The Truth About The Tumblr vs 4chan War

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[@kaylahaas]

my brother was a 4 chan guy, I was a tumblr girl I feel like I should write a formal apology to my poor parents. Those poor people

[@Nocturnimancer]

🎵can i make it anyyy more oooobvious?🎵

[@terranium730]

meanwhile me, who was both at the same time

[@joshraid1550]

Do you have any funny stories about that?

[@MakeSureYouCleanUp]

​@@terranium730Same here. Was around on /b/ in 2004 but then I discovered /a/ and /cgl/. The /cgl/ and tumblr crossover was pretty normal.

[@MayaMaya-tj7kw]

Is your brother trying to go to Thailand to get with some teenagers

[@raviolialamode]

I still vividly remember telling one of my tumblr mutuals who had never heard of 4chan and was relatively sheltered to just ignore the drama, but they insisted on immediately delving into /b/ of all boards. It was like watching someone rushing onto the battlefield armed with only a pool noodle and then immediately stepping on a landmine.

[@tstodgell]

Only /b/? Oh, that sweet summer child. If could have been /pol/, /tttt/ or /r9k/

[@tatianatub]

@@tstodgell dont put the femboys in that list they did nothing wrong

[@gender_nihilism]

@@tstodgell /tttt/ wasn't known as that yet, that came later

[@m0-m0597]

why are people still talking about this

[@escapefr0mslender]

@@tstodgell"sweet summer child" please stop speaking english thanks

[@glitch804]

Me angrily writing a scroll to send to the wizards guild "they have KILLED people with TROLLS"

[@RuSosan]

_The GM will remember that..._

[@rainbowstarfall]

It genuinely boggles my mind that both sites are still alive. They're both past their primes. Neither is profitable. It's an enigma.

[@kimielle]

Indeed the purging of porn and gays from the site and tags did more harm than any 4chan raid ever did

[@EagleTimberWolf]

The most baffling part is they've now chosen to chase away their remaining users by supporting AI lol As if the nsfw ban didn't do enough damage

[@awlomthesheepermen]

Tumblr is such a different beast now

[@RedSntDK]

@@kimielle Corpos was always the #1 enemy

[@aeronlangheim3462]

Weirdos online are always going to need a place to go.

[@JeevesAnthrozaurUS]

Two household, both alike in dignity(In that both lack any)

[@pattheplanter]

Is now the twenty minutes’ traffic of our stage.

[@danig2847]

I’m laughing at the idea of a fanfic about 4chan and Tumblr in the style of Romeo and Juliet but all of it is told exclusively through memes

[@riotghoul4237]

two households, both utterly devoid in dignity,

[@pattheplanter]

@@riotghoul4237Two households, both like indignity.

[@user-ig4dl4iv1j]

My favorite cultural artifact was the gif of Troy from Community bringing a pizza box into a burning room and Troy is labeled "4chan", the pizza box is labeled "g*re p*rn" (asterisked in case of youtube algorithm), the room is labeled "Tumblr" and the fire is also labeled "g*re p*rn"

[@howmuchmorecanItake]

Holy shit that's firing neurons

[@savybeanie]

This killed me😂

[@user-ig4dl4iv1j]

@ville__Hell yea brotha

[@FernBlackwood1995]

@ville__ 12 year old bot boy, back on his grind Let’s have an autism-off and see which of us is more acoustic

[@voidify3]

@@FernBlackwood1995don’t reply to the bot it makes KZbin think it’s real

[@thunderlina3237]

"You can't troll 4chan, it's like pissing into an ocean of piss!" *proceeds to attempt to troll the gay porn and gore website by flooding it with gay porn and gore* I guess what the raid really did is prove that Tumblr too, is an ocean of piss.

[@IneaFaedyn]

🎶But just maybe if we, eat shit together, things will end up differently~🎶

[@remainprofane7732]

Two oceans pissing into each other

[@Puerco-Potter]

I think the difference as she said is "consent", 4chan doesn't believe in consenting to view some material, you will see it and deal with it.

[@IneaFaedyn]

@@Puerco-Potter Because the bad people don't care about consent and 4channers don't wanna hide from the bad people, they want to fuck them (up), and show them that their game means nothing because fear is bullshit and only affects those who let it.

[@AirborneAshes]

@@remainprofane7732i mean that must on some level be equivalent to them kissing surely?

[@nope6021]

4-chan had gore that they glorified as cool and edgy and hard-core. Tumblr had gore that they glorified as sexy, dangerous, and alluring. They are just 2 sides of the same fuckin coin.

[@acewickhamyoshi8330]

Threshy wintrading ,,lol,, if we posted on all 12 popular sites, then about 6 got the vibe

[@connor5268]

I absolutely loved the anthropomorphized 4chan x Tumblr ship as a middle schooler, and I still do to this day

[@MegaFrog]

4chan is a Tumblr sexyman and Tumblr is 4chan's manic pixie dream girl

[@ZonsoAvalune]

it's a match made in hellsites

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

I enjoyed it as an adult, please remember teh interwebz haz rulez.

[@noahkarpinski1824]

A vision of a better world that could never really exist

[@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard]

A revelation of true peace we ignored

[@Rybe33]

I once heard someone describe Tumblr as 'leftist 4chan" and I've yet to recovery. I've never heard a more concise description of Tumblr in my life

[@ElizabethLazuli]

Liberal 4chan would be a more accurate description

[@macrosis1674]

Both even have anons

[@josephtafur]

More like 4Chan for Progressives

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

Strange even called it "4chan for girls", which is accurate, but this might be more accurate.

[@loopholesloopy]

honestly wish i just moved there back when 4chan and its ally sites where getting all far right and trump-ish, i needlessly held on for so long delusionally thinking they'd tone it down or move on from it one day.

[@liampendergast8670]

2014-2015 internet culture feels so alien and isolated from the rest of history. That lull moment in the pre-Trump/late-Obama era before everyone went insane.

[@nefariousgremlin7554]

Before the dark times. Before the culture war.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

GamerGate started then. It was the beginning of the end.

[@klitzy]

Makes you feel like Raoul Duke when he describes the high water mark

[@heartsalive3157]

Well said. It was the time before everyone went nuts.

[@raosameer9175]

Thanks obamna

[@Kirkeyressa]

seeing the word "4chumblr" shaved 10 years off my life

[@Kirkeyressa]

like i knew it was a ship, i was there when it was written, but.... idk i think i just blanked it out of my mind as a defensive mechanism

[@AliceBowie]

It made me have to sit down at my folding chable.

