the trolley problem

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[@pgames2303]

“Well obviously the dilemma is clear. How do you kill all 6 people? I would dangle a sharp blade out the window...” Michael, 10/19/17

[@razvanvasilache7834]

me 2

[@johnhauptmanjr.6144]

Good Place

[@thecrazyraccoonyt]

Same

[@wulthawhitastand7113]

I love the good place

[@emi_8926]

“That’s 10 more buddy” -Chidi, 10/19/17

[@sirxzibitoftheroundtable1046]

I'm assuming this guy is unaware of multi-track drifting, where you can get all 6 people

[@slimkid206]

I need that 25 kill streak and NOW

[@maryjaneborja4932]

@@slimkid206 tactical nuke incoming

[@Sethilliano]

I know

[@raptorjesus5412]

@@slimkid206 the British empire approves of this comment and you know it’s sincere when I’m drinking Yorkshire tea gold

[@slimkid206]

Edit: I am going to ruin this comment

[@woldsy7960]

As a Brit, a trolley is what you Americans call a “shopping cart”, so this problem doesn’t affect us :)

[@Snow-hd4yk]

Wait I'm not American or British mAtE but what is the American meaning of trolley?

[@lengers]

@@Snow-hd4yk its like a small train thing i think

[@12.fractures]

@@Snow-hd4yk mate??

[@TankEngine75]

@@Snow-hd4yk Trolley means Tram in America,I know this as I'm a train enthusiast :)

[@po.emazing3845]

@@12.fractures Yeah it's a stereotype that British people say mate, that's why he said it

[@wwpphantom1186]

Pull the lever at the perfect time so it slides on both rails and kills everyone. Then I can just be universally hated.

[@GeoRunnerz]

That's what you call MULTI TRACK DRIFTO

[@oliverseasky]

The only right answer is multi-track drifting

[@SonGoku-777]

Lmaooooo 😭

[@drq_seed]

I would make it seven

[@Logistics_personal-traffic_jam]

Well duh And the only other right answer is to pull the lever and untying the one guy

[@drq_seed]

@@Logistics_personal-traffic_jam right anserw is multi-track drifting and jumping under the train if enough luck it will kill the conductor (sorry I don't speak english very well) and then it will be eight people dead

[@evangelionfan2A]

Godamn right you are

[@pizuka2]

Me realizing I'm fat myself: *_I know what I must do but I don't have the strength to do it_*

[@a418128]

:Shoves: Here ya go buddy, be a hero

[@remn3nt266]

@@a418128 *threatens you with a gun* There you go champ

[@arrayofstupidity]

why is your name pipizuzukaka

[@pizuka2]

@@arrayofstupidity I'm using ヅ here as du or dzu, so *_peepeedoodoocaca_*

[@arrayofstupidity]

@@pizuka2 funni

[@xemirahobbyless]

During my finals I had this as an ethics question. I said "I'd tell the fat guy so he can decide for himself" 😂😅

[@denki-8397]

We did this in school, and my class went deep into this lol, like we talked about this for an hour

[@conorgiblin1517]

Its simple dont touch it or its murder how can you talk about that for an hours

[@conorgiblin1517]

Hour*

[@denki-8397]

@@conorgiblin1517 idk my class think too much XD also it's opinion based

[@denki-8397]

@Andrei Salvaleon I think it was to let the one person die but I can't remember

[@ohhhbirdy5975]

@@conorgiblin1517 ??? So what if it’s 100,000 people instead of 5. Stupid

[@T3nMiDGET5711]

The first problem: For me it depends who’s on the tracks The Second problem: I’d push Nikocado Avacado to save those people

[@TherealGenghisKhan1162]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 my head hurts when I laugh

[@reedrazor7546]

??I don't get it

[@TherealGenghisKhan1162]

@@reedrazor7546 search up Nikocado Avacado and you’ll know exactly why

[@yourleftkidney6105]

Or just let him die then the other person DOUBLE KILL

[@big4head381]

Yeah, end that avocado's misery

[@somerobotdude7598]

When I was young I always liked this question wondering “how fat is the fat man in order to stop the train”

[@dylankagan9695]

My favorite part is that a trolley or other track following vehicle like that doesn’t need much to derail it. A penny or three on a rail has a 70% chance of detailing it

[@sirrayveltal8610]

Dude's fat enough to have a heart attack by blinking if hes big enough to stop a train.

[@sinthyst4628]

Wouldn't want to shove him off and everyone just dies anyway

[@EEEEEEEE]

@@sirrayveltal8610 The dude's american

[@SethHanLee]

Enough

[@lemon_3612]

If we're talking about society today and the prison system, some people wouldn't switch. They wouldn't be charged with manslaughter and a prison record wouldn't hinder them from accomplishing things, as a prison sentence usually does.

