Turkey Tries to Make a Elcan

The 3E AVCI is a full feature Elcan analog that is produced for the Turkish military.
However 3E seems pretty interested in selling to the US market.
How'd it hold up?
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[@realfnneato3111]

calling their bluff and breaking the last optic was a pretty baller move

[@BrassFacts]

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[@realfnneato3111]

@@BrassFacts should make a follow up if they feel froggy and try to blacklist/cancel you for exposing their shittery

[@gepgeckodile3015]

It hurt watching it drop but it is what must be done to get that GEN 2 the proper upgrades

[@BrassFacts]

@@gepgeckodile3015 thanks for the sacrifice.

[@gepgeckodile3015]

@@BrassFacts it had to be done plus side the cad filea for the gen 2 do be looking pretty smooth now and with the addition of the planned mount changes should be a solid optic finally

[@johnsheppard7175]

Man, an Elcan competitor is a product I'd really like. I kind of want to see Primary Arms make one in their GLx line. That'd be cool.

[@mtnbound2764]

me tooo!

[@markrichards7452]

holy warrior (chinese) eclan copy for 200 USD idk how it is but it exists

[@mtnbound2764]

@@markrichards7452 yeah no thanks

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

@@markrichards7452 At that price, with what it's attempting to mimic? airsoft.

[@aaa3d473]

I want them to do a plx prism so bad

[@drtyhay]

If 3E could figure out the problems with this and sell it for anywhere close to half the price of an actual elcan, I'd totally be on board to get one.

[@SatanasExMachina]

3E: "Absolutely impossible!" Brass Facts: "So, for my next demonstration..."

[@rhd26]

The best part about the elcan is that it looks cool, this looks like a nerf optic

[@BrassFacts]

yeah but, nerf or nothing.

[@barca8341]

I honestly liike the way it looks.

[@D.M.Luiz.]

My favorite thing lately is optics manufacturers calling reviews liars when their products don't live up to their marketing. There seems to be a lot of that lately

[@zakkbrown9522]

Promethean

[@mtnbound2764]

"nononno you didnt use it right!" " see its not designed to be dropped." please test again.

[@nomad155]

Focus Tripp doing work

[@Osprey1994]

I have seen one case...you can't call one instance of that, "a lot" and even if you see two, that isn't a lot. Most optic manufacturers don't say shit.

[@TheBollywoodBullet]

@@zakkbrown9522 1: The Promethean is not Turkish made. 2: The review was not called out for its negativity towards the product. It was called out due to false allegations the reviewer made about the company. Check your facts before spreading misinformation.

[@retiredrecon]

Man imagine if PA did a PLX prism in this style.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

No thanks

[@aaa3d473]

Just a plain plx prism would be nice.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

​@@mrs.vasquezz Only no in these parts is the one where you get no bitches

[@Hoplopfheil]

So instead of being two prisms on a lazy susan it's two prisms on a ferris wheel.

[@pepejpg5039]

Weeeeeee!!! 🎡🎡🎡🎡

[@BrassFacts]

inb4 the next elcan videos copies that.

[@oo-ru5lt]

Amazing that no design like the Elcan has been made in 20 years until now

[@Riname-K]

Russia does russian things. They had the NPZ PSU and PO104. I quite like the PSU, holds zero and all, but not gonna deny it has faults.

[@Riname-K]

@@Welhung the faults with the PSU were more of a quality and electronics thing, otherwise I found myself using it more than a LPVO for its benefits. Holographics haven’t really changed at all.

[@JackkDevil]

If you have astigmatism or any eye problem like that LPVO and prismatic are you best option.​@@Welhung

[@Riname-K]

@@Welhung my main is actually a acog/dot combo but okay. Thanks.

[@poip202]

Cause the acog is better and cheaper. Elcan does look cool though 😎

[@The_PotionSeller]

Primary arms needs to quit messing around and make their own for 8-900 with a nice acss reticle. Maybe I'm too wishful there, but I can imagine a world where it happens

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I'm still waiting for a 4x prism from PA.....i got a 5x though because, well, its PA.

