The Truth about FPS in your Break Barrel Air Rifle: 5 rifles Examined

A discussion of realistic numbers for a spring piston air rifle.

[@martinkelsey275]

Good accurate information, no nonsense no sales talk etc, like the message on the shirt god bless

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you Martin 🙂👍

[@RealAirgunAdventures]

A good honest look at the real fps of these rifles. It's good to see someone talking sense 👌.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍.

[@klrdto3250]

Great video, informative and to the point, super fast review of several different air rifles. Love it!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@whathahk]

I been shooting air rifles since I was a kid and own a couple classic Benjamins pumps and love them, I also own A crossman break springer and love it also, though a bit harder to shoot on target but still fun! I love when I find new info about springers! Never know enough! Thank you for all you do!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

You are welcome 🙂👍

[@treada1583]

Here is a man that knows his stuff

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@TruthIsTheNewHate84]

I love your hoodie.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@powerplay4real174]

I appreciate you sharing your information and knowledge of Air Rifles and especially Spring Powered versions 🌜💥🌛

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you so much. I highly appreciate you 🙂👍.

[@kennethrenock6588]

Thank you I learned it off a lot from you today I on the feet per second now I just have to go back and remember which gun I want that you showed

[@lounaticlouie]

Great video. I've learned to tune my own guns. 12fpe in .177 and 20fpe in .20 or .22. Diana, Weirauch and Air Arms. One gas ram, an HW90 in .20. It's a great gun.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@simplemann556]

Like your hoodie👍I like how your videos are real/simple no fancy editing and music.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@edwardsyrek6737]

Yes, Jesus our soon returning Lord!

[@lawrencehud]

You are the only guy I have found that actually would like to modify a gas piston to a spring piston. I completely agree with your assessment of gas piston guns and I seriously don't understand those who say they shoot smoother (I have an F4 that kicks like and angry mule on steroids)! I am on a quest to see if Vortek or anyone else can provide me with the parts to convert my F4 to a steel spring. I would think that Crosman ( and all other manufacturers as well use the same cylinder for both gas ram and springers). If I can find the parts it would be my first serious gun smithing project and I think it would be fun. I know an F4 is a low end choice for an expensive upgrade, but I just want to see if it can be done. Thanks for a great video, I love your perspective on airguns and on life - best part of your video is your sweat shirt! Keep the faith brother!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you Lawrence. I definitely think this conversion is possible. But first step is going to be to getting into your rifle, take measurements and pictures. The maker of Marcari spring guides is also known for producing spring's and kits that have a more mild shot cycle 🙂👍.

[@adamthehuman7912]

what would be the pros/cons of a spring from gas piston conversion, i find its very quite and not a lot of recoil and can work the barrel easily , havent tired a true single pump spring *tried a few multi pumps but those are eh a plinking .177 airgun imo, i wouldnt mind a lot more recoil and or sound if it meant a higher fpe *i mean its fine as is but if its a semi-easily done conversion and has benfiits over the gas pistons (idk if its marketing hype or they actually are good, but i like the air rifle i have a lot to the point id rather put in money to modify and improve it as there isnt anything else under 300-200usd that ive liked as much , the gas piston compared to say a 30-06 bolt, deff is underwhelming *good for you ears but idk i like it loud call me an old head haha @@springpistonriflefeverlone9611

[@brostelio]

What I've seen with gas pistons is that you really need to stick with a quality manufacturer, of which I think only Theoben and Weihrauch fit the bill. Then absolutely tune it down to where you're in the mid-700 to low 800 FPS range (in .22). That is then the smoothest and most predictable break barrel experience you can possibly have.

[@billwaterson9492]

Great honest analysis. I've been waiting for the development of electric motor powered piston airguns.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Lol 😆👍

[@Temiliano08]

Little tool/die maker trick. Take the pin out of your RWS that keeps sliding out. Get a ball bearing, set it in the hole on each side and smack it with a hammer (not too hard but hard enough). It will close the hole up by .01-.015 of an inch at a time. This will solve the problem of the pin falling out. And won’t effect anything else.

[@joshuagibson2520]

Peen it!

[@wesbodine6102]

You don't have to do that there is supposed to be an E clip in the center of the pin to retain it 4mm size the pin has a groove machined into the center for the E clip to snap into.

[@wesbodine6102]

@@joshuagibson2520 Don't peen anything it's not necessary Get a 4mm E clip and snap it over the pin in the back of the cocking arm, the pin has a groove in the center for the clip to snap into.

[@peterbaugh51]

Spot on. There are some great budget air guns now in 177. I dont use 22 now. For info; Beeman 10616, 0.31" groups @ 30 yards. 998 fps with RWS 8.3 gr Superdome Field Line pellets, 18.3 fpe, silencer, 28 lb cocking, no droop, has open sights, very quiet. Nine pounds with scope. I shoot it like a deer rifle. Test group shouldered with front rest, light grip, 9x scoped. Jsb shoots no better but costs 5x more. The gun out shoots me even as a marksman. Much fun, smooth quiet spring, love this gun. Added a Tasco 3-9x 40mm AO scope and sling, a whopping $190 total package. Comes with a scope good for 20 yds or less. RWS superdomes are 2.6 cents each. They work well at low and high velocities. The gun is rated at 1,200 fps and shoots 1,085 fps with 7.0 gr lead pellets. Gotta love German engineering.

[@danielclapp636]

I own a Diana 34 classic and personally love it for plinking and squirrel management. Open sights and Ruger Superpoint 1.1g pellets is what it likes. Good video..

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Very nice 🙂👍

[@danielclapp636]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Do you happen to know the actual fps of this rifle in .22? Advertised as 800 fps. Thanks..

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@danielclapp636 I don't have one, but I have watched many videos on the Diana 34 22. I actually had one in 177 years ago and sold it regrettably. Depending on the altitude, pellet weight & fit, and if the piston seal and breach seal are in good condition, they are generally getting in the low 700's with Crosman Premier Hollow Point 14.3 pellets. That means 15-16 FPE. More than enough energy and speed to take out any rabbit 🐰 or squirrels 🐿️ Don't get too cought up in manufacturers claims of high FPS. It's all distorted hype or a flat out lie, to impress potential customers into buying their products. I hope that helps you some 🙂👍.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@danielclapp636 This is a older video. I think that he is at a higher altitude? Link below 👇🙂👍. kzbin.info/www/bejne/imTaoKmpgNl3rsU

[@danielclapp636]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 That I believe about all the hype. Thanks for the 15-16 FPE comment. Have read about it in other comments but never knew what mine might be. Central Maine, thanks👍

[@edwardsyrek6737]

Amen Brother, thank you for reviews.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

You are welcome 🙂👍

[@bigjsoutdoorsairguns9007]

Mornin! I hope a lot of people see this video. Especially folks that are new to airguns. These manufacturers know that most people don't have a chronograph and won't be checking.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Yes 👍. I hate that these companies believe that they need to lie to the customers to get sales. They really need to be educating people instead of blowing hot air.

