These EV Chargers Are Confusing... And It's Not Just Me!

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Dave, the chargers in the video (9:32) are compliant with the CPO regulations there are no requirements to display charger availability in an app; rather they are required to collate aggregate reliability statistics and make these available on their website. The only display requirement within the regulations are the _Price Transparency_ ones, which states either displayed on the charger *or* via an app/separate device; as long as the app is accessible without a contract being required to access it. An app can lag or even not display anything if the charger displays the current pricing details on the terminal screen. This is a usability consideration rather than a regulatory one.

[@timoliver8940]

I use my Electroverse card for Ionity and have never had any money reserved on my account doing it that way.

[@Un-Apologetic]

Do you find it cheaper as I'm an Octopus customer and I've tried it at a few local chargers and both times the price on the Electroverse app was more expensive than the charger price. Octopus claim upto 15% cheaper ?

[@reiniernn9071]

That is because the pay guarantee comes from Electroverse.... I use my hyundai charge card...also that ios payment once a month. Reservation will be used if you pay with any crdit of bamk card.

[@Sean-uk4tf]

Same with my renault charge pass. I get 46p per kwh. I find ionity really good on the move, but none in my home area. 🐙 Does do cheaper, but you have to check if the charger doesn't have discounts available on their own app first

[@CW-om2qq]

It also depends whether your Electroverse account is linked to your credit card or your energy account. If it's a credit card then a pre-auth happens automatically, but it's cleared as soon as the payment is made. That can be rapid, so you don't see any pre-auth.

[@robinallen7356]

You MISSED one of the best features of the Ionity lights! Down the front of each charger there's a glowing white line. That line shows at a glance how charged each car is. So you can easily see which car has just started charging vs which car is at 90% and about to leave.

[@mjcamp01]

Good info, thanks

[@andrewharland7727]

Dave takes it on should be renamed Dave Makes it up

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Lots of stuff to brake down, myself prefer to check my app.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

unless it's that moron that's finished charging but is still sat there

[@robinallen7356]

I get that you are saying you are confused, but you are confused by having MORE information. Just imagine they didn't have purple and white lights on the top - then would you be able to figure out which are occupied just by looking at the cars parked in the bays? Even if the lights aren't always showing the correct status, they're a pretty good indication of which bays to aim for, that you can see all the way from the other side of the car park. So even if they aren't perfect all the time (and I agree they do often get stuck) it's still better than not having them.

[@mjcamp01]

£40 preauth also gives a lot of perspective to the home charging, which most cars would even from empty struggle to get to £7 on a cheap tariff

[@CW-om2qq]

But you're not getting DC rapid charging from an expensive charger at peak time when you charge at home on AC.

[@markrozee]

I wish the lights were ROYGBIV , just to annoy the Daily Mail🎉

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@markrozee - That or the colour matches the pink or blue depending upon which coloured new Jag turns up.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

Or LGBTQ (lilac, green, blue, turquoise, quartz grey - struggled with that last one 🙂)

[@caterthun4853]

Why not have a standard in lighting. Green for available. Red for in use or in fault condition.

[@MartynDews]

I drive past the new Ionity hub in Lancaster regularly and the lights on the top of the units seem to bear no resemblance to whether it's occupied or not. Very confusing.

[@RichardBacon-h5x]

One for you to follow up Dave, if FastNed can allow you to register your car and plug and charge like Teslas at Tesla sites, then why can't the other charger companies do the same and avoid all this messing around selecting chargers and payment options. I've registered my MG4 with FastNed and used their plug and charge and it works just fine.

[@djtaylorutube]

Because they just don't care and that's the world of disparate charging companies with no affiliation with vehicle manufacturers. Manufacturers don't care because charging is an owner problem after purchase.

