The Truth and Controversy Behind UNDERTALE's "Fan Troll", So Sorry | UNDERLAB

[@yonatanrotbach1722]

It's not like So Sorry is the only contributor inserted character in Undertale. Muffet, one of the most popular characters, was also created by a contributor.

[@MatMart]

Yonatan Rotbach Muffet,So Sorry, and Glide were the three added into the game if I am correct

[@dingbat3440]

How did Muffet get a bigger role than both of them tho?

[@yonatanrotbach1722]

Dingbat Her creator was a relatively famous webcomic artist.

[@MasterXcon]

Don't take this as a trolling but to be fair there is just as mush fan art porn of all the other characters then as mush of this butter dragon.

[@Montork]

alphis is awkward? and how is the design bad?

[@jericho7173]

He doesn't look extremely out of place in undertale . I mean there's literally an airplane monster. Edit: wow I come back 3 years later to find out this has thousands of likes. Thanks!

[@mustachdoge5835]

That's also literally a tsundere

[@UncensoredRhett]

Don't talk shit about my waifu Tsundereplane..

[@DanielGomez-wn5lo]

@@UncensoredRhett your waifu is S H I T

[@mistahjenkins4826]

A tsundere airplain… Wearing a hat. … … Yeah, I'm not surprised. ._.

[@Chaud31423]

A Tsundereplane

[@JoeRepp]

"Maybe Toby bought a particularly expensive sandwich" This whole video was worth it just to get to this joke haha.

[@landonthielen7017]

right as i read this

[@PokemonEmppu]

Nice 666 likes there... would be a shame if... somebody liked it now

[@rustyshackelfurgs6823]

Nice 777 likes there... would be a shame if... somebody liked it now

[@spiritpyro3994]

Nice 1.5k like ... Would be a shame if ... somebody liked it

[@breakfastboi3344]

Seems possible.

[@teamvictoryscreech7134]

I did the math and Samuel's donation accounts for about 2% of Undertale's budget, that's actually very kind of Samuel, he is a huge help to the Undertale community.

[@ghostsyn4040]

100th life

[@leoleonvids]

So this game had a budget of 50,000? Wow.

[@awildpokefan7419]

So Sam’s 2% of the reason why the Undertale fandom exists?

[@theobserver4214]

A random Pokéfan Yeah. That doesn’t mean he deserves anything besides a small footnote of positivity due to his repulsive persona.

[@matchi457]

@@theobserver4214 I mean, Sam is still a great dude. Don't judge him for what he watches, judge his personality. He deserves more positivity for being such a big help and even being happy for being so hidden into the game!

[@gorillazsan]

So Sorry's a butter dragon? I always thought he was a really plump kangaroo or wallaby. lol

[@Bacony_Cakes]

Who accidentally stumbled across Maxwell's notebook.

[@thenetherone1597]

A kangaroo would make more sense I suppose. I don't want to get to scientific when it comes to fictional magical creatures but reptiles generally don't store fat like that, most just store fat in their tails and that's it.

[@hillbillyhorse9674]

The NetherOne True. Since he’s a dragon it wouldn’t really make sense if he was obese.

[@casperrabbit7254]

I thought he was a recoloured BingBong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@thenetherone1597]

Ellie White I can get behind that, he does have a bit of a Snuffleupagus vibe to him.

[@poiroze4230]

Personally for me I never really had any hate for So Sorry, I always thought his design was pretty unique and his battle is pretty adorable and quirky which fits extremely well into a game like Undertale plus the arguements use against So Sorry could apply to other characters that are actually in the game too, so overall a nicely done video!

[@bloofie9717]

Yeah, just because he's a furry doesn't mean you need to hate on him. Heck, most of the characters in undertale are furries so i don't see why people hate him

[@bloofie9717]

so i guess toriel, asgore, asriel, temmie, bratty, and catty arent anthros?

[@bloofie9717]

im confused now

[@yoshi24800]

Vanae Alcarus Yay semantics that nobody understands! :D

[@hunlepto2239]

A furry is who like anthro animals (so i am:) ). We sometimes make fursonas which is his/her personality and an anthro animal (sometimes it's kind of mixed).

[@ElFreakinCid]

Short version: Sam donated a large sum of money to support the game, which he'd been interested in since day one of the demo. Sam and Toby then worked on a character to use, as per the donation incentive, Toby himself picking Sam's fursona out of all his characters. They even made the character's personality the total opposite of how Sam and his fursona normally are, to the point where Sam's friends initially thought ALPHYS was Sam's character for the game, and then went out of their way to make sure as few people actually find him as possible and it's clear as crystal that he's not a canon character. Then upon discovery of the character, people who hated him to begin with began trolling around and everyone harassed Sam so much he can't even be mentioned in the artbook and his name had to be removed from the credits, all because people were under the impression that this porn-hating artist inserted a porn OC into the game. On top of this, a lie then got spread that Toby hated having to include the character and named him So Sorry as an apology to players, when Sam came up with the name as a reference to Dad Jokes, and then another one claiming killing him doesn't ruin a Pacifist run. Even shorter version: People are dicks.

[@candypoweredrocket]

Shortest version: tumblr: no

[@srbrant5391]

I'm certain that So Sorry got his name because Samael _knew_ that he'd get shit for it. He's pretty self-deprecating.

[@pandorascrow]

Even shorter version: tumblr: >Triggered Noises

[@tophatoctopus1997]

shortester version: fuck you

[@samuelberry8267]

ElFreakinCid My name is Sam and I have a cousin named Toby

[@thegamerstg1811]

I dont get why people are getting mad at So Sorry for being a furry character even tho people draw undertail toriel.

