The Truth About How Long EV Batteries Last

[@JSMITH6298]

Mg4 just had 2 year service. Battery state of health 100%. According to some haters, it should be nearly ready for the scrap heap. Yeah right!

[@SigFigNewton]

Change is scary

[@st200ol]

Only 2 years, come back in 20 years, most of the anti-EV lot have cars at least that old and say they are still like new. I suspect there is a slight distortion of the truth there though.

[@javelinXH992]

@@st200ol A lot of Triggers broom going on there as well. I wonder how much they have had to change in those 20 years.

[@st200ol]

@ Nothing according the the comments I’ve read. Well it’s never mentioned in any-case. To be fair apart from the regular servicing requirements most engines will do at least 150,000 miles. It’s mainly the rot that will get most cars at least in the UK so I do wonder if the people commenting that their 30 year old car is still like new are from countries where salt on the roads in winter isn’t required.

[@foppo100]

After 5 years I like a change with any car.Unless you have something sentimental you want to keep.Battery's will last and there will be people to replace cells if needed in the future or up grade your battery.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Batteries......

[@martinwray7001]

At 103k miles and more than 5 years I was still getting full range from our 64kWh Kona. Would've liked the experiment to continue but received a new pack as the car was included in the recall for 18 and 19 cars.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Dave, 4 year old Kia EV6 RWD (non-heat pump), 52,000 miles - 3.3 miles / kWh winter + 4.5 miles / kWh summer, ~3.9 miles / kWh average (twisty country roads + dual carriage ways ).

[@davidkramrisch]

Hi Dave. Average 3.3 miles/kwh for my Long Range Single motor RWD Polestar 2 with 60/40 motorway / urban driving over the last 10k miles /year.

[@danielduggan7126]

Dave may well have an interesting point to make, however, one loses the will to live waiting for him to make it.

[@patdbean]

His videos have to be over 15 minutes, so he can get middle-role ads in..😂

[@Bowled10]

Hi Dave, Dave here, I loved this video and have been subscribed for about 12 months, I did exactly the same as you. Got a used model S instead of a new 3.(66 reg plate) but with revised front end red in colour, my full warentee ran out end of September 2024, I have free super charging for life, I only at super charge once a month. So battery will be similar to yours 80%, I have only done 65k miles only doing 8k a year. So I am glad you did this as a concern to how long it would last, you put my mind at rest. As I intend to keep car for life or 15/20 years. Loved the video keep it up. Dave B

[@PJWey]

My MG4 SE efficiency according to ABRP is 280-305wh/mi and battery degradation from BMS is 4.7% but worth remembering SAIC chose to not have any real top buffer on the LFP pack so it was already about 3% “degraded” off the boat from China, not anything to worry about. Battery tests, certification and warranty for older cars is just what we need and indicate the data is supporting the general reliability of the architecture, when done right. 😊 But even something like a Leaf is well understood so relatively safe as long as you understand the reality of a battery with no thermal management/care.

[@richardevans372]

My Tesla 19plate has done 260,000 so I don’t think they will do a warranty?

[@capnkirk5528]

I have seen a few Tesla Model S for sale USED in Canada - in fact to write THIS comment I checked and I saw numerous 2013 and 2014 MS's for between $14K and $18K. If this battery service was available in CANADA and I could get the battery warranty you describe in CANADA I would buy one of these tomorrow. Literally, I have the cash on hand. (and the Model S would be awesome). Or, if I could find a Leaf with a battery that was "provably" not already cooked - there are Leafs for sale in the GTA as cheap as $4k CDN. Why the hesitation? Well, I bought a used 1986? (I think it was an 86) Ford Taurus in 1989 - a good car, well rated, but the 1986 had a DIFFERENT transmission than PRIOR or SUBSEQUENT years. Didn't know that when I bought it, and it was VERY relevant. The car was a mechanical writeoff within a year (Ford had covered up the transmission issue). I know about Leaf Spy, but I'm not willing to gamble 1,000's of dollars on my ability to spot a bad battery being dumped by an unknowing or unscrupulous dealer. (I can spot a bad engine, and to a lesser extent a bad transmission - the Ford was a special case). Edit: Ah, the miracle of the internet. I cannot begin to tell you how JEALOUS I am of you in the UK; you are so FAR ahead of us in Canada (even the Luddite Americans are ahead of us) in terms of access to decent AFFORDABLE EVs and EV support services. I would not EVER consider my local dealership to service ANY car that wasn't bought NEW and still under manufacturer's warranty. We have better consumer protection than the US, but not MUCH better. I am honestly hoping the majors go bankrupt and take their corrupt infrastructure down with them.

