The TRUTH About Bambu Lab Firmware Update

[@TheRcSaylors]

Check out the 3d printer here: shrsl.com/4t6rk Our store: www.etsy.com/shop/TheRcSaylors The world is in an uproar over a firmware update scheduled for BambuLab printers, and there seems to be a LOT of misinformation floating around and even intolerable fear mongering for views. I wanted to take a minute to share my thoughts on the matter and hopefully calm some of the anxiety floating around on this matter. Please, share your thoughts in the comments! Disclosure: This description box contains affiliate links. Check out the 3d printer here: shrsl.com/4t6rk Our store: www.etsy.com/shop/TheRcSaylors Cheaper but still awesome 3d printer: shrsl.com/4t6rm Filament used in this video : shrsl.com/4t6rl The products in this video are rated for ages 14+. Amazon Storefront: bit.ly/m/TheRcSaylorsAmazonStorefront FMS: www.fmsmodel.com/bG7_qnRWGKXIak AMain: bit.ly/3FIc1V7 Hobby Zone (Arrows): bit.ly/3Sp3HRR Tower Hobbies: bit.ly/3FB56gq Banggood: ban.ggood.vip/14gJx Redcat: www.redcatracing.com/?ref=FXq96heFYK8m Aviation Apparel: bit.ly/48yTc3Z Fair RC: bit.ly/3QkFJ7r Horizon Hobby: bit.ly/4c8vZXZ Support TheRcSaylors Patreon & Stickers | www.patreon.com/TheRcSaylors Website | www.thercsaylors.com Merch | www.thercsaylorsyt.com/shirts Mail | 1140 Carter Ave, P.O. Box 361, Ashland, Kentucky 41101 Social Media TheRcSaylors Shorts | bit.ly/3rN37xp Facebook | facebook.com/thercsaylors Instagram | instagram.com/thercsaylors Twitter | twitter.com/thercsaylors Vlog and Live Channel | kzbin.info SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR PATREON FAMILY!! john salt, Jose Valentin, Ray Hicks, Richard Higginson, Robert Sanges, Russ Cooper, ruudy, Ryan Alexander, TIMO, Zach Gushing, Chris Hamlett, David Chenzoff, dmilbrandt, Doug Dahlheimer, Gary Zion, Haar Bear, Jason day, Jeffrey Davis, and Jesper Larsen #3dprinting #rbambulabs #3dprinter

[@sargemarine3709]

I like building balsa wood planes. I cannot afford all the stuff, or any of the stuff you guys review. I hang around, simply to support some people like me. Praise God.

[@burnsyd17]

Yup, WAY too much misinformation. AND, Slant3D's got it right, the reality is Bambu doesn't have to care about "backlash", the number of creator's and clickbaiters blowing this all out of proportion is a TINY fraction of the customer base.

[@paulthetexan]

Note: Orca Slicer's dev has come out with a statement that you should definitely read. Orca Slicer will NOT integrate Bambu Connect and thus the workflow breaks for a large number of people, me included. That is a fact. It is not fearmongering to state facts. This update is not a good thing for anyone, and I include Bambu Labs in that. I am not afraid, I am angry. And not because of maybes, but because of reality. Bambu Labs is changing the terms of sale after the sale and that's a fact. Also, doing that is scummy and that's my opinion.

[@deranged3848]

Maybe ask the orca dev to accept the bambu connect thing. It sounds like that is what would be best for the users of the app.

[@paulthetexan]

@@deranged3848 You should read the statement. It wasn't the Orca dev who disallowed integration.

[@deranged3848]

@@paulthetexan orcaslicer developer: "After carefully evaluating Bambulab's recent policy change, we have concluded that their proposed integration method would not provide meaningful value for OrcaSlicer users. Therefore, we have decided NOT to support Bambu Connect for the foreseeable future." It sounds like they are not accepting the code to integrate with bambu connect. Lets ask them to do it!

[@dosdont]

@@deranged3848 Putting malware on your computer is never the best thing to do and that's what the Bambu control app is, nothing more than that, malware that controls what you want to do with YOUR property and the worst part, the vile unethical part, is they're doing it AFTER they've already sold you the product. They're not doing it to new printers with new terms, they're making a bait and switch move and it should be criminal to do so. I look forward to hopefully reading about a class action against Bambu.

[@Ferrous_Bueller]

@@paulthetexan reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. I just read the statement, Orca Slicer said they will not be participating in the use of Bambu Connect. Bambu didn’t disallow integration, they just changed the road to that integration. Orca Slicer is choosing not to walk that road. Most people don’t care, as most people only use Bambu slicer.

[@thomascee]

Don’t forget that if EVERYONE said “nothing,” the companies would hear that as “no pushback.” we should not fearmonger, but it is the very nature of community feedback that drives a company’s direction to be self-serving, or to remember “we the end users” preferences and needs. There is room for both responses in my humble opinion.

[@Cdrop20]

@@thomascee coming from a manufacturing quality background I 2nd this statement. The customer voice is so critical in the process. If nothing is said, nothing changes.

[@thomascee]

@ Indeed it is. I for one think we need to make our voices known and heard in a balanced and positive way. The manufacturers will indeed have no idea otherwise.

[@mikereliford55]

Keep in mind the people that have an issue with a more secure printer are a tiny part of Bambu's customer base. Bambu shipped over 1 million printers last year, the few thousand people crying about not having full access to the machine are nominal amount. The rest of Bambu's customers will appreciate a machine that is not open like the Wild West. They just want to print things.

[@Cdrop20]

@ I mean sure but what about those people that purchased open source items to facilitate work flow on the bambu that are now useless? Ie panda connect

[@kpbendeguz]

Exaggerating a hypotetical problem to a level when it is obviously not about the product anymore is just as bad as not talking about the issue at all. Both leads to a false conclusion that the product is alright.

[@nunovicente34]

Every KZbinr I see defending Bambu have a affiliate link in the description, that’s strange 🤔. Wonder why that is

[@nunovicente34]

@ oh lol didn’t even notice that. Even worse than just being in the description 😬

[@TheRcSaylors]

Let’s talk about affiliate links for a second. Anyone can make them and use them. Literally anyone. We also have affiliate links for our RC stuff. I’m also signing up for another affiliate 3D printer company because of another purchase I’ve made. Remember YOU can easily make an affiliate program with any company. You can send that link to your friend and make a few bucks, and they can return the favor to you when they buy something. I recommend that everyone do it. It’s easy, and we literally copied the bottom portion of our previous video and pasted into this one. Pretty sure I still have RC hashtagged in this video, from the last one, lol. 😅❤️💯⚓️

[@nunovicente34]

@ yeah but when you make a vídeo talking about such a controversial topic involving a company and you still put your affiliate link to buy from that company it really shows what you’re about.

[@dosdont]

It will take a lot more than people like in this video shilling for Bambu to get them out of this if they don't reverse course, and they better do it before they release their Q1 printer.

[@Ferrous_Bueller]

@@dosdontyou’re flat out wrong. In my large workplace, 38 people have a Bambu. Out of those 38 people, only 2 have heard all this news, and both of those 2 only because they’ve been 3d printing over a decade and parts of groups where everyone is crying about it. The other 36 have zero clue and didn’t care even when briefed on it. They don’t care because there is no other printer that does what the Bambu does, which is enable 3d printing without picking up 3d printing as a hobby.

[@1101nz]

People need to get in front of these things to make sure they never happen. Sitting back with wait and see, cant lead to companies doing things that arnt in the best interest of their customers.

[@DoubleYooJayEee]

Best interests according to who ? You ? Companies can and will and should be able to run themselves as THEY see fit. The outcome of their decisions will be reflected on their balance sheets. Trying to control what they do is just as bad as what you claim they are doing. They are not a government stop acting like they are.

