The TYRANIDS Hive Mind and the Consciousness of The Great Devourer - Warhammer 40,000 Lore Overview

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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO
00:29 THE MIND OF THE SWARM
00:05:07 THE SHADOW IN THE WARP
00:08:40 NIGHTMARES
00:10:56 UNDERSTANDING THE HIVE MIND. THE ALIEN
00:16:08 EXTENSIONS OF THE HIVE MIND
00:18:22 AWARENESS. CONSCIUSNESS. VENGEANCE
00:21:41 THE MIND - A BATTLEFIELD
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[@lorcanmcloughlin3686]

Wow I'm early

[@hexadecimal5236]

So, if Earth was ever seriously invaded, Hell would surely spill forth from Chaos to attack the Emperor and the Tyranids.

[@MYJEWISHLAMPSHADES]

Kiss of War. Mobile. Im broke lol

[@levjsongs]

You know what I liked the most about this video and in many ways made it unique? It was the noble lady's excerpt. 40k glosses over the simple man / woman on the street and how these titanic events affect them so profoundly. Their fears, their lives before and after, their passions, and their sufferings. Well done!

[@TheRealAnthym]

6:08 This rendition of what the Shadow in the Warp sounds like is fantastic. It's subtle enough that it could be anything, but once you know what it is there's no mistaking it. And it's not a pleasant sound. Knocked it out of the park!

[@sticks7857]

More like this! Necrons were the first warhammer race I really delved into the lore of and I'd love to see an all encompassing video on them come out of this channel.

[@anthonybourdes4636]

Necrons were the second race, the first ones was the old ones.

[@FrankAaron]

@@anthonybourdes4636dude, read 👏🏼to👏🏼 succeed. 👏🏼 He said the first race HE personally fanboyed over. Not the first race in the setting.

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

I play Necrons, I too would LOVE a deep dive. Or anything om Trazyn...

[@V-Bailis]

This creatures are sooo horrifying that makes demonic manifestation seem like nothing. While battling Tyrranids ''Ooo look a demon,how cute''

[@cody1570]

It doesnt help that tyranids adapted to consume raw warp energy so they hunt and feed off of demonic incursions also, making tyranids truely terrifying cause this means they can go into the warp and start devouring everything there also

[@marshaeperry8616]

😧"Oh My God. Can you imagine if these creatures attack Earth?😵

[@robertemerson1087]

Have you not read about chaos in the actual lore.

[@An_Imperial_Guard.]

I really want to see how Titus is going to flex on them just as he did with the Orks and Chaos.

[@danielaxc2900]

Not that I'm super read up or savvy in current sci-fi but the tyranids seem like some of the most fresh and terrifying ideas in modern storytelling. John Carpenter's the Thing except there's endless armies of them and they're all on steroids. They're also just really, really cool by design.

[@DaVikingWizard]

I wish actual story events supported how big of a threat the Tyranids are supposed to be. Every story I have read that involves an invasion of a world with any importance, they are about to overwhelm the defenders, then the ultramarines show up and somehow push them back, which leaves them in a strange place in the story. We're told that they are a dire threat in almost every passage of lore they get ,but they've barely managed to do anything besides scar a few named worlds and destroy an indeterminate number of planets with little to no significance.

[@RS-tr1dq]

I agree. I just tell myself, Chaos has had like 20,000 years to conquer the galaxy and has barely achieved anything; the Tyranids have been trying for 250 years and have nearly destroyed both Macragge and Baal. I know they'll always be the heel badguy that loses every major conflict but it helps me cope😢

[@Z0mgXenu1]

You gotta remember that this is a setting and not a story. They can't advance the plot too much nor give any given faction too much of a lead. Anyway if you look at how far each tendril has breached into the galaxy they have done tremendous damage. They also won the octarius war against the orks. Leviathans only loss was the tendral at Baal. Also the newest book was a Tyranid win as well. If you think about it there are three immediate tendril threats to terra and another one to the galactic south that rampaging as well. They are technically getting the most Ws out of all factions

[@RS-tr1dq]

@@Z0mgXenu1 common tyranid W

[@DaVikingWizard]

@@Z0mgXenu1 While I agree with you for the most part, I find it difficult to acknowledge a threat whose severity depends entirely on whether or not a named character is there to kill the Swarmlord and bring the whole invasion to a crashing halt. Yes they are posed to advance on the galactic core, but as soon as a primarch gets involved they get scattered to the far reaches of the void faster than a casual reader can figure out how to pronounce the character's name.

