The Tube Sock Killer

[@evans134]

I'm gonna get you ghost face 6:40

[@mrfrost4064]

One day I’ll be on time

[@heather_whatever]

Great job!! 👍🏻

[@mattbourgoyne3613]

After going back to take a look that fella looked like a nat on my phone playing peek a boo or something

[@Michellee970]

SCREAM, dude!

[@creepercolton0854]

Grrr, I was just coming it take my prize 😂

[@brianadam123]

The phrase, "Mommy's in the trees" is haunting as hell.

[@technicalout9547]

Sooo frightening. The visuals I got were awful.

[@Siile_]

For sure, straight out of a horror movie

[@NoNo-hi2qc]

"Mommy is in the trees" reminds me of "Their in the trees!"

[@noahnoah2747]

@@NoNo-hi2qc from what?

[@xhdjssisks1850]

@@noahnoah2747 a lot more than a little while I think it's good to work for you to be a bit late 🤍👍🛎️🛎️🛎️

[@jerryhamer]

This dude must have a great memory. He tells these stories like he was there.

[@marlonius05]

the script is bottom left... you can see his eyes dart towards his right several times...

[@calibre_official7387]

I'd you play among us you'll understand. Mr.ballen kinda sus

[@QuestionThings123]

Do you not pay attention to how many edits you see in his videos? I guarantee he remembers it all in short burts, then edits it all together well. He is good though, not knocking his storytelling any.

[@discoguy5878]

He reads a script my brother

[@jackfitzpatrick668]

And do you not notice the cuts?

[@yourmicrowave7997]

this guy was a eye witness for every single story he tells i swear

[@tough1231]

Nah bro he was in the trees writing it down navy seals style

[@JJCG4MES]

He knows all

[@thedemomanclassfromtf2402]

He was the dad the crocadiles the diver in all of those army groups all of it

[@hamoodali9347]

He is google hahahaha

[@GeekRaj]

yeah lol he tells it like he was there.

[@Gawlakman]

The fact that some of these stories involve murders where the killer is still at large is terrifying

[@koheletsmoger2327]

lets just hope none of us are in Mr Ballen's stories

[@sixthhaddock8216]

@@koheletsmoger2327 And let's hope that the family gets closure one day.

[@grajammellor660]

Yeh the fact he could be sat getting a buzz off listening to his story on Mr ballen

[@nathanallen8703]

You’re telling me I live in Tacoma 🤦🏼‍♂️😂

[@geemonster9179]

I have a friend in Oregon who i'm going to visit in the near future, and i've always loved the wilderness and forests, but i wouldn't stay out there unless we had at least one weapon between us

[@TheNesapotamia]

"If he's dead that calls into question his ability to do these crimes". That's some top-notch detective work, right there.

[@vaiteatefan4761]

😂😂😂

[@omotayoajose3751]

Homer simpson style 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nighthawk154]

He could’ve killed himself afterward or he was dead during the other killings which is why it LEADS TO QUESTION it 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@brendonjones4948]

Possesion

[@ztm9551]

But then why other murders

[@robinwagoner7217]

How sad, for all these years everyone considered him a murderer, maybe even his own family.

[@charlotte6154]

0-0

[@thelikebutton7290]

🥺🥺

[@thecaribou8833]

The elders likely died thinkimg that and hating him too :/

[@charlotte6154]

omg 600th like 0-0

[@negroleague2]

@@thecaribou8833 Then they met him in heaven and said "Hey what are you doing here?"

[@gabrielphillips7308]

Who else can’t stop watching this guy

[@allaboutbeebo4092]

Me

[@emersonertz9144]

me. ive watched 20 videos today alone lol

[@snaxalotl3021]

Yeah whenever I watch another video other then MB, his videos pop up EVERYWHERE. They may as well pop up in my damn house

[@josephsnyder1401]

Big fan here! For 1 he served for are country, so a big shout out to John ballen for that. And this man is a incredible story teller! I even find myself watching repeats sometimes and engaging in them even if I have already seen it before. He has such a good on screen presence and good Pronunciation while telling his stories , I could see him being on television.(like a reporter or one of those outdoor life in the wilderness kind of shows, lol). Thank you for letting me share 😊 and sorry about the long txt that I just made much longer by apologizing for the length of the txt.😃😄😂

[@michaelmerritt9657]

👋🏾

[@lisahinton9682]

Today in 2022, the little baby would be about 39. I hope she's living a great, happy, healthy life. She no-doubt witnessed some terrifying situations out there in the woods that day.

[@pitchblack2304]

Crazy stuff, I'm in the pacific northwest, Seattle to be exact, my wife is 39 and my names mike...dunno why I had to say that.

[@MommyTiffany]

@@pitchblack2304 I just told my husband that we're never going camping near that river. Ever.

[@pitchblack2304]

@@MommyTiffany not without a big group lol

[@TyeArtisik]

Yes, I'm sure she's good

[@userunknown1578]

@@pitchblack2304 Dude might have to bring a whole pack of tube socks.

[@leonardoramirez3903]

“If you live in the Pacific Northwest of the United States...” me: Aw fuck

[@b226tj]

Don't worry, here on the East Coast (TN) we have creepy stuff as well, I was once walking along a tree line and heard an animal walking by the tree line; Still don't know what it was but I think it took one of my cats.

[@masteryoda2861]

B226 T&J wait your saying a animal killed your cat

[@b226tj]

@@masteryoda2861 I think so, we live in a very rural area and at first we thought it was a coyote but I'm not so sure now.

[@masteryoda2861]

B226 T&J well coyotes sometimes attack cats and dogs when their in the woods and sometimes attack them in the backyard their living in so I would say it was a coyote

[@b226tj]

@@masteryoda2861 I thought I mentioned this earlier, but it sounded very large definitely bigger than a coyote. I only heard it's footsteps, but it still scared me because the cat that went missing around that time was known to be able to fight just about anything.

[@iamiski8822]

channel teaches me a lot of things: no caving, no diving, no woods at night and no working in the middle of the sea.

[@tracemullen1812]

The woods alone at night is definitely much sketchier after watching mr ballens video😂 I always think I'm gonna be the next missing 411

[@starmunching]

I read this as "no walking in the middle of the sea" and I was like .....duh 😂😂

[@Silas-lc9op]

And if you do have to go into the woods... have a lot of weapons, knives, grenades, trip wire, C4

[@Silas-lc9op]

@@starmunching Definitely dont want to walk in the middle of the sea. Its not a good idea 😁

[@enevy3165]

No caving, no diving, no cave diving, never buy a house that's pretty and cheap, do NOT camp in any of the national parks... And torment the like button.

[@risuuuuuuu]

I'm so glad they found Mike and gave that little girl closure, she probably grew up being told her dad was a monster, she probably couldn't remember anything about the killer but now she knows her daddy would never do something so horrible, he didn't turn her life upside down and did love her.

