The Truth About Metabolism, Animal Protein, and Insulin | Dr. Ben Bikman

[@Terri_2.0]

I will drop anything I´m doing when I find out Dr. Ben Bikman is being interviewed--thanks to you both!

[@iss8504]

Me too!

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Autoplay came through for me with this one.

[@joeyjojo9135]

I thought I was the only one!

[@otto.nomiik]

Indeed. He’s a greatly trusted source.

[@marykavanagh9792]

Me too!!!

[@CarnivoreAnesthetist]

Dr. Ben don’t ever apologize or say you’re being silly for being a believer. I’m a clinician scientist and I also believe. That is not silly at all. Just the way we view the world. Dr. Ben is a freaking stud too! Great interview

[@user-cm9ef4fw7m]

hahahahahahaha

[@ericloderichs1480]

I love this guy. Followed nearly al his videos. But as a non theist it stays a very remarkable and interesting combination that scientists question everything, require a high burdon of proof etc.. exept their own religion.

[@sheralynmadsen9975]

@@ericloderichs1480 not so we have a great deal of evidence

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

I believe there's definitely a level beyond the one we're currently in but as for the religious dogma associated with it I am not a fan having grown up with it.

[@Joy80JJ]

I love Ben Bikman. He is so passionate of his studies & a humble man. Great interview.

[@rolitiwari0909]

Same thoughts

[@otto.nomiik]

This man right here wrote the book that started me on the journey of saving my own life

[@BigPictureYT]

Ben, thanks for setting the record straight on mTOR and the need for animal protein. Those advocating eating less protein, such as Sinclair, Gardner, Diamandis, and Barnard, do not look nearly as healthy as you and those who advocate eating animal protein, such as Attia, Naiman, Baker, and Saladino. Have you read Don't Eat For Winter by Cian Foley? He discusses how in the autumn our ancestors ate fruits and nuts to put on belly fat to see them through the winter. Just like milk, nuts contain protein, carbohydrates, and fats. When combined with the insulin spiking sugars in the fruits, 'nature' provided an effective way for our ancestors to make it through another winter, even if the hunting was poor that year.

[@campnoppikoski1]

I am laughing and at times crying about how good this is! Ben Bikman, a master of explaining complex processes in a humorous and interesting way! Hoooray! :)

[@philu3]

Thank you so much for this interview Ben. It's so good to hear from people who REALLY know what they're talking about.

[@ISTsports]

Doc Bink know his stuff. I could listen to this man all day..his knowledge is off the chart. We never stop learning!!!

[@LeoTaxilFrance]

And on whose backs do you live, if you do not work the whole days?

[@tammyb8742]

This was an excellent interview 👏 I'm not religious but if BB were a pastor I might convert

[@GregariousAntithesis]

Take dogs for example, we feed them high heat processed, high glycemic, 70% plant based commercial processed garbage called dog food that is comparable to human processed fast food. Dogs are getting the same diseases as humans. Diabetes, tooth decay, cancers. Yet the dogs wild cousin the wolf, coyote, fox eating a species specific carnivore diet aren't getting these diseases. There is a correlation we should be paying attention to.

[@melissal3383]

If people replace some kibble with raw hamburger or eggs then the food exponentially is improved. If a person can afford to give even half meat & half kibble, it’s a win win. Dog still gets correct minerals & calcium but gets improved life benefits with “real” food.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@melissal3383 my fox terrier gets raw pork neck or chicken leg as one meal and a chicken paw snack and it has kept his teeth perfect with zero brushing for is 4 years of life. His other meal is a ground mix of meats, organs, fish, eggs and modest vegs abd berries. I agree if you have a larger dog you can do better one meal commercial and then giving some kind of meat like a chicken leg quarter with bones and skiin intact and or pork neck bone the bones are important for oral health and if they are not cooked they are safe. Commercial food really is high glycemic garbage no matter how much you pay because its all cooked under extreme heat and rendering it like fast food for pets. Hence why it is shelf stable forever. I hate the garbage personally but if you had a number of dogs it could get expensive. My terrier at 22 lbs eats around 8 oz or raw food daily. I took care if a chesapeake that would eat a whole chicken leg quarter and some dry for dinner. It is all i use to feed my pets was the dry crap and they all lived to around 13. I now eat Paleo myself.

