The Truth About 90s Defense In The NBA and Why It is Easier To Score In Today's League

[@chrischecketts2464]

I'm starting to realize more and more how player stats are not the best way to compare players across different eras. As the game changes, stats change too.

[@MrMeriloto]

Stats are numbers for fools. In basketball even more so. You eat two chickens, i eat none, average is one but my stomach is empty. Picture's worth a thousand words, or numbers. NBA in the 90s was brutally physical, images don't lie.

[@benjaminan1183]

Pace adjustments are a thing, but there is no true way to perfectly compare across eras. Which is why, even though I have my own list, I use tiers.

[@HenryRex7]

@Charles Stanford have you ever seen a matchup between the pistons and mj? Sneezing, yeah perhaps after they clotheslined him. Come on

[@williamelam6754]

This why these lebum fans thinks he’s the goat. Cause if freaking stat padding and the type of defense they play now compared to then

[@turtleislandlac1490]

Yes it baffles me why more fans don't realize rules of the era dictate stats. In the 90s it was an achievement to score over 30 points. And now players are doing it regularly, and many of these players didn't score a lot in college. Case in point Donovan Mitchell just had two games of 50 or more in the 2020 playoffs. The only other players to have more than one 50 pt playoff game is Jordan, Chamberlain and Iverson. People would be surprised to know both Kobe and Lebron only have one 50 pts or more playoff game. Is Mitchell on the level of those players? No, of course not. He's just benefitting from rules that cater to more offense. Mitchell averaged 7.4 ppg in his freshman year at Louisville and 15.6 in his sophomore year in 32 minutes a game. In the NBA he's averaged 20.5, 23.8 and 24.0 playing 33-34 minutes a game, not much more than college. And finally in 37 minutes a game in the 2020 playoffs, he averaged 36.3 ppg in 7 playoff games. This is a guy who helped lead Team USA to a SEVENTH place finish at the 2019 World Cup, where they do still allow handchecking.

[@adisnu]

Illegal defense is bringing a gun to the locker room

[@pointchamberlain4782]

ADNTV dat boi gil

[@texchu8331]

But it wasn't loaded and I never even picked it up! --Gilbert Arenas

[@pointchamberlain4782]

Tex Chu Gil is my fav player

[@savage7ecneek437]

His own teammate.....hahaha

[@wulvershon8948]

ADNTV i did it all the Time

[@michaelwhite8119]

As someone who was a fan of the game and grew up real time during these rules changes, I have to say this video is so well done in explaining and highlighting the changes and giving much needed context. You aren’t the only who says they are “confused” about the illegal defense. I would almost compare it to pass interference in the NFL in which some teams go with the theory of “the refs won’t call it on every play,”

[@tkbaku3036]

I don’t think you understand illegal defense buddy

[@gio1135]

@@tkbaku3036 what is it

[@samknight9825]

U can’t switch and u have to stay with your man your assigned to

[@nolanrussell6326]

​@@samknight9825That's not true. In theory, illegal defense means you can't play zone or aggressively help/leave your man open. You were definitely allowed to switch or double team though. And illegal defense was rarely called consistently. Most teams still had their big man help in the paint and sag off their man. As pointed out in this video, modern NBA spacing has a bigger effect on discouraging defensive help than illegal defense ever did

[@X02Overdose]

@@tkbaku3036explain it then

[@Rawbtala]

“People need to do your research.” Problem is people don’t know HOW to research. This video pointed that out very, very well. 👍🏻

[@SoFresh415]

His graphs don't even have references. Looks like it was made on an excel sheet. You're just gonna take him for his word? Take your own advice, do your own research and draw your own conclusion.

[@Rawbtala]

@@SoFresh415 His research is sufficient, that was my point.

[@markjacobs7928]

This video ignores the reason why its easy to score and it has nothing to do with rules

[@markjacobs7928]

@@Rawbtala he talked about rules rules rules and jimmy jimmy jimmy. 20 minute vidoe that really cant show rules are even the reason its hard to score. Rules are not the reason. Lets look at the NFl in 1990. Lineman were usually 300lbs fat guys. Today they are lean and fast and block just as well. If you think the nba is different you are wrong. Players got way better at shooting. This is much more the reason its hard to defend in the nba today. They are taking 30 foot shots like standard jump shots. This did not come from silly arm check rules. In a 1990 playoff game the defenders would be 20 feet everyone was bunched together. Today the defenders are 27 feet out. This creates huge gaps. A defense can not close these gaps becasue they cant ad defenders. The response is switching and that fails. A defenders job is so much harder today and kt has very little to do with these idiotd trying to control the game. The rule changes did not create the range. Better players created the range.

[@edwardhicks9481]

his vis is bullshit, i can take a few vids and numbers and put them together how I want, defense overall was better in the 80s and 90s, you cant look at a few vids to understand how the whole 4 quarters were played, defenses always break down at some point

[@desmondpowell7366]

I love when people do research. I swear this might be one of the most useful skills in corporate America.

[@noshotnova2432]

Yup, reseach = I found stats to support me, not you.

[@jaquevius]

@@noshotnova2432 exactly. It irks me when I see people refer to “research” on social media when they simply mean look at other sources/both sides of an argument before you make a decision or judgement, which should be basically common sense. However since most people choose/want to believe something rather than analyze the subject in total before making a judgement, I see why so many people call it “research” and it’s common bastardized use is here to stay. However, as someone who has been in science his entire adult life, I’m concerned that the dilution of the meaning and the distrust it could create regarding objective truth, as now when I read “do your research” on social media I have zero confidence the author has any credibility and implies research is essentially now meaningless rather than the search for truth regardless if the truth differs from your hypothesis (belief), and reporting the findings even when it flips your prior belief system upside down. We advance by accepting the facts, regardless if they are convenient or not, and we change the previously held belief system which sometimes rocks the foundation of civilization itself (world was flat, sun revolved around the earth etc).

[@GodzillaFreak]

The 60s had insane scores, but their defence was actually really strong relative to offence. You need to look at efficiency, not volume.

[@bred1s928]

GodzillaFreak spelled offense wrong illiterate fuck

[@GodzillaFreak]

Bred 1s the dictionary is fine with both. I’m Canadian so I’m used to spelling it with a c

[@sjhshs71]

60s? Fuck dont even mention that era where people literally looks like jogging back and forth the court even gleague willfucking trash their unathletic ass. Players today are literally god mode athletes and the only thing can stop them is punching or grabbing them and you people will call it toughness lol

[@GodzillaFreak]

Dont Know Your name fits pretty well with your knowledge.

[@sjhshs71]

@@GodzillaFreak sure bro

[@emaan3259]

If the defense was this physical then that means playing defense was easier back then, imagine Giannis or lebron handchecking people & allowed to be physical on defense.

[@Yaasiin._]

Exactly

[@X02Overdose]

tyroilsmoochiewallace 1 Yes, but then that would mean offensive players from back then would have it MUCH easier to day, proving LOWs point. Also a lot of great defenders back then didn’t use handchecking as much as they would have you think.

[@trentonmullins4948]

tyroilsmoochiewallace 1 lebron would get punked by niggas like rodman every night. he can’t even handle today’s soft ass league

[@jordan7985]

X02Overdose truth. Defense is played with your feet not your hands.

[@jorgeanta2912]

Yung Savage no he wouldn’t he’s 6’8 like 250-280 pounds With barley any body fat whatsoever bill lambiere said they wouldn’t stop lebron if they tried to use the rules they had on Jordan lebron will easily do better in the 90s era when he adapts

[@mjisurdad]

Moral of the story: don’t take what you hear in a video to be fact without fact checking yourself. Do your own research folks.

