The Truck Market Finally COLLAPSED. And Buyers are DONE Overpaying!

[@milktop1]

Just bought a 2007 Highlander with 151k. Paid $4500 ill never buy new again

[@Zanderthelab]

That’s a waste

[@GF-mf7ml]

Better for environment no need to make new one.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@GF-mf7ml 🤣

[@Toyeboy89]

I'm not buying new either but not anything that old in the rust belt.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@Toyeboy89 I live in the rust belt and I wouldn’t buy anything used here. Transmissions are junk and rust is there after a few years.

[@charlesharnois3684]

Lots of truth in this report,Dealers in my area, and I mean all brands, are loaded with inventory! People are not paying these ridiculous prices! Thanks for your report.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

My pleasure, I really enjoy making this video once a month haha. That’s good to know, thank you for sharing what your local dealers are like.

[@dalesandberg6474]

They did it to themselves plus the reliability is gone!

[@Toyeboy89]

These prices are laughable like pure insanity and they look like a joke. If you pay $99k for transportation you better be a millionaire to buy that one.

[@Derek8487]

Multimillionaire... If you're only worth 1 mil 100k on a car/truck is insane.

[@Toyeboy89]

@@Derek8487 I agree, it would still be a poor purchase decision considering it’ll be worth $45k in a few years.

[@johnshaddick6858]

Even if I was a multi millionaire, I still wouldn't buy any these cars or trucks, just on principle.

[@eugenefirebird8938]

They think they have pricing power. They don't. We have it.

[@chuckchambers9565]

Can I get an AMEN !

[@Anomize23]

Well it’s evident that the power of stupidity of people paying these are at an all time high so there’s no confidence lately of this being resolved. 🙈

[@OLDGUY7301]

When it goes to59% off ill start looking.

[@crand20033]

If for any reason I lose my car I know I'm fucked.

[@loum.4377]

I'm shocked that GMC wasted all the money on an electric 9000lb electric truck. WTF, who will pay for it?

[@drscopeify]

Well the Tesla Cybertruck is 7000 pounds, costs more but is a smaller vehicles with a smaller battery. At the end of the day its an EV so you get to charge it for less $$ so does the weight matter? Dunno.

[@khaterine-v5q]

The taxpayer during the next "bailout"

[@dave3657]

What people forget is that the MSRP already has a decent profit in the vehicle. Then the dealer also could get a rebate from the manufacturer on top of that. Even accounting for inflation the prices are way too high. Finding an honest dealer can be pretty hard in some areas.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Absolutely, I always recommend googling what invoice is on a vehicle before starting to negotiate so that you have a better idea of what the dealer bought it for.

[@dadTan-v7w]

yeh i had to buy a 2024 in september to get a deal and buy there unwanted blue color silverado

[@Russ15076]

A SENTRA FOR 30K ?????? What are these car makers smoking ?

[@tigersilberhannes9153]

Nothing, your dollars suffered high inflation.

[@Animaltvforyou]

😂😂😂

[@joestrait6291]

Theses trucks shouldn't be over 35 new and thats pushing it!

[@garyjarvis2730]

Yes we gave you a big discount but added a ton of fees and useless crap. This is why people hate buying a new car. Most dealers don't respect their customers and think they are all stupid.

[@mikeleduc683]

they need to realy slash prices. start by half would be a good place to start. or more than half..

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That would be nice!!

[@fredperry3574]

New toyotas are crap

[@fartdonkey8290]

New cars are crap

[@yournightmare9999]

Thats true especially Korean American and German junks

[@Coheed420]

Only ones I’d recommend are the ones with the hybrid system. Has negative maintenance and less stuff that can go wrong. No AC compressors, no belts, no starters. Just change the oil and you’ll be fine.

[@timothymcneely7869]

As a Yota fan and multiple Yota owner. They are shite. Nothing after 2017. They are admitting to all kinds of crap from 2018 on.

[@yournightmare9999]

@timothymcneely7869 that's true today you pay for batch only no more reliability. Cheap parts etc

[@pennylessplantation]

Not sure why Toyota did what they did but being my ‘10 taco frame was rusting out, I went with the N/A V6 Frontier pro 4x this year. The EPA needs to be dismantled. Toyota is losing the rep fast and their prices aren’t justified.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Yeah, it’s a shame reliability is where it is right now with their new stuff. How do you like your Pro 4x? Those are sweet and I’ve seen them as low as 40k.

[@dvader3263]

Yes, the EPA was created by a Republican President and his Republican administration in the 1970's.

