The world's WORST babysitter

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MrBallen

MrBallen

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@haunteddollorbs
@haunteddollorbs 2 жыл бұрын
I “lost it” when John said she was buried with the blue shoes that she wanted. Bless her. Fifteen years is not enough for taking someone’s life. 💔
@mortimerbrewster3671
@mortimerbrewster3671 2 жыл бұрын
As horrific as this story is, she was doing this "job" to earn money for the most hideous pair of shoes.
@hollystiener16
@hollystiener16 2 жыл бұрын
@@mortimerbrewster3671 It says under the photo "not the actual photo of the shoes".
@clearjr1
@clearjr1 2 жыл бұрын
Her mother must carry some regret and guilt because she did not purchase the shoes when Rachel asked her to buy them.
@billp4
@billp4 2 жыл бұрын
It was determined she was sorry
@PastaDon_
@PastaDon_ 2 жыл бұрын
💔😢
@sandydog426
@sandydog426 2 жыл бұрын
What’s even scarier is that Caroline only served 15 years for the premeditated murder of a minor. She’s still young enough to rebuild her life and have opportunities that she took away from Rachel. I assume the sentencing took mental health issues into consideration, but she obviously knew that what she was doing was wrong because she went to such lengths that plan it out, hide it, and even came up with an elaborate lie to tell Rachel. She had multiple chances to change her mind and didn’t.
@thomasgriffin2326
@thomasgriffin2326 2 жыл бұрын
Right???!!! 15 fucking years??! WHAT?!
@thecatatemyhomework
@thecatatemyhomework 2 жыл бұрын
She's still young enough to murder someone else.
@marybarry2230
@marybarry2230 2 жыл бұрын
I guess in Australia the justice system is different from America. The sentencing certainly does not suit the crime at all! TWO crimes were committed here!
@jennifercusnier339
@jennifercusnier339 2 жыл бұрын
THIS RIGHT HERE! Exactly. And I hope she does not get jealous of anyone else's life. A TRUE DANGER TO SOCIETY.
@thomasgriffin2326
@thomasgriffin2326 2 жыл бұрын
@@marybarry2230 fr She would have gotten lethal injection here in AZ. At the very least life in prison, no parole
@emeraldphotography7363
@emeraldphotography7363 2 жыл бұрын
Tell your children to always walk away when friends, acquaintances or even people of authority when they say "never tell this to anyone".
@serenity_now1999
@serenity_now1999 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 💯
@mj_out
@mj_out 2 жыл бұрын
This.
@turtlequeen6553
@turtlequeen6553 2 жыл бұрын
I agree I tell my students the same thing,, never trust anyone to much
@Zyryne1
@Zyryne1 2 жыл бұрын
Stranger danger isn't as real as people would like to believe. It is almost always someone close. Fully agree with you. 😁🥰
@perryshaffer8358
@perryshaffer8358 2 жыл бұрын
If you have to hide something it's probably wrong.
@QueerFrogRabbit
@QueerFrogRabbit Жыл бұрын
I cannot fathom how her mother must have felt. "If I had just gotten her those shoes"... the what if for a parent must be horrific. Though clearly it wouldn't have mattered. Caroline would have found some way to fulfill her plan no matter what. How anxious Rachel was and how fearful makes her death especially cruel. 20 years was not enough. If this were my child... That prison release would have been the beginning of my prison sentence. RIP sweet girl. Love and support to her family.
@gavinjenkins899
@gavinjenkins899 Жыл бұрын
Yeah with their prior relationship, I don't even know why the job was a necessary element at all, she could probably have simply invited her over. I guess it was the secrecy of not mentioning where she was going, but there's other ways I'm sure. Could be a slightly naughty type of party she didn't want to tell her parents about or anything like that instead.
@daledillard4326
@daledillard4326 Жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing as I'm sure the mother did. Of course it wasn't the mother's fault whatsoever. It was the fault of an unhinged sociopath who took advantage of a sweet, trusting, innocent soul.
@brigitblu3828
@brigitblu3828 11 ай бұрын
For real 😢 but I’m sure she was thinking of her other children I she took her life her children would lose a mother it’s so heart breaking
@MikeGervasi
@MikeGervasi 2 жыл бұрын
30 minutes with no sponsor break. You're a beast. SUCH a beautiful girl. Breaks my heart to think of the loss.
@jackdurden466
@jackdurden466 2 жыл бұрын
She really was gorgeous, and I believe it was a beauty deeper than skin. No one that beautiful has that many friends without a truly beautiful personality. Yet another thing that made her such a bright star.
@GlassesnMouthplates
@GlassesnMouthplates 2 жыл бұрын
The lack of sponsor breaks actually broke my heart. I need my episodic fix of Seagull Lung lore.
@Goldenlsr
@Goldenlsr 2 жыл бұрын
Ya cause now you gotta pay for Amazon music to listen to his shitty podcast , sell out
@jaradrobinson2975
@jaradrobinson2975 2 жыл бұрын
He owes us that much after waiting over two weeks
@jaradrobinson2975
@jaradrobinson2975 2 жыл бұрын
When you were solo starting out... You uploaded everyday. Now that have a huge budget, and team. It takes two weeks 😂
@pipe_currency
@pipe_currency 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that the family and friends of this poor girl buried her with the blue shoes she so wanted is both beautiful and heartbreaking.
@KarleeM76
@KarleeM76 2 жыл бұрын
Right ! It really shoes how close with was with her family 😊
@thegratefulbaker
@thegratefulbaker 2 жыл бұрын
literally made me cry :(
@LOLRabbleRouser
@LOLRabbleRouser 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s absolutely horrifying.
@Mad4style
@Mad4style 2 жыл бұрын
Tears
@littledeathmark8991
@littledeathmark8991 2 жыл бұрын
It made me cry, not gonna lie
@DrMadelineAuD
@DrMadelineAuD Жыл бұрын
The fact that this murderer is walking free after only 15 years is criminal. Justice was not served in this case.
@seventycross0yt175
@seventycross0yt175 8 ай бұрын
Justice is never served
@suppotaalasmaa467
@suppotaalasmaa467 7 ай бұрын
@@seventycross0yt175true only time you get justice is tuomiopäivä
@masterlee1372
@masterlee1372 5 ай бұрын
That’s Australia for you. They have a bunch of stupid laws
@TBAYMenace
@TBAYMenace 5 ай бұрын
she did her time, calm down lol
@masterlee1372
@masterlee1372 5 ай бұрын
@@TBAYMenace 😂 15 years for what she did is not right. Are you her family member? Socialist? Lunatic?
@snackman2005
@snackman2005 2 жыл бұрын
The irony of the story to me is, she had a fear of strangers. But yet someone she knew and trusted killed her.
@irina383
@irina383 2 жыл бұрын
She most likely had extreme social anxiety not fearing for her safety around strangers.
@RiPxGuT
@RiPxGuT 2 жыл бұрын
​@@KannyNguyen I think that's spam bro
@DuncanDonDuken
@DuncanDonDuken 2 жыл бұрын
#Facts
@deepwaterrehab7685
@deepwaterrehab7685 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how it happens more often than not, sadly.
@MrTreazure1
@MrTreazure1 2 жыл бұрын
Damn
@Chelsea_._
@Chelsea_._ 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh! I will never understand why police assume all teenagers are runaways and tell the parents to wait. The first 48 hours is so crucial to finding a person alive! I’ve seen so many cases where they could have been found alive, if action had been taken sooner. It’s so beyond frustrating and heartbreaking.
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@BaldFoodiieGuy 2 жыл бұрын
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@Dharmarenee
@Dharmarenee 2 жыл бұрын
No she killed her on the first evening.
@rexusthevaliant6311
@rexusthevaliant6311 2 жыл бұрын
They are talking about other cases in general
@knowhereman1
@knowhereman1 2 жыл бұрын
The arrogance for police to assume they know the missing person better than her family. And the reluctance to start an investigation out of laziness. After all, it ain’t their kid.
@MrSwan-tm5wj
@MrSwan-tm5wj 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think police wait anymore. This was 90's police. If someone is missing notify police immediately.
@screamingtima1318
@screamingtima1318 Жыл бұрын
Man, I started bawling so hard when Mr Ballen said that Rachel was buried with the blue shoes that she wanted so bad. All that poor girl wanted was her blue chunky shoes….These are the kind of stories that keep me up at night. Rest easy sweet Rachel. ❤
@TheoWren
@TheoWren Жыл бұрын
i know 💔 she was so innocent. the biggest thing on her agenda was getting enough money to buy a cool pair of shoes. it really makes it hit home just how young she was, how much life she still had ahead of her. and she TRUSTED this woman. fuck, it makes me so sad.
@screamingtima1318
@screamingtima1318 Жыл бұрын
@@TheoWren Right? :( There are some really cruel, disturbed people out there! And it seems like, as the years go on, people get worse and worse.
@raymondwong2159
@raymondwong2159 Жыл бұрын
that must have been so hard on the mother, knowing if she had bought the shoes in the first place, this might not have happened...
@agoogleuser8945
@agoogleuser8945 Жыл бұрын
What I'm confused about is how her family was very creative and could somehow afford all these kids, a house, AND sustain all their hobbies, and yet couldn't shell out $100 for their supposed "star" child. Things aren't adding up...
