The TRUTH about Tom Cruise: ex-scientologist Jon Atack reveals it all

Ex-scientologist Jon Atack reveals the truth about Tom Cruise, and exposes the cult of scientology, talking about everything from Tom Cruise and John Travolta to Mao Zedong, free will and the difference between religion and cult. Jon has been a speaker on scientology documentaries.
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[@MG-hz7wi]

A friend of mine went to a Scientology boarding school in the 1980s for about 1 year. In one class, she was told by the teacher that the aim of Scientology was to take over the world as quietly as possible. I was a kid at the time and I laughed but now it doesn't seem so funny

[@jupitersailing]

Hubbard's like a bloody James Bond villain.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

take over the world how exactly? by making people laugh at space aliens in DC-8s? xD

[@luvyatubers]

Same thing said in Tulsi Gabbards cult

[@hughjanus5336]

Muslins share the same documented goal. Infiltrate subtly, proliferate rapidly, usurp culturally. There are many historical and current ongoing examples.

[@barbaraderock2166]

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[@Lavender-blue80]

What a pleasure to listen to people who speak coherently and use correct grammar. They are few and far between these days

[@evaadams8298]

I was thing the same 😀

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@jupitersailing]

Absolutely Ros.

[@mae8861]

And he doesn't say "Like" every third word.

[@Lavender-blue80]

@@mae8861 or “basically, you know what I mean, baby mama” to add a few more.

[@SolaGratia.]

"Scientology is the outpouring of someone who has a psychological condition." - WOW. I believe that, 100%. I wonder how many charismatic cult leaders would fall into the same category.

[@ahomeforallanimals]

Cult leaders always have their class photo taken on the worst day and thats the one they have. They are charasmatic thats why people follow them. They are smart and get what they want. All they need is people who are lost and looking for somewhere to belong and thats it

[@brenda0823_]

Jim Jones

[@MrSoopah]

look at the stable genius

[@Loveoldies50]

Like Donald Trump!

[@SolaGratia.]

@@Loveoldies50 💯

[@deanedge5988]

I bought a house from Jon in about 1981. I havent seen him since but I can safely say that then he was one of the smartest, funniest and most palpably decent people I have ever met. A perfect illustration of quality of people drawn to the madness. I am so pleased that he has freed that fine intellect from the snares of a cult and used it for the public good. Though I do remeber on the day we were supposed to move in he hadnt quite struggled out of bed and we had to help him and his family pack. Its a tribute to his charm that we didnt mind a bit.

[@vickilawrence7207]

I didn't hear him explain the issue with sleeping late but I can relate to that. Me and my kids and grandkids are ppl in need of lots of sleep and I've always been a late sleeper causing issues bc the rest of the world is on a different schedule! 😂

[@mikeborgmann]

​@@vickilawrence7207it was within the first 60 seconds of the video

[@holly3905]

I’m 66 too, and have gotten crap about staying up too late and sleeping in too late for all of my adult life! Soooo much shame! I’m so glad now I have an excuse, and don’t have to beat myself up or put up with others calling me lazy! Thank you, thank you, thank you! ❤❤❤

[@Kathiebaxter]

I love to read comments by people who like to write. Beautifully told!

[@seeleeuk168]

Great to meet others who are 'night owls'. Something I've had since childhood too and spent all my baby raising days feeling jetlagged and struggling. After my kids had grown up people have often mocked me saying how lazy I am for waking up so late, or sleeping all day till I firmly put them in their place when I ask them certain questions. 1/ How many hours do you sleep?... Reply; oh, I need at least 8 to 9 hours. Me; well I sleep only 6 on average. 2/ What do you do with your spare time? Sit twiddling thumbs while watching tv? No hobbies?... Reply; yes, I watch TV and I don't have any hobbies.... Me; Well, I cannot sit twiddling my thumbs watching TV I have to be doing something at the same time, like knitting, crochet, sewing, painting (I'm a pro artist) crafting etc. So who's the lazy one now? Long, long ago we used to be the Night Watchers who took care of the Clan while they slept. 😎

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh that’s a great point about the night watchers. Never thought of that! Great to meet you, hope you spend many evenings watching this channel now!! (While also doing your hobbies!)

[@seeleeuk168]

@@AndrewGold1 Thank you! I'm currently knitting a full layette for a baby doll to sell LOL. Enjoying your videos very much!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@seeleeuk168 Oh lovely! Thanks !

[@indiamitchell9833]

There’s a whole other world that works at night and sleeps during the day. I’ve always tried to work at nights. But my in-laws used to call early in the morning and call us lazy and say we were “sleeping the day away.” We started calling them at 3:00am and say “why are you asleep? We just got home from work!”

[@seeleeuk168]

@@indiamitchell9833 LOL Good one! I used to get called lazy too so I used to ask how many hours did they sleep. The usual reply was 'oh I need a good 9 hours' then I would say 'well, I only sleep 6, now who's the lazy one?' Then I would ask what they made that day in their spare time while watching TV for eg; 'Nothing' was the reply. 'I cannot sit and just twiddle my thumbs while watching TV I have to be knitting, sewing, crochet, craft or paint a picture. So, who is the lazy one here?' .... Nuff said LOL!