[@sizzer1967]

I watched it live back in 90s. No need to research. I know what better eta was and it was hands down 90s era !! Today’s era all about flop and ballet

[@whydoiexist7029]

It was facts though. Please fact check yourself, it’s ironic you say that while likely not researching yourself and using someone else’s video.

[@markjacobs7928]

@Todd Lerfahndler a 20 minute video that should of been 4 minutes long. Jimmy jimmy jimmy. The reason its hard to defend now is because of range not because of stupid check rules hahaha. They take 30 ft 3 pointers because of lack of checks thats comical. The rules had little to do with it these shooters just got way better. You can only have 5 defenders now these defenders are stretched like rubber bands. The gaps are huge

[@james-cd8ki]

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[@shaquillewalker2281]

Idc what none y’all say today’s nba players are wayyyyyy more fucking skilled we are better at everything

[@kenmarkollano5795]

2000's defense is underrated

[@roskichan3001]

All thanks to fucking Shaq

[@jemfeliciano4983]

Shiroski O'charos so you are not gonna mention bruce bowen, the detroit pistons 2004 roster tmac etc so many

[@roskichan3001]

@@jemfeliciano4983 oh trust me I'm not forgetting about them. Specially Bruce Bowen! Dudes dirty and I like it.

[@LuisGonzalez-hx3qr]

The spurs??

[@jemfeliciano4983]

Shiroski O'charos shaq’s not even the best defender at his position at that time ben wallace is the best defender at the center position

[@chinfy2994]

Good ass video, its interesting how the nba implemented many rules at the same time without worry that it could've jeopardized the fate of the league even more.

[@mikejones-vd3fg]

I think they did worry though, the reason to change it was becasue they thought the game was already being jeopradized, and it looked to have worked. It maybe have swung to far the other way now, but thats what they have to do I suppose, like a video game, balancing the game is always a changing thing, once players get use to the rules and find ways to exploit it, that can jeopordize the game unless something is done to change it up. There's no gaurantee that the something will work and thats up to debate what to do. A perfect game we wouldnt have to mess with it constantly to balance it, but since its our artificial game looks like w'ere going to have keep changing it. What happens in 300 years when the average height is 7 feet, are the rims still going to be 10 feet? haha or the opposite, what if we're 3 foot aliens by then. What does basketball look like then?

[@ucouco78]

It's entertainment so they'll rig the rules to however they want to produce the action they want

[@marvinwashington1040]

Great, Great, Great video...

[@trashpanda314]

The NBA along with the NFL as of late, are fairly quick to implement rule changes. And both leagues research thoroughly, but a big part of it is just seeing how it goes and adjusting on the fly. A lot of rule changes evolved from other rule changes and game trends. It's been directly correlated that higher scores equal more popularity. Especially among casuals. So it's no surprise that most rule changes, particularly in the NFL are offensively beneficial. Both leagues have done a pretty good job of staying with the times though if you ask me. I like todays NBA game for different reasons than i liked my 90s ball growing up in the MJ era. NBA ball has always had a different feel and dynamic from decade to decade, and that's part of the reason I enjoy it.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@trashpanda314 Well said!

[@Jponto11]

I love Jxmy and his videos but I think it was pretty clear he was trying to make it a Jordan vs. LeBron type of thing. I think his argument was really biased and misguided

[@Jponto11]

Especially the part when he talks about scoring before and after hand check rule, completely ignoring players peaks and declines including age and other factors

[@X02Overdose]

Jack P His video contained NO context

[@trevor-pv1dz]

Jxmy Highroller's videos are almost unwatchable because of that annoying ass background music that he has had on repeat for 10 minutes a video for like 2 years

[@prfallenstar8968]

Like everyone that is in love Whit LeBron they will do anything to put him on top Lies , dismissed stats and they will change history just to enforce everyone that is ignorant to believe it

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

@@trevor-pv1dz Been saying that for a minute. And then when he does change it up, all his fans rage "WHERE'S MUH TRAP SAX?!"

[@Flamangatang]

One major point that gets left out is Shot blocking. The major shift in bringing in players that can shoot also left a huge gap in players that could defend the rim. The blocks per game leaders of the 80s and 90s were up as high as Mark Eatons 5 blocks (!!!) per game. Today you can lead the league with just under 3 blocks per game. The rules changes also made a difference in how many times a shot blocker challenges someone at the rim.

[@michaelbonhomme3677]

💯💯💯 I have a bias for guys who can score in the paint among The Oak trees. It’s different when Those Bigs ARE WAITING for you at the rim vs when the middle is wide open

[@jytyshh7212]

Well when everyone is shooting the ball outside the paint it is a lot harder to block it, rather than being in the paint where they have an advantage

[@gm2407]

Yeah, if you move from 8 three pointer attempts a game to 30-40 per game that means the bigs are getting fewer oportunities to block shots in the paint.

[@Flamangatang]

I’m not sure the shot attempts in the paint is much lower than before. I believe there’s less mid range attempts which are now 3pt attempts. The difference is there’s less size around the rim and the touch fouls called that stop players from trying to block shots head on.

[@keithramoran]

I remember when Shaq was getting his forearms caught by shotblocker's forearms and it wasn't called by refs and when they allowed bodies to bump into each other in the air even when the offensive player gets knocked down it's a good play bc they didn't touch the off player arms. Oh man the good times

[@Qball42]

I'd love to see the NBA loosen up a bit on foul calls to make it a little more difficult to score personally. James Hardin is really smart and I admire him for it, but I would love to see players get away with stronger contact on fouls. I definitely don't want illegal defense to come back and I like the defensive three in the key too.

[@paquinraino8180]

The five past 5 years are the lowest in terms of FTs per game, that's mean nowadays en especially this season there's less FTs than before ( 00's, 90's, 80's)

[@Skiesaremine]

You get it in this season.

[@Qball42]

@@Skiesaremine Yes and, for the most part, I really like it.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@paquinraino8180 Look at the fouls and foul calls before making this statement…

[@dustincobb5718]

No soft hand checks should come back the defensive 3 second rule and the prohop should be banned. Although wilts era and before had the toughest hand checking rule and older players are underrated for it. It shouldn't be like then because everyone will be hurt.

[@businesspartners619]

The NBA was also panicking from losing MJ to retirement and loosened the rules to allow wings to be more MJ-like.

[@kristion9774]

Business Partners facts! That’s what it was about that’s why all the rules were to help offensive perimeter players that drive. Bleacher report has great article on this topic titled Jordan Changed the NBA’s Center Position Forever. And how the nab changed rules to make more duplicates of Jordan.

[@faveology]

All they had to do was be patient. Kobe and LeBron would have tore it up even with the old rules. They had heart and endless motors.

[@lilbirchtree4313]

😂😂😂

[@xfranchize]

That is correct.

[@theronwright1413]

Not true. Stop letting nostalgia cloud your judgement.

[@freespeechisdead1565]

21:23 Post up play in the 90s 20:28 Post up play in the 2010s

[@marekwichniarek268]

Great point!

[@jordanthedoge535]

Back then when u get the ball u have to have ur back against the opponents cause they gonna check u. Now they can do And One street ball type of dribbling freely because it is so easy now to protect the ball.

[@bernges7228]

That play from the 90s was literally called as an illegal defense violation lol you're reaching

[@jasonturner6459]

@@bernges7228 Did you even watch the video? It was very inconsistently called and people for doubled all the time. Rules against physical play and more 3pt shooting have made lanes as open as ever

[@villacresesborjabryan3345]

@Whos Mans Casual, there was an illegal offense rule, made to prevents that kind of tricks.

