THE TRUTH ABOUT CHINA

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[@TheVaushPit]

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[@newworldbro]

based and dinopilled

[@TheRadicalDino]

For some reason, youtube won't allow me to post this in the main comment section so I guess I will post it here. Thank you for all the love and support from chatters and Vaush viewers. I hope you all enjoyed the conversation very much because I sure did. It is my pleasure and with my deepest appreciation that I am invited on this platform to provide some of my perspective on these China-related topics. Thank you so much Tempest, for putting ZHAOMING THE IRON DRAGON to represent me on the thumbnail; I love it. Again, a thousand thanks for all the love and support.

[@acylonepleidian9665]

NO way. I just mailed today about covering China, and I know and don't even hold lots of faith over you reading anything, and I'll go on a limb and say there's no shot you read my mail, but me writing and sending the comment/mail and just 3 hours ago you uploading this? Honey to the soul. I take 0 credit over my suggestion, as I have no confirmation of even having the comment, or mail read, add to that vods are uploaded at least 12 hours after a stream, further making the odds slimmer, but I can't quantify in words the gratitude and a James Webb Telescope capture of a supernova rarity of a coincidence between suggesting a cover over Chinese State apparatus, LET ALONE one in collaboration with exactly the kind of Chinese person I specifically aimed my idea of not being indoctrinated. It's just superb. Thank you, SO MUCH.

[@electron6825]

​@@TheRadicalDino700 subscribers. No videos. The people want content!

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

​@@TheRadicalDinoyou are a legend Dino, your information and perspective is incredibly valuable, and your charismatic approach was very entertaining. If you made your own content you could become a successful small/medium left-tuber if you desired, we would love more stuff like this from you.

[@TheRadicalDino]

Thank you for all the love and support from chatters and Vaush viewers. I hope you all enjoyed the conversation very much because I sure did. It is my pleasure and with my deepest appreciation that I am invited on this platform to provide some of my perspective on these China-related topics. Thank you so much Tempest, for putting ZHAOMING THE IRON DRAGON to represent me on the thumbnail; I love it. Again, a thousand thanks for all the love and support.

[@amefuraggamuffin]

This conversation was awesome to catch live! It's really upsetting that "The (Western) Left" in general hates Vaush so much, they bend over backwards to support tankies but wont listen to leftists with first-hand experience with experience of what's actually happening over there. I learned a lot from this convo and thanks for offering up your knowledge!

[@memeswithcringe1624]

This was an amazing convo, very informative. If you don’t mind me asking, what’s your view on the post-gamergate, 2016 era anti-sjw “女权版本T0”-esque rhetoric that’s almost omnipresent on Chinese social media?

[@soptop1641]

Dude I would love to see you livestream if that would be safe for you

[@samwiseshanti]

Nah man thanks to you. China is one of those things where I know I'm not getting a well-rounded perspective on it no matter where I look, but you just have to kind of accept it, because there's so little good stuff out there and not enough hours in the day. It happens a lot with foreign politics and also science and tech news- you know most of the coverage is going to be a) shallow to the point of useless b) very bias c) paid for by someone with a vested interest d) written and delivered by someone who doesn't actually understand the subject and/or e) clickbait and sensationalism. This chat felt like a good, 3 hour chat about science with a really good professor who understands their field very well, but realises where the general public are, and can talk while neither overwhelming nor patronising us. Thanks a lot for the insight!

[@davloe]

@TheRadicalDino I followed you just in case you will put out informational content about China in the future. I'd listen to you even with a face mask and a distorted voice if you worry about your family's well-being when they go to China the next time! Really, man, this conversation was absolutely amazing! I'd love you to become a (faceless?) figure of a Chinese left that's being silenced by the CCP in China and rejected by the western left way too much!❤️

[@mitskiluvr420]

a man with TWO trans girlfriends, a supportive father, voice acting skills, and based politics… i need him

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

Dude is an absolute chad.

[@neruneri]

The Most Interesting Man In The World, except real

[@Fat_moose_420]

I thought he only had one gf and conure was his roomate

[@staff4226]

I want to be the third

[@phelan8385]

"She survived famine and refuses to eat Panda Express" 😂😂

[@reincarnatedwolfgod]

based

[@Chinesetakeout382]

What a giga-Stacy

[@ShukakuTheCrazy1]

I will eat their noodles and orange chicken until I die of a heart attack induced by all the sodium

[@vladrevenko6485]

@@ShukakuTheCrazy1 It's been 9 hours, do you still alive?

