206]

Because the evidence was so mishandled by the local police, and because the FBI had so many dirty secrets it did not want uncovered, it would have been difficult to convict in a fair criminal trial. I believe the U.S. might have intervened with a civil rights civil trial instead. There was no federal law against assassinating the president (one was passed as a result of JFK's killing), so it was in unsteady hands of the Dallas Keystone Cops. A federal civil rights trail might have been the only course to imprison Oswald and uphold the constitutional standard of a fair trail.

[@winggullseagull1230]

Ruby & Oswald were not loners Ruby's mob ties & Oswald's ties to the CIA. LBJ's mistress knew Jack Ruby & said Ruby hated JFK......& so did the Mob & CIA. 2 can keep a secret but only if 2 are dead....first Oswald then later Ruby.

[@nyujay2010]

They got the sequence of shots wrong. The first shot missed, 2nd one in the back/neck (as they passed the street sign), and then the fatal 3rd shot to the head. Having said that, I must say this was a pretty damn entertaining movie and pretty on target with the characters!

[@ronmarvicsin7709]

Jason Goldstein first shot missed correct. Second shot hit the president in the throat, pushing him back. (He was never hit in the back of the neck, but in the back) Third shot hits Connally in the back. Fourth shot hits JFK in the back. Fifth and sixth shots hit Kennedy from the back and from the front side in the head. Back n to the left. There were reports that other bullets hit the grass where you can see pictures of officers looking for them.

[@MrWhitebull]

The truth will never be determined.

[@randyharris3175]

Sure it will Oswald did it.

[@gerardmcglynn3027]

@@randyharris3175 Greer did it.

[@GamesandMoreChannelProductions]

hypothetical Movie

[@TheMrktd1]

+Games and More Channel (Joe) Based on testimony. What's not hypothetical is your ignorance.

[@GamesandMoreChannelProductions]

+TheMrktd1 you need to learn history not fantasy

[@TheMrktd1]

Games and More Channel I have read the Warren Report, the Clark panel, the Rockefeller Commission, the HSCA MEDICAL evidence..........GOT ANY QUESTIONS?

[@Revoluxhumanista19]

+TheMrktd1 and?

[@TheMrktd1]

Revolucionari and you haven't

[@davidviton1065]

That would have been a media circus to end all media circuses

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

The prosecution would easily have been able to dismiss the ridiculous curtain rod defense. They just simply have to ask where were the curtain rods if that is what Oswald claims was in the paper bag. They can't use the argument of cover-up as they would have to prove this. Any competent judge would not allow the defense to use a cover-up defense without bringing evidence of it. No, the judge in the OJ case was not competent.

[@barbaras2669]

The judge didn't issue the verdict in the jury trial the jury did.

[@rocknrebb]

This was interesting and well acted and I have always liked Lorne Green, but there were a lot of important details left out, like the fact that none of Kennedy's wounds were traced. If the powers that be actually wanted to get to the truth that would have been done but during the Garrison trial it came out that the doctors were ordered by a high-ranking cigar chomping General probably Curtis LeMay what to do and what not to do. The fact that Kennedy's brain is missing and what's on record in weight weighs more than a brain in pristine condition from an adult man. How does the president's brain go missing? If that isn't highly suspicious in and of itself I don't know what is! When they were doing the reenactment in the film they didn't hit the Connally ballistic dummy so there was really no accurate reenactment there of the actual events of the shooting. They also didn't mention that 20 doctors orderlies and nurses at Parkland Hospital describe the head wound as having a gaping hole the size of an orange in the back of Kennedy's head and that the throat wound was originally described by Dr Perry as a wound of entrance and I could go on and on. Whatever actually happened there was definitely a conspiracy and a cover-up!

[@winggullseagull1230]

Agree too much was left out & not enough of the grassy knoll & railroad bridge witnesses & the dozens more witnesses seeing 2 men on the 6th floor. All the witnesses never called & ignored & discredited by the WC would've been called to testify for the defense. Witnesses that would've conflicted & sank the lone gun narrative like Lee Bowers & Ed Hoffman & Bill Newman & Victoria Adams, Arnold Rowland & Beverly Oliver & Rodger Craig & the Rambler station wagon he & Helen Forrest & Richard Carr & others saw Oswald escape into after the shooting. Evidence for conspiracy is overwhelming.

[@randyharris3175]

Youre confused the autopsy drs were being hurried. They tried to trace the wound in the upper back but the muscles have closed up they stopped so they wouldn't make a false passage. Humes testified under penalty of Perjury he was in charge of the autopsy.

