The truth about long service intervals and running in your engine | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@FredPilcher]

I took your advice and hit you up on the web site...for that. Great discount! Thanks John.

[@KnightXV]

What vehicle are you buying?

[@garageblitztv3215]

First service - John is correct! I did an Oil Analysis on the Mrs car at its first 15,000klm service by Techenomics in Newcastle. While all contaminates (including various metals) were elevated they were still inside acceptable levels. Also worth noting is that most manufacturers use a much superior oil filter out of the factory as well. For example on new Toyota’s and Lexus they use a “Depth” filter and not a standard single element paper filter. The factory filters are very thick and consist of a complex membrane to trap more contaminates and also at smaller microns. So don’t panic - as John said some quality engineers are behind this! Personally I think you risk more damage from poor servicing practices - or contamination at service!

[@lesliedsouza4077]

Dat da one :) When in doubt - Check it out :) Big fan of lab oil checks, too. Engine, trans, final drive. Be Careful :) It can be addictive. If you start wondering about every ppm, Every oil change... You're hooked? :)

[@6point5by55]

Most OEM filters seem to be switching from old-style paper elements to synthetic fibre elements with smaller pore sizes. But you can't beat a good full-depth filter for sure. I used an old Trasko brand for years and it was great.

[@garageblitztv3215]

Short trips and length of time Vs Hard driving - another evidence based example of Johns comments. One of my vehicles was used for short trips for 8 months. I decided that I better change the oil and for an experiment I had the oil tested. Sure enough it came back with high levels of fuel and moisture. As a result metals were elevated (but still in acceptable levels) compared to previous Oil Analysts - most definitely if I had have left the oil in any longer it would have done damage. Compare this to my 500Hp Supra the oil in the short trip vehicle was in poor condition in regards to contamination. For the record both vehicles were using the same brand of high quality PAO synthetic engine oil. John does not make this stuff up as he goes!

[@therealvanilla]

Watch out in the land rovers our intervals are in 16k miles not km's. Dont see problems in the petrol engines but the diesels are dying from it.

[@yetiboy01australia23]

@@therealvanilla Land rovers just die no matter what you do, its just in their dna

[@ASHbyGiM]

I'm from Europe, and a lot of things don't apply to us here but even so I'm a suscriber becouse I learned a lot of things from your videos, what can I say good job John, thanks for everything and a big 👍 from me.

[@chriscole3423]

We also hit you up recently....Old car left yesterday on a towy and new car was delivered with a full tank of fuel...Best part is not having to deal with the little turd down the road...Not a bad saving on the local turds best deal too...

[@eru6ite]

I did hit you up on your website and saved on my purchase then unexpectedly got a great deal on the trade in too. I'm a happy camper! 👍🍻😁

[@emmett3067]

John, appreciate your point about improved engineering in engine design, tolerances and oil however I can't help but think that servicing requirements, duration and costs have as much to do with the total sales and marketing story as they do with vehicle longevity and reliability.

[@DRT81K]

Thanks John. This was perfect timing. Just bought a new Ranger and was wondering about this exact same thing.

[@keithreynolos1045]

Hahahaha you bought a ford?... Oooops

[@Jefe_Perro]

My ex wife had long service intervals.... I had to upgrade from that situation.

[@gbnq2513]

Mine has high maintenance costs :/ Maybe I should 'upgrade' to a newer model.

[@gazzafloss]

You need the right tool for some...

[@saauuzza]

@@gazzafloss even with the right tool, if the maintenance costs too high there is probably not much point in keeping her.

[@muzzmac160]

@@gbnq2513 Newer models are even higher maintenance.

[@bobmirdiff2043]

I was arrested recently for being 'Found in Possession of an Offensive Wife!'

[@bruceparr1678]

I put some synthetic 75/90 gear oil in my 1984 manual gearbox. The smoothness was vastly improved and 14 months later it feels as good as new.

[@1contrarian]

Thank you for the ladies clips. Oh and the rest as well.

[@adventures_with_simo]

This point of this video was lost on me! Once the “mechanics” were on screen I forgot what we were talking about 😂

[@alexgeorge2993]

Happy Friday mate, wow 2 ming mole showings. I think it's a sign that I am going to have a good weekend.