[@ShukakuTheCrazy1]

@@vladrevenko6485 yep

[@swagmund_freud6669]

As A white guy who grew up in a largely Chinese neighborhood: Chinese people love to do the racist Chinese accent to each other as a joke.

[@dahkdm8787]

I know white people love to do the exaggerated early Dave Chappelle "white voice" to each other for fun too

[@amalgamfrostpink5030]

It's true with whities and the hick accent and Mexicans with the taco shit. We like making fun of ourselves it seems as a rule.

[@shabbaranks7968]

Do it

[@jevinliu4658]

I can attest to that lmao

[@insane_troll]

Got to love the beginning of the video, Vaush had no idea what was going on. "Are you Chinese?!?" "They're going to call me racist!" "Is this a soundboard???"

[@GantaaOhime]

This guy is so full hearted dorky, he is exactly who you want at a game table

[@Unshackled.Dreamer]

Bro, I understand why this guy has two girlfriends. He's so cute in his personality and way he talks lol

[@moustachio05]

​@@Unshackled.Dreamerreally? Lol

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

@@moustachio05 Yes really, lol

[@neruneri]

@@Unshackled.Dreamer for real though, his charisma is off the charts

[@neruneri]

low-key, it doesn't even matter if he has good looks or not, his personality is magnetic and his enthusiasm is infectious

[@burritochin]

THANK YOU for having this conversation -- I am chinese american and I have NEVER met an ethnically chinese leftist defend the CCP the way tankies do. There is so much nuance in china's place in the global hierarchy, chinese history, and cultural barriers that makes it difficult to talk about chinese progressive issues in the west, and you really got the perfect person to talk about all of this.

[@Cryosxify]

​@@JohnDoe-qt6wgis that you Jim Bob Smith?

[@danzoom]

​@@JohnDoe-qt6wg ok mr alpha male

[@WooT885]

@@JohnDoe-qt6wg "“I am Chinese-American” - Jim Bob Smith from Nebraska" says the guy calling himself JohnDoe-qt6wg. definitely a real guy right here

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

I've met plenty. Most Chinese abroad like the CPC. I know tons of them btw. Some are even in my family (through marriage) Even a lot of people from Hong Kong. They all prefer the CPC.

[@ryansilva1274]

My wife is Chinese, both parents are party members, she and I both quite defensive of how much good the party has done for China.

[@JC-xp1dz]

As someone from HK, its refreshing to listen to an actual chinese leftist talking about these topics. Even among the HK protesters, its rare to have someone who is driven by principles rather than reflexively hating on China in the same way that Hasan hates on US. Please bring this guy on at least every year

[@user-uu2cj9ct3j]

My feeling exactly. This was a very refreshing convo, and really great to see Vaush giving this platform to talk about Chinese issues in a nuanced manner.

[@regortex3364]

Great guest, I'm not buying the climate alarmism though, lost some points there but otherwise good conversation.

[@tcaprecap1448]

​@@regortex3364 Lol, nobody is trying to make you "buy" anything. Antarctic ice coverage just hit a record low for least amount of ice coverage ever documented, and it's currently WINTER in the southern hemisphere, when ice levels should be at their highest. That's simply a fact. Climate Change isn't a product of capitalism being sold to you, it's already a reality for most of the world. Westerners, especially those living in nations which historically benefitted the most from fossil fuels, are usually the only people stupid or egotistical enough to think they can "not buy" reality.

[@Syzygy_Bliss]

You should put segments of this on the main channel. Gotta promote your best guests more than just going on the pit.

[@wile123456]

We need to start a riot against the edditors

[@nickfinan6031]

@@wile123456what did they do?

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

Yes!

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

@@wile123456 First the subreddit and then the site chat.

[@Paul.......]

​@wile123456 why?

[@isaachaley2112]

As a black man, I can confirm we are trying to take over Canton.

[@YokaiX]

Ah yes, The ProtocoIs of the EIders of Africa conspiracy to establish the global New World Order of the African OccupationaI Government, right?

[@ctnke]

BASED. I welcome our new black overlords in canton

[@fredleung616]

Based

[@MionLeviet]

Thank you for your service.

[@FoxhoundIbby]

Critical support. I'm packing my bags and flying over immediately.

[@hiderrsupbrah23]

Dinoman honestly might be the best guest you've had on, he was so charismatic and so informative, would love to see more of this guy on your channel

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

He's got alot of potential, he'd do amazingly if he made content

[@testmangadget1424]

Agree 100%

[@xiuxiu1108]

Agree, he's extremely well-spoken and charismatic

[@calebelliott2629]

This will surely negatively affect Vaush’s social credit score.