[@definetlynotacomment1184]

wait till you hear about the website. Yes. People actuallly made a site that was supposed to be the child of those sites. It was like a genuine mix of both. Don't know if that THING is still around and I don't want to look.

[@FernBlackwood1995]

@@definetlynotacomment1184 No, are you serious?!

[@iuly8368]

Yes 😭

[@mintjaan]

4chan's use of the f-slur is because edgey homophobia, tumblr users the f-slur because it's reclaimed but also it's one of the last parts of the queer community that's not monetizable.

[@artemiswolf4508]

Based on this recount 4chan sounds like a little boy pulling the pigtails of a girl he has a crush on

[@Nocturnimancer]

Yes. Except the boy is a make-believe sociopath and the girl rides the short bus. The capacity for clowning was very one-sided.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Pretty much accurate.

[@joshraid1550]

@@NocturnimancerI used to ride the short bus and the kids there weren’t all that much dumber than normal dumb kids.

[@AeonKnigh432]

​@@Nocturnimancer oof. Blatant ablism.

[@comically_large_cowboy_hat3385]

@@Nocturnimancerew

[@justcallmejay12]

The thing I remember best from that time was that the Homestuck tag was so goddamn weird already that the 4chan raiders abandoned even trying to spam it

[@animalcollectiveporn]

i just imagining them seeing the literal embodiment of their website being infantilized to hell and leaving the tag

[@thepinkplushie]

"I hope this doesn't awaken anything in me"

[@calamaribowl8683]

Isn't it still that way?

[@Cozycompanioncorner]

I staffed Dashcon's volunteer security, and leading up to the event, we expected a potential irl 4Chan raid was the worst thing that would happen at that convention... Heh... 😅

[@404_nowheresnotfound3]

Then everyone clapped.

[@rx500android]

Oh my god. We need to hear your side of the story

[@Cozycompanioncorner]

​@rx500android I have done an interview and am planning my own video for the anniversary, and am open to another interview. My spouse might be up for more interviews, too, as they were the volunteer security department head and has juicier experiences than me. A basic security op on night shift where nothing happened while I was on shift

[@FernBlackwood1995]

Was it as smelly as everyone thinks?

[@raphniamagna2567]

its kinda weird that tumblr has a reputation of being "soft" when the only settings for tumblr users are "regular person who is on for fandom/oc stuff" or "battle hardened war veteran shaped by years of discourse and homophobic anon hate mail"

[@Kas_Styles]

When you mess with fandoms you get the ready for battle side of us as a whole fandom(s)

[@notahumanbeing6892]

and most are both lmao

[@Puerco-Potter]

I think it's about the nature of the battles Tumblr has, they are trying to make it "softer", they are trying to make an utopia, while 4chan users want everyone to fend for themselves in a mad max apocalypse style.

[@demetriam2408]

Yeah man I'm scared of it a little

[@Kas_Styles]

@@demetriam2408 fandoms? Lol. I'm in one and same

[@busterb7482]

I feel like the ship dynamic of the later years of 4chumblr would be like Grusk (Grimes x musk)

[@despicablegoose]

now i need strange to make a video on grimes/musk. there is so much lore and its all so insane

[@DefyReality-ll2cg]

lol true!

[@Grimeygrotto]

It definitely is

[@CyrusTheFrog]

Completely accurate

[@cuttlefishonfire7502]

you're right but also how dare you make me read the word Grusk

[@PerogiXW]

The whole "recapture our glory days" mentality but in the 2010s is throwing me for a loop. I was an active 4channer from 2007-2009 and EVERYONE was constantly trying to recapture the glory days of the "epic" July 2007 raids of Habbo Hotel and Second Life, declaring that 4chan was dead now that the halcyon 2006-2007 days had past, etc. I'm so fucking old

[@AlexiNico-nj5oo]

I can't imagine taking pride in 4chan. As a former redditor and current Tumblr user I have never liked anything about those cites and I would die of embarrassment if somebody found my horny Tumblr poetry

[@PerogiXW]

@AlexiNico-nj5oo Yeah, it was turbo-cringeworthy stuff. Very much a place for alienated and angry boys to feel like they belong, which is why it became and remains a hub for white supremacists and fascists. By luck of growing out of it, I migrated to reddit and tumblr before 2010 when all the nazi shit popped off in earnest, but it was always a pathetic and angry place.

[@Belsthar]

I too evolved out of being a channer in the mid-to-late 00s

[@Archflip]

@@PerogiXWYou know, an interesting topic for another day might be big moments in site migration. I feel like there's generally a lot of history in that discussion, and it's been a thing that comes up from time to time. I also jumped around between sites in the past, from 4chan, mostly to imgur and reddit and then branching to Tumblr when reddit was kind of having its own problems later on. Usually pretty hard to tell where people go when a site splits though unless there are coordinated migration efforts, so that might actually take some research.

[@MakeSureYouCleanUp]

​@@AlexiNico-nj5oo '04 4chan user here. The place actually was pretty leftist in a lot of aspects in the past and a lot of my internet nostalgia and best times came from that site. Like before streaming sites really took off, we'd have weekly threads on /a/ for various anime. Watching and reading series like Code Geass, Madoka Magica and Gurren Lagann was some of the most hype moments. When Robot Unicorn Attack took over /v/, when /v/ vs /b/ happened, GET wars, Storytime threads on /co/, Bartender threads where people would come together, post a drink and talk about life... We took pride since it was a sense of sharing moments and bonding as a community. Even slurs turned into terms of endearment like writef*g, drawf*g, n*gga just meaning a person. Yea dont get me wrong it's terrible place but it had it's own charm. I was on tumblr and Gaia at the same time funny enough but the freedom of 4chan kept me there the most.

[@georgespiggott5615]

The funny thing about the 2014 4chan raid was that it was almost entirely 4chan users fighting themselves via sockpuppets. Very Ms. Scribe of them.

[@zenheretic_]

As someone who was on both 4chan and tumblr during the 2010 raid, it was something so uniquely 2010 that it could never be repeated.

[@mollybrown9857]

FINALLY! Someone talking about what actually happened! I only ever see people talk about this from a 4chan user perspective! I remember the warning posts on my tumblr dash because of the invasion and finding 4chan's actions really immature and dumb.

[@gregoryvn3]

You're just saying that because 4chan really is immature and dumb. At best.

