The Truth About Winston Churchill - Andrew Roberts

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Andrew Roberts is an English historian, journalist and member of the House of Lords. He is the Roger and Martha Mertz Visiting Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a Lehrman Institute Distinguished Lecturer at the New-York Historical Society. He is a New York Times bestselling author, having written dozens of books including biographies of Napoleon Bonaparte (2014) and Winston Churchill (2018) - available here: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241205638/
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00:00 Introduction
01:30 Churchill’s Birth & Early Life
06:07 The Values of a Victorian
10:20 How Successful Was Churchill in the Military?
16:25 Churchill During the First World War
24:29 Sponsor Message: Galaxy Projector
26:00 Did Churchill Believe Britain Was Becoming Weak?
30:56 Churchill’s Post-1918 Political Career
33:49 What Caused the Decline of the British Empire?
36:48 Churchill in the Early 1930s
43:07 Do We Remember Neville Chamberlain Unfairly?
52:21 How Close Britain Was to Defeat
54:22 Churchill’s Strength & Success in Government Roles
57:47 Sponsor Message: Factor
59:30 How Churchill Turned the Situation Around
1:04:22 America’s Involvement in the Conflict
1:11:00 Was Churchill Actually an Alcoholic?
1:15:57 The Moral Debates Going on During the War
1:19:57 When Did Britain Learn About Concentration Camps?
1:21:27 What Ended the Nazi Regime?
1:23:54 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo
1:25:10 Churchill’s Deal With Stalin
1:32:06 What Churchill Thought of Hitler
1:38:54 How Churchill’s Views Would be Seen Today
1:43:21 What Can We Learn From Winston Churchill?
1:46:02 Are There Parallels Between Then & Now?
1:50:05 How to Frame the Discussion Around the British Empire
1:53:02 How Did Churchill See Through the Nazis Before Anyone Else?

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JOIN our Locals community to hear *Andrew* answer audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Introduction 01:30 Churchill’s Birth & Early Life 06:07 The Values of a Victorian 10:20 How Successful Was Churchill in the Military? 16:25 Churchill During the First World War 24:29 Sponsor Message: Galaxy Projector 26:00 Did Churchill Believe Britain Was Becoming Weak? 30:56 Churchill’s Post-1918 Political Career 33:49 What Caused the Decline of the British Empire? 36:48 Churchill in the Early 1930s 43:07 Do We Remember Neville Chamberlain Unfairly? 52:21 How Close Britain Was to Defeat 54:22 Churchill’s Strength & Success in Government Roles 57:47 Sponsor Message: Factor 59:30 How Churchill Turned the Situation Around 1:04:22 America’s Involvement in the Conflict 1:11:00 Was Churchill Actually an Alcoholic? 1:15:57 The Moral Debates Going on During the War 1:19:57 When Did Britain Learn About Concentration Camps? 1:21:27 What Ended the Nazi Regime? 1:23:54 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo 1:25:10 Churchill’s Deal With Stalin 1:32:06 What Churchill Thought of Hitler 1:38:54 How Churchill’s Views Would be Seen Today 1:43:21 What Can We Learn From Winston Churchill? 1:46:02 Are There Parallels Between Then & Now? 1:50:05 How to Frame the Discussion Around the British Empire 1:53:02 How Did Churchill See Through the Nazis Before Anyone Else?

[@joshuataylor3550]

Still a racist though.

[@anthonyferris8912]

Everyone was..😁

[@iggyharl5780]

​@joshuataylor3550 and what did you acolmplish during your life?

[@anthonyferris8912]

@@iggyharl5780 He posted a comment on youtube..🤣

[@m2chan]

I had a question ,Churchill might foreseen the arab problems in the land of Israel, why he took the Solomon's wisdom to deal with ? the baby would be cut in two, each woman to receive half ? or ,it was T.E Lawrence idea ?

[@kurukulle5294]

Please can we have more interviews of this calibre? To hear a long form interview with an articulate expert is a rare treat. I felt nostalgic for my youth when BBC2 could be relied on to broadcast intelligent discussion like this. It says something about Britain today (and the BBC in particular) that we all have to use KZbin to hear civilised and well-evidenced discussion.

[@mrbaker7443]

BBC is incredibly dumbed down these days

[@tasticillumi6640]

Hallelujah. At Triggernometry we don’t pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. Andrew Roberts clearly is this. So refreshing to listen to. A welcome change.

[@davidanalyst671]

Andrew roberts is a member of parliament, so he can't say bad things about the war crimes of dresden. The allies literally bombed a city off the map. Just like Israel is doing to north gaza. And you know what? Andrew roberts gets money from Jewish donors, so he can't call Israel's dresden like war crimes against Gaza, war crimes. Andrew roberts lied to you about a historical fact because he gets donor money for his political campaign today.

[@mathieutyler8745]

Ross Greer is an expert on Churchill. This is rubbish and you aren't very intelligent.

[@RE-ec7iz]

I just don’t ever understand how people don’t like Churchill. It blows my mind.

[@sobrevalorado]

Dresden. India. Gallipoli

[@markmiller243]

@@sobrevalorado Men that take the risks necessary to achieve towering good things when they succeed, also tend to have magnificently horrendous failures. Virtually every man & woman that shaped the progress of humankind could be denigrated for having feet of clay.