[@aircatcher4115]

Stop you're gonna make me cry

[@kane00000]

Imagine getting murdered and then having your name dragged through the dirt. Having people be so stupid and spreading false information. That would suck penis

[@TheRealNicolasJackson]

He did beat his wife tho so he isn't an angel

[@Emma88178]

Well her "daddy" was still an asshole in the fact that he abused his girlfriend. He's definitely no angel.

[@Emma88178]

@Anonymous Commenter What the hell? So you're okay with abusive men? Way to victim blame there. Even if a woman is violently attacked by their partner for no reason, you seem like the type who would still try to find something to blame the woman for even if it wasn't her fault at all. Also "hysterical" men exist too.

[@jenlove797]

I can't get enough. My doctor at new England Sinai hospital watches him as well. We bonded over mrballen. This channel has helped me so much. Thank you

[@ayanna.h.lanette]

When I saw the title, I immediately assumed a guy was really out here beating people to death with a butter sock.

[@piti7102]

Same! I had to make myself listen to the beginning seriously because I kept waiting for them to discover a sock covered in melted butter...

[@_Curanes_Rex]

I imagined a guy standing there with red-white tubesocks, an axe and nothing else...

[@ayanna.h.lanette]

@@_Curanes_Rex Oof, I think yours is more terrifying, the last moments of his victims would have a whole other level of discomdort and fear😭😬😬

[@jimiesoteric2417]

Lmao butter sock

[@itsbecky_13]

Sam Puckett is the murderer 😂😂

[@evanosburn718]

Police in 1986: Dude definitely did it, close the case Police in 2011: I've always had doubts about that case

[@teagueturner2552]

Too true

[@TheDreadedJuggernaut]

It was more logical at the time because he was nowhere to be seen. After time passes and he's still not been located at all, it becomes more likely he's deceased. When it comes to serial killers, the only real way to catch them is red handed, forensics, or most likely eye witnesses. Much better for the public to draw a logical conclusion then let the news publish about an unknown serial killer.

[@steenpeen8517]

@@teagueturner2552 now you’re w red

[@Georgica284]

I was born in 2011

[@current9300]

Huge amount of police work where conclusive evidence isn't found is usually "I dunno, maybe it's like this, it's most likely I guess" territory when cases are closed.

[@becca652]

Another reason Mike didnt do it: why would he leave his car, and how would he have driven Crystal to the kmart when his truck was still in the forest? What car was he escaping in?

[@Cheekfats]

if only police were that curious and smarter

[@jamesreney2210]

@@Cheekfats Detectives aren't stupid, and knowing some, I can tell you that they DO care. They do the best that they can with the evidence that they have.

[@sneersh9107]

I guess theoretically he could've left the forest, dropped off his daughter, and then driven back and left his truck there. That doesn't make much sense though if he was trying to flee the area surely he wouldn't leave his truck. It was pretty obvious to me that because they didn't find him or his truck immediately he had been killed as well

[@sadanianghane2008]

@@sneersh9107 there should be tire tracks that they can trace then

[@jeromepowell1392]

They thought he drove the little girl to kmart then drove back to the forest lol

[@nataliedulaney8347]

As terrible as this all is I am happy whoever did this did not harm the little girl. I hope she is living a good life and can someday get closure.

[@gregorteply9034]

She ODed and died.

[@ericaespinosa4030]

That's what I thought too. As horrible as this horrible, evil killer is, thank goodness he didn't kill the little girl. As a mother, I would say to my murderer, please spare my kids!

[@Randy-qm8hu]

@Nashiuz Zaman you need Jesus

[@sam-ht6qv]

​@@ericaespinosa4030Maybe these couples were assholes?

[@Safe-and-effective]

This is a bit off topic but if that's you in that profile pic, you are stunning and I would date you in a heartbeat.

[@Shinyloog20992]

"Mommy's in the trees." has got to be the most horrifying cryptic thing I've ever heard.

[@No-.-one-.]

*I thought of her mom jumping on the trees* o.O

[@wonner0]

And the most unhelpful

[@godzilla362]

@@wonner0 Oh, I'm sorry for the baby whose parents were probably killed right b4 her eyes for not being totaly articulate about a serial killer.

[@Emerica771]

@@godzilla362 calm down it’s the internet

[@jamesreney2210]

@@godzilla362 Think about it, what, 2 year old, could be "articulate" about a stranger, busy killing her parents right in front of her, plus she had to have been utterly terrorized by what she saw, and probably, her mind, atleast partially, "shut-out" the memory of the horrors of the vision of what she did see.

[@winterrichards9850]

I’m a fan of the strange, dark, and mysterious delivered in story format all day everyday.🥰

[@scorpio1804]

me to

[@AlexHammered]

As well as me

[@cuckoocheetah]

Lol same tho😝

[@fredtopaid]

Same

[@amare2657]

SAME!

[@1204nvb]

“When he is dead, that call’s to question his ability to do these crimes”.. give this man a raise!! Love your work!

[@JustKelso1993]

@Fat Poopy Nice name.😂

[@justacontentcreator8722]

Top 10 veterans in youtube community kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnXdh6umptyHpbM

[@whitewolf1112]

Thank you for your service Mr Ballen, keep up the good work. You are a great story teller.

[@masonritchie86]

They should open a sock store nearby that has mostly tube socks and just wait for him to show up. He would obviously be a regular customer lol

[@moreldjosetro4956]

Lol🤣

[@YourOwnWay]

Or just outlaw tube socks. Threat neutralized.

[@armanimillet1219]

Lol that sounds like some good ass bait 🤣

[@mistyfied9]

im still on the part with mike but how you kill someone wit a tube sock other than choking them

[@sh4rk62]

I mean if you want money....

[@angelabaker2326]

Mr. Ballen,could you do a story on what happened in Land Between The Lakes?I can’t remember what year,but they found a family dead at a camp sight.People say they were tore apart and one was found up in a tree.Seems like a real interesting topic for you to dig into. I love listening to the stories you tell.Thanks for bringing us all these stories.

[@oreganomuffin699]

boosting this comment

[@wolvie1618]

Oh goodness that sounds awful. Definitely right up his alley

[@dinarusso3320]

Supposably the family was torn apart by an unidentified species of a canine... that's what they discovered from the DNA, fur and saliva from the bites... Dogman

[@AmericanAnarchy666]

Shout out to us who didn’t find mr ballen on tik tok but out of pure luck and been here since his podcast days!

[@sonicthehedgehog5355]

I didn’t find him on tiktok. I found him on my recommended a couple of months ago. I don’t know anyone that found him on tiktok lol

[@aidanharder7694]

Yessir He was on my recommended in like May

[@CeeJayThe13th]

Just came into my recommends last month. I'm glad he did.