[@dreamers_videos_and_playlists]

​@@DoubleYooJayEee So if you buy a car and after 1 month they say they have a security problem and you need to update the firmware and that frirmware will stop all 3 parties to interact with the car lile the people serving the car need to buy the manufatturer tools or they will not be able to service the car and also they can stop the car frommdriving if you don't update the firmware. You can stay on your current firmware but if there is any security issue they will stop it from driving so you will not be hurt by the security issue. And if you update and you like to still have 3 parties support you will have ti that will remove features like on board media, services (radio, streaming, use of Spotify and so and GPS, so the onboard map and location will not work and you. You would be ok with that you say? If you don't know and haven-t read what Bambu Lab is doing and what they have changed and deletet in their Terms of use I advice you take the folie hat of and start reading this facts info on waht the problem is all about wiki.rossmanngroup.com/wiki/Bambu_Lab_Authorization_Control_System I agree that there have been some things spoken about what Bambu Lab could do and so but if you just keep an eye on the facts then it's more clear what it's all about.

[@WillieMcphee]

@@DoubleYooJayEee he said right there in his comment "the best interest of their customers".. controlling what they do with the TOS that where agreed to when you purchased the machine IS something you should be controlling always!!

[@dosdont]

@@WillieMcphee It's incredible how people don't get simple things, Bambu Lab is behaving like I didn't buy my printers, they think they still own them and their gaslighting response is nothing more than telling us they think their customers are stupid. Then need to learn that not all their customers are idiotic fanboys incapable of critical thinking.

[@deranged3848]

Why? Companies can walk things back and even give people what they want and comments will still flood them saying the company is defensive, the company has 'lost my trust'...At this point it literally does not matter what bambu does, people will blow steam until they get bored. Companies that aren't operating in the best interest of their customers go out of business, no need to fret--time will take care of it.

[@UNgineering]

1. Speculation is not misinformation. 2. When a company literally changes their blog post and then gaslights people referring to the original text, it's no longer speculation.

[@Commandersanta]

Unless you can provide specifics then you top are gaslighting

[@UNgineering]

@@Commandersanta If you don't want to watch any one of dozens of videos with specific examples and references, then I can't help you.

[@Quepiid]

@@CommandersantaDid you even look at Bambu’s post? The look at the archived version? They changed things then said it was never there and we made it up. They are full of shit.

[@StreetLore]

I think everyone is forgetting Makerbot…… It feels like Bambu is trying to perfect a closed garden , I hate it

[@NMHC1978]

i do not hate it

[@StreetLore]

@@NMHC1978you use an iPhone don’t you? There is nothing wrong with with people enjoying things that just work. But sometimes accessories come out that are door that should work but it’s literally one line a code stopping it from working is annoying

[@xendev1]

EDIT: Nate (sorry for misspelling your name), thanks for your opinion, but I think you don't have all the information on this one. Just because you haven't heard the details doesn't alone make the concerns of others fearmongering. I really hope you'll take the time to investigate the details of this update that Bambu has posted (and revised multiple times) before you off what, in my opinion, is the exact opposite of fearmongering - phoo-phooing other people's concerns. I admire you sincerity, but I don't think you have the full picture of what's going on here.

[@fallengz86]

Couldn’t have said it better. There are provable issues that many people are concerned about

[@jmr]

He hasn't heard anything from Bamboo labs officially?

[@lemontron]

I posted an actual explainer video on my channel, from the perspective of a real software engineer.

[@talex-de]

You can always go an get a Prusa again. Easy solution! If you are no longer satisfied with Bambu, just sell your printers and get one from a different brand. Just stop wining because you fear the brand owner could maybe change his mind on product rules and licensing.

[@johngelnaw1243]

Bambu Lab may be targeting your house for eventual air strikes when China invades. But it's not very likely. Accusations of vendor lock-in, restricting the printer to Bambu Lab only filament, charging on a per-print basis-- all this is hysterical FUD with zero evidence to back it up. Having been watching this from the beginning, I genuinely believe Bambu Lab is trying to fix a security issue which is costing them money. That's it. But they've overreacted, and decided all third party access is "bad". Further, their PR people need to be fired, because all they're doing is harming Bambu Lab's somewhat tenuous position within the 3D printing community. Their attitude sucks.

[@ToryBohn]

Just because something isn't a concern for you, doesn't mean it's not something that people shouldn't be concerned about. I love the bambu printers, I don't like them being able to force me to update firmware in able to use the printer with the features it was sold with. I don't like being required to have an active internet connection to their software to be able to use it. It's the requirements that where changed that cause me to be concerned.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Will these potential changes affect new models only? That’s what I’ve gathered. Or will they implement this on printers already sold? 🤔⚓️

[@iwanthalo3]

​@@TheRcSaylorsthis just shows you have no idea about how this is actually going down. This update WILL apply to ALL printers sold. Bambu have said as much. This has happened before even within 3d printing, and it's just the first step.

[@ToryBohn]

@@TheRcSaylors It's going to affect all machines they've ever sold. The only way to make it not affect previously sold machines is to take it to sneakernet, which is the only way to by pass it anyway. The LAN only mode on the printer will still require you're computer to connect to the internet to be authorized. They didn't need to do this to improve security, they could have gone with the extremely well know open source secure practice of public/private keys. This is a very common practice and considered extremely secure. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography

[@cartier13]

No one has forced you to update the firmware yet though.

[@cartier13]

@@iwanthalo3 This just also shows you have no idea what is happening, lol. I've already updated the firmware on my P1P and.....gosh, it works exactly the same.

[@adamhudson6812]

While I understand letting the dust settles to see truly what bambu will do, I lost respect for them. I’m not new to the RC hobby, I am new to 3d printing and the amount of documents I have read through and yes KZbin videos as well there have been lies direct from the company and I have seen it first hand with their customer service. That is what deters me to support a business such as Bambu.

[@tappy8741]

The dude has a bambu referral link in the description. Totally unbiased like

[@tracer0017]

@@tappy8741 Ya thats a big flag too. I do sim racing and see that a lot too, they defend and schill for certain companies. WHile yes there is misinformation out there I never believe only one video including this one. I try to find trusted sources and see if i can back it up with more direct proof of what they are saying. Saying that they may not go this way doesnt make me feel good about paying over a thousand dollars on a printer if I have to be online to do it. Even if it is a great printer, there are a lot of good printers out there

[@a_macaulay]

- They are locking down third party slicers, limiting access to printer comms, - They require a web connection even in lan mode for a one time auth, - If you don't upgrade the firmware the security keys will eventually expire, - If you implement developer mode, you must be in lan only operations limiting the bamboo labs integration such as the phone app, - All automations from third party hardware and apps are blocked - They're entire PR response was gaslighting where they retroactively changed the website and made comments that are opposite to what's in their terms of service

[@cartier13]

I also don't care, lol. I just want to print stuff.

[@logiclust]

being an apologist for anti-consumer behavior is a bad look

[@TheRcSaylors]

lol, just calm down is all I’m saying. I don’t like fear mongering from KZbinrs. I knew this video would be the unpopular opinion, but at the end of the day I know I’m right. This video will still be here once the dust settles. 💯❤️⚓️

[@scb2scb2]

@@TheRcSaylors Nope you are either on our side or the side of evil. It is not allowed to be very critical of what bambu announced (it has done nothing so far !) and give push back in the hope over a few weeks both sides come to a acceptable solution.. You must pick a side now how dare you.......... I don't blame the news or even youtubers because fear sells clearly but i would hope many people would be more like you and relax a little. It bothers me a lot too and i do post on some comments but before you know you are placed in a 'box' like with this comment....

[@jimaiken1167]

I like your RC videos, but a little put back at you defending Bambu. I think with their next generation of printers they are moving to a subscription based system or close to it. Just look at HP printers and what they did. Every company has a “angle” when trying to change something. I have several Bambu’s, but I’m not happy with what they are doing.

[@Commandersanta]

Being a whiteknight for whiners is a bad look too

[@logiclust]

@ says shareholders of unethical companies

[@deltacx1059]

Except most of it isn't fearmongering and its a VERY real concern ,it doesn't take a genius to notice that companies will absolutely take the opportunity to restrict things more if it means more profit. Companies don't do things all at once, they do little changes and wait for the backlash to mellow out then make another change.