[@mayflowerlash11]

This is an absolutely outstanding history lesson on WW2. Francis and Konstantin can take great pride in arranging this interview. I'm astonished and disappointed but not surprised by the observation that Britain's students are not educated about WW2. The benefits of living in the West are almost entirely dependant on the courage and bravery of the likes of Churchill and the ordinary Tommy soldier in the field. The younger generation should take a lesson in moral fortitude if they wish to continue to enjoy the benefits of life in the West.

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

Too late we've already given the West away. Democracy means the lowest denominator rules because they literally too stupid to know what's good for them and so are easily conned.

[@anomietoponymie2140]

Both my American grandfathers fought in France in WWI, my father and uncles fought in WWII. Yes, proud, proud of them.

[@autopsychograph]

Agreed

[@alanaadams7440]

His "Never Surrender " speech is arguably one of the greatest speech of all time

[@holdfast453]

He surrendered everything to America.

[@tomburroughes9834]

Exactly, although you don't need to say "arguably".

[@wolfu597]

The sad thing is that his "Never Surrender" speech was recorded at Chartwell in 1947, and not in the House. However, the words are the same ones he used in his speech in late May 1940.

[@davidbrims5825]

And no one heard it because the House of Commons didn’t allow microphones.

[@maninabush8449]

I prefer joseph goebbels speech on the channel "time unveiled"

[@alexandrialeonora6542]

Applause for Andrew Roberts! The knowledge he was able to convey so eloquently and in a way that kept me enthralled this entire video! I’d love to hear him speak more on history, not only about the tremendously interesting figure Winston Churchill. Thank you for this fantastic guest! 👏👏👏

[@autopsychograph]

I could hear him speak all day. What a treat!

[@sarahamorris1480]

So lovely to be hearing an interesting and positive account of this nation’s history and Churchill, one of the greatest Britons of all time. Thank you.

[@villhelm]

Churchill was one of the worst things to happen to Europe. He instigated the Second World War on behalf of international banking interests.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

Great speeches.

[@uytgggffghj8797]

@@buildmotosykletist1987 when the woke traitorous outfit that the bbc is now, sought the greatest Briton, I voted for Winston Churchill and was ecstatic when he was voted the greatest ever briton. Sadly the bubble dwelling traitors that I mentioned above, wouldnt even list him now

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@uytgggffghj8797 : I wouldn't list him at all. As I said: 'Great speeches'. "What about the Dardanelles" !

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@uytgggffghj8797 : His disregard for soldiers was criminal.

[@crog9707]

I've read Andrew's book on Churchill. He knows everything there is to know about the great man. Can't wait for this!

[@desiputtar89]

He was a war criminal and you are glorifying him? Bloody hypocrite!

[@goldwhitedragon]

Read Edward Dutton's book on Churchill.

[@desiputtar89]

How can you call him a great man? He was a bloody damn evil racist man.

[@railwaymechanicalengineer4587]

"Andrew" most certainly does NOT include nearly everything at all ! He has omitted an encyclopedias worth of important events, political, military, Secrets War, personal financial woes. His deal with one of the Worlds wealthiest men to harass Hitler, refute Hitler and prevent any agreements with Hitler under any circumstances. And on a personal level, even Winston trying to drown a close relative in the Blenheim Palace lake, by beating the child repeatedly over the head with a paddle from the rowing boat Winston, as a child himself, was in !!

[@wolfu597]

Same here.

[@jimfell7147]

Churchill's history of the British people should be a must read for anyone loosing faith in Britain and our incredible history, warts and all.

[@nonono9194]

Read about his gambling debts and who paid those debts off and what they wanted in exchange

[@mikesheridan5218]

Thank you. I'm cycling to Paris in June to commemorate DDAY +80 years. This is a charity ride to raise funds for Help For Heroes. All of the freedoms we have enjoyed since the end of the war are because of the great sacrifice and bravery of the previous generations.

[@SuperLibertarianMan]

It's always been a dream of mine to visit the beaches of Normandy. I hope one day I can make it. My grandfather fought the nazis in Italy, and other fronts. We need to be more like our grandfathers.

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

I was educated - tolerably well - in the English state system in the 1970s and 80s. I was awarded an A grade in A level history but at no point in the various syllabuses was Churchill mentioned. Despite this, I always knew, and still know, quite a lot about Churchill from my own reading and general knowledge. This probably began with being taken to see the film 'Young Winston' circa 1973.

[@WaydeRobson]

I've seen that historian's stuff, he paints a sympathetic picture of Hitler as more nerdy loner than bloodthirsty madman. There might be some truth to that in his younger years, being he was swept up in power later in life. But his one video reports on Churchill bombing England himself and blaming Germany. I've searched around, that's one conspiracy theory I was never able to verify via Google searches. Although I don't doubt it's out there, I do doubt it happened exactly the way he described.

[@juliacorton7697]

I wish every school pupil would get to listen to this excellent interview.

[@grannyannie2948]

I was at school in Australia in the same period. History was still taught properly. However we were taught virtually nothing about the second world war, probably because our parents and grandparents lived through it. And the Vietnam War was never mentioned, because as children we had lived through it, and it hadn't long ended.

[@peggyoban4069]

Movies are essential-with young hip stars-to reintroduce the new generations of leaders…to reality.

[@looney7022]

​@@grannyannie2948we had a few veteran teachers when I was at school in the 70/80s, headmaster at middle school was a former spitfire pilot, one ex DLI Burmha vet, an ex jap POW, they told us some interesting dits during some lessons and quiet periods.