[@reiniernn9071]

When you ask about mileage/kwh I drive an ioniq 5 project 45 awd 72,6KWH battery (which was an all options only version, also heatpump included) It is in size comparable with your teslaS P85. I did not reset my usage average once...Now it is 79000 km (Yes mainland europe).(near to 50000 miles) Average usage 187 wh/km or 5,34 km/kwh. In miles: 299 wh/mile.or 3,34 miles/kwh (1,6 km / mile) In this usage it is good to know that about 10% of thst amount of km has been driven with a trailer (height 1m71, lenght 2m64 max weight 750 kg) because this affects energy usage. Most km (>50%) driven at max speed allowed in the Netherlands (100 km/h...62 mph) but at least a part in Germany and Poland with 125 km/h.(78 mph) The rest on other roads than motorways or with reduced speeds due to road repairs. Heighest usage: 300wh/km with a closed trailer 2,1 m heigh, 1m80 wide 3,5 meter long box. Speed 85 km/h When I calculate my used km* average usage + rest miles on a trip I've left about 95% of range after 3,5 years. Still in summer I can get my wltp (430 km) when driving 100 km/h. In winter I'll reach between 370 and 390 km range depending on road and athmospheric conditions. Temp. between -2 celsius and plus 8 celsius.

[@NckBrktt]

The anti EV tropes are starting to wear thin these days. In 1830 the anti railway brigade claimed that rail passengers travelling at more than 20mph would suffocate due to the air moving too fast to breath. Nothing changes.

[@capnkirk5528]

One thing changed. In the 1830's, the horse breeders didn't band together and mount a concerted campaign to spread and amplify people's natural fear of change the way companies like Exxon, BP, Shell, Chevron etc. have done today. And they didn't have social media platforms to make doing THAT easier, or captive MSM that were beholden to them to publish and spread their lies.

[@SigFigNewton]

Just like the mass “grave” they found in that place where it was pretty windy for two straight minutes and everyone suffocated.

[@davethevicar88]

I'm on 10 years and still giving 34 miles range off a old vauxhall ampera work and nearly back, nearly lol still happy service every 2 years and only one visit to the specialist pretty cheap fix £240 happy as Larry 😂

[@alanbrad3727]

I sometimes see an Ampera driving along the A3 dual carriageway in Surrey. Great to see it's still cruising around!

[@Smartsparky]

As much as I think this warranty is fantastic. The dealer should be offering this on purchase and that would give confidence to the buyer.

[@vc2tb]

Great video Dave 👍

[@Jaw0lf]

My Tesla Model 3 Highland has now done 6901.71 miles, used 2356.54kWh at a cost of £232.92 so less than 3.4p per mile. I have only used Tesla Superchargers 5 times during a couple of longer trips. Battery range in Summer was around 270 at 4.5 to 5 miles per kWh equivalent. Winter around 230 with an average of 4 miles per kWh . Obviously the winter range will perform better if you travel further as a lot of energy is used to heat up the car initially. I also do a lot of trip that are 2 or 3 minutes of 30 or 40MPH and then 60 or 70MPH. If I am only doing 30-40MPH in the winter I can achieve over 5 miles per kWh.

[@Trifusion1]

I’ve been doing the same tracking of my efficiency on my 2014 Nissan leaf. On the last roughly 36,000 miles I’ve averaged 3.9 miles/kWh Cheap motoring!

[@bellshooter]

My 5 year old MG ZS EV has a 4 year average of 3.6 mpkWh on the trip, neglecting charging losses.