[@randyharris3175]

Kennedy brain only went missing between 1965 and 1966 the HSCA concluded Robert Kennedy took the brain.

[@randyharris3175]

The reason the drs at Parkland are not in the movie because all the drs didn't say that that is a myth.

[@randyharris3175]

Perry was wrong about the entry wound in the throat he found that out Sat Morning when Humes called him.

[@charlottevongrees1865]

E A LEGENDA EM PT BRASIL?SE E SO EM INGLES PARA QUE EXIBIR NO BRASIL?FALTA DE RESPEITO COM OS ASSINANTES BRASILEIROS DA PLATAFORM

[@hairypolack]

1:56 .28 the actor playing welsey frazier sounds but doesn't look like Joe Bob Briggs

[@hairypolack]

And Ben Gazzarra did a really spoof of Lorne Green

[@maynardsmoreland]

Had Oswald lived, this would have been the result: Prosecuted; Convicted; Executed.

[@randyharris3175]

Yes I don't think it would have took too long. Starkweather was convicted in 1958 executed in 1959

[@greggabel7238]

ONLY if he committed the assassination. There are those who believe that he was just a Patsy

[@greggabel7238]

​Charles Starkweather is Not comparable to Lee Oswald. Both men were born in the late 1930's, died in Central Time Zone. Starkweather would NEVER been accepted in the Marines or any other military branch of service

[@TowGunner]

Anyone who still believes Oswald fired a shot is misinformed or severely ignorant.

[@ethanedwards7557]

@@greggabel7238Yes, uninformed nuts.

[@CosmicStudios408]

14:37 23:08 3:02:12

[@donkorsilviadonkor2487]

they only care about the shots

[@silviadonkor1075]

hi I'm donkor Silvia I changed my profile pic

[@secondcomingofbast9908]

There were seven shots. No way the TSBD shooter (Oswald or otherwise-probably otherwise) shot more than three of them. Here are his shots- #1. Hit Kennedy's back (probably his back brace), causing him to exclaim "I've been hit". #4. Hit Kennedy in the back of the head, causing his head to go slightly forward before shot #5 (from a different assassin from in front right) sent it "back and to the left". (This same assassin was also responsible for the nearly simultaneous #6 shot). #7 (3rd and last shot fired from TSBD) Missed the limo and caused the ricochet that hit bystander James Tague. That leaves #2 and #3, not fired from Oswald nor from near his vicinity. So, to round everything up- #2 was the throat shot and was delivered under cover of the pergola, lined up to perfectly coincide with Kennedy's emergence from behind the Stemmons sign.. #3 was from the picket fence area and was intended to take out Connaly. His shooting was not an accident. Sorry kiddies, but sometimes the simple explanations are not always the right ones. There are bad boogie men in the world and they are not all lone gunmen. And yes. there are many evil and corrupt people in our government who don't care to do bad things to good people.

[@franclin0]

you missed the last 2 shots from Santa and the Easter bunny.

[@secondcomingofbast9908]

@@franclin0 Hi, Fed.

[@franclin0]

@@secondcomingofbast9908 Fed?

[@secondcomingofbast9908]

@@franclin0 If you're telling me Oswald acted alone you have to be either a fed or an idiot.

[@peterfraser9070]

"There were seven shots.": Seven shots were fired, but people only heard 3? Four of those shots missed?! Clint Hill heard SIX shots before he finally ran to the limo??!! Don't be so stupid. And this is the head shot, by the way. Did the pieces of skull fly forward because they were part of a conspiracy? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@jessiejames7492]

Till today no one can say 100% it was Oswald. So many theories. He was a perfect fall guy. His past, going to russia etc.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Till today no one can say 100% it was Oswald. So many theories.": That's just because no one bothers to actually read about what the mountain of evidence was against Oswald; they just read about conspiracy stuff cause it's more interesting to them. I used to be like that, but then I got better.

[@randyharris3175]

I think you can.

[@wallacebell4311]

@@peterfraser9070The Warren Commission Report was able to prove with facts, proof, evidence, science, sworn testimony and sworn statements that LHO fired three bullets in approximately 11.2 seconds (time frame from research of Max Holland) killing Kennedy and wounding Connolly, killing J. D. Tippit and attempted to kill retired General Walker and Officer McDonald. No credible evidence has ever been made to see the light of day that proves any other shooter or anyone involved in a conspiracy. Misinformation, half truths and many lies are the tricks that “Journalistic scavengers” like Mark Lane, Oliver Stone and Robert Groden use in their many conspiracy stories.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@wallacebell4311 I agree 100%.