[@TheSmallRabbit]

Yes this has to be the future plug n play no faffing with apps or convoluted hidden payment methods.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Plug & Charge is part of the CCS protocol, which is what Tesla use behind the scenes. Other operators are rolling it out but it takes both the car and the charger to support the handshake, the car provides a digital certificate to prove it is who it is and provides details of the payment service to use. Tesla default the payment service to themselves, not sure if the UI allows this to be changed. Ionity and Electroverse offer Plug & Charge on a range of vehicles that support it. Other CPOs are considering it as payment roaming is mandated in the new CPO regulations but the CPO's have two years to implement it. Fastned, with their Autocharge, do something a little different the car doesn't provide certificates or payment service details just it's VIN in the normal charging session setup data exchange with the charger. They then lookup the saved payment details on their database and charge using this information. This is similar to how apps process payments. The concern is security of this approach as to whether any device becomes available to spoof the VIN details.

[@RichardBacon-h5x]

​@djtaylorutube thanks that was really interesting 👍

[@zaranohare1768]

I use fastned at haydock and tesla in flint and Trafford centre, no charger anxiety with these, all the rest then I start sweating, I whish they would all get there act together, there's lots of chargers about but we should be able to trust them, also I do try not to use them cos most are priced ridiculously, the cheaper ones mean I can get a free lunch lol 😊

[@fenegroni]

Good to call out Ionity.👏

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

I’ve also noticed several times 2 chargers of the same company with the same kilo watt output for the same charging time with a massive difference in price, I mean more than double such that I now know a particular charger that is so expensive that many drivers avoid it and would rather wait for the cheaper one to be vacant.

[@johndoyle4723]

I have used Ionity plenty of times, always had a good fast but expensive experience. Some Instavolt also have lights on the top. Yes, they are all a bit confusing at first.

[@huwjones5879]

It would be very interesting in situations like these if you were to give the helpline a call to see how they handled things?

[@hansj5846]

Helpline for what? Everything worked although signage was lacking.

[@nyeainsbar2793]

I tried to use Ionity once about two years ago. Plugged in car, cable locked, wouldn’t accept payment and then wouldn’t let go of car for about ten minutes. Always avoided Ionity since.

[@Mr_ZeroFuel]

I use my Mini charging card with an Ionity subscription for £5.49 per month and 33p/kWh (both invoiced monthly). What I've noticed at Cobham Ionity where I charge frequently is a random guy who goes around the chargers and placing the CCS charger correctly back into its charger port, that's when the charger lights change from purple to white. EV drivers usually leave the CCS charging cable midway inside the charger port, you have to push it right in until the charger light changes colour. Or sometimes, the charge didn't stop correctly and the charger needs a reboot for a new charging session. Very odd though, you'd think the range would drop in line with December weather. In the past 2 weeks, I've activated preconditioning at 19 degrees in the lowest setting for 10 mins. Even in 50mph wind, the range stayed the same! Departed from my house in West London with 100% SoC / 99 miles and arrived in Dorking, Surrey with 80% SoC / 65 miles. But then I do a lot of hill driving for the next 2 hours and the range is at 50% SoC, meaning I don't need to use a public charger to get home. And when I do arrive home, I've got 30% SoC which is just incredible for this time of year. Tyre pressure set to 2.5 bars all around, driving in sport mode throughout, sometimes 50-70mph where appropriate but mainly 30mph. So far this month, I've spent £20 charging at home and have driven 1,250 miles! 7p/kWh overnight charging with Octopus Intelligent. If I desperately need a charge during the day, I use the Tesla superchargers in Box Hill, Surrey at 40p/kWh (usually 20-25kW required, £8-£10). Lastly, I've noticed that when preconditioning the car in cool/heat for 10 mins, the rapid acceleration in sport mode is 10x more rapid, actually frighteningly fast, you can certainly feel the car pulling and it doesn't stop until reaching 70mph from 0mph! I'm looking to get a 2nd Mini electric (gen 3) to convert to a JCW LCI2 and do some crazy stuff with it. Maybe tune the battery to make it go even faster or longer, who knows ;)

[@cassopsnoxdigger614]

well done Dave..another very good job...keep it up m8, these must be the first version of IONITY'S chargers... the ionity chargers that i use are simple.

[@Sean-uk4tf]

I agree. Never seen the central card reader before.