[@Treegona]

Oh I remember the 2014 'raids'. Never bothered me none cus I didn't use the tags, but I remember reading people talking about how 4Chan was going to make gore art of HS characters and just thinking. How could it possibly be worse than canon. I mean. Eridan. Wildly upsetting? I'll do a dramatic fucking pirouette off the handle for you. It was all very "we'll take the brunt of it, for they can't hurt us in any way that matters". But it's nice to have a bit more context for where that all came from

[@ReaverRoyale]

I had a similar experience. It was entertaining to see all the homestuck memes swamp my dashboard like there was an update

[@Treegona]

@@ReaverRoyale Hmm. Potato.

[@AlexiNico-nj5oo]

Tumblr is the origin of half the memes, 4chan is the origin of the other half. Tumblr tells long probably fake stories, greentexts exist. The one major difference is that Tumblr banned porn.

[@JackgarPrime]

Don't forget Something Awful, the granddaddy of them all.

[@AlexiNico-nj5oo]

@@JackgarPrime YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG

[@calamaribowl8683]

Tried to.

[@vsGoliath96]

The year is 2015 and my girlfriend and I attend Comic Con dressed as the 4chan and Tumblr girl avatars. 🤣

[@mr.broman3721]

True love

[@brutalbunny]

tumblr x 4chan feels very comphet of tumblr

[@brutalbunny]

to be honest i forgot tumblr used to be very straight. i was around when ppl were squeeing about their ovaries from hiddledaddy but i still cant recognize it as a hetero website

[@sophia-fuckthehandlesystem]

@@brutalbunnymost of the straights left after the porn ban and the rest got out of the closet lol

[@yurifairy2969]

feels comphet for 4chan too tbh

[@Mura_128]

@@sophia-fuckthehandlesystemThe transhets are still there, we are few but we are strong!

[@bogwife7942]

tumblr was straighter back then

[@misterantrobus]

“you wanna kiss me so bad it makes you look stupid.” - tumblr and 4chan to me

[@Solar_1011]

This reads like an AO3 tag

[@BigBongly]

4Chan is hilarious to me cuz sure it IS a hellscape of just the most decrepit things, it simultaneously is home to some of the funniest damn posts/events I have ever seen. The Little Man Cam saga is really funny, the Shrek DVD orc that lived in a rented basement of some elderly couple, ugh some damn classics I tell ya

[@sillysputnik]

the rawest form of Pandora's Box

[@ranchustars3050]

remember seeing someone post on tumblr someone who made a spamton meatloaf on 4chan.

[@BlaireSnorlax]

​@sillysputnik Pandora was the first anon to get their identity leaked, and ya can't convince me otherwise.

[@maximumbees]

the prehistoric animals singing gets me every time

[@AlexanderSwan-f2d]

Holy shit the guy who lived in the basement and everyone was like wtf is wrong with your hands lol how could I forget that

[@kiwi-se4ld]

As someone who was (unfortunately) on both sites, I just remember this all being so stupid lol. The spam was so annoying, but also it was funny how sheltered 4chan seemed to think Tumblr users were, because the stuff I used to see on that hell site still haunt me to this day. I could just avoid the threads I didn't want to see on 4chan and just go for the memes but on Tumblr the crazy shit would be tagged something like "poetry" or "aesthetic" and would pop up unannounced. Ah, the wild west of the early Internet.

[@Baphomets_Kid]

I’m convinced every major conflict in the West right now is an outgrowth of the 4chan vs. Tumblr war.

[@ayceinquisitor190]

4chan vs Tumblr is a symptom of an older problem

[@demetriam2408]

Tbh it's probably just 4chan vs. 4 Chan these political parties be the same

[@zoinomiko]

@@demetriam2408 True, some //s of 4-chan weren't doing much while the other half was actively flamethrowering the country, very apt comparison.

[@stoutyyyy]

I mean, there is an argument to be made that the 2010 war ultimately set the stage for Gamergate, which is a direct line to the 2016 election

[@chikari123]

Holy shit you’re right this is literally what the seed that sprouted the political “culture war” today I’m gonna kms.

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

My favorite thing about the "war" when 4chan publicly announced which tags they were going to raid, so we just avoided those tags, then they got upset that the raid wasn't working.

[@hatemteirelbar9510]

But what you don't know is that his real name is Strange Aeons....

[@redherringoffshoot2341]

it’s all of our names, now

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

I have a lot more respect for meme war vets on both sides than for the average person. We all fought hard, and I was put in the middle.

[@violettaincredible5689]

I actually thought Strange Aeons used she/her pronouns. Damn

[@BewilderedCitrus]

@@violettaincredible5689 She does. The "his real name is Strange Aeons" is like an inside joke from one of Tia's older videos.

[@kimorayn1733]

I couldn't agree more.

[@ColinAYB]

Easily the biggest shift in 4chan culture came from the Hal Turner raids, which put a site full of anonymous, edgy anime fans and nerds on the radar of Stormfront users and other white supremacist types. Using the relative anonymity the site provides, they managed to "How do you do, fellow kids?" their propaganda into the overall zeitgeist of the forum. The site's userbase is probably still about as proportionately left and right wing as the rest of society, but it's hard to shake a reputation when the most newsworthy shit to come from the site in the past decade has been Gamergate and a series of murderers.

[@citrus_sweet]

I can second this from a secondhand perspective. I never experienced the site during this but someone (from /pol/ I guess) told me about this and not to hate the website too much because of what Stormfront did to their website. 😔

[@LimeyLassen]

It was kind of inevitable, when a website is famous for lax moderation eventually someone dangerous will take notice of that and colonize them.

[@LimeyLassen]

It was kind of inevitable, when a website is famous for lax moderation eventually someone dangerous will take notice of that and colonize them.

[@bararobberbaron859]

I thought Gamergate started with murderer and cheater Zoe Quinn. Shows what I know I guess.

[@LimeyLassen]

@@bararobberbaron859 It does show what you know.

[@Simbanut]

I remember messaging one girl who wrote what board on 4chan she was from on her arm, and she had posted something like, “I’m thin, white, and cis, triggered yet tumblr?” With her boobs more or less out and we got talking. I think I had started with something along the lines of, “oh that’s a cute cardigan you have on” and she replied to that, and after a bit of back and forth, I just asked and I was like, “so… like, what have you gotten out of this? Like has this been a successful raid? Or trolling or whatever? Like admittedly I just don’t mess around with 4chan because I’m just not interested in a lot of the stuff popular on the site and my friends are here but like, I don’t quite get the goal ‘cause isn’t the point that we’ve got spaces we can carve out to our interests? Not that you can’t be here you’re totally welcome to be. It’s the internet do whatever but like, why waste time on us if you think we’re losers?” She ended up saying most people were actually being really nice and if anything just saying if they need any support with anything that they would help them find resources since she had some old scaring. The troll was in fact not satisfactory and she was going back to 4chan, but with a slightly different view of tumblr. We actually did stay messaging for a few days after that. Hope she kept growing and is doing all good now. I know I had a lot of growing to do at that point and I’ve had scars come and fade since then too.