@wiredkink1739
@wiredkink1739 Жыл бұрын
@@raymondwong2159 for real!
@Metalass
@Metalass 10 ай бұрын
This broke me... RIP Rachel. You deserved the world.
@LorienInksong
@LorienInksong 2 жыл бұрын
That poor girl... I have a crippling anxiety disorder and sometimes my friends help me navigate the outside world. I can't imagine how terrifying it would have been to have a friend turn on me and try to end my life. Rachel and her family deserved so much better, what a devastating story.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy 2 жыл бұрын
A terrifying nightmare came true. 💔
@viv7677
@viv7677 2 жыл бұрын
Me too :(
@Tobikoyum7
@Tobikoyum7 2 жыл бұрын
I can tell you from personal experience with crippling anxiety, keep working on it with counseling, meditation, medication, support, edmr trauma therapy, anything that you can- never underestimate your own potential to self- heal. 🙏
@lomeiniac7536
@lomeiniac7536 2 жыл бұрын
Stop trying to scam mrballen’s followers freak
@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206
@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tobikoyum7 may I ask how long you've been doing the edmr therapy?
@vickiebailey374
@vickiebailey374 2 жыл бұрын
As a mother who has lost a child my heart breaks for her family. No one deserves to be murdered like that.
@MrBallen
@MrBallen 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine the pain ❤
@mawgraw4297
@mawgraw4297 2 жыл бұрын
My condolences. Children are sacred, and I can not imagine the horror of losing one. RIP young one.
@BD-1-And-Only
@BD-1-And-Only 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry for your loss. It infuriates me how just because the murderer was a woman, she only gets 15 years. Female privilege is real and horrible.
@KristenDilligaf
@KristenDilligaf 2 жыл бұрын
I am so sorry to hear this. There is no word to describe the loss of a child, no word could ever sum up that pain. 😢 I'm so sorry.
@ILOVEmyLord2024
@ILOVEmyLord2024 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry for your loss 😪😪 I can’t imagine losing a child, and I give A LOT of respect to moms or dads who have lost a child.
@waltz9230
@waltz9230 2 жыл бұрын
How is it that they only got 15 years in prison for such an atrocity? Some people get decades for drug related charges...
@josephdougherty2399
@josephdougherty2399 2 жыл бұрын
Liberals
@lucaslake8576
@lucaslake8576 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia a life sentence is only 15 years so it makes sense
@waltz9230
@waltz9230 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucaslake8576 I can’t tell if you’re joking and I’m too lazy to Google it
@wayneb6583
@wayneb6583 2 жыл бұрын
Can't afford to keep dangerous people in jail, got wars to fund you know.
@marionbalan1932
@marionbalan1932 2 жыл бұрын
@@wayneb6583 now tell me, what wars does Australia fund?
@samanthafairweather9186
@samanthafairweather9186 2 жыл бұрын
Caroline had been planning this for ages. During her court case, a couple of people she'd met just before the murder said she'd actually introduced herself as Rachel. The book by her mum is really good. I recommend that people read it or even watch the movie, "In her skin."
@bamahammer949
@bamahammer949 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the one with Scarlett Johanson played in??
@LegendaryTony.
@LegendaryTony. 2 жыл бұрын
@@bamahammer949 Nah, as MrBallen alluded to, it isn't a Hollywood movie. It's an indie film made/released in Australia with an all-Australian cast.
@rattled4806
@rattled4806 2 жыл бұрын
That whale planned a murder and actually did it, killing a minor that didn't even want to die, then got only 15 years... If it was a male, he would've gotten life. If you want to become a serial killer that is also extremely dumb and ugly, just be a fat female.
@John-86
@John-86 2 жыл бұрын
Premeditated cold blooded murder only gets u 15 years in Australia but if u fail to comply with their draconian covid restrictions or just post online of protesting these restrictions your bank account may be frozen and u get hauled away to a covid camp.
@SusanGFoxyMama
@SusanGFoxyMama 2 жыл бұрын
@@bamahammer949 that's Under the Skin
@jasminecole6431
@jasminecole6431 Жыл бұрын
The fact that she hated herself so much and was so jealous that she killed is insane and she really was not ugly.
@xonx209
@xonx209 8 ай бұрын
There's something wrong with her head. How did she think she could pretend to be Rachael without her friends and family noticing?
@lindah.1104
@lindah.1104 8 ай бұрын
Yes, she was a very pretty girl, but should be hospitalized for the criminally insane!
@999b0a
@999b0a 7 ай бұрын
@@xonx209Yeah she is mentally ill. They said she also had a seizure when the cops arrived at her apartment, so delusions are just the start im sure
@TrevorNetshisaulu-bv2jl
@TrevorNetshisaulu-bv2jl 6 ай бұрын
That was just an excuse to kill someone. The justice was not served either.
@estrobart6785
@estrobart6785 2 жыл бұрын
This man's storytelling skills are unrivaled
@TIMOTHYEET69420
@TIMOTHYEET69420 2 жыл бұрын
Lol Agree
@mystzzytakameshi5441
@mystzzytakameshi5441 2 жыл бұрын
He’s definitely good at storytelling but calling it unrivaled is a bit of an overstatement.
@estrobart6785
@estrobart6785 2 жыл бұрын
@@mystzzytakameshi5441 to each their own
@youknow2849
@youknow2849 2 жыл бұрын
Script reading skills*
@DEEPMUCH
@DEEPMUCH 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah a girl could never pull this off. ;P jkjk
@kathyhenderson8902
@kathyhenderson8902 2 жыл бұрын
Jealousy is such a horrible thing and bringing it into reality to kill someone is horrific! 15 years for Caroline was not enough. RIP Rachel...
@latifahgordeeva6198
@latifahgordeeva6198 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised it was only 15. I thought she was institutionalized for life.
@markmike7933
@markmike7933 2 жыл бұрын
This was a little past jealousy. I'm jealous of a bunch of people but I don't plan on TAKING THEIR LIVES AND BEcOMING THEM!!! :)
@kathyhenderson8902
@kathyhenderson8902 2 жыл бұрын
@@markmike7933 I was just saying how her jealousy went further than it's supposed to.... No need to be jealous in today's society, won't get you anywhere!
@adoredior3367
@adoredior3367 2 жыл бұрын
@@markmike7933 jealousy is ugly, even on the most attractive ppl so there’s nothing cute about being that way. And I’m with you on the fact that old girl had bigger problems than jealousy; maybe some serious untreated mental issues etc going on there.
@vonalysongreg2780
@vonalysongreg2780 2 жыл бұрын
wanting someone else's life or property or whatever you call it, it is ENVY, not jealousy.. jelousy is being insecure that something you already have would be taken away from you.. ENVY makes you insecure and want something that you never have
@galaxywolffpix2879
@galaxywolffpix2879 2 жыл бұрын
The end of this story really got to me, especially the part about her being buried with the shoes she wanted. Very sad.
@hannahambler1993
@hannahambler1993 2 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what got to me too. I’m sat here feeding the baby and crying over it, it really cuts deep.
@Sorchia56
@Sorchia56 2 жыл бұрын
I just stared at my screen in absolute horror and grief for a good 5 minutes. As a mum of three daughters all are in their 20’s and on their own, this is what I fear the most. Evil creeping into their lives somehow and not being able to protect them. They are all trained with weapons and have black belts but it can happen to any of us. God Bless that family. 💔😢
@Sorchia56
@Sorchia56 2 жыл бұрын
@@hannahambler1993 Oh my word, if I were feeding my one of my babies I’d be sobbing as well. Your precious Angel will be safe in your arms. Blessings to you and your family.
@Bluelofi-2
@Bluelofi-2 2 жыл бұрын
Ohh i thought you were gunna say how she only got 20years... She should've gotten life. Life for a Life.. Its prob because she's a female Smfh
@user-kb8qw7dy4t
@user-kb8qw7dy4t 2 жыл бұрын
The moral of the story is that when your teenage daughter says she's _literally_ dying to own a pair of absurdly trendy shoes, she means it.
@miagreatest9960
@miagreatest9960 Жыл бұрын
I Watch a lot of KZbin true crime channels. I only found this guy’s channel yesterday, and already I’ve listened to half a dozen of his stories. He’s superb! He is excellent at presenting the story/info and keeping me glued. This guy should be on TV as he’s so much better than many of the presenters on there! If by chance you ever read these comments Mr Ballen …. Thank you for uploading your work.
@xonx209
@xonx209 8 ай бұрын
He probably hires screen writers to write the scripts
@hortenmarkettt
@hortenmarkettt 8 ай бұрын
@@xonx209doesn’t matter
@ivystonemoon
@ivystonemoon 7 ай бұрын
Doesn’t matter, it’s the way he presents
@Daiska_Plays
@Daiska_Plays 2 жыл бұрын
You know the mom had to be dealing with a degree of unfounded guilt. "I should've gotten her those shoes" It's especially painful that they were part of her burial. I hope she accepted early on, if it wasn't the shoes, it would have been something else. It could have been nothing at all, just an easy way to make some pocket money. Such an awful thing that happened. And Caroline sounds so messed up mentally I have doubts she's safe to be among us.