[@verycoolguy3209]

toriel isnt a goddamn furry but people who draw undertail are furrys

[@MeidoGhoul]

well... toriel kinda is a furry, sorry to burst your bubble there, pal. just cuz she's a monster don't change the fact that she's an anthropomorphic goat. also most, if not all, Undertail artists aren't even in the furry fandom.

[@verycoolguy3209]

Bethany // TheKeikoIsALie why did you burst my goddamn bubble

[@platinumx7743]

Speedyblupi ... (•_•)

[@everybodyknowslego]

The Gamers people aren't mad about the furry aspect it's the "inflation" aspect that disturbs me deeply. although So Sorry himself is pretty adorable.

[@JeremyBX]

Everyone else: _"I don't get the controversy around this; it's not like anything bad was put into the final game."_ Me: _"...What the hell is a butterdragon"_

[@epicKerBallze]

yea whats a butterdragon

[@Puyopuyotsu]

Bruh butter dragon sounds like some candy

[@DARS_04]

He was to thicc for Undertale.

[@gigaswardblade7261]

im assuming he called it that because hes yellow and likes drawing it with a ridiculously fat body

[@GippyHappy]

When she's got a good body, _Butterdragon-_

[@SirBroadsword]

What I wonder more is why, despite both having been purchased at the $500 reward level, Muffet was afforded her own unavoidable boss encounter and a total of three separate rooms (two unavoidable ones) specifically dedicated to her, while Glyde is not only a mere regular encounter, but is hidden away such that most players never even realize he exists.

[@artisticfox_vw]

You can actually avoid Muffet's encounter by buying one of the two spider stuff you can find at the ruins and then eat it during the beggining of the Muffet encounter

[@SirBroadsword]

@@artisticfox_vw That still counts as encountering the encounter, my dude. X3

[@artisticfox_vw]

@@SirBroadsword Well, at least it ends quickly so it's almost as if the encounter didn't happen But yeah you're right

[@Xenshi.]

@@SirBroadsword responding to a comment that’s replying to your 4 year old comment. Must be a blast from the past, huh

[@Puyopuyotsu]

I believe he requested that

[@agentstorm4975]

not gonna lie, i thought So Sorry was an Australian kangaroo with hair lol didnt know what a butter dragon was but idk, i still thought he was kinda cute lol

[@spentrocket2295]

Same

[@suleimansghk]

i thought it was an elephant or “bing bong” from inside out

[@agentstorm4975]

also valid!

[@samc.productions929]

xD same

[@shadow_shine3578]

@@suleimansghk sameee

[@krealyesitisbeta5642]

Samuel: “Let’s try to not stir controversy.” Toby: “Makes sense.” The internet: “You’re trying to start something Samuel!” Toby and Samuel: “WTF.”

[@Legoguy9875]

I can understand people recognizing the character and disliking the origins; it's understandable that people would find a distaste for that sort of thing. I agree that it wasn't really worth causing a fuss, however. Hell, I would never have known where the character came from if I had not seen this video. I would've assumed it was either a fan made Undertale character or something that Toby drew when he was bored and put into the game as an Easter egg.

[@gastounmanar9814]

Why would you find distaste for a character who is just plus size.

[@gamercentral2417]

@@gastounmanar9814because it’s like MEGA obese, at that point that’s just a kink. Like one of the weird weird ones

[@QWERTY708100]

I like So Sorry. Not really the fetish part, but his spritework and song that plays.

[@thrice_cube]

KEK Brand Cheese Spray my favorite song is the part that goes, "Beep Boop Bopaboopadoop Papoop Dibbity Doop"

[@princegoatcheese9379]

Sounds like Goof Troop music to me.

[@RoleplayHost]

I like So Sorry because I can kinda relate to them

[@cakoo145]

i agree it's just he fetish and stuff i don't like

[@MF_Triston]

stephan crump metal crusher

[@The_Foxymew]

This... This is a controversy? For real? Jeez. People get up in a tiffy over the strangest things, huh. Personally found So Sorry to be gosh darn adorable myself, I wouldn't have known it to be an outside creation at all, he fits well for my tastes. I just don't see how people would get so pissy about this... Oh well, differing opinions, I suppose. -Cheers.

[@TheSweetSpirit]

That's because it's your thing. 'He fits well for your tastes' is a poor reason to accept something. That said, I've got nothing against So Sorry and nothing about it fits my tastes, I took it more as a self-insert character and was glad it was hidden away instead of the actual game. Just like how the fantrolls in Homestuck were just shown for like one page before being obliterated on Homestuck, haha. I didn't know the character was even vaguely related to any kind of fetish/community besides 'furry' before people peeked into the fan's art gallery page. Even then I don't give a shit, I'm just amazed a video was made on this so long after Undertale's release. Saw it in my recommended page and went "Whaaaaat?"

[@papayer]

Sweet Spirit how the fuck is finding something enjoyable "according to your interests" a poor reason to accept something, if the character itself holds no relation to any fetish or sexual innuendo? what you're doing here seems more like you're trying to cop out with the ass backwards implication that he's fine with the character simply because he's a furry too. I too could draw the relation between a irl murderer enjoying curb stomping babies and an avid GTA player being a repressed rapist, following your logic.

[@TheSweetSpirit]

You're sort of right about me 'implicating' the person I responded to, but seriously Look at Foxymew's name. Look at the avatar. Is that person not a part of the anthro/furry community? I thought it was a safe assumption to believe So Sorry ((The Undertale character.)) could fit 'in their tastes' I even said in my own comment that I have nothing against So Sorry myself. I admit I worded my comment very poorly. It was meant to be more of a general statement to his general statement of 'Their tastes'

[@papayer]

Sweet Spirit fair enough. sorry if I came off as vitriolic in any way.

