The Churchill cult is out of control: Tariq Ali on Winston Churchill

[@jonathonjubb6626]

Brit 72 yrs old here, still learning... Thank you Sir.

[@robertewing3114]

Anyone against Churchill being a household god has only to be just to Neville Chamberlain. This man doesn't pursue justice, he pursues the cult he favours. And it has always struck me that traducing Chamberlain is invitation for doing down the British people. Churchill angrily replied My chief has a will of steel! Learn this - Churchill may have detected the danger

[@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg]

Listening to this man’s point of view doesn’t make it fact. He is an open Marxist with very radical views.

[@amandaadams2869]

Corruption has always under-lined politics, no one is in power unless someone unseen wants them there to do their bidding, wealth and power will always be fiercely guarded, we are all manipulated on every level in every country in the world. Whoever you are, you are being played.

[@serpentines6356]

Oh, stop it. Go live in N. Korea then. Geez. Get a clue.

[@mattbell5575]

@@serpentines6356 It’s easier to fool someone than to persuade them they have been fooled. Churchill was convinced he was superior to the common man due to being a minor noble, he lived far beyond his means and was bailed out financially by various entities hostile to the British people who obviously thought they were getting value for money. Think about it the other way round. If you were leading a 100 Billion industry would you not spend a few thousand or a few million to have things go your way?

[@serpentines6356]

@@mattbell5575 That's a bit of a butchery on Twains quote. I don't care, I really don't care about people pontificating decades later in judgement about Churchill, when they have no clue about their own weaknesses that would arise in them in that time, and place in that world, in that position. It's ignorant garbage.

[@fookorf]

@@serpentines6356 no need, the UK already is N.K. We saw that a month ago with all the moronic plebs wailing over the death of a parasite royal.

[@serpentines6356]

@@fookorf Oh, stop it. That's hardly N.K.

[@lotoreo]

People would rather believe in the cuddly disneyfied version of Churchill rather than learning historical fact. Anything for nationalist jingoism. It's disgusting. The truth needs to be heard.

[@Alburr250]

As someone of Indian and Pakistani heritage I strongly agree

[@serpentines6356]

Such stupidity, and racism. You don't like the white guy? I do. I know he was flawed but he was also an amazing leader.

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about everyone's indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Then the World will be a level playing field.

[@thehound9638]

People admire strength and courage which Churchill had in abundance! It might be the latest fad for everyone to present themselves as the victim, but it won't last! Men like Churchill live on in the memory of nations for centuries! There's a reason for that.

[@AB-kc3yc]

@@thehound9638 👍

[@widsof7862]

One thing that tranformed my opinion about him, was actually my gran. Growing up, going to a Church of England school, we had the narrative that he was a hero etc. my gran was a teenager in the war, and she grew up in a miner’s household, and she told me that the miners could never forget that on the hunger marches, he set the troops out on them. I don’t discount the contribution he had in WW2, yet he is a far more complicated person than the hero narrative relates.

[@xchen3079]

He was not a hero because he didn't go through the rain of bullets himself. But he was the greatest statesman of 20 century who made a country a hero and saved the world from one evil. Any argument?

[@gooderspitman8052]

I’ll second that opinion.

[@jackreacher5667]

@@xchen3079 What in your opinion makes him the greatest statesman in the 20th century?

[@xchen3079]

@@jackreacher5667 I have said in my comment already.

[@jackreacher5667]

@@xchen3079 You have indeed, I would disagree and I am ready to argue.

[@Paul-qo4ci]

churchill was prepared to turn the guns on his own people/threatened the Welsh miners with the army

[@fun_ghoul]

And on Britain's Soviet allies in "Operation Unthinkable".

[@sojourn6697]

And the Welsh will continue to whine perpetually. Boo hoo.

[@shantishanti1949]

@@sojourn6697 what a sick response. Mental health day needed for you mate.

[@michaeldunn8972]

Welsh are not Churchill's own people.

[@tombyrne7784]

Churchill was no friend of Ireland either - continually resistant towards Irish independence and threatened to seize militarily Irish ports during WW2. A man should be judged by the actions of his entire lifetime - not by a small section of it.

[@rover9214]

YOU forgot it was him who sent the black and tans to Ireland , in i920 ,whose crimes would make the Gestapo look like sunday school teachers

[@serpentines6356]

It's was a huge feat to get Britain through that war. Guess he should have just let Germany have you.

[@tombyrne7784]

@@serpentines6356 One huge feat indeed. Nevertheless, it does not eradicate the responsibility he bears for his many earlier crimes. Regarding "letting Germany have us". Maybe so! After all, we were well used to invasion, persecution and tyranny by the British Empire for centuries - we would have resisted the Nazis in a similar fashion.

[@serpentines6356]

@@tombyrne7784 Resisted, and failed. The Brits didn't have the Luftwaffe. Without the Brits you would have been toast.

[@tombyrne7784]

@@serpentines6356 True, we would have failed as did the Poles, Dutch, Belgians, Danish, Norwegians, French, etc. Nevertheless, we would have resisted in our own way - and continued to resist. Our history is a testament to failure and defeat, but also to perseverance in spite of the fact.

[@kenhutley971]

Church's life became sanctified mostly after his death in 1965. I remember it well. The bookshops offered several biographies and tv showed documentaries reviewing Churchill's life and aspects of his successes and failings.

[@serpentines6356]

No, it's not about being "sanctified." It's about knowing history, understanding people in their times, and how difficult it is to be a great leader, especially during a time of war when you are the underdog.

[@kaushikbasu3778]

@@serpentines6356 That is right, sir.

[@zulfhashimmi2040]

That happens to a lot of world leaders and even regional ones

[@zulfhashimmi2040]

@@serpentines6356 underdog ? Who Churchill ? When he was commanding a huge empire pitted against a pathetic primitive war worn German army in 1940 , glorified coast guard Kriegsmarine and a outnumbered airforce luftwaffe. Germany war industry was in shambles because of the ineptitude of the nazis

[@gooderspitman8052]

One cannot judge someone on the morals of yesteryear, morals are after all just codes of conduct that are prevalent in one’s own epoch. But one can point out the failing’s of an historical figure or event, that’s called revision. Though Churchill was a fantastic wartime orator and leader, one must not forget that the government was a coalition government. Therefore Winston Churchill was not a god, like everyone else he had a feet of clay and was guilty of quite a few crimes against native populations, including the Irish populace, on whom he personally unleashed the Black and Tans. There are many more instances of Churchills shortcomings, but why not just read the book and draw your own conclusions?

[@davidhorton1064]

I'm from Welsh mining stock,my Grandfather hated Churchill

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about everyone's indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Then the World will find some peace!

[@Alfred5555]

@@AB-kc3yc What do you mean by this? "when the truth about everyone's indigenous culture comes to light"?

[@stevarey3519]

Well mate your a Welsh man and your father hated him and he was right.The thing is you say your dad despised him, I'm saying you dad hated him and I'm English. He was an imperialist who hated working classes that was a massive problem with the upper classes then

[@antikdeela5625]

Us Merthyr boys did the same

[@grahamt5924]

I am from Welsh mining stock and my Father loved Churchill. How strange is that.

[@williamgibson248]

As a Scot, I never thought of Churchill being heroic or praiseworthy! My Great Grandfather went to Gallipoli and my Grandfather was abandoned in France. Consigned to 5 years of starvation and slave Labour! He is a Colonial Occupier! 🤬

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Did the Germans starve your great grandfather? What kind of labor did he do?

[@boysiedent6149]

I am a Blackman from Jamaica - My Grandmother told me that two white men came to the house and while one of the white men engaged my grandfather in conversation the other white man drifted to the rear of my grandfather and suddenly without warning - jumped on my grandfathers back - after this incident both white men informed my grandfather that he had been selected for the British Army and must report to Up Park Camp, Kingston - After which my grandfather was sent as a mule to Gallipoli where he laboured for the British Government until the end of the first world war

[@Hans-fz6cc]

No to forget that churchill as defense minister in the first WW was responsible for the death of 140,000 british and australian soldiers in the disastrous Galipoli campaign.

[@andrewnorrie2731]

And New Zealanders.

[@murrismiller2312]

I have been to Gallipoli......it's NOT Churchill's fault.

[@murrismiller2312]

Horrid landscape , Gallipoli.....horrid

[@emmetsweeney9236]

Churchill also helped cause WW 1 in the first place. He was a psychopath. Read Pat Buchanan's book, "Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War". It's an eye-opener.

[@uttaradit2]

my grandfather lost a leg in galipoli.....

[@TREVORALLMAN]

"Winston Churchill" by the Soviet writer Vladimir Trukhanovsky, written in 1978, is well worth a read.

[@Freedom_4_Assange]

thank you !

[@adrianingham1560]

So is David Irving,s Churchills War.

[@perlefisker]

Thank you for this recommendation.

[@peterplotts1238]

Right. A best seller in the USSR - and Cuba.

[@robertrichard6107]

Italy was no soft underbelly of Europe.

[@RaiseMoreHell]

At 10:08, the closed captioning has mistakenly labeled the two crucial Soviet victories in WWII as Corsica and Stalingrad, when of course it was Kursk and Stalingrad.

[@davidmcnamara2730]

do you not understand inflection

[@skipper6528]

I was thinking Caucasus

[@sticky59]

@@davidmcnamara2730 Well ... was it actually Corsica or was it Kursk ??

