The Truth about Forced Respect

[@Pumbear]

I identify as your father so I'll expect you to call me daddy. I'm actually also a trans-ethnic black man so it'd be best if you'd call me daddy cool.

[@cathmarieantoinette]

I will call you 'daddy cool' but you have to call me 'Rasputin', because I'm a trans-Russian trans-man.

[@ibabuvu]

I wish I could fly, had superpowers, and people looked up to me. I guess I will identify as an Apache Helicopter. Which bathroom should I use??

[@allensmith471]

Wait if you're my father and a trans-ethnic black man... How can I call you daddy since you're never coming home?

[@clapyourhandsnotcheeks]

Unknown Factor OMG YES I LOVE YOU...MOMMY? can i call you that holy shit i spit out my strawberry bleach when i read that lol

[@therealheadshotguy]

Unknown Factor because he was trans-ethnic from white to black...the other way around is what you're looking

[@Vikingwerk]

People confuse courtesy with respect. Everyone deserves courtesy, respect is earned.

[@garethaustin3137]

Well said - you've just summed up in a few words a principle that I have for some time known but struggled to articulate. Thank you.

[@CombiHarvester-mo4jh]

I know, someone told me that I just "didn't understand" when I told them exactly this. She then brought her cronies to join the argument : (

[@shiningdawn8578]

I provide respect to nearly every person I encounter. I am, by nature, a very respectful person. What I've learned over the years is to modulate that respect based upon what each person "earns". After the initial phase of respecting someone has happened, I pay attention to what they do with that energy I've shared with them. If they shit all over it, well... no more respect for them. If they mirror it back, or move it forward, then I give more respect and see where it goes. I don't have any time or space for people who are unable/unwilling to respect me back. When they're that rude, I just start to show them who they truly are inside. They deserve it.

[@vincentdsouza8711]

Every adult while arguing with a teen or young adult. Every single one. As long as they are winning an argument against you, everything is fine. The moment you start making sense, and speaking the harsh truths, they start saying things like "You should respect your elders", "You have no manners", "Your generation doesn't know to respect elders" blah blah blah. Your message is 💯💯accurate

[@IronFreakV]

This.

[@lwfabsman]

Respect earned by force is called fear.

[@SaundersYT]

lwfabsman and its the most secure form of respect

[@rektzr]

Jae Ryu Interesting... really makes me wonder why americas nukes are made of plutonium and not a summary of all their extraordinary achivements

[@holyheathen435]

fear is no form of respect, it's just fear.

[@BigMuskachini]

What happens when those that respect you out of fear no longer fear you?

[@283518]

This is Islam

[@peristalticreaction]

The student is confusing respect with politeness. People may be polite to each other by using their requested pronouns. Respect is earned like Jordan said.

[@Sanguiluna]

And even if it's earned, it doesn't mean one is entitled to it. Even if a hero risks his life to save someone, that person is still not obligated to respect his savior (although I certainly will personally judge him hard for his ingratitude).

[@jamesmcinnis208]

@@Sanguiluna Treating people with respect, whether or not they've earned it, makes for a more functional society and reflects positively upon the person who chose the high road. Although I believe it is, in most cases, the wise strategy, I agree that the choice is optional.

[@zeenuf00]

@@jamesmcinnis208 'Treating people with respect, whether or not they've earned it, makes for a more functional society ' When people show that they're not deserving of respect, they don't deserve it.

[@sebastianjoseph3962]

Exactly politeness is different form respect

[@joshdunham7167]

@@zeenuf00 op would agree with you. What he is referring to is the idea that we respect everyone until they give a reason not to, not that we respect people who don't deserve it. It's the same reason kids are taught to respect adults, it's bunrns the idea that you are supposed to treat people who are older than you will respect and they eventually reach a point where anyone can be older than them.

[@rogeredge1604]

"You have a right to force... p...people to..." Ya, he tripped up there for a reason.

[@ryano709]

great catch there, boyo

[@2ndCitySES17]

Right. You have no right to force someone to do anything against their will. At least not in this part of the world.

[@DavidKendallGoogle]

2ndCitySES17 - I disagree. Might makes right in any part of the world. Don't believe me? Stop paying your taxes and you will become a believer. We live in a world where force is the ultimate indicator of right and wrong. So, your statement, "you have no right to force someone to do anything against their will" is only applicable to those who are not able to enforce their beliefs upon others.

[@2ndCitySES17]

David Kendall What you're spewing is sovereign citizen bullshit. There are laws and their are rights. There is a difference. I've got news for you, someone who tries to enforce their beliefs, or lack thereof will get all business from me if you can understand that. As I said no one has the RIGHT to force you to do anything against you're will. This is why the first and second amendments exist.

[@EvilMonkey403]

David Kendall you pay taxes to keep the system working like police, fire department, ambulance, education, etc... i could make this list longer but without you paying taxes society cant function without it

[@jamesroberts2282]

God, this man is dangerous. He gets people to think.

[@Tekken438]

And I think his ability to make people think can help make a big change.

[@DieFlabbergast]

God knows where it will end, eh?

[@kevanovic]

Brilliant mind..a great asset to humanity..

[@nicwood2098]

He does get people to think, it's a shame that includes none of his supporters.

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

james roberts We should make him drink Hemlock for corrupting the youth.

[@axelfoley20]

Jordan Perterson is brilliant and he's also compassionate. I really wish that these SJW morons would listen to him more. He knows what is up and he's honest.

[@axelfoley20]

Unfortunately it seems most of them are. They really go for that socialist scheme, not realizing that it's been tried and it has failed. In fact I find it funny that they go around calling others like conservatives NAZI's while they themselves are pushing a socialist/communist movement, all the while not realizing that NAZI stood for National socialist party. I guess one difference is that these people are more in tune with the globalist socialist system, where wealthy elites run everyone under a socialist system but it's really more like a huge plantation and they rule without any restrictions. Under their system freedom and free speech will become rumors, they never happened.

[@realeyes8096]

The word 'socialism' referring to Nazis is only a word. They weren't communist style socialists. They outlawed and killed communists and socialists. The far right vs the far left. It's one of those confusing terms that get people. A bit like 'liberals' being the least liberal of all!!!!

[@axelfoley20]

It is actually scary too. I hope that this is nothing more than the fringe. But I do know that the controllers of society know that the best way to control people is to start while they're young and in a place like college where these people seem to have this stigma that what they learn there is the absolute truth.

[@axelfoley20]

I agree. The NAZI's did say they were against the communists. I also agree that these people are not liberals in the strictest sense. They are very far left.

[@torahislife]

+axelfoley20 they are facists. The left hijacked the label "liberal" decades ago. Classical liberalism was birthed in the Enlightenment; freedom of speech and thought, where all men are created equal and respect is an honor earned, given to the virtuous. We must reclaim liberalism by snuffing out these predators of the left

[@scottgriffith7759]

I remember being in the Army and an idiot asking a soldier of lower rank, "Do you respect me?" The response was. "I respect your rank." Respect is earned, not forced.

[@Benjamin-wy4dj]

Band of Brothers Captain Winters became a Major he said the same thing to Captain Sobel

[@jmcaliney]

@@Benjamin-wy4dj When I saw that the comment had 1 reply, I was hoping it was this.

[@rolandet]

@@Benjamin-wy4dj ah yes, we salute the rank, not the man. Great scene !

[@Falquiboy]

plot twist: he was then beaten for half an hour by 3 soldiers because of disrespectful behaviour

[@Tsnore]

Indeed, respect is earned not forced, or it is not respect.

[@chickenshua100]

Tsnore Forced respect is fear, not admiration.

[@Shootskas]

Gear N Beer not both?

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

Respect also works the other way. A lot of these SJWs disrespect all white men. It always seems so hypocritical, that these people demand unearned respect, yet they give none.

[@singvogel7895]

Huh. I do not disrespect all white men (being one myself), but I do disrespect right wing nut jobs who use the term "SJW."

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

Well, that is my point, you disrespect a very large group of people only because their political and social views differ to yours. Political and social views are all that separate you, as a white man, from these people you term as nut jobs. Surely it is perfectly reasonable that they don't respect you for the same reason?

[@brianchristopher3816]

I prefer to identify as a male attack helicopter so I can mate with Lauren Southern.

[@Iron936]

well in that case you need to identify as a female attack helicopter dude.

[@brianchristopher3816]

Yes.

[@scottski02]

+RJack Where do I sign up?

[@bilbobaggins5815]

Brian Christopher I prefer to be addressed a dark overlord or Conan the Barbarian.

[@stupot295]

more like at least as female. her doctor's note says she's legally a male now

[@TheKraetos]

"Respect has to be earned, Sweet. Just like money" - Big Smoke.