[@frankhyde484]

This lifetime of experience that Jon Atack has been able to use amazes me, answers questions and makes me question belief even more. Thank you. Each day there is so much to learn.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Frank - I couldn't believe how much he knows either ! Hope you stick around on this channel, love chatting to positive people like you.

[@eloise22422]

@@AndrewGold1excellent show! I really loved your guest. Wow what an intelligent man! Thanks Andrew.

[@lindaolsen7089]

"Scientology is the outpouring of somebody who has a psychiatric condition". So perfectly stated, Jon Atack. And scientology invites all to go down the rabbit hole and donate, donate, donate and fundraise, fundraise, fundraise. So the able become more able.

[@mattball3118]

Brilliant guest. I've seen a few interviews with former scientologist but this is the best so far. Jon has great understanding and insight into the cult 'programming'

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Matt! Love that you're going through these, and still enjoying them. Totally agree, Jon is so smart and different!

[@sunshinemagicalrainbowunic4004]

Wonderful

[@ChristinaChrisR]

Absolutely agree, very special, knowledgeable, and funny man!

[@erciliaflores]

Jon seems like the sweetest man, too, along with very knowledgeable and interesting. Glad he got out of the cult

[@jbuggy21]

I was in high school in the early 80s and I remember getting a tutoring session from my Algebra 2 teacher. I don't remember what got us to that point in the conversation, but I made a wisecrack about Dyanetics while working a problem at the chalkboard. He proceeded to tell me that he actually went to college with L. Ron Hubbard and that he was a real crackpot even back then. He said Hubbard was trying to convince other students that they could walk through walls and other mystical stuff.

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha. No way !! Fascinating

[@merricat3025]

Wow

[@vickilawrence7207]

From the get go! Anyone that would believe this shit is seriously needing some help & they get trapped in this web..LRH certainly did his research on how to keep the wolves from the door tho. Ill give him that! But it absolutely blows my mind that so many intelligent ppl will follow along like sheep & never look up to see where they're going until it's too late. They become so defensive & angry when questioned..ie, kirsty alley..she goes to code red when asked a question & is so pissy it's ridiculous.

[@keikurooka5105]

😂😂really crackpot. My late father told us about Hubbard and his belief but esp his con religion before there was Tom Cruise

[@mattkaustickomments]

They are no longer getting many new people at all. It is the second and third generation people that have grown up knowing nothing else that continue to follow the gibberish. I feel really sorry for them and wish they would sue their parents for child abuse.

[@fay5479]

My ex is a malignant narcissist... spot on description, thank you!!! Sadly I took him to court, 5 mobiles full of threats, witness, lost 16 kilos in 3 weeks...and I lost. I was the 4th woman to take him to court, there has been another 4 or 5 since over 10 years...zero justice.

[@martina5296]

That's the only true way to describe a narcissist. 'Malignant narcissist' Malignant narcissists are pros at manipulating and deceiving others, even intelligent people. The ones who get fooled by them, not all, oblivious and don't ever question them. Even if they were asked questions the answers would be gibberish and nonsensical and many people don't realize their questions haven't been answered.

[@fay5479]

@@martina5296 they groom the whole community, not just the victim...

[@Roses-lilac]

The only way to deal with a narcissist is zero contact. Difficult I know but the only thing that has a chance of working.

[@Squeakslacombe]

I've seen so many video's about narcissism, I start to realize how much of a narc my ex was

[@L.K.Rydens]

Thank you for speaking about what happened to mentally ill and disabled people, it's not talked about enough ❤️

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

And the homosexuals.

[@liseklerekoper2441]

Excellent interview!!! I had never heard of Jon Attack but am so glad I do now. What a brilliant, personable & engaging man.

[@SolaGratia.]

I love Jon Atack. I found him quite recently, but I could listen to both of you talk all night long. You both have fantastic voices.

[@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432]

I was diagnosed with delayed sleep phase syndrome from sleep studies. I have definitely had this from childhood and was labelled and lazy when I struggled to get up early. I always feel more awake and cognitively alert later in the day.

[@donnamorgan-jt5ts]

I’m at my best in the wee hours-I find staying up all night much easier than waking early if I have an early appt.

[@76blackwidow]

Thank you Jon Atack, what a sharp gentleman! 💜

[@AndrewGold1]

Absolutely, I loved interviewing him. Hope you enjoyed, and get a chance to keep watching and commenting on videos on my channel :)

[@76blackwidow]

@@AndrewGold1 oh yeah, great interview. Enjoyed your appearance with Shaun Attwood and Chris Williamson too. Wish you all the best, great work!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@76blackwidow Oh thank you so much! I've been on a bit of a promotion push, going on all these podcasts. Great guys, Shaun and Chris, I really enjoyed doing them!

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Leave it to New Jersey to be the place Scientology got started. But at least we had the guts to take it to court! I definitely can see where he’s coming from about being subjective as opposed to objective. This was a really good one again, Andrew. You keep hitting them out of the park.⚾️🙋🏻‍♀️

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Maryann! Glad you enjoyed it again. And yes, back to basics, with the beliefs theme. I did a lot of ex-cults and religions very early on, as you know, and it's nice to return to those. Speaking to Chris Shelton from Scientology tomorrow, so that'll be fun too!