[@caseywhite3150]

Lol Corsica is the little French Island Napoleon was from..... It was not a part of the WW2 turning around. Kursk was the big tank and army battle in Russia in 1943 where the Germans just had to much to go through and had to retreat.(i believe Hitler sent alot or the men to Italy as it was being invaded simultaneously

[@fun_ghoul]

@@davidmcnamara2730 Do you not understand CLOSED CAPTIONING???

[@superpuppy7854]

Churchill's explanation for his ordering the RAF to drop nerve gas on Kurdish villages was, 'to instill a healthy terror in them'. What we now call terrorism. At the time we invaded Iraq because Saddam had done the same thing, the British public overwhelmingly voted Churchill the greatest Briton ever to have lived.

[@bubiruski8067]

Churchill was not a fascist but he was an eugenicist. Questionable what is worse !

[@lorddaver5729]

Churchill was not made Prime Minister in 1939. Bit of a glaring mistake for someone like Tariq Ali to make. It was Neville Chamberlain who took Britain into war when his Government declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939. Churchill did not take over as PM until May 1940.

[@robertrichard6107]

He was ol' buds with FDR though since they were both Secretary's of their Navies, what with his American blood, Digby and all. I think he knew he couldn't screw this war up like the last one. Having the Ultra Secret helped.

[@cloviscameron7233]

Give and take a few minutes.

[@briancarton1804]

Ever hear of a slip of the tongue.

[@junewebb-baptiste2409]

Is this an attempt to discredit the truth of his comments? Seems so to me.Nitpicking!

[@lorddaver5729]

@@briancarton1804 Getting the year wrong is more than a slip of the tongue for someone of Tariq Ali's standing as an academic. Saying that Churchill was PM in 1939 would lead those who don't have a detailed knowledge of the facts of the war - but like many in such a position, are aware that Britain declared war on Germany in 1939 - the end result of Tariq Ali's error is that they now think it was Churchill who took Britain to war. It is clearly important that they should know it was Neville Chamberlain's government that declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939, not Churchill's government in May 1940.

[@mattbell5575]

Churchill fought passionately for whoever was paying his bills at that time. A model for all western politicians going forward.

[@Smudgeroon74]

@mattbell5575 From 1936 Winston was employed by the "Focus Group" to do their bidding (against Germany) which was chaired by Royal Dutch Shell chairman Robert Waley Cohen

[@razachaswills5076]

⁠@@Smudgeroon74. So Churchill was against Hitler, even before the war started. And it seems, you see that as a weakness in Churchill? Fortunately most of the world benefitted from Churchills foresight and clarity of mind. Sadly there still exists a few “evil people” who admire the cruel, sadistic, madness of Hitler. You it seems is one of them!

[@Letsgetiton41]

Exactly

[@serpentines6356]

​@@Smudgeroon74 Winston Churchill was a great leader. Thank goodness England had him as their Prime Minister at the time.

[@alcoholicjoe6199]

@@serpentines6356 you clown you ..I'm British , you ain't got a clue how the world is ran .

[@Pdclip245]

Also after the war he was voted out by the very soldiers who returned after defeating Hitler.

[@fearnpol4938]

Let’s not forget he was viciously against any form of social state and an NHS.

[@charlytaylor1748]

Working class men exchanging ideas on the front line

[@Alfred5555]

He was then swiftly voted BACK IN in 1951 on a ticket of retaining the Empire and foreign affairs, after only a short period of Labour government. So, do make sure to look at the full picture.

[@rupert5390]

Oh brilliant - forgot to mention voted straight in at the next election.

[@iainclark5964]

@@Alfred5555 In 1951 the Tories got less votes than Labour and a smaller % of the vote. It was our ridiculous electoral system that got him back into power.

[@zainmudassir2964]

He was huge reason for 3 million deaths in the Great Bengal Famine 1943 by demanding food to be sent out to Britain and elsewhere and blaming the Indians for it. Even rejected offers for aid by US to do maximum devastation to the people of Bengal

[@Mute040404]

No mention of the Japanese blockage at the time ?

[@jryan2552]

@@Mute040404 The blockade couldn’t have done much. Churchill chose to starve Bengal so that they could increase excess food stocks in Europe.

[@shkodranalbi]

Indeed. He starved 1 million Germans, too, closer to home. Then Dresden. Etcetera. And he lied about a lot of things which caused more millions of dead people in Europe.

[@shkodranalbi]

@@Mute040404 which provoked Pearl Harbour

[@copferthat]

Is it compulsory for you all to talk such shite?

[@sanjayvaidya4925]

Fun fact : Churchill still owes a tab at the local club. “In the year of grace 1868, a group of British officers banded together to start the Bangalore Club. In the year of grace 1899, one Lt. W.L.S. Churchill was put up on the Club’s list of defaulters, which numbered 17, for an amount of Rs 13/- being for an unpaid bill of the Club. Formed by a bunch of British officers, the Bangalore United Services Club came into existence formally five years later in 1868. Since its existence, many British officers, who were stationed in Bengaluru or erstwhile Bangalore, became members of the exclusive white club for men. Winston Churchill, former British Prime Minister during World War II, and heavily criticised for his role in the great Bengal famine, came to Bangalore in 1896. Twenty-eight years into the club’s existence, Churchill, who was a lieutenant in the 4th Hussars, was stationed in the Bangalore cantonment, when he became a member of the club. According to Bangalore Club’s website, Winston Churchill played polo and read a lot of books at the club during his time as a member and also spent a lot of time “courting” an English woman named Pamela Plowden, who later went on to become Lady Lytton. Three years after his stay in Bengaluru (erstwhile Bangalore), Churchill left for war in the then North-West frontier, which is now Pakistan. When he left the city, he also left behind a debt of Rs 13 that he owed to the club, which was subsequently written off as “irrecoverable debt” in 1899.

[@loolfactorie]

He doesn't owe it if it was written off lol

[@maaziy_ghaziyIYI]

It's just that he didn't pay it off@@loolfactorie

[@nickush7512]

Tariq, I have no idea who you are, I never heard of you AND you reflect just about everything that I, as a white, black sheep, English man from a true blue background, have worked out over my six or so decades. I commend your excelent presentation of your perceptions.

[@charananekibalijaun8837]

'excelent' English man you are 🤦

[@philiprufus4427]

I have heard of him he was a pain in the early seveniies he has mellowed somewhat.'

[@alipaf2002]

There was no leadership, we were screwed, on Eastern front and on Western front, luckily Japan attack USA and Germany attacked USSR.

[@nickush7512]

@@alipaf2002 Could not agree more.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

You never heard of him !?!? He's been banging on about the coming Revolution for the last 50 years. He's like these old guys wandering about with signs saying " The End is Nigh '' Basically a harmless nutter.

[@TheLastOilMan]

Tariq should write a book about all of these evil scum spend their lives trying to mess with the peasants !

[@drstrangelove4998]

Tariq has spent his life trashing the British.

[@user-kn8un4ru8p]

@@drstrangelove4998 Trashing the British? Tariq Ali has not needed to do that, the British are quite capable of doing that all on their own. In the past Tariq was very radical, but now he gives us a history where we as ordinary educated people would never have learnt it. Well done Tariq Ali. As someone once said, history is written by the victors...........

[@elkpaz560]

@@user-kn8un4ru8p Someone might have said that but it doesn't make it true. The vanquished may nurse their resentments and create their own history. Basically what TAli is doing.

[@user-kn8un4ru8p]

@@elkpaz560 the scars make it true.

[@g.pmoore4293]

According to Tony Benn the reason Churchill lost the 45 election was because they had been reading Robert Tressells book The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists.

[@grahamt5924]

The people were tired of the War, they were tired of rationing, they wanted change.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

God , how I miss Tony Benn ! He may have been barking mad but compared to the current lot he was an intellectual giant !!

[@widsof7862]

i didn’t know that, that’s interesting actually. I think after WW1, people had been promised homes fit for heroes etc and it didn’t really happen, it wasn’t so much they didn’t rate his contribution during WW2, they absolutely did, but they wanted a future unlike the 30s where there was the Great Depression etc and at the time, most people who’d been through that connected it with the extremism that they ended up fighting and wanted a better future. One of Churchill’s mistakes was to suggest that the Labour Party being elected could lead to similar extremism, the problem he had with that was that people saw those same Labour politicians being part of the national unity government during the war, and didn’t buy that idea.

[@landsea7332]

@@grahamt5924 Exactly . The British public made sacrifices in yet another war and they wanted employment and social programs . Churchill took this election for granted . This issue was that Britain was broke and as Churchill pointed out , they didn't have the money for social programs . .

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@grahamt5924didn’t rationing continue under Attlee?

[@gooderspitman8052]

Very interesting synopsis, I will definitely read this book. Different view points make for interesting debate and one should not be polarised in one’s opinions without reading all sides of a story.

[@embalmertrick1420]

He ignores facts... 🙄

[@gooderspitman8052]

@@embalmertrick1420 which are?

[@richardwills-woodward]

@@gooderspitman8052 Churchill is not guilty of anything he just stated.

[@gooderspitman8052]

My honest unbiased overview. TBH, I am reading the book and imo it needed a very large edit, the book is over one hundred pages longer than needed. Retraces Peterloo and the Newport riots, which is out of context given that Churchill wasn’t born till 1875. Editing is disregarded when one is an older scribe, I personally am finding it hard going, but I will persevere.