[@pennylessplantation]

@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 very satisfied, has impressed me more than I expected and the old school non turbo is what works for me.

[@jeffreyfurtado3681]

Toyota can still build a V6 and V8. However, they would not get the carbon tax credits. 2. Eventually, they will have to upgrade so that is what they are doing now.

[@pennylessplantation]

@@jeffreyfurtado3681 I definitely see what is coming for sure, kind of why I mentioned the EPA. Cafe standards suck out loud!

[@Veterans-e2c]

I picked a gmc 2024 Denali 1500 with duramax diesel and saved 18k off plus 2k in incentives and 3.99% APR so there are good dealerships out there.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That sounds like a steal! I’m glad it worked out and you found a good dealership!!

[@Veterans-e2c]

And I did trade in a tesla model S as well and 0 down. Never buying Tesla again they were very fair on my trade as well to be transparent

[@dustincollins16]

Good luck with that motor when it's clogged up with carbon at 60k miles. Better do an egr delete

[@Veterans-e2c]

@@dustincollins16 Man if you don’t got nothing nice to say don’t say anything. Misery loves company an extended warranty was included you tool.

[@jscott4431]

If you are wealthy, then I guess buy whatever you want. But for the rest of America, if you want to take out a mortgage just to buy an overpriced truck, which is now a luxury vehicle, then it's your call. Sadly, prices will only come down if people stop buying. I guess that will never happen. So, there's no going back at this point. Prices will probably stay high forever. That's the reality.

[@kodybecker89]

Glad i bought my F-150 new in 2019 my fully loaded XLT was $46,000 out the door and every 6 months i still get dealerships reaching out to buy my truck for dam near what i paid for it even with 100k miles crazy 😂 because of this i will just meticulously maintain and take great care of my truck and keep it because with the market, inflation , loan interest rates, trucks will probably never be at that level of affordability again and in 2019 i thought almost 50k for a truck was expensive

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

50k definitely was a lot for a truck 5 years ago, and now it feels like a steal lol. I’m glad it’s gone well for you! Which engine did you go with?

[@kodybecker89]

@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 i have a 4x4 2.7 Eco Boost and it has been flawless but i also do oil changes every 5k people really underestimate how reliable turbo engines can be longterm as long as you are on top of maintenance they will last the . dam thing feels like a rocket ship when you step on it and its a highway commuter right now and i get 22mpg average going 75mph. With a toneau cover . And fall 2025 i am planning on getting a 2025 Outback wilderness because i think as we get closer to the 2026 outback’s coming to the showroom the will hopefully offer even better deals on 2025s

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Thanks for sharing this! Those 2.7s are potent, that’s for sure. Incase you’re new to my channel I have a 22 OBW, they’re awesome! Best of luck.

[@kodybecker89]

@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 lol pretty sure i have seen all of your Subaru videos at least 5x each 😅 . You’re my favorite Subaru guy on KZbin .

[@FrameRot]

You overpaid in 2019. I got my truck for $35k out the door.

[@bobbylee9727]

What genius car executive has not heard of the word "inflation"...where's the consumer need? What is supply and demand?

[@Ody-up6kg]

I would love to buy a new truck! But with quality taking a nosedive and absurd prices, I'll pass.

[@It_Puts_The_Lotion_On_Its_Skin]

Friendly reminder: I got my brand new 2014 Toyota 4Runner in 2015 for $30,000, instead of MSRP because they wanted to get the old models off the lot ASAP. This thing is going to get me through the zombie apocalypse lol.

[@reallyemptypockets6509]

Last week a dealer was charging 799 d&h, and another 499 for glass etching security 😂😂, the 90’s called and want their 1990’s junk fees back 😮

[@jamesgullo8240]

When has a car theft ever been solved by glass etching? Biggest waste of money ever.

[@LifeIndex360]

MSRP should be your highest out the door price. Realistically, in todays market, no reason you can't get a new car out the door under msrp.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Absolutely! I also recommend Googling the invoice prices for the vehicles someone is considering.

[@athletikonaol]

I think this pricing craze on trucks is driven by EPA regs (and of course, greed).

[@poltergeist3194]

I was looking for a used Tacoma back last spring. Pricing was outrageous. Dealer was asking $35k for a 2018 with 80k miles. Bought a used ‘22 Nissan Frontier 4x4 S model for $27 with only 19k miles.

[@In-obscurity-n7j]

I was sure I didn't hear you right. I backed up and listened again. I heard you right. $12 k for a 20 year old truck. Not get political, but something needs to change.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Yeah, you heard me right, lol. Insane for a 20 year old 2wd truck. 😅

[@denniscarver7681]

I drive older trucks and they raised my personal property tax because of claim its worth more now.@@AutomotiveAnonymous208

[@LiBingBong]

Trump for Prison 2024 !!!