@tomshortstop14
@tomshortstop14 2 жыл бұрын
Haven’t finished the story yet but those shoes are fuckin ugly!
@squeakSquak
@squeakSquak 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomshortstop14 no one asked
@sillau9
@sillau9 2 жыл бұрын
They shouldn't feel guilty.. didn't the mother not have theoney for it or something
@user-cd1lr1tp3n
@user-cd1lr1tp3n 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention she hired the babysitter
@sillau9
@sillau9 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-cd1lr1tp3n that still doesn't even put blame on the mother still..the past babysitter is the one who should really get the blame, y'all blaming the wrong person 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️
@SweetyBean
@SweetyBean 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll never understand how police can just dismiss a missing child constantly as runaways. Regardless of the frequency or runaway teens
@dknight25
@dknight25 2 жыл бұрын
A missing child is handled very different than a missing teen. Teens tend to come back 99.99% of the time while children do not unfortunately. Police often times don't have the resources to attend runaway calls (too many), but they give priority when a 12yo or under child went missing as it is likely not due to rebellious behavior but something more serious.
@seanriley2534
@seanriley2534 2 жыл бұрын
Cause police have long gotten away with being dogshit at their jobs. Like the officers who let a bunch of grammar school kids get murdered instead of entering the school and engaging the shooter.
@eazy2hate
@eazy2hate 2 жыл бұрын
Because about 85% of teens missing end up being teen runaways
@ElevatingDreams
@ElevatingDreams 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't have mattered much.. she was already dead.
@user_is_sasaxi_lalduhsaxi_O4
@user_is_sasaxi_lalduhsaxi_O4 2 жыл бұрын
í dσn't cαrє íf ítѕ 85% σr 99.99% ... єvєn α ѕínglє lífє íѕ prєcíσuѕ αnd ít'ѕ nσt wσrth tαkíng αnч ríѕkѕ... thєч αrє αll juѕt lαzч вunѕ - thαt'ѕ thє σnlч rєαѕσn.
@rmsiq148isstruggling3
@rmsiq148isstruggling3 2 жыл бұрын
I watched this case in a Crime documentary. Manny, the boyfriend said that when Rachel went to the shoe shop with him, she told the shopkeeper to please keep those shoes for her and she will definitely buy them the next day. The shopworker remembers her because she was so in love with those shoes... :( such a sad case. Rest in peace Rachel
@jencita8509
@jencita8509 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I heard that, too.
@loveistheanswer5924
@loveistheanswer5924 10 ай бұрын
💔🙏😔
@loveistheanswer5924
@loveistheanswer5924 10 ай бұрын
She will most likely be resurrected. Then her parents can hug her again and never have to give her away anymore! 🙏😊❤️
@nishanightshade1302
@nishanightshade1302 Жыл бұрын
The film about this case, “In Her Skin”, is quite heartbreaking. It has a great soundtrack, the music gives you a strong feeling of grief. This case is just so gruesome and unnecessary. Too bad Caroline didn’t get the help she so desperately needed before she could even THINK about committing such a terrible act. I still feel awful for Rachel’s family, and I hope by now, they’ve found at least a bit of peace. 😔
@lindsaysisk14
@lindsaysisk14 Жыл бұрын
I literally just watched that movie a couple days ago on Tubi …. Such a sad story .
@najadahmer4862
@najadahmer4862 Жыл бұрын
When I saw the movie a couple of years ago, I did not think it was a true story.. I was very wrong. It’s truly a heartbreaking story
@Lisspeed
@Lisspeed 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno why but this story in particular really hit me. She put so much trust into someone only to be murdered at such a tender age. On top of that the moment you mentioned they got her those shoes for her funeral I couldn't help but cry. She deserved so much better than what happened to her.
@howardreynolds2183
@howardreynolds2183 2 жыл бұрын
Only the good die young.
@BriEMcN
@BriEMcN 2 жыл бұрын
For real, it's especially hard knowing she had no reason not to trust her, know what I mean? A lot of teens can be too trusting of people they shouldn't trust that easily, which is just as sad when this happens. But this hits different bc she had no reason to be afraid of her or not trust her, imagine how confused and shocked she was 😞 and she had no idea why she even did it.
@paulesterline5714
@paulesterline5714 2 жыл бұрын
As a father I found myself saying "if she had only purchased those damn shoes, this likely would not have happened. I understand having to budget etc, but I would spend the rest of my life kicking myself because I didn't buy a pair of shoes. I have NO doubt that her mom is feeling the same and will feel it for way more than 15 years. So if I can kill someone in OZ and only go to prison for (what was it? 12 years? I forgot) as her dad I would probably be convicted of murder if you catch my drift....
@sophosbeasan1
@sophosbeasan1 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t want to see those shoes or this Caroline for the rest of my life if I am a relative of Rachael.
@Tamarasellison
@Tamarasellison 2 жыл бұрын
I cried about the blue shoes being buried with her too. (Actually crying now 😭) That hit me really hard. I thought if only she could've just had those shoes maybe this could've been avoided but I realize she trusted that girl so sadly this may have been unavoidable. 😣
@Evilintegral51
@Evilintegral51 2 жыл бұрын
This is the 3rd story i have heard from mrballen about young teenage girls being murdered by people they know and trust. As the single father of a preteen daughter that could easily fit the description of those girls, these stories scare the HELL out of me. Sometimes you can be as vigilant as possible and still not be prepared for the evil other humans can conceive. My daughter is my whole world and that said, i simply cant imagine how these parents felt losing a child.
@Jabarri74
@Jabarri74 2 жыл бұрын
In a word, don't try to imagine that is the stuff of nightmares and will harm your mental well being.
@jasminej6281
@jasminej6281 2 жыл бұрын
She will be ok just tell her to be mindful and be careful.
@tilly.....editssssss8056
@tilly.....editssssss8056 2 жыл бұрын
Concentrate on building her self esteem. This is key.
@The_Cholo
@The_Cholo 2 жыл бұрын
It's not old news that people hunt children. Men and women.
@bobbyhood2971
@bobbyhood2971 2 жыл бұрын
May you never know their pain. I'm sure it's not something that you ever get over no matter how much time passes. Love and protect your daughter as best you can.
@angeliquehoward1238
@angeliquehoward1238 2 жыл бұрын
How sad! She shouldn't have ever gotten out of prison. That type of crazy doesn't go away.
@xKris_Rybalchenko
@xKris_Rybalchenko 2 жыл бұрын
☝️☝️👆👆 Let's talk 👆⬆️📦🏆..
@feffnordana5344
@feffnordana5344 2 жыл бұрын
FACTS
@pinkminipuff
@pinkminipuff Жыл бұрын
Should have transferred to a mental facility. I don't know much about those facilities these days, but maybe they could help her. Not just put her out into the population! Like "this should be fine" attitude has caused a whole lot of suffering when people reoffend.
@breaker571
@breaker571 Жыл бұрын
This witch is in her very own prison.....in her head.
@alysgrant6732
@alysgrant6732 Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@lwolfstar7618
@lwolfstar7618 Жыл бұрын
As soon as you said about the shoes I knew exactly what case this was. Absolutely horrific tragedy for Rachael and her family.
@egg3219
@egg3219 2 жыл бұрын
my respect and prayers go out to the barber's. I've heard this story before but still decided to watch the video. rachel didn't deserve what happened to her. remember to tell your friends what you're doing and where you're going so at least SOMEONE knows where you are just in case something happens. stay safe everyone
@mobucks555
@mobucks555 2 жыл бұрын
Something is wrong in Australia if you only serve 15 years for pre-meditated murder of a helpless teenage girl.
@howardreynolds2183
@howardreynolds2183 2 жыл бұрын
@@mobucks555 It's lucky she served that long.
@Youngberg1000
@Youngberg1000 2 жыл бұрын
@@howardreynolds2183 Those now ruling the world lover murderers because they have so much in common with themselves..
@myphone-ph4hh
@myphone-ph4hh 2 жыл бұрын
It was alot harder to do pre mobile phones
@linajones870
@linajones870 2 жыл бұрын
Or share location with your phone if you’re meeting a stranger
@rhythmtapper
@rhythmtapper 2 жыл бұрын
Burried with those shoes...wow. Tough story and, as always, well told. Happy belated Veteran's Day, John. Thank you for your service.
@hanananah
@hanananah 2 жыл бұрын
The real photo of the family at the funeral really struck me. The look on Rachel's sister's face is haunting.
@NeoNineOne
@NeoNineOne 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that made me sad
@joanrichter1891
@joanrichter1891 4 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh, the whole story is disturbing, death, everything surrounding it. But it completely got me when you said, and the blue shoes were buried with her. Poor family.
@mercwitch
@mercwitch 2 жыл бұрын
As an australian i find it so interesting watching your stories about things that happened here. I had no clue about most of these
@stephenuhe9229
@stephenuhe9229 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah me either i live in Oz but never heard of this and how come we dont hear about these stories that would make people more aware and be on guard a bit more. Thanks Mr Ballan great story telling.