[@Theevil6ify]

"All we had to do was follow the damn Apache helicopter, CJ!"

[@DN_13]

Kraetos John "I'll have two number 9's..." - the infinite wisdom that is Big Smoke

[@Tim3shark]

Wait a minute.. money needs to be earned? You're not in america are you..

[@Tim3shark]

welfare, unemployment checks, food-stamps, lawsuits, ect.... ..it was a joke, somewhat accurate.. but a joke..

[@eddy4470]

I think respect should be given to everyone until they fuck up and then they earn your disrespect

[@paralegalcollege5502]

As a linguist, I make the following observation regarding pronouns. Pronouns are function words. There is a limited number of them in the language. They are, effectively, a closed category, as Peterson notes. However, no category in language is closed 'forever'. Take the subject pronouns 'thou' and 'ye'. About 350 years ago the former disappeared from most common speech, except in some rural districts; the latter took a bit longer to go away. Hence, although a closed category, the stock of pronouns does occasionally - very occasionally - change. Left on its own, when it does change, as the evidence shows, it simplifies, it doesn't get more complicated. The current trend to increase the number of pronouns is a non-typical linguistic phenomenon. Far better to have just one third person subject pronoun - it can be he or she as far as I am concerned. We don't need both! Or, how about this: taking the two traditional pronouns - he and she - why not take the consonants out of both of them - and let all third person subject references be to 'e', i.e. she, he - {s}{h} = e. That way we are all the same. Truly equal. Now, as it happens, long before 'thou' and 'ye' were disappearing, 'you' had already begun to make its appearance - primarily as an object pronoun initially. This of course upset the balance of social relations mightily: aristocrats and squires who were used to being 'ye' were now reduced to the common 'you'; and children and servants who had always been 'thou' were now elevated to the same rank as the mighty and, like any lord or squire sitting in his chop shop at his muttons were likewise henceforth to be addressed by the honorific 'you'. O, end of days! O, mighty calamity! The observant will note that this tremendous upheaval was taking place around the time of the Civil War and the Glorious Revolution. Thus, from a purely historic perspective - what does that tell us about the current shifts in the language's pronoun inventory in relation to social forces, trends, the fracturing of certain inter-group relations and the like? Believe me, this is a much more momentous social transformation than we can possibly imagine. In addition, there is a very obvious alternative to using a third person pronoun - _any_ third person subject pronoun - in reference to a person: just use their given name, be that inclusion of their title, e.g. Dr Smith, their family name 'Smith' or their first name, 'Mary/John' etc, depending on your relationship or the nature of your association with that person. Another point about pronouns: those who wish to add to the pronoun list may sometimes forget two linguistic realities: (i) we don't address a person by a third person pronoun! You won't say to a person 'zhe' - third person pronouns are what you say when you speak about a person, not to them. If a person wants you to refer to them, in the third person as 'zhe', 'zie' etc, then it would be polite to do so. Why not? Should the law compel it? Absolutely not. The law should stay clear of these types of interaction between people and not try to micro-manage people's speech. Let society manage itself voluntarily and by and large people will just get on with each other and adapt. Force them to do something and you are inviting conflict; (ii) Nobody will be able to remember *all* the pronouns that are currently being proposed in reference to different groups. It's impossible. By forcing people - by use of the law - to conform to this behaviour - governments are demonstrating stupendous, hitherto unequalled, naivete; myopia to a degree without precedent. Language just doesn't work like this. In speech, the natural tendency is to simplify and the beauty of the English language, up until now is that it has had only six subject pronouns (other than the two we lost about three hundred years ago). Everybody uses these six little words with great ease. We learn them as children with great ease. By the age of three practically all children will know those six simple words: I, you, he, she, it, they. Now, if you want to introduce more - say, for example, another 10 - or perhaps an even higher number than that - what are you going to end up doing - prosecuting children of competent criminal age because they said 'zhe' instead of 'zie' (as an example)? Don't forget, children do get prosecuted for crimes, and in Canada non-use of the person's preferred pronoun is a crime. Will we see 12 year olds behind bars for this 'offence'? What on earth does Canada think it is doing? So my, linguistic, advice is this: if you wish to be addressed by a particular pronoun, do what many people in public life now do - I have seen it in many emails - simply put your desired form of address next to, or under, your signature. Be advised, though, don't think of compelling people to address you in that way - rather, invite them to do so. That's more polite, and therefore more likely to evoke a positive response. Start forcing people at the barrel of public shame and you will engender nothing but hostility. On the other hand, if you invite people, in time they will get used to it, and in the end we will all treat each other more agreeably. Now that would be progress. Your life is yours - let it be rich!

[@mathewhale3581]

A thoughtful reply Huzzah

[@diornodiovanna2838]

I really wish you hadn't hit out with thou wishest and thou shouldst not, but all in all that was a wonderful read, I was having trouble wrapping my head around this and your comment made that far easier

[@forlinginst]

@@diornodiovanna2838 I was trying to make a point about changes in the language, but maybe I shouldn't have...thanks for the response.

[@diornodiovanna2838]

@@forlinginst Nah dw I get you man, it hurt my eyes but it wasn't bad or anything

[@paralegalcollege5502]

@@forlinginst No worries, Diorno. Thanks for your input.

[@randymcguire6341]

Who's to say what's a pronoun? Dr. Peterson is the God of Tolerance. How many times have I witnessed this man give a calm, measured answer to a jackass that hardly merits the oxygen they deprive their thinking comrades of? I'm still at the level where I'd have told that guy to complete grade 3 and get back to me after they do pronouns.

[@LauraKnightJadczyk]

Yup. Agree. Peterson is a saint.

[@dr.cliche7560]

He's also very polite when listening to them. He doesn't interrupt them. He doesn't laugh or sneer, no matter how inane their points are.

[@terrancevanliew1814]

Randy McGuire Well your "3rd grade" insult would've completely missed the point of the guy's question. The man was not asking "how" he was asking "why". "Why" is a question of infinite complexity. One that takes years of study to awnser adequately.

[@Bikewithlove]

Randy McGuire - That's a good way of putting it. People who demand respect don't know what respect is. What they're actually demanding is accommodation, thereby losing the respect of the person they want to be accommodated by.

[@FerociousSniper]

Randy McGuire think about this. He became a teacher for a reason. If someone asks the dumbest question on the planet, but is respectful, he is going to try his hardest to answer their question, and teach them.

[@justinanthony6253]

"That's alot of questions, I'm going to have to sort that out for a minute" No seconds later: flawless argument.

[@demiserofd]

Sometimes the best way to think is to talk your way through the argument.

[@pig_cakes1368]

He didn't even finish the word 'minute'

[@ahcensoufi9923]

That's because he took the time ;) And he is brilliant. That might help.

[@ahcensoufi9923]

That's because he took the time ;) And he is brilliant. That might help.

[@waggawaggaful]

We are lucky to have this man as a public intellectual.

[@emmagoldman5382]

Sorry, I had to take some time to laugh here. Intellectual? Since when has old white cis male's outdated ideologies been ever considered inetellectuality-- Oh wait, since ever. No wonder our world is such a bloody mess. We really need younger people to step up and show what the world IS instead of listening to old people telling us what the world WAS. This Jordan Peterson person is so uninformed about modern social studies, sociology, psychology, gender studies, biology, politics and legislation it almost seems like he learned everything he knows decades ago from old white dudes like him-- OH SHITE! Now it all makes sense! Suddenly I understand how Elite Academia works! Mind = blown.

[@emmagoldman5382]

Researched and factual based on what though? I mean, you gotta admit it's kind of like inbreeding.

[@johnbagyan7727]

A devoted sjw girl.

[@RambunctiousVA]

Maya Santos An SJW with a Homestuck pfp complaining about white men. Iconic.

[@emmagoldman5382]

You bet.

[@alejohernandez75]

"I hope to gain esteem by rendering my self worthy of esteem" Abraham Lincoln

[@ryandesmond5477]

"I think we all acknowledge we have a right to force people to..." *insert guy blinking gif*

[@2ShOoTer7]

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[@bza069]

yeah, i cringed when he said that

[@Kisamaism]

If they followed it up by saying "not murder anyone" or "wear clothes in public", I might not have cared. But no one in this country has the right to force me to address a professor as professor, or a any other terminology. Is it the societal norm and expectancy? Yes. Do we force? No. Being kicked out of the lecture hall for failing to address the professor properly is a punishment, not an enforcement. There is a difference.

[@egoalter1276]

"..not commit murder without good reason"? "..refrain from endangering the minors in their care"? "..relinquish illegal items in their posession"? Forcing people to abide by the law is how laws work. It is the right of law enforcment to force people to abide by the law.