[@jonatack7693]

The Garden State that planted Scientology and then realized it was a weed...

[@AndrewGold1]

@@jonatack7693 Haha exactly. Though I'd love to visit some day.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

@@AndrewGold1 we’ve got great beaches, pizza, not to mention funnel cake & Zeppoli‘s. 🏊🏻‍♂️🍕😋

[@AndrewGold1]

@@maryannlockwood7806 I can't wait!

[@sonjab6127]

I like listening to Jon Atack. He has such a library of knowledge - mostly from his extesnsive personal research but also his experience while he was a Scientologist. And he is a good speaker - clear and logical. I hope you can have him back again.

[@layaclode6363]

Thank you so much for sharing the concept of eveningness. I too have experienced this all my life (I’m 61) along with the subtle or not so subtle almost moralistic injunctions against being a night owl. The period 10 pm to 3 or 4 am is like heaven to me. The rest of the world is asleep! The frenzy of daily materialistic life has died down; the air is clear and still; and you know you’re not going to be disturbed. That’s the time that I can dive deeply into my mental/spiritual work without feeling drained. it’s so good to know that there’s an acceptable diagnosis that goes along with us now! Thank you from Aus 🇦🇺 Love you guys! 🥰

[@karenk2409]

I completely understand your love for those hours of peace! I get mine from 4am to 7, but it's the same phenomenon. My favorite time of day.

[@waynetaylor7838]

Super deep conversation. This is part the best of what the internet has to offer! 👏🏽

[@AndrewGold1]

aw thanks wayne!

[@petercarroll3977]

L Ron Hubbard went to the cupboard to fetch his meds. But when he got there the cupboard was bare and Ron decided to write a book instead

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha thanks Peter

[@Elizabethselby777]

Love the way you interview. You delve pretty deep but manage to stay fairly neutral and always respectful. You don't mock people and it seems like you're always genuinely interested

[@AndrewGold1]

I appreciate that, thank you Lilith!

[@EmbraceTerror]

I have a soft spot in my heart for Atack. This is the first time I've heard him talk explicitly about emotions as the entry point (my words) for being hooked. Glad to hear his advancement --.he's almost there. Being hooked by scammers has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with emotions -- ways we are NOT taught how to connect with and understand our emotions that scammers of any type use against us.

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@beatrizweck6457]

yep!!

[@TuberRose333]

Tom Atack appears to be shy. But what a fierce and articulate intellect!! I learned a lot from this interview. Thank you both.

[@Carissa99Xo]

I don't get the reference to satanism, could he elaborate what he meant?

[@dluelmo]

My parents were on one of the ships (sea or members) and Dad said one of the punishments was keehauling. Rope tied around the feet and not only pushed into the water, but actually swung under the boat.

[@AndrewGold1]

Wow thank you for sharing that Dea. That's awful!

[@tillymay8271]

So tom cruise did they make him do that

[@golddragonette7795]

That's insanely dangerous!

[@janetcoombes8483]

No wonder Tom Cruise never disobeys them and keeps on grinning !

[@Dani-Ami]

Tom Cruise can do whatever the hell he likes in Scientology!

[@AndrewGold1]

Do you agree with Jon's thoughts about belief and scientology? Comment below to let me know.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Yeah to a certain extent I definitely do. I mean I’ve seen people go gaga over certain political figures, I’m sure I don’t have to name him. But it’s not just him I mean look at political figures of the past and what people did because of what they said. Although sometimes I think that those atrocities were committed not only on behalf of the person who probably felt that way in the first place and felt that was a excuse for them to act upon it.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@maryannlockwood7806 As usual, you've summed it up perfectly Maryann. Amazing how belief works.

[@karineroumache9124]

I certainly do. I wouldn't be that severe about critical thinking, though. It doesn't make you immune, for sure but he could have gone further down the rabbit hole without what it. Also I find very interesting what he says about weaponnized empaths.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

@@karineroumache9124 it is scary that anyone can be taken in. I was raised a JW & although I’m not college educated there are so many people smarter than me that have been taken advantage of. 💁🏻‍♀️

[@AndrewGold1]

@@karineroumache9124 Ah yes, weaponized empaths is a really intriguing concept! By the way, just checking - are you able to access the bonus interviews in your KZbin Membership, Karine? I'm not sure how it works for you - I am uploading those bonus videos for members like you, so want to make sure you can find them.

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

"Eveningness." I like it. It sounds so much better than just calling myself an insomniac. I was that way since early childhood, in the 60's. And you're right about the stigma. People just assume that we're lazy. That has always been my natural pattern, but then to make it worse; in the 80's, i was newly divorced with two preschoolers. I lived in a rough neighborhood. Peeping toms, burglars, (one time the dog started barking @3:00 a.m.. The next day i found my kids' bedroom window partially pried off, and a crowbar on the ground), so it didn't feel safe to go to sleep until it got light out. I felt as if i had to "stand guard" all night. Then i would get up, take the kids to daycare, then crash.