[@ToddSauve]

So much of the problem in modern Western countries is that it is very true that our current leadership just completely lacks that wisdom that historians like Andrew Roberts can lend them. It is embarrassing to see how often our leaders are just plainly stupid, and the products of our appalling "education" system. We dismiss our past at our own peril and are headed for terrible times because of this. 🤷‍♂

[@wongfeihung9724]

You are totally correct. Well said. WFH

[@Shortfuse39]

My favorite saying of all time. "Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it." Just imagine the quality of leader that we will have in 20 or 30 yrs on our current trajectory... I dread the thought.

[@grannyannie2948]

The problem is they are Schwabs puppets

[@grannyannie2948]

Well said

[@kentl7228]

Things are happening faster than a 20 to 30 year time period

[@henriettafreeman8651]

Thank you for having Andrew Roberts on! The dragging through the mud of Churchill by activists is disgusting. Any sensible person without an agenda knows no one is perfect and judging someone in the past on ‘modern day views’ is stupid. It’s time to bring back the teaching and be unashamed about one of the greatest Britons.

[@scepisle4970]

Where's our Churchill today...? The world desperately needs good leaders....

[@maninabush8449]

The world is this way directly because of him

[@user-nv4nb5ef3g]

Boris Johnson

[@drg598]

Churchill was a r.a.c....p.^..g PERIOD !

[@jimb9063]

@@maninabush8449 Agreed. The man who lost the British Empire by not coming to terms with Hitler in 1940. His intent in 1940 was a million miles from the outcome by 1945, a failed to get what he set out for massively.

[@TheTimdoyle]

@@user-nv4nb5ef3g😂😂😂😂

[@danadan70]

Such a fascinating conversation! I can't get enough of listening British historians! And Brits should be so proud of their heritage and contribution to this planet! It's so sad to see what is currently going on with a part of the people...

[@dermic]

He was spot on with Islam

[@nonono9194]

He shouldn't have been taking bribes from the same ppl that ended up inviting Islam in then should he

[@dennisddd8243]

Peaceful Islam, but the radicals I would say not.

[@johnbull4138]

I could listen to Lord Roberts of Belgravia all day long. Is there a better more articulate and knowledgeable historian? And what a fabulous calming voice too. Tip top interview.

[@murkartik]

He compared Zelensky to Churchill. Some fucking historian.

[@henriettafreeman8651]

As well as Roberts, David Starkey for me.

[@j-k-j]

Wish more european leaders had his clarity :"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world,"

[@timthetiny7538]

If only he'd recognized the enlightenment's value in breaking Christianity's hold on his people

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

@@timthetiny7538 ...Like the collapse of the Western culture and the introduction of marxism and DEI as the new religion? our survival instincts are dead and our cultural immune system is all but entirely collapsed.

[@harmonimangat3242]

I’m sure we all agree that Christianity also had its dark moments in history as well

[@desiputtar89]

​@@harmonimangat3242 Christianity is not native to Europe. Christianity came from the Middle East. Europeans were pagans before they became Christian.

[@mrtango1824]

@@desiputtar89 your point?

[@ianfinnity2732]

Where would we be now without Churchill’s courage and steadfastness in 1939? He wasn’t perfect but he was probably our greatest genuine hero since Nelson. We should be grateful to him.

[@boost7983]

As an American, I can tell you he was greatly respected, and admired. He was the right man for the job, never a thought of surrender. He loved his nation...

[@rsr789]

With Nazis... oh wait, that's where we now are, with IslamoNazism.

[@Candolad]

No one is perfect, but some are more perfect than others. Churchill in that respect was "perfect".

[@ianfinnity2732]

@@Candolad perfect

[@davidanalyst671]

If there was no churchill, the British empire would have fought on without Churchill and the USA and russia would still have worked together to annihilate nazis. Just google the factory production of tanks and aircraft, and you will see.

[@tadasblindavicius8889]

«No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…» - Winston S. Churchill, 11 November 1947

[@krispoli22]

Perhaps a Republic like the United States which unfortunately is being ran as a Democracy

[@johnfrancis4401]

Lord Halifax wanted to surrender. Churchill saved us.

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

Saved us from what? Germany didn’t declare war on us, we declared war on her, Hitler didn’t want war with us, Churchill was a monster who led us into a disastrous war that we could snd should have avoided, the man was a war criminal.

[@JUAN_OLIVIER]

He was a war mongerer that cause the death of millions all to satisfy his fanatical desire to keep Germany down.

[@petermaclellan9977]

Chamberlain wanted to sit down with Hitler and churchill refused, sending lots of young men to death without negotiations isnt great!

[@anastasioschatzialexiadis67]

Saved us? He dragged us into the War! Read an actual History book.

[@darthbigred22]

Looking at your nation now, I'd take Germans over Muslims.

[@myyoutube373]

Staggeringly good interviewee perfectly interviewed with respect, rapt attention and intelligent questioning. A real milestone from Triggernometry which goes from strength to strength as a media organisation.This is something the BBC once would have been proud to produce.

[@henryjimenez4710]

This is an outstanding show. Thank you for having this man on.

[@steveb3881]

“You have to see people in their own time.” Absolutely right. As L.P Hartley said in The Go-Between: “The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there”.

[@jwelfare1534]

Andrew recommended it but I can’t stress enough how good of a book ‘My Early Life’ is by Winston Churchill. One of the most enjoyable reading experiences I’ve ever had. Churchill’s humour and writing style is unmatched.

[@jamesboekbinder3967]

Wonderful to listen to him - such complete mastery of the material!