[@melissal3383]

@@GregariousAntithesis I do many of the things you do. We have 4. It gets pricey but when one makes the decision to bring a dog home, they become family. So we feed them well. But, I’m human & get tired. I buy top line dog food (Victor or Origen) & toss a few raw eggs in on those nights. Our oldest dog is 12. At 6, eating mostly kibble, he looked old. So he’s been fed lots of raw since. It has REALLY helped him. He used to run around our wooded back lot but has really slowed down. Interestingly, I started to let him come upstairs to the 2nd floor during the day, & just going up & down the carpeted stairs a few times a day, helped him quite a bit. he seems a bit more peppy. He’s a Dutch Shepherd. Others are Malinois. I try not to judge but am shocked that some people don’t see the damage they do by believing the pet food lies. Thankfully, one vet is on board. But the other is skeptical… sigh

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@melissal3383 take you older dog for a walk. I take mine 3 days a week for walk, run interval in a local frizbee golf park around 3 miles 45 minutes. Exercise is as important as diet.

[@davidsalvador6031]

the two Bens I want to listen to. This was great thanks!!

[@hotpocket5501]

My problem is when I discuss something I am passionate about like Dr. Bikman is doing in this video, wether it be politics or diet, the stress and excitement from the passion increases by blood sugar!

[@jandhaene2352]

There are quite a few doctors or experts who advocate a LCHF diet, But Ben Bikman , with his research and analysis, vouches for this life-style. Always great to listen to him as well as his interviewer with great questions.

[@seifekidane9848]

i do not think that there is any one in the planet that understands insulin and metabolism like professor Bikman THANKS...

[@edgadalinski7493]

Insulin is the big elephant in the room. Dropping insulin levels equal Weight Loss. Add Carbs of any kind, weight loss STOPS! DR. BEN'S WORDS OF WISDOM!

[@epicsdrummer2010]

After having unanswered questions and suspicions for decades thanks to Bikman I finally have answers and solutions to my metabolic issues.

[@sustock5233]

Dr. B , talks with passion .he is such a good educator. always listen few times to remember every word

[@johnnyoost1144]

The first time I heard Dr. Ben was the video "the battle for brown fat". This man can make anything interesting!

[@markhicks5569]

Literally the best video on this topic available that I have seen. Thank you guys!

[@courtneyheron1561]

Great conversation. Thanks for having Bickman on. Love the information he shares! A great man!

[@Appleblade]

Great explanation from Dr. Bikman on why hitting yourself with carbs every 3 hours is counter productive (56:10)

[@themidstream]

This Man delivers value straight from the start. Thanks to the Dr and Interviewer.

[@paulasamec8715]

Dr. Bikman is one of the most ethical and truthful scientists! Thanks a lot!

[@tonymalczon2060]

Wow, this was incredible. I will have to listen to this again Thanks Ben

[@murdermittensnyc]

Incredible conversation. THANK YOU for hosting and also just getting out of the way when BB got wound up. He’s an incredible guest. Not a word wasted. ❤❤

[@rodolfofernandez9174]

What an awesome interview!!!! Great questions and without interrupting. And, of course, Great answers!!!

[@suatlianma4848]

Dr Ben u r the warrior David that takes down giants... goliath in your talks ,research n work!! I CHEER U ON GOOD DOCTOR!! Thanks a million...Fully grateful for your voice in this confusing era!

[@1needluck1]

Just incredible! So much knowledge,great job guys!

[@deekana]

Shout out to Pastor Ben! He changed my life and my health recovery journey completely!

[@V4D2]

cool. 2 of my favourite authorities in health & fitness. I’m pretty sure this is going to be a great episode. Thank you !

[@lucvandermeeren]

Loved this interview. Both Bens hit it out of the park with excellent questions, detailed scientific explanations, and personal philosophical viewpoints. Well done.

[@annabarclay4673]

great interview! Ben Bikman is such a smart, passionate, genuine dude - I honestly learnt so much and will definitely buy his book

[@KenanTurkiye]

Wonderfull discussion gentelmen, thank you. More good success to both of you. 👍

[@dorothyl9604]

I enjoy all your talks and knowledge you share. Meal replacement shake is not available in Canada. Thank you Dr. Bikman

[@stephenn3727]

I love Dr Ben! Why We Get Sick is a terrific book! Thank you

[@epicsdrummer2010]

One of the best, if not THE Best books I have ever read.