@AC-mb2kp
@AC-mb2kp 2 жыл бұрын
Did you at least hear about that movie in her skin?
@eyespy6073
@eyespy6073 2 жыл бұрын
Fellow Aussie. Appreciate hearing stories from home that unfortunately our media do not cover. Could of been in local paper though.
@gerrib1633
@gerrib1633 2 жыл бұрын
🇦🇺interesting hearing stories from home as told by Mr Ballen
@seratonin7004
@seratonin7004 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm surprised how many Australian stories John covers that I'm not aware of. It reminded me of an Adelaide incident involving a teen girl going home on the train. I'm trying to recall more details but it was many years ago. Jog anyone's memory?
@remii849
@remii849 2 жыл бұрын
Help me understand why Caroline couldn't have just got surgery and successfully lost weight, without murdering Rachel. This world is a mess.
@fbiagent3998
@fbiagent3998 2 жыл бұрын
And as creepy as it sounds, technically she could have changed her name to Rachel w/o killing someone 😐
@relaine6068
@relaine6068 2 жыл бұрын
She definitely wasn't large enough to qualify for surgery. With healthy eating habits and therapy she could have lost weight and become healthier quickly. Weight didn't have to do anything with this. This woman hated herself and wanted to be someone else, and she had 0 empathy.
@oxeye8891
@oxeye8891 2 жыл бұрын
@@relaine6068 she wanted a nose job remember
@remii849
@remii849 2 жыл бұрын
@@relaine6068 I agree. But when I said surgery, I meant plastic surgery on her face. Because I'm sure it's mentioned that she got or was going to get surgery to look like Rachel! But 100%, therapy and healthier eating would've been a more humane solution, as opposed to taking someone's precious life!
@michelej8571
@michelej8571 2 жыл бұрын
Ur right. It is. I read an article where 2 female workers @ subway @ one of the girls 5 yr old was there too. one was shot and survived the boy wasn't hurt but the other was shot Dead, middle of day. & Killed over FUCKING MAYONNAISE. OK.
@jomitchell6711
@jomitchell6711 2 жыл бұрын
The parents burying Rachel with her blue shoes hit me in the feels. When my Grandmother passed away, we put her handbag with her, just as she left it, money and all. When a loved one passes on, don't ever think that you're being silly by sending them off with a few prized possessions. Believe it or not, it will bring you comfort when you miss them most.
@irena4545
@irena4545 2 жыл бұрын
I sent my mother off with the riverpearl earrings and necklace that I had given her, and a golden ring which I bought her when we had been shopping together. The bouquet of roses that she was holding in the coffin was tied with a tatted lace that I made, and I wrapped her shoulders in a cape that I had bought but didn't have a chance to gift her for Christmas.
@niphrim
@niphrim 2 жыл бұрын
I buried everyone in my family with a lock of my hair. Somehow it made me feel like a part of me would be able to stay with them. I know that's weird.
@lizardog
@lizardog 2 жыл бұрын
This is so true. Funerals are for the living, not for the dead, and the way you conduct yourself at the funeral will stay with you for life.
@lindzriddb
@lindzriddb 2 жыл бұрын
We buried my grandpa with a Snickers bar :)
@fortheloveofking
@fortheloveofking 2 жыл бұрын
Dead people don't care. And, if the funeral director knew what the shoes were worth, she DEFINITELY wasn't buried in them. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@tommoore9400
@tommoore9400 Ай бұрын
Another excellent post, Mr. Ballin!!
@supernova11711
@supernova11711 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that they buried her with those blue shoes really got to me for some reason. May she Rest In Peace 💕
@frankrobertson7325
@frankrobertson7325 2 жыл бұрын
ME too!
@bentonrp
@bentonrp 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe because it was so sad that she wound up getting her life stolen for something so pointless and meanwhile her own intentions were so innocent.
@jamesforgash9578
@jamesforgash9578 2 жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭💯
@jamesforgash9578
@jamesforgash9578 2 жыл бұрын
Ppl r soooooo fuckin sick....wtf🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
@TheLovelyMissBeans
@TheLovelyMissBeans 2 жыл бұрын
@@bentonrp yeah...that's it right there.
@Umberto2
@Umberto2 2 жыл бұрын
This is insane that a 1st degree murderer can walk free after just 15 years. I can’t imagine how vigilante justice doesn’t play out here soon. Unbelievable.
@koberhoads
@koberhoads 2 жыл бұрын
My cousins murderer is gonna be loose this year 2023, five years and multiple people involved. Canada's justice system is a joke.
@yeahno8294
@yeahno8294 2 жыл бұрын
People are to easily led and to stupid to actually seek vigilante justice lol honestly I believe the only true justice is vigilante justice that's why there's so little justice in the world today humans are weak little coward's.
@e.starling141
@e.starling141 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah its insane. Some of these countries have ridiculous criminal sentences. It's like like a slap on the wrist for murdering someone. Unbelievable. I'm glad it's not that way in the US.
@dragonballistheway
@dragonballistheway 2 жыл бұрын
@@e.starling141 Yeah... The US justice system is on point ... 🙄🙄🙄🙄 I'm not gonna start the whole debate on what's a good sentence for murder cause it never ends... But how the fuck can you be more satisfied of the US justice system? There're litteraly hundreds of documentaries about mistrials, raped women who never get justice, people wrongfully convicted for years before the holy mighty justice accepts to actually make a real investigation, coerced witness and forced testimonials... The US justice system is a joke that makes no one laughs. And quite frankly, a person with obvious mental issues who murders someone... In the US, with the right lawyers, you can get out with madness. So your comment is just plain stupid. This is so typical from an american.
@e.starling141
@e.starling141 2 жыл бұрын
@@dragonballisthewayUmm no. First, where did I say the American justice system is the best in the world, or without faults? For someone so sure of themselves "timothee", you're good at jumping to conclusions. You may hear the worst about our justice system, and of course it has faults, as they all do, but the sentencing parameters on violent crimes are still way better than in other countries. Even if it's not a perfect system. And to pretend these exact same things you listed don't occur in other countries is incredibly ignorant on your part.
@E40moo
@E40moo 2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap!!! I went to high school with her. She was more beautiful and had more presences than you would ever be able to convey on KZbin. This was beyond a tragedy for everyone that knew her!
@belindapaul9828
@belindapaul9828 Жыл бұрын
💔
@devong7124
@devong7124 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your beautiful comment.
@hllyenaylleth9576
@hllyenaylleth9576 2 ай бұрын
What do you mean by presences?
@heather2761
@heather2761 Жыл бұрын
Laws in Australia and UK suck. Murders get hardly any time in jail.
@jacobdavis3876
@jacobdavis3876 4 ай бұрын
Canada too.
@shivanshbisht9439
@shivanshbisht9439 4 ай бұрын
there was a story in uk where an innocent man was killed due to which they abolished death sentence
@denisepleines1513
@denisepleines1513 Ай бұрын
She must have been so horrified 😢
@sapphireleo4203
@sapphireleo4203 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love listening to the stories. I find it weirdly calming in the morning/night, it's been a long week. Happy Veteran's day Mr Ballen. Thank you for your service along with the rest of our amazing vets who keep us safe. We don't deserve all of you.
@willywonka7812
@willywonka7812 2 жыл бұрын
Safe from what or who?
@Kepi_Kei
@Kepi_Kei 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@malimalou751
@malimalou751 2 жыл бұрын
Keep you safe from what??
@JP-nm6fw
@JP-nm6fw 2 жыл бұрын
Love Love your story’s they always make me want to see more. Love Love J.P
@willywonka7812
@willywonka7812 2 жыл бұрын
@@malimalou751 they are delusional cattle who praise hired murderers for rolling into foreign countries, killing their poor, and stealing their resources for the super rich. Brainwashed to the max
@jamielynn8336
@jamielynn8336 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so sad that she had anxiety about (more or less) strangers but someone she knew well took her life. 🙏😡🥺
@lindanicola
@lindanicola 2 жыл бұрын
So true, sadly , the bitter irony.
@quarterlifecrisisstudio4265
@quarterlifecrisisstudio4265 2 жыл бұрын
It's unfortunately how it usually goes.
@randalledmond1033
@randalledmond1033 2 жыл бұрын
9 times out of 10 it’s not a stranger that hurts or kills anyone it’s a person that’s very close to you. So her fear of strangers is ironic because it was someone she knew and trusted that ultimately killed her. 😢😢😢😢
@heatchills4093
@heatchills4093 2 жыл бұрын
That's always the way. They say that one of the most dangerous things that made kids vulnerable to pedophiles was the "Stranger Danger" curriculum, because it inadvertently made kids less suspicious of the monsters in their own close circle, because they'd been taught to anticipate trouble coming from strangers.
@GardenGuy1942
@GardenGuy1942 2 жыл бұрын
@@lindanicola yeah, seizures are a tuf thing, it’s understandable what she did. Her mother said so
@tazdianbrewhaha1402
@tazdianbrewhaha1402 2 жыл бұрын
The whole story was gut wrenching, but her finally getting her blue shoes floored me. How horrible for Rachael, and her entire family. The misplaced guilt. I've been annoyed and angry with my daughter not being where she was supposed to be when I picked her up from friends/events....I couldn't imagine
@AlejandraCazares-fl8gl
@AlejandraCazares-fl8gl Жыл бұрын
When he said she was buried with the shoes.... That got me.
