The Truman Show Delusion Killer

[@patavinity1262]

He could have gone and lived in his bunker without murdering his family. I will never understand why people do that.

[@cowoverthemoo]

Split from reality. Thinks they're better off gone..might think they couldn't survive with him nevermind without him. So he would justify it.

[@cyberpunkcentral8500]

Exactly, the murdering wasn’t necessary. All these family annihilators who supposedly “off” their children and wives b/c they’re soooooooo concerned about how they’d “ever survive without me…don’t you see? I killed them b/c I CARED” 😒 They are all harboring GIGANTIC resentment and hatred toward their loved ones, believe me. It ain’t about “sparing” them anything, it’s about PUNISHING them and enacting revenge on whatever imaginary role the perpetrator feels they played in his myriad failures. These guys are always selfish, covertly bloodthirsty freaks; don’t believe their babbling nonsense about killing people to “save them from a life of drudgery they could never navigate successfully alone.” That’s b.s. they vomit out to try to make themselves look less evil and hateful. They well know they can just “off” only themselves and take no one with them; this guy knew if a life off the grid, away from society with fewer “obligations” was what he wanted, he could’ve had that by hurting no one else and just running off to his mud shack alone, he didn’t want that; that wasn’t good enough: he WANTED them to suffer, he WANTED them to hurt. These men are always bigger sadists and more selfish pricks than they admit to being.

[@kathrineici9811]

Because he’s a monster, simple as

[@AZ-kr6ff]

Because they would nag at him, tell him to come home.

[@JohnWilliamNowak]

I don't believe he killed his family to become a hermit. He could have abandoned his family to do that easily enough, and the police would have been less motivated to hunt him down, as you said. He wanted to kill his family and becoming a hermit was his escape plan. So, ironically, I think many of the points raised in this excellent video are unfortunately moot.

[@georgegrote7836]

I built an off-grid cabin "to be alone" and ended up eating dinner with the neighbors 2-3 times a week.

[@Aster_Risk]

I think many people have this happen. They just need a bit more alone time and often think they have to go to the complete other end of the spectrum. Then they realize they do want some human contact and relationships. My mom is very asocial in terms of friendship and acquaintances. She has me and my two sisters plus our three husbands, our dad and her mom and that's all she needs.

[@pwallace5359]

I guess when it gets right down to it we all need people. 😊

[@HLB313]

@@georgegrote7836 he probably couldn’t cook

[@georgegrote7836]

@@HLB313 i can but so can my neighbor. We both have fine dining experience and garden..... or you mean the creep in the video?

[@crowmedicine3890]

I like this!

[@Dank455]

I find your level of analysis and commentary very hard to find elsewhere on KZbin. You got that special "something" which makes you perfect for this type of content. Always a joy when you upload. Keep it up! (And thanks)!

[@Violet.18]

It's called legitimate education.

[@spiralrose]

Violet, Agreed

[@bthomson]

Careful! That'll be calling him an "elite!"

[@Varun-ss6ch]

I feel the "speacial something" you speak of is his cadence. We are bombarded with a kind of KZbin/Podcast cadence that feels inauthentic. Dr Andrew speaks as if he is workshopping his analysis with no under current to gain subscribers or viewers. It feels authentic. Similar to the channel True Crime Loser whose hallmark is his authenticity & exceptional story telling ability

[@TheGsjoberg]

I agree, and done without bombast or melodrama.

[@thelemetric]

the juxtaposition of his deluded narcissism and her unabashed gratefulness is utterly heart breaking.

[@fluffedsquirrel]

She night have been a massive co-dependent, purposefully ignoring the things that we're going wrong.

[@EMurph42]

Beautifully said, poetry.

[@jezackr3500]

@fluffedsquirrel what does that have to do with anything?

[@EMurph42]

@@jezackr3500 I think @FluffedSquirrel might have been wondering why such a sweet lady full of gratitude was with him? Explaining the dichotomy. So it’s still on topic, if not exactly still related. No need to be persnickety about it.

[@pewsterbaby]

Keep in mind that's only the way she acts on camera to her group of ditzes who do that arts & crafts stuff. It's more about how she wants them to perceive her marriage than it is about the reality inside that house.

[@borisstanislav4560]

Friend of Peter Keller: So you're going to hide out in Siberia or Alaska after your crazy scheme right? Peter Keller: No, my 'bunker' is 2 miles from my house in the woods, where many hikers have seen me before.

[@cyberpunkcentral8500]

THIS 👆😅

[@scarletsletter4466]

Exactly. This patient is your textbook family annihilator. He planned a mrdr - sewer side bc he’s dissatisfied with his life. He thinks he’s too good for his family, job & life he has now so he’s going to end it all. He never thought he was going to live alone in the woods

[@mackdeen7021]

“Where I’ve spent while 9 hours in a row in there…before getting bored and cold and going back home.” This guy would have survived very long in his “bunker”.

[@dcstiger]

Peter said it himself. He wanted to revisit a fantasy from his adolescence. He wanted to build a secret hideout in the woods. I don't think he ever considered the reality of actually living that way. He fulfilled the fantasy by playacting as a man preparing to become a survivalist. I believe that Peter convinced himself that when he finished the construction and stockpiling phase of the project his existence needed to end. He never had any real intention of reinventing himself.

[@cyberpunkcentral8500]

@dcstiger Great observation! Thanks for this 💯

[@beeperlove]

I felt the worst in my life when all I thought about was myself. When I was able to stop doing that my entire life changed.

[@ARareAndDifferentTune_13]

100 percent agree

[@Cedawood]

That's what it all turned out to be for me...pity it took me until my 50's to grasp it

[@picollodiaries]

‘ego- maniac with an inferiority complex’.