[@melina886]

It is messed up either way. Some people say it's better to sacrifice one life for many, but what if that one life could save a thousand more people?

[@huuphatnguyen604]

@@melina886 But what if the 5 lives you saved by switching can saves thousands of people too? Your comment makes no sense to me

[@melina886]

@@huuphatnguyen604 What I mean is that this riddle shouldn't exist because it puts us under an unnecessary dilemma

[@LibSoc_Dixie]

If you just let 5 people die, your getting sued either way.

[@huuphatnguyen604]

@@LibSoc_Dixie that's actually not how it's work. You wouldn't get sued when you see a man killing 5 people on the road. However if you push someone on the road to take the gunshot for the 5 victim you would be getting sued even if the 5 victim survive

[@hAck_3r64]

Also imagine if the one person on the other track you could switch it to was someone you know, like your best friend or a family member.

[@IsaacWhispers]

“All you have to do is push the fat man, seems morally ha-“ *Me who is already thinking of a fake story to tell the police and the mans family*

[@Breezy_Haze]

Lmao same

[@-.--Y..-U...S..-U..-.F]

You: He was such a good man... sacrificing his life for saving 5 people Police: we have cam footage You: fck my luck

[@rawcookiedough7518]

Yep. I'd do it

[@hqru_877]

@@-.--Y..-U...S..-U..-.F LMAO

[@hqru_877]

Tbh this is what im gonna do... You know im about to push Nikocado Avocado of that bridge

[@WeloTwelve]

The smart answer would be to do nothing so you don’t get out in jail

[@aioctober873]

Well killing someone would be saving five people Now you got a real problem You are now protected by the Good Samaritan law because you saved five people But now you are also a murderer Well it really isn’t a problem because the Good Samaritan law only protects the person from being sued when they saved the individual life that they are suing

[@labo3900]

Yeah basically it is legally less punishable to do nothing (non assistance to endangered person) than to kill someone (volontary homicide) even if there is an attenuation considering the fact you saved 5 people

[@OG_CK2018]

I would rather save the lives of 5 people and go to jail

[@luizoliveira7595]

No jail for me, the fat guy gets to live.

[@andreibruck1947]

Why not sacrifice yourself

[@koifish4276]

listen, the train wouldn’t kill anyone if you kill all 6 guys first

[@ShinySahil]

When the first part of the trolley gets past switch and so each side has a trolley and kill them all.

[@marcosrios3932]

A wise man once said “IF THE TRAIN SWERVES HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THEM OUT!”

[@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68]

*MULTI TRACK DRIFTING*

[@scorchercast8366]

@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 beat me to it

[@No-fh9je]

Deja Vu! I've just been in this place before

[@K-os_Insurgent]

@@No-fh9je Higher on the streets than I have before!

[@kinsisrobertia1755]

He told me to pull out my camera

[@evanbuckley6766]

If a man is fat enough to stop a speeding trolley, morals say that he doesn’t have much longer left to live anyway and his life must already be miserable enough for him to be that way in the first place.

[@ScubaShark--8964]

_But someone could have been living happily with their own body-shape-!!_ *_He have 2 kids... A whole tribe family, living happily... Waiting for the trolley to go back to his island where his tribe and family lives._*

[@slyking214]

@@ScubaShark--8964 At least he gets to die a martyr.

[@logic2015]

He mighr have been on top of the bridge to commit suicide so I'm in a way helping him😶😶😶

[@orangelemon8458]

This just shows the ugly side of humanity.

[@brotherofthegaming9925]

@@orangelemon8458 Its only a theory

[@tacos300l]

me reading all of this who won't even pull the lever in the classic problem 💀

[@-Chicken_]

It’s all fun and games until you push the fat man and miss the trolley

[@bigslim7870]

“You need to put something really heavy to stop the trolly, but there is a fat man right next to you” Don’t worry, I’m MUCH bigger.

[@marlowcatto2710]

ironic, innit mr big slim

[@yaboi5460]

Pretty sure dropping a fat man on the track would kill everyone in the area

[@zenixu4860]

Your name makes this alot funnier

[@MysticRainbow6]

not funny

[@reedrazor7546]

@@MysticRainbow6 Humour is subjective so you should say "not funny to me" so nobody will shit on you

[@note5068]

My answer on the 1st problem: "Take that one person, tie him up, and add it to the 5 tied up person, so you have a 6 kill lead ahead of your friends"

[@zylaaa8759]

Lmaoo people are so evil, I would pull the lever and then untie the one person, boom saved all 6

[@Potato928]

Soon the Nuke is ready

[@JellyAntz]

r/cursedcomments

[@adamtoksvig8337]

Not funny

[@Danilul2]

And then throw the fat guy to get a 7 kill streak

[@nizargutomo7969]