[@garretth8224]

GW won't let universe ending events happen, they want to continue making money.

[@disgruntledtoons]

It will all come down to whether Nurgle's fiat ability to infect anything will overcome the Tyranids' fiat ability to adapt to anything, and that issue is moot if the Imperium, the Aeldari, or the Tau can replicate the Cadian pylons; anything that can drive back the Warp can block psychic communication of any kind.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Nurgle and the Nids have gotten into a Plague off once. Everyone, including the Deathguard and the Tyranids, lost that day.

[@eduardomarrinhas7942]

You guys are the best at warhammer lore. ( Old world e 40k). Keep the good job

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

Guy Haaleys "Devistation of Baal" Has the best writing on the Hive mind in the setting to date IMO An Ancient Super Intelligence. With Eons to perfect it's warcraft. Responding to and adapting with the battlefield in real time. When he talked about looking into the eye of the beast?! Seeing the ancient knowledge. Something totally foreign to the experience of the creature before him. Horrifying!! That was the first time I started to actually understand the levity of the situation. How absolutely hopeless your world becomes when a hivemind cast its shadow on you.

[@Mindboggles]

If it wasn't for plot armor, Tyranids would've conquered the entire galaxy by now. The writers really didn't hold back lol

[@volrosku.6075]

a single apex predator that hunts on a galactic scale? it is likely the single greatest threat to humanity in all fiction

[@MrMango331]

They don't have access to Faster Than Light travel. They literally lob themselves towards the void and propel themselves forward on bioships.

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

​@@volrosku.6075not even close

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

​@@volrosku.6075Space Monsters(Gunbuster) Navy: Dozens of billions of fighter/soldiers and 19-340+ million capital ships, with sizes varying from 500m landing boats, 3-5 km various cruiser classes, 10km combined space monsters, and 100 km motherships. The largest being 30,000km.[It's likely the dozens of billions of space monsters detected were referring to the capital ships only] Territory: Galactic nucleus, and beyond. Space monsters: Space monsters are described as the white blood cells of the galaxy, and view humans as a virus. They lay their eggs in yellow dwarfs, causing them to age and become red giants before a supernova. The smallest and most numerous space monster is the parasitic soldier at the size of 10 meters. The second smallest are grunts at 40-100 meters. Their capital ships can casually blast through planets(to accurately hit a ship on the other side), destroy chunks of moons in a single blast, and track/attack ships during warp/sub space travel. One space monster turned Titan(Moon) into a volcanic wasteland. Though few in number there were space monsters capable of rivaling the gunbuster machine. They can travel at light speed, and will opt for mass ramming(Self destruct) tactics if needed. In the attempt to kill them using a black hole, it caused them to condense into a gigantic space monster that absorbed the blackhole, utilizing one as a power source. Their main home is the galactic nucleus of the galaxy/supermassive blackhole. Weapons: •Plasma cannons •Flame cannons •Light Ball cannons •Spike like projectiles •Self destruct/Ramming at a percentage of the speed of light

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

​@@volrosku.6075Dr who: Daleks created the reality bomb, which would have destroyed every universe, timeline, and dimension and created a shelter to protect themselves from it. They were in a time war throughout space and time for over 400 years. They had over 10 million ships with gigaton level firepower and qiuntillions of daleks, with virtually impenetrable shields, and a basic dalek can level an apartment building, with one shot at full power. Multiple, SEPERATE versions of Cybermen have conquered their own number of universes. The Cybermen in nightmare in silver could upgrade themselves to run at 117-174 miles per second. They were so dangerous the human empire sacrificed a whole galaxy by blowing it up and adopting a dictrine of destroying whatever planet they showed up on. A far weaker variant of Cybermen were capable of making a 150-meter cyberking in 1851 london. They also embody parallel evolution. The concept of replacing flesh with metal and upgrading is a constant. The borg are a varient of cybermen, the mechanicus are a varient of cybermen, the Necrons are a varient of cybermen.