[@camix3229]

@@sonicthehedgehog5355 same

[@dfl98]

I still haven’t seen him on my FYP!

[@ReyReyI-mx4sd]

It's super cool to hear the stories because I fish down there along that River and I see the crosses up and I had no clue but it all makes sense now

[@KillianGrenier13]

"mommy's in the trees" it's possible that the killer dragged the mother away, killed her, and tube sock guy said "mommy's in the trees" in an effort to comfort her during the 20 mile trip back it's also eerie knowing that the killer was potentially stalking Mike for months/years when he was setting traps. probably overheard him monologuing about his GF

[@hansvonzisimann44]

Or her mom was Vietnamese (Srry i had to)

[@KillianGrenier13]

@@hansvonzisimann44 lol

[@johndough2902]

@@hansvonzisimann44 BRUH 😂😂😂

[@owliki3848]

@@hansvonzisimann44 wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@balderii7340]

You might be right, the killer told her,...

[@rubenbalcazar7873]

KZbin: “Video released 21 seconds ago” Me: yessssssss

[@octo-.9041]

Same

[@anarchydmz]

@Taps fan r/wooosh

[@orbszfn]

@@anarchydmz that's not a r/woooosh but ok...

[@bruhman4001]

i like how this is 21 hours ago lol

[@xmega5175]

9 + 10 ? 21

[@justamemer9903]

“Mommy’s in the trees” .....that sent a shiver down my spine....

[@Terri_MacKay]

That was like a line in a horror movie...I got goosebumps. 😱

[@dannymiller3315]

Dont give stephen king any ideas

[@naanacleland8411]

@@dannymiller3315 ikr 😂

[@La_Loca_Armada]

That broke my heart but yeah

[@safexx]

Truly heartbreaking

[@bromandudeguy4626]

I can't stop watching this guy. The ones about people getting stuck in different places and eventually dying gives me extreme anxiety.

[@dylanwilliams2726]

I really like whenever you say "80 miles" you actually give the conversion as well. I'm from Canada and I get very intrigued by these stories that I like to picture aspects of it and the conversion to kilometers really helps me imagine it without leaving the video to convert it

[@JacobC479]

I feel the same when he says meters lol

[@bcshooterfmjprime7540]

5 and 8. 5 miles is 8 km. 50 miles. 55÷5=11. 10×11=88. 55 no = 88 km.

[@Emma88178]

​@@albigensiac3206 That's not really "Americanisms" though. A lot of things he says is not actually what I have said, and I'm American myself. I would have said floor instead of ground for example. Also I've only ever heard local people in my area say tour-ist as well. It depends on which state you're from since so many Americans have different accents/dialects, culture, etc.

[@dl2k671]

@@albigensiac3206 90% of canadians will visualise better with imperial measurements this commenter seems to be an anomaly. Almost all canadians use feet inches etc... over stupid metric

[@matthewgartner5339]

Heres an easy ratio for back of the envelope math. 3 miles = 5km.

[@breannahoshnic2274]

I wonder if that little girl remembers that night. She’s probably old enough to understand at this point, that’s super traumatic.

[@alenadurisova6590]

Hey I am glad that I remember to put my pants on...

[@WynneL]

Mercifully, she was only a tender two years of age, a mere toddler. I say mercifully because memories don't really begin to form until after the age of 4. Her brain wasn't developed enough to be able to retain solid information about what happened.

[@vexingrabbit1824]

When a Child witness something like that they go through alot of stress on the mind and as a defensive measure the mind blocks those events to protect the girl's mental state. So even when she grows up she won't be able to recall much of what happened as her memory is fragmented of the event and can only recall disturbing visuals and sounds that destroyed her psyche. As a result all those broken disturbing visuals and sounds she witness turns into what her brain can only translate the event of "moMmy Is iN tHe tReEs". When she grows older she would need to see a expert therapist to be able to translate what in the hell happened. and since he was a toddler what ever happened is probably trapped in her in the back of her head unable to wrap her head around it.

[@pruett694]

@@vexingrabbit1824 things like this with little kids is how you get DID (multiple personalities) and disassociation, etc. Unfortunately 2 is old enough to be traumatized for life. :(

[@elavke5441]

@@WynneL that is so untrue

[@KeikilaniKai86]

This is insane!! I was born and raised in Tacoma! I still live here and have for 35 years and I’ve never heard about the tube sock killer! That really freaks me out because I used to go to Nisqually to walk the basin all the time! Just sends shivers down my spine to think about the fact that I could’ve easily walked by a body or even the killer himself without ever knowing!

[@papiderpy]

you mind walking back by there at exactly 9:35pm on September 8th, 2021?

[@KeikilaniKai86]

@@papiderpy abso-fuckin-lutely not!!!

[@ryanbolander6117]

@@papiderpy 😆

[@paranormalbaconghost]

I used to walk and live by the place where they found bodies the green river killer killed. I didnt know that til later. That creeped me out.

[@jayryker8261]

@@papiderpy 😆😂 🤣

[@joshhayward6229]

I thought I would mention Mr Ballen you would also make a great news anchor , the way you talk and describe things with minute detail and enthusiasm is ADMIRABLE

[@desertweasel6965]

Can you imagine the relief when this little girl saw her grandmother? Im so glad her grandmother was there, because she probably looked like a caped hero to the little girl.

[@shame2189]

The ultimate relief that girl must've felt was so strong I experienced it too, because god was it a relief to know her grandmother arrived to her support

[@jacobgarvia1065]

I thought it said a clapped hero

[@michaeldoran4367]

Rollercoaster Tycoon- Naked man runs across the screen wearing flip flops. Weener dangles side to side making slapping sounds as the tip slaps on the skin. Rollercoaster Tycoon makes a very interesting ride where naked men have lots of weeners are floating around called WEENER forest

[@askeletonwearingatophat7582]

“Mommy’s in the trees” gave me the impression she was hung, or something it’s highly possible that the killer killed the dad as the mum and kid took off to hide potentially in a tree but I still don’t understand why there was blood on the passenger side of the car and the letter in the dads handwriting

[@coreytravisbean]

I have a theory. The dad fights off the killer as the mom and kid run away. He is stabbed near the truck and is dying, meanwhile the killer leaves the dad to die and runs off to chase the kid and mom. The dad(hoping that the mom and kid get away safely) knows he is dying and wants to tell his wife that he loves her one last time. So he climbs in the truck and writes it down so she will see it when it's all over.

[@askeletonwearingatophat7582]

@@coreytravisbean that’s a very solid theory

[@jeannietarantola5526]

Maybe he( the dad) had someone kill them both,but the killer didn't have heart to kill the kid.

[@Kenpachi0Sephiroth0]

@@jeannietarantola5526 And he also "had this killer kill more couples" before that too for no reason?