[@ryandesmond5477]

Ego Alter please refer to the above comment. We're humans, we have free will. You can't really force anyone to do anything. You can "enforce" a law and punish those who don't abide by it, but never will you be able to force someone to obey a law, perhaps coerce...but not force. There's always a choice.

[@Daimo83]

Look at him, he knows this guys full of shit as he rambles on, but he stays respectful.

[@nexusclarum8000]

Were either of you paying any attention? It's called "common decency" not respect.

[@tomasengstrom6362]

was about to write the same, then i saw your comment ;) They just talked about it in the clip for god sake ;);)

[@highfive6095]

+Nexus Clarum That's interesting. I've always linked "listening respectfully" with "common decency." But if listening respectfully necessitates respect, they wouldn't automatically be related.

[@Sargonarhes]

That wasn't respectful, that was just being nice. The common decency he spoke of. Give an idiot enough rope and they will hang themselves. And that idiot did just that, and Peterson just kicked the stool out from under him.

[@fpruijm]

That was not respect, that was common decency. The common decency to listen to moronic questions from moronic students is behaviour, respect is an emotion.

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing. Thank you Jordan Peterson for doing something.

[@newbyrobert49]

Kristian Sandsmark want to see what a liberal progressive socialist society would be ? Watch the movie demolition man with sly stalone. HE wakes up to a joy joy world . Where you are constantly monitored and if it is bad for you it is against the law. Where the only one person incharge is the true evil . Wesley Snipes charactor even though evil . Did give a good anology of the leader of the city . A evil Mr. Rodgers. Funny if he made this statement . You would think he would set back and look towards himself. Since Kato the leader was the one who gave Wesley snipes charactor the means to almost conquer the city. But it is a movie and they had to make the stalone charactor defeat him.

[@raidermaxx2324]

Kristian Sandsmark one year later.. Peterson goes on Bill Maher and says the exact opposite.. bunch of shills..

[@raidermaxx2324]

newbyrobert49 kinda like Donald Trump

[@jesushatesyoutoo]

Problem is Peterson is NOT a GOOD man!

[@joshuasy10]

@@jesushatesyoutoo why isnt he a good man?

[@thewolf5459]

"I'm gonna have to sort that out for a minute." *Takes literally 1 second to sort it out and solves the illuminati*

[@IPv6people]

'solves the illuminati'. Can one or more of the 50+ thumbuppers here tell me what 'the illuminati' means and why a word that is more than ambiguous on google is used here?

[@dextermorgan2117]

@@IPv6people If Google is your limit, then you're worse than average.

[@lukepier9736]

@@IPv6people It is a conspiracy theory, the Illuminati is the group that is supposedly behind it all. It has become a meme ever since they paired the x-files theme to the Illuminati symbol. Also its called like, not a thumbupper.

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

@@IPv6people secret societies that work behind the scenes to enforce a godless and demonic society to the whole world. If you don’t believe in conspiracies then you wouldn’t get it. If you believe the superpowers that are at charge are inheritely looking for the betterment for mankind then you won’t be able to discern the possibility of such a group to exist. However the term has been loosely used but doesn’t count out the conspiracy that happens behind the scenes

[@MercifulTyrant]

Skip to 1:42 The Sophmore wants to sound intelligent and takes almost two minutes to ask "Can we force people call you by a specific pronoun"

[@mato5227]

Oh yes. In every public event there are these cringy people that ask ultra long questions, which are mostly statements. Those people are either students or old men. Both are bored i assume.

[@sleepyd1231]

I've always thought this pronoun thing isn't worth the argument on transgenderism, it seems like a waste of time questioning instead of actually discussing something of value. It's because words don't have meaning, they have usages. It's just a symbol for a meaning. So "apple" is an apple, because we agree it is an apple. This is why a word's meaning changes over time, like how "gay" used to mean happy and now "gay" means male homosexual. So if someone wants me to call them "X" I will accept it, in this discussion the term "X" means "X". All words have this property too, not just nouns. This pronoun argument is a waste of time, instead of discussing the meat of these issues.

[@jamesh1691]

You missed the point Dylan. It's not about pronouns or transgenderism at all, it's about freedom of speech. If you choose to call someone their preferred pronoun out of respect, that's your choice. When a government proposes legislation that forces you to speak a certain way, it's tyrannical and does nothing to make people respect those groups more. That's what this is about.

[@sleepyd1231]

james h I'm beyond this. His objection to using these pronouns is based upon simply not liking it, nothing more. Which is what I'm addressing. And though I'm for all free speech, this form of childness out of JP demonstrates he may not be the suited for a job. If I didn't want to address a student by his name simply because I didn't like it, wouldn't I not be suited for this line of work? This analogy is virtually the same situation on it's philosophical grounds.

[@jamesh1691]

You wouldn't be "beyond this" if you listen to him and analyze the context in which he's speaking. He's against legislation that forces one to speak in a certain way and if you're in support of true free speech you'd feel the same way.

[@RangeMaster45]

It's more important than ever to support people like Dr. Peterson and stand up to the intolerant left.

[@robc6022]

I lean left and I agree with this statement.

[@RangeMaster45]

I lean right, and I will also call out people on "my side" whenever they are out of line.

[@RangeMaster45]

Generally speaking , I believe that the left and right tend to have different sets of values, so I am perfectly fine describing people as left, right, center, etc...

[@alexspec1772]

If you get offended because someone didn`t address you by the pronoun you want, why would the state defend your feelings? Why are you feelings protected by the state against offense?

[@eliezerberry]

States should never make laws defending people from other people who merely offend their feelings. Laws should be about defending against harm, or provable damage caused by one against another. Imagine the stifling, insufferable society we would create if we were all able to bring the law against others whose only crime was to cause us emotional discomfort.

[@BenjaminEsposti]

eliezerberry I agree. I think a better way of fighting this would be to fight it at the root - I.E. make people wiser and less insecure. Then they wouldn't be as easily offended, and would be more open. And, that would help solve many other problems too. Granted, that's probably just wishful thinking, but still...

[@davexb6595]

If you get offended because someone didn't address you by the pronoun you want, how are you going to make it through a single day out here in the real world? I don't know how these feminists and SLW tie their shoelaces. Or perhaps they don;t because they only have velcro and buckles.

[@yvanazastrasz9013]

If only it were offense... Why would the state defend your feelings against RE-A-LI-TY ?...

[@Daxterous]

+MrNotadream I mean that's basically already a reality already with KZbin Heroes..

[@threestepssideways1202]

I absolutely hate 'questions' that are actually long winded statements, with a question tagged on at the end. Get to the point, ask what you want to ask, succinctly. Nobody is tuning in, or indeed turning up, to hear somebody from the crowd opine in a long winded fashion.

[@f.schmid468]

Wow the lessons you have been to must have missed the quality of sophisticated conversations completely to say such absolute. Has that been the case for your time in university?

[@Jose-rz1ye]

Sometimes difficult questions require sufficient elaboration which often come in the category of statements in an attempt to accurately transfer the question to the person answering the question. And although this is not an excuse for a poor articulated "question maker", some questions are incredibly deep and require the "master" to articulate it for the student. And I've seen Jordan do this various times when he answers questions of this sort which in my opinion is one of the reasons he is regarded as a great thinker.

[@threestepssideways1202]

@@f.schmid468 It's simply my opinion on unnecessary pontification. You are entitled to your own.

[@f.schmid468]

@@threestepssideways1202 of course it is your Opinion and it differs from Mine because i really liked when my co students engaged in conversations with the Professors! Of course some of them in the first Semesters were just reciting stereotypes but that changed ratger quickly because of the eloquent competence of my Professors to correcr these students which resulted in highly interesting thoughts coming from them to fuel the joined approach to understand a concept or perspective together on a deeper level. Thats why i assumedd that you must have had the opposite Experience to develop the oposite Opinion and i asked you to tell me if this assumtion was right, to reality check the truthfulness of my assumtion and i am complete fine with your opinion! I didnt mean to make an argument against it i just wanted to investigate the truthfulness of my own thinking.

[@threestepssideways1202]

@@f.schmid468 Very well, I'm glad you clarified. I'm quite happy to have longer conversations, indeed debate the finer elements of a subject in the correct forum, but in a Q&A at the end of a presentation I don't think it's the time to opine at length given that time is short normally and other people wish to have their questions answered too. Which is why I made it clear that I don't like a question that isn't in fact a question at all, but a statement dressed up as one. There is a difference. Have a pleasant day.

[@fightmilk6004]

We give a kid a trophy for just participating, that is inflating the currency. Brilliant

[@yeetusdeletus9]

Fight Milk its a metaphor. if everyone has something, that something becomes worthless

[@fightmilk6004]

Angelo Basso yeah I understand...