[@mikereliford55]

This applies to almost every product you own. Including the one you are watching KZbin on... Have you ever read the full EULA attached to any consumer electronics device/software. iOS, Android, MacOs, Windows, Xbox, Playstation etc etc... they all do this and I'm sure you don't think about it for 1 second of your day.

[@deltacx1059]

@mikereliford55 I think about it all the time, and to be honest I don't "agree" to their BS, an agreement implies both parties negotiated and came to a mutual understanding, what they are pushing out are demands I chose to disregard I am not going to accept the premise of assholes, I just use the equipment I already paid for and remove their stuff if it gets in my way, I am also free to use the equipment as I see fit regardless of what the manufacturer may think.

[@mikereliford55]

@ I understand your mindset, but you are in a tiny fraction of consumers and the manufacturers will rarely be swayed but that user group. As a small business that engages in activities with a ton of liability (and the insurance bills to prove it) I understand why companies in this world that you can literally be sued for anything become more and more conservative. To be clear though in general I agree. The trend towards the consumer not really owning anything can really suck sometimes. Example I’m paying for 2 pieces of software that do the same thing just so I can keep the data from the first one while slowly transition to the second because as soon as we stop paying data we are locked out of the data.

[@Lief_Erikson]

how is it false and missinformation when its clearly writing in the new user license agreement? you know the once they updated and asked the way back machine to hide the old one. when the blogpost is disagreeing with the licend agreement to. you are prob one of those who uses bambulab software all the way through so once the update rolls out and things like the panda screen stop working you will sit there and say "it dosn effect me" while the ownership of your own machine you payed for gets removed. what a sad world

[@johntetreault]

You're completely missing the point.... Bottom line...do you own your printer or not? This firmware update takes away functionality and features that the printer has had for 3 years... Its not fear mongering . Its fact. I can control my printer directly with Orca Slicer and Panda Touch and my OpenSpool mini now, but i will not be able to after the firmware update. That is fact, not fear mongering... Those things use a capability the printer has had for 3 years and now, theyre taking that away....developer mode? No, that doesn't cover it, because its tied to lan only mode, so in order to use it, you have to give up cloud features... Like the ability to monitor your print remotely from the Bambu Handy app... Saying oh just wait and see. Thats just ignorant... Once its done, its done... The point is to speak up NOW, before you lose calabilities...not after the fact. How would you feel if your car manufacturer, of a car youve owned for 3 years up and said, "we're going to be rolling out a security update that will dusable your power windiws and power door locks". Would you just sit back and say "oh, calm down, we'll just wait and see"? No, youd say, no... Its far harder to get something back once its been taken away than to make your displeasure known and prevent it from being taken away in the furst place.

[@mrkabonster]

Wow. Aren't you trusting. Well carry on. Consume and obey.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Since when is NOT spreading false information and fear what you are suggesting? You’ve missed the point of this video. Guessing it got posted somewhere and someone is telling you what to say, lol. 😂💯🙏⚓️

[@cartier13]

Wow. I just want a printer that prints. Carry on with your tinkering.

[@UnitSe7en]

So listening to the first minute, this video isn't the truth, it's just your opinion. You don't seem to know much about much and I can't foresee things getting any more factual as the timeline progresses. Words have meanings.

[@lifegettingintheway2710]

There is a real problem here and you are not concerned by it. That makes you unavoidably and entirely irrelevant. You are completely unprepared to be wrong.

[@darkalleywaystudio3975]

You're downplaying something that is a genuine concern from the community and myself included. They literally went back and changed their blog post to seem like they didn't mess this whole thing up and put a band-aid on a giant leak with "developer mode". I talked to BL support and yeah this is not some KZbinr spreading misinformation. Screenshotted the whole conversation in fact to share with other BL owners. 10:45 Shame on you for acting like you know better honestly. It's a problem with owning and using the things you purchase how you want and a bigger security issue the longer people investigate into it. If this "gets worked out" then it will be because they walked it back when it never should have happened to begin with. That being said, BL will be getting zero dollars from me going forward.

[@tdplayert]

another bad apple, downplaying something that should NOT be downplayed.

[@Quepiid]

You keep saying misinformation but there is no misinformation. They literally told you what they are doing.

[@jlest3036]

While there is some misinformation out there, I feel you're on the Bambu team, simply trusting them at face value. There is proof that they have changed wording as the pushback has started so just because you don't see the issues now doesn't mean they weren't founded with the initial messaging from Bambu. Additionally, your stance on let it happen then go from there could put users in a bind if the company feels they've gone too far to turn back. Just because you want to use the machine and app as is, doesn't mean the new proposed terms don't affect others, especially those that couldn't afford the top spec printer and have added some upgrades that may prove to be unusable with the new updates.

[@vicdez]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2PVoH2wYrR0d7s "They COULD make you use their specific slicer." "They" (Bambu Lab) just did that very thing! That is a FACT. It is not an opinion or a FEELING. I enjoy your content but when it comes to this topic You really need to at the very least state facts. Another "FACT" is that Their Terms of Service (TOS) which was changed recently clearly states that they will stop print jobs from being sent to your printer if it is not updated. Terms of Service agreement is their contract with YOU which supersede any random media/blog post. One more FACT, They can and will control YOUR printer from their end. About a year and a half ago with some sort of botched server update on Bambu Labs end, Bambu Lab made alot of peoples printers start print jobs remotely which caused alot of damage to its users printers. (notice I said USERS PRINTERS and NOT Bambu Lab because that is who these printers belong to) Again, Keep up the good work on your normal videos which I do enjoy, but when it comes to this please research a little more and state facts not feelings.

[@elleryfg7853]

The terms of service don't specifically say Bambu Lab will stop print jobs from being sent to the printer. It states this. "Due to the importance of these updates, your product may block new print job before the updates is installed, and will immediately provide update notifications to help you understand the related information". This could mean that before you print, you printer might notify you of the new firmware update available and prompt you to install it. You should be able to deny the update and continue printing. If that's not what happens then, we Do have a problem. They can't force you to update the printer, that's your prerogative

[@mikereliford55]

This applies to almost every product you own. Including the one you are watching KZbin on... Have you ever read the full EULA attached to any consumer electronics device/software. iOS, Android, MacOs, Windows, Xbox, Playstation etc etc... they all do this and I'm sure you don't think about it for 1 second of your day.

[@vicdez]

@@elleryfg7853 Ignorance is bliss aint it.

[@vicdez]

@@mikereliford55 I am an informed consumer. I do spend the time and HAVE stopped using products that do this or simply do not purchase. I am sorry you can not do the same.

[@elleryfg7853]

@@vicdez you have insulted everyone who has replied to your comment with their opinion. You have a problem.

[@matko000]

"those who refuse to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it". What Bambulab is doing here is very reminiscent to what other companies did and are doing, and in those cases thing newer end well for the users/customers. There were "purchasable horse armour" that after little to no oposition resulted in now predatory microtransactions, where you are lured into a system with "free" game, get a few things for free and then when you are invested in the "ecosystem", they start demanding more money from you. With consumer devices, people are lured into an ecosystem with low prices and convinient features, because those costs are subsudized by venture capital. Then when the customer base is built, they lock down the system and start charging for things that were previusly free (for the user). And since people have invested alot of money and time into an ecosystem, they are more likely to pay for those things.

[@Quepiid]

People are not taking this Bambu thing as serious as they should. They straight up told you they are locking it down and then said people who said they are locking it down is lying. Yet people are still defending them.

[@tracer0017]

Im waiting for the day when they force you online and make you pay for each print

[@deltacx1059]

7:39 and when you dont like where it ended up? Not being proactive is what has been screwing our species, its probably not the best mindset to have.

[@Batchat2352]

Louis rossman is the most trust worthy source on this. Watch his videos before forging a judgement or opinion. Guy fights for right to repair and ownership. Its his life and job...

[@Keveira]

His job now is youtube views

[@DoubleYooJayEee]

So Rossman is another biased KZbinr from the start then…. No thanks

[@Denniss7420]

@@DoubleYooJayEee LOL, for calling out these corporations Changing their Terms of Use AFTER YOU PURCHASE THEIR PRODUCT!!!