[@darkduck3677]

Exactly. Most people with anxiety are just narcissistic.

[@Cedawood]

@@darkduck3677 Well, in your opinion. There a big difference in anxiety & manipulative behaviour. Also, a lot of armchair psychologists too often use the word 'narcissism' as a cover all terminology for behaviour that hasn't even showed the well documented cases. Young people, any people, should not be tarred with this brush....especially fron, seemingly, cynical mindsets

[@bipolarbeinganddoing8070]

I have schizoaffective disorder and went into a months-long Truman Show delusion last year, I ended up in prison for committing armed robbery with a toy gun because I believed I was playing for the cameras. Super super scary shit for everyone involved, I'm just so grateful the psychiatric report went into depth about this delusion, I served just six months, could have been a whole lot longer.

[@HLB313]

Can I ask something I’m wondering while watching this? Were you aware of/had you seen the Truman show specifically and was what you were believing was happening similar? I’m wondering at what point this delusion became a consistent thing people experience? It must be so odd to be a movie script writer of movies that things like this come about following. I think there’s a lot of people with delusions relating to The Matrix too…please only share if you feel comfortable, just intrigued!

[@lisaadams6753]

Thank you for being open. I find these things interesting and I find myself in a lot of what he’s saying as well. I’m not that dramatic. I’m kind of lazy and I have depression under control, but I do dream of building a house in the woods and I do sometimes pretend that I’m in a movie when I’m just in my living room.

[@HumanimalChannel]

This type of paranoid delusion must be so commoneith schizophrenia/schizoaffective. Ive had this too

[@knoname7778]

@@bipolarbeinganddoing8070 that’s interesting. Now that you’re on the other side of it per se, what did that feel like when you were in those delusions?

[@velvetunderbite]

thank you for sharing. always looking to expand my understanding

[@SouthPawPhilly]

While watching the Peter Keller videos it seems to me that he is leaving behind his own "lost/found media" for humanity because he seems to accept that he will die. These videos are his manifesto.

[@nopenever3]

That and I think he wanted to watch the videos while he was hiding.

[@jos0826]

I thought the same

[@FixedFace]

manifesto of/for what? this guy makes zero sense

[@susiew2521]

There are very few channels on here that really teach you things, in relation to crime and criminals, other than the facts of the events. This is a happy exception. Thank you for your efforts. 👍

[@vaunniethayer1484]

Apparently, Peter didn’t get what he felt he deserved in his life so he’s just going to blow everything up. A very immature and self centered person, a man who refuses to grow up, in my view.

[@jessehickman668]

I think that’s exactly him. This is the tantrum of a weak man.

[@MissKellyBean]

Bingo.

[@cadcad-jm3pf]

His whole "plan" looks like one prolonged psychosis. Nothing makes sense. He didn't need to kill his family to disappear. He didn't need to build a bunker. He could simply buy a ticket to Mexico and go live in some cabin deep in the countryside. Chances are, he would have never been found, because no one would really look that much as long as there isn't a murder to accompany the disappearance.

[@comradewolf4901]

I would actually like to know a hell of a lot more about him. His childhood, his home life, how he was with friends, etc. It would be fascinating to know how much of this was inherent, and if there were signs early, and how much might have been how he was raised.

[@zachbos5108]

@@fdgfg764 I would tell you more but I know they're watching me. I just hope they also have the decency to build that hideout, looks like a lot of work.

[@sheryldalton8965]

I hope when all was said & done & he made it back to his hideout that he didn't feel a sense of liberation but just a cold lonely feeling of regret & remorse.

[@brandihubacek8585]

Unlikely 😢

[@em84c]

More likely he was disappointed he didn't get much time living in his hideout

[@countryrat6t6]

I have a friend who's dad did something similar 20+ years ago. The family was a similar set up, husband & wife with a decent relationship and one child, a daughter who just graduated high school. He had been planning it for almost a decade. He just up and left one day that summer after she graduated high school. Went off to live alone in the woods. Took them over a year to figure out exactly where he went/why he disappeared/etc. Though he is a monumental a$$ for abandoning his family like that, he at least had the decency to like... leave them alive. He's still living out on his remote property as far as anyone knows.

[@spiralrose]

If he could do that, then he probably wasn’t much of a husband or a father outside of providing for them, if that.

[@knoname7778]

@@countryrat6t6 that’s so crazy

[@southphillylilly]

@@spiralrose that's unnecessary judgment. He waited till his daughter was out of high school and he did what he felt he needed to do. Who knows what was going on in his head, but it must've been something difficult. So he left after he had supported his child, after he raised her... without knowing anything else, the way you don't know anything else, it seems he was compelled, and that he did the best he could

[@alicewright4322]

that was basically what I was thinking: why couldn't he do his "leave society plan" without being a murderer?

[@sweatergod5386]

​​@@southphillylillynot you pick meing for a random insane man you never met that abandoned his family to live like the unabomber😂😂😂

[@aliciaj3406]

I totally agree with you that it's especially sad seeing how thankful his wife was. There is something so heartwarming watching someone be grateful for so little. It's been a while since I've seen the Explore With Us video, but I think the context of her videos was, she had a small KZbin channel and mentioned wanting to make crafts to sell. I believe (although there's no way for me to know) that there was a large part of her that hoped that her KZbin channel and/or her crafts business would end up taking off and she would be able to contribute to the household income.

[@lindymerry38]

The plans that people had that can no longer be realised due to the loss of their lives is one of the poignant things about death.