[@danstevens2204]

Manufacturers of power equipment engines still recommend the first oil change at 8-10 hrs. Atv’s and farm machinery at 50hrs that’s the equivalent of 5000km at 100kmh. While the technology in both has also increased the intervals have not.

[@54macdog]

"...just ask any ming mole". I nearly fell out of my chair!

[@MrGeoff1952]

Ming Moll

[@christianvalenzuela9528]

I fell off my chair ....

[@HughesyTech]

Great video John, should do one on the dodgy contracts that dealers put to the customer.

[@valdius85]

I saw a video on YT of one of these late first oil changes. It was a 2.0l turbo gasoline engine. There were plenty of small metal parts inside the oil filter - he took the whole oil filter apart. The whole volume of the oil was filtered out by the mechanic and there were metal parts floating in the oil as well. So there you go - the car manufacturer assumed it is safe to have metal particles floating in the oil in a new generation turbo gasoline engine. Make your own judgment, otherwise, German companies will do that for you. :) Yes, the brand was a high class German vehicle.

[@graemeottey]

Waldemar Ishibashi as long as it’s floating in the oil and captured by the filter, that’s ok. If the oil starts breaking down and losing the shear tension of the oil, that’s when the suspended metal becomes wearing metal.

[@valdius85]

@@graemeottey Of course, he was just curious if there is any crap inside the car oil filter. He also took the whole volume of the oil that came out of the pan and filtered it by himself. The metal particles were there as well. That means the metal particles were free-flowing inside the engine. This was scary to me and I would not want that to happen in my "high end" fancy car. I hope my English is clear ;)

[@valdius85]

@@graemeottey kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJnbin-Gq7mEhdE This video shows a car with its first change after 22k km. Have a look. It is in Polish but you might be able to see. This oil change was done before the advised time by the manufacturer.

[@ritual64]

Hi John, just wondering when our next beer garden physics lesson will be. They're both informative and entertaining. Let's face facts, I'm up for a bit of that... down there... in the beer garden.

[@jfrag911]

You had my vote at Ming moles . Love you're work.

[@lfsracer79]

*your

[@fenderOCG]

@pete smyth it's mole

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I do think that the European car makers have actually extended their cars service interval out so long as to make sure the engine is effectively destroyed in 10 years. BMW for instance monitors the oil quality and usage to extend the interval to over 2 years. This is meant to cover harsh use. However if you work on these cars you find all the oil seals have hardened to a crisp by 5 or so years effectively making the car an absolute nightmare for the 2nd or 3rd owner. Some people argue this is due to excessive heat. But it's not as European cars have big oil coolers. It's due to the contaminated oil.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

Good info...that probably means, don't buy a second hand European make. I was semi seriously considering a used Touareg 4xMotion to tow a trailer around Australia. Aside from getting spares out back, this puts another nail in the coffin of that idea! Pity, it would be a very comfortable and capable unit!

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

@@MiniLuv-1984 I would not go that far. Just be very careful to have it checked it before buying and once you have it change the oil once or more than once a year. Also do all other fluids when you get it.

[@benkoppenol]

You are right John, it is in the manual, small characters down below advise half the time, we get it done as part of service for free. Greetings Benk.

[@sammolloy1]

When Ethylene Glycol antifreeze came out, Buick had to put their head bolts in blind holes, as the coolant would now climb down the threads into the oil pan. Ford’s first attempt at extended service intervals in 1961 was a disaster, although the big FL-1A oil filter did survive until quite recently. GM specified 10 PSI for the rear tires of early GTO’s. Car manufacturers have been claiming their paint never need waxing for some time. They still sell wax. Those oil change intervals are mandated by Gooberments who don’t think peasants should have a car at all, and are only designed to make the heap survive the warranty. I change it at 500 miles or several billion millimeters, then go on a 3,000 mile schedule. I put the tires somewhat above the recommended level. And I use Meguiars #26 wax 2X a year. I squirt LP3 in the holes in the bottom of the doors and body 1X a year, because their DumDum will crack and hold water on the seams on a carefully formulated schedule. Horror upon horrors I use Armorall on the dash and put some on the serpentine belt once a year. Here’s a real shocker: all transmission fluid will last the life of the transmission. Change that shit out.