[@inisboru3181]

Andrew's book on Napoleon is probably one of my favourite books, it's incredible.

[@curtisbryce5096]

Have you read Dale Carnegie's book on Abraham Lincoln?

[@sydmccreath4554]

@@curtisbryce5096 “I shall win this war without freeing a single slave if I can….” So much for the “great emancipator”. What a joke.

[@curtisbryce5096]

@@sydmccreath4554 Isn't it sad that people of very little talent or ability always sh-it on those who endeavored to excel?

[@dliguori25]

@@sydmccreath4554 trying to keep the country together at any cost - how dare he.

[@grannyannie2948]

Thanks for the suggestion. I find Napoleon more interesting.

[@exp2tr10t]

Roberts is an absolute gentleman scholar. His debate on Intelligence Squared years ago (the one of if Napoleon should be called great) demonstrated Roberts is both an expert speaker, but also equally magnanimous in defeat (he lost the debate). It's an honor to listen and learn from him.

[@roberthayseniorcounselcomm6523]

I am sure he won the debate - he argued Napoleon was great

[@unbreakable7633]

Churchill is one of the great human beings to have lived. And he had an excellent sense of humor to boot.

[@samb5282]

'There will be a lot of young people who don't know what it means to be a Victorian.' So they don't teach that in schools these days?

[@yiguanas812]

That would mean not one Victorian writer or poet would have been mentioned even once throughout the whole schooling period. How they achieve that makes me just shudder.

[@aftabnaveed]

My Grandfather volunteered and fought the Japanese in Burma and he was very proud of it!

[@jonnybingham1]

so did mine - captain John Lewis.

[@LemonScreech]

A righteous war that we absolutely HAD to win. Lost my Grandfather in a Royal Navy motor torpedo boat… defending our southern coast…. Did my duty in the Royal Marines. Bring back national service.

[@standagainstantisemitism]

An incredible historian (Andrew), an incredible man (Churchill), and an incredible interview. Masterpiece.

[@Trava56]

When I think Triggernometry has reached their pinnacle as interviewers, something like this interview pops up! What a treat! It gives me some hope for the future of my children and grandchildren. Hope that the madness that has gripped the so called intelligentia, will somehow be confronted and brought to shame!

[@stephenkerensky710]

The point about Chamberlain is that Britain was in no position, economically, to take on Germany in 1938. He had to make time to re-arm.

[@ladysarcastro8101]

Have a look from a different perspective. Follow the German economy from pre WW1 to post WW2. It's quite fascinating

[@xn85d2]

Except he didn't use the time to rearm, at least not nearly as seriously as he could have. He truly thought there would be no war.

[@andyhx]

Yes but was he stalling or was he just trying to avoid war at all costs? If memory serves, he did serve in the cabinet during the war and was highly thought of by WSC

[@robertewing3114]

​@@xn85d2So many people like to suppose what he thought - as if he never kept a diary or told anyone, such is the failure of historians to relate his affairs

[@robertewing3114]

​@@andyhxhis air craft never stalled - see the Heston newsreels

[@JohnSmith-su3ze]

Winston Churchill wasn't even remotely divisive. He's one of the most unifying figures in British history.

[@maninabush8449]

He marched millions of British catholics to their death to gain favour with the Jewish bankers, who went on to set up the state of Israel that has been a curse on Europe since we involved ourselves in it.

[@maninabush8449]

Churchill marched millions of Catholic family men to their deaths to appease the bankers of a certain religion, who after the war, created a certain state, that has been breaking Europe since its conception in the 1940's. I say "certain" because moments ago I posted this comment but it was immediately removed because I named them.

[@maninabush8449]

Twice I've posted a comment explaining why your wrong, and twice its been deleted instantly... I'm sure you've had the notifications that I've commented twice already... interesting that they're being deleted

[@JohnSmith-su3ze]

@@maninabush8449 Certainly not deleted by me. I want to see your comments. Can you give me a one liner why you think I'm wrong?

[@maninabush8449]

@@JohnSmith-su3ze I was talking about a demographic that begins with J and Rhymes with "You"

[@Rojosi]

The Darkest Hour, brilliant film opened the door and discussion with my children wanting to learn more about important history

[@andyhx]

I can highly recommend The History of WW2 podcast by Ray Harris Jnr. He devotes a lot of time to Churchill, effectively telling his life story up to 1939. Also does the same with Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. Brilliant stuff.

[@DanielRoss-qg2xy]

Great interview, I am a huge fan of Churchill. I need to read this book

[@just_another32]

Great interview, thank you. We barely learnt anything about Churchill in my secondary school, if anything at all!

[@mataform]

Really great interview with such an inspiring historian. Kk and Francis I could see were so enjoying this interview , absorbing all the amazing well rounded information. I was so impressed by the honesty of this historian. He didn’t paper over the cracks . David Starkeys account of Churchills ancestor Marlborough is so worth watching. A really amazing strategist . My Dad served as a para and he loved Churchill.

[@susanongley3830]

Churchhill was the best leader the British have ever had! Thank you so much for this wonderful video. So sad, these youngsters aren't taught about this wonderful leader.

[@darthbigred22]

They lost their empire after... Churchill is a modern Pyrrhus

[@scipioafricanus4328]

Great interview. What a life Churchill lived!

[@user-ly5ro5mu5z]

Churchill was an excellent war leader but not the guy you want to build a more equal society that’s why he lost post war election. Why can’t we respect what he achieved when he was needed but acknowledge he wasn’t a perfect human which lets face it few are. He was a man of his generation and his class.