[@TheSweetSpirit]

Kay I won't edit it in. KZbin is being dumb and i'm too lazy. Regardless, have fun on KZbin.

[@AntiFaGoat]

Look, I don't like inflation fetishes but it's stupid to say that the character shouldn't be in the game. Hell, maybe he's a vacuum monster or something like oogie boogie and just can eat a lot. Wouldn't be too weird for any rpg monster. Also, in a world where we have papyrus with spaghetti coming out of his pelvis on a dakimakura, this is nothing to insult undertale.

[@TheBonkleFox]

It looks like a typical armadillo character to me.

[@Skeemac]

Inflation fetish is a thing? What?

[@TheBonkleFox]

Skeemac I'd rather not explain it.

[@TheBonkleFox]

***** well then look it up on furaffinity or somethin'. I don't have time to tell you about every fetish in the fandom.

[@tamonk9054]

Snowflake Productions yeah to me he doesn't look fat

[@KaikeTsU_n3kO]

I'm good friends with Samael's partner and I also have chatted a few times with Sam themself, and they're a big sweetheart! Yeah, okay, big fat stuff can be weird for most of y'all--even I find it weird and I'm a fat fur artist myself--, but it doesn't make it inherently sexual nor does make 'em a bad person for doing it, even if the intention were actually fetishistic. Furthermore, Sammy never intended to rub a fat fetish in the face of any player anyway. The result was just an adorable plump nerdy dragon--pretty much the real Sammy, but a few pounds slimmer. Yo, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody nor themselves, each to their own. Not to mention I've seen creepier shit around from fans of this game as well.

[@KaikeTsU_n3kO]

Thanks, @PKWeeGee

[@keiths2902]

Of all the evil and cruel things in the world, being a furry or having a thing for fatness are sub zero on that list. I hope they’re doing well, the internet can be cruel ; n ; To me anyone who would pledge 1k to the arts, to something indie, something they believe in is a wonderful person

[@judsongaiden9878]

I used to do collabs with Sam-Sam on deviantART (look up Iggy Hazard if you don't believe me) and I can vouch for them pretty much being "the original Alphys" so to speak. Only they're even more of a right-brain introvert (as anxiety-ridden artistic types tend to be). Their pronoun of choice was "he" back in the day (2006-ish).

[@judsongaiden9878]

@@Emyr_r Some people is hypocrites. Also, they tend to act like it's their first day on the internet. Also notice how they're all for LGBTQ, but freak out at anthro weight gain. It's not a fetish for everyone! For some, it's a phobia. Lots of artists use their phobias for inspirado. Also, if it makes it easier for some people, they can think of forced weight gain as a form of body horror. Not all body horror has to be done in the style of David Cronenberg (which is the kind that would give Alphys PTSD flashbacks).

[@VinVonVoom]

@Teendroid, The Angsty Robot Why is anything attractive? The things pretty much everyone's into are quite illogical but there isn't anything wrong with that.

[@missconstruct6968]

Considering the Rule 34 of this fandom, no one has the right to dictate other people on sexual kinks

[@Keithoboi]

Yep

[@samiam2003]

FR

[@samiam2003]

​@@Keithoboi Right

[@Chillipeffer]

Based

[@Sephiroth69]

Real

[@vaporrvvave]

Wait you actually have to change the date on your computer to meet So Sorry??? ...Toby thought of everything.

[@thewitheredsouls]

A&B or you wait until the actual day and time XD

[@vaporrvvave]

LittleGlitchyGirl lol true die-hard fans might do that 😂

[@painfulscreams5474]

I have a question about something in undertale. I'm not sure if there is an answer but if there is it may be an interesting video. If human souls persist after death, why does Frisk's soul shatter when they die?

[@iampinball3669]

the soul itself is probably attacked or over-determination

[@gabrielaviles3691]

I'm not so sure but when you kill a monster (nonboss) it completely shatters as in you can't see the soul. when frisk dies his soul only lasts a few seconds so maybe when they killed a human they put the soul in a containment jar to preserve it. and the only other time this happens is boss monsters as their souls are relatively stronger.

[@nd35780]

If they had no determination, they wouldn't be able to use the save points and reset.

[@satriosukarji1777]

I think it's because of the need to "go back" after death. So after they die, they shatter their own soul (instinctively I think) so that they may release determination around them, just enough for a save file load since determination is needed to do that.

[@greatduck5297]

here is something I wanna know.... Perseverance and determination mean the same thing in English. SO THEN WHAT IN THE WORLD IS DETERMINATION?!?!?

[@desirerivalzx3193]

I find it funny how this gets so much controversy and hate but no one gives a shit about whoever made underlust. and because most of it characters are animals that au is a fur-fic

[@ShadowFox64]

Nice advertisement dood.

[@xcrackervolleyx]

Meanwhile I'm still laughing at Toby carrying a sandwich.

[@epicKerBallze]

@@xcrackervolleyx N-NO WAY. THE FUCKING LEGENDARY HERO

[@NavnikBHSilver]

I am laughing my ass off. The fact that the OC of a fatfur made it into the game and especially that people are making this apparent fuss about it.

[@nickname5447]

Navnik BHSilver that guy is an idiot, and so is Toby. toby won't even show his face

[@fwunkinell]

+Nick Name Nice bait mate

[@nickname5447]

Oh sure, pick on the guy who agrees with you. Whatever.