[@HLB313]

I think he thought he would escape the self loathing by killing his family and hiding in the woods because he thought it was coming from external sources not himself. I bet he got a nasty shock in those few days after.

[@rekietabeatslc9980]

Professor Sam Vaknin would agree. He says that alternative, believing it's from internally, can be beneficial if they realize that means that they do have some control over the situation (versus being a powerless victim who must take revenge on the ones who destroyed his life.)

[@oblivionzzzmike]

I remember this case. Dude built a ‘remote hideout’ barely a mile from his house. You could see it from his actual property, on the face of the hill behind it. I was surprised it took them so long to find it. Talk about having a skewed sense of remoteness and isolation from society, while contemplating and executing famicide.

[@nitrodra]

What a weird individual. Everyone wants to feel special or “unique” and this was his version of that I guess.

[@sarads7877]

I don’t think you are correct, i remember the bunker being quite distant, like 25-ish miles from his house.. And it was also quite deep into the woods, he had to go on a big hike every single time he wanted to work on the bunker

[@vh1775]

Bro didn’t like hiking.

[@Youtubereplies]

It was indeed 25 miles trek from his former home.

[@oblivionzzzmike]

Upon research I stand corrected, you guys are right. It was about 30 some km from his residence. Yet in my defense, watching police footage it was far from remote regardless..

[@MrTeapots]

I can understand the wanting to live alone in the woods part but I can't understand the murder part. He could have just gone and lived in the woods the police wouldn't care that much or looked that hard.

[@india1422]

Unfortunately his delusions just didn't work that way.

[@CalmPupsandNatureSounds]

Because youre not a narcissist

[@comradewolf4901]

They literally would have found him, saw he was alive, heard him say "leave me alone" and moved on. Technically adults have the right to just disappear.

[@alicewright4322]

@@CalmPupsandNatureSounds makes sense wrt him filming everything. so he wanted to feel in control of the situation, resorted to murder, and then had to resort to running away to avoid being institutionalized/ losing control. and from there filming is the only way for him to get attention and feel important. so the living in the woods idea is a secondary cope to adapt, not his main motive.

[@crouchinggiraffehiddenllam7764]

Legit had same thought like bro you had the whole thing set up to be easy why ruin it by killing your own family...

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

The fact he recorded the entire process along the way lets you know the motivation right there. He wanted to burn down his life and everyone in it but wasn’t content to do so unless he could become infamous doing so. Knowing there would be countless channels and media episodes with entire episodes dedicated to him gave him the platform and recognition he felt he deserved, and knowing he would be dead and never have to actually face the consequences and answer for his actions

[@Claire_by_the_Seashore]

The genuineness and gentleness of Lynnettee’s videos were such an interesting (and ridiculously stark) contrast to Keller’s manipulative attempts to create his victimized survivalist image. So much so that I wonder if that’s what he was attempting- “My wife is likable and people like what she puts out there. Let me try my hand at it” (because he can do anything and everything better than anyone else). To find out that 1) he doesn’t care if he’s likable, 2) he isn’t likable at all, and most importantly he 3) is painfully mediocre and uninterested in what he’s valued in addition to being mediocre at it.

[@tcancella7286]

@@Claire_by_the_Seashore so sad, and his daughter seemed happy and social. Terrifying. I am guessing he was a manipulative passive aggressive person and a jerk to live with, but no way wife or daughter could know about how violent he would become. So scary

[@cadcad-jm3pf]

​@@tcancella7286 Something was way wrong with their family dynamic. His wife seems utterly delusional. How could she and his daughter not see him being visibly in a state of psychosis, if even I can see it in his every video? I find this inconceivable in a healthy relationship. If I disappeared for 9 hours every week to do something weird: a) there is no way my wife wouldn't notice b) she would be beside herself.

[@tomruth9487]

@@cadcad-jm3pf I'm guessing they were happy when he was gone. But they may not have expressed it.

[@richardfinlayson1524]

i would not be able to be around that guy, he really would give me the creeps, , he is extremely disturbing

[@Claire_by_the_Seashore]

@@cadcad-jm3pf I 100% disagree with you. She doesn’t appear delusional. She appears to be abused by a person with severe antisocial traits before making the decision to end his wife’s and daughter’s lives.

[@CSIPiper]

I get excited every time I see a new Dr. van der Vaart video in my notifications 🔔

[@sorguinazia]

Me too. He’s the only KZbinr I tell all my friends/family about

[@lisac.9393]

Yes, really interesting discussions!

[@bthomson]

A cautionary tale of how the brain will adjust to the unthinkable if depression and narcissism are left to fester! Thanks Doc as always! 🙏

[@judetheobscure4983]

Gotta say I never thought I’d hear about Nietzschean aesthetics in a true crime video. Thanks for that!

[@nonamenoname214]

The Dog’s reaction was chilling. I completely agree that the dog knows more than we do about people’s intentions..

[@Mulatto.Macchiato]

Him and the dog were actually close, it was reported he would walk it everyday and always take it for car rides. There's footage of him with his dog, I think in the Explore With Us coverage or somewhere else. Neighbors were shocked he didn't at least spare and take the dog.

[@jarrodanderson2124]

several serial killers had dogs.

[@nonamenoname214]

@@jarrodanderson2124 that’s nice

[@tan89284]

Nah dogs aren’t that smart. Dogs favour their favourite person, and that can be a wife beater, child abuser and so on..

[@nonamenoname214]

@@tan89284 cool thanks

[@JenniDoesCrimes]

Always a treat to see a video from you pop up. You are one of my favorite creators. Your insight is incredible and you touch on things and talk about them in ways I don’t hear anywhere else. I share your content with my son who is interested in psychology and sociology and he said he wishes you were one of his professors. Have a great Sunday, Andrew!