[@fatetestarossa2774]

indeed Fight Milk

[@delicheese6774]

I would identify Mr. Peterson's statement as a false analogy though. Respect ought to be the default position in how we view or treat others; that is not to say that this respect cannot be lost, or that you cannot set the standard (however low you wish to make it for that matter) by which someone else loses it. This also does not mean that using "incorrect pronouns" is a form of disrespect. One thing the nut asking the questions fails to acknowledge is that English pronouns are not gendered; they are based on sex, i.e. whether your twenty third chromosomes are XY or XX. English is a non-gendered language, and no matter how much you hormonally torture your body, you cannot change your sex. Given that, the only "incorrect pronouns" are the ones that conflict with one's biological, factual sex, not the ones that conflict with one's perception of oneself. But to say that extending respect to everyone on default is to devalue respect is just incorrect. Respect, just like morality, is predicated on the intrinsic value of an individual; I hardly think that Mr. Peterson would suggest that we need only extend morality to those whom we arbitrarily decide deserve moral treatment. In other words, you don't just go around abusing people because you don't think they deserve moral treatment, and you also don't think that treating everybody within some moral standard devalues the idea of morality in itself.

[@voshtt]

No. He's right. You have to earn my respect. I am only obligated (as dictated by a mix of my own moral obligations with a dash of societal obligations) to be polite to people. That is all.

[@December151791]

This guy is living proof that you never know where life may take you. He is a brilliant psychologist, distinguished and talented, but has been reduced to a battler of libtards... I bet he never saw that coming, I bet he doesn't even want to have to play this role. It chose him.

[@tzuyd]

Nah, if you've seen many of his videos, he definitely chose this role. He saw so many aspects of society taking dangerous turns and he knew he needed to step up against it, because the consequences of not speaking up are larger.

[@iveq3576]

Hotcakes thats true sadly...

[@homieheist8146]

He's the hero we need, not the one we deserve

[@cayladelorenzo4047]

And whats worse is that the libtards don't even fucking listen. It's funny how libtards constantly talk about "educating" people yet, when someone who can actually teach them about how fucking foolish they are they don't listen. Maybe if they listened and became educated society could make some progress.

[@av4d]

Isn't he more central in his political views?

[@GreatBigRanz]

Dude. Lets make 'Dude" the necessary gender neutral Pro-noun

[@Reeferal]

GreatBigRanz way ahead of you

[@genericasian5699]

GreatBigRanz I already do this. Makes it easier so that I don't have to deal with that, "Not my pronoun." Crap.

[@FreedInPieces]

You sir are a GENIUS! All this 3rd person pronoun shit would be solved by having one completely neutral pronoun. My little dude goes to an all dudes school. Use the dudes' bathroom. All the dudes in the house say "hey-ooo!"

[@rachybaby72]

GreatBigRanz Oooh, love it!

[@JensenP12]

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[@chucho35pewdsmiester78]

I sexually identify as a person that doesn't have to use your pronouns, please respect my wishes.

[@kevbas213]

Chucho35 Pewdsmiester fuck your wishes

[@TakeFlow1]

Genius

[@pologenius21]

I watched a documentary on people who said this 50 years ago. And now they regret it

[@paulacrevaux5730]

Not going to happen

[@joshuasy10]

@@pologenius21 hahaha

[@bsim4431]

0:15 "you have a right to force people to..........." it doesnt matter what comes after that statement the answer is always no, no you dont.

[@attrix09]

Amen...

[@therealr0bert]

You have a right to force people to stop physically attacking you. You have a right to force people to pay reparations for damage they caused via the court system.You have a right to force people to stop eating your baby.

[@attrix09]

You would... No arguing that.

[@bsim4431]

enginesnblades that's not initiation of force. that retaliation. retaliatory force is morally justified. initiation of force is always immoral

[@therealr0bert]

it doesnt matter what comes after that statement

[@KELLSONIC]

Respect isn't a right, respect is a privilege.

[@BinarySecond]

But mah traveling

[@urallnoobs8943]

Guess we'd better check it

[@irongeneral7861]

a WHITE MALE privilege? xD

[@paulbluntmallcunt3626]

I would say being treated with respect is though until you no longer deserve it

[@DelightfulTyrant]

+Chifinity Nope, I will be courteous, but respect is a privilege. Period.

[@larrykostopulos1332]

I identify as the King of Australia, my pronouns are Your Majesty and His Highness. Make sure you use them, or else!

[@jessicaarmy-animegirl9454]

Larry Kostopulos 😂😂

[@knowlesy3915]

It's Queen of Australia & you're called Elizabeth the 2nd.

[@mtlicq]

don't worry, we already are forced to respect you equally as much as Narcissists who are determined to destroy us in order to feed their egos, and equally forced to respect them as much as Your Majesty, oh King of Australia.

[@chrisdyson1566]

Are you from Melbourne? I love your anglo-greek sounding name. But you'll have to argue with Shane Warne, Wally Lewis, Paul Keating, Malcom Turnbull etc etc over who is actually going to sit on the throne(although Paul Keating probably owns the shit house). There's quite a few who either think they are, or are treated like they are, king. Love your humour. I respect you.

[@mtlicq]

@@chrisdyson1566 oh oh ! You forgot to say "Your Highness"

[@ShamanNoodles]

"im not a linguist," said one of the most genius speakers i've ever heard

[@DieFlabbergast]

Well, he isn't.

[@davidwebb2318]

He just meant he isn't an academic in the field of linguistics.

[@ShamanNoodles]

@@davidwebb2318 yes I am aware, it is a joke

[@davidwebb2318]

@@ShamanNoodles Okay but it just makes you look like you are mixing up the words linguist and orator. A good speaker is a capable orator. A linguist is someone who studies languages and language.

[@ShamanNoodles]

@@davidwebb2318 you must be fun at parties

[@SimoNemo7]

If I had a nickel for every gender in the universe, I'd have ten cents. Cheers.

[@lilyorsman1427]

I though you said 'Nickleback" and I was triggered

[@HungryGuyStories]

If you had said "on Earth" instead of "in the universe" then I'd agree you you, but we don't know what kind of alien reproductive physiologies exist out there in the universe...

[@HungryGuyStories]

Yeah. That's what I said! :-/

[@RoninVsWorld]

Cuore Granata if i had a grain of rice for every gender there was, id be a starving man with 2 grains of rice

[@dw3yn693]

how do you know that in the whole UNIVERSE there isnt one planet with a species that are not male nor female?

[@josephwalker107]

"That's a lot of questions i'm going to have to take a minu - WELL FIRST OF ALL..."

[@DragonballZ-ei7zx]

Time is a construct

[@Olivia-bh7vs]

"I'm not a linguist but...." Answers with a flawless analysis 😂 ❤️

[@DragonballZ-ei7zx]

@WackTubeSK8 That's a very black and white way of viewing it. We put value on money even though technically it now has no value especially as it's mostly online. Just like we say this is time.

[@DragonballZ-ei7zx]

@WackTubeSK8 Just because we do not know how to control time as humans with limited technology, doesn't mean it can't be

[@gavart4509]

The adrenaline zipped through his bloodstream *you can no longer stop it*

[@Reeferal]

Wish I was in that lecture. He makes a flawless argument. What value does respect have nowadays?

[@rstlesswarrior]

Reeferal one respect costs one like according to Facebook.

[@delicheese6774]

The argument is actually very flawed: false analogy fallacy. Respect is more akin to morality in that they are both practiced on the grounds of another individual's sovereignty and intrinsic worth. Respect cannot be devalued any more than the moral treatment of someone or morality in general can be devalued. It's not a currency being given for free; it is a recognition that other individuals are equally as important as yourself.

[@trunkmonkey81]

Also I think there is some conflation between courtesy and respect. The craziest thing is that the respect seldom seems to be reciprocal. The same people who ask for an individual's right to determine their own pronouns frequently labels people with dissenting opinions fascists or Nazis.

[@jamiestewart2051]

Kids are taught not to respect anyone but the state which is ironic seeing they have 0 compassion or respect for the public.

[@Luna-tt5vx]

Soul Chicken fuck no..you earn my respect its not given..i don't respect you at all

[@justing7490]

When will these "woke" kids learn that a simple concise question is the only way to actually make a point? They always try to catch these guys up but then talk so much that they leave themselves open to get shit on.

[@stankfanger1366]

*+justin g* "If you can't blind 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."

[@grichl88]

That seems pretty common with students as well as people who have a great deal of investment or misunderstanding in something. As a front end lead, sometimes I'm asked very in depth questions, and my job, if I care to help junior devs, is to parse and reduce the question to its basic parts. That tends to require a conversation, which is hard to find these days.