That one 2 year old: move the 1 person to the 5 people, *and then let the train hit 6 people*

[@LHoriginal]

Whenever he says "trolley" I just think of someone getting ran over by the thing you use in a shop also known as a "trolley"

[@alzingafagan7501]

The real answer: Find the Sick SOB tying people train tracks and off him and everything's solved. No but seriously, the trolley problem is the most morally questionable problem, because if you choose to save many by sacrificing one, you will be seen as a hero who saved 5 people but also a uncaring bastard for sacrificing one. If you do it vice versa, you are an evil SoB for letting 5 people croak, just to save one. Point is,if you add spices to the question and how you view the problem before you, your theoretical answer is going to be vastly different everytime.

[@TheAnimatedOsprey]

The problem with this question is that is is heavily loaded and basically ends with you becoming a murderer. In real life, human ingenuity would likely lead to more problem solving options than just pulling the lever and watching what happens.

[@erenakay8873]

You wont be evil if you dont do anything and let 5 die. You will be neutral, its not your job to save people. Nobody can judge you for somebody else tying people into rails. I would most likely save 5, without having any information. For example what if you knew one of them? Like would you kill 5 people or your mother? I would choose my mother obviously. Or would you kill 5 elderly or 1 baby? Would you sacrifice 1 elderly for 5 teens?

[@jakelagas5881]

Your point of view is how society sees you after the deed. But what would you do if it is just your choice without societal views?

[@crqf2010ruler]

@@TheAnimatedOsprey A murder only occurs if you act upon something you have no control of, so in the case of a car going against a crowd because you lost control of it and to the other side there is a mother with her son, if you so choose to steer the car towards that lone mother you are comitting murder as you chose the destiny of an uncontrollable action.

[@crqf2010ruler]

@@erenakay8873 It all depends ultimately on wether you are willing to be charged as a (good intentioned) murderer or will just observe the fatalistical option.

[@angrysammo]

*pushes fat man* “Oh my god, you killed that fat man” “Excuse me, how insensitive of you, I killed that metabolically-challenged man”

[@z4chh4]

Lmao

[@themyofmy]

wow nice joke 🏊🏃🤼🤽💆

[@mctg9043]

Hilarious 😑

[@kimtaylor5903]

I would leave cause I don't know them

[@G10_GIO]

I have a solution to this here riddle........you make it *seven people on the track*

[@memehivefive7145]

Last time someone spared someone with an option not to, that person became a war criminal.

[@picturebreakdown]

The second doesn’t hold up because you don’t know if the man will stop the trolly from moving so you can’t just push him

[@yourcoolesttechguy202]

Bruh this takes the weird phenominon of eating waffles at lunch to a whole new level lol

[@zoli604]

Why eating waffles at lunch is a weird phenomenon?

[@willemvanroijen2225]

@@zoli604 Because that is what humanity has become...

[@yourcoolesttechguy202]

@@zoli604 hmmmm idk lol

[@Hitokiri1912]

@@willemvanroijen2225 OH GOD ARE OUR KIDS GONNA EAT VEGETABLES FOR VEGETABLES NOO PLEASEE NOOOO

[@suii9677]

Im confused

[@hugo57k91]

If he's so fat he can stop a moving trolley by just being in front of it, it means he probably doesn't have a lot of time left

[@eehhh636]

@pee baller I red the article about this experiment. Unfortunately, It was only supposed to have 2 option. Which is scarfing/killing one person to save 5 persons, or to not switch the lever or not push the fat man, resulting to death of 5 people. It is said that finding the solution to the problem, isn't the problem. The study was mainly focused on the Utilitarian and deontological perspective. Which is quite interesting.

[@K61p3]

Im confused- are we talking about a shopping trolley or?? 😂😂

[@eehhh636]

@@K61p3 A trolley rail train cord

[@louisalex98]

Told that on my ethics class... Got scolded by body positivity peeps

[@eehhh636]

@@louisalex98 Really? Put the goddamn doughnut down. Or I push them instead

[@kyrieezra6653]

If he pulled the lever that change the track I think the one person that is gonna die is him but that thing is heroic

[@ThatKingAlex]

If you do nothing, you won't be involved of murder... Heheh

[@Craftzhie]

People who focused with the parkour: Wait, what? Sorry I'm not listening

[@Rayketsu]

I literally had to start the video over bc I wasn’t paying attention to what he was saying

[@dinonuggies0072]

Lolf

[@KydaWoIf]

I was listening and watching lol

[@indygirlfriend]

I have Autism, I focused on BOTH and now I'm having a sensory overload-

[@noob___]

Jokes on you I did both

[@Lila-tq8kz]

There is also other things to consider in this problem. Say you switch the lever, then you are the killer of someone and if you don't flip the lever you aren't affecting anything in the problem. It just gets worse though when they change the one person into someone you know well/ are close with.