[@comradewolf4901]

Throwing out an aside here: I think one of the other things he was delusional about, was his "survivalist" mentality, and this concept that he would be able to even remorely "last ten years." As someone who "grew up in the woods" and has farmed, camped, etc.... "survivalism" is HARD. Even when you are surviving off of MRE rations, and have clean water available, and a solid bug out shelter, your entire day is working on your living. You have to be careful where you go to the bathroom. You have to watch your fire. Eating bush meat? Do you know how to properly clean it so you don't contaminate it. What happens if a vital tool you have breaks? What if you get a broken tooth? What if a bear eats all of your food? Mice/rats/etc are going to infiltrate your living space if it is permanent WAY FAST... then what? What if you get seriously ill? The few things I see him doing (like using wet wood for anything, because it can bend, get moldy, doesn't burn, etc) is extremely amateurish. SO it wasn't just his "character" he was acting out that was BS, it was his entire capability to actually survive on his own. As opposed to just "taking space" when he needed it, which would be the "normal" person's go to, he goes as deep scorched earth as you can: Complete social isolation, completely shunning society, planning to rob people, and murdering his family, completely underestimates how needy we are for SOME social interaction. There have been VERY few ACTUAL hermits, because of this. People need people, they need to talk, they need to interact.

[@РафаэлаХендрикс]

Underrated comment.

[@DanaMarie54]

I’m having trouble with this take on the case. I don’t see any signs of delusion or psychosis. He is creating a manifesto because he DOES understand the consequences, he repeatedly acknowledges that he could likely die within weeks of his plan. And because he’s the most important person in his life (kid and wife expendable and unmanageable in his existence once he leaves them) he should document his experience. I don’t see how this is that much different than other male family annihilator case. Instead of annihilating his family so he could delete his family responsibilities and start over with a mistress he did it to start over in the woods. He repeatedly acknowledged that he understood the consequences of his actions, and that he might die within either weeks or years of his plan. I don’t think it makes sense to say he’s delusional. He’s just another very maladapted person who convinced himself he was trapped in a system that he could have gotten out of if he had developed any self awareness or perspective.

[@em84c]

I agree. He doesn't seem delusional to me. And he said he wanted to build a bunker his whole life. Maybe he was having a mid life crisis and wanted to fulfill his dream and felt his family were holding him back. He was probably pretending to care about his wife and daughter for years and was sick of pretending and bored with life.

[@C0MM0Nbeing]

Sometimes a delusional person suffering psychosis can Understand the consequences and knowing right from wrong but yet they can't stop the illogical thought processes, every thought and every outside influence (seen, heard) gets twisted into the delusion, it becomes a feedback loop which creates paradoxes within the mind, in a way the mind starts eating itself, the parasympathetic and sympathetic sides of the brain battle it out until the point of mental exhaustion until one side wins out. It's hard to say for sure what was going on in his head but then that's true of everyone around you. The fact that he doesn't appear delusional means very little, people live under a veil and project an image of themselves they want the world to see, this is learned in childhood, it's a deception everyone plays out and stems from becoming self aware/conscious, people learn to appear normal, but the thoughts in their heads are far from normal

[@nopenever3]

@@C0MM0NbeingThis

[@rainyleefa1984]

This KZbinr (is he even really a doctor?) Just wants a better story. A "this guy suffers from Truman show delusions" is a better KZbin video than "Family annihilation #122323"

[@Julia-lk8jn]

@@rainyleefa1984 Well, that "is he even really a doctor" is a very shrewd question, and it took me 20 seconds to find the answer. Meaning: so can you, if you're really intersted.

[@EMurph42]

I really love the use of green screen behind you on the broader shots. There’s something cozy about being in a real space.

[@LizbetPCB]

I saw his vlog a while ago, maybe about a year ago-ish. I almost didn’t watch your video when it popped up yesterday, because what he did, not just killing his wife and daughter, but even his narration, the planning, his affect, all left me feeling really bad, and that sadness persisted longer than felt ‘normal’. This was easier watching along with your commentary. MUCH easier. Thank you!

[@sonodiventataunalbero5576]

I have the feeling that he's been acting passive aggressively the most of his life, and he then chose not to put his image of a perfect husband/father in danger by creating this parallel delusion. And the reason why he chose to kill his family being a retaliation for them having "forced" him into this situation. Instead of admitting to his wife and daughter that he didn't want to be the way he thought they wanted him to be. A very cowardly way to solve conflicts. Tragic

[@adariesa]

exactly the idea of this guy i also got from this video

[@HLl564]

I think he is a narcissist and a psycopath that loathes other people, filming himself is right in line of that personality. Everything centered around him, the lens is on him. The narcissist is always on stage, always the main character even if no one is watching, because they cannot see themselves, everything is scewed.

[@violettaeve]

I’m so excited for the new episode! 😁 thanks Andrew! You’re the best

[@aeriumsoft]

i agree ^^

[@Afilhaortodoxa]

Very good analysis. For me, he just sounds like one of those “nice guys” who felt trapped on societal expectations of him. He couldn’t break the role he felt he was pushed to have, to the point of murdering his family to “free” himself and get rid of the pressure of responsibility (always coming from outside, maybe that’s why the hatred and need to get away from society). He didn’t see a balanced solution, he chose a very drastic one, bc he’s mentally disordered. He sounds like a covert narc.

[@bethscott4330]

I find the timing interesting when he boasts about how much he’s spent on everything and especially on “guns & ammo” then pauses and sips from his drink labeled “ROCKSTAR!”