[@simon_patterson]

Being concise is not encouraged at university. If you're told to produce a 2,000 word essay, the system will usually punish you for concisely covering the set topic but only using 1,000 words.

[@kaizal3161]

That wasn't a debate, no one got shit on, pls stick your delutions up your ass thx.

[@FreeAmerica4Ever]

My new adjective for these individuals is "woketard"...lol

[@tuhaggis]

Having social skills is not the same as having respect for people.

[@VitaSineLibertatenih]

Respect is like money, it should be earned.

[@fatetestarossa2774]

indeed VitaSineLibertatenih

[@BenjaminEsposti]

Chaitanya Reddy I agree, I think of that as a sort of baseline level of respect ... everyone should at least have _some_ respect for others. Ironically, it ties right in with the so-called "guilty until proven innocent" way of thinking that has cropped up in SJW/feminist culture.

[@PastPresented]

Respect and civility are in a sense more than two different things. Civility is a way of behaving; respect is a way of thinking which _can be manifested as_ a way of behaving. Personally, I respect Peterson a little less because he chose to discuss the concept of respecting somebody as binary, Yes or No, rather than as a sliding scale, from Greatly down to Not At All (where Not At All should not be the default).

[@LovingTinha]

and how exactly do i earn your respect, by meeting your preset and/or evolving values/beliefs, that i might differ on ? No thank you. Only person anyone actually truly ever respects is themselves. And anyone who consciously engages in "respect" whether earning it or giving it, is basically full of shit. Don't believe me ? Ask yourself who actually respects you? And do they really respect you and why ? And who do you respect and why ? I bet the people you respect, deep down don't give a fuck about you, just as those that respect you, deep down, you don't give a fuck about them. And anything outside of that is just delusional and ideological garbage.

[@jmoa5758]

Naw it needs to be distributed and the most respected needs to be taxed 100% of their respect. xD

[@borismbhele4905]

And Dr Jordan Peterson, despite the controversy which surrounds him, has earned my respect

[@moriahmanwaring755]

I’ve also learned to respect him, though with a grain of salt. I find that his classroom lectures tend to be more focused and on point, while in other forums (where it seems just about any type of question can be asked), I hear more of his opinion & judgment bleeding in. Maybe in those cases the research is not as freshly reviewed for him as when he’s teaching a lecture (idk, just a conjecture).

[@ElValuador]

Another example is when the word “tolerance” was first used. It’s meaning slowly changed to “acceptance” and finally “celebration”.

[@ladynottingham89]

My father always told me I would have to earn respect and that it wasn't a gift. The older I get, the more I see the validity of his point. I really think our political correctness culture is becoming dangerous. It's stagnating our growth as a society and it's making people lose touch with reality. The ironic thing is that these people who demand to be treated a certain way automatically don't even extend that privilege to others, so how to they rationalize the world should do the same for them is beyond me. This is starting to become some sort of globalized type of mental illness where people don't want to accept the world for what it is.

[@beastlyendeavour9184]

ladynottingham89 I wonder if this has anything to do with the increasing number of broken and dysfunction families. could there be a correlation between this and all the things that have contributed to the anti family movement

[@eagleswings9080]

Make families great and normal again!

[@iAmCodeMonkey]

I can't help but agree with this statement. Such rational thought is hard to come by these days.

[@yaboileeroy3038]

ladynottingham89 Cultural sociopathy is the best way I can put it.

[@outfield243]

ladynottingham89 preach!!!

[@danielclee1]

good to hear common sense making a comeback

[@LinkEX]

I think it's called "uncommon sense" these days.

[@TheRealOtakuEdits]

LinkEX Too true, unfortunately.

[@danielclee1]

Remember Mad magazine? Dave Berg, if I remember correctly: "Nothing common about common sense."

[@DCI-Frank-Burnside]

Post-common sense. Like common sense but more self referential and with a deeper entrenched irony.

[@rachybaby72]

Supermandan Don't call it a comeback; it's been here for years...

[@colonelhart5721]

Nice job listening to this nonsense, Peterson, without blinking too much. The questioner didn't know what he was talking about; the entire question was more or less a statement: WRONGTHINK! As a fellow instructor we almost need an official procedure to deal with this nonsense.

[@fightmilk6004]

Colonel Hart it is very refreshing to hear this

[@ClaíomhDClover]

The left cant stop doublethinking!

[@davidwalz94]

Yea I immediately felt the guy asking the 'question' had no idea what he was talking about.

[@1simo93521]

"2+2=5 Winston Smith"

[@dribblesg2]

It was a legitimate question, but like many of these convoluted ramblings it could have been one sentence: 'if people can demand or at least reasonably expect to not be labelled by a derogatory description, why can they not expect the same regarding a pronoun they feel is equally derogatory'?

[@3uphoric]

Tywin Lannister : Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king.

[@kidphillyorg]

I wish Lebron James would read this comment.

[@michaelwhitley2081]

Depends on the context

[@houstonharleyguy]

"You're not my king. I didn't vote for you." - Peasant

[@philip3321]

Nice one

[@ryanackert1536]

@@kidphillyorg ha

[@iaindennis230]

We must remember that respect has to be earned and cannot be demanded.

[@Kairu_Kilofski]

Dr. Peterson may potentially be one of the smartest people alive right now.

[@felz9447]

Kilofski how old are you?

[@huntster4000]

Kilofski Not even close. He is very, very educated but no where near the smartest.

[@derekmeade1741]

devinslice Actually he has an iq over 150, so he is one of the smartest.

[@Toomsday94]

Not that im saying he isnt smart, but if he is the smartest then the world has a bigger problem.

[@williamverhagen5210]

I wouldn't necessarily call it smart wise fits him better I think

[@ThePieMan305]

I self identify as a T-Rex and would like to be referred to as such.

[@gpgpgpgp1000]

The musician or the dinosaur?

[@aldricazucena9598]

Okay Mr. Pterodactyl

[@KatZolitaMason]

ThePieMan -But I insist on calling you Marc Bolan.😉

[@phannypack3951]

ThePieMan im a jet ski

[@angelroman6616]

How dare you T-Rex?! I’m offended therefore I’m a pterodactyl!

[@rahn45]

"If I can't force you to respect me, I can force you to fear me; and you won't like it."

[@onlylogic717]

North america is gone victim crazy, I'm a proud north american but man this shit is gross, I spent a few months in Ireland last year, what an amazing place, Free to say whatever you like, and if you dont like something someone says, well, you just move on, Hard people to insult, couldn't care less, We ought to be more like that

[@raisis3456]

Fellow North American to,,,,,,we need more middle ground

[@Odinsday]

Ireland people don't give a fuck and that's what makes it great.

[@fpruijm]

The only thing that will get the Irish into a state of murderous frenzy is taking away their booze.

[@erickstanza8782]

Irish people are hard to insult because they are at the bottom of the western social ladder.

[@acreativeusername1560]

I live in Ireland. I'm glad you liked it here. Yeah, we don't really take these things very seriously. I hope we never will. We're all about having a good laugh as best we can on a daily basis.

[@nicoelgreeko]

I noticed throughout my life that people use these words and ideals (respect or honesty or another virtue) repeatedly, almost like they're casting a spell. But the other side of that coin is those same types that are constantly referring to themselves as "honest" or "respectful" are almost always the first to get caught in a lie or to come off as disrespectful. Present day. Many confrontations at rallies, protests, or "townhall" meetings involve one person or group that is constantly virtue signaling and accusing the other side of heinous actions. We are living in a George Orwell book where liars are our "heroes" and good, honest people are "sheep". When will the silent majority of solid, well adjusted people stand up to this intellectual tyranny?

[@MikeSandersonVideos]

We're trying and we're getting there (e.g. KZbin stars like Sargon, Rubin Report, Milo, etc whoever you favour).

[@MrTubularBalls]

+Mike Frying Maybe, but is youtube affecting the reality of totalitarian campuses? At least Milo is physically going there, and exposing these bullies for what they are.

[@GrubKiller436]

The answer is always enlightenment. People suffer because they desire.

[@Pathfinder-Doc]

XX= woman XY=man... no way you can change that.

[@OriginalNajja]

Some of them will try to argue XXX, XXY, XYY, etc, etc and claim that that proves theres more. Even though those cases are linked to severe disability and in most cases stillbirth.

[@Pathfinder-Doc]

Najja Mallace well said

[@jrdn31195]

Najja Mallace my go to response is typically that those variations are birth defects, not a new sex. The same way someone born without a leg isn't a new form of a human being.