[@TrueEnglishMan01]

@@gooderspitman8052 “Retraces Peterloo and the Newport riots…” It’s called giving context to the world in which Churchill grew up in. What’s wrong with giving historical context?

[@landsea7332]

Churchill was an imperialist - But he despised communism and fascism . To say that Churchill was sympathetic to fascism is complete rubbish. As early as 1933 , in his "wildness years " , Churchill was warning Baldwin and Parliament of Hitler's military build up . Tariq Ali has completely invented this part . Churchill was a great believer in Liberal Democracy and did everything he could to restore Democratic elections to Poland . .

[@JamesMc2051]

He probably meant prior to that time -- i.e. late '20s. Any favourable quotes Churchill made about Mussolini seem to be from that time period (they met once pre-ww2 in 1927).

[@juancampbell5399]

Persuasive line of thought but flawed by Marxist prejudice . . . and facts!

[@johnhooper7040]

Land Sea: Churchill's obsession with Hitler and the Nazis is more due to his hatred and suspicion of Germany than Hitlers politics. As early as 1908 long before the start of WW1 Churchill made a speech at Oxford in which he said war with, then, imperial Germany was necessary. He saw imperial Germany, which was fast overtaking Britain's industrial output and wealth as the greatest threat to his beloved British Empire. With his dual British and American heritage he did not see, or want to see, that the greatest threat to Britain's empire was from the anti- imperialist USA, in particular men like FDR. Later the USA was to show it's opposition to empire by not supporting Britain during the Suez crisis, that last gasp of British imperial action. Very Churchillian although ordered by his successor as PM and long term associate Anthony Eden.

[@juancampbell5399]

@@johnhooper7040 yes, Roosevelt was gutless and allowed his anti British stance or rather that of his cabinet, to interfere with the basic cause. Who knows what would have been had Japan and Germany not declared war on the USA ?

[@dalipsingh2467]

Doesn't fascicism and imperialism , if not the same, overlaps each other? If democracy means will or chice of people whom they should be ruled by, Doesn't imperialism negate this very core concept of democracy?

[@littlestone1541]

Mr Ali is quite right, it is a cult of personality that has been built up around the character of Churchill. One where his faults are not only ignored but actively erased. This is very politically and culturally harmful, in my opinion. The record needs to be set straight, and I for one am very pleased that this man is attempting to straighten it. When ever people come at me with "Winston Churchill the great" rhetoric, I only have two words for them: Bengal famine.

[@tmahe28]

Exactly what did Churchill have to do with the Bengal famine? What sort of junk history ate you referring to?

[@carlodefalco7930]

theres no cult of churchill being built up , bad as he was , the left or whoever it is, attempts to erase him and point him out to be a criminal is whats driving those who support him to go extreme also... and really his supporters arent extreme..his faults have always been put out in plain view and not glossed over at all .

[@arunjetli7909]

@@tmahe28 you are either a surreal liar or lived under the rock, an apologist to the core, you dismiss the genocide of 3 million people with a brush soaked in ignorance

[@chrisjones2224]

And I have to words for you, Japan and Germany, have you ever stopped to think what would have happened had the Allies lost the war, do you honestly think Japan ruling India would have resulted in some sort of paradise.

[@littlestone1541]

@@chrisjones2224 The Soviets won the war for the Allies. Then the US and Britain took all the credit and launched what could be legitimately argued as a third world war against communism, by which they meant socialism in all it's forms, Soviet or otherwise. Even Democratic socialism in the south Americas and middle east was too much for them to bare the thought of, resulting in the US staging coups against democratically elected socialist governments and pouring billions in arms, training, logistic support into the most violent and radical far-right theocratic extremist groups in those regions, who swept the countrysides and villages committing their own ideologically driven bloody massacres, many horrific atrocities, and several genocides.. all with the full endorsement of the US Empire and the UK in the name of "anti-communism "... The numerous MILLIONS of lives that were lost during this endeavor by the reactionary forces of the post-war west acting at the behest of the rising US empire BY FAR surpass any "death-count" attributable to even of the most violent socialist revolutions, and the civil-wars that followed them them, including the Russian and Chinese revolutions. The US dropped more bombs on the smazll, poor and agrarian countries of Vietnam and Laos alone than were dropped by ALL other nations TOGETHER during the ENTIRE second world war! Just let that sink in a bit... And when the Korean farmers and workers rose up to oust the unpopular and violent fascist dictator that the Americans had installed in their country as a puppet government, the US bombed the north of the peninsula to the extent that not a single building above two stories was left standing in the entire country, Killing a full 20% of the Korean population, of peasants and farmers. But they weren't finished... They then spread millions of gallons poisonous chemicals from the air over 80% of the north's arable land. Rendering it useless for generations... Later Resulting, along with a comprehensive blocade of embargoes rivaled only by the one imposed on Cuba, in the well known North Korean famine. All that being said, however, there is still something that I don't quite understand about your position: Looking at your respose to my comment, I can only assume that you seem to think for some reason that if Churchill hadn't let some 3 million people starve in India... then the Allies would have lost the war?!... your argument, let alone your conclusion, simply does not follow from your premise.

[@DemonetisedZone]

Working Class people like my grandparents knew what Churchill was and got rid of him in election after war

[@michaelmccomb2594]

What did they do in 1951? Remember Churchill was a key figure in founding the welfare state as Liberal in the early 20th century and part two government (under Lloyd-George and Baldwin) that significantly expanded the voting franchise. He identified himself much more as an opponent of middle class socialism than the working class, particularly was his experience as a Manchester MP, a city that still had slums.

[@matthewstone1362]

After the war Churchill was voted out of office as the Oldham MP. He didn't win the war. The working class who he treated like shite did the bloody work once more. And the USSR lost over 23 million people fighting the man that Churchill and his ilk promoted and used against the communists and even allowed the prototype Luftwaffe to carpet bomb the republic fighters and civilians in Guernica. The UK establishment made it illegal to travel and fight in Spain against the Fascists. The Western powers allowed the rise of Fascism because they feared Communism. They created a monster (Churchill included) and unleashed it on Europe. The same seems to be unfolding once more in Ukraine. Once more we side with Nazis against the Russian people.

[@shantishanti1949]

Agree entirely. 👍

[@JohnBaxter-iq7wr]

As you reveal, this is all about finding largely misplaced fault and never seeing the complexity of history or distinguishing between a desire to preserve what is best about Britain and Western Civilization versus thinking of it as simple racism or unnecessary brutality. The British feared Communism and for good reason. Just ask any German freed from East German rule after the collapse of the Soviet Empire. You are failing to see the inherent superiority of Western ideas about capitalism, relatively open and competitive markets, and representative government. Churchill recanted on his Victorian racist views and allowed that the Indian was the equal of any Englishman by the end of his life. And, to argue that he didn't win the war through strategy shows merely a lack of knowledge about how the war was conducted. The guy invented the idea of a landing craft so D-Day would be possible, for God's sake. Gallipoli was a disaster as you state, but disasters happen when new and risky things are tried in war. Also, Churchill claimed he was not given what he really wanted to make that invasion a success. He felt guilt about it for the rest of his life and even wanted to cancel D-Day at the last minute because of his fear that it would fail as the basic concept was similar. As usual, the opportunity to become more enlightened becomes a polarizing force that swings much too far and fails to recognize how history operates while taking decisions out of context, consumed by only partly justified guilt feelings. The same BS happens as we review the decision to drop two atomic bombs on Japan, taking the decision out of context when history proves it was a terrible decision but the only one that was closest to right. Without them hundreds of thousands more Americans would have died conquering Japan, more Japanese would have died, and Japan would be like North and South Korea with a Communist government in the North. The Japanese were not going to surrender without overwhelming force applied one way or another.

[@shantishanti1949]

@@JohnBaxter-iq7wr you failed to address anything raised.

[@JohnBaxter-iq7wr]

@@shantishanti1949 To debate against what was raised was not my point or desire. My point was not to try to contradict anything raised, but to put the sins committed during war into a larger context--whether or not there was a net improvement or progress of any kind. What needs to be addressed is not the desire to bring up buried sins, but the inherent bias of those doing so who never put them in proper context. And besides, I did end up addressing the things done, perhaps to excess, in trying to defeat Communism. That is hardly a bad direction. The Allies bombed civilians in Germany during World War II believing it would help to stop Hitler. In a society blind to all but the power of the Nazi Party, it can be argued that such destruction was pointless and that Hitler could only be stopped in the field against German soldiers. We'll never know. But the war was won and Germany was ultimately brought to a far better state. One needs to see the bigger picture, and what I am arguing, too, is that we need to be fair and objective and see, also, that we may sin, but we only learn from those sins--our errors. History moves forward, but never backward.

[@shantishanti1949]

@@JohnBaxter-iq7wr I think Israel / Palestine proves history repeats? Hatred moves forward. The hatred caused by the history.

[@Wilkins_Micawber]

My mother from a working class family and growing up in the 1920s and 1930s hated Churchill with a passion, exactly for the reasons that the commentator here states. However, she does accept that in WW2, he was the right man at the right place in the right job. Throughout the Empire Years the British population were fed a diet of propaganda of the “Benevolent” care of the people of the Empire. Churchill was one of those who propagated the lies.