[@brambleleaves47]

I've never thought switching is right as if you leave it, those 5 people were going to die, if you intervene you've killed a person. If you don't you've just let events happen

[@arieltm1193]

@@brambleleaves47 It's not like it's destiny... They are, in the problem, tied up. Why would you think letting life do its things is the way to act? If you see someone trying to stab another one and, somehow, you could make it stop, would you? Or would you just let "life do its things" because it was somehow going to happen??

[@brambleleaves47]

@@arieltm1193 no, the difference is if someone was stabbing someone and to stop the stabbing you had to let a otherwise completely fine person die. I let it happen because if I don't someone is killed who would otherwise live.

[@arieltm1193]

@@brambleleaves47 I wasn't making another problem, I was just saying that letting life do his things is not a proper mindset in that position.

[@brambleleaves47]

@@arieltm1193 I believe it is when it kills someone else if you change events rather than allowing them to play out.

[@tatorgamor9475]

Well like a great man once said “I’ll sacrifice myself to save them all”

[@splitreality8712]

Depending on how fast the trolley is a how far then it’s possible to move them away Judging from how far most people can see, you can easily see the trolley incredibly early. Meaning you can hit the switch and get the one person out of the way. Saving everyone The second one depends on how low the over pass is. Since you’re probably in the middle you could probably drop down to the ground (hang by your hands and drop yourself down from there) and move the people out of the way. Also killing no one and sustaining maybe a sprained ankle

[@trashbin9285]

The point isn’t in how you can save all 6 people - this is a thought experiment where you question whether you would sacrifice 1 person for 5

[@reversedreverse9820]

Just stop this isn't about finding a loophole it's a moral dilemma

[@ernest_exe2691]

“Do you have an existential crisis?” “No” “Would you like to?”

[@VanshVadhavan]

Yes

[@Hitokiri1912]

Nah

[@trussedseeker6223]

I read that as Robbie rotten lol

[@ramenemu_4376]

The answer is easy the fat man and I'm sorry but in a survival situation you would always push the fat man so if I had a choice even if it wasn't for survival I push him

[@prodigy1636]

@@ramenemu_4376 I'm pushing the fat guy for being fat and if I happen to save 5 ppl then so be it 😂

[@Velociraptor69420]

The person tied up: “oH nO dAdDy uNtiE me UwU” So obviously you hit the switch

[@Storm_Bird456]

Oh god yes, hit the switch for the love of all that is holy, HIT THE FUCKING SWITCH!

[@flufflecake9232]

Flick it, NOW

[@knockknockiminyourcloset6692]

So anyways I started drifting

[@kuraiferox3950]

@@knockknockiminyourcloset6692 HAHA dude that was enough to set you off? Im sensitive but not THAT sensitive🤓

[@2crispy75]

@@kuraiferox3950 we all would have hit it anyway that comment is just adding butter to the bread

[@acoolk]

“Honestly if you find yourself skilled enough to derail a train it may drift and hit everybody” 💀

[@user-we4ln9jt9y]

“Say there was a fat guy next to you” Basically “say the train just stopped and went away”

[@wildun1701]

As a British person, I really thought of a shopping kart going down hill to hit 5 people.

[@ournotsoperfectlife9471]

Lol😂 bruh what

[@peristero6565]

Lmao, that's actually funny tho

[@arkanon8661]

Wait, that’s not what it meant? I thought the same

[@SilveryBlue1010]

Same XD

[@zubatgang799]

Same man, I was really confused, and thought that they'd get some bruises and maybe a arm or two broken, but nothing too major.

[@kztv4568]

Considering a trolley in the UK is a “shopping cart” in the US. I think they would be ok in the uk Edit: yeah I get that everyone was thinking the same thing, thanks for all the likes! It’s the most I’ve ever gotten. Edit 2 : 1k likes..wow

[@minth088]

LMFAO YEAH

[@unknownshadow6814]

In the uk it would be a train I studied law and this is something we covered I can't remember the name of this scenario but yeah

[@mollieadele]

At first that’s what I thought he has talking about

[@kztv4568]

@@unknownshadow6814 a trolley in america is like a train in the middle of the road, but we don’t have any here.

[@leonardochapman4736]

@@kztv4568 well, we have trams, and they often intersect with roads

[@annonnist639]

"Let me explain" *continues to make my brain hurt*

[@GamerRobYT]

Easy way to harm (almost) nobody. While the trolley is going straight switch it to make it derail.

[@subline_funtime]

Nerds: hit the one person to save all Chads: hit that Tokyo drift

[@thecountercounter9127]

*N-NANI?! M-MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING?!*

[@subline_funtime]

@@athletetic the goal was to kill everyone

[@subline_funtime]

@@athletetic no offense man, but what have you been smoking, and can I have some?