[@tonybranton]

They’re making these claims with superlight alloy pellets. Too light a pellet allows the piston to slam home. If they cared about their customers they’d tell the truth and say keep all the bedding screws tight. Check them for loosening after every few shots. Use a little blue locktite and every few hundred rounds put a drop of silicone oil into the transfer port and keep the barrel and cocking levers oiled with a heavy oil. Don’t use oils with a low flashpoint on the breech seal as it will cause dieseling which can wreck your springer. Pcp’s and pumps don’t make pressure spikes so they don’t diesel. Just be honest and pass along info like this and they would have loyal and happy customers.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@tonybranton I agree 👍

[@nutthrower4415]

Good to hear about the Gas Piston rifles, always thought I’d prefer one but not after hearing your thoughts on them. I have an R-1 and love it. New to your channel, have you Sud’d 👍

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@stevechessum2854]

I'm from the UK and the legal limit without an FAC licence is sub 12-ft lb and I personally find that good enough for accuracy. Good chanel by the way.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you Steve. I agree, you usually don't need this big power, but I had the RWS 350 Magnum N-Tec Classic 22 out last weekend and made a video if you wanted to check it out 🙂👍👇. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWrEd6iGjMpkbqM

[@kevinbursey7284]

Bless you brother !

[@wesbodine6102]

On your Diana 350 have you checked to see if the E clip is installed in the cocking arm pin?, if not the pin will move all over the place and can work sideways enough to gouge your stock. I found this out the hard way after reassembling my model 34. It takes a 4mm E clip that goes in that little opening where the cocking arm folds together on the back side of the pin hole, there is a little groove machined into the pin that the E clip snaps into.

[@DadWil]

Very well done ... I ran my Air guns over a chrono a while back ... all were in the 700-800 fps range... I thought it was wear on the gas seals lose of compression... I know better now thank you

[@adamthehuman7912]

my chrono on purchase showed some GOOOD FPE and fps, *(.22 hastan est 800-780fps with jsb 18.3, the chrono was for 12grn and it was hitting good, with closer to 1k with lower loads, is there a DIY choro that doesnt cost more than the airgun itself lol, would be interested in seeing its fpe/fps with heavier jsb, and after its been broken in

[@DadWil]

@@adamthehuman7912 The chrono I used is a optical screen unit that cost ~ $40... that I got it off either Ebay or AliExpress... About the same price of a cheep airgun

[@Wingman115]

Great topic. To many folks are crazy about the numbers whey shot placement it the key.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@rameshnoone]

Please do for a daina 54: airking in .177 and will it stops breaking scope by putting a daina zero recoil monut for scope safety

[@kageodst1]

To covert to coiled steel spring look up Custom airseals Australia. I converted my Gamo silent cat to an overcharged IGT piston and that kittie BARKS! I later swapped the original steel spring back in with some shims and I tuned it with molybdenum to smooth out the shot cycle and control some of that jump. MACH 1 .22 are some amazingly accurate and powerful air rifles though they do shatter scopes and I've had to remove my scope and go iron sights cause of the issues I was having with the scope after a few thousand shots. Great video btw

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you so much 🙂👍

[@adamthehuman7912]

wooooould this work on non gamo-brand- and is this an easy thing to do and or do smiths do something like this - also what were the fpe gains of supersonic .22 i mean if not like doubled don't think i want to mess with the already wild scope breaking piston - idk WHY all these breakbarrels are mainly scoped only if they bust them am GLAD i went adjustable irons they uh dont shift thankfully tho hatsan if you read this stuff USE ACTUAL TRITIUM rods and not cheap green plastics- it ruins feel aesthetic also messes with you in afternoon lighting , glows...... lol , and reflects FAR to much light at night, considering switching out for an actual TRITIUM NV eg what you see on a fn 5.7, very nice for low lighting as tree cover can make it dark even in the middle of the day *(dusk conditions) , also i imagine shooting way harder spring would destroy frame and rifle faster? i feel some wear on the cheaper parts eg cheaper scope and some of the plastics - had to adust hold so i don't bend the front of the hold, eh i found the problem with this video at least and explains why zeroing the scope was missing, i thought i was loosing my edge lmfao, nope litterally was moving and then i compensate lol, well i just hope they either make better scope mount kits and railing systems and or adjustable irons to kinda even the gap, as break barrel rifles are my new favorite kind as far as ease of use accuracy reliability and affordability ive seen some crazy strong .177 even which is impressive these pistons can hit harder than the weaker pcps even fpe wise, like nothing short of impressive- just wish they had friggen rail mounts - all i really need tbh is a good pic laser and iorns - annoying as i tried to mount one but i feel ON PURPOSE rail is too low for a standard compact laser on the top rail (which would have just been my goto- ideally zero the optic the the laser THRU it, and bam - but its toooo low - idk if they have a kit to rasie or lower attatchements - for weaver - not nearly as familliar as i awalys go picatinny if possible - reverse.universally compatible - looking into adding 1-2 side rails of pic , if it doesnt affect function or frame

[@Jingels3]

Hello there, very nice review. I have the Gamo black 10 maxim Igt Mach 1 .22 cal with the standard scope 3-9×40 I've shot it for at least 500 times now and the scope is still good, so probably the scope stop with is standard does his job.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Gamo makes some good scopes and rifles🙂👍

[@mileshodge3477]

I have a hatsan 130 .30 cal gas piston break barrel and it advertises 590 to 600 fps but its more like 550 top out. Love that shirt by the way.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you Miles🙂👍

[@d.b.94]

You are so right about FPS. I have a question about a video you did on a gamo varmint on how you fixed the coil from make noise. I can not find the link to that video. I also have a varmint and have the same problem. Can you help me out please on that video.👍

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

😀👍kzbin.info/www/bejne/foWVeYqLltqHo5I

[@JaceBell]

Those are nice rifles. I really like the hood over the fiber optic sights. I think a gun looks naked without open sights.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

The hooded front sights on a Weihrauch are even nicer 🙂👍

[@BackyardDispatcher]

I have that same glass , nice discussion , it's all about placement when it comes to dispatching the fps hasn't been a selling factor for me , I look at what the Olympic shooters use, subbed earned nice RWS too .

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@hernanperez-middleton9447]

with my benjamin vaporizer .22 NP2 the only optic worked was a fixed one KONUS in 4x32 or 4x40 or so with no adjustable parts

[@rshettle123]

Talk about hard cocking, have you ever shot the Weihranch HW90 Gas Ram? I just recently bought one in .20 caliber. The .20 is a favored pellet of mine. Shooting JSB 13.73 gr pellets, I have no idea the velocity or power but I get only a 2.5 inch drop at 50 yards zeroed at 30. It's a heavy rifle and the recoil gets soaked up by the weight of it very nicely. Accuracy has been outstanding with the pellets I use.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I don't have the 90, but I do have the 80, 95, 77 and 30s😃👍

[@bruceallen6016]

My understanding is they use the lightest alloy (non lead) pellets available to achieve published velocities, not the lead pellets we would use for pest eradication. I too wish they would publish real world velocity but they are trying to sell their product. I want to set up my chronograph one of these days to prove one way or another. I also watched videos that state best accuracy is achieved at lower velocity like sub 900 fps. I think accuracy is more important than velocity. Thumb up for the video. 😎

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@modelnutty6503]

yes, they should be telling us FPE at the muzzle, because there are so many different pellet weights.

[@wesbodine6102]

I love my Diana 350, it's a .22 It's super accurate, it took me a while to figure out how it liked to be held when fired but with several different types of pellets it will make 1/4" three shot groups at 25 yards, if I'm having a really good day I can get 5 into a 1/4". I didn't read all the comments, but I hope you didn't peen the cocking arm pin LOL! Very good video by the way 👍

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you so much!😃👍 I did finally get the problem fixed, but the gas piston in this rifle is very destructive.

[@rshettle123]

They are advertising the muzzle velocity with the lightest pellet available but your velocity and energy will be much reduced down range, depending on how far.

[@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner]

I think you are spot on with this video too many people get caught up in the speed hype. I recently did a video with a co2 rifle shooting under 500fps and I took a squirrel with it this morning, so accuracy is always king

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I fully agree 🙂👍.