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Early 2000s was the most defense friendly era in basketball, hands down.

[@tylercampbell6272]

Statistically it was the best defensive era.

[@frizzyrascal1493]

@@tylercampbell6272 The most fun to watch for me too

[@dancart1995]

A lot of bad teams

[@tylercampbell6272]

@@dancart1995 The Shaq/Kobe era? Spurs?

[@gm2407]

​@@dancart1995I was going to say a lot of bad teams in every eara. But that isn't true. This season seems to be quite close in spread of wins so closer to parity. Massive number of teams close to .5 just above and bellow in both conferences as the season is running to a close.

[@shipwreck8341]

finally someone spilled that cold basketball juice on jimmy's head! good job kind sir.

[@whereami475]

still a good youtuber just focused to much on stats

[@whydoiexist7029]

LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS WITHIN THE FIRST 2 MINUTES. PLEASE.

[@AllenOverHeaven]

@@whereami475 we going off the eye test🤨

[@phoenixrising7777]

@@whereami475 the problem isn’t stats, it’s how you come up with and interpret stats. If you do not properly construct a stat and/or do not acknowledge the context and limitations of the stat (all stats have limitations), it renders the stat meaningless.

[@alec187]

But imagine kawhi leonard hand checking a player 💀

[@elmerwilber3308]

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[@alphazero2005]

Kawhi basically has the same size hands as MJ so those of us who are over 40 have seen it.

[@domination4892]

@@alphazero2005 Giannis has almost as big hands as Shaq

[@Mister__Jey]

@@alphazero2005 I'm 35, almost LeBron's age, and I've seen Michael Jordan play. So you don't have to be over 40. Even if you're 30 years old, you might have seen Michael Jordan because you were born in 1990 and then you were 7 or 8 years old when he played for the Chicago Bulls for the last two seasons and that's where you usually start watching sports on TV

[@newerest1]

@@Mister__Jey man I was barely 8 when MJ won his last title and I can firmly say I had no idea what was going on besides him winning and being amazing

[@back2back379]

Stu Jackson, former Vice President of Basketball Operations, in 2009: "With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim.. The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post." Adam Silver in 2018 speaking about the boost in Offensive scoring and the cutting down of the amount of contact defensive players can make: "We had a call with our competition committee last week, which is made up of coaches, GMs, owners, players, officials to discuss just that, and the consensus, or the strong feeling from the group was that the rule changes were happening as we intended." So basically, the NBA itself has stated that the rules changes overall were to favor the offense by opening up the game for them and consequently restrict the defense. It's rather telling that teams and players back in the day would be worried about the kind of defensive play that would be allowed, whereas these days teams and players get worried about the kind of defensive play NOT being allowed, hence why you've got players like Draymond Green complaining about defense not being allowed and coaches like Popovich saying "it's a lot more difficult to play and pioneer defense right now."

[@TomStansfield]

This is what happens when your entire business model is based on “entertainment” over the actual sport.

[@Shigami-lb6oc]

It all has to do with the sporting betting apps..it's all rigged..like the games themselfes

[@Shigami-lb6oc]

​@@TomStansfieldit's based on money....

[@michaelbonhomme3677]

This is why I try to avoid basketball debates with anyone born after 1995 lol. They don’t know anything until they’re 30yo They can recite other people’s opinions, but a majority of them lack enough perspective

[@Gabe-tp2cj]

One thing I must add to your hand checking rule is that hand checking is not gonna stop good-great players even the perimeter players. Great players adjust to their environment whether it's an old era or a new era

[@WeCube1898]

And the body contact, literally in the 90s you can shadow a guy body to body just a millimeter away ...

[@arsonhakobyan]

@@WeCube1898 That depended on the match-up.

[@KidnapT]

Facts the reasons they shoot 3’s better in this era because it’s main skills , Good players can adjust to any era .

[@nikolasmakarios8639]

Kobe himself, who played in both sets of rules, said that elite scorers won’t be stopped by hand checking. Him and MJ both said it’s harder to score against zone defense.

[@nomooon]

different types of good players here. hand checking is not going to stop physical players like Shaq Jordan or Kobe. But it could do damage to players like Durant and Curry.

[@ddave7026]

"After the finals, I sat down with the league and discussed with them the difference between player and team advantage. The discussion lead to changing the rules so that perimeter contact was called far more often." The NBA eliminated all forms of hand-checking before the 2004-2005 season. The rule was intended to give offensive players more freedom, but has given offensive players an unfair advantage. -Mark Cuban on how its a looser game now

[@RANDOMXNOTHING0]

This video makes you like this guy. Well spoken, no condescending comments and researched. Good job bro.

[@Tcheera]

I also think an important difference people don't factor in who don't play is that in the 80s there weren't flagrant fouls -- just fouls, and they added flagrants in the 90s, but every team member could get away with one with just a technical per game before getting ejected (and the fines weren't as serious nor were risks of suspension). Depending on your level or risk of injury / fear of career ending injuries -- some teams really did strategically use flagrant fouls to try to knock a player either off his game or end his career depending on the rivalry. I'm glad they have changed the rules because I think a lot of careers were ended prematurely due to getting beaten up by this defense, but I also think for some players it absolutely affected their defense either through intimidation or slow grind injury over time. There's not an exact way to measure it, but I think that aspect of defense was a big deal for some depending on your contract. Some didn't care -- others didn't want to get injured.

[@ThaCubanLiNX]

Regurgitate... LOL... absolutely correct man... its criminal to think todays soft defense in is anything like that hard-knocks 80s and 90s... smh

[@JC-po5zy]

If u play basketball at any level you know handchecking changes the game, it changes how you dribble cuz dribbling is about rhythm and flow it’s hard to keep u dribble with someone essentially pushing u

[@mikegulliver4885]

It basically feels like running through heavy beach sand...so hard to get somewhere with that hand or forearm constantly nudging you. It's exhausting.

[@JC-po5zy]

@@mikegulliver4885 exactly I’ll admit that it helps make defense easier but it makes offense harder and IMO it makes the game fair and balanced

[@themaster804]

I had to respond to this, if you hoop you know hand checking isnt doing anything to anyone that can cross but make you much easier to run around.

[@nbagoats4819]

@@themaster804 You don't hoop. You're a couch potato warrior.

[@KlayGoods123]

Bruh people couldn’t dribble with they left hand in 90’s, dare someone to pick up Kyrie full court

[@Qoordis]

This is one of the best breakdowns of the rule changes I’ve ever seen

[@sebclot9478]

Speaking as someone who watched all this happen in real time, I agree.

[@keahilanil3469]

I agree. Glad I found this video before making my own response. The only weak point was how the illegal defense rule change was addressed and I am sympathetic due to the age of the author (or what I assume it to be). For that, I think quoting NBA players reacting to it would have provided the insight the rest of the video had. Most, if not all the star players, were against it. Here is a quote from Allen Iverson before the illegal defense rule change went into effect, essentially predicting its impact: "I think it's going to take a lot of creativity from the game. I'm going to get into the lane, and four, five guys are going to be sitting there waiting for me. The game will turn into a bunch of guys shooting jump shots. You can't tell me that's what the fans want to see." He was only wrong about how NBA fans would react...

[@curbyourenthusiazm]

@G-man This is correct. This is one of the worst videos I've ever seen.

[@martindagoat3909]

Stakk Cry lmaoo

[@Scottygetright]

A breakdown of a breakdown damn... good job man

[@kjthegreat0382]

Great breakdown. The only thing i would even lightly refute is the impact of hand checking, players like Derick Harper could basically guide the point guard wherever he wanted them to go with that hand check.