[@elkpaz560]

The drive to build 'an equal society' is now a fanaticism. He did introduce the Wages Council.

[@user-ly5ro5mu5z]

@@elkpaz560 Men like my grandad who landed on the beaches and liberated the camps knew what they wanted for their children after the war and that’s why he didn’t get their votes .

[@grannyannie2948]

I'm no British, but it's always confused me why having fought so hard, and lost so many fighting national socialism, the British turned around and voted for it at the first opportunity.

[@manfrombritain6816]

​@@grannyannie2948 this is why having an aristocracy can be 'better' than the morally superior equality and democracy. most people are dumb and ignorant and short-sighted. so few even have a lay understanding of anything that should be relevant to the survival of the country, never mind a deeper understanding. how could they possibly make good decisions? aristocrats are not any more moral on average (I would guess) but at least almost all of them have long term investment in the country they are part of. they had superior education and training and were brought up around decision making and politicking and so on. in general they would just perform better at this

[@grannyannie2948]

@@manfrombritain6816 As an Australian I agree entirely. Plato concluded thousands of years ago that a king is superior to a bad democratically elected government. To remove a bad king you only need to remove one man and his followers. I'm currently reading about Henrietta Maria and the Glorious Revolution, when this occurred in fairly recent times. To overthrow an elected government, you are fighting at least half the country that voted it in.

[@greenhornet5186]

Churchill and proper Brisht History must be taught in schools.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

The BBC will help. Right?

[@darthbigred22]

@@offshoretomorrow3346 Right the world Churchill fought for: a tiny UK with no empire filled with Muslims That's called a Pyrrhic victory

[@dinacox1971]

Perhaps not emphasized enough was that the many books written by Churchhill were written by him and NOT some ghostwriter as is so common today!

[@ThePercyGreen]

Great interview. What a leader WC was. Qualities we can only dream of within todays crop of career politicians

[@herbsHA]

It is so refreshing to listen to a historian rather than the usual Hollywood garbage of history we Americans have to endure.

[@AverageJoeInOz]

A truly GREAT man who made the most difficult decisions in modern times with honor, dignity and the resilience and determination of the world's greatest ever nation. God save the King.

[@alanaadams7440]

Well said

[@markwilson7788]

Andrew Roberts is wonderfu to listen to. Complete knowledge of his subject and a great speaker. Thanks for providing this wonderful watch.

[@Allmenareliars]

Thank You Mr Roberts. You have spoken very clearly and informatively on a huge range of topics about Churchill and also related to Churchill regarding the several wars, particularly WWII and Adolf Hitler. I judge this as one of the better two hours I've wasted on any particular youtube video. Please continue doing the same thing you are doing.

[@mgocan6593]

What a fascinating history lesson about Winston Churchill. I didn't learn any of this in my history lessons at school. I have been inspired by this conversation to read some of Andrew's books, and maybe some by Churchill too.

[@andyhx]

I'm reading his ( WSC) history of the second world war. Only the combined version, I think originally it was 3 volumes.

[@s.emorygatorhive8927]

Im an American and I absolutely love Churchill. It may sound crazy but i listen to his Never Surrender speech often, especially now because of all the craziness going on here and across the world. I absolutely adore that great man. Hes the first person I think of when I hear or read about England.

[@Mal_Outdoors]

Brilliant. This is one of the most interesting and inciteful interviews you have done. Andrew Roberts was so clear and knowledgeable. At first I shocked it was 2hrs long but the time passed so quickly and I was riveted all the way through. Thank you.

[@madelainemorch9049]

How lucky are the english men to have the statue of Churchill.

[@greendragonspirit1646]

👿

[@lcraver4797]

Which one? The one just outside the entrance to the House of Commons? (along with Thatcher, Lloyd George and Attlee) or the one in Parliament Square between Parliament and Westminster Abbey? (If you're in London go to Parliament and Westminster Abbey and see both!)

[@CCitis]

Fascinating and timely! I have recently been studying Mr Churchill, what a man.

[@katzensprung7449]

Great interview, thank you very much! Andrew Roberts is great!!

[@VaucluseVanguard]

The most depressing thing here is that almost nothing is taught about him in schools, as this would require context and an understanding that he lived in a time of very different values. As history is now taught as a left wing morality to play it isn’t possible to use Churchill.

[@darthbigred22]

Because one day you'll eventually look around Londonstan and ask yourself "how did we lose our empire?". And it will start with WW1 and end with WW2.

[@loub344]

It's now up to parents, we must teach our children ourselves. My son will learn about Churchill and all the brave men who sacrificed so much for us. Including both my grandfathers.

[@Saunajallu]

Churchill is among the most famous people in human history.

[@lcraver4797]

I learned a lot about him in school though I'm now in my late 60s and high school for me was the early 1970s. My high school math teacher was a Mackenzie-Papineau (International Brigade) man in Spain and my history teacher was Army Intelligence. (Of course my Physics teacher was from Germany and had been an 11 year old Hitler Youth in 1945) That combo ensured I learned much about WW2!

[@winston_smith_omelette]

Nice work lads: keeping the intellectual standards elevated, thank you.

[@JB-gr6om]

Winston, “Stop interrupting me while I’m interrupting you.” 😂

[@mollienight]

Incredible interview. The first duke of Marlborough, John Churchill, won against Louis XIV imperialist designs and showed that France could be defeated, 1704, hence Blenheim Palace. I've always thought of Churchill as a very complex character, the drinking and the gambling, but he was a person of courage. Boris, eat your heart out, you are not Churchill!!! All wars are bankers' wars.