[@Denniss7420]

@@Keveira Usually, that's the majority of youtubers.

[@dd1982bb]

You are totaly wrong. From the time of purchase or payment its no longer bambus printer, its your printer. Making the printer no longer working when you dont update the firmware is computer sabotage and needs to be answered with a corresponding claim for damages

[@ocsanik502]

Dude just get to the damn point you yapped about nothing for 90% of the video and have a pile of affiliate links in the description.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Anyone can sign up for affiliate programs. You do NOT have to click them or support us, but we are 100% transparent about what we do here. It’s a shame that it feels like you missed the point of our video. I hope you have a good day and don’t let others opinions bring you down. 🙏💯⚓️

[@desomoncours8088]

@@TheRcSaylors what was the point of the video? you really just yapped for 90% of the video

[@fwdsrq]

@@desomoncours8088 agreed, though I would give it to the creator a bit more constructively. @TheRcSaylors , it's good feedback. If you print a transcript of the video, then read it, you'll see. It was a bit all over the place.

[@tracer0017]

Ya I stopped watching after 4 minutes, I kind of had an idea where this was going LOL. He probably got a free printer for this video.

[@GiovaM]

If model airplanes were sold only as kits without spare parts tomorrow, in order to be more accessible to the average family man, how would you feel about it? The fact is that we used to be able to directly control our printer without any issues. Now they force us to go through their "police" for no reason other than to get control. Proof by example: a Wi-Fi inkjet printer doesn’t require a password; its only protection is being on the LAN. Who has ever heard of someone complaining that a malicious person remotely triggered print jobs?

[@TheRcSaylors]

IF, you are spot on! If is not when, or now. Merely speculation. IF that does happen, we will deal with it then and not panic in speculation 😁❤️🙏💯⚓️

[@mikereliford55]

This is the ENTIRE point. When running some beta print farm software we have had our printers just start printing out of nowhere. This could be very dangerous in the right situation. Luckily for use the beds were cleared and the machines were ready to print (although the farm software didn't know that) It would be quite easy for a "hacker" on any open machine to cause the print head or bed to go into thermal runaway and potentially cause a fire.

[@0waverunner0]

​@@TheRcSaylorsWe can not be reactionary with these things. Much like government things, there is no going back after that step has been taken....

[@anubizz3]

Your 2d printer will never burn your house if somone decide to mess with it the worst thing can happen is your printer will full of ink.. This not the case with 3d printer...

[@0waverunner0]

@@anubizz3 your 3d printer should never be left un-supervised. If it is, it should never be left somewhere it can burn anything down. 🤷

[@bennetb01]

There is a lot if implication and assumptions because bambu's real reasoning is just flat out a lie and is gaslighting. So the assumptions are trying to fill in those gaps that Bambu is dancing around. Are they true? No, but Bambu is intentionally hiding that. That is what is wrong. Don't go after people by trying to understand a confusing and detailess blog post and it's true intentions.

[@WolfManCrabArms]

This is a horrendously bad take. Bambu says X. Their terms/legal documents say Y. Their actions and software do Y. Cool, happy for you it doesn't affect you. Breaking functionality and locking down my printers affects my entire print farm and workflow. What do we gain from them doing it? Nothing, it's objectively worse . What does bambu get? A lot, they get more control over a device in MY home. Over features they said they wouldn't remove. It's not "oh you knew about this." No. They lied. They are lying. Thats a problem.

[@vodkanarancs1]

I just started using Orca slicer and made all my bambus completely offline. SD card only from now on. They can shove their updates where the sun doesn't shine.

[@FinepixF30]

Use bambu studio. Orcad is just a fork of bambu studio which was a fork of prusa slicer which was a fork of slic3r, at the end is all the same. bambu studio has a better integration to bambu printers then anything else.

[@mikereliford55]

@@FinepixF30 Exactly, its like complaining you can't use a different OS on your phone... If you don't want to use Bambu's eco system them buy a different printer. The only reason Orca even exists is because of Bambu lab.

[@andr3w1985]

It's more like complaining that you can't use a different app store on your phone or, worse still, can't use any apps not explicitly developed by the phone manufacturer. Let's say you use a third-party notes so you can sync notes across all of your other devices from different manufacturers. Now let's say your phone's manufacturer changes their terms or implement a "feature" that prevents you from using anything other than the first-party notes app. Sure, you can email your notes from another machine to your phone and copy them into the notes app if you like but that's a clunky workaround and the app forced on you may or may not have all of the features you want/need. It's also potentially anti-competitive as it penalises you for not standardising on their ecosystem when the rest of the industry (mostly) allows you to use whatever app you like.

[@mikereliford55]

@ like a game console? Not many complaints there. All software has to conform to the manufacturer’s regulations/trsting to try to ensure everything works and is secure within reason. (Obviously nothing is perfect) Console gamers love the simplicity of buying something that works without messing around like you may have to with PC gaming for example. (Granted it’s get easier but still not always plug and play) Everyone can cry all they want but Bambu has been able to accomplish what no other company has done, and EVERY printer on the market today is better because of Bambu Labs. If someone doesn’t like it they are free to buy something else.

[@andr3w1985]

Please tell me which games consoles ONLY allow you to play games developed by the console manufacturer. Out of that list of consoles please then tell me which of them USED TO allow you to play third-party games but NOW do not. This isn't the first time Bambu have changed the terms after people bought their product. They quietly added exclusions to the 2 year warranty for the AMS Hub and AMS first stage feeder and denied warranty replacements for those who bought the AMS before the change (they now only have a limited 3 month warranty). They also no longer allow The Internet Archive to store archived copies of their website so going back and finding and verifying these subtle changes to their terms/blog posts is more difficult than it used to be.

[@dosdont]

Fear mongering? 🤦🏻‍♂ The bottom line is their Bambu Control program is nothing more than unnecessary malware, period. Your narrative is negligent to your subs. Glad you don't need anymore subs. I recommend your subs educate themselves by watching videos and reading from more informed content creators.

[@Th3_Normie]

Watched your whole video to give it a fair shake. It is the very definition of click bait. The thumbnail and title are extremely misleading and hypocritical. You presented no facts, no new information, clearly did minimal-to-no research, all while expressing your opinion on a subject you’re clearly uninformed on and being disrespectful and dismissive to those that have genuine concerns. Ironically, you flippantly mentioned the Xbox example, where in fact, consumer backlash did deter them from implementing that decision. In a world where almost everything is becoming online only and/or subscription based, those with concerns about Bambu’s forthcoming business model are valid. I’m just getting interested in 3D printing and am not married to any company. However, from the research I’ve done over the last several months, it appears that 3D-printing enthusiasts enjoy and value personal freedom and privacy, and full control and ownership of not only their equipment, but the services they use with it. While you, and the Apple fans on here, may find the 1984-like oversight and control, and highly restrictive walled garden acceptable, or even preferable, many others do not. I may or may not buy a Bambu printer and accept that the company is clearly inexperienced with proper cybersecurity and secure coding practices, is moving to an Apple-like business model, and is clearly willing to lie to and disrespect its consumers. However, I’m not going to tell others they are wrong, fearmongering, or overreacting just because my personal choice is to accept subservience and complacency. In fact I applaud and support those willing to fight against companies who are treating them poorly, because any positive changes that Bambu makes will be due to them. Lastly, you mentioned DJI in one of your responses and what seemed to be a now unsupported or abandoned product. Again ironic, as I believe former DJI personnel founded Bambu.

[@brants7131]

Don't Glue the Gold bed. If you are making precision parts, rough bed isn't ideal. Engineer bed w/glue will get you smoother bottoms. PEX as well.

[@eduardofernandez5217]

You sir are betraying your community for clicks and views

[@DieSnider]

one tip when ambient temp goes down bump bed temp 5degerees and keep door close for great bed adhesion.

[@markwyman2912]

Even if Bambu Labs backs off, I won't be buying any more of there products.