[@BornIn1500]

No. The child was saying "she's in the trees" the same way that a grown person would say "she's in the woods" or "she's in the forest". The child probably just saw their mother being taken into the forest (trees) and not come back.

[@leapinglizard3937]

It took 25 years, to finally know that Mike wasn’t the killer. That time must have destroyed his loved ones , mentally.

[@FullyCharged22]

I don't see him being ruled out by the police, and it seems he is still suspected.

[@kickazz9473]

@@FullyCharged22 How? He was literally buried lol

[@FullyCharged22]

@@kickazz9473 After watching the video, I looked up what information I was able. Mike had a violent background and he was originally the suspect, the fact that his daughter was dropped off safe and sound, seems like a classic case of (a word to unfriendly for KZbin). Based on the recently discovered evidence of a fragment of bone, the police said he "may be another victim" but he is not ruled out, and there is no way to be sure he didn't cause his own death.

[@vikingdogmanship]

@@FullyCharged22 so he killed 5 other couples in that area?

[@FullyCharged22]

@Wales Eakes It seems that is the obvious conclusion from the police interest. I can't answer if he did or didn't.

[@OtomoTenzi]

Yo, Mr. Ballen! Just a friendly reminder, that life is always so much better with cool and awesome people like you around!

[@peachesncream781]

I love this guy, he's one of the only horror story tellers that I an actually watch and not feel completely depressed afterwards bc he presents it in a non over dramatic way. He's awesome at what he does and he even converts the measurements for you!

[@SilveniumTheDrifter]

Who are the other ones? So I can watch them too!

[@peachesncream781]

@@SilveniumTheDrifter fascinating horror, horror stories and then there's one other I can't remember that is really disturbing. I'll try and look for it ☺️

[@dora5037]

Same

[@leschatsont9vies]

saying this with a depressed Snape as avatar lol

[@ysph]

i dig the guy with down's syndrome's channel too. there's something incredibly sincere about the empathy in his voice that you don't get from many narrators. what is it **********? something like that. you gotta love the internet. *********, that's what it is. that's pretty crazy to think about. i wonder if he's rich as fuck from doing that stuff? i bet he is, which is a little bit heartwarming. sometimes the internet redeems its ugly self in pretty beautiful ways. folks like that don't get lots of opportunities to become successful. i really dig it. actually on second thought, i'm going to edit out naming dude's channel. if you watch this content you know who he is.

[@ravensdawn430]

I forget about the secret everytime because I'm so engrossed with the story.

[@JoJo-lg8hr]

Same lol

[@rickjanssen8317]

Lemme guess if I ask what the secret is I’ll get “we’ll it won’t be a secret if I told you”??

[@barkeyb2401]

@@rickjanssen8317 its the scream face right?

[@emilholk9053]

Same

[@veracity_yt8572]

Bruh same😎

[@-MR.Nobody]

Its insane how the cops didnt link The fact that there were four other couples that had been killed in the same area. Also, didnt they search the forest with dogs? Wouldnt they be able to find Mike even if he was buried?

[@1100blake]

Killer was probably one of the retired detectives

[@FirePuncher183]

@@usr21882 yeah but it's pretty stupid not to link those together as they happened

[@kailua0094]

@@FirePuncher183 yeah but remember before finding mike most everyone had already thought mike was the killer so they wouldn't have thought there was much relation besides same area and that they were killing couples because they thought Mike did it and so why would there be reason to connect the killers?

[@FirePuncher183]

@@kailua0094 I mean they're all couples all look similar and all of them were kiIIed in the same area that's too many similarities

[@WolfQueenLydia]

Depending how deep he was buried, the dogs wouldn't have been able to smell him. The fact he was only found so many years later he was buried pretty deep it seems.

[@InNotOf395]

I’ve been straight up bingeing this channel for over a week now! It’s crazy that I’m coming across this particular video on the 37th anniversary of Mike & Diana’s murder!

[@koheletsmoger2327]

Its crazy the person who did this hasn't been brought to justice if they are still alive

[@musa5950]

@@koheletsmoger2327 maybe he was arrested for an unrelated crime

[@Cocoroot]

You are legitimately the only KZbinr that I can listen to for hours... your story telling, delivery, and style is god tier. Keep doing what you're doing. Hope to see you at 20 million subs if not more one day.

[@liamgannon9474]

i can’t sleep after watching his videos, rn i’m too scared to get up to use the bathroom

[@JohnSmith-yt5mf]

@@liamgannon9474 I'm pooping with the lights off right now. It's safe.

[@daltonevans3412]

Check out count dankula. The guy is hilarious and is also a very good orator, he's one of my favorite storytellers.

[@roycejohnson3715]

This guy and his stories have got me through hard times just his demeanor and the way he tells his stories has helped me with depression big time...with my mom and uncle getting covid, my grandfathers cancer coming back, and me being homeless from losing my job and home from covid it's been rough but Mr. Ballen has given me something to look forward to with his channel and that might seem stupid to some but to me that means everything..thank you man.. sincerely...and thank you for defending our country...we love you brother

[@temperstar8411]

@@rat686 Would you lose your clothes and phone if you became homeless?

[@temperstar8411]

@@rat686 ... I don't know, thank God I'm not homeless

[@DustinSrLenzo]

We see this all the time nowadays. People somehow have a cell phone with data and internet but are homeless. They must make enough money to afford their phone plan but not much else I guess? Probably charge the phone at a Starbucks or phone charging station at a clinic or something. Either way, not my place to judge. If I was homeless I would still want my phone with data lol. God bless, we all go through struggles in life. I pray you find peace and comfort

[@nina9789]

I totally understand. I hope you will be ok soon.

[@ericajames5038]

@@rat686 speaking from experience when I was briefly homeless I still had my cellphone most of the time, I would bum phone cards off family/friends for minutes on my prepaid, use wifi and outlets for my charger at local wendy's, coffee shops and shit. You never know what desperate people go through unless you've been there yourself unfortunately.

[@fredm.9031]

Ghost face at 6:41. I love your storytelling man. You have a way of pulling your listener into the story. It's truly a gift. Keep up the good work!

[@ecchylevy9057]

I was 2 secs off lol

[@fredm.9031]

@@ecchylevy9057 I was too at first then went back and slowed it down.

[@hemmingtait]

I used to watch this channel 2 years ago i just got this video in my reccomended man i love this guy

[@preciousjewel750]

Can u imagine the power serial killers feel when there see their stories on tv without getting caught

[@preciousjewel750]

@- Astor - did u kill someone?

[@tres8003]

It’s like letting out a massive fart and nobody pays attention

[@dfis3616]

@@tres8003 this...this is accurate

[@GrammarSplaining]

That's one reason to not publicize them -- yet somehow keep the public aware of the danger (rock, hard spot).