[@psychotropicalresearch5653]

Can you imagine any politician doing that now? No, indeed not, Churchill had more courage all the politicians in the western world put together in the last 50 years.

[@darthbigred22]

Getting us into a war that causes us to lose our entire empire then claiming they fought the most evil man of all time? yeah I can see it.

[@psychotropicalresearch5653]

Also, he would have demolished Trump before he had even started sipping is pre-breakfast cup of tea.

[@J1mston]

This will be a good one, there's way too many lies spread about the great man.

[@dandare1001]

What lies?

[@J1mston]

@@dandare1001 The book Churchill’s Secret War is a good place to start.

[@dandare1001]

@@J1mston I was just hoping for a few examples. I have too many books to read at the moment,

[@J1mston]

@@dandare1001 The book tries to put Churchill as directly to blame for the Bengal Famine. The narrative that it spawned is that Churchill committed his own genocide against the Bengalis. It’s a load of nonsense of course. Arthur Herman (wrote the book Churchill and Gandhi) said it best, the Bengal Famine was not a secret, nor a war. Nor does it have much to do with Churchill. This hasn’t stopped people running wild with the idea and it’s where most of the “Churchill was a racist” comments find their roots. Not to mention it’s also lead to Churchill being compared to Hitler and Stalin. For instance, the KZbin channel WW2 has done an episode where they explicitly put Churchill on the same pedestal as the other two.

[@J1mston]

@@dandare1001 The book tries to put Churchill as directly to blame for the Bengal Famine. The narrative that it spawned is that Churchill committed his own genocide against the Bengalis. It’s a load of nonsense of course. Arthur Herman (wrote the book Churchill and Gandhi) said it best, the Bengal Famine was not a secret, nor a war. Nor does it have much to do with Churchill. This hasn’t stopped people running wild with the idea and it’s where most of the “Churchill was a racist” comments find their roots. Not to mention it’s also lead to Churchill being compared to socialist leaders of WW2. For instance, the KZbin channel WW2 has done an episode where they explicitly put Churchill on the same pedestal as the other two.

[@monocles.IcedPeaksOfFire]

To my foreigner's view, the message or lesson of value of let's call it 'Churchill-Narrative' is: Deep awareness of own crimes and failures doesn't mean defeat or defeatism, but urges a will to win and passionate desire to build glorious prosperous future . Why not to become sunlike?! :)

[@jameswoollard84]

This is superb. Andrew is the finest British historian of his generation.

[@pedrodasilva26]

It only confirms, he clearly is my heroe. And I am not British! 😊 As we say in France, a real ‘Homme d’Etat’, statesman.

[@carolinewalker3106]

This is such a wonderful , informative and interesting podcast , thank you Triggernometry .

[@haroldwalker9802]

43:13 It is worth remembering that the phrase : "Peace in our time" was a direct quote from the Anglican Prayer Book of the time. It was said every Sunday by the faithful.

[@lcraver4797]

Which of course is the reason so many Brits knew the phrase well. One of the most used prayers in the C of E liturgy was that God would give us 'peace in our time' See my comments above concerning Chamberlain's cancer diagnosis.

[@tomburroughes9834]

Great interview. I have read several of Andrew Roberts' books, and his single-volume biography of Sir Winston is superb. His books about Wellington and Napoleon are also very good, in my view. Churchill was a flawed person (spoiler alert: we all are) and a great man. His life has many lessons for us. And Roberts is so right in saying he should be judged by the values of his time.

[@gar6446]

I got to know a WWII veteran very well in my first job, for some reason he took to me and shared a few stories, which was suprising coz he was reserved and didnt suffer fools easily and I at 16 was just about the most the most conceited arrogant idiot you could imagine, But i watched people and liked their stories. He showed me his his blighty wound that got him sent home and probably saved his life. He told me of the bulldozer driver who advanced up the normandy beach when everyone was pinned down, and never got a mention. He also told me how Churchill was just walking around a few days after D-Day observing the front with rounds landing all around him and everyone was hugging the ground. Conversly my granddad was regular army and survived the war from '39 to '45. He hated Churchill, called him a warmonger and a toff.

[@andyhx]

No disrespect to your grandfather but the fact that he hated him and called him a warmonger just shows a level of ignorance which was probably the norm amongst the rank and file. Not that I blame him, it was very very tough for the working class in the 20's and 30's so they probably hated the aristocracy, and had reason to.

[@TheRumbles13]

Winston Churchill is one of the few humans worthy of his words being put permanently on my skin. "If youre going through hell, keep going"

[@theinngu5560]

Excellent phrase …as patient endurance is definitely a much needed quality and the best way to see through any difficulty…not escape through various diversions which give a temporary high to be followed by a low…

[@susandurrant6357]

Excellent just excellent. Not too many people know their subject as well as this gentleman.

[@arronkeegan484]

Andrew Roberts is my favourite historian of all time. While his book on Churchill is fantastic, I still find Napoleon the Great phenomenal

[@raminybhatti5740]

David Irving's Churchill volumes are also a good read for a slightly less effusive appraisal of the man.

[@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684]

I stopped reading after "David Irving".

[@raminybhatti5740]

I wish you'd stopped typing after reading "David Irving." 😄👍🏻

[@andreaking4818]

One of your best interviews. Brilliant.