[@layaclode6363]

That must’ve been such a difficult time for you. In a way it was probably a blessing that you have eveningness and were able to stay awake through the night to ensure the safety of your family. Kudos to you! Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

@@layaclode6363 Thank you. 💕

[@katengemann]

Thank you for trying to educate people from these kinds of cults.

[@DebraJean196]

I’ve always called it vampirism myself, but I love your hours Jon! Been living themselves as often as possible, and always now that I’m retired!

[@TruthSeekingElf]

I got in because they had a billboard outside the org stating ´´Think for Yourself´´ which I loved as I was always anti establishment. I wanted to help the planet as an empath... six years later I had lost my soul and my sanity. I saw them turn beautiful people into psychopaths in the end. It was horrific. The warning signs were there but the love bombing overroad that particularly as I had had a very unstable and abusive childhood. Excellent interview thank you both.

[@lovestodesign]

They advertise “think for yourself “and when you join, they spend the next few years brainwashing you to think exactly like them! Thankfully there are some that don’t fall for it and actually manage to escape, but usually only after several unsuccessful attempts. They even make members sign that BILLION year contract, because Hubbard believed in reincarnation.

[@cindiwindi]

I have had this exact sleep gene and slumber time my whole life, which made me a highly tired child but I was never able to break it, every job I have had follows my natural sleep schedule thank goodness. I got it from my dad, who has been on 4 to noon his entire life as well. So cool that there are others 🙌

[@AndrewGold1]

Interesting, thanks Cindi!!

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@gretchenbaker7435]

What an absolute treat listening to the actual historical past of the cult with the interesting anecdotes. Should be an inspiration to all night owls ! Fascinating and informative

[@AndrewGold1]

ah thanks Gretchen, Jon's amazing. Got more on scientology, lots more coming up

[@ukwhitewitch]

I'm so glad I found your channel.....so many fascinating episodes to watch, can't wait to start! I love your style, letting your guest actually talk and explore an idea.... So many interviews are really just the intervewer taking centre stage and not allowing their guests to speak, but you don't do that. I've just subscribed and wish I'd found your channel earlier!

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh thank you so much!! Glad to hear it. And don’t worry about finding it late because now you have so much to binge!!

[@randipearson4930]

I could listen to this guy all day !! He’s so intelligent!! He should be a college professor!! 👍

[@beatrizweck6457]

me too!!

[@DowntownTasty]

I’m the same with the late rising. My mom would ALWAYS demand that I “need to be on a schedule and wake up by 6am” when in reality I AM on a schedule just not on HER schedule. She’d demand this even when I was an adult who worked evenings lol

[@AndrewGold1]

we're all on different times!

[@MichaelYoder1961]

Great interview! Jon is a wealth of knowledge and lived experience. I follow his channel and he has a lot of great videos and interviews that dive into "cult think" and how people get involved as well as other subjects around coercive control. Thanks Jon and Andrew!

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you Michael! He’s brilliant

[@lindaolsen7089]

Stimulating and fun interview. Great chemistry with the two of you. Thanks, Andrew and Jon.

[@AndrewGold1]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@southernborn1358]

My husband, who was one of the most well-read, intuitively smart people I’ve ever had the blessing of encountering, told me essentially this: L. Ron Hubbard was somehow in the company of 3 or 4 very driven, smart men, maybe playing cards or something-but that essentially, Hubbard made a bet that he could, in short order, create a religion that would have a huge draw of members and thus make himself rich-then, he wrote Dianetics, created Scientology, and won the bet. I may not be repeating exactly what he said, but that was the gist. Have you ever heard this?

[@lizlanman47]

They were all writers

[@normastone1044]

Yes, I was told by a coworker back in the '90's that L. Ron Hubbard made a bet that he could create his own religion.

[@luvyatubers]

There are many eager ignorant people searching for something new... who willingly give their selves away to the bs. Hubbard new that

[@lovestodesign]

He actually got the idea from Alister Crowley, an atheist man who was called the most evil man alive, by even relatives that knew him. He said the best way to get rich quickly was to create a FALSE religion. So the actual IDEA for Scientology originated with Crowley from years before, even though it’s Hubbard that did the work.

[@southernborn1358]

@@lovestodesign that makes sense. I couldn’t remember the whole story, but thought it was interesting to share. Thanks for providing the missing pieces of the story my husband told me a few years ago.😺

[@mattkaustickomments]

I have a circadian rhythm that is off with the rest of the world. It’s really frustrating. Was perfect for when I was in college, playing in a band and able to schedule my classes to not start before 11:00am! My current employer allows me to start at 9:00am, and that’s still a struggle.

[@debbieklahn1263]

Yesterday, I found your podcast through your interview on Profiling Evil. Loving your various topics and what an insightful conversation with Jon Atack! I am a follower of Jesus(not considering myself religious) but have experienced many of same tactics of attacks when asking the hard questions to people in churches with walls. In any kind of group there can be the same unhealthy elements of emotional following, rejection or attacks when you disagree with the group. Confirmation bias is alive and thriving everywhere and most of us don't recognize when it is occurring.