[@nickname5447]

I can,

[@legenddarkrai]

I haven't seen so much anger and tantrum because of something so little and insignificant in a LONG time... and not to mention that just because of one more minuscule thing, the entire furry community gets even more hate. As it comes and goes, I suppose...

[@pilotfish3338]

That is the first time I've seen Homestuck mentioned next to Undertale with any significant importance. I'm proud.

[@Underlab]

How strange! I've always felt Homestuck was hugely influential upon Undertale... I would have expected someone to have pointed it out sooner than I did 8)

[@pilotfish3338]

Underlab Nope! Homestuck is not as well known as it deserves to be, despite its strangeness, and I fear it never will since it ended last April. I think its major influences on Undertale were the strangeness and the music, otherwise, Undertale was kind of its own thing.

[@uncreativerandomness1239]

Sky Pilot "It ended last April" *laughs*

[@leelopez5601]

Well, Andrew Hussie did say in one of his update notes that he's friends with Toby. It kinda just says that their style and such is similar in terms of strangeness and weirdness (but making stories still loveable despite their stupidness haha).

[@pilotfish3338]

Luna Plays They are very friendly to each other, for sure.

[@Underlab]

I would have finished this video a lot sooner had my friends not been pestering me on Pesterchum so much! Hehe... Feel free to tell me your take on the matter, though please try to remain civil! 8) If you enjoyed the video, please like it, share it and upvote the Reddit post! Thanks! www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/5aekzv/the_truth_and_controversy_behind_undertales_fan/ Edit: OH AND HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!

[@cheesewizard8943]

Underlab hello

[@GeorgTheGr8]

Hey underlab, you should actually do a playthough of undertale doing things that you haven't done before yourself!

[@Underlab]

Maybe sometime!

[@Underlab]

Salutations!

[@nathanricketts2415]

Bonjour!

[@willaville]

They are ALL furries in undertale. If not, they are anthropomorphic (Sans, Papyrus, MTT. Grillby. Gaster. Perhaps more.) Most tho, are furry!! Toriel? Asriel? Asgore? The bunny merchant? Undyne? Alphys? effin monster kid? Muffet? Royal k9 sentry squad? Tem? Aside from Frisk and Chara, and 6 other hearts of humans that have no active role here and I'm not sure they even count, NO ONE THERE IS HUMAN! WAKE UP!

[@bronghusphidalski522]

They're not furries mate they're monsters By that logic I guess the folklore myth about werewolves is all furry shit then innit

[@lulub517]

According the the furry hate base though, anthropomorphic animals or animal-like beings with anthro traits are considered furries. So I don’t know whether it’s changed depending on what kind of creature or not, but you can’t make any anthro animal character without being treated like shit on the internet anymore.

[@cofagrigusfan24]

so he is a butter dragon..... sorry but in my eyes he is still a kangaroo, fits with how he looks & his outfit

[@LakritsUwU]

i thought he looked like Alphys.

[@jellybru6807]

I'm Dead inside =D *TRIGGERED*

[@GarryDumblowski]

Who knows, maybe Alphys is just a really fit Butter Dragon.

[@maxgarcia231]

nathan prins dragons have wings?

[@GarryDumblowski]

Max Garcia you can't see them on his battle sprite.

[@TheBonkleFox]

There's no controversy here. Just leave Samael alone. Admit it, half of you would've donated the money to see your character in the game if you could afford it. Just because he draws fetish art doesn't mean he's a bad person. Neither does the character in general. Said character is genuinely affectionate and is one of the few that doesn't want to hurt you. Why does no one ever look beyond someone's interests anymore? If a guy likes something weird nowadays, he's automatically a douchebag. It's a horrible way of thinking that needs to stop soon before this world goes to shit.

[@Underlab]

I assume this is directed towards commenters, because the video is mostly positive towards Samael 8)

[@luckyducky7819]

I'll agree that THEY need to leave the guy alone, but as an artist wouldn't have payed that much just to have my character put in a game. I mean, I wouldn't even pay 15 to have my favorite artist draw my character. I feel like I'll just make a game to have my characters in. Don't you think 1,000 dollars is a little much for that little part? Besides, so sorry is adorable. Except for when he's smiling and has his eyes wide open.

[@TheBonkleFox]

Lucky Ducky Either way, I would've donated anyway because I like the idea of seeing a game come to fruition. Had I known what an enormous shitpost the game would be, maybe not. But no one could've known that (although I did have a hunch, so eh.)

[@luckyducky7819]

The G-Wing I would have donated to help a game get made, but that's for the game and not to insert my characters in it. I believe in crowd funding a game/supporting a game before its officially released, in fact I did with We Happy Few, and I still don't regret it to this day. Its just, if the people making WHF said "Give us 1,000 bucks and we'll put your character in this game", I still wouldn't.

[@TheBonkleFox]

I dunno. Nobody's ever asked Samael why he did it. They've just blindly hated without asking why. Or is that just me being an ignorant fuck and overlooking basic psychology 101 again? It's probably the latter, isn't it?

[@orkoborko1920]

Aged like milk, this guy helps run a discord server that enables predators 💀💀💀💀💀

[@Pherellion]

which guy video creator or the so sorry contributor?

[@orkoborko1920]

@@Pherellion So sorry/Samael

[@Pherellion]

@@orkoborko1920 horrifying, is there like publicly available evidence of this?