[@SinginShooter]

A GLx 4x for ~$500 first, then Elcan from Japan for $1200.

[@nateeller2683]

I would say that this optic is a no go at this point, thank you for warning us ahead of time, but a gen 2 may be interesting, though given the reputation of Turkish knockoffs, i wont be holding my breath

[@justinblower7598]

I love it when a company says, "You're wrong, that never happened."

[@deltathirtyfour]

It’s a step in a direction :)

[@wyattterrell]

Turcan will hopefully improve by gen 2

[@andreivaldez2929]

Waiting for IRL patches on their products

[@kbng02]

Skip gen 2 or even gen 3 of the 'turd-can' if they ever made it to the US market.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Turkey is like the IRL of a "Live Service Model": gotta wait for the 1.2 patch for it to work right.

[@onurbozkurt2431]

I wonder if this could be the reason why Turkish commandos chose ASELSAN A940 instead of 3E AVCI. It would be great to review the A940 on top of this, but I don't know if Aselsan sells it to the civilian market. 🤔

[@zulucobra]

That was excactly what I thought as well. I always wondered why they ditched AVCI and selected A940 instead. I would like to see a comparison video too.

[@alexmaurice4274]

R these on the American market either?

[@wupet]

I'm excited to see what they come up with next! great video love seeing dogo at the end.

[@TailSpin215]

I can't wait until Lead and Steel comes out with their Elcan competitor!

[@Sig_P229]

Whatever happened to those guys? Did they fold yet

[@gr6373]

This is it

[@CantoniaCustoms]

@@Sig_P229 they were basically selling some Chinese optic in the first place lmao. "Made in Hong Kong" is a hilarious misnomer, because Hong Kong does not have industry relative to mainland China. It's a financial hub.

[@Kevin117]

This is exactly it.

[@mikerodix4800]

This is the best gear channel on KZbin by far please keep bringing us wierd gear to watch you review even if it's just to remind us why we don't buy wierd gear

[@That_Guy5575]

0:22 😏

[@MisterLongShot_Official]

New watcher of your videos. I came for the good info, but i stayed for the Cowboy Bebop. Well done sir!

[@seang1032]

Never seen or even heard of an optic that makes things look like they're further away. Now that's some cutting edge technology!!

[@jik294]

Well, that's a good sign their listening to feedback. Would love to see something like this come to market. I can get past the 1x and clarity issues. IMO, the clarity doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, same with the 1x. But the POI shift and the breaking of plastic parts from dropping, is a big turn off. Hopefully they'll get that sorted out. the Doctors Cut only is unfortunate, but can be dealt with. would still prefer a RMR cut.

[@JADC1111]

Everyone wants an Elcan until they get one….

[@sauceboss3101]

BF: has actual issues with optic 3E: nuh uh

[@joshpagano1905]

Slight comment: The elcan actually rotates about the Y axis, this optic rotates about the X

[@codycarlton3719]

Ahh a man of culture using the cowboy bebop theme music

[@xxxlonewolf49]

TANK! My alarm clock sound, bebop music is amazing.

[@James_Bee]

"Bebop music is amazing" That's jazz, baby.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

@@James_Bee All jazz? No.

[@luckyomen]

In regards to the broken QD, I recommend just swapping for a standard nut and bolt and then find a way to attach the original clamping pieces that act as the picatinny interface surfaces to that nut and bolt.

[@thewiezman]

went on a internet spiral trying to find out what this was from your mdr video. Couldn’t find it for sale, makes sense you had to import them.

[@candrox4324]

Dude I love watching your videos while playing games or eating. Thank you so much for the awesome content!

[@COLT45Studios]

Wasn't expecting to hear tank. Awesome as always Brock.