[@sqhunter65]

I agree I have a Daina chaser in 22 cal with the long barrel. I think it mite shoot 500 hundred feet a second. I take small game out too 30 yards know problem.

[@whathahk]

Yeah I was one of those...... Didn't know that any pellet over 1000' become unstable and greatly reduces accuracy! Seem 900FPS is a good top speed, But agree energy is king in air rifles! Didn't know way back that the ole Benjamin Pumps would only produce 600FPS and we killed many birds and squirrel back in the day!

[@rayfoster6980]

A game changer for me is the Diana Bullseye ZR scope mount.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

What rifle are you using it on?

[@rayfoster6980]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I should have mentioned. It’s on a Diana model 48 with a 4-16 by 44 ao Diana scope. I was skeptical at first but my rifle quit wrecking scopes and it’s still as accurate as it always was. I just saw a ‘combo’ from Hammers, recoil absorbing mount with built in barrel droop compensation with their 3-9 by40 ao scope for about $90 on eBay..

[@Keith-wz1tw]

I appreciate your shirt. Very informative. He is worthy!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Jesus Christ is our only hope

[@hokz7283]

Amen to that

[@MrRockstar1968]

Have you considered the zero recoil scope mounts? And I'm not referring to Gamo mount that comes with the Gamo rifles. I would send a link to such mounts though youtube tends to delete messages sent with links. I'd advice doing an online search for zero recoil mounts.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍. I saw lots of mixed reviews. Some were saying it worked great, others were saying that it fell apart or would not keep zero.

[@MrRockstar1968]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I'm wondering if some of the mixed reviews are based on different brands and quality of these mounts or maybe also other factors.

[@sentijmr1582]

With all kinds of questions coming in,i'd like to ask an advice on how to hold over and hold under a scope ,mounted on a break barrel.I've been facing unpleasant shot placements at zero (which fluctuates from time to time).Moreover, what are the most possible signs that a scope mounted on a break barrel airgun is broken?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

If all stock and scope mount screws are tight and you have a pellet that was working good, but now is not, most likely it's a broken scope. It could also be a broken main-spring, but velocity would drop off and you will know that if you have a chronograph. For knowing hold over and hold under, nothing works better than multiple targets, at multiple distances. I hope that helps you 🙂👍.

[@sentijmr1582]

Thank you.

[@adamthehuman7912]

i have watched this twice and plan a third, its crazy, your whole video is full, of information!!!! my lord thank you for being so informative- you know your stuff!!! and i like how you talk fpe, and mention you don't or wont get supers lmfao and even if you did reallly? a lot of the appeal is not going deaf for me lmfao

[@adamthehuman7912]

also explains why my scope is a bit off to the right with the SUPER piston vortex system- i mean it kills trees but apparently the scope too, knowing this i honestly am going to get either pro mounted better optic- eh or just use irons - tbh irons dont shift and like idk the scope is annoying its useful but i noticed after a few clips in the hatsan the scope shifted a quarter inch :/ looking at it rn, so while not DESTROYED it prob is damaged and will be so thank you- may have saved whats left of it and last thing i need is it breaking off on the GD RAIL cant get it off and its useless lmfao , deff unmounting scope and storing for now please keep making informative videos like this idk if you cover cleaning - for storage , would love to know more about that - other than hiking i want to get a lil safe for it when im not using it. -edit- got a flathead took off optic, zero'd out to 100yrds the adjustable optic, first shot dead on second and third i thought i missed, same hole so close it was not even seen untill i walked up *so grouping and aim are consistent now * the scope i noticed had to be recalibrated every other clip and found that odd... thought it was the wind or something , now im on irons and all in all much better thank you again for this vid! really wish they included links to videos like this and how to prime heavy springs *the slap* - its not even in the friggen manual as far as i read any of this lol

[@user-hc6tt2sv7m]

Praise the Lord !! A very informative video indeed.( Watching from India 😊 )

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you so much!😃👍

[@beakfish7319]

i love your shirt!

[@NunchucksHabit]

I was looking at the Gama varmint, and since I'm in Canada, it's limited to 495fps. I'm obviously wanting to increase the FPS to something like 800fps while maintaining accuracy. I'm super new to the mods, so I'm assuming manually stretching the spring with a flat-head screwdriver is all I need to do. Anyone have any advice on whether I'm better off with a crack-open spring-piston powered rifle like that, or are there other propulsion systems that are easier to mod to get better FPS? Thanks, all!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

First of all thank you for checking out my video 🙂👍. Second, make sure that you don't get into trouble for increasing your power. Third, if you drill out your air-port hole, you will get more power, but if you don't have any restrictions, you could but a nother more powerful rifle 🙂👍.

[@NunchucksHabit]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Thank you, sir! I have a PAL & a Restricted license so a mod on a pellet rifle won't get me in trouble - unless I sell it. I'm looking at reasonably priced retail here only, but the 495 fps limit is simply unusable for me. Like the channel, thanks!

[@peraz968]

Nice shirt man!👌👍

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@pnotuner1]

I love shooting my well broken in GAMO BigCat 1400. But I know what it sounds like when a pellet breaks the sound barrier. I'm not sure that I have ever had a pellet from that gun break supersonic.

[@nathanwest4670]

Thank you for this video I haven't finished watching it yet but the first thing you said about being able to dispatch your game humanely is very important to me. I can't stand how Canada has a stupid law that allows our air guns to not go over 500 ft per second without a license. Most of the Canadian de-tuned air rifles shoot at about 400 to 450 ft per second if you're lucky. Generally the first thing I do is take them apart and see if the American piston is in it or if they replace it with a Canadian lower compression piston, or if there's a bleeder hole drilled into it the Piston face, the next I checked the spring to see if they just simply put a weaker spring in it. For example I can never get these detuned Canadian Air rifles to diesel which tells me they don't generally make enough compression to diesel the darn pellets. For example I have a stoeger and I absolutely love that aie rifle. But it is a Canadian detune stoger therefore although very accurate it's wimpy and it doesn't drop small game like squirrels like it should it doesn't expand the hollow points as it should. So I like watching videos like yours to give me an idea of what other things I should be checking out and looking at to increase power but not only do increase power but also keep the accuracy correct and all of that. In other words being careful to not throw the whole system off. So thank you for your video I appreciate it

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@nathanwest4670 You are welcome!😃👍

[@kouroshdavoudi7828]

My friend the reason the cocking pin on your RWS 350 is moving from side to side is a missing C clip which goes in the slot to hold that pin steady,the C clip is very tiny and a pain to place it without missing it😊

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 👍 I figured that out a while ago.

[@goingoutonmyshield2811]

Yeah i got the Gammo Whisper, it says 1300 FPS I always questioned the topicality of that measurement.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

They do it to promote sales.

[@TheWeaponizedHippie]

Good video brother, telling it like it is. I'm liking that Walther too. As far as scopes go - I haven't shock destroyed a Hawke scope yet, they seem to hold up well to hard punching springers although I haven't tried one my Gamo Maxxim Elite gas ram yet.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Hawke Air Max is a great scope 🙂👍

[@tonybranton]

I’ve heard good things about the Hammers scopes for Magnum Springers too. Things change so frequently nowadays it’s hard to say. Leupold and Burris used to be hard to beat but today you have to spend $1,000 to get what we paid $300 for in the 80’s and the Varix3 is junk now IMO. I still use vintage Leupold and Burris Scopes and they work. On WHATEVER I put them on. I learned to intuitively hold over back many years ago so I don’t use mil dot unless they’re actually mils. 3.6 inches at 100 yds. Variables don’t represent this unless they’re first focal plane so I set my old 4.5-14 Leupold on 10X so it’s an accurate representation of a mil. I further tune it with a tape measure at 50 yds to check it. Lots goes into repeating accuracy. Most people don’t have the discipline to chase it down. The first super hot day and all that goes out the window and they can’t figure out why and they give up. A shootist is a shooter in all seasons

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@tonybranton Even in -20°F lol. I've done some shooting in cold temps like this but my fingers cry, lol.