[@justacinnamonbun8658]

At this point we should be allowed to manufacture our own cars. Even if it's an "out of the box" assembly where you just piece it together yourself on a Sunday in your garage, because apparently none of the major auto manufacturers seem to understand or care *THE PRICE IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!*

[@Hschlick84]

A lot of these trucks, if you're not going to use them for their intended purpose are a waste of money.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Absolutely!

[@opinionmatters7119]

Actually sad to see how Toyota became so low quality. Greed is a terrible thing

[@Anomize23]

I couldn’t believe it seeing that New Land Cruiser materials on it. The underside and then the super thin plastic. Instantly told myself to hold on to my 4runner because they were like hawks wanting me to trade it in. Also even being smaller while trying to convince me it was bigger.😂 NO THANKS

[@johnshaddick6858]

These all of these manufacturers still can't understand why people are not buying. Even if the base price was dropped by half, theses cars and trucks are still too high in price. Also, all of these dealerships should go belly up, since they have tried to flip off the buyer for years. Anything from hig doc fees to insane prices on sell ups.

[@MerwinWren]

The way to get more affordable snd reliable vehicles is to get government out of the auto industry. Mandatory seat belts and airbags? Sure. Get rid of all the other expensive junk like rear view cameras, side sensors, and other equipment that should be OPTIONAL. If people want that stuff they will buy it. If not, they won’t. If the Willys Jeep was back on the market I’m sure it would sell like beer at a ball game. Inexpensive and reliable.

[@eljefe4473]

The prices are bad enough but what I really dont want to pay is insurance and tags

[@HEELMACHINE]

You can tell truck buying is not encouraged. They flat out don’t want people to have them.

[@TamNguyen-hn3jp]

I wish the Toyota factory is going to pay commission for the dealer not the customer and the customer only pay for the tax and licensing.

[@3xfelix]

The dealers should keep these cars as they will be $$$ - 100 years from now as valuable antiques

[@gibfkn]

Can you make a video on the current general market for the 5th gen 4runners, for both new and used?

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That’s a great idea, I’ll keep that in mind if the right opportunity arises. Otherwise I would speculate maybe searching various dealer websites to see what their new and used inventory looks like. As well as non Toyota dealers to see if people are trading them for other brands. Thanks for watching and for sharing this video idea!

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

@@gibfkn as a recent data point I just sold my 2022 for what I paid for it new

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That’s awesome!!

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

​@@AutomotiveAnonymous208I'd appreciate the same on the Outback. When reaching out to dealers online I am being offered big discounts off the bat (over $6k off a higher trim) but no one on KZbin seems to be covering this.

[@jefferywilson1840]

The dealers figure they’d they hold out long enough desperate buyers will buy.people lust for new cars that’s human nature

[@UAkovalchuk]

I just bought a brand new f150 xlt ! The msrp was 56000 and i payed 46000$$$

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Nice!!

[@drewski1441]

30 Grand for a Sentra!! 😧 Hell No... This is why they are in trouble

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Yeah, that’s a lot for a FWD Nissan car, lol, but I’m glad that formula still exists.

[@egggacha4821]

Not a dime off for a Tundra in Canada

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That’s really surprising, their market is not good here in the U.S. I personally really like a lot of the new gens design, just not the reliability and build quality.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 all Toyota reliability went down the drain awhile ago.

[@Slammingutz]

Good, people should NOT buy the New Tundra Or Tacoma.

[@squidishtendencies1523]

What are they doing? They are EFFIN around. We all know what happens next...

[@kmanbay6580]

They are about to find out

[@tomaszosemlak1299]

Love ur insights, keep at it!!

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Thanks!! I usually film this type of video once a month. Same title and cover photo usually but with whatever price discount I can find, just for fun lol.

[@Toucan8917Z]

Dealers are out of their damn minds

[@gatolibero8329]

I've owned 5 cars, and none of them were new. The newest car I've ever owned was only 5 years old from the time I purchased.

[@bradley7506]

Just buy a 2 year old truck, not a new one. Help teach these dealers a lesson…

[@Anomize23]

doesn’t help that they price used ones 35k plus.

[@bt-xv1fy]

I knew the back ground buildings looked way to familiar. That's because I have been in twin falls ID many times. just saw a Toyota corolla truck so they want to compete with the ford maverick.