[@ruthhase-gutierrez9830]

And complains that his WIFE is the one sucking all the money out of him.

[@incarnateflame3462]

​@@ruthhase-gutierrez9830he was already punching above his weight to even be with her. Goofball.

[@Aster_Risk]

The amount of men who commit familicide and their seeming reasons are absolutely horrifying, but not surprising.

[@comradewolf4901]

Males are typically more entitled to the concept of a grandiose lifestyle with accolades and a beautiful wife, etc.

[@cadcad-jm3pf]

The weird part is, he didn't need to commit any crimes. If he simply disappeared and went on to live in the woods, chances are, he would have never been found.

[@audreymuzingo933]

IKR! Seems like it's always about them failing financially, and the ones who get caught (rather than commit su!c!de) always say they wanted to "spare" their families from ruin, when really it seems to me they just wanted to spare _themselves_ the humiliation of their families knowing about their failure. It's like narcissism and selfishness combined and maximized.

[@mrjones2721]

@@cadcad-jm3pfHe even said that he might have only 2-3 weeks before the police caught him. He didn’t expect to get away with it. That’s the detail that makes it truly incomprehensible to me.

[@kathrynturnbull990]

@@cadcad-jm3pf yeah, or he'd have a good chance of being left alone.

[@jonimestas9692]

A terrifying slow moving train wreck with one passenger aboard … madness. RIP to the innocent victims.

[@mikedahuman]

This just Proves that no matter how long you have known someone, You never truly know them.

[@Jay-kk3dv]

Listening to the wife talk about how thankful she is for small amounts of cash her husband gives her is really strange. Something is really off about it.

[@egretion]

This case inspired me to go hiking on the main trail he branched off from. Rattlesnake Ridge in North Bend WA. It's a VERY heavily trafficked trail with gorgeous views...ridiculous that he thought he was secluded. On a side note on the noir theme: the real Double R diner from Twin Peaks is in North Bend, so get some pie & give yourself a little treat before going on a vigorous hike to overlooks pristine alpine lakes. Just don't fall off the cliffs taking selfies.🎉

[@escarlit]

i’ll have one damn good coffee please 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@veronicalysyj9023]

Leaving work as a psych nurse to see another Dr. Andrew upload? My evening is sorted

[@mariannaruggiero1077]

Dogs are so intuitive. Dino went on instant guard duty.

[@Catglittercrafts]

That is bull crap. I work with dogs. We have some dogs that will be super friendly to one person but super mean to another. And then you’ll have another dog That’s super nice to the person The other dog was mean to and super mean to other people the other dog was nice to. There is no consistency with dogs. Some dogs will absolutely love you even when you’re the biggest neglectful POS to them.

[@therewassun]

@@CatglittercraftsI’m so disappointed he said the “dogs know”. For such an observant guy, you’d think he’d notice how the wife is acting like the dog always barks at people at the door. You know, like 100% of untrained dogs? Annoying.. hate when people anthropomorphize or even think dogs psychic or something. They’re man made animals, they like people who have food, period.

[@hairscrunchy]

Unrelated to this video but I recently binged every single one of your videos and your content is my favorite on KZbin right now. I hope you continue posting. Thank you for your hard work!!!

[@annawestfall2634]

Thank you for another video, i appreciate your work, i feel like your videos are helping me develop a more compassionate and discerning viewpoint

[@AndPsych]

Thanks @annawestfall2634, that’s great to hear!

[@HB-et5iv]

You may be over-interpreting some things here. That guy was frustrated with his life for many years, but could not express/address the frustrations he felt, much less start working on a solution. Obviously, he felt at least social obligations towards his family, and the 'demand' to deny his own wishes/desires while acting as if his life was good. To cope with the mounting bottled-up frustration, he took on the hobby of enacting the 'escapist', while simultaneously klinging to the dream/possibility to have a 'way out' of his situation some day. The frustration, exhaustion, possibly depression, at the end made him not care anymore about whether he'd have to end only his 'social' life or more. Of course, he saw much of his frustration stemming from his family life and situation, so when the cork popped off the bottle of frustrations, they had to be ended as well. Sad and tragic.

[@pmp9775]

there is a main character syndrome plus the truman show delusion. Even though he is isolating himself, he definitely wants to be seen, almost like a tragic hero type character. "at least it will be exiting" that is an interesting quote from him. says a lot about how he views his existence - boring, monotonous , pointless, worthless. Now he is doing something worth talking about, interesting. Feels unappreciated, unseen, like a part of the furniture. Says he wont have to worry about his wife and daughter, but that feel more like a choir to him. Worried they might not be that concerned about his disappearance. Doesn't allow his family to move forward without him.

[@sparkplugpeggy4910]

thanks for coming back bro

[@Tangleduponblue]

Man, what a sweetheart of a wife...she's gushing over him throwing her 20 bucks occasionally. Meanwhile, he's schlupping thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment to a hole on the forest and bitching about being broke the entire time. Man...too bad nobody could get this guy help.

[@ruthhase-gutierrez9830]

She's grateful for his narcissistic bread crumbs

[@69SalterStreet]

The analysis via art critique was just excellent. Simply wonderful.

[@cht2162]

We are his global audience. He's being talked about, analyzed and will never be forgotten

[@Edelwiess1066]

No i'll forget him tomorrow. He's totally forgettable.

[@AClockworkYokai]

I could never put my finger on why this case is off the wall creepy to me. It gives me an uncanny sickness in my soul akin to motion sickness but watching this I think that feeling is due to the ridiculous juxtaposition of this guy larping as a hermit while filming it all.