[@tonybranton]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 and the springs break in extreme cold as I understand it… doesn’t get that cold here but I have friends in Canada that shoot and have had it happen. There’s a workaround but I forget. I’m a fair weather shooter now that I’m 60 yrs old. I call pellet saving weather….

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@tonybranton I've never had a spring break due to cold weather 🌡️☁️, but I suppose it's possible. Coldest 🥶I have done target 🎯 practicing was 17 below 0. 🥶 Actually it's a chronograph test.

[@bernardvanderveen7656]

Mine gamo hunter extreme .22 shoots H&N ftt at 275 m/s does a good 27.5 fpe. The benjamin trail npxl .22 does little lower 265m/s 26.2 fpe. Theoben eliminator .25 Ftt 250m/s 31 fpe

[@arcangel1858]

Please test those rifles with alloy pellets like it says in the box.. .I'm curious to see if the numbers will change ..nice video btw.👍👍👍

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍. I will not test with alloy pellets because they wreck air rifles. The piston has very little resistance, because of the lightweight pellet, causing piston slam. It's like a car driving into a wall with no cushion in front of them. This breaks mainsprings and crushes piston seals and when either, or both are damaged you lose FPS and energy. This is something the industry will not tell you, all they want to do is pump you up about a fast air rifle and take your money. The industry doesn't care if your air rifle doesn't last, all that they care about is that you keep on buying their rifles. And by industry, I mean all the companies that pushed these outrageous FPS. Weihrauch and Air Arms don't push big FPS, they deliver quality.

[@Cronoviajero]

You are right on. This is not an honest review.

[@peterbaugh51]

Alloy will go supersonic and damage seals. Bad. And give me only steel springers thanks. Much less failure, lower total cost of ownership. Get a quality brand, not bells and whistles....

[@treada1583]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I have a lot to learn on these, just started getting into this, thanks

[@BLACKWOLF-1911]

Could you explain how to zero a scope on a break barrel rifle? You have to keep the gun from moving but you have to move it to break the barrel open!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

If I hit left of the target 🎯 I turn the adjustment knob to the right. If I hit high 🎯 then I crank it low 😃👍.

[@rshettle123]

Zero for 20 yards first. You'll likely be zero at 30 as well due to rise and fall of the pellet. First zero on a vertical line for left right windage. Second, adjust scope for elevation, high or low. Your scope will tell you what direction to turn to pull the point of impact. So, if you're hitting left of a vertical line you'll want to turn the knob in the direction showing right which is the direction you want your impact to go. Same with up and down. Just start with getting a vertical line center zero first. Once you're zeroed at 20 yards, move your target to 30 yards to see where your hitting at that distance. You can decide then if you want to re-zero for 30. If low, re-zero at 30. If a little high, leave it as is.

[@ripp3rjak934]

I just purchased a crosman 357 dual ammo gun. And it says 465fps with regular bbs And it can use pellets but at 435 fps. So just wondering can it be used for home defenfe if i use Hornet pellets?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

The FPS claims on the CO2 are going to be much lower than what they claim. The first few shots will be faster and it will gets lower as you shoot the pistol. This is a fun plinking revolver CO2, but that's all it is. It's good for shooting pop cans and paper targets. This would be one of the worst home defense pistols. A shotgun would be a 1000 times better for home defense. If you are not allowed to have a firearm, the next best thing would be a baseball ⚾ bat and this would also be 10 times better than a CO2 pistol. Just make sure that you have a baseball glove in case this ever would end up in court to show that your baseball bat was a last resort and that you are not normally a violent person. This would help protect you in court.

[@ripp3rjak934]

@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Yeah I don't know about that. It's got enough power to puncture through someone face and even go througg clothing. With a few modifications or even desieling pellets. It can stop a perpetrator dead in his tracks. No amount of Adrenaline is gonna cancel out a pellet in the eye. Theres a channel on KZbin that showcases pellets like fast flights or Gamo Lethals able to puncture through Propane tanks and Even car doors. I think there's a misconception about these pellets guns since they don't use gunpowder they aren't are deadly.. They're just called LESS Lethal. But Lethal regardless

[@ripp3rjak934]

@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWTbk2mdmd55jcksi=f-yj6Qu3gR6Uwroi This is Lethal Gunners channel and he tests out different pellets on a car door. Trust Me. You'll have a new found respect for these pellet rifles

[@Letsroll000]

I dont play with air rifles that often, but I do hand loading and bullet casting for years on all of my other guns. But I've had that Gamo Varmint for a number of years, always impressed at how accurate. I grew up on the old Crossman 760 from the 80's, lot different than the newer models it seems, not sure why. Anyway, I bought my son a Stoeger 3000C yesterday. Was impressed with the build quality and feel of it. Your opinions on that rifle? Would have went for the 4000 model or higher velocity but this is only his 2nd rifle coming from a cheap daisy that blew up. Wanted to keep power moderate for now. Liked and subscribed to your channel, great vids.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you for your subscription Brad🙂👍. I don't know a lot about Stoegers. I had a friend that had an underlever Stoeger and it broke on him. Before that you said it was pretty accurate. I saw on Midway USA that it was like about 100 dollars. That's not too bad of a price for a fun little plinker. Practice with it much, try a variety of pellets and see how it works out 🙂👍

[@treada1583]

my mom bought me this Crossman 760 for Christmas around 1970 , this is one of the Christmas's I remember🤭

[@Letsroll000]

Yes sir great memories!

[@sqhunter65]

Hey I like the video, And yes there needs to be much more trancurrency in the relation between accuracy, And feet per 2nd and foot pounds of energy. That gamo is A-scope killer, I myself own 2 gamo Swarms, a hatsan airtac,and a 30 cal hatsan Carnivore. If you place high quality scopes on them they won't come out as easy. They also need to clarify that. They advertise these are air guns friendly scopes. They can withstand the shock, Yeah for a little while. I have good luck with UTG Scopes, But I have to admit I've sent a few back. They warranty them for life but no one tells you how long the life is they don't know, If and the rep has stated so to me. I'm not sure I agree with you on the difference Between a Springer and a gas ram. I believe they both are equally damaging. Great video though someone needed to do it.😅

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙂👍

[@sarys73]

When I was in the 4th grade I had a Daisy 880, eventuaklly broke, but I kept pumping over pumping it daily, and it eventually gave out. Then dad bought me a Marksman break barrel, and one day it just broke in half. I was standing there with barrel & cocking level just hanging in one hand, and the other hand was holding the stock. lol I was so pissed, I just threw it in the trash. I never bought another Air Rifle. Now 39 yrs later I think I want one. Don't know what I want though, as I know nothing about them. Break Barrel snapping in two really makes me not want to buy one again, but from what I've read they will last longer than a pumper. I don't want to pay over $250 though because at that price I may as well just savea little more and buy a supressor for my .22lr. My question to you or anyone who reads this, do I get a Walter Parrus, or the Winchester 1101s, or the Winchester 1977xs? Which order would you rate these from best of the lot to worst?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Sounds like your stock screws came loose, and when you went to break your action open, only the barrel and compression chamber pivoted up while the stock stayed in your hands. Most likely it was not broken, just the stock screws came loose. With spring piston rifles, the screws need to be cleaned with alcohol and then use blue loctite to secure them. If you use a scope make sure you use blue loctite on the bolts. Spring and gas piston rifles will vibrate screws loose, that is why you need blue loctite. They no longer make the Walther Parrus, and the Winchester might not be the best pick. I highly recommend the Hatsan 95 22, being sold at Pyramid Air or Airgun Depot for 125 dollars. It is always possible to get a lemon, but knowing what to look for is very important. Please research my videos on the Hatsan 95 22. God bless! 😃👍

[@sarys73]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Okay ty

[@johndoee3850]

What is your favorite of these 5,thanks.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

The Gamo Hornet Maxxim 22 for garden clearing. The Walther Parrus 22 for long distance shooting, hunting and cutting through the wind🙂👍.