[@darren5294]

After watching this I’m increasing the engine oil change intervals on my push bike. Tyres will only be inflated once a year to stop global warming too. Gotta do my bit to save the bloody planet.

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

I spent $52k on a new car at the 1000KM check it cost $50 to have the oil changed cheap for peace of mind

[@ianbishop3091]

Lovin' the Ming Mole cut-overs John. I wish the garage I used for servicing my car had a few in their workshop. PS...the last one adjusting her bra in slow motion gave me a knee trembler.

[@farnthboy]

The one lying under the front end could tighten my ball joints anytime.

[@tonykb2193]

You can do intermediate servicing, most service books have provisions for it. Toyota and Volkswagen for instance do. The books also says you should do more frequent servicing if driving in severe conditions which is pretty much do you drive every day, then that's considered severe. Further again as another example, Volkswagen servicing books say you should do more frequent servicing if the fuel in your country has a high sulfur content, that means Australian cars should be doing the intermediate servicing along with the regular intervals just because of the pump fuel we use.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

John made a good point about the filters. Old filters used to go into bypass mode quite often so the metal would be released into the bearings so 1500 at first service was required. The only real answer to this question is to have a sample of oil sent off for analysis. But really who is going to do that...

[@theairstig9164]

Any piston engine aeroplane owner would do it

[@jasonharrison9192]

Hey John, Just wanted to let you know I just went to VW to test drive a VW Polo. Guess what? "sorry we don't have any to test drive you have to go to Melbourne". ( I live in the country) I then went across the road to test drive the Renault Megane GT. Guess what? "Sorry we don't have any of those and they may be stop making them shortly anyway". Well I can't buy a car without buying one first. Very disappointing service from both of these dealerships. I then went to Kia and test drove the Cerato GT and Hyundai for the i30 N line. Excellent service from both of these so one of them will get my business. I was very impressed by the Cerato and how much bang for your buck you get :)

[@cliftonmanley3882]

colour matching the bikini to the ice cream. Such an eye for detail. This points to a mind of exceptional capability. Prof Ming Moll. I like it.

[@averyalexander2303]

Something interesting is that the owners manual for my car specifically says to NOT do the first oil change until it is due. The only reasons I can think of is if they use a special type of oil from the factory or a special break in additive they want to remain in the engine until the break in is complete or maybe they don't want synthetic oil in the engine during break in.

[@daleanderson7629]

Hey cobber thanks for the videos, i have a mixed message was hoping you could clear up. The "'trust the engineers", here, seems slightly at odds with the "sealed for life transmission" video. If the manufacturers target is aproxx 150k transmission life would it not follow that the engine is engineered to similar / no more than double those targets and your 'oil is cheaper than rebuilds' stance, holds true. Does not seem unreasonable to assume a person considering supplementary servicing surely fits in the long term +300k,km owner category.

[@pijnto]

Engines are run in as they come off the production line or they used to be, my eyes were really opened when I saw how Holden engines were run in at Elizabeth

[@aussiebloke609]

Regarding the first service...always make sure to read the Owner's Manual carefully and completely. My current car ('16 Hyundai Veloster Turbo) lists 5000 miles/8000km between oil changes. But reading up on the details indicates that the _first_ change is to be after the run-in period of 1000 miles/1600km. So presumably it depends on the manufacturer to some extent, unless oil technology has changed dramatically in the past four years.

[@MrWilliam.Stewart]

It's perfectly safe. It safe to say the manufacturers can sell more replacement vehicles long term if they simply stretch out the vital first oil change interval. It's rarely going to manifest itself to the first owner/first 5 or 6 years hey. It's not like any manufacturers have become market leaders by selling durable products, have they?

[@markpaterson6024]

Dammit John! Now I have coffee all over my monitor and in my keyboard when you mentioned something about slippery oils and to verify that by asking a Ming Mole! =8^D

[@morgandrives]

As much as I love John - and I do love him and his content - I would go half way even if the only real impact is on your ability to relax. Changing the oil every 6 months or 8000 km will cost you an extra few bucks once a year and will ensure the engine gets what it needs. So why not?