[@ians3328]

Long time since I use Ionity but if they were not contactless (even though they have the symbol on them) how did you pay? Presumably through an app only. Pretty sure all the Ionity ones I have used had contactless on the device though I was using the discounted RFID card. I stopped going to Ionity as they were nearly always full because so many discount schemes used them.

[@paulweston1106]

Can't say I've ever noticed the lights on the Ionity chargers. Every time I've used them there has been a queue, so I just pull into a bay when it becomes free and it's my turn. They aren't cheap but I never had any issues using them although I use the Electroverse RFID card. They are fast with my Ioniq 5 though. I have seen the 'remote' card payment terminal cause some confusion though.

[@mjcamp01]

You also missed the Red car in bay two for the second half of your video appears to not be changing, had some strange graphics, then the same out of order logo you briefly showed

[@Stepbystep74]

They all work but I feel the lack of clarity can be confusing. It should be clear before you pull off the main road, how many are free and the price per kWh on tap to pay.

[@sargfowler9603]

Why aren't they covered with a roof? Getting out to charge up in the rain/snow isn't fun.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Who owns the car park, who's responsible for putting up the canopies, whose responsibility is it to maintain and insure them, does planning permission exist to cover such? Most sites with canopies are owned/leased and operated by a CPO itself, where the canaopy was part of the planning application, rather than a sub-lease style arrangement within an existing car park.

[@hansj5846]

Give it time. Just saw a new service station that doesn't sell diesel or petrol.

[@the_none_believer]

Always nice and dry fueling my ICE in 5 minutes 😊

[@hansj5846]

@the_none_believer I hope that's not your strongest argument.... We all know that Britain isn't exactly at the forefront of innovation

[@the_none_believer]

@hansj5846 l don't know this government is wasting billions on pounds of taxpayer's cash on carbon capture that won't work, and it's proven planting trees does work, but we are currently cutting them down for wind farms in Scotland true fact just Google trees cut down for wind farms. It wrapped in some flannel but the facts are there.

[@James-BB70]

Do all public chargers have a pre-authorisation charge? I'm new to EV ownership and have only charged at home so far.

[@roxdude]

Pretty much, if you use a contactless payment. Easier don't mean it's always better. I heard bad stories of some who used they're debt card and the pre-payment was taken, but the charge didn't start, and they swiped again, and another prepayment was taken and not released for days. Spoiling their day out. So best to use a credit card. Or an RFID card or the actual app with a passport in Ionity's case.

[@TheSmallRabbit]

So what was the procedure at this site to pay by contactless? 1) choose a free charger on the card machine and pay £40 then walk to the charger and 2) Just plug it in? Or 1) plug in the free charger 2) walk to card machine to get it to start by paying? Not very intuitive are they.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@michaeldawson6309 - the latter, the shared payment terminal works the same as a on charger terminal. You plugin, start a charge session on the charge point, then walk and select the charger on the shared payment terminal and tap the card. If alls well the charging should start shortly afterwards. RFID is still accepted at the charger.

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

Ionity are definitely a lot easier using the app.Has always worked well for me, only ever come across one that was broken in perhaps 40 charging sesssions, that was at Cullompton.

[@reiniernn9071]

I'm used to ionity chargers (on long trips ) in Germany and Poland. Those light up green (available) or blue/purple when in use. No light if out of order. Which not often happens. I use a rfid card (hyunday) which works with most chargers at my journeys. (Ionity is owned by some carmakers from Germany AND hyundai...) Never tried if my banccard also would work. But I've seen some chargers who have printed symbols about which direct pbankcards they accept.

[@barrymurton8988]

It just the network updating the app and your phone, there will always be a lag. It all depends on the bandwidth etc!

[@MrPindie]

I’ve never managed to get an Ionity charger to work even using the app and the have all my details for payment. They need to make it work like Tesla.

[@garrycroft4215]

I used to use this site ones a week with my last car BMWi3s in all my years of charging I can’t answer this question.. the i3 can only charge at 50kW and usually started at 40 something and tailed off as it filled up exactly how you would expect. Not here it would start at 50kW and flatline at 50 kW right up to 90%. Never have I had that at any other charging station.