[@orkoborko1920]

@@Pherellion Look up Samael in context of "Floraverse" (the discord in question) Resources: StopScamimingArtists blog The House That Mosnters Build (youtube series on how awful the people in Floraverse are, does not cover Samael's involvement but he was discovered to be an admin in the server on another account, "Sunbe"

[@The4thRemnant]

Personally, I think So Sorry is adorable. His origins may be iffy, and the fact that he got into the game may be disappointing to some, but Samael knew the risks when he made the donation, and both Samael and Toby knew the risks when planning to put So Sorry in the game. That could be why he's a secret, out of the way character. And think about it. At least it isn't some typical anime dude. Either way, without Samael's 1000 dollar donation, Undertale might be a totally different game.

[@DamageMaximo]

an "anime dude" would have been cool as well, but so sorry was better, sorry animephobe, but that's the truth.

[@renatoteixeirarangelfilho5946]

@@DamageMaximo animephobe might just be the dumbest word i've ever heard

[@amonsteriguess1033]

@@DamageMaximo one, they're not an "animephobe". the reason they said so sorry would be better than an anime dude is because it would make no sense. two, "animephobe" is the dumbest thing anyone has ever typed

[@lycanrocmare2341]

@@DamageMaximo “Animephobe” 🤡

[@roryrousseau111]

Butterdragon eh?? And all this time i thought So Sorry was a kangaroo....

[@TailsClock]

I wish more videos like this had been made early on. The lies and rumours about so-sorry got so out of hand, but I guess it also happened quite quickly. It's just so sad that Toby himself was (I believe) the first to tell people to stop bullying the main funder of the game. So-Sorry is an awesome guy instantly for his donation, but I've never ever seen fanart of him that's not offensive, or hear anyone simply praise him. He did more for Undertale than most of us and we shat on him. This is going to be a permanent stain on the fandom. Damage has been done.

[@arianimates79]

I will now make So Sorry fanart that that is not offensive

[@freddywilliams9837]

There was a bit more So Sorry controversy, as well. See, some people got upset by killing So Sorry, as they said it was like trying to kill Samael directly. I think that was a little oversensitive of them. If So Sorry's in a game where he's able to be killed, then he's bound to be killed by curious people.

[@Underlab]

I agree that's a bit oversensitive! I'd call it a mass overreaction towards a videogame character from both sides.

[@DJBSharpMusic]

Big ups to the butter dragon, though. I don't care if he is a furry. Sam loved the game, and gave generously to help it be awesome.

[@pizzweak580]

Those pictures were scarier than my halloween decorations

[@Jonloo1]

I don't blame you for hating it, but it's clear that the art was not made for an audience for your tastes.

[@flyingsky1559]

bibi poopy That sounds nasty by itself. "Not made for an audience of your taste"

[@tehterminator3605]

@@flyingsky1559 I think he just meant that most fans of Undertale don't like fetish art

[@happyhour4670]

“It’s clear that the art was not made for an audience of your tastes” I don’t think fat burp art is made for anybody LOL

[@WizeDemon]

I really saw nothing wrong with this character, would fans be hating on it this much if it was created by Toby himself? I think not. No matter what character the payer put forward, fans would of found a way to hate on it, such a shame really. I find the character to be cute and fits in well

[@CompletelyNewguy]

it's not that, it was origin of the character and someone spilled the beans most likely out of spite.

[@samiam2003]

​@@CompletelyNewguy Right

[@PolarPanda73]

Am I the only one who thinks So Sorry is related to Alphys?

[@skipperkippz456]

Am I the only one who thinks Monster Kid is related to Alphys?... probably...

[@emokistudios9041]

+SkipperKippz456 No you aren't the only one friend.

[@skipperkippz456]

Emoji Joker okay! ^u^

[@closotezuka]

they're both lizards i guess

[@luckyducky7819]

Its because Sorry and Alphys are both generally shaped the same.

[@amyblann92]

I had literally no idea or even the slightest thought that So Sorry was a fursona before watching this video, so I think Sam did a good job of compromising with Toby to make the design fit better into Undertale.

[@crustylemon2410]

If so sorry represented something, i would think it represent how artists always have to apoligise to offended people

[@_imperiumromanum]

Exotic butter dragons. m E M E

[@mako7246]

M E M E S

[@mako7246]

*proceeds to shamelessly self advertize on how i sell cancer videos and cancer video accesories*

[@inkdude]

Alex Attack Gr8 meme m8 i r8 8/8

[@ledaajna9836]

M E M E S *butterdragon intensifies* seems legit

[@completeanduttertrash5396]

that meme died really quick.

[@NylaTheWolf]

I love So Sorry in all honesty! I don't get why people get so upset over what this guy draws. It's his business and his alone. Let him be! It's not something I'm into, but if you like it, you like it! Who gives a crap about what you like as long as you're not hurting yourself or anybody around you? Besides, not all furries are into sex :I It exists, yes, but many furries are into more innocent things.

[@5H4NKTH35HARK]

I'm so happy someone actually knows furries aren't sex addicts, or like bestiality, some are really screwed up and have sex with actual animals, and that's nasty. I'm a furry, and I just like anthro animals, I like to draw them because I find them really cool, one of my favorite OCs is a nord warrior dragon named Iizdiiven, she's probably the one thing I'm actually proud of in my art.

[@arianimates79]

@@5H4NKTH35HARK I agree with you guy, gal, therian, or non-binary pal, furries are always potrayed in the same breath as zoophiles, which, let me make it clear: Zoophiles are not part of the furry community. They never have, and never will. While there are some furries that are into 18+ content, there are people like that in every community and fandom. Not just the furry community.