[@MothershipVideos]

Very interesting John - just the info I was looking for. So right on cue.

[@Spartan9567]

Had an arguement with my Subaru dealership mechanic about this. The twunt was arguing that the 15,000 km service interval was appropriate for a STi. The mechanic was arguing that a shorter service interval (of my choice) will cause harm to the engine that wouldn't be covered under warranty. Lets just say it was the first and last time I used the dealership. I have no idea why manufacturers are advertising absolutely ludicrously long service intervals.

[@Elf1492]

Agreed on the service intervals, just follow what's stated in the manual. I belong to the cult that does a first oil change before 1500km. Lucky enough for me, I have the consumer law on my side, which allows me to have the liberty to look for a 3rd party qualified technician to do a first oil change, with the original parts sourced by myself, without voiding any dealership warranty. The sourced parts and labor cost me just under $70, in exchange for peace of mind. Know your rights and just do whatever that makes you feel better.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

It occurred to me after I read some comments that the original filter used by manufacturers is a special "Depth" filter only used for the first 15,000km that doing a standard oil filter change at 1500km may actually be detrimental unless you can source the same original filter used by the manufacturers.

[@stansbornak8116]

This channel gets more lurid every day!

[@M3au]

Do you think he'll be moving to PornHub soon?

[@JimmInOz]

I am surprised KZbin hasn’t demonetised this channel yet, hope it stays monetised.

[@JimmInOz]

Sal Vastola nah I am hoping they don’t, but they seem to do it everywhere for the smallest of things, they are sooks

[@JimmInOz]

Sal Vastola Ye love this channel👍🏻

[@opener2869]

I have a hyundai i30 1.4 tgdi fastback 2020 model with 23.000km on it so far. I do daily short trips (10km distance trip). Is it better to change oil every 7.500km instead 15.000km? Second question: I live in Greece, Athens. The book says 0w30 and 5w30 oil, it gives 2 options. Should i choose 0w30 in every change, is it better? Thank you for your time and your help, God bless you John!

[@brianmaloney5430]

Early first oil change show high wear metals during break in fact. Most oil filters only filter down to 20 or 30 micron.

[@atlennysworld]

I wonder if you should calculate the time interval for your first service from date of manufacture rather than the date you pick up your shiny new car. Presumably the oil has been in it since the car was assembled?

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Just go with what the dealer says, they're the ones covering the warranty.

[@jeffruebens8355]

See the Project Farm KZbin videos for maintenance tips, including about oil. The Carsthatlast series on KZbin is good for older vehicles. For the last 8 years, I go to a library every April to look at their annual car guide.

[@ScatManAust]

Most modern engines typically need only rings and bore run in nowadays. And rings can be considered run in within an hour or so if loaded properly. Half to just about full load without too many revs with power on and off cycles will usually do the job within an hour or two. Anything else in the engine is usually that well manufactured and machined that it doesn't require any special conditions set. As a matter of fact you can adversely condition the engine if its operated too softly in its early hours. And most high performance engines have typically already been run in either in testing in quality assurance testing after the assembly line OR by the dealers predelivery guy that has had a little fun with it before the new owner even sets foot in it.

[@bencahill3547]

"Hit me up on the website for that, and then the manoply guy face, haha

[@bradz9413]

Ben Cahill 😂

[@keptinkaos6384]

As a courier, my last Hyundai I30 2010 was thrashed within an inch 380k kilometres of its life till skippy wiped it out the only parts that were replaced was an alternator and the ignition coils I did most of my own servicing which was every six weeks plugs six months that was the best vehicle I had over the 26years 1.6 mill kilometres of being a courier.so anyone who thinks a Hyundai is not up to the job think again.

[@gsd4me00]

Run them hot, and run them hard, engines love that sort of thing

[@lesliedsouza4077]

It could be relevant to say, How much cooldown/ warmup cycles? Any oil consumption? If there was shift working drivers & the engine's always hot, it's good for engine life. But still good life, for transmission, suspension, steering, cat, water pump & aircon? You would've replaced alt belt, brake pads, rotors & struts, light globes?