[@MisterBaker5]

Yep, my first Gamo magnum destroyed scopes, then itself. That Walther Parrus you have would be my pick of those. Oh, I see Dianna have a 350 with a sporing listed on their website.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

If I could afford it right now, I would get the Diana 350 Magnum 22. 🙂👍 BTW what happened to your Gamo Magnum?

[@MisterBaker5]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Well after two or three scopes I noticed it would keep centre. Started to pull it apart... scope rings stop pin had carved a channel out the back of the barrel, rear scope mount block had done similar (soft metal) and the hinge bolt for the break barrel had snapped in half. The hole mess went in the bin.. no more chineese made airrifles for me.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@MisterBaker5 Wow, that is crazy. Too much power and not built tough enough. BTW Gamo is made in Spain 🙂👍.

[@MisterBaker5]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Spain and China. Ye have to becareful with which model you get.

[@adobo6905]

Marketing and truth run parallel the only difference is how close or how far the two parallel lines are running.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Airgun marketing is running off the rails. Example: Gamo Magnum 177, 1650 FPS? Not.

[@AIRSTREAMRIFLES]

Hey bud thanks for sharing this very informative is there anything they can do to improve pistons gas rams ? And that RWS pin I heard so much about good quality 😮

[@brettbaker5599]

Might be one of the Chinese ones. The Chinese make some great airguns. Some don't want to pay for the necessary QC though.

[@AIRSTREAMRIFLES]

@@brettbaker5599 my Beeman double barrel is Chinese made and it’s accurate durable u can tell it’s Chinese cheap but boy is it pretty accurate that blew my mind

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@brettbaker5599 It says made in Germany.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I actually heard a lot of no good about this rifle. I would trade it in a heartbeat for a Diana 34 177. I believe that if a gas piston rifle was built on a similar platform of the Diana 54 Air King, a moving rail system, it would save many scopes.🙂👍

[@tonybranton]

I have a 1990’s Diana 48 the barrel came loose in! I’m going to drill it and put two cold rolled pins in it. They along with green lock tite should hold it. I plan to shoot it until I wear it out. If I knew the alloy I’d weld it. I have a computer contrilled heat treat furnace and I’m a qualified tig welder so I could fix it PERMANENTLY and I may do it anyway but a springer slams so hard it needs to be done right if it’s welded. What may prove serviceable on one thing may snap the first time under impact.

[@jasonnealey8325]

No antibeartrap on the RWS , kind of scary I never saw anyone decock a breakbarrel before and didn't know it was possible, everyone warns about holding the barrel at all times when loading the breech. Do you feel like it's Dangerous? I agree with the comments about being honest about the FPS . What do you think about the Chinese Beeman RS2 ? I have one and people seem to hate on it. It spits out 14.3 discovery pellets at 720 + . It strikes me as very powerful. My other gun 177 cal Gamo its an old on Gamo Blackcat 1100 pre cat or sat triggers , I was at big 5 and talking about airguns to the saleman and the clerk says you interested in clearance models. I said yeah and he came out with this riffle no box and cheapo scope for $60 dollars . This riffle makes me look like a pro shooter I can hole in hole off hand at 12 yards and it's not really me. This riffle kind of freaks me out in its consistent placement. I'm not able to shoot like this even with my PCP . It doesn't seem terribly powerful and is easy or even very easy to cock . Gamo makes a nice riffle, I don't really like the whisper series with the big tapered cooking aid / moderators. It just looks too Sci fi to me looks like the spat guns in the John Carter of Mars series.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I saw a Beeman RS2 Elkhorn on Amazon for 195 dollars, seemed a little expensive. Personally I have no experience with the rifle, but it might be Okay. Sounds like you got a good Gamo🙂👍. On decocking, there is always risk with operation of all air rifles. An anti bear trap is not 100% fail safe and you should always hold the barrel. Personally, I remove all bear traps from my rifles if possible. I always hold the barrel or under lever when loading. I like the ability to decock my rifle if I'm not going to take a shot, for what ever reason and it's nice to always have a pellet loaded, uncocked, ready for a pest or a surprise hunting opportunity that otherwise might be missed because of the game getting away.

[@jasonnealey8325]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 it never even occurred to me about de- cocking but it's a much better option than having to load a pellet and find a place to shoot it I do that or I shoot 3 cleaning pellets out of it , being able to decock actually makes a lot of sense . In a way it's safer

[@strannick2212]

What is your criteria for determining fps?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I use a chronograph. FPS will change with different pellet weights. I think the lightest 22 caliber lead pellet is the RWS Hobby 11.9 grain.

[@lukevaughan8202]

wish i watched this before i put a new spring in my gun would still have my scopes . my gun was shooting at 9 ft they said in advert it shoots 1000 tested it it was 565 .. i put new spring was shooting 12ftp at 830 and destroyed my scopes with in 5 weeks

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Sorry to hear that 😕

[@maxkielbasa6079]

do spring pistons get more powerful when they break in?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

They can climb up in power, but more importantly, more consistent.

[@maxkielbasa6079]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 thanks

[@freemoney3723]

Needing to take out groundhogs and a scope that can hold up.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

That would be a blast 😃👍. We have 2 or 3 types of ground squirrel 🐿️ in eastern South Dakota and groundhogs are mostly west river, out by the Black Hills. We also have prairie dogs west of where I'm at, all the way out into the Black Hills 🙂👍. A few years ago, I was going to do some fishing at Dry Lake, east of Huron South Dakota. The rules were, you had to be parked almost 100 yards away from the boat landing. When I got there, 7 striped ground squirrels and frogs were all over the place. I collected as many frogs as possible in a bucket for fishing and I used my Walther Parrus 22 and blasted ground squirrels for quite a while. It was a major fun time 😃👍.

[@charlesghant3230]

Yeah I feel you that bud. You're probably still kicking yourself over that Diana 34. But, one will come along if not yours in some time if you're open to it.

[@strayblackcatsmeow]

The most honest measure would be ft lbs. I just bought a gen 2 swarm maxxim 22 cal. On a wide range of pellet brands and weights, it shoots a very consistant 17 ft lbs. However one pellet breaks the measurement. The gamo red fire shoots a consistent 18 ft lbs. I suspect it has a much better gas seal than the others.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I think that manufacturers, instead of trying to educate people about their air rifles and power, they would rather inflate crazy sounding fast numbers to sell their products.