[@shedworks3196]

My mokka has avg e3.1 over a 3 year period and 3000 miles all charged from home

[@anthonybrown4874]

There's a lot of work to do on the infastructure around the technology, and all used cars should be sold with a report of SOH and ideally a warranty to reassure the purchaser. Some cars manage the battery health better than others and degrade at different rates. Currently repairs to batteries are very limited its growing slowly and they are not exactly easy to work on and replace the cells neither sre they modular where you can replace a portion of the pack. Buying an EV going in you need to be able to factor in the degradation over your intended ownership so that the range is adequate over the life over the vehicle this is not so well understood. If you ask any manufacturer to replace large vital components the price is often ridiculous as they only want to sell new vehicles. Good to have the option to test and warranty batteries so good info Dave. When will I get an EV ? Not just yet price has to be right and all the government incentives seem to be for company cars and salary sacrifice which I do not have access to some used prices are tempting though.

[@antoniopalmero4063]

My 2020 (20 plate) model 3 long range has covered 132,000 miles and was tested by Cleveley EV @ 89% battery health , I got a 1 year battery and drivetrain warranty when I bought the car which gave me great confidence .

[@capnkirk5528]

Who did you get the battery warranty through, if I may ask? Tesla or the dealer or a 3rd party? Tesla offers a warranty here in Canada, but a used Tesla here THROUGH TESLA is not much less than a new one. Even through the shadiest of dealers they are still pretty pricey.

[@antoniopalmero4063]

@ Altelium tested and supplied the warranty .

[@capnkirk5528]

@@antoniopalmero4063 Thanks for answering. Sadly, not an option for us, but hopefully someone on this side of the pong will jump on that business opportunity.

[@peteraberesford]

My 21 plate model 3 has 6% degradation at 50k miles. I used the Tessie app and it does a similar test to yours every time you charge more than 5kwh. Its about £10 per month, but could just pay for one month if all you were interested in is the battery report

[@slowercuber7767]

Once FSD is uavailable in the UK or you find yourself over here in the colonies, I suggest you give it a try. It might become the reason to move to a newer model with AI4 before your venerable S is retired. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@barnseyfrommossley]

I average 5.6m/Kwh in my Seat Mii electric, 80% motorway use over 8 months of ownership. Nearer 7m/kwh around town, but seen 11 during the hottest part of summer.

[@Dailyroach]

I have torn down more electronics and batteries than anyone else i know , These new breed of EV battery cells can have a fantastic long life .... unless the bms fails . There are so many tiny components in the BMS that can lead to the whole pack failing . Probably the thing i worry about is not the cells but all the thousands of connections , resistors , capacitors , mosfetts etc that manage them .

[@GruffSillyGoat]

In addition to Altelium there's the HEVRA network of service centres who specialise in all sorts of EV's repairs, across multiple automakers and likewise have service data from the manufacturers, and can provide a battery repair/replace service.

[@grahamtoyn2912]

Hi Dave I enjoy watching your great channel as it is very informative, I am subscribed. I have a question for you, my MG4 64KW Trophy was bought new in 2022 and has never been on a rapid charger only a 7kw wall box or the 3pin granny charger. It had its 2nd year service done at the end of October with 7,800 miles on the clock.The service report states that the battery health has dropped to 99%.Is this anything to worry about at such low mileage, I do charge to 100% occasionally to balance the battery cells or if I am going to go on a long journey, Occasionally the car may be stood on the drive with 100% battery for a day or two.Thanks in advance.and kind regards .

[@StephenButlerOne]

Just like all cars, all the electrics will die far sooner then thr oowertrain. The battery may be able to last 20-50years. But most cars are done around 15 years old, things just start failing fast and often arond that time. The thing that shoud worry us all is everthing is conected to the screen, so i can see a very fast snowball effect once modules start playing up.

[@pauldenney7908]

So all products have a failure curve, you see two peeks. At the start when a product is new these are always down to design or manufacturing faults. These failures are almost always covered by the initial warranty. The second spike is as the product comes to the end of its life. These are never covered by any warranty. Extended warranties cover the bit in the middle when a product is least likely to fail. This company obviously now has enough data to be confident that nobody is going to be making a claim up to the limit they have set. I never buy extended warranties.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

When the entire car’s utility and value depends on the battery pack and all its cells working, an extended battery warranty will have to factor to the short amount of time people are paying in and the potentially high (£7-15k is not unrealistic as an average replacement cost) claim cost. We must be talking about hundreds of pounds per month, making all potential savings made on home-charging disappear.