[@TheSmallRabbit]

My i3 charges flat mostly 45kW they are so efficient even when arriving with a cold battery. BMWs seem to charge well.

[@GeoffreyTrigg]

Charging plug not put back correctly won’t put light change through

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Charger company tried hard to make it a complex and confusing, marketing department must have overrode the engineering department. The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption, still meeting its plan.

[@craigevans6156]

IONITY are great chargers, but the price! 😓

[@charlesflouvat1829]

Could do with a cash slot

[@djtaylorutube]

@@charlesflouvat1829 How would that work? I never carry cash, no use to me. Someone would have to come and empty it, requiring constant attention and that would only drive up costs.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Call me suspicious but are you missing some sought of personal revenue stream since contactless became available?

[@DB25k]

Brilliant video dave ,great to see you in the front line giving us the legend of the ionity light meaning. Is the ionity reboot screen using Linux code. I can see some /media/ mounted drive definitions. 😊

[@GruffSillyGoat]

The logo indicates it's an ABB charger unit inside. The boot output certainly suggests possibly Linux is involved (eth0 eth1 etc.) although hard to tell these days as embedded systems/RTOS's return similar boot logs and use similar naming conventions.

[@charlesflouvat1829]

The law says chargers must have contactless, it doesn't say you can't have a cash slot. When was the law passed to refuse payment with the Kings head on it?

[@GruffSillyGoat]

That would be the Electronic Money Regulations 2011, and the respective Payment Service Regulations. Coin/cash has been optional for a fair while now, and not limited to chargers (Pay at Pump is the same).

[@MichaelSmith-us9ch]

Pre-pay £40 ????? That is NOT Copntactless payment. May not be so bad if they reserve £40 and only charge what is actually used.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Stopped st Cedar Court Hotel at the top of the M606 Bradford to use one of the 18 brand new V4 Tesla chargers, does this make it a giga site?. Phenomenal charging speed, just plug in and that's it!. Look like open to all as they have contactless payment screens which we Tesla driver's don't need.

[@AndyJHiscock]

I was suprised Tesla chargers have an exception from the compliance regulations - Other CPOs had to modify theirs, anyone know why Tesla gets a free pass?

[@djtaylorutube]

Would you prefer they went back to Tesla only? That's an option.

[@keithdenton8386]

@@djtaylorutube Yes Yes please Tesla only.

[@djtaylorutube]

@keithdenton8386 😁

[@GruffSillyGoat]

The possibly didn't get a pass the regulations state the 1 year implemenation date starts from when the CPO opens up their network; which can be done by site by site. It would have been within Tesla's gift to reclass a V2/3 open-to-all charger site as Tesla-only before the 24/11/24 deadline date then subsequently re-open the site just before the deadline date (or even afterwards) to start the 1 year implementaiton clock ticking again. V4 chargers are compliant with the regulations. A similar 1 year implementation duration would apply after the deadline date if Tesla open up a V2.V3 charger site that has only ever been Tesla-only; it's only new build open-to-all sites that must adhere to the CPO regulations from the day they open. Tesla can use this mechanism as they operate three seperate networks in the UK - Tesla desitnation chargers (under 8kw, all exempted within the regulations), Tesla only superchargers (fall outside the regulations) and Tesla open to all superchargers (must adhear to the regulations but with varying implementation deadlines).

[@johniooi3954]

4 Avaiable? Thats the one with the car connected & no longer charging...

[@kophotography895]

The company does not want to pay per charger for card readers cost money and tax avoidance

[@terrymackenzie6784]

Do you plug in first and then pay or pay first then plug in I never worked it out but then discovered Tesla open to all that doesn't seem to mind so don't bother with anything else now

[@Joe-lb8qn]

AFAICS the charger manufacturers and operators conspired together to each pick one unique permutation order of pre paying, plugging in, selecting a socket type, choosing a payment method and selecting a charger. Get three cherries in a row and you win a free charge.

[@robinbennett5994]

It doesn't usually matter when you plug in, as none of them seem smart enough to notice which plug you used.