[@AndrewGold1]

Debbie what a pleasure to hear/read from you! I'm so glad you came over from Mike's channel, he's the best. And I'm glad you can relate to this stuff and are able to see it when it's there!! Hope you keep enjoying :)

[@debbieklahn1263]

@@AndrewGold1 Mike is awesome and very kind! I love that you can have diverse conversations and still show respect to those with differing beliefs. You interview with very different angles which I find refreshing! Looking forward to listening to your other podcasts!

[@southernborn1358]

You simply cannot reason with an unreasonable person. It’s literally impossible.

[@lesliewells1062]

I'm a total night owl and it does bug me that people think I'm lazy because of it, even though it sometimes does interfere with what I need or want to do with other people. Thanks for another really great video. Jon Atack is such an interesting intelligent, well spoken man, I love hearing the two of you talk! It's like getting to eavesdrop on two well spoken, smart guys talking to each other with respect, while they talk about about subjects I'm very interested in! Thank you!

[@evaadams8298]

You’re not lazy, just have different sleep patterns. Thank goodness we are all different 😀👍

[@lesliewells1062]

@@evaadams8298 Thank you! Wouldn't it be nice if everyone thought it was a good thing for people to be different instead of trying to cram us all into the same cookie cutter?

[@mrmeerkat1096]

@@lesliewells1062 I'm the same and people think I'm a loser for it. Ive even now got a job where I finish at 1am and I go to bed around 4 in the morning. Its not a choice i just can't sleep until that time.

[@lesliewells1062]

@@mrmeerkat1096 Isn't it frustrating how people judge people based what hours they sleep? It's ridiculous! It makes sense that you can't go to sleep until 3 hours after you get home. People have to wind down and relax a while. Who is busy for hours and then drives home, takes off their clothes, gets in bed and is asleep in 10 minutes? No one!! That not the human body works! We all have to wind down before we go to bed. I'm sorry people are giving you a hard time about it--that is so unfair!!

[@mrmeerkat1096]

@@lesliewells1062 not only that in my job which is working at pop concerts and nightclubs and any bar that stays open late, the atmosphere and music and just the big crowds give you a adrenaline rush, so its hard to wind down from that when you get home. Then I have to shower have something to eat, prepare my uniform for the next day and do it all again. So on my days off when I sleep late people shouldn't think I'm lazy. Thanks.

[@TWANOOTWANII]

at 11:55, Atack counts Modi amongst the pathetic, little, tyrannical dictators along with L Ron Hubbard and that itself is worth the life time price of my internet subscription. Thank you Jon Atack, we love you.

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha fantastic. I do hope you'll stick around on the channel Anish!

[@1gypsy731]

Much respect to Andrew Gold. Thank you for your amazing education. I could listen to you for hours.

[@AndrewGold1]

Wow, thank you

[@JessicaC.]

I grew up in Clearwater, Florida. In High School we used to buy cartons of eggs then drive by the church in Downtown Clearwater and Chuck the eggs out the window @ the Scientologists walking around. Because they walk everywhere 😊 We felt we were truly doing the lord's work. I pray 🙏 teenagers are still committing drive-by eggings. I encourage it. Just don't get caught! In my day, there were no Cell phones.

[@fay5479]

Super interesting interview!!! Thank you x Transparency and flow is the answer, no one person or regime has it. Obedience has been our biggest murderer, not terrorism!!!

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Fay!

[@thomasgoff4700]

Oh great job on all of the information you bring forth! Tyty

[@nickypiccallo]

Fair play to you Jon Atack for your honesty, humility and kindness for spreading the truth regarding this (one of many) radicalising extremist religions. I actually called a number on a leaflet from the Jehovah’s Witnesses posted through my letterbox instead of popping it straight in to recycle. The 75+ yr man was a lovely person who grew his own organic vegetables, cared deeply for preservation of plants, trees, local wildlife, bee’s demise and the impact there of. So I asked him why women are never treated equally nor given positions in decision making let alone even allowed a voice, always only men at the top ( I think there are just seven men who control the whole show?). Then also asked why, if I as a female was made in their God’s image how is it God is always depicted as a male? He had no answers to these questions and said he’d have to get back to me. A few weeks hence I received a letter in the post which just quoted/promoted preaching verses from their version of their ‘Bible’ with no reference to my questions and no phone call from that lovely man I rang. Talk about avoidance!! During my initial and only call to this dear older J.W guy, I asked why @ such a late stage in his life he had ‘converted’ he (reading between the lines) hinted he was lonely, loved the community feel + being a part of folk who cared. Mmmm….. 🤔 cults seizing vulnerable empathetic folk with a generous + gentle nature for the greater “bad” ? Plus him having no family are they targeting his will + property when he dies? Sure have targeted his ‘will’ to hold on to an enquiring mind? ❤🇬🇧

[@Thunderpuddle]

This such a great interview, such insight and honesty.

[@ylvajonsson8707]

This: "They recruit emphats, and then weaponise them". So true.

[@AndrewGold1]

yep! love jon

[@indiamitchell9833]

Empaths you mean?