[@subline_funtime]

@@athletetic why would I be offended by that lol

[@subline_funtime]

@@athletetic bro what are you even talking about at this point. I was making a reference to a meme and your here telling story’s about country’s economy’s failings because of trains. But keep going you got me interested.

[@kavithahawaldar6563]

When he says pull the lever: *flashbacks to the 'pull the lever cronk!' meme*

[@bupduppers2947]

Fucking pardon me? did you just call him “grunk”? It’s fuckin cronk you potato

[@kavithahawaldar6563]

@@bupduppers2947 lol I didn't realize

[@DaneH64]

*WRONG L E V e e r r*

[@indygirlfriend]

I had flash backs the sander sides-

[@lovelyloser6116]

"why do I even have that lever"

[@Survwithagun]

There are 5 people on a track, you can pull a lever to kill 1 PERSON BUT If you pull it it won't do the sick loopdeloop

[@Forrest_O.]

I would pull the lever that would hurl the trolley into a children’s hospital.

[@Lea-is-sleeping]

Me, a fat person: I think I'm gonna stay away from trains and bridges for a while.

[@trel7612]

You should stay away from McDonalds

[@edod.c.2056]

@@trel7612 bruuuhhh loool

[@yumekojabami-kakegurui9889]

@@trel7612 cursed comments

[@iamsam-cu9rz]

@@trel7612 MCDONALDS TRAIN IS COMING FOR YOU

[@finchfreelancer3848]

Shoot the fucking tires I did

[@rogue6827]

Murderous psychopaths be like: “the answer is obvious, you let the trolley kill the five people and then you kill the other. Easy.”

[@Stasiaa1212]

As a person with psychosis I can interject and say I’d just let it kill the one.

[@Kirrori_]

There is also to let it kill them because if you pull the lever to the 1 person it would technically be your fault because you switched to that particular person

[@toatoast1800]

Well not psychotic it ain't your fault if someone dies because of someone else's mistake and you can control fate but it will be your fault if if someone dies

[@bugle9756]

No witnesses

[@peepermcbeeper2997]

Psychosis =/= psychopath...

[@marpards8867]

It doesn't matter if you even choose the options because the people that you have killed will be grieved by friends, family, and you. Also, because of this also means that any choice doesn't matter and there will always be after- consequences ,affecting at least one person including you.

[@awid6849]

If I let the 5 people die by doing nothing my actions didn't cause anyone's death. But if I flick the lever to switch the track my actions caused the death of a person who wouldn't have died if I didn't flick the lever

[@matthewphilips5387]

Nobody gonna speak about the fact that he doesnt lift his head when he is doing parkour

[@Lunk87]

He has enough field of view to see where he's going, but he's also looking at a low enough angle to be able to land precisely.

[@limtbreakerx_x200]

I wouldn’t do it because I don’t know if “I pushed him into the train to stop the train and save the others” will hold up on court :/

[@Noadvantage246]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, even flipping the switch you could get manslaughter for killing that person or at the very least would likely get sued for an insane amount by their family

[@pinata111colada]

Well it's an ethics hypothetical to test your logical consistency, so you ignore things like that.

[@jjas7265]

It would honestly for me depend on if the five people were good or if the 1 person was good but if they were both good pull the switch so that 5 people could live, it would also be the same for the fat guy if the 5 people were mean then I'd just not push him but if he was mean then I would but if they both were good then I'd still push the fat man 🤷‍♀️

[@thebaconncreators2224]

But if you did nothing would you be an accessory to murder. I think it's better morals to flip it than worry about court.

[@thebaconncreators2224]

@@jjas7265 but that's judging pepole based on there morals, and that's bad morals. So you wouldn't be any better than them.

[@MrFatCatMan]

”Sometimes the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few”

[@Wildanimalrescue]

for the second scenario, i wasnt thinking abt morally correct or incorrect, i was just thinking of if the guy was fat enough to stop the trolly

[@SuperH06]

POV: Your a British person wondering why people are so scared of a trolley

[@pekeerfamily8111]

Ya we call it a trolley to but I live in South Africa

[@ScubaShark--8964]

I'm also freaked out why- Xd

[@ScubaShark--8964]

Like the trolley in Tesco, do they call it ''shopping cart'' or some sort?

[@thesunwillneverset]

@@ScubaShark--8964 Yes. As a Brit, I think we call "trolleys" trams, or I guess equivalent to a train or particularly fast bus

[@SuperH06]

@@thesunwillneverset they say trolly and we say trams, so yes your right

[@rich93147]

I'd try to swerve the train if I could, so I could drift and hit all of them. We only take strikes not splits 💯

[@gavrianhorner5302]

multi track drifting

[@mrpineapple3942]

You sicko xd

[@swankytankyengine6013]

just play some eurobeat, the train will do its thing

[@Ayan-sz8cd]

@@swankytankyengine6013 lol

[@fetstollotstef3075]

N-NANI KANSAI DRIFTO??!!!