[@adamthehuman7912]

oh yeah for SURE and they use things like *only with alloy pellet FPS, or like usuing a .177/22 multi sku so it seems like it does 1000fps at .22 (which imo would be about as fast as id want it no desire to run supers if i can help it lmfao for so many reasons my ears alone ahah, like i feel they are DESIGINED to hit just below the sound barrier and tbh with 18.13 jsb and a hatsan repeating .22 (it hits a MIN of 20 , sometimes 22 tho the initial chornograph wasnt with it broken in (i assume its better now if at stock first shot was like 27.... crazy high for what it was rated for *20 fpe in .22* , so like i would rather they have better measurements i agreee- short of a chronograph and ballistic gel, - the best idea of how it will preform power wise IS FPE< eg like 2 is a bb pistol , 20 is more pcp heavy springs, and personally 20-22ft.lbs is about the upper limit on "effortless" shooting, id say more than this and its well not overkill persay but like deff more cocking effort and recoil and wear for what, if its good enough, id rather longetivity over power - as longas it is in correct "class" eg kids toy plastic, kinda dangerous metal bb, pellet - now those can mess up a day or window ect even .177 FS , tho i find .22 is where you start to see any air RIFLE shine imo, wish tbh they made heavier versions of this in like .25 or ideally .30 even, i wouldnt mind more of a short slug type 45/70, than i can arc long distances if needed but like i noticed switching to .22 made a DIFF!!! @@springpistonriflefeverlone9611

[@johnfiore9390]

Bsa gas ram is awesome just as good as my spring riffle

[@jaysoncruz1564]

like you're hoodie good video GOD BLESS

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you Jayson 🙂👍

[@focus4088]

is the hatsan 135 springer a goos option?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Possibly, but it only comes with a gas piston and Hatsan has a bad track record with the gas piston rifles. I just had a Hatsan 95 22 that had a bad barrel and had to send it back to Pyramyd Air. Hopefully the next one will have a good barrel. I will definitely be reviewing the Hatsan 95 22 steel coiled spring version when it gets back to me. Make sure to Subscribe 👍 and hit the 🔔 bell so that you don't miss out 🙂👍.

[@focus4088]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 really it only comes with a gas piston? im confused because theres two different ones one is a vortex system and one is not a vortex system is the non vortex system still a gas piston?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

​@@focus4088 Perhaps there is, but I have not found any with a steel coiled spring. If you know of one, let me know please 🙂👍.

[@brianwilke592]

On average I find the airguns I've tested to date run about 100 to 200 fps less than advertised on the box. I think they get away with it by using the verbiage of "up to" which means is all they have to do is get it to go the advertised speed once. Haven't graduated to those air rifles you are using yet, but have a Ruger Max Elite and Ruger Air Hawk in the spring piston air rifles. I like my Max Elite a lot better. Seems to be much more consistent. Might of been as simple as the people at the factory had a good day the day they made mine. Subed to help you get to 1,000.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you for your support and great comments Brian 🙂👍.

[@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423]

I got a ruger impact max elite and it packs a nice punch, surprising actually, I wasn't expecting it to have that much bc I just got it to backyard target shoot bc I can't shoot my other guns when I want, but it's definitely a great small game rifle

[@ADAM-qr7bi]

I wish This had existed back in 2009 when I got into Airguns made a lot of mistakes like buying expensive pellets,scopes,etc. if you want to know what an airgun really does watch review vids like airgunweb with Rick ustler and others before buying. Great video. Also judging by your shirt I’ll be seeing you soon. Get saved everyone. God bless

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you 🙏

[@thomaswalton7554]

Real talk the reality.

[@user-nl4iu5cm1h]

Hello mate I had the problem with rifles eating scopes a friend put me onto Konus pro scopes with engraved reticules problem solved

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I will check it out 🙂👍

[@rickywhite1195]

I own a hatsan 125 th and all I can say is that they don't lie about fps and don't test them with alloid pellets either

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

When you get a good Hatsan, you have a very good rifle 👍

[@jayskrilla404]

Will I get more fps stretching the spring??

[@jayskrilla404]

I have a 495 fps gamo varmint and I want more Fps

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@jayskrilla404 I think you'll have to buy a stronger spring and drill out the airport hole 🕳️🙂👍. If you have trouble finding a spring, look under Crosman Storm XT or Crosman Optimus main spring replacement. I hope that helps you 🙂👍.

[@RickyD1968]

I own the Hatsan MOD130S 30. cal and 25 cal and the Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X GEN Gen 2 22, cal All very powerful !!! I would recommend any of these rifles for small to medium game animals !!!

[@adamthehuman7912]

how is the hatsan, i got a .22 and LOVE it , .30 sounds more my speed later on tho new to this company but so far a 160usd .22 repeating breakbarrel is the deal of the year for me, and not a sales rep i just but cheap but like still reliable *price to preformance - i do feel rifles in general a bit "naked" under 30 cal but yeah even at .22 it feels solid , the piston is CRAZY powerful i have night terrors of dry firing it lmao, wish the clips counted shots like the gammo but they at LEAST have a second to last indicator if you keep an eye on it = asking cause idk how close mine is but eh 750-800fps with 18.13gn idk what the magnum gammos do but i assume around that? - if its SIGNIFICANT -id prob look more into the MOD130s , tho also is it like really $$$, caue tbh if its the same as .30 pcp pretty well built or something then it looses some appeal but after going from .177, to .22 feel .25 HEAVY or light .30 esp for windage is perfect lol idk you have .30 + .22 just asking if it is sig above the .22 in FPE, and if so you feel it really matters , as after 20+ it feels like plenty of power for a detterant trail rifle/occasional target practice with safer area (500yrds of open forest no ppl - at least private property and so SHOULDNT BE....) creating kind of a "range" for it cleared all rocks and other dangerous objects ect - new to break barrels but LOVE EM - feel like the best poor mans projectile weapon and with even 9mm over 1usd A ROUND , yeah ill go broke lmfao, vs a 25usd tin that lasts (assuming you dont bash em up- jsb is REALLY bad about deforming or idk if its just the tin I GOT? - it still hits straighter than like other cheaper brands like fx slightly deformed- worried more about barrel damage tho , but if it feeds fine and fires fine i feel thats just paranoia tho i ask more than less as i nearly blasted cleaner down the barrel due to bad info, but try to check multi sources last thing i want is to get a rifle i like and then kill it lol :/ poor scope already did her in but to be fair got for iorns and used the scope with it for fun mainly but yeah what the guy said like - these pistons DESTROY OPTICS , which is why i find it so odd they dont even include adustable front irons *(only backup with scope failure) or sometimes NO IRONS SCOPE ONLY!? eh , i was taught irons first and when that is not enough to hit far then master a scope, but like with how they are getting bashed with only a few 100 rnds idk if its just the weaver rail actual optic piston or all of the above but deff not long term compatible, use it as monocular now lmfao.