[@spnnofficialchannel1285]

⚡👨🏿⚡

[@Indigospade]

Originally much like muffet, so sorry was going to have a more substantial appearance with a theme in his encounter being about artist inspiration and confidence. The idea seemed really cute but the concern over potential controversy is what relegated the character to secret boss status

[@bringerofchaos]

Those people that have a problem with butter dragon... really don't understand the point of Undertale. That just because "monsters" looks weird and/or scary, doesn't make them any less an interesting person or maybe even a friend worth having.I hope they get it one day. I am Determined to believe that they will. Mercy>Attack always.

[@toddsimmons6452]

I understand clearly the message undertale is sending. But an inflated furry drawing is an inflated furry drawing nonetheless. Absolute disgusting and Cringe worthy. That being said I don't support the hate. That was just unjustified.

[@TD0150]

I've seen much worse fetish art.

[@pizzahutkidman8806]

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me, we are on the internet after all

[@reformedorthodoxmunmanquara]

The Trolldier oh yes they really go that far

[@FoxyPercival714]

Neo-Robia.... I just threw up in my mouth.

[@trikeducket7004]

Same here...

[@NeutralOfficial]

yeah like "scat vore fisting cum dump"

[@Derp1819]

Bruh, hes a kangaroo wearing a hat, that does art. Nothing more.

[@fawn5159]

Dragon*

[@heikkirantanen9042]

This is what pyrocynical gets off to

[@judsongaiden9878]

I used to do collabs with Sam-Sam on deviantART years before Undertale was even a twinkle in Toby's imagination-go-nuts (circa 2006-ish). I'd describe Sammy as a gentle soul and that's what I always like about them. Okay, so maybe their *soft* side is *softer* than most (yes, that's an anthro weight gain joke), but so what? Sheesh! Some people act like it's their first day on the internet or something!

[@jocelynecupcake]

that little Undertale character thingy... he reminds me of Rocko form Rocko's modern life. Who else agrees?

[@candypoweredrocket]

Only 90s kids will remeber

[@sterlingfarley5156]

Underlab, I'm actually glad to see something as controversial as So Sorry to show up in one of your videos. At least you have the guts to talk about such a heated topic, rather then just act like it doesn't exist, like most other UT players do. Even if the whole matter has already settled out, it's nice to remember and look back on these things that happen. If people are spouting hate at you, you're doing something right. : ) Also, is it me, or does it feel So Cold right now? Can't wait for some True Lab theories :D And one last thing for you hate-spewing internet trolls: saying that someone with a fetish can go die, just makes you seem more suspicious in other's eyes about the same subject (At least in my opinion). Go ahead, Flame me for defending them, I dare you. I couldn't care less. Keep up the good work, Underlab, you've gained a loyal sub today :-)

[@Underlab]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Comments like these warm my icy, synthetic heart.

[@rugalbernstein5913]

Sterling Farley not disagreeing with the full statement, but just saying, getting hate does not necessarily mean you're doing something right.

[@sterlingfarley5156]

Rugal Bernstein True enough, but I've kinda learned that lesson the hard way. If you're hell-bent on wanting to do something, nothing will stop you. I suppose that was more of what I was looking to say. Yeah, I'm not good with wording things properly, my old English teachers can vouch for that...

[@candypoweredrocket]

Guess you could say that when they find out he not LION about that, they should be... SO SORRY?

[@AceTheDragon3]

Man, people make a huge deal out of anything nowadays, don't they?

[@omegachavez]

yuge deal wot?

[@fbihacked2757]

AceTheDragon3 you can say that again

[@literallygaston2489]

omegachavez It’s not really “nowadays”, people has always been like that.

[@5H4NKTH35HARK]

AceTheDragon3 mate, your profile pic is beautiful. Its nice to see another dragon furry, I don't see a lot of us dragon furries. Anyways people are just jerks and think furries are demons or something. It most likely be because he's a butter dragon, because apparently having different opinions is bad during this day and age, and if you have a fetish, the most common fetish, you are classified as non-human.

[@boogaloobender3462]

>says the guy with an anthro dragon pfp

[@ramblingmushroom6157]

Why do people hate this guy if its literally a dragon....with a hat and jacket......and loves to doodle.....what's the problem exactly?

[@jellybru6807]

one word: Furries but technically, the Monsters are like furries so...yup

[@leogeo220]

it's a fetish character.

[@w0ng659]

Otherguy Is there anything sexual about him when you see him in game tho?

[@LinnyUwU]

NO THAT’S WONG! There isn't...

[@Magicarpmaster]

@@leogeo220 and the fandom fetished the rest of the characters.. so whats the problem?

[@ConnorTheUndying]

He's just another monster, to me. It's a self insert for a contributor, just like the Tems or Annoying Dog are for Temmie and Toby.

[@Chaud31423]

You could say he felt... So Sorry for the contraversey

[@candypoweredrocket]

Ayyy

[@brandonm.6139]

A y y y y

[@livesathome2475]

A A A A A A

[@randomgravityfallsfan8761]

Y Y Y Y Y Y

[@ordinarypen8369]

So the character is controversial because it offended sensibilities and "muh furry cringe". Only in fandoms this stuff happens. A normal person wouldn't really care about the character's origins as long as there isn't anything sexually explicit in the game itself. They would only care about the final product, really.

[@judsongaiden9878]

Some people act like it's their first day on the internet.

[@lulub517]

As much as I love being in fandoms... there is also a bunch of complete pricks. They try to shove their opinions and hatred down your throat till you choke and do it so much and so often that you give up on the fandom entirely. It’s sometimes really hard to find the right people in a fandom, but it’s nice when you do find good people. You can make friends and share thoughts and just talk, but It just makes life harder when people tell you to “Kill yourself “ or that “You’re cringe” just for making something different or having a different opinion.