[@TheSmallRabbit]

@@Joe-lb8qn Bit like the early days of VHS recording. Bit of machine programming needed :-)

[@jonfb1683]

I don’t fancy faffing around with that contactless terminal in the rain! One of the problems with different charging companies is that the process for charging is slightly different. You have to read the instructions to find the correct order of doing things. And different coloured lights or bays for different companies add to the confusion, especially if your colour blind! I would like to see colours and text to make it clear which charges are available and which are out of order. And some covers would be nice!

[@junehanzawa5165]

I hope all this contactless payment stuff is ONLY for those that don't want to use and app? But for majority, who don't mind an app, it's still possible to use the app? All this credit card stuff seems like going backwards to the 20th century. Why not just use plug and charge like Tesla has for over a decade? Others are joining the 21st century in America going the plug and charge route, and Norway has used it forever now.

[@CW-om2qq]

Wait until your somewhere remote, it's cold and wet, and you need yet another app - but your phone's network isn't supported in that region. Apps are generally, poor, unreliable, and far too many if them. Credit card (or Google Pay, or Apple pay if you want your life to be on your easily snatched phone) has got to be better than all this.

[@ByronSipson]

I hope it gets better I went on a road trip from Grimsby to Windermere and needed to charge and what a mere slapping it down with rain dark cold no cover no lighting having to download yet another app get it sorted for gods sake you go to a petrol station your under cover it’s light use your card fill up done !

[@solentbum]

When I first started to travel by private car I remember my Dad using a hand wound pump, in the dark and the rain, and that was when ICE cars had been around for over 50 years!. I suggest that EV chargers are at about year 25 .

[@hansj5846]

Just give it time mate. EVs are an afterthought for garages but it'll change very quickly.

[@ByronSipson]

@@hansj5846 yeah haha hope it does love the car fantastic to drive home chargings ace they just need to step up their game

[@perk70]

Welcome to bonkers britain!

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

You should get the people responsible for the chargers (all brands) and put their feet to the fire to explain why the app isn't updated in real time and why a plugged in charger that is no longer charging is shown as available etc

[@hansj5846]

Why? There are no legal requirements for them to display real time information.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

@@hansj5846 why should it be a legal requirement? its basic customer service

[@anignorantbrit]

Awesome channel that I have only just discovered and subscribed too. In my opinion the charging network in the UK is a total mess. I fortunately don't need to use it that often as I can charge at home and at work. If I do need to use a main charger I am close to two Tesla Supercharger areas which always have bays available. What the legislation should have done is put the onus of handling who owns what charger with the suppliers and not the customer. I would have done this: 1- All EV charge point suppliers contribute to a single fund that goes towards producing a single app. Instead of needing 20 different apps on your phone you just need one and when you plug in it then just docks your debit card or bank account the amount charged (similar to how the Tesla app works.) Which suppliers then gets the money should all be handled in the back end to make it much easier and simpler for the customer. 2- Creation of an EV regulator. 3- Agreement from the suppliers for an X level of availability on their network. For example, if they own 5,000 charge points they agree that 90% of them must be working at any one time. 4- Agreement to install a minimum of X new charge points on an annual basis. 5- More funding into research for wireless motorway charging and parking bay charging. Currently drive a Tesla Model 3 RWD, but am thinking of getting a BYD Seal Excellence early next year.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@anignorantbrit - Some observations on the points raised: 1 - the UK is moving away from APPs/RFID, now seeking to align charging with already established payment processing regulations. The recent CPO regulations forces operators to support both third-party and contactless card payment, the latter being the UK's universal option for payment process; apps and RFID approaches are now relegated to secondary mechanisms. The regulations also introduce payment roaming, similar to fuel-cards with the likes of Octopus's Electroverse being available to provide such. This should also drive up the adoption of vehicle based Plug & Charge as it removes the slow per CPO negotiation that previously had to take place to roll out third-party payment to networks. This should in future allow payment details to be provided by the car without needing to using card or apps. 2 - already exists, with the introduction of the recent CPO regulations the Office for Product Safety and Standards (OPSS) performs the regulatory role on behalf of the Office for Zero Emission Vehicles, which sets the policies and frameworks. A new dedicated regulator would just complicate things, introduce delays and confuse responsibilities. 3 - already exists, reliability monitoring forms part of the new CPO regulations that came into force last month (target is 99% reliability). 4 - this is a commercial matter, fixed targets tend to get abused or circumvented so not achieve goals. However, the Office for Zero Emission Vehicles has introduced a range of measures and incentives to drive roll out for the gap areas in the UK charging map - such as the Chargepoint and Infrastructure grant, Renters/Flat Owners/Landlords Grant, Staff/Fleet car park grant, and Workplace charging schemes. 5 - wireless charging remains niche, even with 10's of millions of UK tax payer money invested over the past five years. As yet the technology still resides at the research/feasibility/trial stage, to take a step forward the technology requires a halo automaker player to step forward to drive it's adoption rather than more money thrown at pure research. Personally having suffered Smart Motorway roll-outs and the continued reworking since they were implemented I'd rather not have the motorways torn up again to implement wireless charging lanes using speculative technology at this stage. It is looking more likely that wireless charging will be utilised for HGVs charging first, then once established will filter back into smaller vehicles.