[@rcpwProductions]

I was born with glass bones and paper skin. That makes me Osteoporosite, a gender I totally did not make up as I typed this.

[@wgo523]

but our genders are arbitrarily related to our sexes. no way around that.

We can treat random people with courtesy, but it's a privilege, not a right. Respect is earned.

[@StonyRC]

Absolutely right.

[@sand747]

Yes but trans people did nothing to lose their respect. You should respect everyone who has done nothing wrong.

[@CombiHarvester-mo4jh]

@@sand747 Wait who says trans people did something to lose respect? I certainly haven't said that.

[@sand747]

@IronDestroyer1743 innocent until proven guilty.

[@blaustein_autor]

@IronDestroyer1743 Actually, no. There are more definitions of respect than one. We just need to separate them: Not hurting strangers verbally or physically means respecting their human dignity. Praising people's qualities means respecting certain features of them on the basis of our own values. You can prefer to call the first one courtesy or kindness or civility, but you can't deny that respect does have the above mentioned meaning as well. That being said, I won't deny that there are people who abuse this double meaning and try to enforce "praise" by labeling it like "civility". But let's not allow the world to dumb down. A word can have more than one meaning and we should preserve that in all of our mother tongues.

[@jrdn31195]

I have no problem calling someone whatever pronoun they choose. I think it's just common decency. But the instant they start demanding that I call them what they want, that's the instant I stop giving a shit

[@drifterbingus]

Jordan Montgomery Isn't that a contradiction?

[@K1DBeast]

It's like holding a door open for one another. I'll hold the door open for anyone, but the moment they demand that I hold the door open for them is when I lose the desire to do so for them.

[@StayinOnePiece]

No, it's called free will. In the first case, he is their equal who chooses to comply with them. In the second case, he is their slave who must do what they dictate.

[@hemipemi]

There was literally an article in The Guardian the other day where the writer told about how she lost her shit at a man who held the door open for her.

[@Youngster543210]

No, One way you remove free will.

[@prometheanpig4764]

His collar is frustrating the living hell out of me.

[@prometheanpig4764]

Interesting take on it, but I still disagree.

[@prometheanpig4764]

I definitely see where you're coming from, and to an extent, I agree. However, I do believe that the way you carry yourself deeply reflects on your mental discipline. Keep in mind, it's just a collar; not that big a deal, but still.

[@PanicAttackTwo]

Promethean Pig yup was looking for this comment. Faith in KZbin restored

[@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo]

Why you say something now it's bothering me too :I

[@jo324ch]

Promethean Pig I listened to what he was saying... while staring intently at his collar...

[@atrailofblood]

I want to fix his collar

[@yoanadimitrova8760]

Ash lol, me too

[@thebassics2478]

Great, now I want to as well.

[@CreeGoth]

Ash same here

[@haka8702]

A nice quote, I'll steal that for the future. (That's also why I came here:-) "Respecting random people is like inflating the value of respect."

[@GnosticAtheist]

I am starting to think people dont really understand the word "respect". I do not respect people when I first encounter them. In order to earn respect they have to do something I find positive depending on my subjective position. Its a relative quality. I believe SJWs confuse civil behaviour with respect.

[@alex8480]

Øystein A. I disagree. I think you, I, and most others actually do offer respect to random people. Now, there's a difference between offering basic respect for someone as a human and respecting them for who they are as a person. I give everyone general respect until they give me reason not to but I withhold personal respect until they give me a reason not to.

[@Fermion.]

@ the book worm *respect* _noun_ a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. By definition, it's impossible to respect a random stranger because you have nothing to base that respect on. You're confusing respect with civility. *civility* _noun_ formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech.

[@drg8687]

+Fermion You sure about that? www.dictionary.com/browse/respect 4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: You respect the basic rights of all individuals because you except the same in return, civility is simply a product of respect.

[@Fermion.]

+Jebuslives I am absolutely positive. Let's take your example for instance: 4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: _respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly._ All of those examples are to be respected because of *known* reasons (laws, nationalism, experience). When you meet a random stranger you have no idea what they've accomplished or any positions they hold. So you treat them with civility. If you get to know more about them, only then can you respect what they've done. *Civility is not a product of respect.* They have nothing to do with one another. You can be civil and have no respect for someone. _A co-worker who routinely makes rudimentary mistakes that add unnecessary stress to his colleagues._ Same as one can respect someone, but not be civil towards them. _A detective can have respect for the skill of a meticulous serial killer, but would absolutely not be civil towards that individual once apprehended._ A more relevant example in your link is definition #3: 3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: _I have great respect for her judgment_ This person has respect for her judgment only because she has a proven track record of making sound decisions. That respect cannot be bestowed without a prior basis on which to form it.

[@calebtimes453]

Øystein A. But as the professor stated their could be common decency

[@stash.]

These are the conversations we'll be having when the nukes are flying

[@jf8138]

You are kidding, right? Mr. funnystashdotcom lol

[@FlockofSmeagles]

cringelord^

[@beastamongsthumansheep4345]

I won't leave ...."I will say whatever I want to you and I don't care if..." blah,blah,blah. You've never been hit repeatedly in your face as you screamed for your attacker to stop as you wished for mercy have you? It's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer by the way you comment on these videos.

[@stash.]

@ I won't leave - What's you're point? @Humansheep - Buy a taser...

[@jf8138]

That you are bitching about people having discussions. Pretty gay of you, with your overly useless bullshit. That's what dip shit. That too complicated?

[@MrZeekbird]

Watching him listen is the best part. Because you know his brain is organizing thoughts faster than a modern day supercomputer It’s fascinating to watch the thoughts come out in words so perfectly and with little hesitation.

[@jonmcalister1802]

If he’s so smart, why does he begin with a logical fallacy?

[@tannerhagen774]

Interesting, what fallacy is that?

[@jonmcalister1802]

@@tannerhagen774 slippery slope fallacy. “If you can insist on a pronoun, then you can also insist on an adjective….” Slippery slope is JP’s favorite fallacy, but he also uses either-or and straw man a lot.

[@tannerhagen774]

Strawmaning is something he does, but there are times where I don’t consider a slippery slope to be an actual fallacy (not to say he doesn’t at times fall for it). For instance, making it law to compel certain speech leading to furtherance of government interference in language be regarded as slippery slope or legit concern? Or in law when changing the meaning of a term, either by broadening or narrowing, can lead to a kind of slippery slope effect on future litigations.

[@jonmcalister1802]

@@tannerhagen774 Two things: First, it is a fallacy in this case because he uses it to ignore the validity of the issue. No one is asking about adjectives, but he moves to them in order to dodge the conversation about pronouns. The reason that matters brings me to my second point: gender dysphoria. This is a real psychological diagnosis that leads includes genuine psychological distress when other people treat them as if they are of a different gender than they perceive themselves to be. This is recognized by the current Diagnostic Statistical Manual, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and many others. He moved on to adjectives because they have nothing to do with gender dysphoria. Perhaps it wasn’t a fallacy but merely a rhetorical tactic to run his mouth and sound impressive while saying nothing about the question. Regarding your comment about “compelled speech”: He is also extremely slippery on this point. Who is compelling speech by whom? Maybe I am wrong, but as I understand it, he was mad that the government was placing requirements for professionals working in public universities (i.e. government employees). Not sure where you are from or how the law works in Canada, but in the US, we have laws against discriminatory harassment in schools. Teachers, etc. cannot create or permit a hostile learning environment for students based on race, religion, sex, or a few other categories. Courts have upheld the consideration of gender expression as a matter of sex discrimination. If Canadian law is similar, he’s arguing for the right to create a hostile learning environment for his students. That puts an entirely different spin on his “poor me-they want to compel my speech” argument.

[@twoserve2449]

Every time I listen to Jordan's speeches I feel my lexicon and knowledge are been enriched! 😌

[@twoserve2449]

@Rick Gone Galt, I never said my spelling was getting enriched!, but thank you for the correction 😄

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

@Rick Gone Galt this is one area in which we do not have any need any pedants. You’re welcome.

[@jonmcalister1802]

Did you notice that the first thing he said is a logical fallacy?

[@pioussutherland8962]

@@jonmcalister1802 That he said a “right to force”, or what? Please help me understand.

[@jonmcalister1802]

@@pioussutherland8962 When he started to answer the question about pronouns, he says “next they’re going to tell me what adjectives we have to use.” That’s a slippery slope fallacy, and he uses that to ignore the real issue of gender dysphoria-key to the pronoun debate.

[@HemoStopRomania]

This guy is so damn smart; it's like he doesn't belong on this planet. I hope those students realize what an advantage it is to speak with Jordan Peterson.