[@Smudgeroon74]

@Wilkins_Micawber Did you know he was employed by the "Focus Group" from 1936 onwards. I suggest you look into this aspect of Churchills background. He was also bailed out 2 times by wealthy US tycoon Bernard Baruch and Henry Straikosch(South African gold mining magnate) from 1930 to 1937. Straikosch gave Churchill £20,000 so he didn't have to sell his country estate Chartwell...

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

Had Churchill not been PM during WW2 we would've remembered him as yet another mediocre aristocratic politician that got their career obliterated by WW1

[@Vic-on5ic]

Churchill made some mistakes but he was mostly right. It's a shame that you defend the actions of young hooligans who have only one motivation -- anti-western sentiment. You want to weaponize them even more? What kind of historian and human being you are? You have the same urge to demean Great Britain as they but you're doing it in your seemingly "intelligent" way.

[@chocolatesugar4434]

it's crazy cause non white brits are effectively gaslighted and told the person that felt so negatively about us, was a really good person with admirable values????

[@jonsmith1162]

Whilst white Brits are told we should welcome with open arms people into our country who hate us and our way of life.

[@carcher3279]

Britain is gas lighting central HQ of the world.

[@sheilasmith7991]

Well I guess these non white Brits could always move to a country where they are not gaslighted and can be happy and free.😊

[@carcher3279]

@@sheilasmith7991 not likely, but keep dreaming on though. 😴

[@afkaqualls]

@@sheilasmith7991 Or maybe you could not be a xenophobic nationalist puke and try being a good person.

[@conlaiarla]

Great interview. He certainly was racist against everyone including native Irish.

[@conlaiarla]

@@johnbrewer8954 John ... you need professional psychiatric help. You are talking complete irrational gibberish. Seriously.

[@johnbrewer8954]

@@conlaiarla How is the DNA different? Or does that sound good in your head? What "culture"? The Irish world view is they will suck up to Englands enemies in the hope they dont win, to gain an advantage. Its a pity we couldnt have just let Napoleon or Hitler go in there to give them something to really whinge and moan and mule and puke about.

[@ericsommers7386]

It reminds me of when I wrote a graduate presentation on the Soham Rail Disaster in 1944, and learned quickly that despite the image Churchill had very little to do with WW2 British domestic politics as opposed to the Labour Party.

[@serpentines6356]

Oh, spare me. He got Britain through freakin' WW2. He was an amazing leader!

[@jonlewis6700]

No because he had a F##kin World War to Fight

[@fredfrantz855]

@@serpentines6356 thanks for that.....

[@keithfrost1190]

@@serpentines6356 All on his own!

[@serpentines6356]

@@keithfrost1190 I never stated that, now did I.

[@kerryburns6041]

The English have a strange compulsion for forelock tugging. Doesn´t really matter who.

[@kerryburns6041]

@@ericdelf You´re probably right Eric, it must be terribly difficult to tug your forelock with a fascist boot pressing on your neck.

[@freedom4639]

They are subjects 😱 do what they are told No protests no uprising no brain .

[@sojourn6697]

Yeah well if Hitler had his way even the snivelling bloody Irish would be tugging their forelock to him… or else.

[@jackdavidson2612]

I remember him as agitating student in the sixties, he's still at it.

[@fookorf]

good. Facts are facts.

[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

God bless Tariq

[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

@Van Brighouse You say that like he doesn't talk about Pakistan. He's written more than one book on Pakistan, the same way he's written more than one book on Britain. He was born in British India and has lived vast majority of his life in Britain. He has the right to criticise it.

[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

@Van Brighouse Yeah I see what you mean.

[@jonlewis6700]

Why do people who hate Britain want to live here if i lived in a country where everything was so bad I'd F##k off

[@serpentines6356]

Oh debates are important, but you don't get to tear down public historical art. Public historical art is so important. We need more of it, not less.

[@davidpalk5010]

Celebratory statues do not function as art, and they're generally not historical. Nobody can name the "artists" responsible for the toppled, daubed, criticised and questioned monuments and statues of the imperialists and other murderers and abusers - and if the statues of Rhodes, Churchill, Thatcher, Harris, Baden-Powell, etc., were removed, who would mourn their loss? Statues and monuments are to honour, celebrate, and remember for wholly positive reasons. We shouldn't afford that kind of veneration and adoration to racists and genocidal tyrants. Statues of such people belong in museums with appropriate context. rather than on public display in their original positions. The statues of people who have been proven to exploit and kill must be taken down and relocated as an act of respect for their victims. As an easy to understand example, Jimmy Savile's gravestone was first vandalised and then officially removed and destroyed - and he was a man who was massively popular. raised £140M for charity, and killed nobody. Are you going to argue that Savile should have been left to rest in peace under a celebratory tomb because the nameless stonemason might have been an artist? Perhaps you'd like to see a Jimmy Savile statue erected somewhere in recognition of his unquestionable popularity and outstanding charitable work. No, I thought not. So, ethical consistency dictates that the murderous imperialists should be dishonoured in exactly the same way.

[@serpentines6356]

@@davidpalk5010 Oh, spare me such wokey dokey stupidity! Ugh! Churchill was a grand leader. His statue along with the others do belong in the public purview. Gadz, people like you have no clue!

[@grahamt5924]

@@davidpalk5010 I disagree. I like Thatcher, Churchill and Rhodes and beleive their statues should stand. They were giants amongst us and their lives do teach us valuable lessons. Also the statue of Churchill is not about Chirchill but also about what Britain achieved in WW2. Comparing any of these to Savile is a misunderstanding of history. Also comparing people by todays standards is meaningless. You have to put them in context. Rhodes was an unashamedly imperialist that beelived the whole world was going to be better under British rule. Have a look at the world in his day and he was not wrong. If you were living in Africa in his day, he would have been a hero to you. If Africa was the way it was back in 1880s and you had to live there, you would be supporting people like Rhodes.

[@DefenderOfLogic]

@@grahamt5924 "Also the statue of Churchill is not about Chirchill but also about what Britain achieved in WW2. " Then why not create a monument of soldiers that died and risked their lives rather than the man who thought he could do with them what he wanted without consequence. "Also comparing people by todays standards is meaningless." What year in history does one begin start or stop the comparison? I'd like to know. Evil is evil. Regardless of what year it happened. "I like Thatcher, Churchill and Rhodes and beleive their statues should stand. They were giants amongst us and their lives do teach us valuable lessons. " Would you be against statues honoring Hitler? He was also a giant amongst us.

[@grahamt5924]

@@DefenderOfLogic There are memorials in every town and village in England to those who died in the wars! Also, there you go comparing Hitler to Churchill. You really beleive they are the same?

[@getevennow]

Churchill did support the Partition because he wanted the continuation of the Great Game.

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about everyone's indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Then the World will be a level playing field.

[@fookorf]

@@AB-kc3yc stop repeating yourself, parrot boy.

[@andym9571]

No. He feared a bloodbath without it. There still was one but probably not as bad

[@Mute040404]

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't... Who wanted a partition in the first place? Sadly, whoever created the borders, it would've created mayhem

[@pushpenderrana6190]

Jinnah was meeting him all the time

[@nickjanczak9665]

And that is why Boris Johnson venerates him.

[@veronicamaine3813]

I mean I’m Australian so I know Gallipoli only happens because of Churchill. But I’m also Polish, so I know the the horror of WW2 - whirl Churchill was deeply flawed he stood against Hitler. I would chose him over the available alternatives everyday.

[@agin1519]

I was a history student. The only thing negative about Churchill I heard growing up in the 80s and 90s was from the Returned Services who said he just sent their members to die. I didn’t even know he’d been voted out at the end of the war until last year! But you have to remember there was a big movement to figure out what could be done with the poor since Victorian times. The British working class soldiers at Gallipoli and other brutal battles could not vote. This was running parallel to the empire, the desire to solve problems of health, criminality, and of poverty with science which had been doing amazing things (radar! microwaves! Bombs!) in other spheres. It all makes more sense that it was at least in part, a British identity campaign, particularly since the 80s.

[@philiprufus4427]

That is what the older generation told me as I was growing up. As I was not around then who am I to judge

[@alipaf2002]

There was no leadership, we were screwed, on Eastern front and on Western front, luckily Japan attack USA and Germany attacked USSR.

[@fun_ghoul]

Churchill didn't stand against Nazism. Search up "Operation Unthinkable".

[@alexduggan9629]

I suppose the question is: How do we measure a persons worth? Does doing one bad thing negate all the good things they did? Should we judge the person by todays standards or view their life within the prism of history. Does Mandela or Gandhi get let off for their views and actions, or can we also claim their cult is built on lies?

[@owenokane9643]

Gandhi and Mandela and their peoples were downtrodden within their own country. Churchill was born with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth. There is no comparison between the 3. Two of them are looked up to around the world and the other in only part of it. You can guess who was who.

[@johncarden1112]

I was born just after the war. London was still flattened, I saw it. My parents and aunts, uncles, all knew that Churchill's leadership and stoicism, through the radio broadcasts of the time, kept up morale when everyone was losing everything, their homes and families. This was when UK stood alone, before the US or Soviet Union were fighting Germany. There is a reason why Churchill is revered. Easy and cheap to pick off the things that he did that, retrospectively, after several generations and cultural changes, seem wrong. We have no idea now what life was like under the Blitz. Nothing can change what Churchill did for this country.