[@risxra]

This was an oddly poignant story, love to hear about normal human interactions on the internet lol, and good on you for reaching out

[@staidenofanarchy]

I was VERY on Tumblr in 2014, and I somehow completely ducked this whole event.

[@_goopho]

I feel like that's very much an experience shared by users who were there almost exclusively for fandom stuff, especially outside superwholock (kpop in my case)

[@j-skullz]

Same lol I was aware of it but I wasn't into any of the "big 3" fandoms and never used the popular tags so I didn't care lol

[@2yearoldeastercandy935]

@officerdeath what are you waffling about?

[@maleab8843]

I had a 4chan user friend in like 7th grade and that man was absolutely destroyed by that website. I am convinced that’s why he turned out the way he is

[@dirtbagdeacon]

....that makes me so deeply sad. I know some people can outgrow it, but some just aren't able to.

[@benfaunce7496]

Sounds like he never got to being a man. Hopes & prayers 🙏

[@12.7x99mm]

​@@dirtbagdeaconI legit fell into that rabbithole. Part of me just can't climb out.

[@sehnisweet343]

Oh my god I remember being like 16 and thinking of myself as some sort of internet vigilante bc i discovered areas of 4chan where they talked about raids (i was on there out of curiosity, bad idea overall) and I would make note of a bunch of tumblr blogs they planned to raid and then go on tumblr and message those people to warn them lmaoo

[@Archflip]

the Paul Revere of the internet age.

[@themysteriousplutonian7955]

Honestly that's quite cool of you, even if that isn't especially dramatic some people might have benefited from the warning.

[@jimmyjenkins4425]

my memory of the 2014 raid is seeing a whole lot of “4CHAN IS RAIDING US” and “HERES HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF” posts but never actually seeing any gore lol

[@sidoniegabrielle269]

same lmao. i reblogged all the PSAs about how to protect yourself but honestly outside of those my dash stayed the exact same and i had a pretty chill online week

[@brutalbunny]

...WAS FREEBLEEDING A 4CHAN PSYOP?

[@Moocow2003]

I don't even need evidence, I'm willing to believe that

[@Nocturnimancer]

Dude... yes. That's some ancient lore right there. If you didn't know that one, I've got some bad news... probably around 30% of neopronoun/trans stuff that is considered normal in those circles was something 4chan tricked them into. The whole point was to make these groups absurd beyond parody and that these were the most impressionable people alive, but they adopted the ideas and now we live in clown world. If it makes anyone feel any better, that site has run so many psyops as leftist ideology, and it worked so consistently and so easily, that the avg 4channer type became paranoid that everything they see is a psyop by some other group. Usually the government or activists.

[@archerymidnight3422]

​@@NocturnimancerI managed to alienate myself from every friend i had in school for bringing up how certain things were genuine 4chan psyops lmao

[@xionkuriyama5697]

The MAP thing is also a 4chan psyop and everyone believes that still somehow. Luckily it seems theyre running out of ideas lately, last year they tried to make Pride Month into Dinosaur Month instead (yes really).

[@loglorn]

I had never heard of this and my first thought was "lmao that's actually pretty good satire"

[@discodog4582]

watching this video made me realize how poorly researched IH’s video on it back in the day was. Bro didn’t even realize the 2014 raid was completely instigated by 4chan

[@AlexiNico-nj5oo]

He's a Chan board user.

[@404_nowheresnotfound3]

@@AlexiNico-nj5oo yeah most of his 4chan videos were more retelling of events that he probably participated in and not actually internet archaeology like Eons does.

[@Paracelsus897]

It's at the end of IH's video, he says "it's widely believed that /pol was behind the initial raids." /pol users went on tumblr and pretended to be users instigating a raid on 4chan, got others caught up in it, so that /b would raid back.

[@RuSosan]

Well it's not like IH wrote the scripts he used so... 😃

[@Archflip]

@@RuSosan Hmm... On one hand, yeah, yeah, notorious plagiarist. But on the other hand, eh, when it comes to 4chan related stuff, I actually do think he probably wrote that himself. It better explains his inherent biases. It's more any information from outside of 4chan that I more believe was plagiarized.

[@capsizemoonz2251]

Ive seen the personanifed 4chan and tumbler Personally id just like to imagine those two are like the two friends you had in highschool who absolutely hated eachother that now are just living together in a small apartment in contempt

[@mushroomroyalty]

DARLINGGGGGG GUESS WHO’S BACK FROM JAILLLLLLLLLL!!!!!?

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

*>OH SHIT I'M FEELIN' IT*

[@idlingabout6128]

Feeling so safe in this uber

[@randomtinypotatocried]

@officerdeathBuddy what the fuck are you talking about? You've been spamming this throughout the comment section

[@nerdporkspass1m1st78]

@@randomtinypotatocriedYeah LOL 💀

[@Kamboshin]

4chan was kind of shit in 2014, some boards were ok but a lot of threads were just people trying to ragebait each other for no real reason other than boredom, and other boards like /pol/ were absolute garbage all around and infested with "edgy" 13 yo kids

[@loopholesloopy]

it only got worse since then trust me, they still do the rage bait stuff non stop, some boards every thread is rage bait

[@Kamboshin]

@@loopholesloopy I haven't gone there in maybe 10 years but I imagine it's partly because it got deserted by a lot of people, kinda like how facebook turned into a big retirement home for angry boomers

[@Lockfly]

It's just not for u, 4chan is doing fine

[@Kamboshin]

@@Lockfly ok kid

[@sorentothesky]

​@@Lockfly take a shower

[@madisonemily4083]

It’s kinda ironic that 4chan spouted anti-authoritarian ideas, but have gone on to reinforce the cultural hegemony in their attack of minority groups that deviate from the norm.