[@1Waarheid]

'What really makes you ill?' also.

[@joycemarine8717]

Thank you! Great interview!! Knowledge is power!! Keep spreading the facts!!

[@jimfife6255]

Right: mTOR activation (and eating protein) is not a thing to be eliminated in hopes of living longer. Rather, it is a thing to be occasionally suppressed, by fasting, and other means (rapamycin?) as a repair protocol, providing that you do not, in the long run, lose muscle mass. Cycle mTOR: mostly on, sometimes off, in context of a low insulin AUC (area under curve) lifestyle.

[@traceyguthrie369]

Great job! Very helpful and informative. Thank you!

[@EthanE3]

Dr. Bikman is either the most intelligent person i have listened too or the worlds best charlatan. His knowledge, coupled with his ability to explain it in common terms, has allowed me to absorb so much info

[@raffaelecorrente1123]

From what i see, all the people trying to reduce mtor (you can see a lot of them on youtube) look very UNHEALTHY. For 2 years i wrote that mtor is critical for brain function and muscle muscle and both brain function and muscle mass is key for lingevity so it doesnt make sense to reduce mtor cronically...but people are blind on david sinclair.

[@marynguyen6417]

Dr. Birkman is brilliant, thanks!

[@DF-ee8vt]

Dr. Bikman's research and explanations make sense of so many things in our past.

[@jaykana7677]

Prof Ben Bikman's knowledge is priceless 👌🏼

[@lvncsr6166]

Excellent podcast. Dr, Bikman is amazing and he is a believer so that makes him very special to me.

[@anjoliaisenbrey6456]

I’d love to sit in on a lecture by Dr. Bikman and then get his autograph after 🤣 he’s a celebrity to me!

[@luannrandall8085]

Thank u Dr Bikman. Bless u brother for wisdom, including the body/mind/spirit of true and complete health

[@courtneyheron1561]

Don’t know if you have interviewed Dr Zach Bush about death. He has a great understanding of death as a doctor engaged intimately with patient deaths. Worth interviewing if you haven’t already. He‘s plant based but that‘s no problem. Dr. Bush is a good human with incredible intelligence around health and environment.

[@gamerchristina1079]

Thank You! This was awesome!

[@lauraezeanishealthyliving9644]

Oh my daysss... how did I not find you earlier on in my jurney ... top top top

[@mattiassanderling8266]

Hey very good episode! Sorry if I did miss anything but I do have a question...does artificiell sweetners like aspartam triggers insulin release My Mother have diabetes type 1 and sometimes she intake aspartam and she tells me she doesnt have to intake insuline so it shouldnt trigger insulin either for healthy person?, sorry my bad english...thx for any help!:)

[@wocket42]

3:38 interview starts

[@raewise6345]

You are who you are, never apologize for that....I learn something new every time!😍 #civilianscientist

[@maggieziegler8333]

I love how the noise is shot down!!!… refreshing!’❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@rossstevens6165]

What about studying truck drivers or other professions for Diesel exhaust exposure?

[@jaykana7677]

One question, Keto / low carb 3yrs ,recently got a cgm ,the readings high 6.5 to 7.5 (U.K), Will this cause insulin to go up? ,even when fasting the readings are high ,l have a very active job 15000 to 20000 steps a day ...Dr Bikman explains everything clearly here 👍🏻

[@meatdog]

Thanks so much fir this sincere and honest talk. I'm a carnivore and used to be a vegetarian to my serious detriment. My health has improved exponentially from stopping ALL carbs. I'm living proof and my experiment of N=1 that you speak the truth and fat filled carnivore is the proper human diet.

[@AlphaPrimalLife]

Thank you very much. Great interview loaded with information.

[@brianbadonde8700]

Human beings have never been vegan, animal protein has always been a very important part of the human diet, chimps eat meat once a month on average, I'm sure they'd eat it more if they could

[@9um9um9um]

humans have always eaten what they can - now we have choices. not all primates eat meat - the biggest (silver back gorillas) eat just plants. dont fool yourself - animals eat what they can find.