[@mrmaak916]

As the vulcans say: "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, or the one."

[@Yeo-]

Here’s the plan: I change the trains direction midway as it goes down the rails, causing it to flip over and crush all six people. I get 1500 bonus points for 100% completion and move onto the next level

[@labcoat-1969]

The good ending

[@rogim4733]

*mad scientist kills hundred of ppl but find cure to cancer* everyone: "omg u r so baaad" also everyone: *pulls the leaver*

[@ahuman4084]

You said it “mad”

[@itzstarlettegacha4369]

Yeah, I mean imagine if you where that man alone.

[@flanbinflanflanbinflan677]

I don’t understand

[@chadhunter6250]

Who are you talking about?

[@pyeom7376]

You talk as if people aren't used to test medicines usually now. Just because we're not in the 18 hundreds and giving cocaine to kids anymore or using hard chemicals to disinfect wounds and tools it doesn't mean a certain level of human sacrifice isn't needed for the development of medicine these days

[@zoe-yv5lv]

but if the trolley is already heading towards the 5 and you do nothing, nothing is REALLY on you, but you still have to live with the fact that you let 5 people die. however, if you do change the direction of the tracks, you ARE causing someone to die. you see what i mean? your actions will directly cause someone to die. i feel the question is more about are you willing to make an executive decision that will save and kill? or will you stand by and watch so you don’t have to make a decision at all

[@misterp768]

The rational choice would be to save 5 with the result of one dying. But doing nothing means 5 died and one lived. In the position of controlling where the train goes, you still make a choice if you do nothing. Either way you will feel bad about it, you just gotta justify it for yourself to be the right choice.

[@TheRPGminer]

Inaction is still a crime. So if we are looking at it from a law perspective what would be better? Inaction caused 5 casualties or an action that caused just 1?

[@jaz1nce960]

@@TheRPGminer WOW. Looking at it on legal perspective, this puzzle leveled up a hundred times!

[@thewisebanana29]

@@jaz1nce960 ikr.

[@Daylen151]

@@misterp768 i had it explained to me with hiroshima and nagasaki as an example. Nobody stopped the order from reaching the pilot and nobody felt sorry for that. Nobody cared as they weren't the one dropping the bombs. The pilots were the ones in constant regret for the rest of their lives. If you do nothing and let the 5 die you only let the order go through and didn't stop anything from happening. You don't drop the bomb. It's not your fault. But if you chose to pull the lever and kill the 1 you were consciously dropping the atomic bomb. You may have done what was asked of you (by your logical thinking in this scenario) yet you were the one pulling the lever and pressing that button. You will live in constant regret only soothed by the thought of you couldn't have done anything else. It's not the best example but then again i didn't have the best teacher. He wasn't even qualified for the job so uh.. yea

[@paranixan]

Here’s the best way to get out of this scenario and save everyone’s lives: *stop imagining.*

[@kawaiidere1023]

Unless he’s a giant he ain’t stopping that trolley

[@takedownmg5096]

"Obviously the dilemma is clear here how do we kill all six people so I would dangle a sharp blade out the window to kill the other guy while we smush our five main guys." Michael (The Good Place) Edit: Wow what started as a quote became really popular thanks for all the likes and comments

[@shootme9111]

Shit just went from 0 too 100 real fucking quick

[@retr0productions]

God I love that show

[@asfredstone2503]

Just go ahead and pull the 1 guy to the other 5 and get a godlike killstreak

[@mebutnotreally1225]

Trueee

[@mebutnotreally1225]

@@shootme9111 Forking*

[@v06261]

This reminds me of that one part in I am Mother where she’s like “You are a doctor, you have 5 sick patients, imagine one day another sick patient comes in that has a cure-able illness but is an organ match for the 5 other patients, you could save the life of the five other patients by simply delaying treatment on the other patient. Or curing the sick patient and let the original 5 die.” Or something like that

[@anotherrandominternetguy404]

Yeah, I liked that scene

[@midoriyaizuku4767]

Its not by delyaing, its by taking the person's organs out while they sleep

[@Merp_a_Derp]

@@midoriyaizuku4767 It can be literally any way of getting the organs because this is purely hypothetical and actually doing any of it would get you arrested or fired for medical malpractice and either murder or manslaughter

[@nalnalvic9912]

@@Merp_a_Derp well it would depend on what type of person you are if your the type to save people you would save the others if your not and you just want to keep you job you wouldn't

[@connorhanson2101]

@@nalnalvic9912 yeah but if you steal someone’s organs whether it’s to save others or not, you’re still going to jail...