[@mnessenche]

who cares, Vowsh man has already minus infinity XD

[@thrandompug2254]

I'd be surprised if Vaush is allowed to enter China without some sort of very close monitoring

[@dejectedfrogcat2840]

As Vaush's social credit accountant. I'm sending my resignation letter next week.

[@void-creature]

And the trout population, don't forget about the trout population

[@sookendestroy1]

Tieneman square moment

[@soptop1641]

I love this guy so much. He's inspired me to look more into Chinese culture and history and what a beautiful thing it is to realise how depressingly similar we all are

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

Why is that depressing that we’re all very similar?

[@soptop1641]

@@BlueTyphoon2017 you hope that other people have solutions to problems we have I think but in a way it just goes to show how connected we are

[@sookendestroy1]

I had this realization a while back when talking to a Pakistani friend who was describing conflicts in their culture regarding interpreting the Quoran and it basically ended up with. This just sounds like conservative evangelicals and liberals/leftists in the west just with titles changed

[@SS-yj2le]

It is for all people really. Look into Indian, Arab, Japanese, Russian, Congolese, Ethiopian, and others and you will find basically no real intrinsic differences.

[@shabbaranks7968]

Stop looking towards eastern folk for solutions. Westerners have used us enough for their own personal gain

[@Subsandsoda]

Petition to rename this channel to The Dinoman Pit

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

I will gladly sign.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Seconded.

[@Chinesetakeout382]

Give him the subreddit too, R/DinomanD

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

These two have such great chemistry, I really hope Dinoman joining the stream becomes a regular thing.

[@underplague6344]

I love how one of the worst vaush debates and one of the best convos happened in the same stream lmao.

[@Linkard]

Was this the same stream as the insane chaterbate debater?

[@krishacz]

i wasnt there for the stream, which of the two recent awful debates he had was it?

[@Sanguicat]

@@Linkard it was

[@underplague6344]

@@krishacz drunk chaturbate woman

[@ajemma78]

I got whiplash from the stream that day. Good times.

[@1draigon]

he is SO over the top i love him.. from his laugh, to his imitations, its perfect

[@grawlixes]

yeah, this guy rules

[@TheKiroshi]

I was convinced he was faking it, the accent and everything, but he never dropped the consistency so clearly im wrong. Obviously hes acting it up a bit, but he is pretty funny and interesting. This guy is a total catch, i bet.

[@1draigon]

@@TheKiroshi for his amazing trans girlfriendS? xD

[@TheGodsMustBeCrazy]

He sounds like Genji from Overwatch and that's not a bad thing, even though Genji is Japanese. The over the top joy I find very similar and fun

[@jimitaco1303]

Vaush reacted to Dinoman's intro like it was a Nick Mullen bit live on his stream. His whole career was flashing before his eyes.

[@CH4R10T_TV]

That's such a good comparison lol

[@LastStand2010]

Now there's a crossover I'd love to see.

[@salamantics]

@@CH4R10T_TV Chariot!!!!! hope you're well

[@jhemilae]

"I can do traditional chinese story telling of the entirety of Journey to the West. 8 hours non stop. This is how I got my girl friend" Here Is a Man of Focus, Commitment and Sheer Fucking Will.

[@daltongarrett3393]

“Me and the bad bitch I pulled by being autistic”

[@YokaiX]

​@@daltongarrett3393"Discussing politics and philosophy with the hot stripper who grinded on me for free" levels of "Alpha Sigma-ness"

[@jamaalfridge]

Thanks for having him on. I'm a black man who has lived in China, and when I listen to leftists talking about Russia or China, they invariably seem to take their side, as if just because the leader calls themselves socialist or communist, that they 1) are, 2) care about the welfare of the people, and 3) are fighting powerful forces that conspire to keep their country and people down. It's always "America bad" with them, and it's why I can't take leftists seriously on foreign policy. It's a shame because I don't buy into the conservative outlook on the world, but at least they're doing a deeper dive on the subject. One quick rule of thumb: no matter what a country or leader calls themselves, if they are accountable to a small group of essential supporters, they are authoritarians. If they're accountable to a large group of essential supporters, they are democrats. It's the reason you'd rather live in the United Kingdom instead of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

[@SefirothPH]

The American president is elected by 538 individuals. Xi was elected by many more people than that. Try again.

[@niluscvp]

This debate/dicussion should be on the main channel, very insightful.

[@Reel___]

Facts! Completely agree

[@dynamicworlds1]

Main channel vs 2nd channel is entirely about appeasing the algorithm, not about how insightful the content is. Length alone means it was going to end up here.