[@theinngu5560]

Agree ..just bordered his book

[@theinngu5560]

Ordered!

[@j2174]

He undersells the Canadians contributions to the war effort. Britain had entered the war with 80,000 military vehicles of all types; however, 75,000 of these British vehicles were left behind in the evacuation at Dunkirk in 1940. Virtually defenceless on the ground, Britain turned to Canada. Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, 40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms. The Germans referred to Canadians as 'shock troops'.

[@lcraver4797]

Canadia's biggest contribution was to have the largest unit in Britain (1st Canadian Division) during the Battle of Britain - they didn't arrive early enough to get sent to France. And of course to play a major role in the U-boat war.

[@yiguanas812]

"History will be kind to me, for I will write it myself" Winston Churchill

[@AdrianLynchandKuBa]

who else see the history repeating its self ? but cultural and psychological

[@richardstever3242]

At this point I wonder how you could not see history repeating itself. The genie is out of the bottle.

[@thegeneralist7527]

History is like a fractal, it repeats, but is always unique at the same time. Human nature has not changed.

[@AdrianLynchandKuBa]

@@thegeneralist7527cool, i have had that thought. i kinda see fractals and Pareto principles everywhere, i thought there could be some kinda fractal mathematics that aint been invented yet...

[@richardstever3242]

@@thegeneralist7527Perhaps even with the shoe being on the other foot. Like a pendulum.

[@Apollyon-er4ut]

As one whose personal interests and livelihood is connected to history, I'm appalled by the ignorance of history in the last couple of generations. It leads to insanity and disaster. Yet, my depth of knowledge of Churchill is shallow. He seems to be typical of the old adage regarding many of that generation, high and low: hard times make for strong men, strong men make for good times, good times make for weak men, weak men make for hard times, etc.

[@pixie3458]

So great to hear this history from Andrew. Reminds me of studying European History as part of my degree. Absolutely fascinating talk

[@PhilBaird1]

What a brilliant historian and wonderful man Andrew Roberts is. I enjoyed every minute of that. Please get him back on again. Thanks guys.

[@JB-gr6om]

The Churchill War Rooms Museum in London is fantastic.

[@lcraver4797]

I heard that though didn't go there - instead we took the Parliament tour which was GBP 25 per person and included pretty much all of Parliament including walking down the center aisle of both the Commons and Lords. If you are in London when Parliament is NOT in session DEFINITELY take that tour. And if you're of a religious persuasion, Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey (@3:30pm weekdays) is memorable as well. (We were there 1-2 weeks before the Brexit vote)

[@piushalg8175]

Obama who was such an "outstanding world leader" had the bust of Churchill removed from the White House. This is very telling and only adds to my disdain for most of our modern "statesmen".

[@wallyreyes8876]

Your clueless, Obama the village idiot. The child grooming LGBTQ gender fluidity absurdities village idiot was an outstanding world leader in your mind? His gender fluidity absurdities fundamentally changed America into Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids. Which will soon be the end of America if GOD doesn't shed HIS grace and mercy on us. I remember I told my co-workers that if we elected Obama, America deserved whatever happened to us. Well we will soon pay a heavy price for it.

[@dennisddd8243]

When you say outstanding world leader, that is sarcasm right? Obama's greatest and only legacy will be the first black American president. I was glad he was elected but I had little hope it would be successful. And unfortunately I was right.

[@davidclifford5124]

A fascinating interview by Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster with the historian, Andrew Roberts, Baron Roberts of Belgravia, on the life of Winston Churchill. Foster has an Irish father, a Venezuelan mother and an Arab grandfather. Kissin is of Jewish and Russian heritage and grew up in Uzbekistan, then part of the Soviet Union. They run the Triggernometry website, one of my favourite sources of information. Both are immigrants who, like many others, make a really valuable contribution to the UK both as commentators and comedians.

[@eldaveo9356]

As a New Zealander, who's grandfather was an 18 year old in Gallipoli and the Somme, yes. It was a major cock up in WW1 that killed Australians and New Zealanders in absurd numbers. My Grandfather was one of very few to come back from his company. Eventually "Shell shock" or ptsd as it would be these days, had him take his own life. But I still believe without Churchill, we would be speaking German or Japanese right now without any rights. He's a hero who stood tall for the free world and it disgusts me that people dismiss him these days. And that is from me, whom his mistakes in WW1 had a profound effect on my family. Without Churchill, we would all have been absolutely occupied and destroyed. My generation is blissfully ignorant of the danger we were in less than 100 years ago. I hope it doesn't come and wake them up anytime soon. I don't think we have the moral fortitude in the west we once had.

[@markflynn2669]

Imagine having a politician in charge now who is also a war hero. I bet things would be different.

[@Boog_masskway]

Excellent excellent podcast. This was a great way to learn some history. Andrew demonstrated his encyclopedic knowledge of the matter and still told us riveting stories. More please!

[@MrLongpaddock]

An incredibly uplifting story so well laid out by Andrew Roberts whose knowledge is copious and enthusiasm is infectious. Ably steered by the trigger guys. Where would we be now but for Churchill! Get real, naysayers!

[@jakubsowa2047]

Excellent episode. Love Churchill, they don't make them like that any more.

[@goldwhitedragon]

Thank God.

[@JR-wu1fg]

Brilliant guys. Well done. What an inspiring person Churchill was. I was lucky enough to study him at school. If only we had politicians with his experience and wisdom. I'm going to get Andrews book.