[@litoace-sw9zf]

Growing up paying basketball on defense "put a hand on em" is what everyone used to say

[@Donotdisturb946]

My call as far as hand placement is over the offensive players shoulders for preparation to contest.

[@brennangum6236]

It's how I guarded taller people. I was stocky and strong so I would just be physical as I could be. Disrupt their shooting pocket. Drive my thumb right into their ribs. Use leverage with my tree trunk legs to deny their ability to back me down. Talk a bunch of smack. I got into a lot of peoples heads lol. If only I could score the way I played defense lol. I played for a small school so Im not saying I was some awesome player or anything. But I loved basketball and playing defense. I was proud I could guard people 4 inches+ taller than me.

[@Fantumh]

The one thing I disagree with is that handchecking is overrated, because that's silly. It doesn't matter if a guy is the fifth scoring option, he's still a part of the offense and if he's fighting against handchecking the whole game, it disrupts the overall offense. And handchecking might have been a big reason he wasn't more of a go-to guy. But obviously there were many great perimeter players who had to do what they did with someone handchecking them and being physical all game long. You're right, and it's an obvious point, no NBA team has ever utilized true zone defense with any consistency. Eliminating the illegal defense mostly just allowed lazy defenders to not need to rush back to their man when they find themselves out of position.

[@kristion9774]

Fantumh can’t true zone brother because defensive 3 seconds says you can’t be inside the paint past 3 seconds if you’re not closely guarding an offensive player or they get 1 free throw and the shot clock reset. A true zone you don’t have to closely guard you just guard space. FIBA has a true zone, children basketball as well but the nba doesn’t. Defensive 3 seconds rule says to open up the game. That means get the big defender out of the paint so they faint clog it up and open up the driving lanes.

[@arsonhakobyan]

Hand-checking fouls have been called since 79 (Magic & Bird's rookie season). More hand-checks were allowed before the 95 season, and even before the 05 season, but don't make it sound like guys didn't get called for them, or that a great defender such as Michael Jordan, didn't benefit from using it. If a ref felt you were gaining an excessive advantage, causing displacement, or rerouting the dribbler by extending your hand, you got called for it in the 80s & 90s. About hand-checking being overrated, it's not when you're guarding a player of similar size, similar athleticism, similar strength. In that scenario, it does help your defense quiet a bit. But when you're way more explosive than the man guarding you, like say Jordan being guarded by Jeff Hornacek, the hand-check does basically nothing as far as helping Horny discourage a Jordan drive to the basket, clean look at a step-back jumper, or help him to keep a much more powerful Jordan out of the paint. Jordan's better than Lebron, but his era's not even close to being as physical as the 60s & 70s, when guys were intentionally knocking Doctor J on his butt going to the basket regularly w/o getting flagrants, and a flurry of defenders were literally taking free assaults w/ a running start on Wilt Chamberlain every time they were in position to do so, when he caught the ball, or was about to catch the ball inside. Wilt had to be even more gentle-spirited than Shaq to not get thrown out for retaliation, for the types of assaults he was taking, that make so many of the heavy fouls Shaq was taking, look like touch fouls.

[@arsonhakobyan]

@ScepticalCynic I liked it best that way, cause it made it stand out so much more, and so much more meaningful when they then did call it.

[@NoMoreLPCPP-NPA]

Jordan's era is not as physical? I guess Knicks and Pistons defense aren't physical enough.

[@arsonhakobyan]

@@NoMoreLPCPP-NPA Compared to the ancient NBA, no.

[@simplyp9219]

excellent video, great presentation. I commented my displeasure on Jxmy's video. he does good work but that video was very skewed. Glad you made this vid, well done

[@thewanderer2997]

How have I not seen this video until now.. great breakdown!! I remember leaving a comment on jimmy’s video trying to tell him many of the same things. I think the NBA needs to rethink many of the rules they have implemented and go back to a tougher more physical game. Don’t get me wrong I do enjoy the perimeter offense, but I miss the days of the bigs going at it down low in the key. So I hope the NBA can find a happy medium

[@2stepaheadYOU]

I was laying in bed and chroniclesofjudah144 voice hit I was very confused haha

[@prestonduch]

Msizzl3 right! I had to look back at the video to make sure 😂

[@mj2wavy651]

COJ144 is the best KZbinr honestly

[@fakedat9233]

Preston Duch yessss bro I just commented that .i said oh hell nah i can’t listen to his real ass shit today and I realized it was still the same video

[@davidmartinez52420]

Love ChroniclesofJudah

[@2stepaheadYOU]

@@davidmartinez52420 Check out his pateron videos

[@jordansoviet23]

Zone defense is illegal defense during Jordan's time. However teams managed to devise floating zones to keep their men at their arms length.

[@ZappB]

Great video, probably my favorite one of yours so far. Keep up the great work. Also love the love COJ144 is getting from other KZbinrs

[@hoodoolem]

Alright I agree with your video, but i've got one big gripe. One of the biggest reasons that 70's-early 90's NBA was tougher defensively was the bigmen in the paint combined with the fact that 3 point shooting was not a major factor. Handchecking is important to both perimeter and interior play. In fact, I think you would be hard pressed to find ANY footage of bigman era NBA basketball where the post man is not getting hand checked. A huge change that you have to think about too is the flagrant foul rules. Today you get a flagrant 1 or 2 for the same contact that would be a simple shooting foul in the 80's.

[@jordanjenkins1671]

Early 2000s made zone defense legal. The way to score on a zone defense is to shoot 3s really well. It spaces the floor so it's easier to drive to the basket too. And since we play like this now, we need to remove some of the rules on perimeter defense, even legalize handchecking again.

[@kristion9774]

Jordan Jenkins defensive 3 seconds makes zone illegal and it was implemented when zone was implemented. You have to closely guard a player to be in the paint on defense or it’s a technical foul a free throw and they retain possession. In any zone go watch children play you can guard the paint and not have to closely guard an offensive player.

[@kristion9774]

Jordan Jenkins if you take your entire offense to the 3 point line the defensive 3 seconds rule says all your players have to leave the paint. Now you get a big man further away from the basket he can’t protect it. So you can leave a bad shooter open but also your smaller players are not going to be able to protect the rim from a better athlete or some else who finishes well and has a quick first step. If zone was legal you wouldn’t have to leave the paint empty before 3 seconds expire.

[@kanyeweast7951]

@@kristion9774 it doesn't make money illegal it just means zone can't can't the lane as that would be too strong with a tall athletic big. The only real difference is the big has to take a foot off the lane once in a while

[@kristion9774]

kanye weast the purpose of a zone is to keep you out of the paint on offense

[@kristion9774]

kanye weast the purpose of defensive 3 seconds is to open up the game which means the driving lanes the paint. That’s written in the 2004/05 rule book for defensive 3 seconds to open up the game. It has resulted in scoring being easier than it has ever been in its history. And no if the floor is spread out on the 3 point line they can take the big to the opposite side of the court away from the quick athletic drivers which means they ya e to cover a lot of ground to get back to that side of the paint. Anyone watching today can see it’s much easier to penetrate and get a 1 on 1 and be at the basket in 1 to 2 moves for an uncontested layup or a small player will come contest 60% of the time in the half court to 85% of the time when 2004 and prior it was always 2 bigs coming to contest

[@taffykidd97]

Dom 2k , jimmy, and LOW need a podcast together...that would be a banger

[@zoo05zoo]

I feel one thing which really pushed the league to enforce handchecking and make it easier to score was teams like the Memphis Grizzlies (hard nosed, defensive team) advancing further than the Phoenix Suns (fast paced, open court). The league seemed to want to see Phoenix make the Finals but they could never get past the more physical teams.