[@TheRcSaylors]

That’s completely fair in a world of choices! I’m definitely invested in the 3D printing world heavily now after a couple of recent purchases and have also been exploring different brands with newer models that are coming out soon. Excited about the idea of a couple, if they can deliver their promises! 👍💯😎⚓️

[@patriotrising6214]

For the last year I've been producing figures for 3D printed merchandise. And now as we prepare for a printer , we have been in awe over the lack of accurate information concerning equipment or it's proper and successful use . Clearly a science in it's infancy , and teething 😮 please keep sharing your personal experiences with the Bamboo printer and any other 3D printing information.

[@petermarkk1408]

Any missing people in your basement?

[@TheRcSaylors]

What!? This is a strange, yet also serious accusation. Screenshotting and waiting for your explanation. I feel very uncomfortable from your comment.

[@fennoman9241]

@@TheRcSaylors wääwää

[@jacobscott8355]

You spent the first half of your video repeating yourself over and and over again, comparing printing to rcs. Then explaining that you didnt understand a draft or different temperature would cause melting plastic to not melt and adhere to itself , then it shows you’re limited knowledge in the 3D printing space . Nothing wrong with that, at all. I commend you for admitting you are using the help groups . But you also didn’t go over any of the patch notes or explain why you shouldn’t be upset , The only explanation was “they work them selves out “ “ive seen it before “ You’re example of Xbox , is a perfext example of community outrage working because consumer opinions matter and it will kill the company .

[@kpbendeguz]

Since people can make money from clickbait contents, fearmongering has become a business itself. Sure people can express their concerns about certain business decisions, but headlining a firmware update as "THIS PRODUCT IS NOT RECOMMENDED ANYMORE" because of hypothetical problems it may or may not cause is just ridiculous and I block any youtubers who goes down to that level.

[@TheRcSaylors]

I’m so glad to know that there are still level headed thinkers in the world. I’m glad I made this video. It’s truly exposing some very real problems about the 3D printer community that I had my suspicions about. It seems to be a very divided and angry community on one side, and an extremely helpful, uplifting community on the other side. Almost no middle ground at all here from what I’m seeing. Thank you for chiming in 🙏💯❤️😎⚓️

[@Timber-Wolf]

Same here.

[@BashOnHobbies]

It’s every hobby from mini figures to real rockets 😂 But seriously it’s toxic sometimes.

[@Ringwraith19]

This guy is on Bambu payroll for sure.

[@LilApe]

They all are, its why nobody on YT ever said anything bad about them for 2.5 years, even though bambu had like 20 different major controversies.

[@DargoDog]

I have been watching a lot of videos on this, and I have to say, the bulk of the opinions come after they read what has been posted on Bambu's site. No, I don't not think it is fearmongering, it is getting the community hackles up when the group sees something going the wrong way. With that, Bambu and do what they wish, and we will cast our opinion of what they did with our wallets. With that, I print a lot of RC parts and tools with my P1S, and am hopeful Bambu does not go off the deep end here. If they do, there is a Core One with my name on it. And, for clarification, I am a ground pounder, I do scale RC crawlers and 1/14 scale semi trucks and construction equipment. I have wanted to get into flying, however I do enough damage at eight MPH on the ground, getting airborne would cost me a lot more money.

[@MarkC-1970]

You are missing the point, it is not want they 'could do' it is what they 'should do'. They should leave users free to do as they please with their own hardware. I was going to try the X1C but not now. I have instead ordered a mk4S kit to replace my old mk3, it is not as good in many ways but now I have bought it I am free to use it how I want to use it.

[@mikereliford55]

If you buy a printer (or any other smart consumer electronic device) from any company they can change what it can and cannot do at anytime.

[@MarkC-1970]

@@mikereliford55 No they can not! In the UK we have Consumer Protection laws that prevent such behaviour, the same reason is true for the EU and I am sure it is for the US as well.

[@anubizz3]

​Ah really.... so apple watch user in UK still have force touch after updating watch to watch is 7?

[@SnoringVids]

Please do more research before putting down other youtubers

[@SnoringVids]

@hobblegobble 😂 that's what they get for putting themselves out there. I have a small tech channel and I covered this on a very surface level. It's not Bambu is right an anyone else is wrong or PRO Bambu Anti Bambu. This is about providing the facts to the end user and allowing them to decide. I haven't seen any videos saying specifically don't buy the printers. I've seen lots of I'm not going to or if you're worried about this happening or they've already removed this capability or his an except from the TOS and here is the edits they've made to their statements. Bambu is great for the right user and the machines usually perform great, but this is about consumers rights and getting to make an informed decision.

[@SnoringVids]

@@bierbarrel there is a middle ground and I think I'm pretty close. I still recommend the A1 mini to people as long as they are aware of what's happening. I'm not gong to tell anyone not to support a company but it's important to ask those questions and be informed before making a large purchase. I don't think they will charge a subscription anytime soon but there is a small possibility that there cold be issues with their servers and that may cause problems for some users. I'm to into orca slicer and using octoprint, and enjoy 3rd party mods so I'll be going a different way. But if I got a bambu instead of an ender 5 pro I bet I'd be way better at modeling 😁

[@SnoringVids]

@@bierbarrel I didn't dislike the video but there are pros and cons to this debate and seems like youtubers/ everyone wants to be hard on one side or the other it's possible that they make great printers and that these changes make their printers not for a subset of hobbyist. I hope this is as far as it goes and they began allowing more integration with more 3rd parties. I'm not planning on buying but some of the printers are still top tier.

[@offroaddreams4x4ed]

Thanks for making this video. I ordered a P1S a few hours before they posted the first post about the firmware. I’m really up in the air. This is not my first printer, I have built my own printers in the past. I really hope this turns out better than it sounds. Like you I do see some of the parallels to the RC hobby I like to fly drones and people thought remote ID was going to be the end of the world.

[@ThatTechGuy01]

Hey Nate you should give the new bambu lab super tack build plate a try. it’s really good no glue required and pla prints and sticks great to it. I have it on all 3 of my bambu s and I’ll never go back.look it up . Ps love your work

[@jerrymac6226]

I think it's important to let people speculate on what could happen based on information that is out there. The idea that you should sit back and not do anything until the dust settles is foolish. If you didn't go out and spend $1500 on a product, but were looking and you heard about what might happen, you might think twice about spending your hard earned money on a company that may or may not screw you out of that money. I think it is always a great idea to share information and make it available for everyone. They can make a decision for themselves based on what they decide and not be hindered or steered into making an uniformed decision because people want to control a narrative. Don't downplay something because you already spent your money and you own the item at the center of the controversy. Let everyone have the freedom of making their own decisions.

[@AlienTaskForce]

I agree with you. To add to this, you should watch Slant 3D's video from this weekend about this. It was very well thought out. As you said too much fear mongering. Too much speculation about what "might" happen. Too much from 3d parties telling Bambu how to run their business when Bambu has been communicating with them, but they don't like what they hear.

[@rickydeldo8596]

Wow, that's an impressively stupid point of view, just because other people take care about a problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist (for you) ^^.

[@desiv1170]

If you (not you specifically, but the generic you) are the type of person who just wants their printer to work and doesn't care if it is tied to only one vendor and/or if you "need" cloud services to have these things work, then it's not an issue. Yes, none of this might happen. And if one is OK with waiting until/if the bad thing happens to react, then that is fine. But there are other people who would prefer to let Bambu know early on how concerned they are so maybe they can keep it from happening. Open source is really important to a lot of people in the 3D Printing world. So is right-to-repair. It isn't important to all 3D Printer owners, and that is fine. But I am not sure why it would be a problem when other people want to be proactive? Not sure why that would rub you the wrong way?

[@mikereliford55]

Please understand the two distinct hobbies that operate side by side. 3d printING and 3d printERS. If you are into printing Bambu has by far the best eco system out there. If you are into printers buy whatever you want or make it from scratch. Go open source until your heart is content. The thing is, you can’t have it both ways. We have (26) Bambu printers and (6) other printers from SnapMaker, AnyCubic, and Sovol. The Sovols after investing hundreds of dollars and hours into them (and replacing almost everything but the frame) are monsters that will out perform any printer you can buy at retail but that was the point. We don’t actually use them in the farm they are for fun. It’s the vocal minority out there not the million+ Bambu users that are just pressing print and walking away.