[@morisan42]

@@dynamicworlds1 they should get clips of this and put it on main

[@niluscvp]

@@morisan42 I like this idea! maybe a compilation about whats happening in Chinees politics and media since thats a big blindspot for most people in western countries.

[@MisterRorschach90]

This is the kind of person gamers dream about having in their party. Just oozing with charisma.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Oh man, true. I once partied up with these very boisterous Australians in Destiny. One of the most entertaining raids I ever did.

[@Chinesetakeout382]

He’s the type to jump on a tf2 match, play heavy, and rally the squad to victory.

[@commandercorl1544]

Oozing with so much rizz he has two girlfriends.

[@RazorFringe2]

Dinoman! Surging forward, with energy and vibrancy!!!- bringing light and truth to the working class!

[@dejectedfrogcat2840]

Even when he's not doing a voice, he's still doing a voice.

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

to be fair, if you get the right audience, everyone is doing a voice

[@gilberthamilton9312]

@@GrayYeonWannabe It's true. Many people are only capable of speaking with their mouth voice. It takes a talented kind of dummy thicc to communicate through interpretive dance and morse code.

[@strega0]

it's called having an accent

[@oldghettoway7500]

As a Chinese person, thank you for covering this and giving more context of Chinese Culture to western viewers.

[@ploykickshaw9842]

。。。虽然他说轮子和极右媒体有多傻逼，但他这里面misinformation也不少。唯一好的算是，至少把简中键政的主要议题讨论到了

[@Westlander857]

My litmus test for any country’s government is if they allow dissent, political opposition, free speech, protests, and a free press. If the answer to even one of those is no, then I don’t want it and I don’t support it. Take note, tankies.

[@joshuacampbell1625]

Agreed, without these things a country can't be democratic, and if it's not democratic it can't be socialist.

[@gustavchambert7072]

Wow, wow, wow, slow down there buddy! You are putting a lot of very unfair expectations on the tankies, expecting them to be literate like that.

[@britbongtankie]

I do not support "free speech" for those who are proven to be funded by foreign capitalists

[@derrindouglas1936]

but you'll support the following: killing muslims kids, destroying any country that disagrees with usa elite goals, and arresting any whistleblowers who s=expose warcrimes or usa surveillance systems

[@karl-erikvik3400]

​@gustavchambert7072 'if those kids could read they'd be very upset"

[@kayakat1869]

I had a friend in college from Shenzhen, China, and he was really really nice and accepting. It was sad because we had to tell him about the Uigher genocide. At first he denied it, but we were able to explain things. He went back to Shenzhen, and I really hope he's doing well.

[@hughmungus2760]

to chinese people when you talk about 'genocide' they think death camps and mass graves. The whole 'cultural genocide' thing doesn't really compute.

[@sacrilegioussasquatch]

@@hughmungus2760 this is a genocide that's definitely going that direction. I'm sure people are dying in those camps and they're being sterilized. It's literal nazi germany

[@anthonyrowland9072]

@@hughmungus2760 well, we hope it was only cultural...

[@jordanchen23]

​@@anthonyrowland9072narrator: it wasn't.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@anthonyrowland9072 if it wasn't there'd be ALOT more noise about out.

[@RealmRabbit]

The Opium Wars didn't just impact China, you also had the Japanese who had spent a ton of time preparing their defenses against a possible attack from China which to them seemed like a pretty powerful neighbor... And then suddenly these Europeans show up and thoroughly trash China... Japan was looking at what happened and was like "Shit, we kinda need to prepare ourselves to prevent that from happening to us!" and then like a decade later America shows up and is like "Hey Japan, work with us and we can help you industrialize and stuff, or else you're about to end up like China..." and Japan was like "Holy shiiiiit! Okay! We wanna industrialize!"

[@gemh89]

Except Japan was industrialised by a Scottish guy, there are a fewJapan Times articles about him

[@Captain_Chair]

Japan wasn't industrialised by one guy. It was quite a regionalised process with different areas working with different western industrialists, hence the electric grid being split between 50hz and 60hz.

[@gemh89]

@n00bster101 Search the Japan Times article The Scot who built Japan. You underestimate the might of the industrial Scots.

[@gemh89]

Of course he didn't do it on its own, that would be ridiculous, but he definitely cracked the egg of that omelette

[@gemh89]

If you'd said, the Industrial west waded in or something I'd have said nothing but you did the usual and claimed it for America and for better ir worse, thats not exactly true

[@emilchan5379]

This was easily one of the best guests and convos Vaush has had in a long while. Some snippets should be on the main channel at least, algorithm be damned. In any case as someone from Southeast Asia, I can't describe how glad I am that Dino came on to talk. It is absolutely infuriating how American tankies and MLs would ignore the experiences of Chinese leftists, or just Asian leftists in general, to push their own narrative. There is so much to learn about China that never gets seen overseas due to the language barrier and the Great Firewall. On a side note, I am not surprised about Liu Cixin's politics, since I remember seeing some elements of it in The Three Body Problem. A pity though because he is a very good sci-fi writer. Hope to see Vaush and Dino talk again in future.