[@johnsmith-mq4eq]

England never stood alone It had the whole might of the British Empire behind it plus the USA in 1940

[@freedom4639]

Keep drinking the drug

[@zulfhashimmi2040]

Keep believing the myth it was our boys [U.S] that bailed you out in ww2 not the whining of your leader He ruined Britain as an empire by his myopic policies in ww1 and ww2 if it wasn’t for his war mongering, you will still have an empire you can be proud of and so many less britons and their cousins across the North Sea would have died.

[@zulfhashimmi2040]

Convenient how you forget Canada Australia NZ India and host of other colonies

[@DorotheaAntonio]

@@johnsmith-mq4eq France had it's own Empire, but still surrendered.

[@johnhooper7040]

Fascinating! I think I might buy his book. Great that at last someone is writing about Churchill unafraid to criticise a very flawed man whose failures are effectively forgotten because of his role in WW2. A role which was exaggerated because he wrote the definitive history of the war

[@juancampbell5399]

Don’t we need to understand the basic ideas of the imperial thesis, and thus those of Churchill?: 1. The British race and the English speaking peoples have a mission to carry out, for the benefit of Western civilization. 2. The exercise of Empire requires determination, authority, and sometimes violence. 3. The benefits in the spheres of education, infrastructure, culture, commerce, and solid institutions, may outweigh the detriments that come with repression. Or perhaps not? 4. But are these “benefits” less than those offered by other civilizations or regimes?

[@johnwalters5131]

Honest criticism of Churchill would ring truer if made by a member of his own race .

[@farinatadegliuberti8461]

@@juancampbell5399 Italy did not grant this right, so you do not have this duty.

[@differous01]

@@juancampbell5399 "... when the War Cabinet chaired by Churchill first realised the enormity of the famine, it agreed that 150,000 tons of Iraqi barley & Australian wheat should be sent to Bengal...” [Churchill and the Bengal Famine - Zareer Masani] Critical Theory makes warts the ALL.

[@sueelliott8085]

This is nothing new, the majority of Churchill’s biographers recognise he was a flawed man. There is no need for a hatchet job. Of course he should not be sanctified, but most British people recognise if it hadn’t been for him Britain would have surrendered to Hitler, in exactly the same way some people would have the Ukraine surrender to Putin.

[@spottymaldoon4427]

He mentions the 3 million deaths in Bengal caused by Churchill right at end of this presentation. I thought he was not going to mention it! A famine was to blame for so many deaths

[@beerd67]

Crass episode of history that has been cruelly forgotten... 🤬 One of many.

[@matthewkopp2391]

A famine was to blame for the deaths in Ukraine under Stalin, it too was not intentional. And a famine was to blame in regards to Bengal. But this is what we should learn in regards to propaganda which makes one man the ultimate evil and the other a hero. How is it that Stalin was to blame for a famine, and Churchill was not? The fact is they were both leaders who did not adequately respond to a crisis as millions died. In Stalin’s case it was likely out of pride of not wanting to ask for international aid to hide a flaw and failure, in Churchill‘s case it was racism and imperialist attitude. But both should be remembered accurately.

[@marasi36]

4.5 million!

[@barrybarry6592]

A famine directly managed by the government agents

[@serpentines6356]

@@matthewkopp2391 No, people have debunked this lie. And it's disgusting that a man of history thinks it's fine to tear down the statues of Britains incredible leader that got them through the war. Shame on ANYONE that thinks that's ok.

[@johnkesich8696]

Didn't the English have a penchant for displaying the heads of their enemies on poles outside their castles going back to the middle ages? Was their explanation of their barbaric behavior against the Greek resistance a bit of projection?

[@richardrozmanowski8753]

HRH the Duke of Kent, in the book ‘First to fight’ pays tribute to Polish forces during WWII, after kindly unveiling a Polish Armed Forces War Memorial at the National Memorial Arboretum on 19th September 2009. In the introduction of the same publication, the grandson of Winston Churchill, Sir Winston S. Churchill, also pays tribute to the Polish Forces and states that it was his grandfather’s greatest disappointment that Poland endured Soviet slavery for 45 years and blamed Roosevelt for not recognising Stalin’s obvious intent towards Europe. I suspect Winston Churchill’s conscience troubled him for the remainder of his life.

[@landsea7332]

" I suspect Winston Churchill’s conscience troubled him for the remainder of his life. " It did . He wished that he could have done more for Poland . The Yalta Conference in Feb 1945 , is falsely blamed as the sell out to Stalin . However , the truth is the Soviet Army was already in most of Poland , Eastern Europe and 80 Km from Berlin . There wasn't a dam thing Churchill could do about it . Churchill was warning FDR about Stalin , but FDR needed Stalin's commitment to end the war in the Pacific. Both FDR and later Harry Truman got Stalin to attack the Japanese Army in Manchuria 3 months after the war in Europe ended . Churchill asked his military planners to examine the possibility of pushing the Soviet Army out of Poland - they came back and said it would probably lead to total war . Operation Unthinkable became declassified in 1998 . kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWqyp5SgoNysrtk .

[@Love.life.ashigzoya]

At last how refreshing! Churchill would never had lowered the Union Jack anywhere in Empire Indian Military Veterans .

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about every person's own indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Only then will the World be on the road to truth and meaningful discussion.

[@kateoneal4215]

Thank you for this!

[@grantgalea]

He had his faults like everyone else but Winston Churchill was a great man and the ultimate British patriot. It’s a pity there’s nobody remotely like him in British politics today. May he Rest In Peace.❤

[@larrybxl5406]

I fully agree. Of course Churchill has his flaws, he was a product of his upbringing in an aristocratic home, a very class based society, which was blatantly racist. Woodrow Wilson is often praised especially in Europe, but he too was a blatant racist and anti-semite.

[@mudra5114]

Guy was a mass murderer mate. A genocider.

[@razraza3183]

There was NO difference between Churchill and Hitler.

[@rudyalarcon3532]

Study Winston Churchill's "Operation Unthinkable"

[@spanglestein66]

You should do one about one of the many Asian despot's . save you going through the pain of dealing with the English ones .....just a thought

[@serpentines6356]

Oh, that wouldn't be any fun. The current fad is to jump on the "hate western culture" bandwagon, and get lots of applause for repeating what's already been said ad nauseam.

[@abrahamheg1734]

He has written extensively about that topic. You have Google, no?

[@abrahamheg1734]

@@serpentines6356 He has written extensively about that topic. You have Google, no?

[@serpentines6356]

@@abrahamheg1734 Well, good. Glad he did. Churchill was no despot.

[@IshtarNike]

@@serpentines6356 maybe not to someone who looked like you. Have you heard what he did to India?

[@salrah2566]

Well done. Some real insights

[@robhuhges]

Says the guy who lives in a country not ruled by a german dictator. Ingratitude is outrageous

[@scooby1992]

True about Clement Attlee as Tariq said . Apparently Churchill once said " Mr.Attlee is a very modest man and has much to be modest about " . It is also overlooked that Attlee was Churchill's Deputy PM during the war time coalition and basically ran the UK domestically whilst Churchill concentrated on the war effort .

[@michaelmccomb2594]

Atlee once went to a toilet, to find Winston at the urinal next to him, upon realising, Churchill zipped up and moved away. “Feeling standoffish today, are we, Winston?” Churchill replied: “That’s right. Every time you see something big, you want to nationalize it.“

[@AB-kc3yc]

We ALL need to start with: Every human being is flawed! Then put ourselves back into the time and the place of WW11, and ask the question: Did this flawed human being do the best he could for his country? And could we as flawed human beings ourselves, have done any better!

[@christophermclaughlin8917]

Smug Maxists Would NEVER Allow For The Natural State of Flawed Humanity To Impead Their Critical Dismantling Of Any and All who Answered Uncomfortable Calls at Happenstance and Circumstance. In Their Minds These Men Were PRIVELEDGED PURVEYORS of POWER LUST Singularly. F**K These Marxists.

[@Freedom_4_Assange]

Churchill was a bloodthirsty monster that could have prevented WW2

[@richard7704]

Every country has got a blood thirsty monster not just the UK. What country u from

[@andym9571]

Ridiculous

[@Freedom_4_Assange]

@@andym9571 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oomrqZyBebl7nLc

[@zulfhashimmi2040]

Yes indeed

[@brendanbrown3100]

So nothing to do with Hitler invading Poland then?

[@johnburman966]

You suggest that history of colonialism should not have happened.....but it did.....it's just what is. Those with power take what they want. Their heroes like Churchill were not liked for being nice people, but for helping defeat the enemy. After the war he was redundant. Life in all countries, at all times, rolls on, it has no purpose or plan - just what is possible. The Churchill cult comes from a sense of loss of 'great britain'....nostalgia.

[@robertblankenship8541]

Having been born in the US in 1950 I can assure you that deep respect for Mr C. , with an understanding of his quirks, was well established long before the Falklands war. If you are really concerned with racism, I would start with Japan, China, Korea and the Indian class system

[@chrisbennett6260]

yeah dodge the issue by deflecting it to to other countries

[@saracenseven8314]

let me guess non wasp

[@serpentines6356]

@@chrisbennett6260 Yeah, I guess Brits should have stayed on their island. Then India could still be burning widows, and enjoying their class system, wretched treatment of the women, and poor. Britain allowed way too many foreigners in, right? Why did so many go overseas to Britain?