[@kingofsting19]

Its anti-authoritarianism was really just a skin-deep "you can't make me go to bed, mom!" approach to politics that, in the late 2000s and early 2010s Internet culture, was mostly characterized by right-wing moral majority figures like the Bush admin members and Pat Robertson evangelicals. If you were 4chan's core demo of nerdy white guy who was into video games, porn, and everything else those aforementioned right-wingers wanted to ban, you were basically a nominal ally of the queer community by default for as long as the Republican culture war was fought on those terms. The state of 4chan and the Internet in general from GamerGate to the election of Donald Trump was the tipping point to where the right's image as stuffy old religious zealots who want to ban fun things was eclipsed by the left's image (accurate or not) as a bunch of joyless, man-hating feminists who *also* wanted to ban "fun" things. Even if the only things the feminists were asking them was to introspect and stop saying slurs, that was still more than what the right now demanded of them. Especially now after most of them have started to double down on Christian nationalism and now believe that as white men, they are entitled to wives, homes, and cushy jobs, as they imagined all white men were in the bad old days. It's our generation's equivalent to the Boomers starting out hippies and winding up selling out.

[@joeschmo4646]

That’s literally only /pol/

[@lkcdarzadix6216]

That's /pol/ in a nutshell

[@rustkitty]

I'm not sure that's ironic. 4chan as a whole has a libertarian type contrarian/anti-authoritarian bent, so they allowed all kinds of crazies. On the other hand /pol/ has been an actual literal Nazi board pretty much from the start. Creating pol was a mistake that ultimately lead to the funder desperately selling 4chan off during GamerGate. It's some real "paradox of tolerance" shit. (also it's suspected that bad blood related to that sale ultimately lead to QAnon so the ramifications are really staggering)

[@beansworth5694]

The sort of unprincipled "anti-authoritarianism" that people like that embody really just tends to amount to rejection of accountability to anything or anyone, sometimes even including oneself... therefore, it really shouldn't be that surprising that there's an immature hypocrisy embedded in the people who act on that sort of nonsense as their expressed core ideological axiom.

[@coralt5541]

As soon as you called them kindred spirits my brain went "ah yes, 4Chanpulet and Tumblotague, two houses alike in dignity (none)"

[@elysia8458]

I remember this so well because my older sister told her friend who was an avid 4-chan user my blog URL and he proceeded to send me images of brutalised cats. I was 14

[@GnosticInformantTV]

thats how you know these are both terminally online because they do these attacks on July 4th when everyone is out partying at beaches

[@Rose_Castle]

I remember this time. I ignored all of it. Because i was in my 20's and i absolutely refused to be involved. It was 2014, couldn't we just agree that we both hated Reddit? Back before we needed Reddit to get any answers from Google.

[@nicolejustkidding8662]

back then we had yahoo answers too 🚬😮‍💨

[@aidanshea5942]

If only they united, think if how quickly Facebook and Twitter would have fell to their power?

[@moll8]

"extremely online teenage girls who think lizard should be a gender and extremely online teenage boys who think it's cool to say slurs." and they were kissing!!!!!

[@chocomelo454]

Hissed through my teeth when i read tbat because every time someone says "extremely online girl who thinks *** should be a gender" they always mean transmascs and its driving me up the wall.

[@nicolasnamed]

​@chocomelo454 nah they probably mean non-binary afabs broadly. I don't see people saying this about Trans Men.

[@ScornfulEg0tist]

everyone has their toxic crush

[@chocomelo454]

@@nicolasnamed so Just transmascs Once again Bc thats What a transmasc is

[@Alex_Barbosa]

​@chocomelo454 does transmasc not stand for trans-masculine?

[@thecorbohole3637]

Great video, I have one correction due to my wasted youth. The reason behind hating 4chan memes being popular on other sites, be it tumblr or reddit or whatever you want, was always more based on a notion that the users of those sites were then going to come to 4chan because of those memes and stink up the place. It likely does happen in some cases (especially greentexts) but I'm not sure if this has ever actually been a real and common thing. Ironically for how thick-skinned 4chan likes to pretend it is, the idea of people coming in and not getting the culture always really stuck in their craw. Likely because they saw that as being a threat to change it if not fought. It's fine if you come and piss in the piss ocean, but if you come dump your drink in it, we're going to scream and cry about it. The one thing you can really do to upset me is to shift the atmosphere of my safe hatebox, no matter how slightly.

[@esotericpince]

thanks for the addition :3 informative

[@voland6846]

"Eternal September" has been the bugaboo of all insular internet communities since way before 4chan existed... I'm pretty sure it's originally a _usenet_ term. Which is to say, your final sentence is just *entirely* accurate.

[@j-skullz]

Wow that sounds like Tumblr when Twitter users started migrating over last year or so, we were like making deliberately weird and cringe posts so they'd stay away lol. maybe we really aren't so different.

[@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard]

​@@j-skullzWhich is weird, because equally when r/196 was under threat of shutting down due to various subreddits protesting the API changes, Tumbkr was veey welcoming, i remember seeing a lot of posts explaining to people basic tumblr culture, etiquette and how the site works, as well aspromoting the tags for r/196 and 196 plenty and it makes me wonder if the reason is because Twitter has been taking a very sharp right-wing generaly ideology with all the blue checkmarks being encouraged to make inflamatory comments to get interaction and such, while r/196 is a very left leaning subreddit and very on brand for Tumblr kind of humor

[@thecorbohole3637]

@@voland6846 Oh man, the wave of memories you talking about September/Summer hit me with is brutal. You are correct.

[@agothgirlsdiary]

This is going to be an academic resource one day. Probably tomorrow, but that's one day!

[@Lucca111Angel]

oh my god…. I was active on tumblr during one of the smaller raids (the one in late 2014) and it absolutely DECIMATED my irl friend group in a way that I can’t even begin to explain 😭😭 I mostly remember that 4chan members were allegedly using secret codes?? and everyone started communicating through Omegle and I tried going undercover???? anyway this video brought me BACK ty Strange

[@ravenwolf2220]

OMG YES THE OMEGLE UNDERCOVER SHIT. I spent an evening giggling to myself in my room as I joined in with that (From the tumblr side) and honestly, it was kinda a blast

[@citrus_sweet]

I never understood this "war" because at the time I was using tumblr (prior to knowing much about 4chan), a lot of people I followed on tumblr were also 4chan users and they seemed pretty fine and not ooo spooky internet boogeyman.

[@loopholesloopy]

everyone was using multiple sites but acting like they where loyal to the one they where on at the time lol

[@gigachadgaming1551]

Tha hacker known as 4chan

[@xXSKY64Xx]

Also I’m gonna say this now, I’m starting to think Internet Historian wasn’t good at his job.

[@animalcollectiveporn]

*tommy tallarico

[@saladman420]

Agreed

[@xXSKY64Xx]

Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoy his videos, but some of his early videos like rainfurrest didn’t do a good job of fact checking. No, nobody wore diapers at the convention or shit in them and threw them onto cars.