[@kkdkqwljfdlkkl]

6:00 in $210.00 for interior door scruff protection. $410 floor mat package, lmao

[@curtgomes]

It seems like just yesterday that the pickup truck fan boys were posting videos of their cool $100,0000+ trucks. My, my how times have changed!

[@justing6594]

How are people affording these?

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That’s a good question!

[@bucdan9242]

10 year loans at 10% interest rate, 0 down, then repoed.

[@justaviewer111]

I'm not a Nissan fan. I call them the "Dodge of the Asian Car World." However, with Toyota falling on their face with the now ruined Tacoma, the Frontier is a great option. What you definitely DON'T want to buy is any Nissan with a CVT. They're proven to by very problematic.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Calling them the Dodge of the Nissan world is very fitting haha. Some products are a hit and most these days are a miss.

[@rayjohnson863]

I know the cvt gets a bad rep but I know someone who has a cvt in their 2018 Altima and it has 181,000 miles and my 2017 Nissan Sentra has 133,103 miles as of today. I just think they can last if you do the required maintenance.

[@DanielProfessional-wk3lp]

I wish they mentioned where they are!!! You are representing only your market not everywhere. This video is for State or Idaho. I live in SoCal is this is not the case most of times

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

I tried to be somewhat vague as I’m not necessarily knocking these dealers but just bad dealership practices and the car market and manufacturers in general. It’s also different month to month and in various towns. I was in So Cal and Vegas last year and there market was way different than around here. But also traveling to other towns within a few hours and it also varied a lot. Basically, there are decent deals out there but people are going to have to look for them and probably travel a ways.

[@danstreazy8026]

Imagine spending more than a years worth of net wages to purchase a vehicle to get you to the place were you earn your wages, that's called a trap.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Absolutely!

[@badkid73]

Nobody wants to touch a 2022-2023 Toyota Tundra.

[@stuartclubb4302]

They know that enough suckers have been willing to pay thus far. It's going to be a few years before they blink. And if you don't pay at the dealership, you'll pay through your taxes to bail them out again anyway.

[@crand20033]

It's like a college education too expensive to buy a car nowadays.

[@antoniocognato5023]

which toyota dealer is this? any 24 new 4runners available?

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

This dealer didn’t seem to have many 4Runners. And in the past most of their new ones have been listed as “used” with 3 miles on them and a “used” car window sticker that would show it roughly 3-5k more than the actual MSRP would have been. 🤦‍♂️ 🤢

[@antoniocognato5023]

@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 thats sooo scum baggish

[@tyleraguilar2474]

I want a tremor with the coyote but these prices are about 10k too much

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Those are cool trucks! But I agree at maybe 50-55k not 60-70k+ 😬

[@jamesb.armstrong5433]

We'll keep our 2022 Tacoma, and our 2024 Rav4 until the wheels fall off of them or us......

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

You guys have two of the best vehicles recently sold, I’m sure you’ll be able to drive them for as long as you want to!

[@kmanbay6580]

Trucks are the highest markup and money makers for the manufacturers and dealers. So eff them and their ways.

[@LiBingBong]

50% off is fair value

[@stevew1851]

I am in the market for a New Truck. But NONE of this Over Priced GARBAGE...All CEO's need to be replaced with Trades People with some Common Sense.

[@lot2196]

They aren't dealing at all.

[@NQBN]

I see a many of these expensive trucks on the roads, I think there are enough people buying trucks for a 100k$.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

I can’t believe pay that much for a non special edition truck. 😬

[@stevew1851]

No One who's done 10 minutes of research would Never Buy a CVT vehicle. Wake Up you clueless manufacturers..

[@edwardwd3zk]

They will start selling once they are buy 1 get 2 free, no limit per household .

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Hahaha yes!

[@davidcross997]

I won't pay over 25K for any new vehicle...there just not worth it. I'll ride a bicycle first..it's the principle of the thing. Why in the world have they been making these giant titanic pu,s that cost 90+ thousands of $ when most people wants what we had in the 70,s-2000. Like the 95 tocomas 4x4 was a cool smaller truck that ran trouble free for 250K miles. The new trucks are in the shop more than on the road...junk

[@Ironstarfish]

There all charging way too much

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Yeah, absolutely! I film stuff like this once a month and I still can’t believe how expensive body on frame vehicles have become lol.

[@KW-gs2gp]

The recession will bring sanity back to car prices.

[@guzmancharles7]

Unfortunately the one that are buying these ridiculous overpriced vehicles are the wealthy people that want the latest and greatest and don’t care paying those prices.

[@garryderish2465]

Stay away from TURBO ENGINES, you'll be sorry !!!