[@rogersanderscustoms8121]

I feel that although Lee was the lone gunman in Dealey Plaza, he had assistance from several groups including some Cubans, some members of the Mob, and the selective lack of attention of those who disliked Jack Kennedy.

[@randyharris3175]

What assistant did he need a 12.95 mail order rifle and the ooportunity.

[@randyharris3175]

opportunity. The black guys didnt run out of the building after the shots

[@randyharris3175]

Frazier never agreed the package was that length.

[@randyharris3175]

Frazier actually said he didnt actually pay that much attention to the package.

[@wallacebell4311]

@@randyharris3175His sister testified to the Warren Commission that she saw LHO carrying a heavy brown package that almost touched the ground. She estimated the package length was about 2 1/2 feet. Please remember she just looked without trying memorize because the guy carrying a package didn’t mean anything to her.

[@davidturner6212]

Oswald displayed too much consciousness of guilt to have been set up... He ran away, and was so desperate to get away that he shot and killed a police officer. Then he tried hiding in a movie theater. After taken into custody, the press asked him about his black eye, and he just sheepishly said, "A policeman hit me."... He was a model prisoner who pretended to know nothing, and he calmly asked for a lawyer... Patsies don't kill cops. Where was the outrage?.. Innocent suspects act one way, and guilty suspects act another way. Innocent suspects are often angry, and guilty suspects often keep their cool. Calculating. All that said, I am 100% certain that Oswald could not have and did not act alone. That there were co-conspirators. Those who planned the motorcade route, and positioned Oswald at the TSBD. These traitors all but pulled the trigger... Were there other snipers in place? There is some evidence of that, but they were only in place in case Oswald, the designated fall-guy, missed. Oswald didn't miss, and all three shots came from him. All other theories have been debunked, but my theory has not, because that is what actually happened... There are a host of other red flags that strongly point to conspiracy, as well... Like all the attention Oswald got before the assassination. The positioning of Abraham Zapruder, who was there to document the assassination. What value would his film have had, then or since, if no assassination took place, and Kennedy just driving by? The value of such a film would have been minimal. A few seconds of the least interesting part of the motorcade route. Nothing else in the shot to provide context, scale or importance. Or time and place, or what event. The Zapruder film without the assassination would have been pointless. SO, WHAT WAS ZAPRUDER DOING THERE?.. Then you have the symbolism of the black umbrella man and the Cuban right there at the exact spot where Kennedy was to be taken out. They were there to let Kennedy know why he was about to die, and they could have also been used as signal men... Then you have the assassination of the assassin by another shady character. So, how did they all get away with it?.. It was the conspiracy nonsense that poisoned the well, and allowed the establishment to discredit and ridicule all conspiracy theories, including the credible and plausible ones... Ditto 9/11... The conspiracy nonsense that was mixed in with probable theories is what got the neocons off the hook... Conspiracy nonsense is used as a straw man to misrepresent the opposing view. Here's the big smoking gun about 9/11: Amateur Cessna pilots cannot fly commercial jet airliners, let alone with military precision, and getting everything just right on the first attempt, which was the one and only chance that the accused hijackers had. I don't know of any pilots who believe the official story for how those jetliners were flown... They were flown remotely... What does all this mean?.. It means that we have a completely deceitful, subversive and treasonous government-media complex that has turned the U.S. into a tyrannical rogue nation. Another Nazi Germany, but this one is armed with nuclear weapons.

[@wallacebell4311]

And another Idiot shows his ignorance! Good job Jackwagon!!!

[@DanC-go9lc]

In conclusion ---- the United States is like Nazi Germany, only worse ??? Just curious where do you live in the United States, and what kinds of people do you hang out with David Turner ?

[@randyharris3175]

Wrong.

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

The handling of the bag scene is ridiculous. Once you have got used to handling something you know how to carry it. I know this from working in a warehouse. Oswald was in the marines he knew how to carry weapons with ease. My sister can dance in high heels, I mean proper dance. Most people can't. It doesn't mean it can't be done.

[@peterrusso6062]

Oswald pretend trial shows all the events that took place. In seeing the Book depository 1986, I was able to open the sixth floor window. Oswald had quite a view of the road way where JFK was coming by. Peter Russo

[@pedicabdiaries2460]

at 1.56 is that "Joe Bob Briggs" as the guy who car pooled with Oswald?

[@ronmarvicsin7709]

Pedicab Diaries no Frazier.

[@biukucanoe]

"supposed jealousy of JFK on Lee's part because he though Mirina was hot for him " That's why he did it?

[@randyharris3175]

Have not heard that one

[@randyharris3175]

No hell no

[@randyharris3175]

The most unrealistic part of this is the Hosty note it wouldn't have been destroyed if Oswald lived and the suspicious deaths Jan 1964 there were none.