[@aaronmarks9366]

This was indisputably the best guest Vaush has had on all year. So many interesting insights into China, and such a fun, likeable person. Hope we'll be seeing a lot more of him.

[@dacios6776]

Absolute crime that you didn't post this on the main channel

[@uninstaller2860]

Why is that?

[@tylertaylor5490]

​@@uninstaller2860because dinoman is fuckin based

[@quanganhvu6791]

​@@uninstaller2860good convos like this deserve wide audience

[@wplants9793]

Same person posts on both accounts? How?

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

It's nothing personal, it's the algorithm... Apparently long videos get dragged down in the searches or something. Sucks, but it's KZbin shenanigans.

[@Yormolch]

I love this guys energy. He sounds like he puts his heart behind what he says, also he has a very nuanced view on broader politics, which is always a delight.

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

Dude I want Hasan to hear this just so he can say "BUT WHAT ABOUT AMERICA BAD???"

[@steve94183]

I'm sure the king of the tankies will have a lot of opinions.

[@orcho141]

​@stevebeshel9418 he's not really a tankie, just awful at foreign policy

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

@@orcho141 yeah but since he likes to walk and talk like a tankie, he can catch that smoke too

[@fachriranu1041]

​@@orcho141he walk on very thin line dude.... His foreign policy position is Tankies 99 percent.

[@AG-ni8jm]

Hasan's Whataboustism powers rival even the most disciplined of Trumpkins

[@CrimsonOptics]

This guy and the indigenous activist are probably my favorite non debate style guests. They're so informative and unfortunately most people who hate Vaush never watch these either.

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

Might learn Mandarin just because of Dino, I'm genuinely so charmed. I wish him the bestest of the best.

[@user-uu2cj9ct3j]

Please do! From this conversation I feel a bit inspired to take up translation again. I haven’t done so in years.

[@LilPinkFuzzyMonster]

This was such an awesome conversation. We need Dinoman on again; his charisma is off the charts

[@pnkwds]

This is one of the best conversation Vaush has had, it's nice when it's just chill & informative and not a debate with a braindead individual.

[@testmangadget1424]

this

[@donovan5656]

This was a good interview. I’m an Afro westerner leftist who lived in China and saw how deeply flawed it was, but it’s hard to find critical leftist discussion on the issue.

[@svetimfm]

Can you think of why? %)

[@sixstar2067]

This kind of content is why I subscribe. Thank you Vaush for platforming voices we get so little exposure to in the US.

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

Hell yeah

[@Hawkwood96]

I really enjoyed this conversation. I studied some Chinese history in college, and I think the community would really benefit from a couple of Chinese research streams. The Opium Wars, party politics, China on the global scale, etc.

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Matt Christman has some great lectures on the Taiping heavenly kingdom.

[@user-uu2cj9ct3j]

I agree, but preferably with an expert who knows the local language to help make sure the sources are good and well-translated.

[@Hawkwood96]

@@user-uu2cj9ct3j I wish I could remember what it was called, but there was this book written and self-translated by a Chinese official during the opium wars that had to do with his experiences traveling between several different cities. Really harrowing how he described how ravaged the Chinese public was by opium.

[@SefirothPH]

Learning about Chinese history and material conditions would lead one to become a tankie, so Vaush would never allow his audience to learn such things from him

[@Thedemotivator]

This conversation was fantastic. So much talk of China in the west with no human face put to it. Great to hear a Chinese person’s actual perspective.

[@abfg616]

Dinoman deserves a main channel presence

[@jakobc.2558]

This guy is such a fountain of information about chinese domestic politics, it's actualy incredible. My knowledge about current day china has expanded like 10 fold by watching this. This video is a must watch for leftists.

[@samwiseshanti]

I am enjoying this conversation sooooo much more than i expected to after the first 2 minutes 😂

[@TheOrene]

I love how weary and on edge vaush was when they first started talking XD now he fucking loves him

[@MarkArandjus]

I remember this guy from the reddit discord Q&A he left quite an impression and was hoping he'd be featured again, got my wish :D

[@davitdavid7165]

I was wondering if you can talk to nfkrz about Russia too. Since he already fled russia and js openly cirircising the regime on his channel i feel like there would be no greater risk

[@hayleyxyz]

I doubt he will.. nfkrz generally doesn't want his channel to be overly political (he is on the left tho) he mostly just wants to make vlogs about his travels. The war kinda forced him to move to more political topics, but even then he's very cautious. I don't see him doing anything with an explicitly political content creator anytime soon.