[@ogazm1865]

Hands down, my favourite Trigger conversation.

[@kevinabeard6904]

This may have been your best interview to date. Fascinating. Thank you.

[@ianjackson5150]

Utterly fascinating. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@homofloridensis]

From the US here: but I think the British Empire was a good thing for the world. Nobody likes being colonized, but there was a lot of knowledge, culture, and technology transfer, the building up of infrastructure, international trade, and political alliances. And, in the end, they withdrew reasonably gracefully.

[@go0ose]

You're wrong and you're the typical useful US idiot that these clowns have brainwashed with Hollywood movies. Retard.

[@grannyannie2948]

"Nobody likes being colonized" Why ? I very pleased to live in a former British colony.

[@liamascorcaigh2601]

If the British empire was so great why did you Americans fight a long bloody war to get out of it?

[@otisarmyalso]

Yes the Brit Empire was the most civilizing event since Rome. The Suez Canal the industrial revolution Steam power & rail travel. the School system spread under the Empire. Stopping Slavery & human sacrifice were all good things initiated by the Empire... naturally eggs were cracked to make custard 🍮

[@grannyannie2948]

@@otisarmyalso I'm in Australia which was a convict colony. We were one of the earliest places to realise that boy prisoners should be separated from adult male prisoners, and reformed not punished. They went to school and studied an apprenticeship, they had about 15 to choose from. The idea being the boys could all move on to respectable, crime free lives. What I particularly liked was that every week day they had hours devoted to play, including all day Saturday.

[@zisikaragiannis2390]

Fascinating to hear about the life of Winston Churchill, amazing life! Great interview, Andrew should stick to history. He lost me when he compared “Putin to Hitler, and Zelensky to Churchill”… please!!!

[@andyhx]

I can't believe he's said that. Zelensky is a crook, already signed Ukraine over to BlackRock and no doubt in for a very comfortable future.

[@habitshare]

Fantastic interview !! Lets un-cancelled those who made our life in the west possible and cancel those who ruin our life in the west in the name of wokeness.

[@KJG1967]

Also my Lord, the US did not give us the Sherman tanks, they were purchased at huge cost as was the every bit of food & every bullet. Even I born in 67 paid down that bill with Jock Brown paying the last instalment.

[@copee2960]

My grandfather who fought and saw action in WW2 told me the yanks made a pretty penny out of us through "helping us".

[@KJG1967]

@@copee2960 your grandfather was correct. Not only did America financially ruin us they took our technology almost for free, and they manipulated our policies, so things like Blue Steel our own nuclear missile was cancelled because they wanted it cancelled. That project kept my dad busy in Australia for a bit.

[@sanniepstein4835]

I've never understood why my country (USA) treated our closest ally worse than our enemies after the war.

[@jthunders]

Common British canard about the US role is to confuse Lend Leases (free) with the 1946 Anglo American loan which gave Britain money at the usurious rate of 2%.

[@jthunders]

​@@sanniepstein4835American politicians, particularly on the Republican side realized they had been maneuvered into the first world war by the arms manufacturers, who had sold Britain and France huge amounts of arms on credit, then lobbied the US government to save their debts. They did not want a repeat of that. Also don't forget the Balfour declaration, designed to appeal to those who they believed were the real controlling power in the USA

[@andyhx]

Just one point about the Dardenelles. It was very close to coming off. The Turkish leaders actually fled Istanbul. Only the inaction of the Naval commander, and Kitchener refusing to reinforce quickly from Egypt prevented it from coming off with barely a shot being fired. The mistake was letting the Turks regroup and not withdrawing sooner. Also, the whole cabinet agreed to the plan but only Churchill fell on his sword for it. Im surprised Andrew does not mention these facts.

[@SomeBody-pb7ht]

Dude. Read "The Evolution of Psychology," by Haier. There are absolutely intelligence differences by race. That is the Cambridge textbook on the subject!

[@rarebird_82]

Shh... you're not allowed to notice facts 🤫😏

[@grannyannie2948]

Ofcourse there are

[@RR98ITR]

“After the US Embargo, the Japanese wanted Dutch East Indies Oil and so they had to attack the US”. That’s a very long leap there. They calculated that having backed them into an existential corner the US could be expected to intervene when they went south and preemptively attacked to prevent/delay. We never ask though if we would have.

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

Apparently some _Zoomer Historian_ thinks he wasn't that great... I beg to differ; Though it wasn't great to be an Irishman during the 1920s under his authority, he DID lead Britain to achieve proper operating status during the later part of WWII, his strategies and mentallity as PM was what kept the British in the fight and helped them pull through to the end. He deserves every bit of praise the countrymen of the U.K. proclaim of him.

[@GriffinParke]

Quite afew people are not fans of Churchill. Most make the case that his wartime policy, bankrupted Britain and subjected it to the USA, which it did.

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

I beg to differ, the man was a monster, a warmonger who led this country to disaster getting involved in a cataclysmic is war we didn’t need to fight, the man was a war criminal.

[@Rocko130185]

@DavidSmith-fs5qj Neville Chamberlain was British PM at the start of WW2. He declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Who exactly did he lead to war, considering the war had already started?

[@joestalin2375]

​@@DavidSmith-fs5qj Your STOOOOPID!

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

I didn’t say that Churchill declared war, he pushed us to war, a war that cost us hundreds of thousands dead, cost us an empire and laid the foundations of the mess we are in today, it is you who hasn’t got a clue what you are talking about.