[@chrisbennett6260]

@@saracenseven8314 if the cap fits mate

[@robertblankenship8541]

Nope, pure English Scottish Protestant from the state of Virginia, old stock American. @@saracenseven8314

[@adrianwhyatt1425]

He became Prime Minister in 1940. The previous Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, remained leader of the Conservative Party until his death in November 1940, serving in Churchill's Con-Lib-Lab Coalition Government cabinet dealing with home affairs. He got 47% of the vote against Labour's 49% in the 1951 General Election. Due to the distortions of the first-pass-the-post system, and demographic changes not taken into account in constituency boundary changed, Churchill's Conservatives won a majority, ushering in 13 years of Conservative rule. There still fails to be a top up system to ensure that the party with the largest number of seats gets the largest number of votes.

[@petercolledge2236]

Tariq is quite correct. Churchill was a racist imperialist. He disliked the Indian race, especially Gandhi, forgetting that the volunteer Indian army of three million men actually fought in all theatres of war 1939-45. Yet his patient analysis of Hitler and Nazism throughout the 30s, which resulted in him being loathed by his party, showed his courage when the country was under fire. I don't like the use of the word 'cult'. We are all comfortable now, including Tariq, because of Churchill's decision in 1940 to fight. The fact that he destroyed the French fleet showed the Americans that we meant business. He was a complex character, difficult to pin down and capable of linguistic flights of fancy that our country had need of in those dark days.

[@serpentines6356]

Yep. Thanks for the summation. I tend to think "cult" is just up there for "click bait." This is more like just another smear to get applause for bashing "a powerful white guy.* It's getting very boring.

[@alancawfield6549]

Problem is all his flaws are cancelled out and more by his leadership during the war which helped rally the british people.Regardless of what people think of his numerous bad points and flaws his leadership during the war outweighs it , and I say this as someone who is Irish (a country Churchill had complete contempt for) .

[@MrWhothefoxthat]

rally, he did no more than fool them, the proof is in the pudding seeing whats going on today with this open border, we have become a dumping ground.

[@alipaf2002]

There was no leadership, we were screwed, on Eastern front and on Western front, luckily Japan attack USA and Germany attacked USSR.

[@neilthefish]

As somebody Who is lrish you should be ashamed.

[@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek]

@@neilthefish you should be ashamed. Without Britain (inc Churchill, unfortunately) Germany would have won the war. Ireland supported Hitler and didn't help the allies during ww2. The Irish are a grossly nationalistic people, yet they have nothing to be proud of.

[@philwilliams953]

His description of the Churchill cult as an English one ignores how he is revered in certain right wing American circles.

[@philwilliams953]

​@user-wj6dt5bq3w Why?

[@doctorlove3119]

Given half a change I'm sure he would have been a supporter of Hitler as well

[@philipgrier9376]

It has been many years since I listened to you. I am so happy to see you have lost none of your fire. The world is a much richer place for your contribution.

[@colinbrigham8253]

I agree 😊

[@alloomis1635]

tariiq ali put the boot to the churchill myth in elegant fashion, readable and well-supported.

[@davidbrear8642]

Churchill also took credit for all the (apparently) brilliant strategic decisions which he was able take due to intelligence being gathered from the 'Ultra' secret. The level of intelligence which the (actually) brilliant British and Polish code breakers supplied Churchill with during WWII, was truly staggering, but this revealing fact remained hidden until the 1970s. It was very convenient that Churchill's own history of WWII could make no reference to the Ultra secret.

[@grahamt5924]

The memory of Churchill has very little to do with actual Churchill. He is just the focal point on the pride of the British(white people generally), on how Britain did in WW2. It's the same as as Ghundi. Examine his life and you find lots wrong. He is just the focal point of the Indian pride in overthrowing the English Colonists from India.

[@davidbrear8642]

@@grahamt5924 Good point. Personally, I think all words referring to 'race' are a false trail here. For a start, there is only one human race, but for obvious historic reasons, people of Churchill and Ghandi's generation (no matter what their skin colour) habitually couldn't see the world in such rational terms. Churchill was brought up to believe that not only was he 'superior' (the grandson of a 'Duke'), but also that he was the member of a 'superior' nation that ruled over a large portion of the Earth. Churchill and Ghandi also both cultivated their images, becoming two of the most-easily recognised celebrities of their age. Even today, most people would be able to recognise Churchill and Ghandi from merely their silhouettes. They remain two of the most complex and fascinating people to study in history, and particularly if one can use one's critical faculties.

[@grahamt5924]

@@davidbrear8642 I think people who have never been a minority forget race at their peril. People are stoll very racist today and if you go and live as a minority somewhere you will appreciate what I mean.

[@davidbrear8642]

@@grahamt5924 That's the point isn't it? Scientifically, there is only one human race, but almost the entire world continues to employ the out-dated (once scientific) terms of 'races' and 'racism.' In point of fact, we've now got 'racists', 'anti-racists' and 'non-racists.' In reality, members of the human race would appear to retain a natural instinct to want to stick together in their own groups, and not necessarily their own national groups. History proves that it is very easy to manipulate this common instictual human desire. Personally, I think it's better to admit that this instinct (commonly referred to as 'racism') exists in many of us, in order to resist it.

[@grahamt5924]

@@davidbrear8642 People generally stick together with their own cultural group and because we all generally try and promote our own family members and our own family tends to be within our own cultural group, it gets very difficult for any minority cultures. The English see Churchill as their hero due to ww2. They don't think about the bad things he did and are not worried about them particularly. Churchill to them is just a cultural icon of the success of ww2. Other cultural groups don't give a damn about England's success in WW2 so for them Churchill is meaningless in this regard. All they see is the failings of Churchill. They want to pull down Churchill because of these failings and they don't care that Churchill is the symbol of greatness to the English. Its basically cross communications going on here.

[@CashSache]

Always nice to hear Tariq speak on anything.

[@cloviscameron7233]

I used to be on demonstration with him back in the days.

[@rolandhawken6628]

Yes even though he has no idea what he is talking about .Russia did not win the second WW Without the second front in Normandy the constant bombing Of Germany Russia would have remained occupied . To say one nation defeated Germany is stupid

[@terryhoath1983]

@@rolandhawken6628 Tariq has never understood what he is talking about. Within the first few seconds of the beginning, he said that he didn't want to write about Churchill ...... because he didn't want to prolong the Churchill Cult and he didn't want to "waste time" reading about him. Well, he certainly DIDN'T "waste time" doing any research, but he still wasted time writing rubbish. It is amazing what a book contract can do. As for your reply ... absolutely right.

[@afkaqualls]

@@terryhoath1983 Mind explaining everything he gets wrong?

[@afkaqualls]

@@rolandhawken6628 Quit lying. He literally says the defeat of the fascists was a combination of the Soviet Union on the eastern front and the American industrial war machine. You didn't even watch the video.

[@andrewwelsh131]

The working class should remember who he was and what he did and wanted to do to keep them down Victorian values

[@adoreslaurel]

If he thought well of Fascist leaders, why did he bang the drum before WW2 when others thought there would be "Peace in our time".

[@danteshydratshirt2360]

rival gang leaders are basically the same - they dont like competition

[@rolandhawken6628]

The evil men do lives on after them ,the good is interned with their bones .

[@afkaqualls]

Cool "wisdom" too bad its dumb as hell

[@spundam]

It's 'interred' not 'interned.'

[@rolandhawken6628]

@@spundam Yes of course ,thanks

[@JLevant1]

Tariq is so intellectually vast. He's been a noted activist-philosopher throughout my lifetime; which overlaps his. I have tremendous respect and appreciation for him and for his inspiring work.

[@kamaldas1558]

Stalin won the war and Churchill got the credit.

[@matthewstokes1608]

Without Churchill Hitler would have taken Britain with consummate ease. The United States would certainly not have entered the war (as 'Uncle' Joe Kennedy the US Ambassador to London said to Roosevelt - let Hitler take Britain - the British 'have it coming to them - the USA can hold Hitler across the Atlantic and work with him') ... And thereby Hitler with Mussolini still in power... would have taken Moscow, and thereby Russia, unopposed on a single Western Front.... Other than that, your 'oh so inspired' comment is quite correct.

[@ewandmunro]

The Russian people won the war. Stalin didn't have a great deal to do with it really.

[@monacojerry]

What I don’t get is why the U.S. media industry enthusiastically cooperates in the production of the Churchill Personality Cult.

[@radicalprolapse9807]

What a brilliant speaker

[@Kitiwake]

Who was?

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about every person's own indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Only then will the World be on the road to truth and meaningful discussion.

[@fookorf]

@@Kitiwake your mums boyfriend when your dad was out.

[@landsea7332]

Tariq Ali speaks with an educated Oxford accent , but what he actually says is rubbish . Ali mentions the 1948 UN declaration of Human Rights as though it suddenly popped up . When in fact human and democratic rights originated during the Age of Enlightenment , John Locke and the 1689 English Bill of Rights . This was followed by many French philosophers and the American Constitution . What followed in 19th Century Britain , lead by the labour class , was one of the greatest achievements in civilization. A massive move forward in human , labour and democratic rights , children's rights and animal rights, public roads , schools , transportation , parks , sanitation , social programs , a national railway grid , communication grid , science & technology . Then all of this was slowly exported all over the world . Even Japan's 1947 Constitution is modeled after Britain' s Westminster system . All of this is the very reason why Tariq Ali has human rights today .

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

Did Winston Churchill ever write about the Holocaust? I would think he would have some of the most detailed information.