[@davemonday5381]

I use those gamo recoilless mounts on six of my guns. gamo say those shock resistant scope mounts take away 95% of kick away from your scope. A additional benefit is changing scopes doesn’t mark your rifle. I just ordered four more from gamo in Spain. I don’t like the synthetic stocks but that’s just me. But real shooters I can understand the practical benefits. Give me a walnut stock and some quality blueing anytime. But I’ve got a gamo and can’t sing it’s praises enough it’s powerful incredibly accurate and feels rock solid and best of All it has a bsa cold forged barrel and Italian Minelli stock. We find if you have too much power the accuracy suffers or to be honest you can’t his shit. And the shooters in competition use less power so less recoil and more accuracy. Just put lock tight on your cocking arm pin. All air rifles are good. You learn a lot shooting air guns. you should try a TX200hc you’ll love it. Great honest blog cheers from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I would love to try a TX200 🙂👍

[@davemonday5381]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I just read my comment. I hope it didn’t come across a bit Arse y. It wasn’t meant at all that way. I shoot at 3 of my local ranges and gun clubs we shoot rifles pistols and compound bows I mostly shoot with two friends and my daughter. I bought my two friends a bsa lightning XL GRT SE. About four years ago for Christmas they both still shoot regularly. It’s good way to catch up ,insult each other and laugh for about 4 hour. And actually they are very good. Can’t tell them that. sorry back to the TX200HC. They are expensive. Around £800 for the walnut. I think that’s 950 dollars For that you get a German Walther tuned barrel. The shock is made in Italy by Minelli and one of the nicest stocks I’ve ever seen But the middle bit with the incredible smooth trigger is made here , a true made in England gun. I was lucky one of the guys at my local gun shop knowns the guys at AirArms. He got the factory to email me pictures of all the walnut stocks. I picked a black walnut stock and it’s a sunning looking gun , everything the build quality the finish is gloss black nickel nitrate it’s a mirror finish. All these things put together is why it’s considered the best spring powered rifle in the world. I think it’s won the world championship 7 times in a row. I know that means nothing to us but it’s still impressive in a world of German guns. I hope you get your hand on one. I’d really like to hear your thoughts on something totally different than the break barrels hey all the best and keep on shooting, we never stop learning. Cheers

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@davemonday5381 Air Arms lovers will always love Air Arms and Weihrauch lovers will always love Weihrauch. I'm definitely not racist when it comes to spring piston rifles, lol. The design of the TX200 was stolen from Weihrauch. The original HW77 had the lead on field target competition for many years and I believe it's still got the record. I believe that the Air Arms TX200 comes from the factory tuned and the HW77 does not, that can make a big difference. I have an HW77 22, 16 FPE version. It's a tack driver for sure, but I have no tune kit in it. I will probably do a DIY pop bottle shim tune, for the guide. I haven't messed with it yet, because I am good at gouging my rifles, ouch, I hate it when that happens.

[@davemonday5381]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 was I being racist against weihrauch I own 3 hw’s. But your right I’m biased towards the British gun’s mainly webley’s and bsa’s I still have my first meteor my dad bought me when I was 10 years old. Last year I went to pick up a brand new Hw. There was something not quite right when I broke the barrel, this is at the counter at the shop. First they took it in the back and took the stock off did something and brought it back out. I wasn’t impressed but they put in the box. When I arrived home a hour later , I got it out the box when I tried to cock it , it crushed cracked and felt like metal on metal a lot of metallic grinding and not in a nice way. I didn’t attempt to shoot it. I took it back. They told me I couldn’t have my money back but they would send back for repair but it would cost me. I said give me a different gun. They got another HW out but it wasn’t the same model it wasn’t any better. Crunchy and rough metal on metal. I took it home and I’ve still never used that gun. In comparison I bought a bsa and noticed a slight fault with the stock I contacted the factory and bsa replaced with it 48 hours on a bank holiday. They apologised to me via email sent me poster brochures and an bunch of trigger locks. They couldn’t do enough for one of there customers. So yes I’m biased. So I bought there entire range. I won’t be buying another veihrauch any time soon the shop put it down to lack of quality control because of lockdown. That’s not good enough. The old guy at my club don’t know there any other make of gun other that weihrauch. So it shows how brand loyalty can be blind I quit often have one thrust on me boingy twangy things. So let’s remember bsa’s and webley’s won two world wars. The German guns came in second place. And I bet if I check weihrauch didn’t invent the under lever air gun. I think they was around at the turn of the century. You have the beeman b1. Weihrauch s copy is called the weihrauch HW45 I have one and that’s crunchy too. So I do have my reasons.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@davemonday5381 That's too bad that you had bad experiences with them. Perhaps they were returns at the shop that you bought them from. Perhaps the old fellow that had them HW's that you speak of, has gotten only good ones. All 4 of my HW's work very well and are extremely accurate. My HW95 Luxus 22 is my go-to rifle for hunting and pest elimination. Air Arms once had the Pro Sport Elite, what does not make any more break barrels. Webley no longer functions in Britain, only Turkey, to bad for them (Turkey) right now. I hear they hate us and that Syria hates us. Don't get it, I never did anything to them. Back to the subject, lol. I believe Gamo is preventing BSA springers from coming to the USA. A gas ram BSA is being sold at AoA for too much. Right now I can't afford anything at all, so the TX200 or ProSport will have to weight. BTW on AEAC, Steve shoots the TX200 and HW97 and I notice zero difference between the accuracy of these 2 rifles. As far as World War II and Germany, we can't change the past and I can't hold animosity against people that did not cause those atrocities that were done in that country. Right now our world is headed in a very bad direction quickly. The Illuminati elites, want to put something very evil into our bodies, control the whole world 666 and get rid of the undesirables. It will be much worse than world war 2.

[@brettbaker5599]

You can achieve the claimed velocities; just embrace the power of dieseling!

[@paulp.6399]

Or use alloy pellets, where the companies get their ratings from.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

It will blow your seal's and your accuracy will go out the window.

[@brettbaker5599]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Oh, I know! There was a guy doing it in videos. He acted like it was no big deal to swap out seals and pistons. Entertaining, but not quite as knowledgeable as he thought he was.

[@modelnutty6503]

you always see their FPS claims that don't really matter, not actual FPE. you can increase FPS FPE and accuracy with mild polishing, super cleaning, then cooking FrogLube into the bore (250-275F). it may increase the types of pellets it'll like throwing. FrogLube is made for firearms but air rifles sure seem to like the stuff!

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Very interesting 🤔🙂👍.

[@modelnutty6503]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 worth scouring flee-ba-hay for some, 5 small packets was 6 bucks tax+shipping included. video instructions to mild polish from breech to muzzle progressively are excellent*.. super clean then metal needs heating to open pores for FrogLube to penetrate, a bore only needs 2-3 drops, it flows like hot butter.. it sticks to the metal and in the pores, let cool and run a couple dry patches to pull the excess. bore is like non-stick teflon coated slick after, can give up to 10% more speed and more lead dust is out the muzzle for quicker easier cleaning. its really meant for small semi auto pistols as a dry lube for slides etc, burnt powder doesn't stick to it.. but treating an air rifle is a nice surprise. * first 4" 10-12 strokes, then 1st 8" 10-12 strokes, then 11" same, then 15" 10-12 strokes.. don't do the last 2" (muzzle). mild polishing compound on double patches is fine, I used cheap Ultra-Bright toothpaste! alcohol and acetone to get it really clean after polishing for cooking in the FrogLube. takes 1/2 hr maybe to do a bore.

[@Hidayatullah1967.]

Do you prove what you say just by saying it without physical proof (crono test)

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I test everything! Why don't you subscribe and find out for your self?

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Check out this awesome video of the Diana 350 Magnum N-Tec Classic 22!👇😃👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWrEd6iGjMpkbqMsi=r6HwRy1bpOhAeALJ

[@secondhandlyon2603]

A better measure of an air rifle is foot lbs of energy. With break barrels the high end for a .177 is around 17 and a .22 is around 22. Once a pellet reaches supersonic they become unstable.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I believe that I talked about FPS and FPE.🙂👍 I did talk about power on target 38 seconds in.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Have you seen the Walther Parrus 22. Mine is getting 25 FPE shooting CPHP14.3 880-890FPS and shoots the Air Arms 16 grain pellets very accurate 🙂👍.