[@friendlysoviet1]

@@xXSKY64Xx Its okay to libel furries for comedic purposes

[@LimeyLassen]

IH is very funny but yeah all his videos are big fish stories that should be squinted at

[@liger04]

4chan v Tumblr fights remind me of the Crusades in that the people doing it think they're righting some grand injustice, but everyone not involved can plainly see it's just a group of easily manipulated people getting into fights for made-up reasons. And it keeps happening, because even though the stated goal NEVER HAPPENS they can pretend some inconsequential victory is actually progress to their ultimate success.

[@kimielle]

Very 'art imitating life' in that regard

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Well the first Crusade wasn't for no reason, southern European countries were constantly being attacked from the Mediterrean so people got sick of it and asked the Pope to authorize Operation Taste of Their Own Medicine.

[@AmbassadorCantrip]

So 4 Chan instigated a fight, got mad their own members pretended to be part of said fight, then attacked tumblr for the fight they caused and also pretended to participate in? Then blamed tumblr for it? Guess you can’t take the logic of incels and internet idiots as solid, but Jesus lmao

[@AmbassadorCantrip]

Feels very “biting yourself as a kid and then blaming your sibling for it” lmao

[@fossilfighters101]

+

[@MK_ULTRA420]

4chan didn't get mad they got away with trolling tumblr lol

[@eddie-roo]

They built a wooden horse, filled it with soldiers and delivered it to their own doorstep

[@haiperbus]

because unlike tumblr, 4chan's anonamous nature means it's not nearly as homogenous in opinion, so refering to them as if they're a single entity is ridiculous. A simple example would be the fact that 4chan has an lgbt board while tumblr would NEVER allow a politically offensive board.

[@monomiusami7032]

i was there on tumblr during the "raids" and never saw a damn thing because ive never been someone to browse tags. it's hilariously easy to avoid shock spam on websites that just show you stuff from people you follow and nothing else. i was an early teen and for the most part i just remember thinking it was funny 4chan cared so much about their made-up vision of tumblr users. "guro" gore fetish blogs were pretty commonplace at the time too

[@Chonk_enthusiest]

One thing that I feel is good to mention is that, 4chan post 2013 was not the site for anti sjws. I was big into anti sjw personalities and spaces online, the overall consensus of the majority was that tumblr was crazy whereas 4chan was almost not spoken about in a way that showed a genuine understanding that 4chan users beliefs were a lot less agreeable and a lot more actually dangerous. The reason why 4chan very rarely got criticism was because it was just well known as a horrible place to look, akin to the incel forum, it wasn't as fun to mock something so serious when you could make a shitty meme about Big Red, or cringe compilations or talking about ace/pan discourse. So basically even in the anti sjw crowd, the greater numbers weren't users or supporters of 4chan, not to say that 4chan weren't anti sjw, just that alot of the beliefs are a lot more extreme then most anti sjws were

[@Moocow2003]

it's like having a guy who eats his own shit agree with you on the best type of pizza. Like, thanks man, but I'm not sure I want you to be on my side with this one...

[@ruedelta]

4chan really got gutted post 2013. I figured the lack of criticism at that point was because the site was a shambling husk of a zombie, with its user base entirely replaced by edgelord right wingers who thought the jokes and irony were a cover for misery.

[@bepis9174]

yeah the usual anti-sjw dude people think of was more of a stereotype of redditors than your average 4channer

[@risxra]

@@Moocow2003heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a great point

[@DAEsaster]

​@officerdeathWhat does this even mean....? I feel like I'm having a stroke

[@PaxHeadroom]

Speaking as someone who was on the 4chan side of the war, this was a trip. This was a very weird time to be a terminally online 16 year old. Also fuck /pol/, I remember when they were the most hated board on the site.

[@Theonixco]

They still are.

[@IneaFaedyn]

pol still sucks and always has, 4chan is for porn and psychologically abusing edgy teenagers

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

They still are. "Back to /pol/" is the default response to people stinking up orher boards.

[@IneaFaedyn]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I mean, better contained in /pol/ rather than leaking out literally anywhere else

[@dizzylilthing]

this is going to be the first time I am engaging with a video only for the engagement because I will be too triggered by the content material. Not because this is any genuine trauma or problem but because I might actually see myself in this video and I genuinely cannot grapple with that fact.

[@pumpkinjuice180]

NO I REMEMBER GETTING SO UPSET ABOUT THIS THAT I TOLD MY PARENTS ABOUT IT

[@ravenwolf2220]

OMG I did the same! god 14 year old me was real cringe

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

_”Whoever wins, we lose.”_

[@radRadiolarian]

i love how your barcode bangs move when you move your head

[@blueismylove3128]

4Chumbler has always been my favorite enemies to lovers representation. No one could have done it better. 4chan literally having to stage a reason to leave the relationship is what keeps me. A true 2000s love story. Beautiful.

[@beriiO]

SCREAMING MY ASS OFF I was there and drew fanart for the 4chumblr stuff 😭😭🤣🤧 and it was the first time I got the experience my art being reposted to 4chan lol

[@WillTheGreatest]

God I remember this time during college and it felt like a war where tumblr picked the absolute WRONG enemy. Here for the lore video

[@agent74113]

same

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

🍀the war is over, glad they're less censored than they were for a while. Plenty of backups exist for everything, even if your account is gone.. it might not be gone

[@eddie-roo]

Tumblr didn't pick anything, tho? They just retaliated for most of it

[@WillTheGreatest]

@@eddie-roo I learned a lot from the video

[@oliverkristensen6091]

you have VERY jiggly bangs in this video. I hadn't noticed at first but it is now consuming my entire existence

[@theBlindDeafMute]

As someone who used both sites extensively in the early 2010, there was absolutely a huge shift in culture around 2014. Before, 4chan knew they were the bad guys and kind of revelled in that fact. Now, the think theyre some underdog heroes on a righteous crusade. They obtained values where before they had none.

[@Steph-zo5zk]

This just unlocked repressed memories of MCM expo conventions where a load of people came in that exact green bodysuit and my friends and I just assumed they were from a weird fandom we didn't know. Thanks for solving that mystery for me.

[@AutiCyrptArch]

I've gone from the Siege of Terra to the trenches of the Tumblr/4chan conflict. War never changes. 🚬😮‍💨

[@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269]

May the Emperor be with you, brother 🙏

[@theletters9623]

The other fascinating thing about more modern tumblr 4chan interactions is how the 4chan greentext storytelling format has kinda dribbled over to tumblr (and lowkey youtube comments sections for some reason) as a meme format. Also how somehow despite EVERYTHING these two webbed sites will still post the same anime girl reaction images in response to things that do not matter

[@AeonKnigh432]

Literally this entire "war" is just 4chan being awful and Tumblr just kind of ignoring them until they stop.