[@desertdude8274]

Razvan MIHAIU Shame that some psychologist use their skill to manipulate people.

[@stechriswillgil3686]

No , not really . He knew how to avoid MK ULTRA attacks .

[@kaizal3161]

stop worshipping and start thinking

[@koastal_kid1234]

PREACH! We are thankful for such wisdom in the face of tyrants.

[@snackers7]

Advantage? He is smart and also can be helpful for others but why somebody treat other people like a kings? We are all people, all together. We arent supposed to worship anybody from our society! There is no connection. It doesnt mean some havent got any respect for his work. But respect not superiority!

[@edmorrison5645]

One collar in. One collar out. Ain't no government gonna tell him how to wear his shirt and jacket.

[@mtlicq]

It is cool. It's a man thing. It's a straight man thing, according to the In and Out movie that played on an airline when they played only one movie during a flight .

[@trippythecat1113]

Good call

[@mtlicq]

Amen !

[@europg81]

That's how "they" wear it

[@ThisIsSolution]

I am a pine cone, I identify as a conifer. I long for the day I can branch out of my current situation and be accepted for what I am and what I am becoming. it is murder when you cut down my family

[@TunaBagels]

As a Green Mountain Sugar Maple, I equate syrup to drinking the blood of my brothers and sisters, and I think people should really just leaf us alone.

[@iambeing4328]

ThisIsSolution prickly comment from a seedy individual. Quite right.

[@sublime88sublime]

mmm, quite right indeed.

[@iambeing4328]

Oakay then...

[@jetaddicted]

You guys are crazy. Tree of you at least.

[@madmattthehatter]

Years ago in high school I was called into principal's office and she told me I had to respect my teachers unconditionally and I replied my respect had to be earned. She shook her head saying something along the lines of how strange that was to her and how I wouldn't make it with ideas like that. I still feel the same way 20 years later.

[@billpetersen298]

You said, what many of us were thinking.

[@renzocalcagno536]

That principal was authoritaria at best, a tyrant at worst.

[@distantandvague]

Ugh. Why are all mouth breather questions 3 minutes long?

[@stevenjon6931]

Because it's not about the question, it's about the questioner demonstrating how articulate and intelligent he/she is. It's very selfish as it cuts in to everyone else's question time and reduces the amount of time people get to hear from the speaker.

[@brokenwave6125]

Exactly. Beyond 30 secs or so...it tends to just be a monologue...not a question. Sure sometimes you need to make a few statements to set up a question...but that's only a few sentences.

[@Dominian1]

The patience of the speaker is admirable. I would have snapped and asked "What's your actual question" after 30 seconds or at least at the end of the monologue, which didn't contain a question.

[@laanki445]

bloody window lickers

[@DemothHymside]

Brandon Henderson , because in an academic setting, the question also has to cover possible angles to help focus what the question is. It's also allowed the professor to give a better encompassing answer so it doesn't have to be a constant exchange.

[@Simiomonil]

"...I don't buy that for a second" Neither do I.

[@pauld9561]

Respect is earned. Never given

[@holarc]

theres is also natural human decency, which is a form of respect for all.

[@tex8939]

holarc That includes respecting scumbags and idiots in this world? Please be specific.

[@deadsoon]

JMP bah they don't, but random people on the street or people just doing their job do. deserve decency I mean.

[@tex8939]

Maruzca I get that but there's a difference between politeness and respect in which the student in the video is confused and can't grasp the distinction between the two. People seem to confuse respect with civility.

[@justicar5]

ahh that's why JBP is a loathed mindless hate bot and supporter of pedophilia (literally, if you are a Christian, you declare you support and enable the rape of kids, that is all Christianity has ever been and will ever be)

[@Kaustich]

2:19, at the end of his sentence he says "Eh?" The Canadian in him is going strong.

[@filipmihaiu4632]

Was looking for this..

[@miltonyannis3719]

I can't find it at 2:19

[@bluegiant13]

Love it when he does that ''thing'' with his hands.

[@botanicalabe]

Why are pronouns held to a higher standard? If they're so scared of hurting someone's feelings by not using the right pronoun, where's the laws about calling someone bitch?

[@TheElOcean]

There's a difference I believe. Calling someone a bitch is almost always an intended insult, while using whichever pronoun is just a part of every day discussions and speech in genera, and perhaps some feel insulted if a wrong pronoun is used. For those who support this law, it is about their basic human rights although they apparently fail to realise how it violates the same rights of other people.

[@botanicalabe]

How is it a basic human right? Respect is not a basic human right. There should be no law telling people to respect others.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

"Fuck your feelings" to put it simply.

[@coldsunknight4792]

I'm just gonna say it to no one in particular "Bitch Please"

[@poorbanishedchildrenofEve]

What if calling someone the b word assumes they identify as a female dog? It's assuming a gender of she and in that assuming a whole different species. This is so much bigger than pronouns....its indicating the accuser of being a sexist and a speciesist. Lol.

[@JeffreyQProductions]

I think everyone is entitled to kindness no matter who they deal with, but agree that respect, which I think of as something higher than simple kindness, must be earned. Is a tier above. There's no reason why everyone shouldn't just be "nice" in their daily comings and goings, but respect is above that. And if respect must be earned, than that would conversely mean that until someone has earned it you treat them... how? Rudely? However you want? I think that clarification needs to be made, but I agree with the overall statements wholeheartedly. Respect is a valuable currency and should be given to those that earn it.

[@grichl88]

I think respect actually isn't earned at all. I think it's given by people who choose to give it, and what that entails is up to them. You can't force people to respect you and you can't define how it's earned by people. But you might be able to define how it's given and why by people who believe they respect someone or something. So I suppose it is earned, but the idea that it's not given just doesn't seem to track with me.

[@holarc]

there are many forms and levels of respect. deeper civility has true wisdom, which includes respect for all living things.

[@tex8939]

Richard Garcia Respect is about deep admiration of a person or thing's quality or achievement. Don't confuse it with mannerisms. People earn the respect of others by showing others what they do.

[@claireclaire7504]

JeffreyQProductions : Some people are not entitled to anything, especially arrogant picks like you.

[@drioslegacy]

Civility is not the same thing as respect. Or, displays of civility and behavior that appears respectful is not the same thing as actually respecting someone.

[@bigsteve1664]

There's a massive difference between showing respect and having respect.

[@joem5140]

Show courtesy to all but respect those that you deem deserve it. JP always shows courtesy but it is clear he doesn't respect everyone.

[@SChristianCollins]

Yes, the former can be paid by pressing F.

[@anonony9081]

I like his comparison of respect to currency. if we are forced to give respect to everyone then we devalue what it means to respect someone. we would have to come up with a new term for when you want to show real respect to someone

[@davewalsh3885]

You can't demand respect, you earn it.

[@williamslawangle8462]

"You can't force me to respect you, but you can force me to behave like I respect you" -Jordan Peterson.

[@AmarEnergy]

When you hold the quality of respect within, you no longer require the world to provide it.

[@entoris476]

I think Jordan Peterson is incredibly smart and bright. Just by listening to him speak, you know he knows his shit.

[@MissMalevolent]

Dropping all kinds of truth bombs, all kinds.

[@11goku22]

Give me some airtime!

[@sawyersutherland34]

Personally, I would call anybody by their referred pro-nouns, no matter how weird. I feel like going out of your way to make someone feel uncomfortable is very lacking in common decency. But you can't force someone to call you what you want and if the state made that illegal, then it would be going against free speech.

[@kaulenfuhs1630]

Sawyer Sutherland how many pronouns are you willing to commit to memory?

[@12ragequit12]

I agree. I don't see it as a big deal, calling people by their correct pronouns is really not too much to ask. The problem I have though is people take it way too far. Your he or she, non-binary if you're extra special but past that it insane. But thatch my opinion, people have the right to disagree and act according to their own principles- which the government has no right to dictate.

[@tim3378]

@Nobody Lurker, There's a bit of a leap between 'common decency' and 'relationships.' Relationships (by which I take you to mean something like 'friendships') can involve a bit more than what we do as a matter of common decency.

[@annahasapotato]

Nobody Lurker I personally will do it just because I'm a nice person. (if they asked me nicely). You can't really turned people down if someone said the magic word dude. But if they just straight out say things like "I *need* you to *respect* my pronounce.", Now that's a problem.

[@mustacheglasses5765]

"going out of your way to make someone feel uncomfortable is very lacking in common decency." This statement makes the comfort and feelings of the person demanding a particular pronoun or title more important than the comfort and feelings of the person they're demanding concession from. What if it makes me uncomfortable to call a person who I know to be an old man, a little girl? So now are his (yes his) feelings more important than my feelings? We are coming to a place where these fragile little masses of dictators will not only demand that we call them by their preferred pronoun and allow them to dictate any conversation had about them, but they will (and actually are) demand sovereignty over conversation had about other people. It will come to a point where it will be reasonable for someone to say "I identify YOU as a giraffe" and you'll be out of line if you insist you aren't a giraffe.