[@Cosmos_Starcaster]

Im same way, i love my x1c and had no issues with it, ran it with everything set as default. However my worries is they go way of Hp ink printers, only allowing their brand filament, subscriptions, lockouts, that i took both my studio and printer to lan and off internet. I only operate via pc anyways but i dont want to lose access and features to something I paid for.

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

The biggest issue is changeing the therms after the sale. If they had been upfront with how locked down they want their printer to be, it would have been fine. Nobody has a problem with how locked down apple products are. Promising freedom and then changeing that after the sale is the issue. Is bambu going to give a full refund to everyone not happy with the changes (and returning the printer)? If no, it is at least false advertising, if not fraud.

[@desiv1170]

@@clockworkvanhellsing372 Agreed. I like the Apple analogy, and I do think Bambu wants to be the Apple of 3D Printing. But to your point, Apple didn't build their first iPhones based off of open tech. And I think that's partially what has some of the 3D Printing guys so frustrated. The whole market exists because of Open Source. So it's a bit more frustrating when they want to take it closed. That said, I totally agree with you. If they were fully honest about it up front, then I have no complaints.

[@kennyfry180]

I think the main problem is them changing the terms of sale AFTER everyone purchased their Printers. They also tried to gaslight the community by changing their original blog post after some backlash about specifics. It sets the precedent that the consumer is stupid and they can pull the wool over our eyes. When I purchased my P1S firmware update was not out yet, so now I have to return my brand new printer as I do Prototyping for inventions. I do not want Bambu to sell my data or see my print list as sometimes it takes months and years to develop my inventions where a larger Chinese company could purchase my STL files from Bambu Labs and beat me to development. For me it’s a deal breaker

[@notsofast2539]

I am running my printer in LAN mode, and have it blocked from the internet at my router. Works just fine that way.

[@kennyfry180]

@ works great until it doesn’t

[@Nyan4Eon]

@@notsofast2539 As of the latest firm update there is a security token by a bambu cloud server that provides a token that lasts a year, and should it not connect, theoretically your printer will cease to function in about a year.

[@10fantic]

Nah I’ve been following this issue closely and you don’t have the bigger picture. It’s more about companies doing scumbag things like forcing users to use their servers to get a product to do the basic operations it was designed to when it was bought. It gets to a much bigger issue than what you bring up here. Louis Rossman hit the nail on the head in his video. Watch his before making any further comments because this just doesn’t make much sense.

[@Keveira]

I've also been following closely the video is spot on

[@marvindebot3264]

Sorry man but you are either uninformed or on the payroll because what you are saying sounds like damage control. You're an RC expert, not a consumer law expert, stick to what you know because you are out of your depth here.

[@neilwhite2625]

If you are not consumer law expert you cant make comment either, stop a scare mongering

[@TheRcSaylors]

Time will tell. This video will still be here after the dust settles. I think people are missing the point entirely. Just calm down. But some people enjoy being angry, I guess. 🤪⚓️

[@marvindebot3264]

@@TheRcSaylors Ragr's not angry, that's just facts.

[@marvindebot3264]

@ Consumer law experts are saying there is an issue tho. Louis Rossman being one such example.

[@marvindebot3264]

I also see Bambu affiliate links (via Sharesales) in your description, that alone invalidates ANYTHING you have to say on the matter.

[@maxstreetglide3102]

Hi, can you please tell me, where i can find this toy at 7:50?

[@TheWindracerss]

Good afternoon can you share the link to the fidget toy thank you!

[@JustNel]

Don’t think using the Xbox situation is a proper one. The funny thing is.. and I said it at the time, we were headed down the always connected route anyways.. folks didn’t want to be told that at the time though. We are now more connected than ever.. not defending Bambú.. I don’t even have a printer yet 😂 but let’s see how this situation ends. But I do agree that there’s a lot of fear mongering

[@krige]

Can you share the link to the model of that fidget you printed?

[@kylequinn1963]

It's really annoying seeing so many of these videos that are like "The TRUTH" and the entire video doesn't address anything beyond BambuLabs saying "Trust me Bro". What people need to know is that this has nothing to do with security, literal IT security experts are weighing in, it's not secure at all in any way. It's entirely bullshit. If it isn't about security, then what's the point? Control. That's what everyone has been saying since day 1, and that's a fact, not speculation. Also Bambu themselves have refuted some of your points lol. Please don't talk about "Fearmongering" and "misinformation" if you don't actually know what's going on lol.

[@TheRcSaylors]

I know how these KZbinrs think, whether or not I know how the micro chips are made. There is a TON of fear mongering going on. Wake up! This video has one major purpose: which is just for everyone to calm down. 💯❤️😁⚓️

[@TechnoGamerPlay]

I read the blog it said this: these claims are entirely false: Bambu Lab will remotely disable your printer ("brick" it). Firmware updates will block your printer’s ability to print. AMS functionality will be restricted, and the use of third-party filament will be disabled. Bambu Lab firmware contains trojans or backdoors for unauthorized remote control. The printers have a timed killswitch that disables them after a certain period. All 3D files printed are monitored, duplicated, or stolen. A subscription will be mandatory to use your printer.

[@TechnoGamerPlay]

So doesn’t seem that bad to me still planing on buying the a1 cause was planning to use the Bambu slicer anyway

[@bobbuilder6669]

IF all of the "concerns" are true and ALL of what people are saying they are going to do are actually doing it - dumping the Bambu Labs printers - you would think places like Ebay would be awash with printers for sale. Ive been looking to get a P1S + AMS for a few weeks now, Ebay has seen no real rise in the number of Bambu printers hitting the market these last 3 weeks. - Im in the UK

[@TheRcSaylors]

Extremely good point. No one ever puts their money where their mouth is. I hadn’t even considered this point of view!! 👍💯😎⚓️

[@edwardharvey7687]

Thanks for this video. I am aghast at how silly large number of 3D printer enthusiasts are. So many pretend like they are all that, yet this debacle has been illustrating the delusions that are at their core.

[@michaelhill4920]

I always use Glue stick. After I lay a layer down and run a print, I will spray the build plate with Alcohol and spread the alcohol and glue around. The alcohol will get cloudy and when it evaporates the glue stick is in a nice uniform layer on your bed again. Every 4 or 5 prints I will put more glue stick down and repeat. One glue stick will last me close to a year and it rarely fails.

[@AeroMaquette]

Apple has been doing it for decades and the bulk of consumers don't complain. Why? Because their products are very good and help people in their daily activities. Bambu Lab follows an identical model. As long as their products are good people will buy them regardless of the business model. Bambu Lab has made 3D printing accessible to a huge group of people who consider printers as mean to an end. We want to print stuff, useful stuff, not tinker with the tool. To keep the simplicity of operations and the quality for the user, Bambu Lab has to control some of the processes. If not, Maybe those who are in the tinkering category should be looking elsewhere this approach to 3D printing is not for you. For the rest of us, we are happy to push the button and get a print...every time.

[@TheRcSaylors]

This is a very valid point. Look at DJI also. Similar business model that demolished the drone world and people buy their stuff knowing they are signing their lives away before they even turn their drone on! 😁🤪❤️💯⚓️

[@AeroMaquette]

@@TheRcSaylors Absolutely. And why would companies not endeavor to protect their products to control quality and innovations? In the end, we approve or disapprove with our wallets. Competition is what we, consumers, want.

[@Denniss7420]

@@AeroMaquette Apple is not a good comparison, Think about HP and their inkjet printers........they Lock you into using only THEIR ripoff ink.

[@buckmoody5939]

I have been ready to buy a P1S Bambu lab printer and have been waiting to see what this is all about , Im not going to use the printer for anything but hobby type at least in the beginning I'm just learning about the 3d printing , so basically Im a beginner , I have no idea what I should do buy or not !!! BTW I love RC planes and drones glad I found this page super cool!!

[@pirobot668beta]

Can anyone point to an instance where a printer has been "locked down"? Until we see such things 'in the field', its all speculation.