[@brianbadonde8700]

@@9um9um9um true and over millions of yrs it changes them, homosapiens have always eaten meat, eating cooked food including meat is what made us human, it shrank our teeth, jaw and stomach and provided lots of protein and fat which in combination with tool use made our brains grow, it became a positive cycle, meat fueled brain growth then better tools resulted, and better tools resulted in more food like bone marrow

[@9um9um9um]

@@brianbadonde8700 - i feel like your imagining some meet-rich past that doesnt exist - lets not kid ourselves about our ancestors. they died of famine and starvation, were malnutrioned, and had a life expectancy much younger than today. there was no mass meat outlet or access to steady meet until recenlty, Lets be honest, the meet our ancestors ate was far and few - when our ancestors did have meet you would hunt all day and then you must eat it before it rotted. the meet was wild caught and lean - with greater nutritional elements- not like the sickly bloated farm animals injected with B12 and harmones. what really got us to evolve our bodies. id agrue it was the agricultural revolution that fueled civilization. Plants and grains sustained our ancestor's short lives. even though i write this all and im vegan - im very open minded to meet as a concept - i just dont want to be delusional about our past.

[@brianbadonde8700]

@@9um9um9um we spent 99.9 percent of our time on this planet as hunter gatherers its only in the last 12,000 yrs to the best of current knowledge that people began farming and consuming grains in large quantities which have to be cooked by the way, you see we are back to cooked food again, chimps spend 6 hours a day chewing food, hunter gatherers eat meat the clue is in the word, eating cooked food including meat is what made us human it shaped our bodies, there's evidence showing cooked food being consumed by our ancestors going back for at least 1 million yrs possibly as far back as 2 million yrs, and they weren't homosapiens they were homoerectus so even our pre human ancestors were eating cooked food, I suggest you research anthropology this all very basic stuff

[@9um9um9um]

@@brianbadonde8700 poorly explained and off point. we can agree that primitive man (like any animal) found food where they could. when primitive man could not find food it died off. we agree that the meat our ancestors ate was not like the meat we eat now. we can agree that starvation was our biggest threat - we can agree that americans are dying of an abundance of processed crappy food. we can agree that to eat like our ancestors we would have to live like them - we dont so we cant - we are forced (not withstanding the person who farms and hunts their own food) to eat like modern humans - with that said the best chances to avoid the metabolic disorders we now suffer from are to eat minimally processed whole foods. your inability to have a main point is an irritation at best.

[@Lonewolf_rider]

Great interview!thank you 👏🏼 👍🏻

[@kilibecher]

I totally agree with everything he said and appreciate the extra knowledge he has given me

[@bk3461]

This is a great interview by Ben Pakulski! A lot of interviews I listened to, I was annoyed by the interviewer’s boosted egos always in the way wanting to sound smart and want to hear themselves over what dr. Bickman is trying to say.. this was different

[@AbleHammer]

Love that Dr Bicman brought up Timothy ch 4! Very interesting!

[@amandalifestyle]

God bless you Dr Ben! Preach it!!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@Cowelly84]

Incredible!! Such an eye opening podcast

[@raphaeldiogo1583]

I'm not a doctor and don't claim to be. Isn't keto an adaptive process, since the body is already in a ketogenic state itll selects ketos over carbs by default not prefrence.

[@wocket42]

The body could always create more glucose via gluconeogenesis, but it chooses not to.

[@HecticMolments]

I've learned so much about insulin and IR (because I have it) listening to Ben. And it's really changed how I look at my body's nutrition, needs, and how I should be feeding myself. He's a gentle-spoken, humble, and truly intelligent man who seems to really want to spread his knowledge and help people be healthier and happier. He's good people! Thank you for having him on!!!

[@michellevanoverbeke4849]

Thank you. Great interview.

[@meatdog]

I postulate that diesel fumes exposure damages the DNA and shortens telomeres thus causing cellular damage, lifespan and interrupting their function. So it's possible that's one effect of cellular metabolism disruption and function.

[@rustybolts8953]

Dr. David Sinclair needs to watch this video. I am concerned about his health due to going in the direction of Veganism.

[@NoTrashInHeaven]

Excellent as always, thank you!

[@DF-ee8vt]

The strength of our stomach acid supports the argument that we are supposed to eat meat. We have more acid than rabbits and deer, for instance, but less than dogs.