[@jill_fisher]

Respect is earned, and that includes self-respect!

[@dannyrao3850]

Absolutely. I'm a teacher. And I give respect to even my 7 or 8 yr old kids if they earn it. Without earning it or giving it, I wouldn't even respect someone who's 60 yrs old, or even my family members.

[@joshmartling]

This guy is a genius

[@Apocalypz]

"Respect: /rəˈspekt/: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements." There is no requirement for respect, especially when someone misunderstands "respect"; however, there is a deep-rooted want for tolerance. I've no need to respect anyone, but I want to tolerate most. I believe many of us fall under that description.

[@taunokekkonen5733]

I can't imagine this forced pronoun thing being good for the person who wants to be called with a certain pronoun. It'll alienate the general public and people won't want to engage in dialogue with you. Also, I fear the law is like your mom following you to the first day of junior high school and declaring to everyone just because you still wet the bed that it's not a reason to bully you.

[@baltsosser]

He's correct. When you have to resort to use of force to enforce failed ideas...you have failed to recognize your limitations. Your Rights NEVER grant you the ability to have control over my speech.

[@maikeru01]

"who's to say what is a pronoun" imagine sincerely thinking about this. Imagine if you have so much time on your hands are so few problems in your life that you start to question what is and is not a pronoun. It's a part of speech. It's just to shorten sentences so you don't keep repeating a person's name over and over. It's not a political statement or something used to attack or affirm your identity. What the hell is wrong with people? There are a finite number of them in English and you don't choose your preference. It doesn't matter what you prefer. Male and female are concrete tangible realities. What you feel like is not what those words refer to. Only what you are. If you are offended by what you are, that is not everyone else' problem it's yours. You are the one who doesn't like yourself and doesn't want to be what you are. Me calling you what you are is not a problem. It's not a crime. It's not immoral. You have to right for other people to kowtow to your baseless whims.

[@luandesanta250]

@Ulysses Mendonça They are not impacting my private life. But they are demanding that I change the way I perceive things. It's not that I don't accept them. They don't accept themselves. And that's okay; I really don't care. But, don't enforce me to accept you if you don't do that yourself. I will be polite to you, but I will also remain truthfull to my factual way of seeing the world. I don't like to act in a false manner; and that's exactly what I would be doing If I pretended to share your views. And yes, once I agree to your, personal, expectations of interpersonal interactions, I might as well say I believe you, when you say you are, in fact, a woman/man.

[@luandesanta250]

@Ulysses Mendonça I accept their way of life. I have nothing against people's personal ways of viewing things. Just don't expect me to act like I agree with you. Hope I was able to make my point clear now.

[@tyler6621]

@Ulysses Mendonça but they're not tho. People care about biology when referring to other people. It's important. If a trans person tells a guy that they're female and they're not, then when they go to have sex the trans women might get a punch to the face because they're actually male. They lied, and weather they believe they're male or female doesn't matter. Their biology matters. Penis=male vagina=female

[@___Zack___]

@Ulysses Mendonça Too tired to add much, but the spelling is "as well", it is two words. You seem smart, figured you'd want to present that with correct spelling ;)

[@tyler6621]

@Ulysses Mendonça you can not turn a penis into a vagina. It's a hole, but not a vagina. And yes I'd still be mad because you can tell it's not a vagina and the person once had a penis. surgery cannot turn a penis into a real vagina, well atleast not yet physically

[@Slowdwood]

"You got to earn your respect"-- author unknown. I've been told this since I was a kid here in the states. To me it's common sense. Jordan Peterson is speaking clearly and logically.

[@kpe727]

"You can't force me to respect you. You can force me to ACT like I respect you, but you can't force me to actually respect you." It's amazing how many people don't get this moronically simple truth. Respect is one of the most misused terms in the English language. We variously use it to mean either "fear" or "submit to" but rarely use it when we mean actual, real Respect, which is a far more intangible and slippery concept than we like to pretend.

[@k.p.2019]

You are bang on, Dr. Peterson.

[@snowsamuraideath]

Nic S. maybe but he is still spot on

[@k.p.2019]

Are you talking to me or the Nic S. guy? I support Peterson's viewpoint here, if you haven't noticed.

[@RickF7666]

The problem, as I see it, is that people use words without actually knowing what the root definition is. I found this definition of the word Respect "a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements." But this doesn't get to the root of the definition. The problem is the word "Admiration", which is defined as "respect and warm approval." So you have two words that define each other. Admiration = Respect, but what does that mean? The root is "Value". You admire and respect that which you value. And as Jordan says, you can't force someone to value something; it can only be earned. As several other commenters have pointed out, unfortunately, most people mistake respect for courtesy/politeness/civility... All of which are about respecting society, not the individuals in it. “Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naïve, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as "empty," "meaningless," or "dishonest," and scorn to use them. No matter how "pure" their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work too well at best.” - Robert A. Heinlein

[@jamesmcinnis208]

JP's ability to refrain from yawning is admirable.

[@MrNintoku]

0:20 "I think we can all agree that we have a right to FORCE someone to address someone as they want to be addressed". No you fucking don't.

[@MrBadApple999]

I hate when people go on for 15 minutes for questions, like they just want to hear their voices. (edit) Especially when they interrupt the person giving the answer.

[@dixienormous9845]

2:20 "And that's pretty interesting, eh" He's Canadian?

[@storytunez]

yep he teaches in toronto

[@grantdavidson5069]

Dixie Normous 0:01 The huge fucking maple leaf didn't give it away? ☺

[@13tuyuti]

It´s not a male leaf. It is a non binary leaf, don´t you misgender it. (btw, my spelling corrector is Hitler, it does not believe misgender is a word)

[@grantdavidson5069]

13tuyuti Goddamn fat fikngers

[@ogunsiron2]

Yes. Should be canada's best known public intellectual imho

[@thorium9082]

This man is an icon to be admired and emulated against a world of cancel culture.

[@David-mh7tt]

It's so nice that these conversations are public, on the internet for everyone to watch

[@BigGamingBossMan]

True

[@brendanmcpike184]

I really hope that student could appreciate that answer. If he can't then that's on him and his ideological views.

[@coldstreamer9574]

It really is a shame we don’t have people like this man, his ideas and common sense in power across western society.

[@johnhasse3995]

treating an individual civilly is not exactly respect. A modicum of politeness (while reciprocal) seems rather pre-requisite to conversation and thought.

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

Yep. Besides the fact that NOBODY is opting to FORCE people to respect others, which is an impossibility to begin with (no-one serious, that is; There always are zealots on the fringes of every position, of course). Peterson, raising his voice, saying: _"You can't force me to respect you"_ is therefor a horridly demagogic strawman.

[@marshalironsides8777]

@@BorisNoiseChannel No one can force me to respect them, but oh boy ....you'd be amazed at the respect I can come by and I use force like it's mustard. I just slather it right on, nice and thick. Then, when they get a little strumpy I kick it up a few thousand notches. You see, this generation z needs to be forced. They need their autonomy taken from them because they have conceived absolutely NO useful purpose for their freedom. Therefore it is perfectly moral and right and inevitable that they should lose it. When THE BIGGEST thing you can conceive is choosing your own pronouns because you like gay sex, ....yeah you have no purpose.

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

@@marshalironsides8777 Maybe we should define _'respect'_ first, before I reply to all that. (like: what the nerdy schoolkids feel for their bullies: would you call that _respect?_ Then: what the bleep has one's autonomy got to do with the usefulness of what they did with their freedoms? Also: w

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

@@marshalironsides8777 I think we might need to define _'respect'_ first, before I respond to that mustard stuff (nice prose, though!). Also: I haven't got a clue on A: what bases you conclude that folks discussing a single topic, automatically means that the topic is all the debaters are about, B: that this makes them _"useless"_ and _'without any purpose'_ (to whom or what?) and C: why this undefined _usefulness_ should be a criteria (a reason) for taking people's autonomy away (lock 'm up? Or What?). Or in short: what does _having a purpose_ got to do with the human rights of today? If I chose to get of into the woods, living a hermit's life, does this mean my autonomy should be up for grabs, due to _uselessness?_ (to whom, exactly?) Even if _jerking off at 12 o'clock exactly each day_ was the BIGGEST thing I've conceived of?

[@johnhasse3995]

@@BorisNoiseChannel I'm not sure the 'government ' isn't that stupid.