[@donnamorgan2522]

John mentioned Scott Morrison-his first action as Australian PM was grant his Church $250,000

[@AcuPunk]

What a fanfreakintastic discussion!! I love the discourse towards the end. I hope that these topics are more easily discussed in our culture moving forward… comedians are having to be brave for all of us by breaching the subjects and breaking the silence!

[@DawnSuttonfabfour]

Late to the party but this was a very interesting, well put together discussion. Thank you both.

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah thank you Dawn, hope you enjoy the channel!

[@Katy-ys6rn]

He is absolutely enthralling and lovely to listen to.

[@conemadam]

Jon Atack is brillliant. I had never heard of him before.

[@donnariahi2975]

I used to say I live on vampire hours- go to sleep between 4 or 5 sleep until noon, was always was my best. Finally found a Doctor who not only believes me but wants to work with me. Apparently I have a skewed Circadian rhythm, but whose to say my rhythm is wrong.

[@wonderwoman5528]

Another excellent interview as always

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks for listening!

[@hansjuker8296]

I love how Jon talks and animates. His facial expressions and his speech. Fascinating to see.

[@karentranter7806]

Hi Andrew ♥ What a great interview. I've reciently subscribed to your channel and I'm catching up on all your interviews. I really love your channel. Thank you Andrew ♥ for all your hard work. Brilliant xxx 💝

[@ThePetWellnessCoach]

Came over from A Psych for Sore Minds

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh fantastic thank you! I just spent the day with dr Das in London. Fast becoming good friends :)

[@ThePetWellnessCoach]

@@AndrewGold1 That's great! You both seem like good men who deserve good friends 🙂.

[@Loveoldies50]

Wow! Me, too! I'm up late and sleep late. I HATED my alarm. I always said that the first thing I’d do when I retired was to take a hammer to my alarm! As for dyslexia, I can understand why Tom felt so inferior. In those days they had nothing that would help kids in normal schools to overcome it. As a teacher I had a child with severe dyslexia. I spoke to his parents about it. The only option I could say to them was to have him watch a lot of PBS. Nova, Frontline, science programs of any kind, etc. He liked to talk about science. When we talked about science in class he understood everything I was saying. He just couldn't read it in a book. Luckily, I didn't use the book much. I used hands on whenever I could. I’ve always wondered how he turned out. Then my cousin's son was diagnosed with dyslexia. She was like a pitbull. She made sure that he got every help that was available to him. and what the school did not provide for him she provided for him. He’s doing great as an adult. But, with Tom, unfortunately, his dyslexia turned into an inferiority complex. Scientology and acting gave him a superiority complex. He chose superiority, for which you can’t really blame him. The problem is he’s now an egotistical jerk, thinking he knows everything about everything.

[@purpledeb100]

Stumbled across this discussion today , very interesting , great conversation ! 👌

[@AndrewGold1]

Awesome, thank you!

[@pamelaself1298]

Such a well spoken knowledgeable person. Thanks Andrew & good job interviewing him. Pamela from Texas

[@avalonmist254]

Just found your channel and I have so enjoyed binge watching videos!🌠

[@AndrewGold1]

ah thank you so much avalon! hope to see you in these comments quite often :D

[@nerdyali4154]

I really wish Jon Atack would stop with this misunderstanding of epigenetics Genes don't mutate epigenetically, epigenetics only changes the expression of genes. Epigenetics cannot express a trait in a way that isn't coded for in the gene, it is basically selecting from pre-evolved ways of expressing genes. Dawkins selfish gene model is not contradicted at all by epigenetics. Both Shelton and Atack trash mainstream evolutionary theory without seeming to have a proper understanding of it.

[@AndrewGold1]

This is the problem with having a host who doesn't know very much - this is way above my station! So I shall have to take your word for it! I hope you enjoyed the episode/series anyway :)

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

@@AndrewGold1 No Andrew, that's what partly makes you a great host.. You don't make out you know about thing's you really don't, so you're more impartial until the facts are in.. 👍

[@AndrewGold1]

@@stiofanofirghil1916 aw thank you!!

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

@@AndrewGold1 You're very welcome Andrew.. 👍

[@shayekisitu]

Night owl here too. I stay awake from 1:00pm to 5:00am the next morning and then sleep from 5:00am to 1:00pm. I have never been an early morning riser then work all day until 5:00pm or 6:00pm. My energy is completely off during those daytime hours. I literally struggle to keep my eyes open and struggle to even concentrate. It’s nice to know that there are many others who also have my same sleep pattern.

[@AnoukEss754]

Every time I hear about Scientology and the push to spend more money reminds me of when I did Landmark Forum. They harass you so much to bring people on and sign up for more course. The courses aren’t as $$$$ as Scientology but still they are on average $550-900 a pop. I found out later that there are definite links between the two. I did 5 courses of the Landmark Forum, kept being told I wasn’t coachable bc I didn’t sign up for more courses or bring people along. Plus they want people to work & crew for free at the centre. I got really worn out. After 4 years of trying my best, I was done!! They are also definitely cult-like.

[@lucretia3606]

Excellent program. Recently started watching you and I am so impressed. Starting to go through your whole catalog.