[@ChloeOHwowie]

Yeah, thats what it seems like, 4chan was throwing a hissy fit and tumblr had to deal with it lol

[@DAEsaster]

Younger sibling dynamic

[@locutusdiborg88]

explain the videos of the tumblr users that you find on the internet historian video then

[@Mayhamsdead]

COPIUM

[@kaydoeteccc7741]

​@@ChloeOHwowieTumblr whale spotted

[@Grixzen]

they are like those two koi fishes in that avatar episode

[@rx500android]

So specific yet so true

[@theoldjesterisdead9434]

From my experience on tumblr, we are way scarier than 4chan users. They post shock images to shock, Tumblr has cute little aesthetical gore blogs

[@kaydoeteccc7741]

😂😂 delusional

[@sg_dan]

"I was there, Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago"

[@tootylertootyler]

when youre trynna beat the weird kid allegations but you know the inner lore to this topic specifically

[@HotaruMimiuchi]

I don't know if anyone recalls when 4channers tried to overload the servers for Gaia Online when GO added a bunch of meme-based items in 2008. It was pretty wild but the MODs were really stepping it up and banned a lot of accounts to combat the 4channers. I think the servers got overloaded a couple times but it wasn't nearly as bad as it had been during events prior to that. Maybe the GO staff wanted to test the limits of their new servers and knew that adding meme-based items would get them swamped with 4channers (something that had happened to other online games and forums at the time) or maybe they just didn't care. Anyways, it was a wild time.

[@redhand8836]

As an old ..."4chan User" I can tell you by the time the first "tumblr war" happened, /b/ had been overrun with redditors. Prior to "Project Chanology" the "slenderman looking green guy" was the representation of Anonymous, and anonymous wasn't a hacktivist group. Reddit was our first platform that we hated, because they'd run all of our image macro memes(Because reddit is the one that came in and didn't understand what a meme was and thought image macro's were it) in to the ground and then try to be cool on our site and get us to be their personal army any time they had a beef with anyone. Back in the old times, we'd do raids on other sites because it was funny not anti-authority. Anyone who tells you we had a beef with authority, is only half right. We didn't pick fights with authority figures, some of the fights we picked were just because we thought it was funny to mess with people.Tom Green for one, Ghost(an old white supremacist talk show host, who /b/ later found out because his websites backend didn't have a password and archived correspondence was an FBI plant.) for another, etc. It wasn't until Reddit, who I'll consider 4chan's annoying little brother at the time, started noticing us that we started getting floods of people wanting to DO something with invasions and be elite hackers. They'd make a reddit thread on whatever sub they frequented, a mod would be like "hey don't do that on our subreddit" then run to /b/ because no one would stop them, ad nauseam. A majority of the original userbase stopped using /b/ by 2010, and were on /v/ and /a/ mostly (I migrated to /co/ and /tg/ personally)

[@404_nowheresnotfound3]

It’s honestly impressive that Reddit has been unanimously hated by everyone for its whole existence.

[@redhand8836]

@@404_nowheresnotfound3 It's impressive how often Reddit does stupid or heinous shit and gets other websites blamed for it.

[@404_nowheresnotfound3]

@@redhand8836 as much as other websites do or get blame for shit no other site has changed from a noun to an adjective in my vocabulary like Reddit has.

[@Solinaru]

what leaves me crying and laughing like someone about to be wiped away in a nuke is the realization that Reddit was where so many old "friends" went to around 2010 and effectively drained all the adults from the 4ch room. We left /b/ and it somehow managed to get even more downhill. We would mine 4ch for memes that our normie coworkers would enjoy and repost on Reddit while never giving back to the community. reddit sucked the life out of 4ch everyday, and then posted as anons about how Tumblr was the reason the site's culture was going extinct.

[@redhand8836]

@@SolinaruAnd if follow the popular narrative about the history of 4chan, a lot of the points of "fond remembrance" were what got reddit involved in our shit. Again I say reddit was 4chans annoying little brother, we hung out with YTMND and Newgrounds and then they came in and were like "You and your friends are so cool and funny! I want to be just like you guys!" and then proceeded to touch all of our video game controllers with cheetoh covered hands(metaphorically).

[@ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchcoat69]

I do find it hilarious that anonymous social media users pride themselves on being absolutely terrible people… anonymously online… Like they know they couldn’t handle the backlash from general society for being purposefully horrible in real life where people know who they are, so they’ll just send anonymous hate as though that makes them some sort of big bad supervillain while they imagine that literally anyone cares about their existence.

[@RuSosan]

_And_ coincidentally in so doing they erode their social skills, normalize antisocial mentality to themselves, isolate themselves to online "living" as they burn away hours and hours of their days on pointless garbage, plant themselves in hostile digital echo chambers where rational discussion is actively destroyed... And then they get worse because they've destroyed their social lives and start exhibiting more and more of that behaviour IRL, unironically.

[@perro692]

Well, they probably don't have much else to be proud about

[@DragonRagovi]

That Mike Tyson quote has aged like a fine wine, that's for sure.

[@legateelizabeth]

It makes sense when you consider that once upon a time being that was about deliberately PLAYING the villain. The internet has always been a bit LARPy, but in the early 2010's especially the internet still wasn't real life. Everyone thought they were more important than they were and drama was larger than life and very transient, so playing a terrible person online was... playing the bad guy, in a very fantastical way. Even the next day, you could choose not to be that anymore. And you certainly weren't that when you logged off, and that was the point. Now the internet is real life and all that drama of it being like the WWE where everyone had larger than life beefs is gone, and all the ways we pretended to be righteous or awful are people genuinely being self-righteous or awful.

[@nicolejustkidding8662]

​@@legateelizabethno but its SO crazy to me that anonymity isnt the expected default state of the internet anymore lmao. people act like you're hiding yourself for shady underhanded reasons now for having what used to be a normal online account that's not associated with your name... what a radical culture shift!

[@Zuxtron]

I saw something similar on another site. I used to play a game called Subeta, which is basically a more mature version of Neopets. It had a Longcat item, and 4chan really didn't like that, so they raided the forums with shock images. Eventually, the Subeta staff relented and replaced the Longcat with something else.

[@izzymosley1970]

Now that I think about it 4chan and Tumblr form this weird yin yang duo in the internet. At first they seem like polar opposites but when you look closer they both have big similarities.