[@keptinkaos6384]

@@lesliedsouza4077 you asked i worked 12 hr days averaged about 250 kilometres a day the drive belt was only like the alternator replaced once yeah that surprised my mechanic 2 the brake rotors were never replaced they were good till the end but like i said brake pads on the front about every six months it did eat clutch plates but i've had worse hiace van went through them just as fast bulbs went so bad as long as you always replace both sides at the same time suspension nothing there shocks etc were checked never an issue the aircon was only a matter of the filter needed a clean. water pump cooling system never had to touch it outside of check the level always topped up with demineralized water that was destroyed by skippy along with the AC. Oil consumption was about a half a litre a week most of its life depending on distance driven. it burned through a set of tyres a year one thing it was very good a was fuel consumption the sticker said 7.5 per 100 that's just about what I got .

[@lesliedsouza4077]

@@keptinkaos6384 Thankyou for clarifications. It was a interesting case.Sad about skippy. Roo bar may have helped? Insurance payout? Yep, I have heard good reports about Hyundai, from others.

[@keptinkaos6384]

@@lesliedsouza4077 insurance at 380 ks they wrote it off and paid me 5 k then took 1200 to finish the insurance year off health etc went down the gurgler so did my finances haven't worked since.but i'm alive almost wasn't.

[@brucerae5522]

#MALS Australia the only country where a bloke will take a pineapple and expect someone else to give him the reach around keep up the good work an Ming moles Jon.

[@ultrawidegaming5029]

Could you take some time to consider a video comparison of ev vs ice when pertaining to the service intervals and the benefits to the planet through a reduced volume requirement. I suspect that disposal has to be considered.

[@lesliedsouza4077]

Interesting show, John. Key points already picked up in the comments.The questioner did not make comparative mention of km on the odo's of the 2 vehicles? Re: Service interval - Go by the book? One comment already, about lab oil analysis check. Less expensive, would be to check the tissue used to wipe the dipstick? Old timers said, At least change the oil filter? Decades ago, word was, that Porsche engines were manufactured to be redlined, new. Also, crate purchased, US race engines, dyno run in? Back in the day, when engines were rebuilt :) They well boiled new pistons in water. A wooden handle, with a hole for the piston pin, was used to insert the hot piston, into oiled up, new bored & honed cylinder. Elbow grease did much of the run in. Pistons were numbered, per bore. I try to remember - This done, without the piston rings? Some run in was still needed, to bed in new piston rings & bearing shells. Graphite added to mineral oil? First oil/ filter change at 1000 (Statute/ Seppo) Miles. Remember those? (1600km?) :)

[@phillipevans9414]

This all assumes that the manufacturers/engineers "acceptable durability" meets the customers idea of "acceptable durability" - planned obsolescence is a thing! But I get your point John, if the owner is that worried about it, he can always change the oil earlier.

[@CieplinskiPawel]

Dear John! I have good friend from Perth who's been living here in EuroVille for a while. He had a b'day last month and I wanted to buy him MALS hat. Why don't you offer them on your site?!? Can I buy those anywhere? I had to buy him last Nobel Price in Literature winner Olga Tokarczuk's book instead, and that's all on you Mate! Best wishes from Poland.

[@lostcowboy5]

Keep the babes coming! I think I am going to move down under. About oil changes, do it when you want, but try not to go over the recommendations.

[@Nickodarius]

Yes trust the manufacturer like BMW who once advised 15K miles then realized that was to long and changed it to 10k. The longer the interval the more money they make on maintenance plans. They don't care if your engine isn't in great shape after the warranty.

[@John..18]

Hi, John,, fyi,, here in England, the most popular car on the road, is the Ford Fiesta, the time between service intervals is 2 years, !! (normal mileage),. So, it's running on the oil, put in at the factory,, 2 years later,, !! Surely this is not a good thing, ? (engine/turbo longevity perspective),,,,, .

[@M3au]

I'll be looking for this comment in future episodes.

[@John..18]

@@snarkywombat155 Punctuation is because I'm old, and learnt it at school,, 🤣🤣

[@kennyroberts5469]

look at the date manufactured. Your heavily discounted Triton was probably made some time ago.

[@Grant80]

I do have a question though John. With this in mind about the 15K Service where do I stay in then if I have A car service other than the car dealer is my worry none in void or is it just dealer BS. And on the question of warranty my wife has to have vehicle modifications done to her car list also affect our warranty

[@les318]

John have you seen the size of the oil filters these days on newer cars, they are small widgy little things, how can they filter effectively for 15K or 12 months?