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah thank you ! Hope you keep enjoying

[@nomansland4811]

TC does absolutely nothing for himself. Assistants, chefs, valets, security, bodyguards etc. etc. they do literally everything. They’ve built buildings for him, installed security systems you name it. I’m not sure he even wipes his own ass.

[@iancampbell8697]

My typical sleep pattern is from 4am to Noon, and the pattern started due to Spinal Stenosis and Sciatica. I'm now 71 and this started over ten years ago. Being self-employed and single makes this schedule easier, and I've decided to just live with it.

[@annaponting7693]

Am so annoyed with Scientology's irritating names of entities. Poor writing as far as I am concerned,

[@Tina-rx9im]

I march Jon on anything about Scientology he knows everything about this subject and many more

[@Tina-rx9im]

Watch

[@AndrewGold1]

@@Tina-rx9im He is so good isn't he ! I hope you enjoy the rest of the channel - do sub, like and share :) There's a good episode with chris shelton too.

[@Tina-rx9im]

I will do I watch Chris too

[@kayetompsett1887]

I realize I've come a year late to this interview but what a brilliant interview! I found the roll of conversation between you and Jon very easy to listen to. For the record (or not) I am a night owl too. I find I have my most interesting thoughts and am most productive between the hours of 11: p.m. and 3:00 a.m. Although I love to be awake during these hours it can work against me sometimes. I am a teacher and trying to cover a yawn can be difficult at times. My students miss NOTHING lol! I wake naturally around 6:00 each morning so I guess this makes me an early bird too 😳😵‍💫😴 Come to think of it, I think I need to find a way to get more sleep. Regardless...(I do tend to waffle on sometimes lol)!, I will always be a night owl. The easiness of what your interview with Jon seemed, made me want to listen to more. I wanted it to continue for a bit longer. Very fascinating and educational. I'm looking forward to catching up with your content. Blessings.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you !! I should be asleep now !

[@kayetompsett1887]

@@AndrewGold1 Ha!

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@jacquiehosey1029]

I love your gentle but effective interview style. Will def check out more of your videos!

[@kellyatkinson8105]

The best interview related to Scientology I’ve seen. He is so articulate and the questions were well thought out. Well done Andrew Gold!

[@karineroumache9124]

Late riser here, too. And yes, I need fewer hours of sleep when I go with my own sleep pattern :) But yes, there is that stigma and I've spent half of my life trying to hide it or to fix it (and sometimes I will say "I do not materialize in the morning. I just don't exist at that time of the day" )

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah you're one of us! The dark side (literally!)

[@karineroumache9124]

@@AndrewGold1 absolutely. Join us, we have cookies 😁

[@jonatack7693]

It is surprising how little public awareness there is of 'eveningness' (as it is now being labelled). It is also surprising how embarrassed many sufferers are, because they don't realize that it is genetic - the PER3 gene and the CRY1 gene have both been recognized - the team that discovered the PER (or 'periodicity')3 gene were awarded the Nobel in 1986, if memory serves me well.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@jonatack7693 Well there you go! If only my girlfriend watched/listened to the podcast, I'd be better understood!

[@karineroumache9124]

@@AndrewGold1 why wouldn't she ? Sorry, maybe it's too personal ?

[@cdd4248]

Brilliant Podcast...Just found this channel and really love your style of interview!

[@AndrewGold1]

ah thank you CD! see you in the comments!

[@moonchildpink5525]

Hello, new subscriber! My husband & I r now retired & both "night owls" & wake up around noon also. For years 6 a.m. the alarm went off & our busy days started; happy to say those days rr far & few between now a days! Thanks for sharing, interesting & informative guest. 😊

[@simpletruth3372]

great interview and thank you to Jon Atack for making it so easy to understand this subject...

[@kathyotoole4608]

Just finding these videos and loving them! And my family are night owls as well!!

[@friskjidjidoglu7415]

On the part about “smart” people falling for things, I think that there are a few important things to note. And the first is that being educated or learned, doesn’t mean that one is smart, but rather just knows a lot of facts. And the second is that-I think that it’d be fair to say- that smartness is more about how well one is able to apply and think about information. But I do think that truly smart people are able to fall for things jsut like that rest of us, because they’re still people at the end of the day.

[@TSSuppository]

Finally catching up on some of these past videos (it's always nice to find a channel that has plenty of content for you to catch up on!) - this was yet another superb interview. There aren't many good interviewers anymore - they always want to interrupt and stick their oar in (I miss the days of Wogan and Parkinson, who knew how to steer a conversation without trampling over their guest) - but Mr Gold is certainly one of them, questioning, reacting, interjecting and conversing, but never talking over, always giving the guest the chance to speak (and isn't that exactly why we invite them on in the first place?!). I have heard of Mr Atack, but this is the first time I have seen him interviewed, and a realisation came over me - it is fascinating to me that every one of these ex-Scientologists is a compelling and entertaining speaker! Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing Scientology AT ALL, but ex-Scientologists seem to make excellent speakers - Mr Atack, Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, Aaron Smith-Levin, Doug Scott Kramer, Chris Shelton - I could listen to them for hours! It helps that they're generally talking Scientology, a subject that I find deeply intriguing and deeply horrifying in pretty much equal measure, but even when they venture into other topics they are just a joy to listen to. I wonder if this ability has anything to do with Scientology's practices, or if it is indicative of the type of people who join Scientology, or (perhaps more likely) indicative of the kind of people who LEAVE Scientology...? I suppose it's just another one of those nebulous questions that have equally nebulous answers! Anyway, thanks to Mr Gold and Mr Atack for this interview - an absolute pleasure to listen to you both! xx

[@AndrewGold1]

What a beautiful thing for me to read as I check through these at 2am. Thank you!!