[@marcusbergman6116]

I think tyranids are a biological weapon meant to reset the galaxy and thus calm the warp, created by surviving Old Ones who fled outside the galaxy.

[@volrosku.6075]

and that is the most optimistic theory of their origin.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Is there really any in-lore implication for that, though?

[@volrosku.6075]

@@TitusCastiglione1503 tid bits nothing firm. its among the top theories though.

[@joevines3428]

I think they are a bioweapon but from another galaxy perhaps long dead.

[@alfredkabatay656]

If it is a Old one. His doing his best to help his own race die. The Old Ones have a enemy out there and he is slowly waking up, this enemy even scares the tyranid hives because they don't win even when the battle is over and the enemy is destroyed. Necrons have no warp, no fear, no bio mass. If it is a Old One, He didn't learn shit from his past.

[@stirlingstafford6502]

There is no understanding the xenos. Only the importance of cleansing the alien filth from the stars.

[@kevendillingham2442]

These videos are amazing it’s so immersive and well done this channel doesn’t miss

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

Magnificent job!! Thank you for making this.

[@--SHEPHERD-OF-MOTHER-EARTH--]

Use fire and lots of it!

[@thegametroll6264]

Brother, get the flamer. The HEAVY flamer. Ork version: OY! GRIBBLIES IS COMIN'! GET YER DAKKA OUT LADZ! WAAAAAGH!

[@MagralhoPT]

you dont have enough promethium!

[@54032Zepol]

Here you go hive mind have a snickers, your not you when your hungry.

[@1r0zz]

Think about angering something so much they send a googol of creatures to you like the blood angels did.

[@a.greywolfe4056]

I am thinking they were created by the Old ones who Escaped the galaxy OR IT is the Old ones combined mind.. I wonder if the hive fleets converged on the great rift, if it would close it

[@gerry919]

Thank you alot for another Video of my Favorite Warhammer 40k species. As someone who knows only very littel about 40k I'm very very thankfull for your always awesome work!

[@michaelhughes270]

You guys have been some of my favorite KZbinrs since I watched your grimgore ironhide video back in summer 2020. I would love a necron video and we need skrub to voice it of course!!!!

[@skrubasauras]

I would also love to do a necron video! I don't have control on what videos get slated but I've been ever so curious about the necrons since they resemble one of my favorite factions from fantasy, the Tomb Kings. And thank you for the support!

[@ebonhawken574]

I love the Warhammer community so much!

[@kuehnjakob]

Absolutely stellar voice acting, very well done by everybody

[@skrubasauras]

Thank you! Much appreciated!

[@Zayamad]

It's stupid shit like Tigerius not getting his mind burnt out that irks me in lore. The Hive Mind is a Psyker beyond compare, the weight of the Hive Mind's attention should crush any human psyker that isn't the Big E

[@Hyunckel]

We might have an advantage , using our latent psychic ability we could in theory link and sync with the universes and see glimpse of information that could help us.

[@Kilen_BE]

The single flaw in Tyranids logic is the need of consuming up to the point of leaving a rocky desert behind them everywhere they pass instead of just… producing. With such genetic abilities to create a multitude of living forms to fit their needs, they could easily create basically all types of sub species producing each and every resources they want to feed on, dedicating planets and entire regions to produce there instead of throwing millions of these living forms in the meat grinder. It would cost them much less overall, since countless biomass and minerals and such are wasted (burned, corrupted, etc…) in the worlds they attack before they actually can start harvesting the place. Strictly speaking that would be way more efficient. And maybe just allocate a very small portion of their resources to attack where rare elements are located, there, it would be sensed to attack and consume. Since we can imagine there are some elementary stuffs it couldn’t produce by any means… but for the rest, « collecting biomass » and such, it would be a lot more viable & lucrative to produce it instead of « looting » it. Ofc, that would make them much less dangerous, I guess that’s a necessary « plot flaw » in a sense lol.

[@jordanwhite1547]

no

[@oriondye3212]

Its speculated that the tyrranids are running from something worse, and their stripping all planets of biomass are their attempt to preserve as much life as they can before whatever comes behind them arrives and they must flee again.