[@flaregamer64]

Maybe that sandwich is what made his delay. Beacuse it was so tasty that he delayed the game for 2 years XD

[@thatdaybeforetomorrow2290]

no it was so big not delicious. if it was delicious he would eat it fast meaning no delay

[@WasabiKitCat]

I like to savor delicious things.

[@InuyashaTT]

As a writer, same

[@yuriMartyr]

Maybe the sandwich was the best sandwich Toby had ever eaten so he became so happy but then sad he had eaten it all so he worked hard on UNDERTALE to drain his sorrows.

[@yayamonday2770]

tbh, I always saw So Sorry as a funny one off character and as a Kangaroo and only learned about this drama now

[@PichuBro8]

I always thought So Sorry was really cute. I didn't know it was a sexual thing till now... Still really cute though. I also thought So Sorry was a girl till now too.

[@StrikerTheHedgefox]

So Sorry itself wasn't really meant to be sexually related anyway, it was just a modified version of the fursona of the person who donated $1000, their fetish being quite irrelevant in the end.

[@JCOdrjones]

Striker The Hedgefox Still nasty.

[@PichuBro8]

I think he's adorable. He's like Alphys and Napstablook merged together into one adorable rabbit-kangaroo thing.

[@shadowwwwwwwwwww]

+Guypersonmanthing3 please don't say that about him.

[@ledaajna9836]

Guypersonmanthing3 Underpants reference

[@WhatTheCheick]

I guess things got BLOWN out of proportion.:^)

[@omegachavez]

Out.

[@endurabledude4264]

Dont make me get my forum weapons.

[@Underlab]

lol

[@candypoweredrocket]

You should be SO SORRY for that uncalled for pun! Grounding you would surely make you feel HOMESTUCK, so you get a warning

[@zachcrawford5]

Its weird that people will play and enjoy a game where a goat monster basically adopts you, you date a male skeleton, befriend another skeleton and a fish monster then date a female lizard monster but then immediately (in the same universe) go "eww fury!". Like really? THAT's their line they won't cross? Dating an animated corpse and a reptilian monster (as a child) = fun, but FIGHTING a furry persona = AHHH! WTF! I just kind of see furries as "yay mascots!" or "the real world feels more like a video game when your around! Awesome!".

[@Exarian]

Samael is literally the coolest person I've seen that's related to this game in any way. He's a chill guy and honestly as the game sorta fades into memory, he's been one of the handful of really good things I continue to enjoy about the game going forward. y'all need to chill.

[@redhead05071]

I always thought Alphys and So Sorry would be good friends

[@furrtakuXD]

considering what the undertale fandom did to toriel and other characters makes this somewhat less shocking

[@MissJukeBox8]

Interesting. I had heard that So Sorry was the result of the fantroll reward, and I was confused why they didn't really look like a Homestuck troll.

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

I vaguely heard about this in an iceberg video and wanted to know more about the situation, thank you for going into it ❤

[@savagecabbage9850]

I'm the 1% who thinks So Sorry is super heckin cute and deserves all the cuddles

[@oasis9009]

I feel like So Sorry’s name was in apology to Samuel for being so hidden.

[@KariCoolia]

Honestly I didn’t see anything too bad with this guy, he got to be in a game and we should be happy he got to, sure it might’ve been based on the guys fetish and yeah I’m not into what he’s into but it’s not like they implemented the fetish into the game other than making him fat I’ve never understood why people get so upset over so sorry

[@redroses0880]

the butter dragon is cute wtf are people even mad at

[@jaded151]

THANK YOU so much for covering this topic. I could not find a video on this topic

[@probablypastel1943]

If So Sorry is a *Butter* Dragon and he is always sorry for everything... even the art club meeting... you could say he SLIPPED UP. cuz he's a butter dragon? slippery butter? lol

[@dingbat3440]

I always thought this character was heavily influenced to Rocko from Rocko's Modern Life. So weird to know where it came from now.

[@Velineco]

the hate was uncalled for, man. especially when Toriel, Asgore, AND Asriel are the epitome of "furry"!! nice vid. +sub

[@hanyuuhiiragi3544]

I'm not even a furry and I don't see what the fuss is about. Even if the source makes people cringe, I just think that it's something someone poured their heart and soul into. and even if I don't like it, they did. Besides, there's worse things in the world.

[@needthistool]

Just finished Undertale for the third time (ending with the evil, total-murder/genocide run) and am now poking around for little bits and pieces that I missed like this mini-boss! Very cool upload on the backstory about this character. IMO fair and well put together. Thanks!

[@tabbender1232]

I can't believe we missed the opportunity to have a troll in Undertale

[@jessiriesbeck4421]

Awwwww..... Butter Dragon....... So sorry,it sounds cute to me! So sorry.......

[@Jonloo1]

Nobody can blame you, really. The idea of a chubby dragon is fucking adorable if you ask me, but the content Samuel delivers is clearly not for this audience. (Most of it, atleast...)

[@jessiriesbeck4421]

bibi poopy Dragons are love..... Wait...... Sans as a dragon..... I HAVE DISCOVERED MY LIFE'S PURPOSE! (Runs like it's the start of the Hunger Games and like I just got my acceptance letter to Hogwarts on same day) FOR NARINA!!!!!!!!!