[@dannychamberlain6244]

2007 sure didn’t seem like the league wanted Phoenix to make it.

[@cottonmather8146]

This is not true. Stern wanted the Spurs to continue their dynasty (with the Lakers out) not the Suns lmao

[@Abbad1579]

🧢

[@kristion9774]

“the only players to hit 500 makes in a season at the rim since 1996/97 are LeBron and Giannis last season and Shaquille O’Neal in 2000-01 and 1999-00. In the latter season, O’Neal set the on-file record with 571. Giannis isn’t just on pace this season to match Shaq in “500 club” appearances or challenge his single-season record, though; he’s on pace to absolutely shatter it. Giannis’s 155 field goals in the restricted area through 19 Bucks games would extrapolate to 669 over a full season-nearly 100 more than Shaq. In 1999-00, Shaq, then in his fourth season with the Los Angeles Lakers, led the league in points per game and field goal percentage en route to winning the MVP. His lead at the basket was the most emblematic manifestation of his dominance: He had 41 percent more makes than the second-most prolific at-rim scorer (Antoine Walker) and a whopping 69 percent more makes than third place. Not surprisingly, the Lakers won 67 games and the first of three straight titles.” “The at-rim numbers at NBA.com/Stats go back to 1996-97; in the intervening 22 season” www.theringer.com/nba/2018/11/27/18113438/giannis-antetokounmpo-king-at-the-rim

[@McWms99]

All this proved was that Chronicles of Judah is the Basketball GOAT and LOW is the next in line to take that title

[@2stepaheadYOU]

I was surprised to hear him at the end lol

[@McWms99]

@@2stepaheadYOU he had to clear Judah's name from Jimmies misinforming video

[@jaridatkinson4907]

Allegedly

[@spacexmike]

Chronicles of judah is no where near the goat. He had plenty of misinformation in his videos. He once made a video stating greg popavic and steve kerr both have backgrounds in the cia which is completely false.

[@McWms99]

@@spacexmike when he says stuff like that he always says allegedly because he can't prove it, but I don't know that Greg has a military background. I haven't researched Steve.

[@jacksprinkle2224]

Low you’re the goat of basketball KZbin

[@jmacs1955]

Lowkey you mean

[@LegendOfKhaos12]

ItsMcVay no LOW is legend of winning

[@atharvkashyap6510]

Chill out with that

[@Dennzer1]

Why does L.o.W. try to drag out every sentence to an insane degree? 0:46 - 1:01 is almost non nonsensical. It's enraging to listen to. This is my impression of this youtuber "During the course of the events from last night from the world of the NBA, Raptors Coach Nick Nurse challenged the not un-negative outcomes of the rule infractions reflected by the threat of several of his fellow members of the raptors organization not in the sphere of management, fouling out at some point before the completion of the NBA basketball game." When he could have "Nick Nurse was not happy with the officiating that game".

[@whatthe9256]

@@Dennzer1 so that every viewers can keep up. Not everyone can easily keep up to analysis like this so relax. If you can keep up then good for you but this video isnt only for you

[@johnruggiero4205]

I can agree with the rational the the early 00’s was the most difficult era in which to score baskets in the NBA. Look at who won in those years. Shaq in LA & Miami, Timmy in San Antonio, & Detroit with Wallace. It was harder to score from the perimeter. So, kick it down to your big & let him work.

[@RobinXlone]

nah it wasnt niggas just couldnt shoot

[@milkisdry4044]

People making claims before watching the video😂😂😂 just watch the vid

[@Terpio15000]

Milk is Dry this is me. 😂😂 I was whole bouta talk some shiit goodlook 😂😂

[@cassiusfelix2805]

Milk is Dry facts

[@vegetavsakuma1053]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p exactly! This biased video only looking at the surface as most fans usually do but not adding the fact that players were faster stronger and more skilled in the 2000s and a lot of great players were barely in the league and molding their game in early 2000s

[@milanradojkovic3818]

@@vegetavsakuma1053 players now are so fast and strong that Vince Carter easily play against them with 42 years

[@vegetavsakuma1053]

@@milanradojkovic3818 I'm mainly referring the 2000s not 2010s.. players also last longer the last 20 years with better technology and medicine and how they take care of their body's. Their have been players from the 70s, 80s and 90s that played till they were pretty old also like Kareem, Jordan, Stockton and Malone because they were some of the first players to train and stay in the best shape possible through out their careers. Kareem was a little diff but had a long career. Vince carter is one of those type of players.

[@VeliThaDon]

Yes it's easier to score, and so points and assist numbers are inflated.

[@kristion9774]

VeliThaDon defensive rebounds super inflated no box outs required majority are uncontested and they keep track of it to show they’re are easier to get.

[@mikebuckets]

Definitely. That's why the triple doubles are so common now.

[@heroinvrxther5826]

@@mikebuckets Not really. It’s not common for anyone not LeBron or Westbrook to get triple doubles.

[@fakedat9233]

I WAS SHOOK WHEN CHRONICLES VOICE POPED UP HOLY SHIT LOW WATCHES CHRONICLES.i thought KZbin auto played him

[@guhsuckyamudda586]

You can hear a soupçon of Chronicles’ speech pattern in LOW’s voice. It brings me hope to know that I’m not the only young (17) so-called Black man listening to him. And not for nothing I was surprised, too LMAO.

[@genohall2235]

As a person watching the NBA during the 2000’s one of the main reasons for the lack of scoring was the influx of High School players and underclass men. They weren’t fundamentally sound and had a hard time scoring on seasoned NBA players.. That’s part of the reason for the one & done rule. Lots of HS players thought they were KG, Kobe, or Lebron…

[@grahamstrouse1165]

I think there’s some truth to that...

[@Balla13]

Same thing with current players which chuck threes thinking they all are Steph Currys...

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

That and the G League wasn’t a thing yet

[@toyonakaproductions3467]

@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly It actually was the CBA then…

[@coreyjohnson8366]

High school players probably didnt even make up a third of the league. There's only been like 44 players total since allowing 18 year olds to be drafted straight from high school. Half of them had solid careers. so ima have to disagree... the 2000s you still had pretty great players.

[@squadupkid18]

My guy dead has all the facts!

[@iamteamyou]

To You and Jimmy “GET A ROOM!!!” Jokes....... like both of you guys but I find that you go in-depth more so than he does. GREAT JOB on this..... lengthy but understandable considering the topic.

[@viperstrike0]

I agree with your points except your last point. There was more of an interior presence and less sharpshooters because of checking not in spite of it. Even someone like larry bird took way less 3 pointer shots even when left alone because he was playing with the mindset of times. They were coached to not take the 3s unless they absolutely needed to because the coaches would assume they were gonna be checked. Take someone like curry, he would still be a deadly if not the best 3 point shooter anyway plopped in the 90s but he would be coached in to driving more and rightfully so.

[@victorhugosolano585]

Great analysis, what K. Smith said about hand checking is real: if there's always a hand right in front of you is more difficult to make a crossover, so hand checking also allows to perimeter players to have more space to bounce the ball. And what about 0 step? A new rule which benefits to offensive players.

[@olblue3478]

Its not new

[@gricius]

Man I love these 2000s logos at 17:43

[@Abbad1579]

Fr

[@poohwarrick5640]

I like how its only about and checking and not to mention that the defense players couldn't sit around the box and had to be around the player

[@ali.husain4008]

Great video. There is no way you can play better defense in todays game. The physics itself denies any argument. When you can hand-check, body check or fore-arm check your opponent there are so many more limitations to the shooter. You can’t do those maneuvers anymore.