[@timheineman625]

Always learn a lot from Prof Bikman'd talks but for the record, apostle Paul's 1st letter to Timothy, chapter 4 does not appear to mention or refer in anyway to meat. The nearest thing to what Prof B says (minute 51) is verse 3, "They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."

[@markgil9249]

So what should we eat pre and post hypertrophy workout.. just Protein and Fat? No Carbs?

[@emeldogu5583]

Beans and other legumes contains both protein and carbohydrates and they are considered good protein source. Should we eat legumes or not? How eating legumes affect insulin/ glucagon ratio?

[@Veronica-P]

I love listening to Dr Bikman! And loved reading his book, Why We Get Sick! I highly recommend it! His breakfast meal replacements shakes are both tasty and filling! I highly recommend those as well.

[@cammieklund]

I'm trying to reverse insulin resistance (plus a lot of other things) on a carnivore diet. Problem is that I'm running on stresshormones for months and months and months bcs I can't seem to fat adapt. (Zero carb carnivore now btw.) I'm about to crack from the constantly racing heart and sleep deprivation. I did it for 9 months last time before I had to give in. This time I'm about 3 months in (5 low carb) and I feel like I'm about to die bcs the body just keeps on running on stresshormones and I have chest pain every day plus intracranial pressure, tingling in hands and feet and so on. I have tweaked like crazy with electrolytes and supplements plus the food ofc. My body can't take this much longer but I don't want to go back to carbs, bcs I have insulin resistance, SIBO, fibromyalgia and so on. I have an oxalate toxicity issue and Sally K Norton says that the mitochondria are effected by that, so probably that's the reason why I can't seem to fat adapt. I'm probably going to dump oxalic acids for years...How the heck can I resolve this?😩

[@eugeniebreida]

Add tiny bit of honey after evening meal - lighten level of ketosis SO YOU CAN SLEEP!! Another words, talk to a qualified nutritionist how to bring in the least amount of carbs necessary to get your sleep.

[@conscious_choice]

Scientific research shows people with Me/cfs and fibromyalgia have problems with their bodies using glucose and fats for energy production. Instead they use amino acids. (often from their own muscles). So you can try to take BCAA amino acids and tyrosine and taurine to support your transition to a high fat-protein diet. Do use them apart from proteinrich meals. Hope that helps.

[@cammieklund]

@@conscious_choice Thanks! I used NAC, taurine and Acetyl L Carnitine. Plus electrolytes. AOR B complex, B1. Epsom salt baths. I think they helped somewhat but I crashed completely yesterday. Not exaggerating, it was extremely bad. I had no choice but to reintroduce some carbs. Now heart rate is normal, no chest pain and so on. It's quite remarkable how quickly it turns around. But...then I'm back with all the issues I tried to get rid of in the first place. Oh shoot.🤪 But believe me, it was the ER or some carbs. I was shaking, convulsing, intense chest pain and intracranial pressure, no sleep, tingling hands and feet, couldn't walk, litterally thought I was close to die. Yeah, it's very apparent that I have serious issues with my mitochondria and that I couldn't use fat as fuel. Or maybe I can, but the glucose needed can't be made by my body in sufficient amounts. Bcs it seems like I can use carbs (even if it's not the best fuel) bcs everything feels so much better now. From the symptoms I just described atleast...It's just interesting that I can't adapt even after such a long time. It just gets worse and worse. I think that Sally K Norton is right about that people with severe oxalate issues have so damaged metabolic pathways and mitochondria that they need a bit of carbs. I have come across others with the same problem in the low oxalate groups.

[@conscious_choice]

@@cammieklund yes, i think you're right. You might take some d-ribose which helps with the atp production in the mitochondria. You take it together with the carbs, it makes sure your body can directly use it for energy and lowers the glucose so you will not have an insulin problem while you still have the benefits of the glucose you still need. Btw dr Jason Fung said he has some patients who just can't come to ketosis no matter how long or strict they follow the diet . He gives them supplemental ketones. In your case I think you better use some carbs or your body will crash.

[@cammieklund]

@@eugeniebreida I actually am a certified nutritional therapist myself, but cannot seem to resolve this issue other than reintroducing carbs.

[@jimdavis9382]

Great video with lots of info. Thanks!

[@shahyar234]

when dr. Ben says fasting to bring down insulin, how long to fast and how many days per week.