[@highlypolishedturd7947]

My thoughts on oil changes, first or otherwise: If you change it more often than necessary, what's the down side? You've spent a bit more money than necessary. That's pretty minor for down sides. The up side is your peace of mind.

[@Craqthump]

thanks for the informative content as always John, but now, more importantly, where does he find those wonderful got girl clips though.....?

[@rodm2008]

I have concerns about modern cars and oil filters. These filters are getting smaller which means more oil is directed thru the filter bypass, allowing more untreated oil returning into circulation.

[@petercraig4648]

Jesus David Rose. You must of been lazy finding your bargain. Bought Demo GLS plus (Auto standard, leather heated seats ,tub liner and other features ) with extra bonnet protector, weather sheilds and floor mats. Only 2200km on the clock. For only $43500. As advertised on carsales.com. wasn't going to beat them down further on the price. Knew that I was given a great price. So just lapped it up straight away. Loving your work John. Can you do a 30 minute review just on your Ming Moles please?

[@MiniLuv-1984]

John, "Give these highly trained dudes, at least vestigial respect..." that's great advice for Morrison too.. Advice that he clearly hasn't heard or absorbed yet at his church or wherever he gets his leadership training.

[@pablorages1241]

There's been some specials here on the Triton ... but they are 2019 models ...and the last 2 cars i purchased both did the 1500 kms oil change thing

[@aaronludlow782]

They would have done a ‘post delivery’ inspection, not a service. It is a check of the fluids etc only, 1500km ‘services’ haven’t been done in ‘Straya for over 10 years mate

[@aaronludlow782]

And the 1500km ‘service’ is not mandatory.

[@shaunsmith8494]

2 years or 40k on my work 2016 Renault Trafic, Renault soon changed that when turbo's were failing.

[@AK-ny5bz]

Do you get these Mingmole videos shot for your channel specifically? Or you get it from 3rd party source?

[@mrslcom]

New engines maybe be filled with special break-in oil from the factory to last until the first recommended change interval. I would leave it in there and follow the factory’s recommendation. At the halfway mark I would change the oil filter only to remove the most harmful particles in the oil system.

[@snells-window]

John, you are asking us to believe in the advanced technologies from the car-makers in this video and not change the oil, but a few videos back with the sealed for life CVTs you were saying to ignore them and change the oil!

[@onetwo3706]

Engines and gearboxes are different things, particularly in this case

[@DashCamSerbia]

I have a question. Is it OK to use fully synthetic 5W40 or 5W30 instead of semi synthetic 10W40 oil in Renault K7J engine? I want to use API-SN rated fully synthetic oil, but there is no fully synthetic oil in 10W40 grade, only semi synthetic (which I bought and used last time). The manual says that 10W40 is to be used for temperatures higher that -15 oC and -20oC, while 5W40 and 5W30 is to be used for temperatures higher than -25 oC. Here in Southern Europe, we don't get temperatures lower than about -15 oC in the city, which is why I think that 10W40 is suitable, and 5W40 or 5W30 is not. But one is semi synthetic andthe other is fully synthetic. What should I do?

[@DashCamSerbia]

@@GS-kh5se Thank you!

[@graemeaddie471]

I too got a better deal at a dealer on my Ford Everest. Not John's fault there just a 2016 build in 2017. And yes got the dealer to change the oil on 1500km mark. ( gave me a $80 fuzzy warm feeling inside, without a Ming Mole in site)

[@nevermind594]

You show the person at 2:03 with a pineapple when you earlier expressed preference for melons. This is confusing as you are discussing lubricant issues for young cars, while pineapple shaped melons tend to come with much older models. Please explain.

[@healingheartsulladulla563]

Hey Cobber Is capped price servicing worth the money

[@mickbrenton]

Goddamn those Ming Molls are fucking hot!!!