[@davitdavid7165]

@@hayleyxyz idk, he talks about Russian corruption quite a lot, I remember he has a video about why he left the right ecs. I think it would be worth it if he asked about it.

[@diddoinarow8846]

@@davitdavid7165 I remember that in one of his past videos he mentioned watching Vaush to learn more about leftism

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@diddoinarow8846 Yeah, he did.

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@hayleyxyz Roman's videos are pretty political in my opinion, considering how often he talks about what's going on in Russia and recently China as well. That and he often reaffirms that he is left-leaning.

[@Linkard]

This dude is awesome. This is by far my favorite Vaush conversation in years!

[@grawlixes]

Right?! I learned a lot, there were laughs, and just a generally feeling of camaraderie. Sign me up for more!

[@Dodovacer]

Sad, I missed the stream. I study Chinese history (more the earlier stuff) and it was such a good change to hear an actual Chinese person talk with you about this issue. Thank you. (Especially the contextualization about Chinese in USA and the issues with political allignment after 20 Minutes! Important to understand for context for the general conversation) For context in 29:45: New Tang TV is the channel of FLG.

[@hughmungus2760]

the whole FLG thing is a massive blindspot for the west for decades, alot of the most insane things you hear about china come from these people. next time you hear rumors about stuff like 'mobile execution vans' or 'three gorges dam collapsing' do your due diligence and find out where the source is coming from, because 90% of the time its these guys.

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

Nice to have a fellow zoology enthusiast on stream! :) Edit: My aunt and her family adopted a girl from China in the early 2000s, and now she's doing incredibly well for herself in the UK. It's tragic that so many other brilliant people who could have been just as capable didn't get that chance, and it's something so incredibly disturbing to think about as to how shit so many of our systems are around the world. This whole conversation with Dinoman was absolutely incredible and insightful, but also very humorous too. Would love to see him on more from time to time!

[@Sanguicat]

woah omg! i watch ur videos, they're great! nice to know you watch vaush as well ;)

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

@@Sanguicat Oh awesome! Thank you so much! It's been a blast to see so many like-minded people here. :) I've been watching Vaush and his content since early 2021, if I remember correctly.

[@christianmccauley7340]

This guy is so rad. I remember when he called into that debate gauntlet I think, he was my favorite. So glad he got on like he wanted, will be subbing to his KZbin

[@hazeey4189]

damn he has a great voice. like i seriously think he should try voice acting

[@grawlixes]

yeah, he's super charismatic on top of being great at relaying information. I'm an instant fan.

[@Bradieboi97]

I agree but that emoji looks fucked up wtf

[@hazeey4189]

@@Bradieboi97 lmaoooo just picked the first heart i saw tbh

[@whooll]

This is excellent Edit: seriously I'm so glad this actually went on as long as it did. I hope Vaush brings him back on

[@oddjam]

It's phenomenal. I wish I saw it live.

[@whooll]

@@oddjam same.

[@CynicalBastard]

I love to see when someone OF the ethnicity being stereotyped does the stereotype as a JOKE: it's like things coming around full circle, and I think it can take the power AWAY from those appropriating it, of course, inappropriately, and keeps it with those who are being stereotyped to begin with. Politics and jokes and race all coalesce, here. [...]

[@melasonos6132]

This was fantastic. Seriously great job platforming such an underrepresented position.

[@sixtentamleht8153]

hasan is crying in his Tiananmen square tank while watching this video with his bro xi

[@Canadish]

Dinoman is based. Thr dynamic with Vaush is great, these guys need to do this on the regular.

[@jakfosarn9257]

I want this to be a podcast. Seriously, their dynamic is incredible. Probably won't happen tho

[@appa609]

There's two reasons Chinese media hasn't blown up in the West like Japanese and South Korean. 1. Chinese media tends not to pander to Western tastes because China is much less Americanized than SK or Japan and takes pride in that 2. The average American has a low opinion of Chinese goods partly from decades of cheap manufacturing. The other part is that Americans are much more politically comfortable being really into Japanese or Korean culture because they're US bases and China is our chief adversary.

[@naufalnasiri6219]

Vowsh you NEED to invite him again to do an 8 hours exhaustive storytelling of the Romance of 3 Kingdoms

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

I really hope this guy starts uploading content onto his channel, we need to know more about China.