[@SerMattzio]

I think it's the sheer insanity of his plan and the fact he doesn't seem to care that it's completely unhinged. Also the incredible cold selfishness and self-centredness of his outlook.

[@TenniellesChannel]

He just couldn't cope with being average at best. Great review thank you so much for your time and insight 😁👍you are appreciated

[@graceronan7982]

If you listen to an interview of a friend of Shan’ann Watts (I think her name is Lauren) who went to the house after hearing about her ‘disappearance’ and interacted with Chris, she noted that their dog (Deiter) was really avoiding interacting with Chris, and when asked if that was unusual, she said that Deiter didn’t interact with Chris very much usually, but the dog seemed to be more intentionally avoiding him. Dogs know

[@Alexiasamano]

I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! I get so excited when you post. You are truly an expert in your field and you explain complex subjects so well. Keep em coming!

[@katloo5647]

Yay glad to see you’ve uploaded. Thanks!

[@missingmimic]

3:51 if I remember this case correctly, the wife had her own crafting youtube channel, that video clip is from it, I assume. Maybe his final fvck you bc he obviously had animosity towards her? Idk. Like, look at me doing a vlog now, I'm assuming things here, but maybe he resented that as well as whatever his psychiatric condition may or may not have been. Wild case for sure 😢

[@KatJ3st]

Well said!!!

[@alyonavam9040]

Your channel deserves more recognition

[@roobee7585]

Your channel is what ive been searching for endlessly! The interrogations are one thing, the psychoanalysis just itches my brain and I've been binging your videos since yesterday!

[@EMurph42]

Holy Hanna, this guy has freaked me out so much since I saw this on Bruce Rivers. I appreciate your insight so much, this episode even more so. You are exceptional at bringing more understanding into what makes people tick.

[@megglesy]

42:50 I agree Dr van der Vaart! Dogs definitely have amazing senses. Their dog barking and growling as Peter arrived home says SO MUCH! Absolutely love your videos so I was thrilled to see a new upload. Thank you.

[@therewassun]

Doesn’t it say even more how the wife reacts? As if the dog ALWAYS barks when people are at the door? You know, like all dogs? I know of many serial k__ and dictators whose dogs adored them. I’ve seen many videos of dogs barking at a statue to throw a ball. They can’t even tell a human from a chunk of bronze. I hate this viewpoint. They’re man made animals, if you have food, the dog likes you. Simple creatures.

[@erinthesystem9608]

It's chilling to know that this is what a husband and father had planned in the back of his mind for so long, that he worked for years planning and building towards his own family's destruction.

[@toupac3195]

I'm an introvert now. Have been married once and our daughter is grown and very successful. I have no angst toward society... it's more like, I am comfortable at home and society is of no importance to me.

[@Saritabanana]

He’s made a huge mess out there in the woods. He isn’t being careful with all the flora debris. EDIT- I mean communication with the people he is feeling oppressed, disrespected by rather than choosing to murder them. He’s doing lots of pointless communicating with his pretend audience. Also! I think this problem people have with choosing murder over communication is getting worse.

[@thirdlegstalliano]

Crimes like murder are becoming rare. Although there may be slight upticks in the number of murders from time to time, the murder rate over the past half-century has drastically fallen. A comparison of the murder rate at its peak in the 1970s, 80s and 90s to the murder rate today shows this to be true. In contrast, what has increased is the visibility of not only murders, but crime in general thanks to a mass media that prioritizes spectacle and outrageousness.

[@Saritabanana]

@@thirdlegstalliano yes! You are so correct. I completely agree about those stats. Ironically 😆 I should have said something more along the lines of TO ME it seems that people in general are learning and practicing healthy and productive communication even less now than when these murders occurred with all the face in the phones- But also I think a lot of people are working harder at it so maybe it’s weighing itself out. Really bad things happen when certain personality types aren’t given love and examples of healthy communication while growing up. Those wacky murder genes get turned on and the lights go out

[@weirdloverwilde]

Yeah esp. with males

[@phatsanta3836]

I absolutely get the same level of excitement when a new Andrew van der Vaart video comes out as I would with a JCS or Matt Orchard. Probably even more at this point. Brilliant stuff.

[@vaunniethayer1484]

Andrew when you are describing the forms of art, you look like you are conducting an orchestra. I like it.

[@quixoticsounddesign5613]

I usually just listen to the videos but I did watch a bit of todays video and was struck by the amount of arm waving

[@avanellehansen4525]

It would get on my nerves if i spent time with him.​@@quixoticsounddesign5613

[@batcheeba]

Always a total delight listening to you!

[@4everu984]

BEST channel on KZbin! From a grateful therapist.

[@tina4178]

Thank you for another intriguing analysis. Love your videos! I can tell you put a lot of work into them so I wait patiently for every video

[@tcancella7286]

43:27 the dog knew! Wow. Very sad. Why did Peter have to kill them, why could he not just leave…. Can’t reason with his “logic”

[@therewassun]

It’s almost as if dogs bark at people who are at the front door. You know.. like all dogs.. 😒 notice how the wife didn’t react at all? Almost like she’s used to the dog doing this

[@supermeansadie6753]

I love the format of your videos! It’s like a very interesting college lecture! Thank you for taking your time to share your expertise with the general public!

[@NoMorePandasss]

You choose compelling topics and analyze them in an interesting way.

[@Seeker0fTruth]

I wholeheartedly agree! Succinctly put!

[@rosemarypec158]

So happy to see you back

[@titanomachy2217]

The dog knew he didn't smell right. Various animals (mostly mammals) tend to be clued into the suprarational in ways that few humans are, as if they see right through you. People forget that animals are sentient beings, or never face up to it in the first place.