[@50pence59]

It didn’t happen overnight, but I woke up one morning and noticed I had a pair of double Ds...I don’t like ‘em.😕

[@wafive]

would be interested in your take on how Mitsubishi is handling the NL Pajero buyback (very well) versus how Audi is treating those poor silly buggers who own their shitboxes (reportedly, very poorly) and would be interested in how BMW is going as well, I know they are doing well with loan cars and such, but how are they going with buyout figures. ?

[@ashleyhoff7561]

I'm a bit concerned about the PPE you have assigned to your Ming Molls. I feel concerned that the welding MM might suffer from nasty burns.

[@maxvanderlinden6908]

john my work van is going back to the garage for its first oil change but what is ot is that the vw softwere keeps updating on realy od times also do i need to have a internet security on the van because the bos has a mobille wifi set up in it from the dealer but is vw doeing this whit the maintenens or is this a customer thing and is my bos responseble for this because when i took the van new from the dealer they said they would contact vw and then get back to us but that was 4 monts ago and we havent gotten an answer also the suspencion broke so i am geting a heavy duty instalt

[@depharmacist]

why are short suburban trips and cold starts worse for engine oil ? shouldn't it be better as the car only has the engine oil flowing back and forth minimally?

[@hegantetamboktyanak6368]

For someone's peace of mind it's not very expensive to just do just the oil no filter no anything else at half the service interval

[@slutica]

Yep. My Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1.75L turbo says 17500km service interval. No fkn way. I am a chemical engineer (but synthetic oil chem is not my forte) but still don’t trust oil getting smoking hot running through the turbo being too quality for 17500km. You have to take the front Tyre off to change to oil filter, so it’s just drop the oil at 8750km for me. I want to give this car to my daughter (now 9) so not going to Scrooge mcduck on $60 of oil.

[@wilson2455]

MingMolls at the beginning of the video - YES !!

[@vincebagusauskas278]

Where is that garage John I can get serviced at?

[@johnwade1095]

I blame plateau honing for removing the need for that 1500km first oil change.

[@GuitarsRockForever]

Interesting, my pajero sport which is really just suv version of Triton, and the first service was done (as required) at 1500km.

[@Z4Zander]

But do they change the oil as part of the 1.5k.

[@v8snail]

1500km services usually don't include an oil and filter change, it's a very basic check. After reviewing the dash cam footage when our last new Kia had its 1500km "service" the guy just changed the service sticker, topped up the washer bottle AND the coolant expansion bottle with tap water, all while disrespecting my wife for her choice of music. He didn't pull the dip stick or lift the car off the ground. I spoke to the principal about this and he just retorted "that's why businesses don't like having cameras running in the workshop". I haven't been back to them since and never will.

[@Z4Zander]

@@v8snail I just wondered if Mitsi did.I do probably half a dozen 1500k services a week for a different brand and none for another brand that don't even do 1500k services.p.s.We turn off cameras."They interfere with module ,sat-nav and other upgrades."

[@johnpoot725]

@@Z4Zander Priceless:-)

[@GuitarsRockForever]

@@Z4Zander My guess is most likely NO. Now I think about it, they said more of 1500km check rather than service.

[@darylcheshire]

you should adopt a pineapple as a mascot, or logo. The top half perhaps.

[@jackwood8307]

John what is your take on the impact of the corona virus on the auto industry?

[@gozfromoz119]

Hi John. I have to disagree strongly with your discount scenario. You mates a KIA have been advertising base model Ceratos at $19,990 drive away since MY18s came in (now $20,290). They have always shown a RRP of around 24K with a "Discounted" price. I can't remember seeing them ever at full RRP. KIA marketing can help with a fact check if you need. Bottom line, Your already discounted price IS your RRP. It seems KIA only ever expected to sell them at the lower price so I would assume that any costs and margins are based of this.