[@bill_and_amanda]

This is truly powerful content, i like debates but would love more of these more collegial, educational conversations

[@vassinarain]

“They drove them to extinction with… shotguns!” Nah this guy is too funny

[@MrKaftpaket]

Damn this conversation was absolutely amazing, both informative and fun!

[@OuterRimPride]

What a beautiful voice, I love this guy so far

[@jeanbinet5106]

Vaush, that's no way to talk back to the Iron Dragon

[@djalexander968]

ive felt like china is just a blackbox of information, so glad to hear a first person perspective, just seeing the hong kong riots still doesnt really tell you nearly enough about the problems going on there, but it tells you theres problems

[@paulwarner2599]

This is the kind of conversations Vaush does I enjoy the most. Like the russian state media guy, Ana, or others. Bravo.

[@Andrew-bz4yo]

i love this conversation. Dino is so fun to listen to, please have him on more often!

[@eanna3781]

Ngl these kinds of Vids are my Favourite from Vaush because It's just nice seeing him get along with someone and have a Genuine Intellectual Exploration of a topic.

[@jennanyx4968]

This was a really great interview, thanks for doing this.

[@adammiller9029]

Having studied east asian history for a year in college... this is refreshing to see this perspective as well as talking about the historic back drop about why china is the way it is. For example, his grandmother being saved Mao... Not many americans realize Mao rose to power with such great speed, because people could see first hand a war hero saving them. Likewise, american history classes also don't teach about the manchurian incident or oppium wars which helps to explain why china has the views they do. As vaush eludes, china has been given numerous reasons to distrust outsides and more than enough reason to want to cling to power. Where as the typical american understanding of china is "Oh that developing country thats communist, and maybe they do some not-so-nice things, but hey, iphone!" It paints a more full picture, which you seldom see in a current events discussion.

[@mutemath2334]

I need this guy to post his 8hr Chinese lore dump somewhere. I would single handedly be responsible for hundreds of full views.

[@q-tip9962]

This entire chat has reaffirmed what I have thought about the Chinese *GOVERNMENT* but has helped open up my mind more to the life and struggles mainland Chinese people deal with daily. Like that anecdote that Dino gave about the fisherman waiting on the other side of the island to catch all those released fish, I would have before assumed that the fisherman just didn't care, and while that is partially the case, it is more so that they are ignorant of the situation and the problems that their actions cause because the CCP can't let anything that would lead to criticism of the party or the actions of National leaders. I am still disgusted with these actions that hurt ecology, and its another thing I need to check myself on whenever I notice I make a quick assumption about China, or Chinese People as a whole. I legitimately thought most Chinese citizens were complicit to the CCP and lefties there were just tankies that praised Mao. It makes me sad to the reality of the situation, disappointed at how narrow my thinking was, and wish there was more that I could do to help besides praying that everything turns out alright in the end.

[@SefirothPH]

That's interesting. When you believed that most Chinese citizens were complicit to the CPC, did you also believe that Americans are complicit to their government?

[@salamantics]

@@SefirothPHIf this is supposed to be a gotcha it's a waste. this person learned and grew, that's what we want. hell, that's the best thing that could come out of this chat. If they didn't think that americans were complicit, so what? Does anything that would come out of that trump OP's original point? If this was just curiosity and i've misread my apologies, I just don't see the need to be pedantic.

[@SefirothPH]

@@salamantics This person didn't learn or grow lmao. They shifted from western chauvinist racist that hates all Chinese people to western chauvinist racist that hates 95% of Chinese people. Wahoo

[@youngimperialistmkii]

This is a great convo.

[@weniswarrior666]

I’ve never seen Vaush silently listen for so long before

[@Potatotenkopf]

Bro sat his white ass down and LISTENED.

[@Sanguicat]

dino is amazing, i hope we get to see more of him!

[@electron6825]

DinoMan does what a dino man can!

[@William-Morey-Baker]

credit scores are not purely economic... apartments check your credit before letting you rent, and some jobs check credit scores before hiring... its dystopian as fuck

[@zakethekid1333]

It's economic in the sense that you aren't going to lose credit based on being of a different political view, or having been out of the country.

[@kylegonewild]

@@zakethekid1333 Yeah my insurance rates don't go up because I laughed at a meme depicting Xi as a a cartoon bear and my social media ratted on me to my assigned NSA Agent equivalent in China.

[@William-Morey-Baker]

​@@zakethekid1333no, dude, the jobs literally say they are using your credit score in order to judge your CHARACTER... its a social score at this point

[@zakethekid1333]

@@William-Morey-Baker using purely economic metrics to do so.