[@lamontjamison9848]

But to be fr handchecking and forearm checking wasn’t that bad it doesn’t really stop you until they use force and that was called they did it in college when I played unless you facing a strong ass mf it ain’t really gon slow you down

[@krillin876]

A. They don't call traveling/ carrying. 2. As Van Gundy says, refs feel the need the whistle when it should just be "play on".

[@andywilliams2082]

L.O.W, the NBA Debunker.

[@Flamangatang]

Freedom of movement off the ball is also a major change that wasn’t mentioned. When I played school ball in the 90s we were allowed to hit and impede the progress of anyone that came into the lane. The only time that seems to happen in today’s game is when the NBA doesn’t want to see Steph and Klay go off lol. Go look at the first 4 games of the 2016 Western Conference finals GState vs OKC. Steph and Klay were being officiated like 90s players. Then the last 3 games all of a sudden they’re back in the 2010’s and they both go off.

[@TomStansfield]

“Bumping Cutters” was never a thing. They clarify this in the Dream Team documentary. Amazing how poor NBA really is compared to Fiba basketball.

[@jolheels21]

I think we should not get confused with flagrant fouls equaling good defense. 90s clearly let people get away with murder

[@justincapadocia]

Dope analysis. Love your conversational tone and footage selection.

[@drmike103]

Thank you for posting this video; I like and followed because of it. Not only did you research your argument, you torn the opposing argument to shreds. Well played sir, well played.

[@obsidiangreen704]

it's HALARIOUS they say the players are soft nowadays.. that's completely a LIE. it's true that rules are softer now, BUT Players NOW are MUCH stronger than ever. Jordan in his peak 92' was 6'6 198 lbs , when he was younger, he was even skinner at around 180'ish.. . and he was already a big strong SG. today you have Klay at 6'7 230 lbs, D-Wade 6'4 220lbs , Derozen 6'6 225 lbs, Kwahi 6'7 225 lbs. EVEN a pointguard Curry at 6'3 200 lbs could OUTMUSCLE Jordan.. Imagine how DOMINANT a 6'9 250 lbs Lebron would be with the 90's rules, he would literally rippped Jordan's ass apart.

[@Manolo8988]

Stronge doesnt mean better Shaq was stronger than hakeem and hakeem still owned him same with kareem with wilt and kawi vs bron Mj never relied on strengh he was finesse not brute force Mj was putting 30 pts on guys like ray allen t Mac kobe prime dpoy ron artest at 40 years old and in 1 leg 😆 with jumpers And stephen curry isnot 6'3 200 pounds he barely 185 and 6'1 U just 🧢🧢🧢 hard 🤡

[@jacobwilliams7135]

This is some courtroom researched arguments. We could use these guys in the NBA commissioner offices than the smutz there now.

[@derrikwilliams2718]

It’s wild you had to make this video😂

[@joshloach7670]

You can thank the dummies who think that this era is better than the 80's and 90's

[@skywalker8796]

Joshua Deloach not better or worse just different

[@DwayneJr1]

@@joshloach7670 MDJ

[@trevorrovert3103]

Oliver Queen I agree with good defense, but hard fouls are lame. That’s not how the game was meant to be played.

[@mr.anderson1562]

​@Oliver Queen tf is wrong wit yall ??? the players are alot more skilled now so they don't have to beat ppl up during the games in order to win or stop a player and i honestly think swatting a shot away KLEANLY is more impressive the taxkling a guard to stop him from gettin to the rim and 3's are more effisient then the long twos that most old fans think is "real basketball" that shit is out dated u gotta move on

[@ronangelopena906]

I usually don't watch 25 minute videos but man this is pound for pound good stuff. Now it all makes sense how small ball Phoenix Steve Nash won back to back MVPs and joined the 50-40-90 club. He was at the right place, at the right time.

[@markjacobs7928]

Sure try to make it about rules. He was at the right place at the right time because the nba had no decent big guys. Shaq was the only 1 this allowed the suns to be good in a poor nba class. Rules did not create better shooters. The players just got better over time. They now take 30 foot jumpers so the defense is spread out like strechted rubberbands trying to do an impossible job. We have a few decent centers again and now these feminine teams like the suns cant win. Nothing to do with rules

[@kylotren979]

Low, you have what’s called, real love for the game. Keep it going man, love watching your content

[@MrOccyc]

Agree with your comments. Today's NBA is a result of too many playoff games being 80-75 contests in the Pat Reilly Knicks Era. It's a shame because watching LBJ take 4 steps down (travel) the lane to dunk or see Harden let his guy run by him is not basketball to me.

[@ionesito]

As an "old head" my problem has never been if the NBA now is better or worse than before. My problem has always been the comparisons, you can't compare any player from today to anyone from the 80s or 90s because they didn't play with the same rules, period. Today's players aren't necessarily softer, they just can't defend like in the 80s and 90s or they would foul out in the second quarter or even get ejected with mickey mouse technicals.

[@littleprince8164]

Great point, I don't necessarily think they're softer nowadays. I think the officiating really has been a huge detriment to the defenses today. Zone defenses have sort of replaced the individual/one on one defenses from the old days which I think is great on its own but the rules doesn't allow players to be as physical nowadays. Glad to see someone like you not downplaying today's nba as softer players.

[@elias7525]

finally a old head with sense

[@25PETERTYLER25]

The players today or faster and more skilled so the only factor is what rules are there cause superstars will adjust they are basketball players

[@DiorInEveryStore]

@@25PETERTYLER25🧢

[@RonnieG]

Respectful and informed rebuttal. I love Jimmy but I couldn't even bring myself to watch his whole video.

[@gatorage850]

the problem with all this is the best teams around/after 04. Pistons/Spurs/lakers etc... "when the rules were changed". probably had the best defenders has a whole in the NBA history.

[@faveology]

That Pistons team was fucking glorious. Easily one of the greatest defenses of all time, in an era dominated by offense... how could you not love them?

[@christoneyoung261]

@@faveology all they did was just push someone on the ground and punch them THAT NOT GOOD DEFENSE in today's era they would be ass the only reason they got so far is because they inured players ON PURPOSE so no they was not good back then and will not be good in todays era.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@christoneyoung261 Thanks for showing you have NO basketball knowledge…

[@kamil2k111]

Every basketball in the NBA playing in both eras says that it used to be harder in the '90s

[@Hawkeyes319]

Chronicles of Judah in the end I love it. Goated channel right there

[@sean7891233]

wow that was really good stuff man, can't wait for your next video! much love ...

[@ktay9709]

It amazes me how people who did not witness the evolution of the game refuse to accept the facts, even from the players themselves. No other generation of basketball fans has gone so far out of their way to invalidate the past.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Oh, but basketball fans who watched the game in the past are right for trying to invalidate the current era? That's flaming hypocrisy on both sides. The current generation does not have the right to invalidate the past, but it's vice versa for the past generation, too.

[@ktay9709]

@Urbain Delva Yes, they absolutely are. A person who has seen both eras has a basis for comparison. Those who have never seen the previous eras make no sense having an opinion on what they have no idea about. And it's not about invalidation, it's about actually having a basis to compare both eras.

[@thedangerwich5476]

Gary Payton was old and nearing the end of his career “post hand check.”😂 that’s why his numbers got worse.