[@johncuthbertson2565]

Once you get past around 850fps you are going to see transient super sonic shock waves appearing on the surfaces of the pellet and that will have a detrimental effect on your accuracy especially downrange, more power use heavier pellet to keep away from those shock waves, a few KZbin videos out there on ballistic pellet testing, some with real laboratory testing, interesting stuff 🙂

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Have you seen any of these shock waves? lol My Walther Parrus 22 pushes a 14.3 pellet at 885 FPS and I has gotten 3/4" group at 40 yards. Don't believe everything you hear. Do real-world testing🙂👍

[@johncuthbertson2565]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 have a look at( airgun ballistics 101) Has some interesting videos on KZbin

[@jasonw.sjaggers9748]

My Crosman diamond back np elite22 has destroyed 5 scopes so far....

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Ouch 🤕.

[@johnndavis7647]

All sales pitch They keep pushing higher and higher velocities because people that don't know any better still go for it. Faster isn't always better.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

You are right John. I would rather shoot a springer at about 16 FPE rather than 25 FPE 🙂👍.

[@TacitusR]

I have a Walther Parrus .22cal. It is consistently accurate. I can hit a soda can at 55 meters every time without fail and judging by the quick flight and sound of impact it is hitting a steel plate with authority, hard enough to completely flatten a JSB 18.13 grain Exact Jumbo Heavy Diabolo pellet at 40 meters. I have no idea what the FPS is and don't care what matters to me is accuracy and striking power and the Walther delivers that on squirrels, rats, and gophers.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Great comments 🙂👍

[@azharwazir1844]

Which one is the most powerful

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

It's almost a tie between the Walther Parrus 22 and the RWS 350 N-Tec Classic 22. The Parrus shoots the CPHP 14.3 at 25 FPE and the RWS 350 shoots them at 23 FPE. But the RWS shoots the Benjamin Destroyer 14.3 at 27 FPE.🙂👍

[@azharwazir1844]

I like diana 350 n tec new version

[@azharwazir1844]

And I request for review

[@mreyepop1134]

Us in UK England can only aloud 12 pound.air rifle ) or 6 pounds on pistol bit rubbish unless you have fire arm.lince 🤔

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you for the good comment's 🙂👍

[@stevenbailey3585]

Below 900 ft/s is good as you are below the transonic range the pellet will remain stable. As soon as you break into the transonic range, you loose accuracy. Check out the ab101 vids by Matt Dubber.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

A more important factor, does your rifle likes a certain pellet, then it's going to be more accurate. I don't need to follow Matt Dubber or anybody else, lol.

[@macheneclothing]

I need some help anyone to find a multi shot .177 up to 1000 fps since we are not allowed to import anything over 1000 fps into my country.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Maybe contact Gamo?🙂👍

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

It's not a multi shot but I know that Krail has a Gamo 10.5 FPE rifle for sale.

[@macheneclothing]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Gamo is 1300fps for .177

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@macheneclothing Not this one 🙂👍👇 www.krale.shop/us/gamo-forest/

[@tonybranton]

If you don’t have a Benjamin pump look into them. Namely the 342. They made a short run of 342’s in the Sheridan factory in 1990. These guns are THE PREMIER Benjamin.22 cal pump rifles ever made and make more power than the standard 342 and Tim builds them and the 392 (the modern version of the 342 made overseas into Steroid versions and they kick major butt! No better packable powerful self powered guns made in my opinion. Tim McMurray, Mac 1 Airguns online, is the authority on all Benjamin pumps as well as Crosman pistols and his own custom BR rifles. I went straight to Tim when I got into these guns as they are the best survival rifle made. Brass, doesn’t rust and doesn’t foul with lead so all you need are pellets and the guns for survival. Of course get a bottle of Tim’s secret sauce. I plan of showing these and more on my KZbin page soon.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Sounds good 🙂👍. Is there a link?

[@tonybranton]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 let me get Mac1’s page link

[@jasonnealey8325]

Now the crosman 362 is pushing aside the Sheridans and Benjamin multipumps , I heard they will produce a 100 year anniversary model with steel breech and wood stock .

[@tonybranton]

@@jasonnealey8325 can’t beat brass. Lead doesn’t foul on brass and the claimed 875 is probably exaggerated too. My 342 Mac 1 does 891 with 16 grains! And will be shooting when the 362 is rust! The best multipump has already been built, back when there were craftsmen assembling them.

[@phillipjones3502]

Good information. People are seeking more fps, when they should be looking for hop, hours of practice.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Thank you Phillip 😃👍

[@sirjhonson8218]

Much rather have a .25 cal. at 800 fps than a .177 at 1100 fps.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

The 25 caliber will have much better energy

[@mrmellowcrafty9064]

Have you ever thought about buying. Vortex rifle scope. Made for Big To small Caliber rifles. They have 100% warranty. I Enjoy them on my big Rifles. I recommend don't buy a cheap scope.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I have a friend that has a Vortex on one of his air rifles, but the glass was not clear as a cheap Leapers scope that he has on a nother air rifle 😃👍.

[@WalnutandSteel]

My Crosman optimus easily hits 1100+ sometimes close to 1200

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

With what pellet?

[@WalnutandSteel]

I would need to rewatch my video but I generally test with 7 gr meisterkugeln’s so I have a bench mark to compare all the other guns to.

[@WalnutandSteel]

So I just looked at the video I saw 1036 with an rws basic which is actually a 7.4 gr

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@WalnutandSteel Most of the time with common pellets that people buy at local stores, like CPHP 7.9 or CPUM 10.5, numbers are going to be much lower. Then when you take a springer that is well broke in and and the grease is burned out of the compression chamber, numbers will be much lower yet. It usually takes 1000-2000 shots to burn off factory grease depending how greasy it is.

[@WalnutandSteel]

Mine is a pretty new rifle so definitely not anywhere near that shot count. The first couple shots were definitely detonating. The 7.4 gr pellets were well over 1200!

[@LowkeyAirgunner]

Most new airgun shooters come from the firearm world and want the most power they can get... A bit like you when got that "975fps" rifle because it said so... It is pretty sad that they have to cheat with very light alloys most of the time to get the "right numbers" *Crosman used to says wich pellets the numbers came from on their old boxes...* _Now they made a new box for the 1322 and it apparently gained arround 90fps in the meantime._ The worst part is people not even caring about power... But that are still hurting birds with a Red ryder (mine was at arround 280fps/350 wich is still less than 1ft-lb.)

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Yes, I just don't get it. If they would just share the truth and spoke more in terms of energy and not FPS, and that a high power spring/gas piston rifle has more potential to destroy a scope, with little benefit of the extra energy.

[@LowkeyAirgunner]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 i just realized that the new box saying that the 1322 is pushing 550fps will make them prohibed in kenada. _[No bueno for anyone]_

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

@@LowkeyAirgunner They will have to fix that and contradict themselves to sell more airguns in Canada, lol 😆👍

[@MVPr]

I like PCP pneumatics better, they don't have such recoil when fired.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I like break barrel's better, requires more practice and skill 🙂👍.

[@MVPr]

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Everyone has their own hobby ;)

[@Lithium023]

I was killing crows and squirrels back in the day with a .177 airgun that was prob shooting around 300 and some odd fps. So it deff doesn't take much, now I have a benjamin np xl 1100 .22 wich pushes around 800 and some odd fps. I have taken less game with it than my old air gun😂, accuracy is king over power that's for sure.

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Yes, great comment's 😃👍

[@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423]

Speaking of hunting i watched a guy shoot a possum like 5 times in a video bc obviously they cant shoot or didnt bother setting scope but point is if its not a quick kill as in one shot, that hunt isnt a success in my book, you dont hunt something to punish it by shooting it multiple times, that video made me kind of angry honestly 😂

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

Wounding animals is the last thing we want to do 😟