[@lilyhab6069]

I'm trying to understand my 15 year old son's results. His Ac1 is 5.7-6.0 ( in two different labs in a prediabetic range). Fasting insulin is 5.2. fasting glucose is 86. I'm confused, why Ac1 is high but insulin is in healthy range?

[@awesometulips9427]

Excellent! Thanks

[@serban2139]

Are there studies to show that if calories are controlled, there's no difference in fat loss in a high carb diet vs low carb diet? I.e. High vs low insulin response? What about high carb diet vs keto diet both 2k calories, should one lose more fat on the keto diet?

[@KenanTurkiye]

Usually (underlined); if one needs to lose weight one is overweight, and usually (again underlined) someone who is overweight has hyperinsulinemia which means insulin resistance, and can not stick to lowering calorie intake due to their addiction to eating carbs and has difficulty in intermitten fasting (again a very beneficial means for that goal). So when comparing a two people one with high carbs diet and another with low carb diet on a journey of fat loss, we can draw an analogy of two people on a marathon run, one with a weighted vest on and one without, who would have it easier? Carbs is a set back to someone who is already (usually) fat because of it's affects on that persons hormones, as the weighted vest would be a set back on one of the runners as he/she needs speed/ease of run.

[@wocket42]

Students were asked If they would be invited to a great all you can eat meal, what would they do to have the most hunger at the time of the meal. Answers: restrict calorie intake the previous days. - so, it's much easier to restrict calories in a low carb high fat diet if you want to lose weight, because you will be in 100% fat burning mode and the body easily takes the body fat and is not hungry. Try that on high carb outside a metabolic ward. Also: higher chances of reducing base metabolic rate by accident of high carb calorie restriction. - EDIT: the mentions it at 28:10

[@AbleHammer]

Thank you for bringing up David Sinclair 👍🏻👌🏻

[@mauriglisson6954]

Sick and weak people are easier to control. And that is the main reason they do not want to see the meat.

[@emilee_7265]

Dr. Bikman for me it is soooo interesting, I am learning more and more everyday, from people like you :D Our Body to study it is sooo interesting for me, it is my hobby, thx :D

[@MrABtillidie]

I’d love to see the research on the red meat consumption rate decreases over the last 100 years. Everything that popped up when I searched was increased consumption.

[@desertboot9755]

Is that why in acute stress, people often lose quite a lot of weight and then after that initial period, gain. The cortisol reducing insulin.

[@djshortsleeve9132]

My blood sugar goes down when I workout. I am type 1 diabetic on long acting and use Regular insulin to cover meals.

[@chaz6399]

I hope you're aware of Dr. Richard Bernstein and his work on Type 1 diabetes. If not, look him up.

[@sawakun]

thank for sharing

[@ciaran6171]

The quote from St Paul can be found at 1 Timothy 4:3

[@ahmadfarrall2097]

Brilliant,just brilliant

[@robertwood9984]

I read the book 👍, Rhetorical question, why won't Dr's tell you to get off sugar, Or control carbs? The answer does not reflect well on them. Thanks Doc Bikman.

[@marijaprokic1560]

Thanks again 🙏😇💙

[@eriksmith4791]

Disappointed that he wasn’t questioned about ideal macro distributions especially protein. I imagine he recommends way above RDA. Did I miss it?

[@melissal3383]

From previous interviews he recommends 1 gram of protein per pound of IDEAL body weight. So if you should weigh 150 lbs. then around 150 grams per day. I’m a small female. If I eat one thick rib-eye, I’ve met my requirements. he will recommend a protein shake that also has healthy fats. Because for some people, it might be hard to get those high levels in 3 meals. He also recommends people try to use fat for energy. Some carbs if necessary but not from a box or barcode.

[@illyt8781]

This is so good

[@michaelhart7569]

Excellent teacher.

[@starnejme6902]

Great discussion

[@parkecorepersonaltrainingp2601]

Amazing information 🤗❤️

[@starnejme6902]

Yeah, Dr. Binman.

[@annaoldenborg3035]

I want to work with in Ben’s lab!

[@xristosportokalis6157]

Beans,chickpeas,lentils,etc. has about 20%protein and 55%carbs.so there are foods in nature packed proteins with carbohydrates together

[@al-manarinstitute8176]

Dr Bikman believes that protein should come from only animal sources as vegetarian sources (like legumes) include a lot of anti nutrients..