[@Ruk.14]

This whole argument breaks down when you realise every single mba superstar complains about the removing of the illegal defensive rule. Duncan, garnett, iverson, shaq, t mac, gary Payton, and a bunch more all universally hate it. Kobe is quoted as saying 80s rules are beneficial to scorers such as himself, kd, and melo. " i dont care if you hand check us with 3 hands, if there's no one behine you, you're not going to stop us". Michael jordan is also quoted as saying " i never liked zone. I think it's a lazy way to play defense because with it you can eliminate stars making things happen." Jordan also said " i would not have had the career that i had if i played with zone defense." So no, it was not harder to score in the 80s or 90s. The biggest problem was offense were very stagnant, players couldn't shoot, and there wasnt a lot of ball movement. If the 2017 warriors played in the 90s, they would be significantly better than they are now because defenses would have no idea how to stop them

[@kowishto]

Ruki Wizards Jordan

[@Ruk.14]

@@kowishto If Jordan played against the defensive schemes they use today he'd still average the same numbers he put up in the 90s. The biggest problem with nba fans arguing for players is they try to do straight comparisons between eras. If I took jordan right out of the 90s and put him in today's game he wouldnt be nearly as great. If he was the same age as kawhi and zone defenses were all he played against and he had modern fitness training he'd be the best player in the world. Jordan still did well on the wizards because he still had his athleticism. Just because he averaged 25 ppg then doesnt mean he'd average 60 in his prime.

[@mr.harambe2658]

@@Ruk.14 lol what a joke Jordan literally dropped 20ppg at the age of 40 with injury against zone defense. So what your argument

[@Ruk.14]

@@mr.harambe2658 My point is averaging 40ppg is impossible and it isn't easier to score. Larry bird at age 36 in 92 and barely able to move due to his back put up 20ppg. I can also say if Larry played in his prime in the 90s with no injury he'd average 40ppg then. He wouldn't, just like jordan wouldn't average 50ppg like people suggest.

[@mr.harambe2658]

@@Ruk.14 wow MJ with at 40 with injuries averaged 30ppg against zone defense. So you're telling me prime MJ with a good passing teammate would average at least 35ppg not to mention MJ in one playoff series averaged over 45ppg

[@8301TheJMan]

Great video man! This is a perfect example of the saying, "Stats don't lie, but statisticians do." This shit comes from people already having an idea in their head before going to see the evidence, and so they either deliberately or a lot of times - subconsciously mine/curate the data to fit their pre-decided conclusion.

[@christianstylz6158]

The worst outcomes of the rule changes are the elimination of the post players play and the elimination of the specific player roles (1-5 are basically all the same now). The game now looks like a kids game at the park. Almost all of the players are running to the three.

[@thedangerwich5476]

Bro skimmed over the fact zone defense started being allowed in the early 2000s. That forced every perimeter player to become better shooters which opened the rest of the game up. Has barely anything with something being easier, the skill just skyrocketed as far as perimeter play.

[@TheAndyk123]

@coldsnap5742 Completely incorrect. Illegal defense was called constantly in the '90s. Defensive three seconds isn't "zone defense". Watch how teams play against star wings like Jimmy Butler, Giannis, or Lebron James when they get the ball around the arc. They always have a guy right in his face, and then a second player shading near the paint to deter a drive. All of that was against the rules back in the 80s and 90s. Then go watch some Michael Jordan film. All of the defenders are sticking like glue to their man and only release to help when Jordan has already shot the ball. Because if you left early to contest the shot, it was illegal. Defensive 3 seconds was instituted because the NBA knew that teams would just put a 7'3 big body dude camping out at the rim to contest every layup. By forcing that player to sit out at the block instead of directly under the rim, it forced the defensive player to have to move. In the illegal defense era, you could easily pull the center away from the rim by having his man go stand 20 feet from the basket, and the big man was forced to follow his man out there even if there was no legitimate threat to shoot.

[@TheAndyk123]

@coldsnap5742 Zone defense was against the rules. You can go watch games from that era and see illegal defense get called and teams playing man to man. Just stop. Just because former players lie sometimes doesn't change the rules

[@TheAndyk123]

@coldsnap5742 I believe the tape, not the fish stories

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

​@@TheAndyk123 It wasn't

[@christianc.christian5025]

So, if you want to know what the Illegal Defense rule was, watch Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals. It was called four times on Chicago in the first half. In short, it stated that if a player was behind the arc, his defender *had to be above the free throw line* (if they weren’t committing to a double-team) in order to prevent an interior train wreck. …Even if the player behind the arc was not a credible long-range threat. This is why 3-point shooting exploded so much after the change: players *could* be guarded more casually on the perimeter in favor of avoiding a 7-footer from tearing up the inside (or letting that perimeter player drive to the lane.) As this change occurred, players also started to adapt to long-range shooting more.

[@kurtdavis7911]

Y’all late , chronicles of Judah been spoke on this at least about a year ago ! But to your credit he said the same thing

[@TGsoGood]

He has a clip from chronicles of judah at the end

[@kurtdavis7911]

The Goods yeah I know I commented against and took what I said back bro

[@mazengwe28]

Well it's good that there's a video for THIS year because defense has been different from last year to this year. Teams contested about 72% of the shots, This year they only contest 55% of the shots, therefore the scoring average is a lot higher and teams are reaching 130pts in regulation, and 50% of everyteams games are decided by 10 or more points. Therefore it is more relevant to have a video about ol skool defense vs. right now because of the "lack of".

[@bpmachete]

Correction; technically teams are allowed to play zone defense, but the 3 second defensive rule weakens the defense more because in man to man if you were in paint and the player cleared out, you could go to double the man penetrating and could be in the paint longer because you switched assignment. This also made help defense and rotations faster because you didn't have to step out of the paint to be able to go back in and help in the defense. So there was a zone type set up in spots but now Zone is allowed but you can't play a 2-3 zone with a big in the paint like regular basketball, like it used to be before all the rules. Also consider illegal offense from 1987, the rule implemented cause Jordans Isos were too strong when they cleared out people, so they made illegal offense call that if you cleared they had to be below the freethrow line (rule made to slow down Jordan)#dontbelievewiltrulesalwaysbechanging

[@joegevorkyan7308]

Agree 100%. I like Jimmy and I’m subscribed too- but that was the first time I found myself completely disagreeing. I think he was selling out- trying to maintain the younger fan base that can’t live for 10 minutes without their phones.

[@Edd_LShore]

Watch a 90s game. The amount of talentless hacks playing heavy min is embarrassing

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

​@@Edd_LShore What do you mean please?

[@joeking4037]

90’s defense was probably the hardest of all decades.

[@eddieG667]

you mean pre 1994 Finals, right? That's when the hand check was allowed. After the 94 Finals where they scored in the 70s, they outlawed the open handed, straight-armed hand check and only a bent forearm was allowed.

[@Karll541]

The 90s is a tale of two different eras. Compare the early 90s and late 90s and it’s wildly different

[@bleach4k239]

Gonna wait for Jimmy's response to this. This is going to be lit. 🔥🔥🔥

[@grossla8053]

bojo perez he ran track not played basketball dumbass

[@iluvdissheet]

Just watched both videos, I see what you mean. Thanks for breaking it down effectively....great video

[@Edd_LShore]

This guy really said teams defend Giannis one on one lol. Giannis wall apparently means one on one. Crazy.

[@jordan7985]

One thing most people don't understand is handchecking does not mean you can foul. Holding and reaching was still the same call as it is today. The good defenders back then played defense with their feet just like they do today.

[@pablomruiz88]

...But you know that every good defender from the 90’ would be a bad defender in today system. NBA has switched the rules to award those players who are very technicals, thats why today great defenders looks like kawhi, paul george, giannis or klay. Also big mens have been pushed to be more complete players thats the reason today exist players like jokic, giannis, gobert, embiid and thats the reason why players like blake griffin or ben simmons are being always bashed by the press due to the lack of depth on their game. Yeah surely MJ in our time would be a super star the guy is the god of basketball, but beside him the majority of players from the 90 wouldn fit in today system.