[@TheLastOilMan]

It didn’t even exist until after the war. Churchill would have known it was fantasy

[@kerryburns6041]

@@TheLastOilMan Judging by Israel´s current activities it would not surprise me in the least if their version of the holocaust was distorted in order to weaponise it. Can you give any references ?

[@meandwhosearmy5680]

His mother was Jewish

[@edmundblackaddercoc8522]

He was also bought off by The Focus Forum, owned by......

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

@@edmundblackaddercoc8522 yes he lived vary well from that pay off.

[@ArimaKihe1]

If only we had intellectual wind bags like Tariq Ali instead of Churchill to fight nazis in 1939-1945

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

If only we hadn’t fought at all, no blitz, no rationing and no lost empire.

[@amarjitsingh8685]

@@DavidSmith-fs5qj Yes; Quite agree. A foolish venture to fight WW2 and accelerate thus the rapid decline of Britain, and worse, to thereby allow America to control large parts of the world and carry on the worst practicies learned from British such as aggressions against other peoples and overthrow of governments.

[@briansanderson480]

The right Man at the Right time but after WWII his time was over How he was ever Voted in again is beyond me.

[@aleethelfa9880]

I respect Mr Tariq Ali.I have always wanted to know more about this British leader.I will read this book.

[@mohammadsyedhusain9280]

I think the primary reason for abandoning the invasion of Britain in May/June 1940 after subduing Europe was his animosity for the Slav race and the space needed for the rising German population with the granary included. That became priority one because Britain was going nowhere and could be taken on later. He also admired Britain and considered them Anglo Saxons just as the Germans. This may also be one of the reasons for not going ahead with subduing Britain as he had mentioned to his general (s) his admiration for the British Empire and felt that Britain would come around. It is also for this reason that Guderian’s panzers were halted at the Aa Canal-St.Omer -Abbeville Line just 10 miles short of Dunkirk. It is also said that he wanted to give Britain an escape with face saving and not humiliate them so much that it became a matter of pride to take vengeance just as the Germans had felt after Versailles.

[@landsea7332]

The famous ( second ) halt order started with the BEF's attack south of Arras on May 21st . This hit the flank's of the 3rd , 5th and 7th panzer divisions . Rommel organizes a gun line to stop it and then reports they were hit by 100's of tanks and 5 divisions . Von Klung , von Kliest , von Rundschedt wanted to consolidate the panzers and let the infantry catch up - so von Rundstedt a gives a halt order. The OKH thought von Rundstedt was loosing an opportunity so they transferred the panzers to army group B . Hitler finds out and he is not pleased that the transfers were made without his authorization . He issues his halt order , and transfers the panzers back to army group A . Hitler has a " meeting without a coffee " with von Brauchitsch. All this causes a 3 day delay . .

[@landsea7332]

As you've pointed out , Hitler wanted "living space " to the east . However , the Kreigsmarine had almost no chance against the Royal Navy's home fleet if they attempted to get divisions across the English Channel in converted river barges . The river barges had a 2 foot draft , just the wake alone from a RN destroyer would have flooded them . Here is Bernard presenting an excellent analysis kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5-zoGqMZZihmLs . However , after the Wehrmacht rolled over Belgium , France , the BEF and the Dutch in only 4 weeks they looked unstoppable . There was still a great fear in Britain of an invasion attempt . .

[@pushpenderrana6190]

My thoughts exactly

[@pushpenderrana6190]

​@@landsea7332youre spot on , my thoughts exactly

[@yttean98]

An alternative biography of W. Churchhill in 27min, thanks. In general tell me I am wrong, in the west why are biographers solely focused mainly on the positive attributes of a(any) great/important person and turn a blind eye/hide/downplay his/her shortcomings. Only A few biographers are willing to trash out all the positives and negatives of W.Churchhill like T. Ali.

[@AB-kc3yc]

We ALL need to start with: Every human being is flawed! Then put ourselves back into the time and the place of WW11, and ask the question: Did this flawed human being do the best he could for his country? And could we as flawed human beings ourselves, have done ant better!

[@yttean98]

@@AB-kc3yc It will take a VERY long time to even come to near "flawless" deeds done by humans.

[@andym9571]

There are plenty of historians who wrote about everything to do with Churchill. T Ali is not an historian

[@yingyang6080]

The real question is "why is everybody interested in trashing everything Western and does not turn his/her curiosity and intellectual capacity on all the bad and failures outside the West without the easy way out to blame the West ? Plenty of material to dismantle, criticize and finger pointing that does, but ... ?

[@landsea7332]

@@yingyang6080 - Yes - this is the key question , our National Heritage , Culture , Currency , National Identity the Family are under attack . Much of this is being pushed by the corporate Neo Liberal media and empowering the woke ( Neo Marxist Left ) . Historically , the destruction of a Culture has a very devastating effect on people . The idea is to destroy our National Identity to push a Globalist Agenda . This is why the Neo Liberal Media has been spreading fear about Brexit and calling Italy 's democratically elected Prime Minister names . .

[@Benidorm167]

David Irving’s 2 books on Churchill were great…… Churchills involvement with the focus was very interesting

[@alandenney-101]

David Irving is a Holocaust denier en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

[@Benidorm167]

Define holocaust…… what’s that got to do with his books on Churchill? The man is the best researcher period! Go back to bed son.

[@justiceleague6137]

🤔I hope you will write on the corruption in Pakistan and how the Mafia rule ☠️🤬

[@TimmsMJ]

Don't hold your breath.

[@sanjayvaidya4925]

Whatabouteri. Focus.

[@fookorf]

I hope you'll stop being a butt hurt Churchill cultist and get a life, Mr Whatabout.

[@os75]

He has

[@shahidabdoullakhanzorovr1564]

You write it.

[@howtomakeamonster]

most important book to come out this year imo

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about every person's own indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Only then will the World be on the road to truth and meaningful discussion.

[@fabiantalbot4601]

What about the Kenyan concentration camps Churchill had built 7 years after the war had ended?

[@user-kz8ik8cg2c]

You had a choice in those days,Churchill, Hitler and Stalin,, I would chose Sir Winston Churchill

[@saracenseven8314]

we are talking why he is venerated now

[@guygreen7188]

unless you were one of the millions he killed with the Bengal famine?

[@janebaker966]

No,it was far more complex than that. Which the unjustly monstered Chamberlain understood. That was why he had to be not only got rid of but his name blackened too. They needed simplicity. After all we didn't enter the war to save the Jewish people did we. Because we didn't know about their plight.m(Hint,I'm using irony). We only found out about the plight of Jews after we discovered to our horror and surprise Belsen. Until then no one knew. (!!!!) THEY knew. But that was not the basis for our entering the war.

[@Twirlip2]

That's not the ringing endorsement you seem to think it is.

[@dagmarvandoren9364]

Ich auch...

[@davidhouston4810]

It amazes me that so many people have a distorted opinion of Churchill, He seems to be growing in popularity in the USA. His Leadership during the 2nd World War is the only thing he did that was half way reasonable. Thank you for speaking the Truth.

[@ramseypietronasser2]

I didn't know about the mutinies. Very interesting. Thank you

[@robertrichard6107]

U.S. had brand new rifles made for the White Russians before even the Feb. 1917 revolution and U.S. entry into 'The Great War'.

[@mumsow]

I got hounded across Facebook and twitter for suggesting that Churchill was a racist imperialist. My father came from Dun Leoghaire just outside Dublin and had a festering hatred of Churchill for reasons he explained to me eloquently and I subsequently followed up on. It really did surprise me at how strong and disturbing the Churchill cult is. It consists of so many differing people in all classes and creeds. I couldn't understand how they couldn't see him for how he really was. I even got shady death threats.

[@alanfontaine586]

Caribbean people named Their boys after Winston Churchill ,A white supremacist,The Irony & power of Colonialism

[@idiotsavant751]

Churchill romanticized English history to an extreme degree. He saw the English at the forefront of everything worth anything in the world. Everything to him was subordinate to this. He did identify Hitler as a unique threat early on. And he was consistent about this throughout the 1930s. So, he became Prime Minister when war came. Yes, he was a reactionary and a figure of the past. The thing that’s shocking is that Hitler was essentially created by the West to oppose the Soviet Union and Communism. In terms of Imperialism, the most Imperial thing about the English today is the language which is the international language of business and science. That is a major thing, essential to culture.

[@terryhoath1983]

At the time, who were "The West" ? If you want to argue that Hitler rose to power because of the effect in Germany of the October 1929 New York stock market crash, then fair enough, but I don't think the members of that particular Satanic Cult (in the West) who engineered that crash for their own greed, would have done it if they had understood the consequences for those of their cult in Europe ..... or, maybe, their insatiable greed would have driven them on to do it anyway. Hitler rose to power for a number of reasons 1. The 1929 New York stock market crash. 2. He was a superb orator. 3. He attracted to his side a number of bully boys who were prepared to beat up anyone who dared to speak up against their hero. Some of them, of course, just enjoyed beating and kicking people. 4. The German people turned to him as their only hope of overthrowing the elite of the Satanic Cult in Germany who were, more and more, bleeding them dry. After all, as far as the Satanic Cult were concerned, the German people were "Beasts walking on two legs, sheep waiting to be shorn", and, my God, were the German people being shorn by them in the 1920s and early 1930s. As one Auschwitz survivor declared in German for a documentary, " I don't understand it, we ALMOST thought of ourselves as German. We were respectable. We were upper class. We were doctors ..... We were lawyers .... we were BANKERS !" Yes Dear, And you STILL don't understand !