@sdlboston2947
@sdlboston2947 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Veterans' Day, John! Thank you for your service in the military and on KZbin!!
@theempath8244
@theempath8244 2 жыл бұрын
That is one of the saddest ones that has been told. A sweet girl trying to get a pair of shoes, trusting a friend and ending up dead through that friends jealousy. How could she kill Rachael? So damned sad. Rest In Peace dear sweet girl and become an Emerald Angel that resembled your eyes.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy 2 жыл бұрын
Such a senseless tragedy. 💔
@thomasgriffin2326
@thomasgriffin2326 2 жыл бұрын
She should have got the death penalty
@paulesterline5714
@paulesterline5714 2 жыл бұрын
Not only how could Carolin kill a friend like that, but of course all the name changes in the world after not going to make you that person!! Another sad part of this is Caroline was not ugly. Sure she looked different from Rachel, but the photo I saw Caroline was definitely not "ugly".... well not on the outside anyway.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulesterline5714 All of that clearly points to mental disorders. None if it is logical.
@paulesterline5714
@paulesterline5714 2 жыл бұрын
@@VioletJoy true, still doesn't bring Rachel back and if Caroline is nuts (hopefully Caroline was treated for mental illness) then why was she released instead of being in a hospital. Sorry I have great sympathy for people with mental issues, but for doing something this bad you don't ever get to go free. EVER! The best you can hope to get is the rest of your life in a hospital. Just my opinion.
@frankoconnell6745
@frankoconnell6745 2 жыл бұрын
It’s still amazes me in all these videos all you have is a few pictures, but mostly just Mr.Balllen speaking. Yet every time a story ends I feel like I just watched a short movie. ❤
@mattcurcic5585
@mattcurcic5585 2 жыл бұрын
yes, he's very descriptive.
@wickedmirage
@wickedmirage 2 жыл бұрын
When you're great at what you do - you're great
@MrBallen
@MrBallen 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏🙏
@user-zd7cc5xc1s
@user-zd7cc5xc1s 2 жыл бұрын
Yes he's a good actor/narrator.
@cassiemerrick5803
@cassiemerrick5803 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBallen you are truly amazing! Thank you so much for every story you have covered, all are done in such a respectful kind loving way. ❤️ 🙏 🙏 🙏
@presqueezedlemons7170
@presqueezedlemons7170 Жыл бұрын
I love how much effort Mr Ballen puts into these videos.
@ShyDog827
@ShyDog827 2 жыл бұрын
Such a tragic senseless death. There is no way Rachel or her family could have protected themselves from Caroline or even have suspected that she was dangerous . May Rachel Rest In Peace 💐
@Raraking4796
@Raraking4796 2 жыл бұрын
The absolute truth of this statement is part of why this world is so terrifying. We are taught to be Weary strangers and people who look creepy. Nobody teaches us that we should watch our backs around our friends and other kids.
@AdrianM777
@AdrianM777 2 жыл бұрын
@@Raraking4796 exactly. I hate to say that this is the reason I and so many others are paranoid. This is why paranoia and insecurity exist. Who can we trust?? No one but ourselves I guess… :(
@normalisntcomingback.Jesusis
@normalisntcomingback.Jesusis 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdrianM777 the lord
@namanthacker
@namanthacker 2 жыл бұрын
They could have prevented..!! Why the f Rachel was not told that you should always tell your family wherever the f you are going.. No f secret job is beyond that boundary.. Always inform your parents where you gonna be and what you are doing..!! At least till your are under 18.
@Taygon45
@Taygon45 2 жыл бұрын
No offence to Rachel, she was young. But when someone tells you to go somewhere private and not to tell anyone, you tell everyone. And then someone will tell you that it's stupid to go. And if you insist then someone will come with you and break their nose when they try something.
@zarifshoeb
@zarifshoeb 2 жыл бұрын
The family burying the blue shoes along with her was so touching and heartbreaking at the same time 💔. Please always tell your parents at the very least where you are going and with whom no matter how close that person is. You never know when your sworn enemy is pretending to be a friend.
@zombiechicken7114
@zombiechicken7114 2 жыл бұрын
It's so easy to assume other people's lives are better than yours. Rachel had a lot of difficulties but Caroline just saw her talent and beauty and wanted to be her. We need to accept ourselves, be the best person we can be and stop assuming other people have no problems. Just be kind to each other and our own selves.
@avamasquerade
@avamasquerade Жыл бұрын
Or maybe ppl need to stop trying to console themselves by telling themselves that the people they're jealous of are probably secretly miserable anyway because some people are genuinely happy. Instead, we should use other's happiness (and even our own jealousy) as inspiration to go out and make our own lives even more spectacular.
@shanonchalmers3497
@shanonchalmers3497 Жыл бұрын
I took a social media and Internet I'm general reoreive for 6 months and I'd have to say that I missed your beyond capable storytelling techniques THE most. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. BALLEN! Please continue this adventure and remind people that we can be entertained and mentally stimulated and satisfied simply by LISTENING to a single storyteller with ZERO props to accentuate his tales and only occasional photographs to help to guide the individual in gaining a sense of perhaps the characters of the plot, landscape,r any other poignant detail. THANK YOU, Mr. Ballen.
@TheMaskedChef7
@TheMaskedChef7 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the wildest and saddest crimes i've ever heard about, it doesn't even make any sense to go as far as take a life out of jealousy. Heart breaking RIP Rachel.
@jeremybridges6015
@jeremybridges6015 2 жыл бұрын
Jealousy is the second motive. Self loathing is the primary
@TheMaskedChef7
@TheMaskedChef7 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremybridges6015 True they basically conjure jealousy out of self loathing
@TheMaskedChef7
@TheMaskedChef7 2 жыл бұрын
@OshunThaGreat If only there was emphasis on proper mental health support for all ages!
@TheLovelyMissBeans
@TheLovelyMissBeans 2 жыл бұрын
Caroline obviously had way more than a garden variety case of breaking the 10th Commandment. She was (is, presumably) mentally ill. She has such a horrible case of body dysmorphia, depression, and low self esteem that she turned it outward towards this innocent child and sought to destroy her because Rachel became the symbol for everything Caroline wanted and could never have. The irony of it all is that the ways in which Rachel struggled with fear and depression, she probably would have traded beauty and talent for the ability to ride a train and live in an apartment all alone like Caroline did. I do hope Caroline is being made to have psychological help.
@TheMaskedChef7
@TheMaskedChef7 2 жыл бұрын
@OshunThaGreat Because humans are supposed to be taught that the most important thing in life is gratitude! the lack of gratitude leads to a lack of empathy and appreciation for all others. there is literally a class in Japan that teaches gratitude because they understand how important it is.
@BraindeadGabe
@BraindeadGabe 2 жыл бұрын
What a heart breaking story. I don’t understand how they let Caroline go free she’s still a dangerous person even more than before
@westernartifact4163
@westernartifact4163 2 жыл бұрын
20 years is a joke. 15 is a tragedy in itself. Brought to you by a liberal judicial system.
@tacticalsweater5119
@tacticalsweater5119 2 жыл бұрын
Because she's a woman.
@adomede
@adomede 2 жыл бұрын
@@tacticalsweater5119 ….a white woman
@jettsoma
@jettsoma 2 жыл бұрын
If you’ve ever seen the Australian 60 minutes, you’ll see that they have even given serial killers sentences that are a joke. It’s really disturbing!
@Diamon.d
@Diamon.d 2 жыл бұрын
Australian justice system is a joke
@marybarry2230
@marybarry2230 2 жыл бұрын
This is without a doubt one of the most saddest stories Mr Ballen has told yet! That this young girl had put her trust in her once babysitter to have it end like this............... Unbelievably tragic!
@tamarabrunozzi8482
@tamarabrunozzi8482 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for always seemingly having just the right amount of pictures with every story!!! 🙃🙃🙃
@maryannschlear5161
@maryannschlear5161 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to Mr. Ballen is as watching the story turn into a movie in one's head .
@mazekaos
@mazekaos 2 жыл бұрын
Facts I listen I don’t watch his storytelling is so descriptive I don’t need to watch
@LemonPpR
@LemonPpR 2 жыл бұрын
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@janelleabbott2227
@janelleabbott2227 2 жыл бұрын
This is a movie. It's really interesting.
@janelleabbott2227
@janelleabbott2227 2 жыл бұрын
The movie is called In her Skin starring Sam neil.
@Luckyluke1906
@Luckyluke1906 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I remember his stories like I actually watched them.
@joyalexander5842
@joyalexander5842 2 жыл бұрын
Even if the police had taken the Dad seriously, Rachel still would have been murdered. The person who saw Rachel on the train with Caroline hadn't come forward until later when she heard about it from her sister. The entire story is so sad. This brought me to tears.
@mlisasweeney4308
@mlisasweeney4308 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist 2 жыл бұрын
Its possible. But if police action is taken sooner, who knows?