[@shounakc509]

@wade wilson true but he would be a HUGE liability on defense. If the small hall Warriors play Draymond at Center like they used to, Shaq wouldn’t be able to guard the perimeter as well as he guards the paint

[@handlebucket6285]

@Brandon Ho What? What guard besides Ben Simmons is close to 7 foot? MJ would be taller than the majority of SGs today.

[@nanagyambibi7426]

Personally feel the best era of basketball when everything was perfect was 95-2005….you had the later Jordan years but even after Jordan you had a group of megastars that wanted to compete.

[@zay_gzs5635]

I think it’s also a little hard to compare errors because if you look at today’s middle school and high school basketball players they got more athleticism and skill than some of the guys in the 60s so naturally there’s gonna be more guys scoring and doing crazy dunks Michael Jordan was kind of a unicorn of his era

[@RobinXlone]

nah 2015+ is gonna be crazy. youju its gonna be crazy u need a be a fan of skills tho rather than dunking

[@landscaping3716]

I don't agree but you do have a point.

[@slappyhappy6192]

@@RobinXlone Skills? There are no plays anymore because the defense has been made basically illegal so now the guard can get by anyone and penetrate After 2004 season, Skinny slow white guy steve Nash won back to back MVPs the same year hand checking was made illegal

[@scott4825]

@@zay_gzs5635 It was a different game in the 60s. They weren't about showboating, and it was frowned upon, so just because they didn't doesn't mean they couldn't. Also, guys were playing those games in Converse shoes (cheap rubber sneakers)...none of this high tech custom crap. And as for athleticism.... if you ever talked to people from that era, they didn't have videogames, internet, or 50 TV channels. So it was pretty typical for kids to leave school and play street ball or other sports practically until it was dark outside. And most of them grew up without AC. Wilt Chamberlain's strength was legendary, and while there may be some exaggeration, pretty much everyone who really dealt with him had the same stories. I mean minimally, he was faster/quicker, stronger, and had better ball skills than Shaq. With better shoes/equipment and doctors, I'd wager he'd get another 5-10 years in.

[@17thN.O]

You told the whole truth my dawg. You got a new subscriber. Facts are facts, not "narrative" to push agendas. The fact that Colangelo was in the league offices and in operations with the Suns coincidentally at the time of Nash and their rise and 2 MVPs is no accident. They just got a better version is Golden State in Steph Curry and play a better version of what they wanted the Suns to be. Kerr was also apart of the Suns. No coincidence. The league does what they think is best for business and that's 3 pointers and high scoring. I like you mentioned know the league was against the mid 2000s Pistons, Spurs and Pacers style of play that was defense oriented (I loved it myself) but "the fans" don't like defense and only want to see scoring. So that's why we have had what we have had the last 10 years. Also why D'Antoni keeps getting jobs.

[@terryf3282]

In Jordan's first season 1984/85 51 players averaged over 50% in field goals by the 2000/01 season it was only 11 players!

[@ardi0172]

They shot more 2s back then a closer shot is a more efficient shot (which means better percentage)

[@X02Overdose]

It was harder to score and the pace was slower in the late 90s early 00s

[@tariqbrown6406]

"defenses are forced to play man because there's so many sharp shooters" that just tells me players are more talented in today's game, not that the 90s defense was better. if they are forced to space that means there's more weapons.

[@russelldunkley1422]

Exactly. Illegal defence rules artificially created space to score that a higher skill level of today now forces defences to play.

[@benw7367]

You have to stay close to a player even if he can't shoot seems like its made for the 90s. Lack of offensive talent in players 3-13 on a team. Isolation one on one playing from starts who make the league $.

[@The_Gamers_Gamer]

It doesn't mean they're more talented. It simply means they work on 3 point shooting more because of the obvious emphasis on 3 point shooting now.

[@overthetoppranks]

Jerry Colangelo really colluded to build a team that perfectly fits the rule changes, only to trade for a 35 year old Shaq. Oof

[@thegoodsmaster]

If he traded for a 2004 shaq sure. He could still run the full court coast to coast for shits and giggle. But 2009 shaq sheesh. The fuq

[@cobbler88]

Something a lot of people don't take into account is the fact that every team had a big man roaming the paint as well a few decades ago who had to be defended. You couldn't just try to glove everyone on the court because that big man would be left with just another big man on him. Today there's much less need to sincerely defend the paint. Have a guy make a token effort to step in and stop the fake drive the guard performs before kicking it out to someone to shoot a three. It's the style of play. We don't believe we see defense today because, A: None of them seem to give a shit about breaking a sweat until about half way through the 3rd to begin with, and B: How much do you D up guys behind the line? It's kind of like running a football offense. Today, that offense has half the field in front of it. In the 90s, offenses were mostly playing in the red zone and things get awfully congested in that space. You just don't D up the same in those two scenarios. And, lets' be honest. When they DID figure out how to defend Harden a few years back by putting a guy behind him, they blew the whistle on the defense anyway so what the hell are you going to do? But it's also true that you can't put hands on players these days like you used to. You could get away with more back then. And even if the game was not all about shooting threes today, the fact that those rule changes were made would cause a previous generation to accuse the current one of being soft. Take care.

[@cheesefinnegan]

Came in with the Judah sample

[@iamkailong]

He did haven't consider a lot of things. But his main point is, hand checking and hard foul is not the main factor affecting how easy it is to score, zone defense is, which I completely agree is the only factor driving the game pace and score a lot slower and difficult in 00s. If you look at the numbers 00s has slightly lower fg% than 90s too. Removal of hand checking is to compensate how hard it is for star to store in zone defense.

[@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520]

Good luck with trying to figure out David Stern... he's the cretin who thought it made sense let an owner "steal" a team from a top ten market city, and move that team to OKC...

[@jarroddf.4371]

I think this guy is against old school nba. Look at today’s games. Look at the guys by the basket. Just stand there stupid. Look at Jordan’s team. They wouldn’t just stand there dumb and let them score. That’s how bad the game is now. There’s spoiled rotten. No drive. No character or no loyalty in today’s game.

[@SageO6PathzGON]

Well zone defense didn't exist in Jordan's time lol wasn't reinstated till 2002

[@turtleislandlac1490]

That spike in scoring in the 2000s, and the rules changes, led to Kobe's 81 point game. The league was still adjusting to defending under the new rules. That's why scoring went up for Kobe, Lebron and Iverson in the two years after the rules changes.

[@tredd7385]

In the 90s There was no digging down, no helping off non-shooters to pre-rotate to stop the bigger scoring threat. It was double-team or nothing. LBJ and KD prime Kobe would destroyed the 90s.

[@momo4044]

@@tredd7385no the hell they wouldn't dude lebron's to soft and kd's too frail did you ever watch basketball🏀in the 90's??? Probably not😂

[@soulzy3596]

@@momo4044dude I’ve watched all the finals full game on KZbin . They would dominate .

[@DiorInEveryStore]

@@tredd7385Thats🧢 you need to go back and watch full games

[@jamesboone8997]

The main thing illegal defense did was keep defenders from splitting the difference between two offensive players. This would cause pace and space or triangle offenses to be much more difficult to defend. one of the main reasons we have seen an increase in spacing ability among big men is due to the fact that splitting the difference and sagging farther off is allowed. Nowadays, in order to keep defenders from doubling, offenses require their big men to be able to shoot not only from mid range but from the three point line, whereas to space the floor in the 80s or 90s a big man could get enough space off of help defense to make open mid range shots.