[@tharakan]

As far as English Language is concerned is another derivative of Sanskrit - readily I can site some hundred words from most European Languages all originate from Sanskrit … but of course the British internationalized it for administrative reasons & inadvertently for all of our benefit …but original credit goes to Sanskrit!

[@johntaplin3126]

'site' isn't one of the hundred, I'm assuming - maybe 'cite' is, Dr.

[@AB-kc3yc]

When the truth about every person's own indigenous culture [which they hold dear, secretly or openly] comes to light. Only then will the World be on the road to truth and meaningful discussion.

[@terryhoath1983]

@@tharakan Jacob, my dear old chap, I have heard this tripe more than 100 times. Neither English nor any other language other than those closely related to it are derived from Sanskrit. Sanskrit was just one of many languages and written forms/alphabets that came from a common lingua franca. Sanskrit was just one such refined form of that common base. As I understand it, Sanskrit is most significant for its written form rather than the verbal form. Many languages developed independently of that common lingua franca. Proto-Balto-Slavic has its' origins nearly 3,000 years ago in a vocal form originating in central Poland quite independently of anything else. There has been a great deal of cross fertilisation. I can list over 50 words in Bengali that are in common usage in English and there are many English words in common usage in Bengali. English is reputed to have more words than any other language, that is because English is like a vacuum cleaner. We are not proud, if we can make use of it, we will. The vast majority of English speakers never make use of more than 10% of them. The fact that modern Slavic languages and so-called Germanic languages, and Romance languages share so many similarities does not mean that their ultimate origins were common. Evolution has meant that English has lost nearly all of the grammatical casing that it had 800 years ago but that does not mean that it originated from Czech or Polish, both of which have 7 grammatical cases. In England, there are dialects of English that exist 20 miles from each other, which in the most extreme forms are unintelligible to each other and unintelligible to me, each with a wide number of unique words. Explain the Sanskrit origins of "jitteh" and "pikelet" (Nottinghamshire and South Yorkshire) or "braw" (Scots). With a name like yours, I can understand that you are proud of Sanskrit but most languages began independently as a series of intonated grunts and hand gestures. Unfortunately, there are many dialects of Americanese that are regressing to those origins. Just listen to George W Bush and Donald Trump. I delight in hearing Indians use English. Their English has many words that are not in common use in modern standard English. It is as if their World has stood still since 1947

[@mpaul4584]

Churchill was gunslinger material, great to have around when the bad guys are in town but unwelcome when they've been defeated. My family, who lived through the war found his speeches inspiring as many people did. In their view he was the man this country needed at the time. The most important battle of ww2 could arguably be the battle of Britain. Had it been lost then a second front in Europe probably wouldn't have been possible.

[@luciuscorneliussulla5182]

An illusion. His speeches were by an actor. The man was an asshole. He played every political party. He was an opportunist sociopath. His personal history shows what he was. Read David Irving's books on him also.

[@mpaul4584]

@@luciuscorneliussulla5182 Actor or not, the speeches were inspirational. Who was this actor? Being an arsehole and a sociopath is a common feature among most politicians. As for reading anything by David Irving, no thanks.

[@williamcordasco945]

For sure.

[@landsea7332]

Actually, the Royal Navy pummeled the Kriegsmarine during the Norwegian campaign . Admiral Raider advised Hitler , that against the Royal Navy's home fleet , they had no chance of getting German army divisions across the English channel in converted river barges . Bernard's analysis is excellent kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5-zoGqMZZihmLs To add , notice that much of the Luftwaffe's bombings were targeted at British ports - Bristol , Portsmouth , London Docks , Liverpool , Cardiff , Glasgow and Belfast - so this was more of a siege trying to cut Britain off of imports . .

[@ranro7371]

The only reason Britain was not invaded was German proclivity towards the British. There was nothing stopping them after the English Army was left armless after the falklands.

[@neilisagum7623]

Churchill sent paid mercenaries to Ireland ( £1 a day) in 1922 with a free hand to crush the Irish, they were mostly ptsd suffering WW1 vets and criminals, their mixture of RIC and army uniforms earned them the label, black & tans, even the regular British army soldiers were appalled at their behaviour twords ordinary people.

[@stevenredpath9332]

Prof. Dorling lecture around brexit and the British empire is an interesting video to watch alongside this one.

[@robertkenyon9939]

Tariq is jumping on a fashionable bandwagon with plenty of inaccuracies. Churchill was definitely a toff but didn’t send troops against the welsh miners and helped introduce a number of welfare reforms. The British Empire stood against the nazis because of decisions he made. Perhaps the fact we don’t live under a gestapo society should be something we would be grateful for. Our finest hour! He had a long career and made plenty of mistakes as many of us do. He had lots of admiration for various other nationalities and the famine was not Churchill’s doing. Calling England a sad little place sums this author up. From a working class lad.

[@lydiamalone1859]

I wonder the arrogant author oppresses his "wives"?

[@tonywilson9950]

What Churchill cult?

[@Davod2139]

And yet, clearly Ali is a man driven by personal vengeance.

[@saeedhossain6099]

I blame that dog in the car adverts for being the soft power to gently inculcate the general people into the sanitized idea of a genocidal maniac via starvation.

[@agubata1]

Word bro 😁

[@maur_sault750]

Tariq why don't you tackle the cult of mohammed which is still relevant for the billion cult followers

[@kensurrency2564]

True, but the *main issue* is the fact that *we cling to cults* in the first place. Pharaonic, Catholic, Jim Jones, etc. Our ideological beliefs keep getting us in trouble over and over. The Cult of Churchill is just a symptom of the age-old problem. We are irrational and stupid yet we keep telling ourselves that we are rational and smart. It’s delusional.

[@gregabidwalapgwilymgoch956]

Churchill ain't popular in South Wales- the tory owners of a profitable pub in Swansea tried to change its name from 'The Tenby', to 'Churchills'. The customers started a boycott, and every time the new pub name was put up, by the following morning the signs would be on the floor, smashed to pieces. On one occasion, in the middle of the day, a drunk bloke used a scaffolding bar to knock the signs off the wall as the workmen put them up. Some people came out of the Royal Welch Fusiliers club opposite to see what was happening- they laughed and went back inside. After 6 weeks of opposition, the tory owners of the pub gave up the unequal struggle and the pub became 'The Tenby' again. Churchill hated us, and we hated him. Although, to be fair, he was the right bloke in the right job, in May 1940, and made some good speeches.

[@hughneek12]

Actually, Churchill's speeches were written by an Irishman, Brendan Bracken

[@christopherhaley1964]

0hewee, that's very enlightening, local, world history. Good to hear the Fussilliers took it all as a big joke. This goes to underline the independence and disinterested Ness of the army at that time from day to day politics.

[@matthewstokes1608]

@@hughneek12 Oh no... Hahaha! ...oh purrrrlease... Churchill spoke only the words he wanted to - and was an amazing wordsmith - a glorious writer... Get a bloody life. This hatchet job will not work! Bracken was a help to a busy giant of world history at a vital time, yes, but nothing more. Watch the documentary on Churchill's secretaries to learn how Churchill dictated his speeches until early hours of the morning - learn some respect.

[@matthewstokes1608]

You were supposed to be immediate allies - like brothers - and a few of your union-minded (underpaid) miners decided to put England - Churchill's beloved country - supposedly your ALLIES - to the ultimate test - put them at risk at a terrible time of looming extermination - extinction of Civilization as WSC saw it - with the UK's back to the wall... Churchill was first of all - once the chips came down - an extreme lover of his nation - England... Think of that... Your miners drove a wedge between that all-consuming love of England and his love for you the neighbours in Wales... The result was yet ANOTHER tragedy of that hideous war (which Churchill had been warning everyone of for years... NOT his or England's doing - whatever this idiot Ali is saying here.) Imagine if our nations were switched at that moment - and English workers were risking the end of Wales forever by holding your feet to the fire at the very worst moment imaginable. Patriotism is a deep thing. (We're talking of an incredibly proud, blind patriot here of course...) We were supposed to be allies to the quick ... Your miners chose just the wrong time to put the ruthless man to that test. Sorry to sound so heartless - but you see that's exactly what WAR does. Cruel and brutal decisions are made as the only way to WIN when your back is against the wall and defeat is not an option. I's just a tragedy. But blame Hitler first. You will always hate Churchill I guess - but there is a man who won by hook or by crook. A man on a mission.

[@AB-kc3yc]

I should think that us English are the least of your worries. How are you coping with mass I^^igration from afar?

[@cbbcbb6803]

Churchill, even after the horrors of WW2, not only wanted to keep the British Empire, he wanted to expand it. What countries would he have added to the British Empire? Who would have had to die in order would that to have happen?

[@markdavies8381]

For Ali and all his ilk who are arm chair nobodies who just want to be smug and say look how better I am, who is the end have a achieved nothing. I leave the immortal words of Teddy Roosevelt. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Well done Churchill!

[@lewislee9201]

Great post. Most of Churchill's critics are nobodies who have achieved little in their lives, like the people who participated in that 'debate' at Churchill College, Cambridge, which was nothing of the sort, just a bunch of grievance studies graduates piling on Churchill.

[@eoharafisher]

Churchill also believed there was ethnic supremacy of the British over the Irish. He wanted to establish some eugenics based laws, but Chesterton’s editorials helped to stop him.