[@hunlepto2239]

Of course he's cute since Samuel made him as a kid:)

[@cldwolfe6481]

@@gishath762 nice job posting on a year old comment to harass some one just because they think a chubby dragon would be cute, not all fat characters are inflation, doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

[@kiarawolfe4723]

cldwolfe64 don’t feed the trolls, let her insignificance fade just as her foolish possible hate will

[@phyllisdurr4113]

Uh... that was the controversy? I was thinking the whole controversy was about how So Sorry dies and acts... If you ask me, I feel like a him being a fatfur wasn't that big of a deal.

[@Underlab]

Just check out this video's comment section to see the controversy so to speak in action, heh :P

[@KarcharodonAstra]

So, a hidden, inoffencive dragonfurry is worth a damn good sammich? Ok. I'm ok with this.

[@shps18]

Fact: during underlab’s patreon intro section, it is actually So Sorry’s boss fight music!

[@phrotonz]

Thanks Samuel! So sorry is my favorite character and Wrong Enemy ?! (His theme) is my second favourt theme

[@debesys6306]

I've heard of So Sorry, I saw Mithzan fight him in his playthrough of Undertale, his pacifist route, but I didn't even know there was controversy. I just thought So Sorry was a cool Easter Egg.

[@bobrichardson9525]

Soooo, apparently a Character that bares links to a fetish OC is the spawn of Satan... HOWEVER FRISK X "GOAT MOM" IS COMPLETELY FINE? Like seriously, that's basically fucking child porn! And don't get me started on Papyrus X Sans (shudder)...

[@MeemIsGosh]

Sans x Papyrus = brotherly love

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

Eh I honestly hate this lol, putting your bad self insert fetish character in a non sexualized game is just not appropriate and I think the guy should've straight up have drawn a character for the game Like be a furry, be a creepy fetishist, that's cool, but keep that outside of actually cool things

[@plutototoh]

I actually never knew the rumors were false! Years later, I see something that clears it up. Thanks!

[@HerobrineSings]

The guy who created So Sorry is actually a really nice guy. I see stuff from him all the time. He never deserved the hate he got. The game has no sexual content and the character is very cute. So if you are someone who hates on him because the character was basically a nsfw OC then you need to realize you’re getting pissy over a OC. He is not the first and will not be the last OC used for nsfw reasons.

[@elzebub5]

I understand why people are upset over the fetish stuff, but people over reacted. also.. people will whine because So Sorry is a “furry” yet Alphys, the dog’s in the game, Toriel/ASGORE/Asriel, Muffet, Undyne, Catty and Bratty and probably more characters are anthro animals/insects/fish whatever.. like.. seriously? Maybe I’m biased because I’m a furry, but like.. for real?

[@verysadcatc7897]

This age like milk.

[@MKG-2033]

How?

[@googoogaagaayt]

Yeah, how?

[@bugonboris6681]

@@googoogaagaayt Because we found out about a new thing that Samael is doing and it's not pretty at all.

[@jr1zg7kt3g]

So Sorry is actually my favourite character of the game tbh

[@Okeana_Aster]

Undertale is 6 years old, and even though I know of So Sorry for quite a long while, I never fought him, nor ever heard of that controversy. To me, he's more like a relatable character since he's, just like me, a self counscious artist.

[@JooseNerd]

I know nothing of Undertale, but I'm slowing easing in & I heard of this being thrown around here & there, so this video came to me at a nice time. Thing was, The second you said 'Samael D. Butterdragon' I immediately went "OHHH THAT's Why that thing looked familiar" And then it all pieced together from there. Hilarious, Love it.

[@Robin280497]

Next episode about Alphys and the True Lab?

[@MechanicOrga]

This reminds me of the Colossal Kaiju Combat kickstarter, where a few fursonas were put into the game. Two of those being an obese T-rex and a green kangaroo.

[@KaikeTsU_n3kO]

Sounds like Duncan and Macroceli (I've never played the game, but I know two guys that fit that description)

[@xiantrit5887]

I liked so sorry as a character, but the fetish he was used for is disgusting. I honestly still don't know why people cared, because despite knowing his orgin, I still liked him as a character.

[@hillbillyhorse9674]

theawsomeman60 Ikr

[@tehterminator3605]

That wasn't the Undertale character So Sorry, that was Samuel's fursona. There's a difference

[@desmondruhling]

I was just browsing the soundtrack and saw the comments, which eventually lead here after a string of searches. But, this was quite helpful. Thanks!

[@MarbSoda]

I always really liked how unique his battle sprite is, and the music, it’s a neat little Easter egg

[@smurfadoodlethewise4584]

Lightsaber dong, Onceler-tier incest, entire alternate universes set up around sexualization or any general fetish... I don't think we've got much a right to go decide who's "weird" or not on this matter.

[@SBproductions12]

I personally thought So Sorry was a girl

[@reformedorthodoxmunmanquara]

SBproductions12 really? huh

[@SBproductions12]

Enderrocer GD Yeaahh... Thinking about it, I have no idea why xD

[@reformedorthodoxmunmanquara]

SBproductions12 Is it the hair?

[@SBproductions12]

Enderrocer GD Well, Alphys is a yellow dinosaur, so with that in mind and the "Hairspray"-isk hair, I guess my mind was just like GIRL haha

[@reformedorthodoxmunmanquara]

Ahhh I see

[@inkdude]

I like bacon

[@inkdude]

a continuation of I like eggs

[@antumus3989]

what about eggs Benedict

[@szarkuwu]

SanSational Sans I like Exotic Butters

[@inkdude]

SanSational Sans he is always with us

[@inkdude]

Fifek900 who doesn't

[@FoxyPercival714]

Now this is best character, not trolling.

[@zinzamoure]

Could someone tell me the song in the intro? I mean like, I recognize it, but I would just like to know the name.

[@novaryx]

The Drummer Girl undertale