[@Lizzie-h3j]

When my dog doesn't like someone I take note because she's never been wrong

[@Lux_Ferox]

We live in a world full of magic but no one wants to admit that.

[@rottingsun]

@@Lux_Feroxa dogs intuition based on pheromones and stress hormones isn't "magic".

[@mahogania5536]

rather than supernatural incidents, carnivores are very sensitive to dead animals' smells and dogs in particular are very finely attuned to human body language. Maybe it detected a mix of fluids and hostile demeanor

[@therewassun]

Please. Dogs like anyone with food. Keep in mind all the serial k___ and dictators whose dogs adored them. Dogs bark when a person is at the door. It’s what they do.

[@thetwitchywitchy]

I’m really glad you did an analysis of this case ❤ It was really great to hear your professional take on his mentality, a lot of your points mirrored many of my own so it was good to know I was on the right track of thinking regarding his state of mind. Also noticed that EWU logo around 29:50, their video is what I initially watched as well

[@ktidey1]

Great video as always! You are right... when it comes to pathology, he does not fit into a box. His language sounds like depression and that would explain wanting to escape but not killing his family and usually there is a real lack of motivation. His motivation is odd but he's clearly motivated. The entitlement language points to narcissism but narcissists don't thrive in isolation. It makes me wonder if he'd really thought through isolated living other than building the hideout. He doesn't seem particularly paranoid but his thoughts are not in reality. I'd never heard of the Truman Show Delusion until this video, but if he is delusional, it doesn't seem as much like it's a true delusion that he believes is being filmed or that his film will be watched but a fantasy - like my middle-schooler kicking the soccer ball and acting like he's playing in front of a crowd and the crowd cheering when he scores. It was also interesting watching his wife on video. I don't know if she did it for a crafting youtube channel or something like that. She came across so warm and likeable. Maybe if she got comments on her videos showing admiration, he may have felt some sort of drive to copy her format even if the viewers and comments on his videos were just fantasy?

[@abbynelson9775]

Omg yes new Andrew video!! I’ve watched all your other videos like 5 times LOL this was so needed

[@ninascott-stoddart9031]

Thank you, Andrew - this is a fascinating case and I'm excited to hear your analysis.

[@Maxmaxmax63]

Yes! So glad to have a new video from you!

[@mondoenterprises6710]

He seems to know exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it. It's weird that he did not just disappear rather then kill his wife and daughter. He could have just split into Alaska or some such wilderness. It seems like anger and rage at the world and his family and what has become of him bc of those things. He takes no pleasure in being able to take care of his family even when his wife sings his praises and his daughter looks like a wonderful person.

[@strawbabycreep]

I'm always so excited when you upload, thank you for what you do!

[@velvetunderbite]

I love your videos, always so excited to watch!

[@1pamby1]

I love your discussions. I always learn things and gain a more nuanced understanding of the unexplainable.

[@apr2047]

Dostoyevsky's Crime and punishment also goes into this kind of thinking alot

[@Seeker0fTruth]

Oh good connection!

[@bartendersdaughter6003]

I plan to read that book…..

[@apr2047]

@@bartendersdaughter6003 set aside a couple months 😁

[@bartendersdaughter6003]

@@apr2047 I’ll be retired in a year. That should do it.

[@JuliaAlexandra180]

Keller had no internal life that I can discern beyond self pity. No art, literature, music or any intellectual pursuits that would sustain a satisfying solitude. Killing living things was his hidden metier. I appreciate your channel.

[@mygirldarby]

I think he fantasized constantly. He talks about robbing banks and pharmacies. I believe he lived in a fantasy world and fantasized as an escape from reality.

[@diademoflead]

Your videos are amazing. Thank you for all you give.

[@thirdlegstalliano]

Excellent analysis, Doctor. I'm so glad your channel was recommended by the all knowing algorithm

[@strietta1801]

I love your references to greek mythology: I call my depression „Persephone“ because sometimes she has to go to Hades.

[@sweatergod5386]

❤🌟

[@JaMeshuggah]

I call my depression "Hera" because my mom was a PoS

[@rainyleefa1984]

Talk about romanticizing your mental illness, sheesh

[@NOT_SURE..]

@@JaMeshuggah was? is she under the patio now ? mine was a narc but with very low self esteem, a horrible combination , so in the end i had to tell her i cant have anymore contact ever, for my own mental health, then she died and now everything is great.

[@dorothyknabe6238]

Love your analysis far beyond his "poor me" mantra.

[@LolcowAdmirer]

Your videos are always top tier

[@SerMattzio]

It's really disturbing how it seems able he was able to act almost completely normally with his family but in secret he was planning this terrible, completely unhinged crime for so long. I actually find the part where he starts casually talking about robbing stores the most unnerving, it shows he has no moral restraint at all.

[@jclcrow2621]

I'd never heard of this particular psychotic, thank you for the analysis and explication of his presentation. But is he not just so severely in capable of resisting engaging in performative social requirements, providing for a family, that he took out his rage in the most unemotional possible. He's gone beyond anger and rage and has brought the "audience" into the experience under the delusion that he is punishing the audience for not caring about his plight. He's going to act out his martyrdom as a form of payback for society forcing him into obligations he never truly felt he should have. He seems to me he is an extremely petulant rage filled child.

[@christinekemp6020]

Your channel is amazing! I'm so glad I found it. I hope you keep making this great content!

[@paraphenaliac4657]

At 16:22 theres a photo of his wife thst appears for a split second, did you put that there or did he?

[@g0bletcell]

I just copped that!! What is going on there?