[@gepgeckodile3015]

I am very excited for the gen2 to think this all came about because I wanted to fuck with L&S

[@canadianpatriot2498]

You should really check out the fixed 4x elcan specter. Way cheaper than the 1-4, and at least in Canada its also way cheaper than most acogs. Incredibly awesome and slept on optic. I switched to it from a TA11 Acog and havent looked back

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

As far as I can tell, it’s no longer in production. Doesn’t matter much though, it is *significantly* less durable than the ACOG, so yeah it’s basically like buying what is essentially a fake ACOG and you’re trading off durability to save $40 😂

[@canadianpatriot2498]

@rifleshooterchannel208 you're telling me that an elcan specter, which is the elcan specter DR minus the 1x, is significantly less durable than an acog? I find that extremely hard to believe.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@canadianpatriot2498 I’m saying the DR’s 1x capability is worth taking the reduction in durability but yes they are both significantly less durable than the ACOG by virtue of their exposed adjustments and fragile-as-glass potmetal mounting levers.

[@canadianpatriot2498]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 has that been an issue? Fragile is the last thing people would use to describe elcans. They've been proven to be equally bombproof as acogs

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@canadianpatriot2498 There is no mounting system on the market more fragile than ARMS mounts. Yes it’s a huge issue. Just read reports of things using ARMS mounts just falling off the gun because the little 1/100th of an inch thick wafer of sheet metal they use for “mounting tension” wore out.

[@judgestacker9472]

Yes needs an RMR mount, an ACSS reticle, and cost around $1k.

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Guns, guns, and a dash of existential questioning of existence - without commentary on all the other nonsense. Subscribed

[@brrrt7623]

Thank you for shouting C_does. He has been my go to source for rifle optic reviews for years.

[@bghiggy]

I've been waiting on a video to drop about this thing

[@foxreed3267]

Looks like they shoved elcan features in a leupold hamr chassis

[@synapticproductions541]

Competitor to the Elcan, and a competitor to the Eotech would be a dream!

[@950rpm]

I have a Vortex Viper PST 1-6x and I think it actually is closer to 0.8ish - 6x. However I think its a pretty cool feature for indoors. As Bob Ross would say, “its a happy little accident”

[@noah.s95]

With the diopter setting my eyes need for LPVOs, I also get like 0.9x. Sickening outdoors

[@kbng02]

Ouch! $1400-ish for a turd-can... Thanks for taking one for the team

[@nekokyun]

Dang... It's hard for the poors to get a good optic out here.

[@BrassFacts]

getting btfo'd

[@samzeng159]

Its never been easier and cheaper actually. Even on the low end like the SLx series are light years better than budget optics 2 decades ago. Actually I don't think you could buy a decent sight for under 1-2K 20 years ago.

[@wc4201]

LPVO > Aimpoint/EOTech & magnifier > Elcan > ACOG & RMR

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

You got that backwards. Its a common mistake to use < and > incorrectly. The easiest way to remember is that < looks like a crocogater and its trying to eat the bigger value. Example: 1 < 4 or 10 > 5

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

How do you get around the cowboy bebop copyright at 12:45. Do you just have to play it super soft?

[@Sensorium19]

I have a soft spot for the Elcan being Canadian myself and liking prism optics. that said the external zero has always been a point of jankiness as I've read. Just an arm chair opinion. IRL operators feel free to come at me. Being exposed to the elements just makes less secure than an all internal design.

[@Hawkeye-oe8fu]

NPZ makes a 1-4 and a 1.5-6 Russian Elcan knockoff for under 600 bucks, and they work pretty damn well

[@biggboysouth]

I looked into that one earlier in the year the reviews were pretty mixed. Seems like quality control across them is hit or miss.

[@dothedewinme]

@@biggboysouthjust buy 4 bro.

[@dib0018]

Love the Cowboy Beebop music at the end.

[@S.Collins]

A940 Turkish elcan at home review next.

[@SamSam-ih6nt]

My guy drivin that forester

[@bulldaggerwatkins190]

Nova is a very good dog.

[@logiciskindness]

Super good video- thanks

[@czlover7531]

Love the cowboy bebop drop!