[@barny2882]

12:13 I’m interested to know how the SOH they report compares with that reported by OBD software. I’m slightly dubious about my OBD report of 99.7% SOH for my 4yo e-Niro with 70k miles…

[@vevenaneathna]

driving a 13 year old phev with 130k miles on the odom, around 85% of those miles have been on the high voltage battery which is the older NCM pouch style tech. currently getting 147% of the EPA range on a good day, only about 131% of EPA range on bad/cold days. battery degradation is a manufacturing aspect and not practically related to ownership/age with some rare exceptions of very negligent owners who dont charge or uber drivers fast charging 3 times a day. so far zero maintenance since ive owned the car 18 months and put 40k miles on it.

[@abcdecor7484]

So what was the cost of the insurance?

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

Enyaq iv 60 4+miles/kWh over 30 months. Mostly urban and rural driving.

[@garrycroft4215]

Yes the battery does degrade faster to begin with then taper off, my second EV BMW i3s was 96% after only a year however 95% at end of lease three years old. So the person that bought my car second hand for about half price got a real bargain.

[@sds7870]

any estimate on how much a warranty would cost?

[@ComeJesusChrist]

A battery replacement on smaller EVs are in the range of £7k and upwards, plus labour. Whereas some manufacturers have their own programme, any insurance designed to be taken out on used cars would take the risk and the limited length of time into consideration. As an example, when you buy a five year old EV, the warranty on the battery is limited, if it hasn’t already ended. The insurance provider would need to consider if customers will be paying for a set of years and how many of them will actually make a claim. With EVs, the single biggest threat is the battery failing, so the entire extended battery warranty is the thing that will make or break an older EV, therefore there will be a high claim ration and guaranteed high cost per policy to the company. It’s reasonable to expect that they’d want customers to pay in the cost of a battery replacement in a few years, potentially pushing up the premiums to the hundreds of pounds per month. That’s the price of chasing the pennies and falling for the false cheap motoring promises.

[@wr2382]

The Altelium remote battery test described in the video will only give an approximate degradation percentage. This will be enough for Altelium to decide whether or not to offer their extended warranty but it will not give the best estimate of the degradation level. So do not take it as gospel. To determine a battery's level of degradation, you need to accurately measure the current maximum charge level and compare it to the original level when the car was new. The only way to accurately measure a battery's current maximum charge level is to completely drain the battery (that is, until the high-voltage battery is completely flat) and then recharge it to 100% using a slow charger (a 7-8 kW charger will do), and preferably during warm weather when the car is not using any energy to either heat or cool the battery. You should then be able to use the charge screen display to read off how much energy in kWh the battery received from charging, and this will be the best estimate of the battery's current maximum capacity. This is the only way to get the best estimate. Any test that does less than this is just guessing, although some of the guesses should be fairly accurate, depending on the methodology and type of battery. Why does the battery need to be completely drained and then charged to 100%? This is because it is only at 0% and 100% that the battery management system (BMS) can be sure of the battery's state-of-charge (SOC). Anything in between those two values is going to be a guess, a hopefully well-educated guess, but still a guess. This is especially true of LFP batteries, but it also applies to the other chemistries. Why does it need to be charged using a slow charger for the test to be accurate? A BMS measures the energy going into the battery pack. Not all of that energy is used to recharge the battery because some of it is lost as heat. The amount of wasted heat at any instant is proportional to the square of the charging power. So at 80 kW charging power, the battery is losing 100 times more power as heat than when charging at 8 kW. A low-power (slow) charger generates (and, therefore, wastes) much less energy as heat than a high-power (fast) charger during the charging process. Fast chargers typically waste between 10% and 20% while charging. So, slow chargers are probably wasting less than 1% of the measured input energy and, therefore, the amount of energy shown on the charge screen at the end of slow charging from 0% to 100% should be a good indicator of the battery's current energy capacity. CAUTION: I DO NOT advise that anyone should test their battery in this way unless you are confident that your car will be easy to re-charge after the battery is completely drained. Some cars will completely die when this happens and you might not be able to open the charge port or re-start the car's computer. P.S. Teslas have a battery degradation test that can be accessed through the Service Mode window. However, it takes some setting up and then takes many hours to complete as it involves the car draining the battery while plugged into slow charger and then re-charging to 100%. I don't know if other brands have a similar test mode.