[@IndigoRose-]

I love the way Jon discuss things, very intelligent, knowledgable, and interesting to listen to. A fantastic guest, very happy he has left and living a happy life now.

[@diane4488]

Just as you say, critical thinking is often subjective, though the premise of it, is that it is completely neutral. Jehovah Witnesses believe they have been taught to 'think critically' - but when you look at the 'facts' they present, they dissolve into nonsense. In fact they just repeat what they are told.

[@heatherstephens9295]

I so enjoyed this - thank you 🙏

[@AndrewGold1]

aww thank YOU for watching and commenting

[@Epsilon1Zeta]

Excellent and thought provoking interview!

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks !

[@xxx...pyxidis]

Thank you both very much - your work is so important. Much power to you.

[@AndrewGold1]

Much appreciated!

[@AA-lq5pu]

Very knowledgeable guest! A breath of fresh air. Thank you for letting him talk!

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you!! Glad your enjoyed

[@maschamulder2640]

45.16: "when you start believing absurdities you will be willing to commit autrocities...." is a very important quote which regretably enough is again totally appropriate for these present days ( with excuse for probably misspelling some words, I'm not english 😊)

[@Darrylizer1]

I've only just discovered both of your channels, subscribed.

[@IndigoRose-]

Same here, they are both amazing!

[@RandalTurnerMKULTRA]

I use to write music for a lot of high profile pop stars and rock stars, I would sleep 4 hours then wake up and work in the Corporate world and Movie industry during the day and sleep 4 hours then wake and back to music. I slept 8 hours a day but split the sleep into two sectors to allow me to work in both industries two jobs. I would sleep through the busy portion of the day 3-7 or 4-8 and miss all the rush hour traffic and noise :-)

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah I know that feeling. We sleep differently. Do you sleep normally now Randal?

[@barbaraseidel4342]

I think, there are links between Mrs. Blavatsky & Oscar Wilde: 1.O.W. 2- nd son Vyvyan 2-nd wife, was Thelma Besant ,great-grandniece of Anie Besant 2.Constance Wilde, she was a member of Madame Blavatsky's Inner Group & a "dear friend" to Annie Besant. 3. George Bernard Shaw

[@AndrewGold1]

Interesting thank you !

[@barbaraseidel4342]

@@AndrewGold1 : Thank you! Greetings from Vienna

[@psingerman4778]

When there wasn't artificial lighting, hard workers had to get up early to put in enough hours. The Sleep Police haven't figured out that we can work from four to midnight, or midnight to 8 A.M.

[@JWuntoldtruthAustralia]

Great interview. I like what u guys said, once u get a set of values or beliefs those beliefs will own you.

[@AndrewGold1]

Absolutely! Thanks for watching and commenting

[@helpdesk8691]

Big fan of Johns. spent years watching his channel. Another cracking interview - onto the next !! Bring them down !! TeeRob DownUnderSA

[@AndrewGold1]

thank you!

[@Rachelschmachel]

Oh Andrew … The sleepless issue right here 👋🏻 I’m 63 , I have it , my son has it . Yay to us !!! 😊

[@painmt651]

This is a great discussion.

[@donaldsimons6055]

The word Aryan has roots in world that Iranians called themselves by Aryia, meaning free, noble and steady. The word Iran is derived from this very root, having been transformed from Aryan to Iran, meaning the land of the Aryans. .

[@AndrewGold1]

Really interesting, thanks Donald!

[@D4n1t0o]

32:50 is the Tom Cruise bit. Title's a bit clickbaity, he's hardly mentioned.

[@AndrewGold1]

I did put out a new slightly longer bit on Tom Cruise from Chris Shelton, have you seen that? It is a bit clickbaity but I feel like I stayed on the right side of that. At the end of the day, I have to put something in the title...and if I just put 'Jon Atack discusses Scientology', then about 10 people would see it.

[@D4n1t0o]

@@AndrewGold1 Hey, it worked on me. I clicked because of it and ended up watching the whole thing, even subscribing because of the quality of the interview. My initial comment was just an expression of slight annoyance at feeling 'had' by the bait. I'm subscribed to Chris Shelton and have already heard his thoughts on Cruise, but thank you.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@D4n1t0o Yeh I think the person to blame is KZbin! They make it that way. I wish, wish, wish that it would show my video to people if it were just 'Chris Shelton on Scientology' or whatever. Thanks for subbing, hope to hear more from you soon !!

[@alyssainnes5439]

jon Atack I could listen to all day! thank you ! for the knowledge you shared! you are the Greatest!!