[@johndough2902]

Lol

[@olinmarinell1575]

Why is this mans green screen so goddamn good

[@peoplenewstoday]

Proper lighting.

[@Solon_The_Lich]

Pro Tip: He is in his personal serial killer dungeon

[@tygrrrmoore9815]

@@peoplenewstoday Is that it? Or is it a combination of factors, because I kept looking for the green screen tell tale signs and so far - none!

[@johnkrevis865]

Not a green screen

[@HaHa-fp8of]

@@johnkrevis865 ur right he’s actually recording on a lake

[@lilahbeans]

“Mommy’s in the trees” that gave me full body chills as crime junkie would say

[@provinginsanity]

Me...I'm the crime junkie lol but yes it did!

[@byxitsjh6fdh631]

IM SO GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT FOUND THIS FROM HER

[@jamal2982]

Mommy was just playing vietnam war. No need to be scared

[@cuorenero5076]

This bloke knows how to tell a story, just a natural, very clear detailed just great.

[@innaf7623]

Another story from the pacific northwest that should deserve a video: the soap lady of Lake Crescent. Her body was found soapified after three years of being underwater. And due to the conditions of the lake, it was the perfect conditions to make her body soapy which eventually floated up to the surface and the questions started popping up. How did she end up on the bottom of the lake? Who murdered her this way and tied her up before throwing her into the lake? What were their motives? Fascinating story and I visited the lake, never would've guessed that there's such a dark mystery tied to it. (Maybe let's get MrBallen to cover this story???)

[@kathleenedwards8472]

Oregonian here and I’ve never heard this! My aunt lives near the lake. Looks like I have some googling to do.

[@Rfsi]

Yedy

[@babybirdsmommy1]

Maybe say something on his sub reddit?

[@supposedhumanmars]

I was born, raised, and at 40, still live in Western Washington. This state is....weird....to say the least.

[@turdfurgeson2032]

Her husband beat her to death and dumped the body in the lake. It happened back in the 30s

[@ronnypierson1589]

Literally nobody else I’d rather listen to tell these stories 👑

[@charlie.patton]

Yuuuup.

[@stephanierollins4492]

Exactly 🤗

[@jennricker9731]

Sammeeee

[@SIRTROLLZALOT]

What’s your mos devil

[@slipstick6668]

CorpsHusban

[@Nostalgic_1]

I NEVER see the hidden image because I am too enthralled by your story telling! 😪

[@LBzarro]

It's ok mommy M

[@HappyDoughnut1]

I have only seen two out of numerous videos I have been watching for the past two days. Of course the videos I have been watching are from months or weeks ago.

[@cairokwame5230]

Me too

[@koenkanter7872]

6:40 on the bottom

[@NunyaBusiness-kv3cg]

Wow no one ever commented this before

[@Crimea_River]

Great, as someone who lives in Northern CA, I'm going to use this story around the campfire to scare the crap out of people. Thanks Mr. B!

[@katherinecohen9524]

Bro they named their daughter Crystal and then they said that they had a Rocky relationship😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤ 1:46

[@cjb2749]

#1: I don't necessarily believe that Mike was buried. This stuff happens way too often, where searchers overlook evidence or remains, usually because they searched right around the area, but didn't hit that specific spot. His bones were probably scattered because of animals. #2: I think it's pretty clear that Mike was killed in the forest first, then killer came to where mommy and baby were waiting in the truck, killed Diana in the front seat, then dragged her body under the tree where it was found. Crystal saw all of this, and, of course, was in shock and only 2yrs old, so she probably blocked out the murderers face, but she saw her mom left under the tree, then the bad guy grabbed her and took her to the kmart. It's really unfortunate that they didnt have security cameras there.

[@jdmustard2557]

What about the note though?

[@rupeshkaushal2888]

Also this killer probably had a daughter of his own

[@josuemendez2358]

Maybe the killer knew there was no cameras there

[@richardclifford003]

@@rupeshkaushal2888 No. The little girl was never the target. I had suspects who were age, gender, and race specific. It's like ordering off a menu. If the menu doesn't have that specific meal, they're not hungry.

[@veasey3997]

I’d like to say the body got replaced. Waited until the searches were over and put it right back. The note could’ve been forged so all of this would look like Mike.

[@Arizona_Ranger]

"avid outdoorsman" will never sound the same after I discovered this channel lol

[@grandma650]

Your pfp is terrific

[@grandma650]

Wait no I meant terrifying

[@chrrispy3650]

@@grandma650 says you

[@Calvert1212]

Now it means dead guy

[@royslapped4463]

I'm now an avid indoorsman.

[@lynx1079]

Imagine being called the Tube Sock Killer...

[@ElveeKaye]

All the good names were taken.

[@hypnoticwar740]

Says the tube sock killer, we got you now.

[@wafflesthearttoad6916]

Next killer name: flower kitty rainbow killer

[@ericblair9756]

I would go with the Crocs killer

[@WhoisKell]

@@ericblair9756 how would he use that? Lol killing with a croc? 🤣 all victims survive..

[@scartgo0820]

Damn…was about to turn it off and go to bed, but you had to say “if you live in the Pacific Northwest, you have to pay attention to the end of this video…I already have a hard enough time turning the IPad off when I’m watching your stories, now I HAVE to watch this one or I won’t be able to sleep tonight…of course, I probably still won’t be able to sleep after hearing whatever I’m about to hear about my home….but go ahead and bring it Mr. Ballen! It’s hard to believe I still haven’t seen all the videos!

[@snowblindart]

I am a blind artist. I love your channel so far. It was recommended to me on Coffee House Crime channel. I love the story format. Although I have a tiny bit of vision I can't follow All the images normally. This makes it lovely to follow along. Thank you!

[@24get24give]

I like the coffee houe crime guy, too, but, ballen is my go to

[@scintillam_dei]

A blind artist? Better than a modern artist.

[@Metaltophat5497]

I always love how in some of these professionals can’t find the things they’re looking for in the woods with planes and shit but some civilians can by just walking

[@daave365]

Probably kinda hard to see a red pickup covered with snow on a logging road from the air

[@37HoneyMilk37]

@@daave365 ye, probably

[@eatwhatukiii2532]

I can’t find my own hairbrush or car keys half the time digging my entire house apart to look, but then a friend can just glance around and BAM, “It’s right HERE.”

[@37HoneyMilk37]

@@eatwhatukiii2532 trust me, that's totally normal.

[@fbiagent3998]

Fr it's always the civilians finding the murder scenes, like imagine the trauma 😭

[@pixleattack]

Some of these videos get me too scared to leave my house, and the rest get me to scared to stay inside it. It’s a conundrum...