[@sliderofelay]

Figuring out the zero adjustment on this system is going to be difficult. If they nail that and fix the other issues it will be a very interesting optic. They do that and have a price in the middle LPVO cost range and they will have my attention. But better to take some time to get it right and then fire up the old hype train.

[@Bender_B._Rodriguez]

Just get the PA gen 3 slx 5X if you want acog at home, put a dot on top for elcan in video game.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The new PA prisms dont support a good piggyback mount. The previous models have a 12 o'clock rail on them and its tragic that PA neglected piggyback dots on their new models.

[@Aizazell]

Great review there is potential there however, In my opinion....ACOG and 45° offsets from Duekes for the win

[@aermotors]

LOL wut?! Mfg said your review was impossible? Gross. This cant be a recommend ever. BF doing the lords work as usual. Thank you for this.

[@FATMAN_tactical]

3D print will likely crush or creep in this use, i would recommend using aluminum as a shim.

[@brenttesterman3171]

3:19 Nice reload buddy!

[@NikolaosKorelis]

If you looking for the plastic part Use parts from a bike Bikes has similar system that lock the wells

[@MrAwesomeness77777]

You should check out the A940 scope, the military variant Turkish Elcan made by Aselsan

[@onpsxmember]

I looked at it...could be worth testing. Funny stuff they sell like that knockoff Eotech called 'Holobright' with little information and bubble buttons on the back while the magnifier is behind it. There is no chance that's holographic.

[@draxianhyserski1654]

Actually AVCI is also being made fro Turkish military. Kinda funny how bad is this. I suspect that this Aselan has the same problems as AVCI.

[@michaelserna6673]

Nova is the best part of this video

[@gunsgonewilder5058]

Dude, you shot the table.

[@BrassFacts]

yeh, that's what the table is for, practicing really cutting it close on exposure.

[@SaberSoft]

At least all the problems are in the mount and not the optic itself so it should be easier for them to fix. However I’d appreciate it if you’d also do a little more durability testing on the optic to see if the switch from 1x to 4x is also a weak point down the line as that seems to be the next logical failure point

[@dib0018]

Delta 34 is the no zero cal channel.

[@braxtonnelson7976]

Look at you enjoying the MDR. hehe

[@bananaoperations7624]

oh boy that elcan looking thing I asked about!

[@IceNinja2007]

The "1x" setting feels like its set slightly myopic to give you slightly more "Field of view" in CQB situations. Just my opinion.

[@John_439]

If only Primary Arms made an elcan copy

[@snakebite210]

Brassfacts Friday 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Raumschutz]

Wish they did a fixed 4x and fixed the mount. Could be cheaper, and lighter. The 1x isnt really needed if one is running a reddot on top (at high mount height for nv use and upright posture)

[@leo78744]

That jacket is swaggy, share the link brah.

[@JoeKickass762]

That's a hell of a coat you got there. Where does one buy it?

[@BrassFacts]

costco

[@Christoph-sd3zi]

The Gay Indian Store

[@JoeKickass762]

@@Christoph-sd3zi ghey

[@sleigh4019]

Yeah wanted elcan in 2011 haha I grew up

[@seanconway9692]

The tank speed run review needs to be a new segment on new videos

[@kenadams2124]

Rule #1: Never ever buy anything from Turkey. Rule #2: If you get tempted by the low price of a turkish product that would normally cost double or four times that much, return to Rule #1.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Every time a see a cheap Turkish shotgun I think "that person could have bought a Maverick 88 for $10 more"

[@Will-W]

Woohoo! Was waiting from the other day.

[@Will-W]

After watching the review, oof. Looks like sticking to Primary Arms 5x/HS509T is the way to go for looking at being poor and wanting magnification and 1x in the "same" package.

[@20alroco]

Is lead and steel going to sell this as an "original product" as well?

[@gr6373]

That's the plan

[@pelagicdesperado9875]

I like how in the beginning of the video, a suspiciously bullet shaped dent appears on the side of the table after the jump cut. Did you accidentally shoot your table?