[@the_none_believer]

Get ready for variable charging cost where you will be charged an eye watering amount to charge your EV between 16:00 to 19:00 (peak tariff) as the demand for charging EV's goes up due to being forced down this cul-de-sac by current government. My predictions is you won't be able to charge your ev between these times unless you're very very well off, you will just have to wait in the services until 19:00 hrs. Is a premium charged between these times currently ld be interested to know. Large electricity users get significant reductions to avoid using power in these times, so l assume it will flow through to EV charging especially if this electrification madness carries over to commercial vehicles.

[@davetakesiton]

Wow! Jackanory! How long did that one take to make up. PS I assume you heard about Tesla installing batteries at future chargers to charge up off peak? Didn’t think so

[@the_none_believer]

Hello Dave in my opinion all these battery farms are going to be flat out just to keep the lights on as we go hell for leather dependent on electricity for travel, heating, industry etc etc. Currently becalmed again wind supplying 6% of our current demand 60% plus gas😂. Smart meters have been in industry for years there for one reason variable pricing, and that's what will happen at peak times and when the windmills stop, prices will go up when they stop turning, and down when it's windy. Supply will be throttled at peak times , and cut to keep essential services going. Prices for peak charging will be immense to discourage demand 😊, but your entitled to your view, as l mine. let's see who's right Dave in a few year's time as this insane EV mandate bites and we all need to plug in our EVs (apart from me), run our noisy inefficient heat pumps 24/7 as they don't heat the water high enough to stop legionella so you need top up with a immersion heater. My prediction is a cold dark, one stuck at home because you've EVs battery is flat, and that's just where the government wants you.

[@Un-Apologetic]

Thanks again Dave for highlighting these eye-wateringly expensive, ridiculously unreliable chargers and APPs. I thank my lucky stars that I've got a diesel and a PHEV that I charge at home. For mass EV adoption it has to cheaper than the alternative and more convenient than the alternative. So far it's light years away from that.

[@tangoadvance8393]

Have a day off you Luddite, there is nothing complicated about using an app. I used IONITY the other day. Seamless charge and got 260kwh speed. 43p per kWh.

[@crm114.]

Looking at the SMMT data, diesel cars don’t look light years away from extinction.

[@Un-Apologetic]

@crm114. You're probably right. I think diesel and petrol cars probably have only 30-40 years left. Diesel vans and HGV will be worldwide for an indefinite time.

[@crm114.]

@@Un-ApologeticI’m hopeful that batteries will take over the bigger stuff as well. Time will tell.