[@scb2scb2]

But 'they could that' the who point they are taking about.. most companies can if they want and bambu yesterday already committed to many 'we will never' questions on their current printers more than i expected a company todo but thats not what people want to hear and not what youtubers want to post to get clicks.. the why is still falling until the hits are gone and then the story will change to get the clicks up again.. welcome to the world of news algorithms we created for ourselves.

[@jimaiken1167]

Don’t need to look far. HP did it with their printers.

[@Denniss7420]

Hasn't happened YET, however - the whole reason for the press release is Bambu is telling people that their next offering (H2D?) will most likely be locked down. So they obviously had to back track on printers that are already out there, supposedly there's over 1 million. There would either be a class action lawsuit or another company would provide a New main board to use in Bambu printers.

[@scb2scb2]

@@Denniss7420 How do you know they are backtracking and in fact how do you know this is about the H2D. All i can see in the answers given to the verge is that the company won't (and they should not) commit to anything for the future they even give a example of a 3d vending machines and i doubt the H2D is a vending machine. You can have gut feelings all you want but thats the same gut feeling many had they would not release cheap spare parts....

[@Cdrop20]

They have set the stage to pull the rug out from under their customers that enjoy open source printing. It would be a completely different story if right from the beginning they started out closed source and disclosed that. Then the consumer can make a conscious choice to be a part of their eco system or not.

[@TheRcSaylors]

I don’t believe any of these “potential changes” will affect any existing printers. I could be wrong, but am 99.99% sure In not! This video will still be here when the dust settles. At the end of the day, all I’m really saying is just calm down a little and don’t take everything these fear mongering KZbinrs are saying so seriously.

[@Cdrop20]

My comment is simply that they have set the stage. Nothing has happened as of now but the changing of the terms and agreement to update your software. Time will tell. As for me, I postponed my order and I’m watching to see what happens next. I’m sure a lot of others who enjoy open source printing made the decision, not out of frearmongering KZbinrs, but by the actual facts of what their terms and agreement now say.

[@Yorkie-9668]

More baseless clickbait, 100% facts, I very much doubt Bambu Lab has come to a final conclusion of what their plans are, I know I can use rfid's with 3rd party filaments, there is no way to tell who's hot end I am using and I am able to turn off my Lidar, so there you go debunked in less than a minute, seriously if you want a 3D printer get a Creality, if you want to 3D print get a Bambu Lab

[@chunkbot]

I feel so much better about my RC hobby space whenever I see folks' workshops ;-)

[@trippin_ninja]

My man is sitting on a pile of planes! LOL! No judgement here, I'm a rc drifter and have too many body shells lying around so I know the feeling. Thank you for being a voice of reason on this topic.

[@wolfgangsd3083]

Thank you for this video. The mind will always Look for some story to hook us. For those of us older and remember the movie "War Games" with Matthew Broderick from the 80's, the computer found every choice was a no win solution and asked to play a game of Chess. There is a time to say something and a time to be quiet. We each Get to choose those times and what is best for ourselves and let others make their choices without using fear to control.

[@BashOnHobbies]

If you want to talk 3D printers I’d love to have someone to chat with and I think I may have some tips to help you, and you may have some to help me as well. Let me know!

[@Dataanti]

It's always a stepping stone, its an indication as to what direction the company is moving towards. It's best to jump ship now.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Since we’ve released this video, there are other channels of good size that have a similar mindset. Makes me happy to see less fear mongering, which is the actual point of this video! ❤️💯⚓️

[@frantzs1077]

I'm happy user of two Bambu Lab printers, but I think you are as wrong as fear mongering youtubers. There are enough information by now to know what is really going on. As per Practical Printing Fridays there will not be to much change for individual users like you and me. For print farms it is a diferent story. So if it doesn't effect me it doesn't mean nobody is effected. For some people it is a deal barker and I completely understand some people are canceling orders. Statements and gaslighting from Bambu Lab didn't help their situation.

[@dbent366]

restricting functionality of a product after purchase should be illegal. if you don't think any of the drone stuff is affecting your hobby flying then you are probably breaking the law. -10 credibility.

[@mikereliford55]

This applies to almost every product you own. Including the one you are watching KZbin on... Have you ever read the full EULA attached to any consumer electronics device/software. iOS, Android, MacOs, Windows, Xbox, Playstation etc etc... they all do this and I'm sure you don't think about it for 1 second of your day.

[@dbent366]

@@mikereliford55 I never said other companies don't do this. Of course they do. That's why it should be illegal. But you are wrong about some of what you said...my computer for example, functionality is 100% in my control I am free to put any software or OS I want. In fact, even my phone thanks to android open OS versions also is free from this limitation. So in those regards you are very wrong, the hardware is not reduced to a single software option. You need to rethink your example as it doesn't really apply the way you think it does. Your overall point stands as I agree there are some devices that manufacturers can cripple after purchase. However can you name one example of that happening?

[@mikereliford55]

@ If you choose to change your OS on any device you are likely forfeiting all warranties and potentially security. (Not saying OEM systems are guaranteed secure by any means though, but you are not going to be able to hold an open source project liable for anything nor are likely to get any official support most of the time) In the same vein you CAN run a different OS on your Bambu machine and be in the same situation. Sonos is a recent example that comes to mind, they changed the way pros can install the product when they did the big UX change that broke something like 25% of the systems out there. (They ended up giving pro installers a one time 25% coupon once they fixed the debacle 9 months later. Not that was their intent but “smart” products are ever changing and that comes with risk. My company does technology integration and we always warn our client to never update their software/firmware on integrated systems. Apple TV integration broke in most cases with a recent version of TVOS for example. 3rd party integration frequently breaks during these updates. “Nest” locked out 3rd party integration when acquired by Google due to security issues Google has over 3rd parties accessing their cloud servers. It eventually came back in newer Google branded hardware but that was a big one in our industry too.

[@slaunts9453]

Buddy there's no misinformation floating around. You're on the wrong team.

[@cedarcoombs8111]

People are saying that they are definitely going to add subscriptions or lock you into using only their filament, but thats super unlikely to happen.

[@LilApe]

@@cedarcoombs8111 Verge Q&A says otherwise. bambu was asked if they would ever force a paid subscription, or stop allowing 3rd party filaments, or force cloud usages..all they said was *"no, not for our current line of printers"* So that means they they are considering it for any new printer they release. And whose to says they don't change their mind and do it for their current printers. Bambu has lied many times before.

[@scb2scb2]

@@cedarcoombs8111 Bambu when asked several of these questions by the verge already committed to several of these questions for the current line up of printers...

[@Denniss7420]

@@cedarcoombs8111 Not likely to happen NOW that the community raised h3ll about it. Bambu had to backtrack and remove their original posts regarding the firmware update.

[@cedarcoombs8111]

@Denniss7420 people keep saying that along with clarifying, they changed what they said, but other than them removing their original post from the Wayback machine, no one actually gives anything they changed. It was unlikely either way. Plus, people STILL say both of those things are going to definitely happen. At the very least, either way, it has been extremely unlikely both before and after that they'd be locking the filament to just theirs because it's just too impractical. It only uses RFID with AMS and AMS-Lite, so they couldn't track which filament they are using if not using AMS. It would have issues to just try to keep track of how much filament it's used, but they don't have a good way to track it other wise, so they wouldn't know when someone used an entire spool even for AMS (filament runout detection wouldn't be good incase the filament just broke). There are also so many types of filament and different colors and types of materials like PLA, so they would be blocking people from using most colors and types.

[@tyrzxv]

In the terms of service, it says they Will disable your printer until it updates with latest firmware. Bambu might say don't worry about it, but their legal agreement specifically states otherwise, which shows their intentions towards subscription services. Burying your head in the sand on this one is not a smart idea, especially when Bambu is actively trying to hide things they said and done, changing blog histories and blocking internet archivers. They are not doing this for security reasons as they state, since its the most unsecure way to do it... it's all for control over the printer you bought.