[@yeetusdeletus4304]

Pfft

[@hiigghhggg9150]

I’ve heard of this case before, but damn I feel bad for Mike. I know he didn’t seem to be the best person, but he was a murder victim too and everybody just started saying he was a serial killer like wtf

[@justsomedudeyouknow8372]

Makes sense tho. They couldn't find him, and since many crimes are generally committed by those closest to the victim it makes sense they would think that.

[@SHORYU616]

If you are the tube sock killer in this story, post a comment down below for your chance to win a prize!

[@zapsfn8421]

Yo

[@zapsfn8421]

Where my prize at

[@timklafke4712]

Zaps FN is actually an imposter. Stop tryna take credit for my work smh

[@theeunknown3988]

@@timklafke4712 How dare you! Stop taking my credit, that's just rude!

[@cerex5798]

Y'all something else 😹😹

[@WireGamingTV]

Mr Ballen is the best storyteller on KZbin, undebatable

[@AlexHammered]

Your darn right

[@dodobird8687]

Yes you are so right

[@user-pc9oj9ci1r]

Mr Nightmare and Mr Ballen are the 2 elites of KZbin story telling, they’re both different but great story tellers

[@c.thomas841]

I love how it just feels like he's talking to you he's not reading out of a book or a script def love his way of story telling been binge watching for days

[@scintillam_dei]

Damn! I was just about to start a new channel called "Mr Ballin' " where I dribble a basketball while reading stories from a script!

[@bmfsnc8466]

found your page about 2 weeks ago, trying not too bindge watch too hard so I aays have several episodes a day to watch, but your channel is so good, it is hard to resist binging them!

[@lukebennett.]

Ever since I've learnt about the strange dark and mysterious in story format I can't stop watching

[@lunar-firefly]

That's terrifying. I don't live far from where all this took place. So much for dispersed camping on my own. Is it me or does the Pacific Northwest seem to have an alarming amount of serial killers?

[@MercuryRyzen]

I was just noticing the same trend. Seems an awful lot of these stories come out of the Pacific Northwest and Vancouver area. Either that or those are the stories the YT algorithm enjoys offering to me...

[@OGYouTubeEnjoyer]

Where is the Pacific Northwest? Washington? Oregon? LOL!

[@RH-tv9hk]

Yes I think all four west coast states are in the top 10, maybe even top 5, for having the most serial killers.

[@burtknighten1873]

It's all the rain

[@Umberto2]

It sure does! 😳

[@TywgMedia1876]

Imagine Mike being in that forest every day and the serial killer is watching him and never decided to kill him until he had a partner with him 💔

[@williamlee7482]

That's a scary thought and is a possibility

[@gmiller831]

But why the multiple stab wounds?

[@gavinfairbanks]

They only tied socks around the women in this story. Maybe the killers marks are the adult women and the men are incedental.

[@salemcrow5078]

@@gavinfairbanks They clearly have some problem with couples, and it's somehow tied to the women (given the tube socks). Disgruntled, jealousy, etc could be the motives to kill the couples.

[@santicheeks1106]

Thats what I was thinking, cause he only kills couples, and kills women with a tube sock

[@amandaschmucker2787]

Poor Mike... Automatically considered the serial killer, before ever being considered a victim of a serial killer (killing couples by the river 🙄)

[@asphaltspreader]

Yes. he may have been a total a**hat that did not mean he was a serial killer.

[@julianrocha8076]

for real

[@edit._011_]

Right! I mean even though he had a temper (that doesn’t justify him hurting Diana at all, he should’ve been taken to court over that) why didn’t the police dig up the area around Diana’s body? If he’d killed Diana but spared Crystal that doesn’t make any sense to me.

[@REALFXYT]

@@edit._011_ fr

[@sam-ht6qv]

​@@asphaltspreaderLmfao how is he the asshat

[@GiDD504]

I can’t be the only one who assumed there was a guy with a pool ball in a tube sock that would beat people to death... I never even thought of a guy choking someone with a sock

[@NEO_RKX]

Yes you’re the only one lol cause I thought of people being strangled with a sock

[@nindysidhu4228]

I thought about a stuffed sock bludgeoning people to death, but now, I'm thinking of the indignity of dying by being strangled with a tube sock and thinking "I wonder if he wore this?" as I grasp the last bits of life I can, just hoping I don't smell sweaty foot before I go.

[@rlh9373]

Was it socko was on WWE and mankind and socko broke up and socko became a serial killer.

[@enevy3165]

I seriously thought of a guy stuffing a sock with bars of butter and beating people yo death with it i-

[@Astronomicat117]

I thought he tried to use it as a mask because people used to use hosiery as a way to hide their faces

[@gloomysunday9534]

its so sad that mike's memory was "corrupted" for so long , imagine his daughter 😔

[@paulesterline5714]

Yes however keep in mind even though she was not able to articulate it to anyone, she is the only person living that knows the true killer, and that it is not her fsther.

[@ominouspsychadelic8560]

Haha

[@floskater99]

@@paulesterline5714 Guess she doesn‘t know it anymore, otherwise she could‘ve just described the killer a few years later

[@mrmicho5553]

The fact that hikers found more bodies than police did is insane😂

[@scoliasma6532]

Yes

[@janetlieb2507]

Well of course!we have to do the work they are. SUPPOSED TO DO!!!

[@treysmith6407]

Agreed but, that is terribly sad, not at all funny

[@yorkfirepulse8724]

Sometimes when your not looking for anything you usually find... Something. Assuming the opposite, searching with too much focus yields the expected_ tunnel vision maybe

[@codeXenigma]

Its a huge area that still took hikers years to find them.

[@JEC-mf6fe]

i listen to these just in my ears while i’m working it’s quality

[@braylonwoods4594]

He’s a couple killer, tube socks come in pairs and one usually gets lost.

[@ryanm5399]

This guys the killer

[@colorgreen8728]

@@ryanm5399 I think you got a point

[@braylonwoods4594]

@@ryanm5399 shhhhh or I’ll make you shhh

[@jackfrancis9610]

@@braylonwoods4594 tube sock

[@runaway_9763]

@@ryanm5399 im single i won't die ( Ties sock around neck ) killer ya you will be fine

[@cuppycakey5013]

“He would have had to have killed himself and then somehow buried himself.” Sounds plausible. 😂

[@Kinky_Devil]

I know right

[@chaos.corner]

Musta had information on the Clintons.

[@1dirkmanchest]

Hmm Sounds like a Vince Foster situation. Better assign the volunteer fire department and the park police to conduct an in-depth investigation.

[@darrellboone9274]

About as plausible as that marine,who "killed himself" by stabbing himself 17 times in the chest,with a butter knife 😳🙄

[@marcusmcintire6683]

Today they would say it was Covid

[@DejaVu-iy8hh]

God…it’s sickening how many people literally get away with murder. If they had looked harder and actually found the bodies the first time they looked they might have found some clues.