@Batman-g6
@Batman-g6 2 жыл бұрын
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist lol story actually took too long. I mean nobody knew where Rachel was until Allison told them...u know Allison actually told this after knowing "Rachel was Missing". That says a lot.
@Batman-g6
@Batman-g6 2 жыл бұрын
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist there's no way she could escape the death trap
@jimmymapes3411
@jimmymapes3411 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Ballen does such a great job of storytelling. The writing, sound effects, attention to detail, etc.
@Melissa-vz7qq
@Melissa-vz7qq 2 жыл бұрын
Fact he does...I've heard this story couple times on KZbin and he definitely told it the best i think. He definitely has a skill of retelling stories!
@adrian_veidt
@adrian_veidt 4 ай бұрын
I can't imagine the guilt and pain her mother felt... "If only I bought her those shoes" This is too heartbreaking
@smokemypiper
@smokemypiper 2 жыл бұрын
Give that police sketch artist a medal. Or a smiley face sticker
@540yeezy
@540yeezy 2 жыл бұрын
Sticker would be more efficient
@Sssilentlaugh
@Sssilentlaugh 2 жыл бұрын
A gold star
@giladfadel5920
@giladfadel5920 2 жыл бұрын
Give him a cookie
@zeearts9484
@zeearts9484 2 жыл бұрын
@@giladfadel5920 A pack of cookies
@sadiewilson7053
@sadiewilson7053 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not done with the story yet.. So did it turn out she actually had a Hitler stache?
@RileySerola
@RileySerola 2 жыл бұрын
This story is heart wrenching, I am deeply saddened. My heart goes out to her family. Her life was cruelly snatched.
@GardenGuy1942
@GardenGuy1942 2 жыл бұрын
Seizures are so difficult to live with, I totally agree
@Galbereth
@Galbereth 2 жыл бұрын
Such a shockingly sad story of a lovely girl who just wanted to dance. Jealousy killed her in the guise of a friend. Makes my heart break. Thank you Mr Ballen - you told it so well as always.
@rahulkanugo7943
@rahulkanugo7943 Жыл бұрын
27:08 *Real artistic depiction of Caroline in court* is hilarious
@sigma_six
@sigma_six 2 жыл бұрын
One of the saddest and most tragic stories I've heard in a long, long time... she was only a 15 year old girl... Caroline should have gotten life, for taking a life
@howardreynolds2183
@howardreynolds2183 2 жыл бұрын
It's lucky she served 15 years.
@paulesterline5714
@paulesterline5714 2 жыл бұрын
Yes she should have gotten life....or a firing line.....
@melissadropdead4619
@melissadropdead4619 2 жыл бұрын
She also had some mental health issues. She really she could pass herself off as Rachel with losing weight and a nose job?! I doubt time in prison helped with that. I agree, she should have gotten life.
@krisj5561
@krisj5561 2 жыл бұрын
@@howardreynolds2183 sickening you defend this
@potatertots2060
@potatertots2060 2 жыл бұрын
@@krisj5561 I don’t think he’s defending it, I think he’s saying Australia is notorious for giving people a slap on the wrist for heinous crimes
@ScottsafriendofGod
@ScottsafriendofGod 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard of so many parents who were told not to worry about their child when they went missing. It seems like the police are putting off the inevitable as well as putting the parents through unnecessary torment. What a sad thing for this family to endure.
@PraiseYHWH
@PraiseYHWH 2 жыл бұрын
Something I take from this would be hiring a private personal investigator, assuming the client would be able to afford them. We could also learn some basic investigating practices to, at least, track and trace.
@misterbobby8913
@misterbobby8913 2 жыл бұрын
@@PraiseYHWH True
@ThatIckyGuy
@ThatIckyGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Cases like Rachel's are why police officers (at least the ones near me) will go ahead and take the report. A lot can happen in those 24 hours that they used to quote you. I think a lot of police agencies have learned from this mistake.
@catmomjill
@catmomjill 2 жыл бұрын
Alhough I was often an unhappy teenager (what teenager isn't?) I always knew running away was never an answer. I like to think my dad would have been in their faces instantly, demanding they look for me.
@justarandompepe8961
@justarandompepe8961 2 жыл бұрын
unfortunately its not that simple. if you have to blame anybody, blame all the teens that runaway. they created this mentality. the vast majority of missing teens are runaways that end up coming right back within a day or two. its because of this that cops don't bother to look, add on to that the sheer number of runaway teens and the limited number of cops and its not surprising that they don't hop to it, especially when they have other crimes and things going on. if they did so for every one that popped up, its all that cops would be doing. they wouldn't have time for anything else. a teen is also not the same a literal child (like 12 and under), they are treated as being able to somewhat take care of themselves (though 15 aint much better tbh). i don't think they do the 24 hr thing with actual children. yes, it sucks but i get why it is the way that it is. at the end of the day, the cops simply don't have the man power to send out a bunch of cops for every missing person, every single time, especially when they don't know if its actually a missing person or not.
@lexbastubee6214
@lexbastubee6214 2 жыл бұрын
Happy late Veterans day Mr Ballen!!! Thank you for your service both in the military and here on KZbin. You are truly a blessing to this world.
@kamurray67
@kamurray67 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know what Mr. Ballen would say but to honor his and all veterans service go out and do something that is protected by these veterans. Go shopping in public have a conversation with someone. Go have a meal outside of the home. All veterans whether serving in peace or war took an oath to defend the constitution up to and including losing their life. Enjoy the freedoms they have protected for you and all. To me that is the biggest honor to all veterans!
@nickyblue4866
@nickyblue4866 2 жыл бұрын
@@kamurray67 💯
@Datura981
@Datura981 Жыл бұрын
Poor Rachel, what a sweet, delicate soul. What's so unfortunate, too, is that Rachel sounds like the kind of person that would've helped Caroline build her self-esteem, if only Carolina hadn't been a violent, jealous coward. Rachel obviously trusted Caroline, and Rachel also struggled with what seems very like agoraphobic tendencies (tendency, not saying she was). It seems like a perfect match that Rachel could've helped Caroline feel more beautiful and cared for, and Caroline could've helped Rachel build confidence in her own independence. Insane or not, Caroline should not be free. If she is crazy, she shouldn't be walking free so quickly after the heinous murder of a child. If she isn't crazy, she shouldn't be walking free so quickly after the heinous murder of a child. Insane people will come right out with their crazy like it's perfectly normal, and everyone else is crazy for not understanding how much sense they think they're making. This was pre-meditated and covered up. Caroline isn't insane, she's evil.
@WendyCarstens
@WendyCarstens 9 ай бұрын
💯 % EVIL NARCK 😈 INSANITY
@sophiaisabelle027
@sophiaisabelle027 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like MrBallen is a bit earlier than usual. The long break he needed had paid off. It seems like he’s in good spirits. May God continue to bless him and the people around him.
@phuckpootube6231
@phuckpootube6231 2 жыл бұрын
Why are yanks so caught up in the whole god myth?
@realnamebutitisnt.6610
@realnamebutitisnt.6610 2 жыл бұрын
@@phuckpootube6231 Why does it bother you?
@906
@906 2 жыл бұрын
@@phuckpootube6231 If you're British your country's slogan is literally "God Save the King"
@shaybaeXx1989
@shaybaeXx1989 2 жыл бұрын
@@phuckpootube6231 that's really not a fair nor kind statement for one, why is it just yanks as U mentioned, and is god a *myth* sadly that's in your opinion to alot of others our dear god is not and that goes over very clearly here with this dear persons lovely comment and also Is very much true and real and existing in my opinion and beliefs also, so why comment so unkindly at least don't be so close minded and keep different opinions to yourself don't say such unkind things to someone just because YOU don't believe or deem it true give absolutely not right nor reason to say such things I pray that you may have a beautiful experience where your opinion of our god being a myth changes your perception assumption and you have a beautiful experience to change that assumption Do have a lovely day/night hope you enjoyed this Mrballen video I hope and pray your doing well and happy in life and may God bless you in ways only he can Shay From Australia
@phuckpootube6231
@phuckpootube6231 2 жыл бұрын
@@realnamebutitisnt.6610 I wouldn't say bother, more of amazement that people can believe in such superstitions still.
@taylorbeatty4155
@taylorbeatty4155 2 жыл бұрын
When he said she was buried with the blue shoes that hit hard. Such a beautiful soul gone to soon. RIP!
@vanjamenadzer
@vanjamenadzer 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wish I didn't watch this one. Lets get back to strange and mysterious cases because these kind of videos are nothing but sad.
@katthedogx
@katthedogx 2 жыл бұрын
@@vanjamenadzer I like them though, they are always so interesting and intriguing.