[@Nearly-Insane]

​@crm114. I run class 1 lorries, and there is no infrastructure for Hgv charging at all in the UK. Germany has the most Hgv chargers, but most you have to drop the trailer to charge, which isn't practical. Vans unless something big happens very soon with battery range EV vans will be discontinued within 12 months I think. Most only have a range of upto 150 miles empty. Put a load in it, then roof rack and ladders and most things van drivers use and you're lucky to get 60 miles out of one.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

Most of these videos are about the ‘nightmare’ (not my words, but Dave’s) and daily inconvenience of EV charging, the high cost of public charging, occasionally entertaining some hopes and aspirations about the future state of affairs getting better, while the ‘EV haters’ are fairly regularly referenced, even in video titles. Meanwhile, these chargers are on trading estates that many of us never want to visit, they are usually without a roof and they all look so soulless, charmless and depressing. They can put as many colours and stickers on the industrial boxes, these locations are car parks and back ends to trading or industrial estates where none of you would want to be otherwise.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

David must have discovered the shadow banning or hiding feature.

[@peterking2794]

I've never had that problem with a petrol pump! 😀

[@TheSmallRabbit]

I was at a Pay at pump (ICE) recently and tried to pay with my phone wallet. ... Nope can't do that need a physical card to pre pay. So there all crap.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

​@@TheSmallRabbitand pay at pump in some cases, takes a prepayment.

[@GibGeeks]

Why are you such a tesla fanboy Dave when they are crap as well as their questionable owner, do you give unbiased reporting about non Tesla services? I use IONITY and dont have any issues ever. I have a subscription with Ionity to get a reduction which makes it easier and totaly un necessary to drive anywhere near Tesla charing points!

[@davetakesiton]

A Tesla EV became the best selling car in the whole world in 2023 and when I charge at a supercharger I pay less than half what Ionity charges. Nuff said?

[@stevelongden7368]

@@davetakesitonDon’t listen to the nutjobs Dave, just glad he stays away from the Superchargers 😂

[@davidilm3752]

Another Elon hater by any chance?😂

[@GibGeeks]

@@davetakesiton They are not currently the bigest EV manufacturere though are they? and what time in the morning do you have to charge your car to get 50% offf what I pay. I dont need to justify my cynicism just asking you to give balanced reporting and stop being such a fan boy! Your channel is not called tesla takes It on is it? Every one of your videos mentions Tesla, and we dont all have our heads up Tesla!

[@GibGeeks]

@@stevelongden7368 If having an opinion makes me a nut job then thats a label I am happy to have.

[@hugheffo]

Wait till next April 2025, and the sale of EV’s will drop like a stone, as all the tax breaks will go, and all business car owners will jump back to petrol or diesel.

[@waynekerrr9027]

I use petrol car..pop in 5 minutes under a forecourt cover, then onwards for another 500 miles ...arrrhhh, EV the future 😂😂😂😂😂

[@davetakesiton]

I hope you enjoy the massive 52.95p duty you paid on each litre plus the 20% VAT. I pay no fuel duty and 5% VAT. Plus enjoy your new VED road tax rate next year. Mine goes up to £20

[@tangoadvance8393]

@@davetakesitonNot only that but he drove off safe in the knowledge that if he put £100 in his tank £70 will be used to keep him nice and warm warm. Imagine celebrating the inefficiencies of the internal combustion engine.

[@stum8374]

When i pay cash for my diesel i dont need to pre-approved 😂😂😂😂 if you dont die in an ev your in debt 😂

[@briankavanagh7191]

some Petrol/diesel pay at pump terminals (UK) take between £99-£120 pre- authorisation charge.

[@Circadianic]

It’s all a big flop! Bloody lot of it! Ok, so it’s 2035, and everyone now is in these sodding electric vehicles Great! so off ya go brown to your charging station (probably miles away) to top up There’s about 12 cars in front, all having to wait 20 to 30 bloody minutes to charge the battery! So , it’s gonna be a good 2 to 3 hours before you can even get into the charging bay! This going to work? I’ll leave it at that!

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Myself charge at home 99% of the time, $8.00 per 1000km, full battery every morning. No more freezing my ass of for 5 minutes in the winter at the pump. No more stench of gas or diesel, no more oil changes, no more rotting exhast systems, breaks last for ever. Can't wait for 2035, getting those FF burners off the road.