[@cameronmeade4200]

As someone who spent most of their time on 4chan as a kid in the 2000s, its equally delightful and depressing to learn about the wonderful world of tumblr

[@_Chlorophyllis]

"She was fearless and crazier than him. She was his queen, and God help anyone who dared to disrespect his queen."

[@IneaFaedyn]

Now that's good nostalgia. I was sitting on the sidelines during this but was definitely a 4channer who felt all the ways about Tumblr that you say. Now I'm a good and nice NB. I still don't go to Tumblr but I super get it and just wish the few times I tried to get into it I wasn't immediately insulted and harassed for not knowing what superwholock was implicitly just by the title. (I got a "You don't belong here this place is too wacky for someone like you" basically. Like fine sure I'll just go to literally the most insane place on the internet and be a piece of garbage if you think you're so wacky and better than me)

[@user-xh6cg7zf9h]

ok

[@IneaFaedyn]

@@user-xh6cg7zf9h ? Weird response, you seem pissy

[@kimorayn1733]

Dispite their size, both sites aren't commercially viable... I've literally never thought of that.

[@bezka3545]

i wasn't even on the internet back then but somehow was surprised by nothing mentioned in this video

[@artistfloor9]

I remember first becoming truly aware of 4chan when I was a high school junior in 08-09 and I was doing some group therapy sessions. One of the other kids felt the need to inform the group about what was going down in the “asshole of the internet.” Like I’m over in the corner trying to work up the courage to talk about my social anxiety or my grandma’s dementia but I have to listen to the greasiest kid in the room try to teach the therapist what a “trap” is.

[@hellaradusername]

Went to a couple of the Project Chanology protests/meets in 09? and at one of them a guy in a Guy Fawkes mask asked what my band T-shirt was and I was like oh (band name) is a band. And he's like "oh, I don't listen to bands" and I'm like ok what are you into, like I was thinking maybe he's a rap guy or a techno guy but then he's like "they might be giants, barenaked ladies" and a group he had to explain was Japanese. I was like oh ok

[@Moocow2003]

so... Bands?

[@hellaradusername]

@@Moocow2003 pretty much, but I didn't want to get into semantics

[@ni7942]

Oh my god, I distinctly remember people talking about the 2014 raids. Even went to check the dark depths of my blog and, yep, even I reblogged a couple posts about it back in the day. Apparently the general consensus on it (at least in my neck of the woods) was that it was just sorta pathetic and funny. Like, people were joking about how 4chan planned to make Tumblr's tag system unusable when it already was (and, quite frankly, still is) a mess. Also I could've sworn that the 4chan x Tumblr ship came about during the 2014 raids??? Guess not???

[@Nikkidafox]

Tumblr: *Goes on 4chan to say "hey guys don't be so mean and be more inclusive" 4chan: *spams gore and cheese pizza* lol guys we trolled them tumblr landwhales!!!!

[@dimetime35c]

4chan never "spammed cheese pizza" they spam gore and nazi imagery.

[@AxlPatrol]

Yeah?

[@billieeyelash7015]

Get rekt tumblr whales.

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

Don't blame our gore on those other guys. We did gore. Triforceboards did the cheese 🍕, they're honeypot feds that work there. That was a raid, kills bug (ass) dead ™️. People went to prison over this meme war.

[@swifts6879]

Reddit: erm, this isn’t wholesome heckerino Chungus moment!!!

[@anisecandy3108]

Man... I'm glad I've only joined Tumblr in 2019... It's so paceful there now (or maybe my mutuals are all just people of utmost culture idk)

[@Swedishtrex]

I feel like the mainstream belief that tumblr is dead has really brought some peace to the site. Sure, you can still find the occasional insane post, but it's pretty chill nowadays.

[@cookingmama_]

thank u strange for once again gut punching me with the knowledge that important and stupid internet events i lived thru are 10 years old now

[@Untoldanimations]

it bothers me just how much of my and my friends’ personalities as teens were shaped by 4chan vs tumbler, the 2 genders. I was 4changender and, just like the 4chan /pol/ user trying to fake a tumbler attack, I would provoke my tumblergender friends by saying edgy stuff for no reason trying to start an argument I could win. We were so diametrically opposed, yet our personalities meshes so well together and we’re still good friends. At the end of the day we were both kids raised on the internet

[@krackycomix2998]

I had totally bought the 4chan narrative about this old internet legend, it’s cool to hear the full story cuz it really makes it apparent how much 4chan and tumblr mirror each other. The cringe and based exist on all sides

[@scrat9870]

I was sincerely hoping for this video to open immediately on you claming full responsibility for all of it like a supervillain, Vince McMahon style.

[@samicat93]

*I was there gandalf meme* literally I was there for all of this, fortunately I have never once followed a tag in my life so I was just seeing second and third hand reports of the goreposting, but my boyfriends in both years and several of their friends were channers (they were from the same friend group) and I remember getting really (quietly) upset with how funny they all thought it was. I also remember vague reports of a troll in 2014 pre-attack although I don't think I ever saw the post. we did (and do) love to argue, but "don't feed the trolls" was much more common advice at the time even if it was still frequently unheeded. I probably even reblogged a couple warnings once the attack started but I'm not gonna check lmao (actually I think one of the boyfriends even believed the narrative that tumblr started it, that was a whole argument. certainly several of the tangential friends did. they were not great guys and none of them talk to me anymore lol) also I think 4chan's reputation for hacktivism was mostly due to the association with the group Anonymous, who did originate on 4chan but were very much not the dominant group even by 2010 and certainly not by 2014. (the alt right had already started taking over by then, finding purchase in the reactionary edgelordiness of it all and especially on The Expected Boards. the one from 2010 assured me at one point that "oh he didn't go on b, only the video game and anime ones" so even among less loyal users it already had a Reputation.)

[@locutusdiborg88]

Anonymous were always a bunch of r[edacted] white knights that didn't count much on 4chan and their started their activist crusade only after 4chan raids were a thing

[@stoogel]

Memes on 4chan were always more than "impact text on image" (memegenerator). They were also different characters, ideas, or phrases that got reposted constantly. Also 4chan's hosting was always shaky and it "died" many times because it's tough to host a site with that sort of content.

[@Fenan_21]

And then all of this turned into the modern social media landscape... I was one of those 4chan weirdos, but I still had a tumblr, I spouted phobic rhetoric even though i was repressing therianthropic tendencies, In fact I blame 4chan primarily for me discovering my identity as a bisexual furry. This circus show is absolutely astounding...

[@alexeiachlys604]

my current bf and i were on opposite sides of the war back before we met and we are quite frankly devastated that this video is only 20 minutes long