@ouaydeboueroshawe430
@ouaydeboueroshawe430 2 жыл бұрын
I had Luekemia a little over a year ago and a friend of mine showed me your youtube videos because I would constantly look up creepy disappearances and have all of the missing 411 books. And through recovery and the beginning of my remission i binged your entire channel. I think I finally caught up. Thank you for all you do and Its more interesting to me when someone loves the same stuff as I do. Godspeed Friend
@jahnj2523
@jahnj2523 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you
@mikeydubbs8565
@mikeydubbs8565 2 жыл бұрын
Keep fighting the good fight! God bless
@KDu400
@KDu400 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you’re doing well ❤
@carameldiva5131
@carameldiva5131 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations and God bless on your remission ❤️
@ouaydeboueroshawe430
@ouaydeboueroshawe430 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you all
@emmyland3162
@emmyland3162 Жыл бұрын
This story is so creepy to me. I'm a Melburnian and have lived in Box Hill - next to Wattle Park. A polite side note! Your pronunciation is pretty good! Prahran is a tricky one, we say 'P-ran' (like 'pram', don't ask me why), and Melbourne is like Mel-Ben, same as Brisbane.
@Ilovemd-p3f
@Ilovemd-p3f 3 ай бұрын
True, crazy English language.
@bbond7840
@bbond7840 2 жыл бұрын
Your storytelling skills have got my 71 year old mother hooked! I had to set her up her own KZbin account and she only follows three people. You, and two very opposite style channels! Thanks from me and my mom for giving us something new to bond over.
@MrBallen
@MrBallen 2 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome!
@crabbygramma5553
@crabbygramma5553 2 жыл бұрын
Us Gramma’s never get too old for a Good Story. 72 years old here. 🥂😊
@bbond7840
@bbond7840 2 жыл бұрын
@@crabbygramma5553 y’all never age past 39 anyway. That’s what my nana always said!!
@heatherward9443
@heatherward9443 2 жыл бұрын
as an Australian mother, this story really hit me hard. I know that sounds so shallow , but watching all these stories I can feel sadness and anger but not fear. I have a daughter who I know is a warrior princess but also would help anyone in distress. To think that there is that sort of evil jealousy makes my heart ache and wish I could wrap ALL the daughters up in protective arms
@alleykitten214
@alleykitten214 2 жыл бұрын
This story also resonates with me, but because my name is rachael
@joseph-mariopelerin7028
@joseph-mariopelerin7028 2 жыл бұрын
knowing she's out there living her best life right now... that makes me sick! how can Rachel mom and dad let that slide and keep on?? its beyond my understanding...
@sdraper2011
@sdraper2011 2 жыл бұрын
That doesn't sound shallow. That sounds like you're a good and loving mom. ♥
@MNW0705
@MNW0705 2 жыл бұрын
We have to stop teaching our daughters that they are only pretty if they are skinny, or have a certain kind of hair, or whatever. To hate yourself so much that you would commit the most heinous crime anyone could commit, to take that beautiful girl away from her family and steal her life. She is so mentally ill she should have never gotten out of a mental institution or jail. She will offend again.
@GardenGuy1942
@GardenGuy1942 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah seizures can be traumatic, I’m happy the victims parents were able to apologize to her
@danielwhatarethose
@danielwhatarethose 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is so addictive I literally watched every episode. I feel sad but also accomplished
@danieloshea3326
@danieloshea3326 2 жыл бұрын
Why sad? I used to like him a lot cause he uploaded a lot more but now he uploads one videos week and the videos are full of ads. The podcasts were nice but he sold out to Amazon. And I'm poor and nearly homeless
@Marvin16495
@Marvin16495 2 жыл бұрын
@@danieloshea3326 Keep your head up
@danieloshea3326
@danieloshea3326 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marvin16495 hard to do. Sadness
@sages101
@sages101 2 жыл бұрын
@@danieloshea3326 same man, I hate all the ads. I understand, but hate it.
@pippa3150
@pippa3150 2 жыл бұрын
Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. You are complaining about FREE CONTENT which is provided for you by way of these ads. And all you can do is complain. Do you work for free? Well neither should he. Almost homeless? Why don't you sell your smart phone. Money for you and you can put those monthly phone payments towards rent. And instead of watching videos, perhaps work a little more. So many jobs out there it's insane. Jesus.
@ytandbonw
@ytandbonw Жыл бұрын
This is one of the rare cases I already knew about before, but I still wanted to listen to Mr Ballen's retelling. Very tragic.
@Freddyfrm18
@Freddyfrm18 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Veterans day Mr.Ballen and thank you for your service. Love your channel keep up the great work!
@ZombieSazza
@ZombieSazza 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe the police really ignored a missing child report, knowing she was 15, and just said “come back to us *in a couple of days* and then we’ll do something”, such huge neglect from the authorities.
@LilKitten9620
@LilKitten9620 2 жыл бұрын
Its bizarre to me that it was in Australia, Im used to the US police doing that but it was crazy to realize its (unfortunately) a regular occurrence😟🙁
@largol33t1
@largol33t1 2 жыл бұрын
The "police' are NEVER there for us. I really don't care about all this "defund" the police movement. It makes no difference to me.
@sevrinaanastasia
@sevrinaanastasia 2 жыл бұрын
When I heard that I was surprised too, especially because it was so unlike Rachel.
@Floateritos
@Floateritos 2 жыл бұрын
@Prince Woke it’s still like that. Gotta wait 1-2 days
@marybarry2230
@marybarry2230 2 жыл бұрын
Agree! Even though sad to say it would have been too late to save her but at least they might have known a lot sooner.
@kalielik
@kalielik 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I find weird is that Caroline didn't even look ugly. She herself wad pretty in her own way. Jealousy is really something scary. Rest in Peace Rachel
@thrillho4209
@thrillho4209 2 жыл бұрын
By the way she described herself you'd think she was this hideous hag but she really wasn't - not on the outside, at least. Low self-esteem can do crazy things to your self-perception.
@mrkennedy4394
@mrkennedy4394 2 жыл бұрын
Right. Lose the weight, get a nose job without freaking killing someone! She could of even changed her name without killing her
@ademoss80
@ademoss80 2 жыл бұрын
She is, but she didn't see herself that way. This was a very thought out crime so I'm thinking it's something a lot deeper than just jealousy. But it's possible I just can't wrap my head around it since Im not someone who gets over jealous.
@kayleigh3648
@kayleigh3648 2 жыл бұрын
Right? And how she went on about how big her nose was… I’m like wtf?!? My nose 3-4 times as big as that lol. But ya, she didn’t have a large nose and didn’t look that badly overweight or have acne like all of her beliefs… Body dysmorphia maybe? Idk, she’s just psycho all around 😳
@TotalContemplation
@TotalContemplation 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing: she even had that cute dimple you can tell makes a beautiful smile. But an ugly self perception is difficult to overcome. Still no excuse for her atrocious behavior. THAT makes her very, very ugly.
@Vicki-v6v
@Vicki-v6v 3 ай бұрын
How can MrBallen keep a straight face when directing listeners to the “like” button. I find his descriptions hilarious. Of course his story telling is fantastic, could listen and watch him for hours. ❤
@zayyangwandu8561
@zayyangwandu8561 2 жыл бұрын
I kept it together until he said "...Rachel was buried with the blue shoes that she so wanted to buy". Heart wrenching story.
@AmandaJ-bl6nv
@AmandaJ-bl6nv 2 жыл бұрын
This is an extremely sad story that still affects us to this day. I have very close friends that attended the dance school with her and lived this. She will never be forgotten ❤ And it makes us so angry that Caroline is free and living anonymously.
@polkadots716
@polkadots716 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very sorry for your loss, M J. I can't imagine how angry you and Rachel's other friends and family must feel because it made me so angry to hear that Caroline is out of prison and I didn't even know Rachel. May you find peace. ❤
@michaeldupree2502
@michaeldupree2502 2 жыл бұрын
Would think they have civil court where they can sue her or at least put liens on property. It may seem vengeful but she has to pay more than 15 years.
@amberleeruano
@amberleeruano 2 жыл бұрын
Prayers to all who knew her. Such a sad ending and karma is real..
@LOLRabbleRouser
@LOLRabbleRouser 2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t be hard to find her.
@wendyfoster4313
@wendyfoster4313 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOLRabbleRouser tell us when you do
@stephanies7937
@stephanies7937 2 жыл бұрын
What a selfish person Caroline turned out to be! It's surprising that no one else close to her realized how imbalanced she truly had become. I can't imagine losing a child to such a selfish and demented individual. Fifteen years isn't nearly enough time to serve for such an elaborate and evil plot being carried out , which resulted in Rachel's murder. I feel so bad for her family.
@alimachowdhury7435
@alimachowdhury7435 2 жыл бұрын
She was only 20 yrs old so I’m also curious why her family members weren’t able to notice the warning signs if there were any.