[@BrassFacts]

yeah it's covered in bullet holes. If you skip to the video later you can see it happening. The purpose of the table is working cover without caring if I mess up height over bore.

[@timsmith6479]

Depending on price it would be a bit of a hard sell when you can find like new used Elcans for $1400

[@caseyf2453]

I heard the company lead and steel is also working on an elcan clone too. Hopefully theirs will not have as bad of a mount. Really like the elcans but that price tag is rough.

[@samuelyoung4646]

I saw the same problem with the Burris LPVO 1X, the 1x setting was noticeably NOT a true 1x, it was like .5x as the car I was looking at was larger to the naked eye than the 1x setting by a good bit.

[@cronoslamar4061]

I actually prefer variable optics that do that because it kinda gives you more fov than the naked eye

[@nathangrennan4804]

Anyone else notice the few degrees of cant of the big horizontal part of the reticle? At first I questioned if I was really seeing it, but then he showed the Elcan that looked right.

[@ragin2490]

Great Info, Thanks.

[@ripnwo1984]

24oz, oof. With a dot on top, I don't see the point of the 1x. How about a 3-6 or something? That would be cool. Also, lighter.

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

Wonder if Lead and Steels copycat spectre will be like this?

[@coppertone3293]

It will be. I mean their rds is the same one that 3e makes

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

@@coppertone3293 (tim curry) well... how bout that...

[@m.7n6]

I wonder if we will get AKs from turkey since we are getting a lot of gun accessories from turkey

[@rzr2ffe325]

It’s not a “TurkCan” so much as an “ElTurk” The Elcan originally comes from Canada

[@TrollinCrazyRussian]

I'm not fan at all of elcan or any optic w external adjustment due to susceptibility to loss of zero from foreign matter interfering with zeroing screws and mating surface of that screw top to flats. For example if dirt, debris, or mud gotten splattered on optic underside and then as I shoot the optic does it usual spring loaded hops under recoil. (those optic leave and return to zero every time you shoot or touch it. The optic will wiggle if you wiggle it and the zero wiggle away only to return to zero under spring tension as soon you let go of it.) but as it leave zero the space between adjustment screw tip and plate is open and easily occupied by foreign matter. Now if I get spattered with mud then I shoot few time every time I shoot the optic hops and sand/mud creep toward adjustment screw only to get under adjustment screw at one of time the optic hops and now when optic want to return to it's home position it cannot because mud occupy the space and now the zero is lost.

[@thalesofmiletus6162]

Just want a 4x with good eye box and fov. Seems like no one has really tried to improve the acog.

[@Greasymarsupial]

Because the acogs perfect

[@thalesofmiletus6162]

@@Greasymarsupial okay boomer

[@Greasymarsupial]

@@thalesofmiletus6162 you hate the truth

[@Furluge]

Who's a good boy?

[@nejinaji]

Wasn't expecting negative magnification. Cmon gen 2. And really a plastic mount. Cmon turkey.

[@Ihasanart]

Considering the shittiness of the mount and how easily it moves and loses zero its closer to a modern reproduction of the SUIT scope than the Elcan.

[@0zmose]

Well, it certainly beats the Elcan when it comes to packaging. $2,000 and the couldn't be bothered to stick a piece of foam in the cardboard box, lol. I guess it shows they're confident in the durability.

[@theo_korner]

🎉if I'll ever get the chance I'll send you a brass fax for the meme of it

[@tatuhsalad608]

Based Cowboy Bepop theme

[@quironmiranda2591]

Imagine an acss variant of this

[@BrassFacts]

well I'd rather imagine a variant that worked first. The reticle is by far the least of the issues (I actually quite like the reticle)

[@quironmiranda2591]

@@BrassFacts I think they’ll fix the issues with it just like how desert tech did with the MDR that the optic was mounted on

[@Horseysauce]

I'm wearing a venture surplus waffle top right now

[@BrassFacts]

gobles

[@roseprecision]

6:42 😍 Who's that guy on the right? 😂💀

[@BrassFacts]

some hobo we found out in the desert :D