[@Sp_75-76]

My LFP Model 3 rear wheel drive (2022) 33 months old is currently showing a lifetime average of 214 wh per mile 4.67 miles per kwh

[@sunrisejak2709]

My 21 months old Tesla model 3 dual motor long range with NMC battery has nearly the same efficiency stats! 217 wh/mi, and 4.6 mi/kWh. (135 wh/km, 7.4 km/kWh) This living a bit rural in Thailand. I home charge routinely to 75% and rarely dip below 25% for daily use.

[@jusidit]

No worries. I have a two yr old 3.

[@alanbrad3727]

I've got 78000 miles on my 2020 ioniq 38. It only has to last another two years then fuel savings will have paid for it in full. Fingers crossed 😂

[@Un-Apologetic]

All batteries are made up of cells. The problem is when one cell dies same as a lead acid battery it degrades the overall performance of the whole battery. The second problem is at present there aren't that many battery repair specialists who can pretty much name their price. A warranty is absolutely essential if you qualify for one.

[@crm114.]

If a battery is going to fail, it’s highly likely to occur in the 8 year warranty period. Tesla recycles its batteries with a 93% reuse rate. My Model 3 has lost 3% of its range over 4 years.

[@garrycroft4215]

Yes get a £30 battery report before buying it then when it’s 8 year warranty runs out take out cover.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

@@crm114.That’s not entirely true. Some batteries fail within the warranty period, prematurely. The rest fail at a later stage, guaranteed. Batteries do have limited lifespan. Besides, how much is the cost of a warranty to insure replacement cost (£7-15k) of an eight year old battery? We are talking hundreds of pounds a month.

[@Grumpydadwithtech]

EV haters will had regardless of how much evidence you give them. This can only be good for the value increasing on the 2nd market which could increase demand

[@stevecoinitin7521]

Before seeing Dave's Tesla Cold and Mild weather range figures, I didn't think the cold weather would have such a bad effect on range. I thought there was a small drop of about 7 or 8%, but I'm a bit gobsmacked now I see about 25%! For the winter commuting of 45 to 50 miles daily round trips I did for a number of different jobs over the years, I would have needed to charge every 3 days! Will happily stick to fuelling every 11 days thanks! I was never near to buying an EV for lots of reasons (mostly all the faffing around),. This video really confirms to me, that EV's are a thing, but only for local driving of 3 to 20 mile trips, unless you are willing to put up with all the faffing around etc. Thanks for the detailed info.

[@paulweston1106]

Is that because there is no heat pump in that vehicle? EVs with a heat pump seem not to have the same losses.

[@absabs3811]

Yeah I only buy a mobile phone with a 15000mah battery so i only have to charge it once a week, sod that faffing around plugging it in too often.

[@crm114.]

Yeah, it’s a huge faff to plug it in in the evening and unplug it in the morning. I really don’t know how I can spare the 2 minutes of my time each week.

[@absabs3811]

@@crm114. I don't have the time, I do everything all in one go. Monday is Food day, I get my weekly intake in one go, so Mondays are out of the question. Tuesday is the day I sleep so no time there, Wednesday is the day I work, I get 40 hours in so definitely don't get time etc etc etc.

[@ziploc2000]

Hilarious, hahahahah. Oh wait, you're serious? Hahahahahahaha!

[@hugheffo]

The issue is apart from Tesla, all the other public chargers are way more expensive than a petrol car getting 30mpg. 40% of homes don’t have off street parking so can’t charge at home, therefore making public charging so much more expensive. My boss with his ID4 is about 40% more expensive than my 1L Ford, to run, if he uses public chargers. Until you make public chargers no more that 10% more than home charging, EV’s will never be the dominant men’s of propulsion. Car manufacturers are already delaying selling ICE cars till April next year, so they don’t end up getting huge fines for not meeting their EV sales quotas.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Certain quarters fear the future in the auto industry, it's understandable change can be pervasive and rapid and some don't like the familiar becoming the rare. Hence are spinning all sorts of yarns about EVs including recycling highly exaggerated stories about early EVs both as a self-comfort and to try to hold back the march of progress. One can imagine in the not to distant future being in a car service centre and earwigging a phone conversation the service manager is having: _"Yes mamm, you say you're car's not charging well, that sounds like the fast charge A battery, the long range B battery is typically fine. We can swap the A battery pronto for you."_ _"How much you say, well as you know by the EV adverts batteries these days are dirt cheap, for your car's it's 750 plus VAT for the 20kWh A battery."_ _"Labour's on top of course, that's a further 1,500 plus VAT. As you can imagine the _*_MechBots_*_ are an expensive piece of kit and they don't maintain themselves. Good news though we can send one over with the part in the Cybercab in half an hour to do the fix."_ _"Now how would you like to pay, we accept ...."_

[@Bowled10]

Whoops said 80% meant 90% .typo error.