@R4G4M3MN0N
@R4G4M3MN0N 2 жыл бұрын
@@alimachowdhury7435 because majority of parents on this day and age are extremely complacent
@carlyc9104
@carlyc9104 2 жыл бұрын
Probably because this happened back in 1999. In Australia we are legally adults at 18, not 21 as in America. Back in 1999 it was quite normal to finish school at 15/16 years old and be out in the workforce earning a living. Caroline worked full time, was described as a bit of a quiet loner by work colleagues. She lived alone in her inner city apartment. She was somewhat estranged from her family due to her mental health issues. Look for a book called “Perfect Victim” it’s a book written by Rachel’s mother and explains a lot more in depth what happened. The girls were not close at all as was reported in the video and had in fact not seen each other in over 5 years. Rachel’s younger sister Ashleigh was friends with Caroline’s younger sister and at one time had lived on the same street as each other but Rachel’s mother mentions it a few times in the book that the families were not close at all and hardly knew each other. Caroline had babysat for them once, so even the title is a bit click-baity
@21stcenturystrengthethos47
@21stcenturystrengthethos47 2 жыл бұрын
@@carlyc9104 an adult is legally 18 years old in america, i am from america and i know this. 21 is the legal drinking age which does not coincide with the legal age of adulthood
@carlyc9104
@carlyc9104 2 жыл бұрын
@@21stcenturystrengthethos47 oh, sorry, my mistake. Both times I have been to the us it sort of looked like at 18 you weren’t really allowed to drink or gamble and most were still completing their schooling and living with their parents. In 1999 in Australia by the age of 20 one would be expected to be finished their schooling/training and be working full time and living away from their parents. It’s all changed now and most kids are still at school until they are 18, even the ones who want to learn a trade now have to complete grade 11 & 12. Back in 1999 you could leave in grade 10 if you wanted to
@artwithmamafairybreadd
@artwithmamafairybreadd Жыл бұрын
I started crying when u said they buried her blues shoes with her…. So sorry Rachael…🌹🌹❤️🌹
@saucywench
@saucywench 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard this story on a few other channels, but this is a completely different perspective with a lot more details. So incredibly sad to be betrayed in such a heinous way.
@paradice7703
@paradice7703 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a reupload for a minute cos I knew the story. I can't remember where I heard it first, though. Maybe Hailey Elizabeth?
@KarleeM76
@KarleeM76 2 жыл бұрын
@@paradice7703 I believe that's where I've also seen it. But, I also live within the same city as this case so I knew about it ahead of time 😅
@WolfkingSybren
@WolfkingSybren 2 жыл бұрын
It's sad to see how Rachel's fears became a reality...everything she was affraid of in the beginning, now actually happened...but in a form she didn't see coming. Sad story
@redefinedliving5974
@redefinedliving5974 2 жыл бұрын
Makes one think if this is the reason why she actually fears them in the first place
@Valhalla_Outdoors
@Valhalla_Outdoors 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Ballen is the best story teller on any platform hands down. It’s great you cover these stories and spread the word
@perperald21
@perperald21 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he is entertaining, a wee bit to much fictionalising the ictims and perpetrators thougts maybe, and even if a tram/streetcar is a sort of a train, it IS a tram/streetcar. Melbourne has the largest tramway system in the world.
@ClaytonBigsby93
@ClaytonBigsby93 2 жыл бұрын
@@perperald21 huh? I’ve never seen MrBallen do any sort of those embellishments and I’ve watched every video he’s put out.
@perperald21
@perperald21 2 жыл бұрын
@@ClaytonBigsby93 so his reading of thoughts of people that died , and never could tell what they thought is not embellishments? And the thoughts of perps that never were uttered anywhere likewise? I am aware that reads books about the cases, but the writers of these could not know these thoughts themselves, they är fictionalising the characters thoughts
@VivianRodriguez37
@VivianRodriguez37 Жыл бұрын
I'm definitely watching this movie- thanks for the reference!
@bernadetteallen6955
@bernadetteallen6955 2 жыл бұрын
It takes a special kind of talent that only Mr Ballen has to be so engaging! His level of entertainment w/subject matter chosen & HOW he elects to tell the stories are off the charts AMAZING!
@MrBallen
@MrBallen 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@seratonin7004
@seratonin7004 2 жыл бұрын
I think part of the secret is the detail he weaves into his storytelling that brings it to life.
@kaz1313
@kaz1313 2 жыл бұрын
I knew the Barber family , my son went to primary school with Heather and Ashley Rose. Such a sad, tragic story, we lived around the corner from them and remember very well what happened. RiP beautiful Rachel.
@jera8258
@jera8258 2 жыл бұрын
It hurts so much to watch innocent kids be taken advantage of. As always you've done a great job presenting this sad story
@corinasowe5485
@corinasowe5485 2 жыл бұрын
This story broke my heart, it's mostly always the people we trust the most, that hurt and betray us in ways we could never imagine. RIP Rachel, I'm so sorry for her poor family. Such a beautiful girl, a precious life taken too soon.
@romeowandrainbow1040
@romeowandrainbow1040 2 жыл бұрын
Rachael was scared of the dark and scared of strangers and ended up being strangled by her own babysitter. Maybe there is no point in being scared of anything as life is so bonkers you can’t predict it. 🤷‍♀️ Rest in peace Racheal you were literally ( and spiritually ) too beautiful for this world. 🤍
@luvsupreme
@luvsupreme 2 жыл бұрын
Best comment this year 👌🏾
@EveHyland-in8jb9ti9y
@EveHyland-in8jb9ti9y 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not scared of the dark, I'm scared of the maniacs in the dark. 15 yrs is a piss poor sentence and i agree they shouldn't get out. Rest in paradise Rachel. 🙏🌹❤️
@Goldie789
@Goldie789 2 жыл бұрын
This was extremely sad. I can picture my babysitter & she was super sweet. I can picture the kids that I babysat for & i never ever could have hurt them. I have 3 grown kids & 4 grandkids now. Stories like these make me worry so much about the fact that you just can't trust anyone these days. It's heart breaking. I feel so sad for her family. That's such a devistating way to lose their beautiful daughter. 💔😢😥🙏
@MyTimelord11
@MyTimelord11 2 жыл бұрын
Basically. I recently began to truly understand the popular phrase "its a jungle out there." I'm lucky enough to have never really understood until now. I always thought "well that isn't true. We are civilized there is so much order in the world." But when you think about it there really is danger around every corner. Decisions you are constantly making for your survival. Humans are predator and prey to one another. It's wild out there. It's a scary thought but like also kinda thrilling. It won't change. The only thing that can change is one's attitude.
@cadavreambulant3626
@cadavreambulant3626 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if those fears had something to do with the babysitter in the first place
@jessiekitty7492
@jessiekitty7492 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness how sad.. that poor mother probably has guilt thinking if she would have just bought her daughter the shoes.. awful
@ingridmckernan5102
@ingridmckernan5102 3 ай бұрын
This story was heartbreaking 😢😢 I am from Melbourne Australia so the story peaked my interest straight away. Our laws are BS!! Caroline only served 15 years, what a disgrace. The fact that Rachel was buried with her blue shoes really got to me 😓😓
@mikeycota
@mikeycota 2 жыл бұрын
It is so rad to see billboards promoting you in Austin! You are an amazing story teller!
@Kilnor
@Kilnor 2 жыл бұрын
Some human beings are capable of such terrible things while others exude love and empathy. This story truly broke my heart.
@adeenbenyasharal5412
@adeenbenyasharal5412 2 жыл бұрын
Not all mankind are human. Once people understand and accept that, they'll understand the reasons behind some people's actions.
@SeraCheeseQueen
@SeraCheeseQueen 2 жыл бұрын
Melbourne is generally a safe city, but every now and then we get these freak tragedies. They're always a case of "wrong place, wrong time" and it's enough to make you scared to go out. She was afraid of so much... and her fears came true. Rest In Peace Rachel 💜
@mattcurcic5585
@mattcurcic5585 2 жыл бұрын
This was much more then "wrong place wrong time". This is a deranged human being who meticulously planned a murder in order to become that person. These people should just be executed instead now she will probably still reproduce and create the next deranged nut job.
@samanthafairweather9186
@samanthafairweather9186 2 жыл бұрын
Sydney's better! Just thought I'd throw in some of the old Melbourne vs Sydney rivalry.
@KarleeM76
@KarleeM76 2 жыл бұрын
@@samanthafairweather9186 I live in Melbourne and never been to Sydney. However, I think they both have their moments. But South Australia has some of the worse cases I've heard like the bodies in the barrels
@samanthafairweather9186
@samanthafairweather9186 2 жыл бұрын
@@KarleeM76 Yes! Also the family murders and Truro Murders.
@Reddzion
@Reddzion 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't melb full of the Lebanese gangs though? That's what i keep hearing anyway
@Hollz811
@Hollz811 2 ай бұрын
I couldn't help but laugh at the serious attempts of saying suburbs correctly. My fav was Prarahn.
@jhawk4480
@jhawk4480 2 жыл бұрын
Sad thing is, Caroline wasn’t an ugly person as far as looks. Sad that she had so little self worth that she felt taking Rachel’s life would fix her life. Doesn’t take long to smile and say hello to someone and just visit for a minute.
@skycendre257
@skycendre257 2 жыл бұрын
makes me think how some murderous, self proclaimed "incels" are perfectly normal looking boys, a couple of them good looking by societal standards
@plantbasedsenior4240
@plantbasedsenior4240 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Makes you wonder about her background that she was so self-loathing.
@dm-qy3yu
@dm-qy3yu 2 жыл бұрын
exactly, she looked like a person who would be illustrated as a beautiful woman in a classical painting . she really needed a professional help for her mental status
@skycendre257
@skycendre257 2 жыл бұрын
@@plantbasedsenior4240 probably traumatized to the point of insanity, or a psychopath to begin with
@lizardog
@lizardog 2 жыл бұрын
Those were my thoughts, as well.
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