[@SunGawdRa]

They feel pressure to close cases, so they take the easy way out when available.

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

You would have done it much better I guess?!

[@veasey3997]

Yes multiple search parties didn’t see anything. You must live in the city or something? Woods are huge dude. Additionally people place bodies back after searches are done.

[@sitcomchristian6886]

Some people only answer for it when they die. Don't worry, they'll get what they deserve.

[@scintillam_dei]

No one gets away with murder. A man reaps what he sows. Hell to pay. I did many videos proving atheist ingrates wrong about everything.

[@dawg6169]

I live in Washington and heard about this case a while ago, and I'm so glad I stumbled across this video!

[@steffenp7384]

I couldn't imagine how Mike's family felt, thinking their son was a murderer, until he was finally cleared.

[@nikitadondiva]

He was a woman beater so I doubt it was a much different feeling.

[@steffenp7384]

@@nikitadondiva huge difference between what eas described that he did, and murder. Especially serial killer.

[@nikitadondiva]

@@steffenp7384 I could see them thinking he killed his wife. I doubt they ever believed he was a serial killer.

[@Jaedyn_0]

@@nikitadondiva I mean all Mr. Ballen said was Domestic Violence, he never stated that he actually hit her... Yeah he maybe sounds like an asswipe, but doesn't rule out anything... And I'm sure that could've been detected in some way if he had hit his wife.

[@marklewandowski8474]

He was most likely the killer. Grid searches are notorious for "thoroughly searching" an area sometimes multiple times and finding nothing. Then a random hiker finds the body right in the center of the search area. It's a lot easier for the police to claim he was buried than admit maybe they didn't do a thorough enough search. But the previous couple wasn't buried. So breaks from the MO. And connecting 2 other couples that were killed (no tube sock in their cases) across decades and thousands of square miles of PNW forest is a stretch to say the least. Maybe he killed the couple because one got stuck in his trap and he panicked. Or who knows. But more probable than not he killed them (much less personal way than stabbing 17x) and at least his wife and himself.

[@TheCAWB]

This is the result when you mix "Reading Rainbow" with "Are You Afraid of the Dark" on the internet lol

[@MrBallen]

hahah

[@christinadetorio4484]

@Veira Powell same

[@meme_thief6488]

@@MrBallen hey I found the ghost face in the lower left hand corner at 6:41

[@anthonyv6128]

Bro you need to upload these stories on Spotify. I want to listen to them while working or on long trips.

[@cd254]

Then put KZbin on ur phone lol

[@anthonyv6128]

@@cd254 I want to be able to turn my phone off like with Spotify. I dont have KZbin Premium nor do i want it.

[@KryptsCorner]

You can download KZbin videos to your phone as audio files for free with a free program

[@anthonyv6128]

@@KryptsCorner yea but with Spotify once its uploaded I dont have to download anything. Just hit the play button.

[@JustJohn805]

Am I the only one that continues watching his videos to find a good one again but their never as good as that first one that got you hooked?

[@davidcox1508]

The bonus thing in your videos is cool, John. As are your stories. When one involves a DAUGHTER, though, my heart just gets BROKEN. I have 2 of my own, and the thought of ANYTHING bad happening to them has been known to keep me awake nights. I don't think they could ever understand what it meant to ME how it felt when they would cry over something and I held them, or the first time each of them looked up at me and said "I love you, daddy". I don't care how tough a male IS, when you look into their little eyes and faces, you're simply NOT a man if you don't fall HARD for them - you can't help it, and it hurts when they get older and move on, but you're so PROUD of them when they do. Being a father is maybe the hardest role a guy can take on.

[@cjcreasey9219]

I just shed a tear I’m not crying tho it’s these damn onions

[@desertshadow72]

Perhaps the tube sock killer is a dad and that explains why he didn't kill the little girl

[@johntompkins9583]

I have 2 boys and I feel the same! They're still young though so I try every day for them. That's a dad better than being a man just a man!

[@atashgallagher5139]

@@johntompkins9583 beware them becoming teenagers, as an inside source they will eventually realize you can't make them do things and from there on out it's pretty much over trying to change them.

[@jhopson5224]

Camping has been ruined for me after listening to these stories lol. What makes it worse is i live close to this area!

[@BallsTickler69420]

are you ok

[@zukoHD]

buy a gun.

[@Crustystreet123]

Look out for the tube sock killer

[@AP-yy3ve]

@Emilio Wendlandt lmao don't matter if he goes in alone he'll be dead when he is asleep

[@markhammar3977]

Dogs are awesome...

[@jaydenn01]

I honestly love that he says " we " upload every week instead of "I". I love that he includes his family too even if they aren't in all his vids 🥺🥺

[@carlindurfee7566]

He has an editor too

[@asphaltspreader]

I wonder if anyone attempted hypnosis on the girl when she got older? While not all police depts think it is viable, someones memories do emerge. It is said our brains contain all we have ever seen and heard; we just do not consciously recall it all. RIP to her parents and all the victims of this killer.

[@bunkertons]

Meh. There is a lot of evidence that indicates hypnosis is an unreliable tool.

[@RelativelyBest]

A problem is that while we may remember far more than we think we do, memory itself is surprisingly unreliable: It's not like a static video recording that always stays the same. Rather we remember things by, essentially, firing certain neurons in a certain order - making the brain repeat what went through it the first time, if you will. That order can change over time and if it does, we can't tell the difference between false memories and real ones. Because, technically, there isn't one. Not only can we badly misremember things, it's actually possible to convince people that they remember events that never happened just by suggesting that they did. Like, if the hypnotist asks: "Did he have brown hair?", that might _cause_ her to remember him as having brown hair even if he really didn't.

[@galinatileva4960]

Im also for hypnosis. Never heard for a false memories under hypnosis, they may occur in your normal conscious state, where your brain can be tricked. Subconscious can't be controlled or changed/tricked into false memories in my opinion.

[@ycuf3261]

Mr.Ballen’s stories are more entertaining than movies

[@Musabe009]

Jack and Dianne Two American kids growing up in the heartland.

[@ijustwantedausername]

Jack, he’s gonna be a football star.

[@cajunasian165]

Ohh yeah! Life goes on!!! .... Suckin on the chili dog... 😮😯

[@sirtubbs5771]

I guess life didn't go on

[@cajunasian165]

@Joanna Martin in🇺🇸 America's heartland.. 🎸🎼. Oh yeeaahh life goes on...

[@1616jaime]

Crazy how I am not very active on KZbin, yet I have watched and liked 85 of your videos so far. Your content is literally everything I am interested in. Thank you sir!

[@northenhemisphere4691]

What do you do?

[@Hama-je3bu]

Check out that chapter. Another good channel about unloved crimes and mysteries.