[@Mr_Cam]

I don't think a trolley isn't gonna kill anybody unless a trolley in America is not known as a 'shopping kart'

[@ballspector]

When you fail to push the fat man and he knows for the rest of his life that you tried to kill him

[@user-dw9wd4kj8u]

Me who has watched the good place: “Trolley -” Ah yes the trolley problem a classic

[@madhatter7111]

Run over the five people and dangle a sharp object killing the sixth person - Michael

[@harvster9064]

@@madhatter7111 “How long will it take, humans are good! not evil.” -Eleanor

[@justme_143_]

I have a stomach ache 😵 -chidi

[@senkusupremacy3828]

I'll just take the words of Senku here: "I would find a fundamental rule that allows me to save everyone."

[@aeonvalley8589]

Kill*

[@ballsacsincorp]

And that is multi-track drifting Can kill or save, depending on if the people die of shock of their feet being amputated

[@Rendact]

Literally the main reason why I dropped that show, got ruined by shounen pacification.

[@senku9444]

I would push the fat man, I’m to tired of doing math

[@pride7052]

Not in my wildest dreams I'd see a Dr. Stone comment here... 😭 Respect

[@Sacrifice_is_necessary]

“Will you push the fat man” yes i can push myself

[@BlackBlurDarkness]

Never let them know your next move **Pulls out pliers and cuts all them out**

[@junatah5903]

Me: wondering what the big fuss is about a shopping trolley going towards 5 people.

[@cashagon]

Think train 😅🤣

[@paulrudd1483]

Yeah I think each individual segment of a train is called a trolley, so I think In this scenario the back section of the train has disconnected and is rolling down a hill

[@someguycalledsteven7141]

If the trolley would have been stopped buy one very fat person then, let’s ignore the fact that you’d most likely be unable to physically push someone large enough to stop a trolly off a bridge in time, the first 2 bodies should be enough mass to stop the trolley since apparently it’s moving slow enough anyway where a fat man would have stopped it. Still a get come out on top if you do nothing.

[@darrenflips7346]

Yes i agree. Putting the problem this way doesn’t make sense. I saw one version where you are a doctor and you have five patients that are going to die and one patient that will not. Would you sacrifice the patient that is fine in order to save the other 5 patients with the one patients organs. I am really bad at explaining things so if it doesnt make sense search doctor trolley problem on yt or something like that

[@xaira1186]

Common Sense is a superpower these days🤫 but I'll keep your secret Steve

[@aspider3254]

Its a hypothetical

[@judeyboy14]

It’s hypothetical..... the point is not wether the situation would physically work, but the moral dilemma.

[@CAT-xd6vt]

I doubt the man would be able to be on the bridge anyways

[@iDontProgramInCpp]

In the original problem, I would probably just spam the lever so the train goes off track. It would injure the people inside, but the death chances would be unlikely

[@ryuisvillemaster8076]

"Sacrifice one life to save many" - politician maybe

[@tylervecher5057]

In most pictures of the “Trolley Problem” the track loops back on both sides, meaning either way all 6 will die.

[@gamingoose5033]

That’s the most evil thing I can imagine

[@HumptyTheRottenEgg]

Make it 7

[@oanimakiuannkai]

make it 8

[@RXDA_OV]

Make it 9

[@assassin2550]

make it 10

[@RYCKroll]

“I know longer wish to deal with this.” *jumps in front of trolley*

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎E‎

[@insxrtnxme64_22]

@@EEEEEEEE E

[@aliawada120]

@@EEEEEEEE .

[@TraineePilotJess]

I spent 92849 years looking for your channel again and I searched up ‘trolley problem’ and found you, yay.

[@adammapper174]

Me: *pull the lever to the left while train passes the junction*

[@asidecharacter4300]

There is of course the third option for both situations in which you join the people about to die.

[@PatrickGreen44]

Tbh 💀 (also I notice the John pfp from Unordinary and realize that you are a person of culture 😌)

[@27vampire]

i like this variation

[@01man01truck]

"if you're like most people, you'll probably switch" Nah, most people would probably just pull their phones out and record without ever noticing there even was a lever.

[@01man01truck]

@FLOWEY FAN CLUB Wow, you're so cool and badass, bro.

[@beastlyfingersgavin]

@LANCER FAN CLUB grow up

[@beastlyfingersgavin]

@LANCER FAN CLUB :/

[@_zaymoon]

why are their names after evil deltarune/undertsle characters

[@avery4698]

r/im14andthisisdeep

[@megawave79]

The thing is in the first variation all 6 people are already involved but in the second you involve another person risking their life

[@shyguypresentsonline3757]

**insert fast music** "t- that's not an option!"

[@grimreaperhalo]

"Imagine a runaway trolley running towards five people who are tied up." My British self's first thoughts: "Who puts trolleys on rails?" Edit: ok how the heck does this keep getting likes? thanks anyway tho

[@FranciumBoron]

Yeah, that's a tad weird, innit? That would be a tram or a train.