[@On_The_Bench-c3po]

i Figured the door thing out as well lol..trying to print asa and abs ..i keep opening the door to check on prints but couldnt figure out y prints kept failing..turns out asa and abs are very sensative to tempature spikes..so everytime i opened the door the print cooled down and would warp mid print lol.. now i know lol..

[@TheRcSaylors]

I feel like I always learn things the hard way!! Maybe I’m not alone 😅👍💯😎⚓️

[@On_The_Bench-c3po]

@@TheRcSaylors Your not Alone Brother👍🤙

[@aaronsmith1961]

Why get on camera if you literally don't know anything...

[@urban1337]

I think you’re wrong on this one

[@growbro365]

dude thats a serious plane collection! subscribed ✅, also 3d printing is something i got into purely for my rc addiction and its amazing i can make/ design anything i need for my rc planes or any other rc i decide to build eclipson-planes and plane print are some great creators of planes if anyone wants to give them a go 👍

[@fluked1576]

I accidentally bought a chinese version of the A1 printer, and have not been able to get a replacement. The only way I can use the printer is through LAN-Only mode and I have to update firmware via the command line. I have access to every function a normal printer does. However, if cloud mode is forced, I will be unable to use my printer, due to not having a chinese bambu lab account. It is completely unreasonable region locking these devices.

[@mikereliford55]

We operate a small farm with 28 Bambu printers. First off, we don’t ever do firmware updates until the bugs have been sorted out. Secondly we are part of two separate communities that run automation software and those developers are in constant contact with Bambu directly to work out 3rd party interaction with Bambu machines. Bambu is actively working with companies to ensure that we will be able to continue to use their software with Bambu printers. Bambu is a 100% clickbait word just like Tesla. Almost everything you ever read will be sensationalized whether it’s true or not. Thank you for being a grounded reasonable person! 😎

[@ysesq]

good luck when bambu releases its monthly subscription print farm software. dont come crying to the community when that happens.

[@mikereliford55]

@@ysesq Do you think existing print farm software is free? Hint, it is not even close to free (We pay on average $200/mo). I'd be happy to pay Bambu for a fully integrated print farm solution (as would probably every other farm using Bambu printers) Please take some time to really look at what is going on especially if you think open source is something any business can rely upon. Wide open machines are HUGE liability for the manufacturer and that liability would be extended to any company that was trying to use that machine for production.

[@ysesq]

@ well right now you have the option to pay zero with open source print farm software. so idk why you pay $200/month. what makes you think the machine is wide open when it has a manual PIN code ?

[@mikereliford55]

@ Do you run a print farm? I would love to see that the $0/month software that works reliably with 30 printers and comes with support. Open source generally = zero support. As a business operator I don’t have time figure out an open source project. The PIN gives unrestricted access to the machine which is not secure. Both the devs for Simply Print and Autofarm are working directly with Bambu for a secure way to interact with the machines, Bambu is not trying to lock them out completely. I sure all other manufacture software/hardware devs are doing the same like Biqu for example.

[@ysesq]

@@mikereliford55 you dont have time to figure out a core part of your business workflow ? ok chief. well the PIN is going to continue -- its still going to be the primary security. bambu is revealing its own print farm software in china - pretty sure both of those will be locked out if they dont pay bambu monthly for access. orcaslicer already told bambu to get lost.

[@geezher]

Speaking out when a company changes the terms and conditions AFTER the sale isn't fear mongering FFS. It's letting them know that what they're doing is not ok and their customer base isn't going to just go along with it. Sitting back and relaxing is what got us here in the first place. "Letting it work itself out" is horrible advice... You really think it's going to "work itself out" in your favor? Or theirs?

[@LyftedDieSeL_Wv]

I appreciate this video, especially since we were just talking about it the other day because I’ve been looking at getting this printer so good information

[@pawelkomarnicki]

The problem is that Bambu Lab is a major player in the space so when they make moves to lock down the ecosystem others will follow. That's the real risk behind thos changes. I planned buying the P1S and I won't. I will rather buy other printer like Kobra S1 which basically is everything the same plus filament dryer in the ACE

[@TheRcSaylors]

I hear you, loud and clear! Hey, I’m not a fan of the idea of something being proprietary, but if it is Significantly better than the competition, and a free market exists, is that a bad thing? Look, when companies make horrible morale decisions (I won’t name them here) I make the choice to no longer support them. I’m not even talking about the 3D printer world here. That’s it, problem solved! What I don’t do is use my platform to spread false information and make others stressed out. That’s why I’m upset. I hope the overall message of our video is more clear now. 🙏💯❤️⚓️

[@aapettit]

There is a simpler solution to all of this. Let me send my stuff over my network to my printer directly. Let me use my network to monitor my prints. Bambu is bending over backwards to force me to use their servers, the only reason to do that is to limit and control my use. That's it, that's all! So why is Bambu going out of the way to do that? What's in it for them? The only "security" Bambu is worried about is securing future profits.

[@wutangclams9936]

Funny how the only people saying good things have an affiliate link (such as yourself) 😂

[@TheRcSaylors]

Anyone can sign up for affiliate programs. Anyone. Did you happen to notice other links in the description box too? Even ones that aren’t relevant to this topic at all? Why are you so hung up on the one link? Any time we feature a thing on our channel, if they offer an affiliate program, we sign up for it. Hello… Duh!! Wake up!! You’ve entirely missed the point of this video, 100% 🤪❤️💯⚓️

[@davidjones-gd7gq]

You're always honest about everything you do on your channel. You guys are the best that's why we watch you the guy across the river from you❤❤❤❤

[@n1978m]

if EVERYONE waits and lets the dust settle, the outcome will be much worse than the outcome if people speak up and out against things. There's a balance to be had!

[@xm41907]

One reason why I love your channel is your candor and unbiased level-headed opinions. Mainly on RCs but this latest divergence into videos on 3D printers. I absolutely agree with you on the Bambu issue. I'd say I'm much more into the 3D print realm than RCs and so many of my favorite channels are up in arms and they are just spreading fear and anger about the situation. I don't have a Bambu printer so I have no teeth in the game but I'm still tired of hearing all about it like their world is ending. They still have an amazing printer. They may just need to adjust their work flow. Or this may all be for nothing. Wait and see.

[@willbrown8928]

How are you gonna report without knowing all the facts...Bruh, y'all influencers are the worst, creating content just for clicks.

[@JohnRalsten]

Disappointed the video was titled to be about the firmware update (It's how I found the channel), but wasn't about the update at all. It was about the community and how people tend to overreact.

[@thomasneal7126]

I don't own a single 3d printer, but in my opinion, you are correct something needs to be said, and it should be Bambu. That is how they stop the majority of all the gossip and rumors.

[@peteradshead2383]

The word the TRUTH in these day is a little subjective let stick to facts . 1 / this not about security but control . 2 / The word misinformation means facts you don't like . 3 / If you use your X1C with bambu studio and use it to print little trinkets it probably will not affect you . 4 / rewriting history does not make it true .

[@mikereliford55]

Not about security LOL? Now that Bambu is the second largest consumer printer company on their way to number one do you know how much liability they are subject to with a million plus devices that can easily made to destroy themselves any potentially the environment they are in? With the machines the way they are currently (except the X with the newest firmware) basic software can be used to cause the machine to destroy itself mechanically or go into thermal runaway. Allowing whoever wants to do whatever they want to any given machine is not a secure platform no matter who makes it or what their intent is.

[@flyingfree387]

Thanks RcSaylors. Much wisdom shared in this video, which can be applied directly to life in general. Though i also hear others opinions about changing terms after sale and if true, that needs resolving. peace love light

[@TheRcSaylors]

IF!! I don’t think that will happen, but as stated in this video, Bambu will pay the price in significantly lower sales (most likely) if they would do something like that. Thanks for tuning in! 🙏👍💯❤️⚓️

[@flyingfree387]

@@TheRcSaylors Honestly, the wisdom you shared is far more important and valuable than any technology. Technology, not balanced with spiritual maturity, never pans out well. A little more wisdom. Love your channel. peace love light

[@rrittenhouse]

Bro just deletes my comments because he can't stand the truth. Clean up your moms basement man ;)