[@crand20033]

Tell us why.

[@P0rtalgate]

I am coming up 300000km on my i4 1.8l turbo Volkswagen, there is such a fear for turbos but if properly maintained you are fine never had a single issue with it.

[@chrism-bu2yd]

Any 4Runner would sell immediately at $8k off. Immediately

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

I found a few in 12/23 during my first video like this that were up to $7k off. It seems like most of the 2024s have already sold.

[@jasonsmith1143]

want vs NEED

[@chuckchambers9565]

Who in the hell is buying these cars ??

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

That’s a great question haha.

[@brahsumatra]

The 2004 Tacoma is the best deal.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Yeah, at that point you’re only overpaying by a few thousand rather than tens of thousands lol.

[@steveg6978]

Its a complete joke, I was looking at a (new 2023 ) frontier sv.....they are asking invoice., with 2025's sitting on the next row only a few K more.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Woah a 2023 that still hasn’t sold and at MSRP?? That’s silly.

[@mikepacleb]

90k for a truck not 1/2 bad of a deal !? Must be out your mind… 5:31

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Hahaha, if that was in reference to the Bronco Raptor right after the F-150 then compared to a basic F-150 I do think the Raptor is much more cool and while not worth nearly 90k it’s a better value than the 85k F-150 since it’s a specialty vehicle.

[@jw715]

Don’t buy don’t buy don’t buy

[@mpiny]

90000 off and still not selling 😂🎉

[@Eatshhhushi]

These trucks are overpriced! Stop paying for trucks people can’t afford and when gas prices hit $4+ it gets even more painful at the pump.

[@josephbarretto5870]

Total joke, and they deserve it. I love Toyota, but they are building the Tacoma in Mexico, and it has been completely redesigned with a new motor line. So even thou Toyota has done thing this since 2001. They did it to put more profits and compete with the other manufacturers that are out sourcing aswell so lets make Tacoma's 8k cheaper but charge 12k more. To top it all off, the prices are absolutely insane. That goes to all car makers. Mass inventory should make the prices cheaper but nowhere affordable enough for the average hard-working individuals. I say to all car makers, you all deserve the mess you have made. Poor business planning greed and yes inflation has caused it all but greed is greed

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

Why do you keep posting essentially the same "the market has collapsed!" videos? You produce great content but these just feel like repetitive click bait videos at this point. Don't stoop to this.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Surprisingly about 20% of the people who have subscribed and watch my videos have been from this type of video. So I partially feel obligated to keep making them, in addition to being very curious to what I look at in this video. At one point earlier this year I did a few in a month (which was to many, but I was also traveling further away), but the last few months I’ve made sure do only film this once a month. I may take a few months off or change the cover photo and title. At this point it’s kind of just a joke/silly video for me to see what’s going on and what vehicles aren’t selling. 😅🤷‍♂️ But I do hear your concerns and appreciate you sharing!!

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

​@@AutomotiveAnonymous208obviously I am just sharing one random guy's opinion. I only spoke up because I generally find your channel very earnest and low hype. Maybe it's the fact that you feature 4Runners in the thumbnails and clearly no dealer is slashing the price on 4runners nor struggling to sell them. That's what makes it feel like clickbait as you keep repeating this tactic. That being said, I really enjoy your reviews and have found your content on your Outback has been very helpful and has me strongly considering one.

[@AutomotiveAnonymous208]

Your opinion matters, and I do really appreciate it! I film what I enjoy but also am persuaded to film what I know you guys want to watch based off of these comments. I totally get that. The first few videos like this did feature 4Runners, until I couldn’t find them lol. And the very first video with its thumbnail of $7k off was actually for that specific vehicle, a 2023 Limited back in 12/23. Again thank you!!

[@costcontrolaccounting4613]

Sure, buy a "new" 2023 truck, get a $7,500 discount on it, drive off the lot and lose $20,000 of depreciation value in three seconds. DON'T BE THAT STUPID GUY!!

[@kevinmyrick6736]

These prices are just ridiculous. I’ve been looking around for a car but I’ll never buy a new car again only going with a used car. I bought a Dodge Avenger in 2012 now it has 186,800 miles and I’ve never spent a dime on it except for normal maintenance. These dealers can keep this over priced garbage.

[@mitchlee3483]

9k, over prices by 25k

[@littlestinker9716]

New Tacoma needs to be $10K below MSRP to make financial sense. Until then, no way.

[@littlestinker9716]

Nissan can easily be the new Toyota if they wise up and ditch the junk CVTs.

[@cutliss]

No