[@heather4860]

Haha yess me too i was a bit confused before I realised

[@user-ti1pt4nz9o]

lmaoooo

[@genesisanimations8877]

BRITISH

[@averswagperson_4524]

Same tho

[@OmerAW]

Imagine saving the 5 people and than realizing that they where all murderers on the run and that the "fat" man you killed was a doctor or fireman or a person who helped others Edit: I just meant this comment as a plot twist scenario. So you can stop arguing in the replies about weather it's morally correct or not to kill the 5 murderers on the train track.

[@fatherlysoap1304]

Talk about a plot twist

[@user-cj4fu8qq9b]

plot twist again: the fat guy was also a murderer

[@BS-bd4xo]

Still fucking immoral to kill criminals like that, so not a realistic scenario.

[@OmerAW]

@@BS-bd4xo I didn't say that it made it morally correct, I just meant that "you" would probably have a lot of guilt if that was the case

[@doggrz6244]

@@BS-bd4xo murder is a death sentance in some countries

[@robertgervis9611]

*goes on the invisible tracks* "Th- THAT'S NOT AN OPTIO-"

[@kirtdzu]

Whenever i hear this song i always hear "there is no such thing as a coincidence"

[@sunniboi7105]

Just untie the single guy, then switch the lever. *Think outside the box people*

[@altaccount1213]

You'd have to be The Flash or Plasti-Man to do that

[@memeifyinc1119]

I mean

[@memeifyinc1119]

Trolly has to be pretty far if you can react Either that or slow Move the one guy then switch lol

[@BadUsernameKing]

thats assuming you have the time to, or even if you can untie them

[@testingecko9157]

Instead of that, pull the switch when the trolley is on it, meaning is would break the wheals and either stop it or send it forward and go in the middle of the five and one, saving all 6.

[@ninjamantis8309]

Pull the lever half way and then stand in front of the train, train derails and everyone dies... oh yeah i forgot to mention i'm the guy that keeps tying people to the tracks

[@unision_crashtwitch5684]

Take the one dude off of the other track and put him with the others to get a 6 kill streak

[@monkeygaming2009]

@@unision_crashtwitch5684 we do a lil gaming and a lil trolling

[@Josephine_de_Beauharnais1763]

You sound like Michael from "The Good Place", except he put this spear/weapon out the window to kill the other guy.

[@albertojmek]

the best way to save all the people is to let them learn how to save themselves (or die) -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@DesertRailProductions]

Pull the lever while the train is switching tracks, I would either get no one or all of them.

[@apieceoftoast1752]

Lol i did that in Philosophy class the other day its called being a utilitarian if you sacrifice one to save 5 for the greater good for the greatest number of people

[@nonchalantdewiness]

Finally someone who noticed lmao

[@xynoixo]

“All you have to do I push the fat man-“ Me: *Already on the tracks ready to get ran over*

[@HMIOUIS]

suicidal 😗

[@DesertJacks]

And that is the correct answer. You have just advanced. Congratulations

[@cyceryx]

@@DesertJacks into heaven

[@dc3608]

@@cyceryx Unless they were too much of a glutton, big enough to stop the train 😂. A nice thought nonetheless

[@Thunderbolt_1000T]

when the trolley is halfway across just pull the lever and uh…. yea

[@lalande3322]

"The need of the many outweigh the need of the few."

[@natosh5967]

"The real question is How do you kill all of them? So I came up with this design where you stick a large weapon out the window to kill the singular person while you go down the 5 people track." -- The Good Place

[@darksharkk]

Great show!

[@immejor508]

YES THE GOOD PLACE FINALLY A REAL PERSON

[@immejor508]

I recommend break the steering wheel off and throw the sharp end of it at the other guys head

[@mirrozero]

Flip the lever, wait for the first few sets of wheels to pass, then flip the lever again.

[@phlegmconnoisseur2241]

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

[@sfoxes5215]

Stalin

[@gijsburgering3248]

Stalinus

[@everyonesfavorite7560]

That is a bone chilling quote

[@robastergaming6074]

I am responsible for a statistic

[@ant1lex]

Well stalin has a good reputation of making statistics.

[@KaIIenie]

Me: "I don't get paid enough for this" *abandons the lever*

[@britishtimo9621]

the logic is so sound to trade one person for 5 no matter the idea behind it or it method used, I don't know who would ever allow the 5 people to die and I think they are the truly insane person in this situation