[@suspiciousbackpacks]

thanks for the treat as always

[@cwassellful]

That guy is the poster child (along with people like Chris Watts and Scott Peterson - though they were at different phases of their lives) for the narcissism of the mediocre.

[@fdgfg764]

damn these people who are more successful and have more money than you since you work minimum wage, made you so angry you can't not think about them even on a video where they're not even mentioned.... Seek a therapist.

[@Thekozmonautu]

@@fdgfg764they are in jail bud. They make less than minimum wage.

[@cwassellful]

@@C17HNO I hear you, bud, but the beautiful thing about the internet is that you can just ignore the trolls and be unbothered by their output. Hang in there, though! 😎

[@zelzabez593]

I’m so glad I’ve discovered your channel. It took me a few videos to really look past it being just another channel covering true crime stories. I think it was while half-assedly watching the Michael Alig video and expecting the usual talk of narcissism, substance abuse, yadda-yadda and all of a sudden you’re talking about the “UNBRIDLED DEATH DRIVE” …. and Freud and Jung and Sabina Spielrein (of which sent me down a massive rabbit hole). Philosophy and all these highly intellectual avenues… whilst talking about a drug addled murdering club kid! Def not the kind of stuff we’re used to finding on KZbin! Anyhow, my point is, wow… your videos go so much more beyond just psycho-analysis of these folks and delves into stuff that really piques and engages what feels like a rusty brain, to really push the boundaries of what I usually come to KZbin to escape from, lol (thinking too hard). I dabbled in philosophy as a teen and in my 20’s but my own mental health and substance abuse issues, as well as, eventually a traumatic brain injury, really waylaid my book-learnin’ journey…. And I just got lost from there. As someone who’s on my way to climbing out of the rubble and the ashes that my life turned turned into, I feel as though my brain is pretty rusty when it comes to intellectual thinking and your videos have really sparked that part of my brain that hasn’t been lit up like that in a very long time. Thanks. Excellent work! And keep ‘em comin!

[@kaysuhdeeyuh]

Thank you for another video! :)

[@nexialiist]

ecstatic to see another video from you! always love your opinions.

[@_Dark222Angel_]

youre analysis is fascinating. Oof when her mom says "your whole life ahead of you!" at the graduation. 😢 why didnt he just take himself out? tragic.

[@CarolineRichardson-j1f]

These family annihilator guys view their wives and children as objects that they own, not people.

[@KatJ3st]

This is a tendency males have more than females. They're mine and nobody else gets to have them. Or something like that? Is it arrogance?

[@Aster_Risk]

​@KatJ3st Yep familicide is almost always men, and it's often a punishment toward the wife and a form of possession.

[@Afilhaortodoxa]

@@KatJ3st reminded me of Chris watts…

[@Catmom-gl5nt]

That’s not true at all women having breaks with reality often kill their children, in the belief that they are better off dying with the mother than living without her or variations of that thinking. That South African woman who recently strangled her children with exercise bands, Andrea Yates, Lindsay Clancy in 2023, etc… it is harmful to incorrectly state this is a male only phenomenon as it means women experiencing psychotic breaks are overlooked or have the severity of their symptoms and the harm they can do minimized. Are Lindsay Clancy’s children any less dead because their mother did it as opposed to their father?

[@ariluvsthemusic]

your videos are so thought provoking, thank you!

[@Shaushkaa]

I talked about schizoid and avoidant personality with my psychiatrist, and he said, "Vous êtes bipolaire avec des comorbidités" (we're French). We hadn't time that day. So, thanks for your teaching, I understand now why I'm not in the tableau. I know the DSM checklist but I'm obviously unable to diagnose myself. I'm avoidant after years of abuse between 4 and 24 years old. I have PTSD and socio-phobia. I'm feeling watched all the time, but it's linked with two of my abusers who did that. I avoid conflict because I was physically hurt when I tried to set boundaries. I also have psychotic elements. I'm broken, really broken, but not schizoid. The puzzle is less puzzling, now. Thank you. I fully understand, now. PS: 7 months of stability in my moods now. I'm so glad and relieved. I'm highly medicated (I'm a danger to myself and have spondylitis at max level), but it is worth it. PS2: my half-sister has schizophrenia, at an alarming progression. She's violent and was arrested after trying to kill her daughter. Psychiatry always interested me. My aunt is a psychiatrist; she helped me understand why my sister suddenly wanted my mom and me dead. Thanks again, you help me.

[@KreatewithKelly]

You are awesome! I am so glad I found your channel. Please keep posting and offering your educated and interesting insights into these people and situations 🙏

[@ii8283]

Peter Keller has always been one of the most interesting people in true crime to me.

[@Kristen_Brooke]

BEST ONE YET!! I loved seeing how you apply your real life expertise to compare and contrast potential “real life” diagnosis( that may or may not apply) to Keller. This is what people want to see!! An actual medical professional providing their opinions on possible conditions of people featured in the video. At the same time explaining how that possible diagnosis may apply, making it easily understandable to others. There are several “True Crime” creators on KZbin, that claim to be legitimate Psychologists/ Psychiatrists but they never provide any medical diagnosis and / or clinical experience and apply it to the featured individual. They simply use generic medical jargon and do not “react” to what they are seeing as a medical professional but instead provide their personal (not personal medical experience) input & feedback on the subject… VERY disappointing… BUT not anymore! I was already a huge fan but I’m totally hooked listening to you breakdown each of your videos! Someone previously commented that you have “Special Something “ I couldn’t agree more!! Whatever “It”’ may be, you absolutely have it! ❤ BRAVO DOCTOR! 🎉 KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK!! 😊