[@ianemery2925]

2 1/2 years into my owning a now 8 y/o Kia Soul EV, my parents still wont buy an EV because "the battery will never last". You really cant teach some people anything; and it isnt because they are stupid, mum has a degree in Industrial Psychology, but because of the unending stream of anti-EV fake news stories in the newspapers and television that they watch; they cannot believe what their own family shows them. Meanwhile, my latest check shows SOH still remains 96.8% +/-0.1%; the same as when I bought it, roughly 10,000 miles ago; or to put it another way, a battery degradation of 0.9KWh from new.

[@Terry-q7y]

My brothers stepdaughter's Zoe was 7 years old when she got it and the batterie was down to 60% she has now sold it and got a VW beetle happy days

[@michaelketley1252]

Useful gen.

[@terryrigden4860]

Very iVvnformative thank you

[@jerroidrixon]

I'll take the plunge next year Thanks

[@andym1548]

Good video Dave... it always makes me laugh when the ICE mob bang on about battery degradation... I've yet to see a Dyno report for a stock car after 10 years where it hasnt lost at least 10-15% of its claimed new power BHP. p.s. I also have a mileage counter that hasn't been touched since the day we collected the car, Model 3 Performance , and it also says 2.99 miles / kw... may be thats a real world indicator for all of them as yours is the same?

[@markwilliams5654]

Huge amount of false information here

[@GruffSillyGoat]

You're fear of the future is showing.

[@crm114.]

A meaningless claim without specific references

[@barnseyfrommossley]

What is false information? Please tell us so we can check the actual facts, and not just Mark's opinion.

[@ziploc2000]

Yeah, I saw your other post about batteries failing all the time.

[@alexishart1989]

So... just an unsubstantiated claim then?

[@DanBurgaud]

Once warranty runs out (in 8~10years), it will still contain 80% capacity. AND you can sell it to Solar Energy Storage Systems. ICE engines after 5 years, are only 60~80% of their original rated power. so why are they being bias why batteries degrade?

[@bordersw1239]

Because your figures for a 20-40% loss in power for ICE seems to plucked out of thin air.

[@Fromatic]

I welcome the electric cars but ICE engines being at 60-80% power after 5 years is nonsense

[@DwaynePipes]

...just like the EV "facts" produced by the ICEberks!😂😂😂 ​@@bordersw1239

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@Fromatic Maybe, but ICE cars do have the disadvantage of only being 30% efficient at best from day one, and efficiency gradually deteriorates as the miles roll on...

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@Fromatic - it's depends upon the reference point, as ICEVs require three time the energy compared to BEVs and ICE are less efficient overall, then the relative difference after 5 years could well be a further 60 to 80% loss of power efficiency in the ICEV compared to an BEV of the same age. Power as such isn't lost on a BEV as the battery degrades, rather capacity is lost meaning range is lowered; electric motors tend not to fade with any significance with age (as has been demonstrated by older BEVs). This and the higher overall efficiency of a BEV and means power degrades with less of an effect compared to an ICEV, where power ouput does degrade over time, as components wear; an effect which is amplified by the higher energy demand. So whilst constrasting an ICE with another ICE it may seem power isn't significantly lost, as they all degrade at similar rates, when comparing a combustion engine with an electric engine the relative power difference does become more significant.

[@josephblank1535]

B S

[@mblake0420]

Nope, ill keep my engine, i can start once every 3 months, little maintenance and it will run for 100 years. Try that with batteries, Goodluck

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Ahem ... EV traction batteries have low self-discharge these are not lead-acid car batteries of yore. SImilarly if a battery is as lightly used, keept with a maintenance charge then it too will run for a long time - a 3000 cycle typical EV battery topped up once every three months would required 750 years to hit the cycle limit. There is an battery at Oxford university that has been operating continously for 184 years.