[@ianwilliams487]

G'day John,yepi agree with all the oil service shit you thrown down,,having been in HEAVY Industry for some time..and all we do is filter oil,,that has been cycling around steel mills for 40 years with out a change,,can relate,to filtration and heat,all very important,and the reason we change oil in cars,,not for the Metal components,,but the oil is usually stuffed with fuel by-pass and moisture,changing a filter is next to nothing considering replacement cost, the other thing a lot of body's don't know is all oil pumps have by pass valves for when the filter is full,,this then lets unfiltered oil to lubricate your engine,you may have super oil pressure,,but oil pump has to over ride by pass valve,So keep an eye on oil pressure if it start to get better,,i'd be changing filters asap. but not happy with a lot of the oils available,,all this 5/w 50 shit,,no need for oils that thin here in auz,,unless you live in a blizzard,,The other thing that fucks modern day oils is the additives,,I reckon some of the filters are taking additive out as oil as it gets older,I know some oils have long chain polymers in them that actually cover contaminants and makes them big enough for filter to catch, SO Change your oil,,sooner better than later,,Diesel oils have high detergent rates,generally why it so black on change,Don't recommend using diesel oil in any petrol engine,,usually washes away carbon seal ring when piston is tdc,and then the shit starts,, what a lot of filter manufacture don't tell you is filter size,, whether a beta rating or absolute micron size,,this would be nice to know,,

[@Alexagrigorieff]

Science of friction, lubrication and wear is caller tribology

[@AdamSmith-nl5be]

Thanks for all the information John! And I have a question. My wife fell in love with the new Mazda CX-30 and we are considering buying the G20 Touring. However, I read that in six months Mazda will start bringing the new Skyactiv X engine to Australia. Is it too big a risk to buy the release version and in six months I have an outdated model? Will this new engine be such a big differential that it will devalue the current models? Thank you very much!

[@mrslcom]

Adam Smith. The SkyActiv X looks promising but it’s not always a good idea to get the newest technology as it is unproven and not time tested. Once introduced, you can bet that they will make gradual corrections and improvements over time. Older engines maybe less efficient but they tend to be more reliable.

[@AdamSmith-nl5be]

Thanks guys.I’m aware of both good points you guys are saying. My question is more related to how the market will react, generally speaking.

[@sharpie6953]

So what's it do for your viewing stats when I watch the whole vid and then replay the 30 seconds starting from 1:46, over and over and over...?

[@Z4Zander]

More to the point,what does it do for your status.

[@sammy61187]

Toyota has first oil filter change at 10,000 on 2020 Camry Hybrid

[@karlp8484]

When AMG get an engine from Mercedes-Benz and they bolt on their bits and pieces, they test the brand new engine by basically running it flat out for 30 minutes. So much for the running-in period.

[@michaelweaver2627]

What can it hurt to do the service early? On the reasonable assumption that manufacturers have an incentive to allow a certain amountt of engine wear that will require you to purchase a new vehicle eventually, it seems a cheap bet to change oil a bit more frequently. Compared to a premature engine failure it is a fairly small cost and not much worth debating.

[@Pretzil43]

Okay, sure, oil tech is better and it's not necessary to run in... but when you pick up a 'brand new' car that has a 2018 build date and has traveled half way around the world and been sitting around numerous shipyards for 2 years since the oil was added, is it still in optimal condition? Engineers are great, but their job is to design a service regime that guarantees the car will last the life of the warranty, after that, what's their incentive?

[@richardpurdie6798]

I have a honda NC700, I change oil (mobil1) and filter every 35000 to 40000 km, a t 120000k, no problems so far.

[@HypocriticYT]

WHAT is the company manufacturing cost to produce say a $40K vehicle? What is the %age markup on vehicles? Many smaller items retail 10-20x the manufacturing cost. I think investors would ony invest if the markup was hovering over 15x

[@antone.henderson]

Thanks for the enlightenment (& more of the MM and not the chocolate varietie) Regards Tony )

[@tectorama]

Long service intervals are attractive to fleet buyers. It's nothing to do with engines being better than they used to be. Although they probably are.

[@adamclarke7394]

All I can say is that in my next life I want to be an Icy Pole.

[@WhyWouldYouDrawThat]

Another thing to consider with turbos is letting the engine cool if it has been running hard. let it idle for 1-5 minutes, depending on conditions. otherwise your turbo could be red hot and cooking and damaging some of your oil. over a year/15,000 this adds up. i service my isuzu mux every 7500. it only does medium and long trips, but i show it some love ;) btw john. we don’t all enjoy looking at woman. can we keep this to just cars?

[@disabledsubmarinevet6717]

the car dealer losses money but make it back for maintains. i got a 2018 mazda cx-9 gt for 41k and it cost 100.00 to get a oil change.