[@brianarbenz1329]

The theory is that the FBI immediately destroyed the note Oswald had left to try to cover up the FBI's incompetence in allowing Oswald free roam in the depository building that day.

[@randyharris3175]

@@brianarbenz1329 That absolutely did not happen Hosty told exactly how that went down.After Oswald was killed on Sunday Shanklin told Hosty to destroy the note. They didn't want it to get back to Hoover they were covering their ass plain and simple.

[@brianarbenz1329]

@@randyharris3175 That's pretty much what I just said.

[@fobrien1]

@@brianarbenz1329 as usual there is a bit more to this than randy will tell you . the note according to lone nutters contained a threat by oswald to blow up the fbi building .that would have been gold to hoover , he could have used that to really show oswald was a lunatic . in fact if you watch the movie parkland which is biased , and inaccurate , omits a lot and distorts truth you will see they mention such a threat in the movie . however hosty always maintained it simply said that oswald was not happy that he attempted to or had spoken to his wife without him (oswald ) being present . given that marina was not a citizen and also that she had limited english . was there a degree of ass covering going on ? yes i dont doubt that . but hoover knew about oswald , knew he was being watched etc , he knew oswalds po box was being watched . so if anyone should be covering their ass it was hoover who knew a lot more about oswald and this case than many will know . he knew and said in memo as early as 1960 that while oswald was provably inn russia that someone may be using his identification . he knew the cia had a man on film and audio who they said was oswald . hoover admitted that the man on film was not oswald , durran and azcue both said in affect that oswald was not the man they spoke to at the embassy . durann said the man she spoke to was blonde and in testimony azcue said that the man he saw killed on tv (oswald ) was not the man he spoke to that day .and hoover had audio of a conversation with a man saying he was oswald and hoover admitted IT WAS NOT OSWALDS VOICE .who was covering their ass here ? .

[@randyharris3175]

Fobrien no proof Hoover knew anybody was watching Oswald he absolutely didn't all the evidence shows that. So sorry you're wrong.

[@kingrobthegreat7446]

NOT GUILTY

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Most re-enactment show that people with similar skill to Oswald were able to make those shots. Some people below his standard were able to.

[@johnsutton3600]

not so Ajmal. The FBI had to remount the scope using metal shims which are now warren commission exhibits. without them the gun was out by 14 inches over 100 yards. the commission re-enactment used shooters at 30 feet high, not 60 feet like the 6th floor and firing at still targets. CBS at least used used a 60 foot tower and moving target but only 2 out of 11 experienced shooters were successful, using accurately sighted rifles. don't be fooled by Oswald being a marksman, that is the lowest class for a marine and he barely scraped in for that. he left no fingerprints on gun or bullets and a paraffin test revealed no nitrate trace on his cheeks...conclusion? he did not do it.

[@annetessari1004]

@@johnsutton3600 good on you. this Ajmal was driving me nuts ;-}

[@barbaras2669]

Not for the Warren Commission tests and they were expert gunmen.

[@MaritimeToast]

I dont care what people say Oswald just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. He was accused cause he looked enough like the description. Oswald was a patsy.

[@randyharris3175]

Thats why he left the building without permission. Shot officer Tippit.

[@peterfraser9070]

What's up with all the 70's haircuts and clothes? It's kinda hard to pretend it's 1963 when the guys have long hair and bell bottoms.

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

2.42. Why keep Marina alive? If all these witnesses die in mysterious circumstances, why not take care of Oswald's inner circle.

[@randyharris3175]

Because that would be dishonest

[@AMC2283]

Right, since they didn’t kill everyone who ever spoke to LHO let’s ignore the witnesses and the sketchy ballistics and murder of him

[@barrister99]

Because she cooperated and that would have been too suspicious.

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Lee may have changed his stance on certain things like on JFK, but he was a Communist through and through. His motivations weren't necessarily down to his political beliefs. He wanted to be recognised and felt angry that his intelligence and abilities (as far as he saw them) were not recognised. Killing Kennedy gave him noteriety.

[@62426637]

He fits the profile. Other than Lincoln, they are almost always lone losers with delusions of grandeur who want to leave their mark. And he did!

[@simonholyoak8869]

In your opinion

[@watermelonlalala]

6:28 Lee needs a booster seat.

[@ElliottMichaels56]

President Kennedy's murder may never be truly solved. This may well be the Great American Mystery!

[@DanC-go9lc]

May be. OR perhaps it truly was solved by 1964.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Along with what really happened to Marilyn Monroe. Interesting Bobby was also murdered.