[@anthonywandowicz8084]

So your only interested in death. That's fucked up

[@Hama-je3bu]

@@anthonywandowicz8084 you clearly havnt watched many of his videos. It's not all about death. It's about unsolved mysteries and the paranormal.

[@grimryu5833]

When she's older I hope their daughter is able to give more clarity on what happened, an especially I hope that she wasn't hurt

[@farmsalot1233]

The daughter is older

[@DavesRange]

Whether she was hurt or not, it's in the past, doesn't matter anymore. She never said she was hurt to begin with

[@katherinewallace4258]

I’ve been watching these videos almost constantly for the past 3 days. I’m hooked.

[@keriganle4539]

I started on true crime daily and now im addicted to this channel😭. Never disappoints

[@scintillam_dei]

He once gave a story that had a happy ending. I was disappointed.

[@callyhughes57]

This story is particularly scary for me, I grew up right outside of Elbe Washington around 2011 and would play on the Nisqually river all the time. The fact that the killer is still uncaught, and I was living in the area that the skull fragment was found is truly terrifying. I would pass the logging road where Mike's skull fragment was found on the bus everyday.

[@Ki11Th3mA11Kid]

Same I live in Tacoma Washington lol

[@Matilda-y]

Ohmy!

[@SUPER_WOLFMOON]

I'm no talent scout but I feel like Mr. Ballen's ability to memorize stories and to convey them in a very dramatic way; could be something movie/tv program folks would appreciate.

[@itzyaboigamer9340]

He reads off a script and there are several cuts in the video but his story telling ability’s are still amazing

[@user-lg4vp4eq7c]

@@itzyaboigamer9340 he said he actually memorises the story the day before but he has bullet points written out w key information so he doesn’t forget beside him

[@larsondarcy101]

"If Mike was dead, then it calls in to question his ability to commit these two crimes." Ya, I would say so.

[@scintillam_dei]

First of all, I'm not fun at parties. Second of all, I don't get invited. Third of all: You DID say so. But you said would, as if you did not say so.

[@Thedogfather_19]

Yea I’m gonna call it quits on trying to find whatever is in the video and just actually enjoy it.

[@montylenhart]

It’s at the bottom it’s a picture that’s small and pops up

[@Thedogfather_19]

@@montylenhart I know what it is I’ve seen it before in other videos but it’s a hassle on trying to be the first one to find it.

[@Lupus25Mortis]

I love watching Mrballen, but finding stories like this makes me realize we have serial killers people don't know about. And even worse, it's not like old history, they are still roaming around.

[@ToniMortenson]

I think the child being terrified of her surroundings when she was found says a lot. Someone dropped her off at Kmart and it wasn’t Mike. Btw amazing storytelling!

[@MrBallen]

Thanks so much!!

[@Ximtowin]

Ur channel is so addictive man😂😂

[@soontobepro71]

@@Ximtowin frrr

[@dunhill1]

and hard to believe she was so calm and cool, but not crying or running towards KMart. All this after seeing this strange man alledgedly murder your parents in front of you then grab you and put you in his car and take off. Amazing also, that not a single soul saw a car come to a screetching halt, let out a child and speed away fish-tailing out of the parking lot. That didn't catch anyone's attention? Did they check the CCTV footage?

[@atashgallagher5139]

@@dunhill1 1986 was a time before CCTV footage existed. and the guy was calm enough to drive a child of the couple he brutally murdered 20 miles, he probably didn't need to scrrech to a halt fling her out and peel out fleeing.

[@NIRO_II]

16:09 OR Krystle was freaking out on the way to kmart, calling out for her mom, and the killer was ttelling her repeatedly that her "mom was in the trees"

[@touchstoneaf]

It's definitely disturbing when you hear a story like this about an area where you live, and that more has happened. Though I have to admit I have no idea where the heck they were hiking around in the Nisqually area, because most of that land is owned by the Army and is fenced off. There is I guess a decent chunk of it that belongs to the tribe as well, the way I always thought most of that was tidal plain. But then in that case, I'm not sure what the heck he thought he was doing trapping on tribal land, he didn't look like he was part of the tribe (though you can't always tell). Edit: Though now I see that his truck was found in an area out by Eatonville just north of Mount Rainier AKA Mount Tahoma. That's way on the other side of the freeway/ hwy 99, and definitely within the general vicinity of going to Spanaway on the way north again. Anyway it's bizarre because that's about 15 minutes from where I live. It makes me wonder if they found her at the Kmart in Olympia or one in Tacoma or Lakewood or something. Now I'm going to have to look this one up. Edit:. Ooooh, the Kmart was in Spanaway! To me that means that the killer lives in that area, because otherwise it's completely in the opposite direction from any of these other places.

[@richjames1982]

So why did you stop tying socks around their necks when you kill them?

[@hollowgonzalo4329]

Not necessarily. Why would the killer drop the child off in his hometown? Seems smarter to take the kid a few towns away from where you live.

[@TRYCLOPS1]

@@hollowgonzalo4329 maybe he was going to Kmart

[@charlotteboyett-napper4780]

@@TRYCLOPS1 yep! He needed another pair of socks

[@csmith63]

@@hollowgonzalo4329 It might be "smarter," but it's geographic analysis of crime patterns that has been the major advancement in crime solving since DNA, precisely because of quirks in how humans operate within comfort zones they DON'T leave. We had a case where I am in a red state with a very active death penalty--not active enough, but definitely not somewhere you want to get caught having just killed two police officers on camera during a traffic stop because you knew they were likely going to find your arrest warrant for murder!!! Ironically, that wasn't the particular warrant they'd found, that one not having quite caught up to him yet, but either way he decided to kill the police to escape. There followed a very intense week and a half of them searching through particular neighborhoods he was known to frequent, with most of us on the outside thinking surely he had the sense to hit the gas and go right after he did it and there was no way he was still going to be here. I was working at a juvenile probation office in the area, and it was creating so much stress they first put guys with automatic weapons out to protect us, then pulled them to try to deescalate tension, with all of us on edge the whole time. Finally, a storm was rolling in that was going to be saturating the area with hours and hours of rain just as they said they were going to cordon off and go house to house. That did it. While no one wanted particularly to turn him in helpfully just because of a snitch code, no one wanted to go down on a cop killer beef with him as an accessory, either. He was grabbed up by "unknown parties" and dropped at an attorney's office who had been requested to arrange surrender. It won't be as big as the party the night the lights went out to dispatch that particularly prolific serial killer, but there'll be liberal amounts of hooch consumed at cop bars and DA office parties and a few fancy fundraisers for politicians statewide when that business is finally finished--and probably a few celebratory belts even in those neighborhoods, given all that was discovered by trials (plural)!!! l cannot wait for his number to come up!

[@khi4819]

Your stories make me more aware of my surroundings but isn't not gonna stop me from do stupid things.