[@mblake0420]

@GruffSillyGoat the battery itself will break down, and catch fire....Goodluck

[@briantilley3158]

The sad thing is you actually believe EVs are a sensible solution for net zero. Totally ignoring how the electricity is generated or how the national grid would cope if we all had EVs😢

[@crm114.]

Renewables account for between 30-40% of the UK electricty over the year. Over the past year in the UK, 122g of CO2 were emitted for every kWh generated (Nationa Grid Live). EVs can easily get 3 miles per kWH so that’s around 40g C02 per mile. Compare that with the >250g CO2 per mile of the average ICE car. And that doesn’t take into account EVs that are charged on greener energy at night or on solar. So we are not ignoring how the electrons are generated.

[@ambassadorfromreality1125]

The sad thing is you actually don't know that the electric drive is 3-4 times more efficient than ice drives and uses much less primary energy than ice drives. Also electricity can be 100% carbon free. It is already 50% in uk. Combustion is always 100% carbon forming.

[@karlhulme8014]

All current EVs are only practical if you can charge at home , nobody who lives in a flat or a house without a drive or garage should be considering one. That’s an awful lot of people.

[@timoliver8940]

Why shouldn’t people who live in flats or a house without a drive consider an EV, tell me because I have neighbours in flats with EVs living on the same developement as me. I have a house with a drive but they only have allocated parking slots. They are way better off than me because they have FREE charging at work that they utilise while their car is parked up all day at the office and I have to pay 7p/kWh to charge my EV. You need to do some research before making such bold claims that NOBODY without a driveway should,consider an EV. Oh and before you jump off the deep end they don’t get salary sacrifice benefits for buying their EVs they have to buy/lease their cars themselves.

[@davetakesiton]

What utter tripe! About 20% of EV owners cannot charge at home and are perfectly happy. Please keep your negative made up lies to yourself

[@karlhulme8014]

21% of housing in the UK are flats. 23% are terraced properties. Source: Office for National Statistics.

[@scottwills4698]

80% of car drivers have off street parking. I know several people who are doing 3-4k miles per month in Škoda Enyaq’s who cannot charge at home. They cannot even charge at work but use public chargers and customers chargers.

[@karlhulme8014]

80% ! Wow, I guess you have a more reliable source than ONS ? Tell me where I can get your stats from please.

[@Jimages_uk]

I would expect any ICE driver to compare your car's figures with an equivalent ICE car, perhaps an AMG S Class, or one of the more powerful 7 series BMW's, while in the real world, your car is more economical than a frugal small ICE car.

[@markwilliams5654]

Just wondering if you're a mechanic

[@St.AustellBlue]

How much are you paid to peddle this Propaganda?

[@martinwray7001]

@@St.AustellBlue sorry the truth doesn't feed your confirmation bias.

[@barnseyfrommossley]

Foxtrot Oscar, the facts speak for themselves.

[@pauldenney7908]

A lot less than the oil industry pay to Diss BEVs

[@markwilliams5654]

Batteries fail all the time and you can't repair them they have to be completely replaced how do I know I'm a master technician and work on cars

[@Brian-om2hh]

Oh right. So Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire, carrying out battery pack refurbishments and posting videos of those refurbishments on KZbin, is just an illusion then?

[@crm114.]

I thought you had unsubscribed. Yet, here you are still posting misinformation.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

You claim false information is presented in this video in another post, and then post false information yourself. It's obvious you're not part of the HEVRA network of service centres who indeed do repair EV batteries. As HEVRA have published the failure rate of batteries is very low - even in the case of some of the early EV models where battery thermal management wasn't implemented, where batteries are more stressed than in other BEVs. Yes batteries fail but not at a signficant rate and nowhere near as often as the components in an ICEVs of the same age.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Roflmfao.. you talk nonsense, try and come up with a troll that's original

[@timoliver8940]

What utter rot markwilliams is posting - just watch TeslaBjorn’s channel when he visits his sponsor Ebilmek in Oslo - they frequently repair cell packs, vent valves and battery seals and very very rarely have to replace a complete battery pack and often the battery packs they have to repair are ancient packs but it’s only a few cells or valves that need replacing and not the entire pack.