[@zakethekid1333]

@@William-Morey-Baker the score which is based on purely economic variables.

[@kaliver517]

Dope guest, Vaush. One of the few long conversations where I was listening closely the entire time.

[@n8orious699]

I loved every second of this when I watched it on stream. Please have him on again!!!!

[@hawkind272]

Fantastic convo, enjoyed every minute of it 🤩

[@copycat-copycat]

LOL, vaush his intro had you sweating so bad

[@TKUltra971]

informative, so much of this information was out there if you know where to look.

[@Konfizry]

rare to hear such persepctives indeed. loved how excited he was to tell vaush about fish

[@Turquerina]

Although I already watched the second part near the end, I'm glad that I watched the rest and it helped contextualizes everything for me. Everything you guys discussed pretty much aligned with how I perceive China and I really enjoyed the conversation!

[@thejackal007]

Dinoman is a legend. Please have him back on again for story time!

[@luce6764]

I watched this much much later but I agree with a lot of the points this cool guy made in China. I lived there for 20 years basically my entire childhood, pretty sheltered so I learned some new stuff in this video but this definitely also helped me organized my brain too of my life there and my experiences. Oh and I’m trans too and i actually started HRT in China, the doctor was really kind he was so busy so I would usually have to wake up at like 5AM and wait hours and hours usually hungry (because blood tests) in front of the office. He has a lot of patients sadly cuz it seems it’s just really hard to find doctors for this kind of stuff. Also the medical bills was cheap (at least compared to like.. privatized places) cuz it’s a government made hospital (so one of the numbered ones cuz they’re all just numbers??? for some reason???)

[@TheRadicalDino]

Wow consider yourself very lucky then! And I truly congratulate you for your journey! And yes we often use numbers to label hospitals lol like 大一院 or 四院。Same thing with public schools too actually!

[@luce6764]

@@TheRadicalDino Yeah I left cuz of more personal reasons with my family but because I’m very lucky my family are supportive and I can afford transitioning in another country even if it’s more uh expensive cuz it’s privatized. I’m mostly now just fighting legal battles (in my home country) to not be forced into a sterilization surgery for a legal gender change. also didn’t think you’d be still looking at the comments 😂 also it was easy cuz i had years of therapy before and my therapist who is a ADHD specialist lied and said I had talked to him about gender dysphoria so he could get me accepted for treatment.

[@paulwarner2599]

Absolutely fantastic. I loved this convo.

[@rainbowkrampus]

DinoMan deserves main channel.

[@bradleyhamilton2459]

This guy is so fuckin great, I cannot wait for his channel, every video is gonna be like 4 hours and it'll be part of a VA resume in his future.

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

I was on the fence about this Mao guy but finding out HE was the one that drove the elves to the west has really soured my opinion of him.

[@Galli45A]

This is main channel worthy i think. This may help shut some tankies up given how often they will literally talk over chinese lefties by quoting official CCP bullshit as if the chinese people is a hive mind speaking through them.

[@THEE_Kisywisy]

This was a wonderful stream!! Love the radical dino!!

[@dkirk9786]

I sometimes skip around these 2+ hour conversations but this convo was so endearing and fascinating i listened to ever second of it. Love to have him back on 🙌

[@jingbot1071]

This was fascinating and I want more of these discussions on the left and more collabs between these two.

[@gabe_owner]

Multinational leftist discussions are probably what we all need to be engaging in, to keep blind spots from forming.

[@jameslazarou6764]

Unbelievably informative. I didn't know just how little I knew about China. I always thought the representation of East Asian culture seemed uniquely insensitive and it always brushed me the wrong way, but I'm glad to hear it pointed out explicitly. Thanks to vaush for having him on and thanks to him for being on.

[@petre1758]

Great loving relationship with their father seems to be a common trait among non-tankie leftists. Curious.

[@emilchan5379]

Tankies are similar to rightwing conservaties are similar in that both have father issues.

[@oddjam]

The beginning of this video absolutely wrecked me. This guy is a legend.

[@cardboard2night]

You need more of these. There's wast misconceptions about todays "socialist" and post-soviet countries among socialist-left in particular, so would be nice to hear from people from other than USA, Canada ect countries to hear their perspective. People like Anna (Ukraine), AdamSomething (he's from Hungary, but still has a good perspective on subject) and others... Would you talk with NFKRZ, who's from Russia, for example?

[@ScarletAquaCrimson15]

1. Radical Dino is great, I hope he comes on stream more often. 2. I had no idea of China's history before this. I'm shocked that there's a billion Chinese people after it seems like every decade millions were either starved or died in a war. Very resilient people.