[@MagralhoPT]

Can I point you to some logic that might make sense? I had this realization a long time ago and it sounds solid. You are seeing it from the wrong perspective! Simple as! let me elaborate! Tyranids come from outside the galaxy, one can assume that they have been harvesting biomass in other galaxies outside the milky way, the same way they harvest and store for later use, in the current times: correct? the lore states that there are countless of them coming - confirmed by the silent king - correct? it has been rumored that what we see are just the scouting forces, the bulk of the tyranids are yet to arrive, correct? If you agree with all these, let me come to my point. What you consider "consuming and using" instead of "conquer and producing" is flawed. because you think the tyranids NEED that biomass to exist. Now, if they have fed upon even ONE galaxy and store the biomass for later usage - like they do on the planets of the milky way - surely they have more biomass currently in stock than whats probably available in the milky way as we speak. So now the point. Tyranids need not to consume - well they can, as its useful and a reduction on logistics - but they dont NEED it. what they are doing is scorched earth! every single planet that they strip-mine to a barren rock, is another planet that cant be colonized later - without great efforts and time-frames - so its one less vector for attack and a way to keep the front-line moving without issues with reconquering previous territories. Tyranids are not starving! they are starving US! Now would that make sense to you?

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@oriondye3212thats not implied anywhere outside of meme lore

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@MagralhoPThive fleet horror gives us the reason. They want new dna so they can continue to evolve.

[@inujoshwa89]

Dope sick narration

[@Hyunckel]

Considering that the swarm is coming from another universe , on the bright side every unit killed is an addition of matter into our universe. Somehow this could come useful if this matter could be recycled into something else. Could also serve in theory , of food for biological ship design.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

The only good bugs a dead bug I'm doing my part!

[@vladmods]

Excellent.

[@redluke8119]

Would love to see more 40k stuff from you

[@johnconcerto8721]

Great video.

[@BILLIARDman2000]

this channel is tough 🔥

[@hemlocktea6643]

I've been playing mechanicus, don't know if it's still on sale Pretty nice turn based strategy game Gotta wait until space marine 2 to kill Tyranids

[@johnhickersantilan4295]

This tyranids will leave nothing behinds 💀🤪

[@thecarlob_007]

Here’s an interesting concept: What if the tyrranids reason for showing up in this galaxy is because they are not the apex lifeform in theirs and another race rules the top of the foodchain hence the need for them to go elsewhere and feed? And what if their own galaxy the nids are simply considered as prey or pests by these superior race? And what if this superior race suddenly shows up in this galaxy to help eradicate the tyrranid infestation?

[@grimreminder5038]

Imagine being on the fringe of the galaxy, total peace, unknowing of the world outside your skies, then these thrice damned things start being vomited onto your world. Fuck.

[@connorsmith1005]

Every time I hear Tie Ra Nid instead of Tyranid my head hurts.

[@mp_lssj_broly6273]

What's the song at 00:18:49?

[@Potato69]

You'd think the chaos gods would do more against them since they are messing with the warp. With no followers they have no power

[@Reptonious]

Narration: Skrubasaurus Instant watch

[@skrubasauras]

Thank you so much! 🐊 ❤

[@Reptonious]

@@skrubasauras been like that for me since you were the only regular, bud. You're a legend

[@patchez058]

Hive mind is the right kind, baby!

[@thegametroll6264]

Book of choyer, in light of the recent age of sigmar realms of ruin game i would love to see a faction focus video on the kruelboyz and their ways of kunnin' brutality! If you at least consider i would be content. Loved the tyranid video. I collect them aside from orks obviously. ❤

[@patcowley6378]

Like #907 and Subbed...Great narration

[@Goldenblitzer]

Makes me wonder, with no one being able to contact the hive mind, could the emperor, or magnus when he was human, I'd love if even demon magnus had some contact with the nids and he gets in

[@HiveFleetOni]

A being of sufficient power and strength can look at the Hive Mind, maybe even understand some of the information they are seeing. This is what Tigurius did and he was able to predict a few movements of Behemoth and Kraken as a result. It’s not communication though. The Hive Mind is several orders of scale beyond even incredibly powerful beings like the Emperor. It would be like you trying to communicate not with an ant, but with one of the atoms that ant is made from.

[@ODDnanref]

Problem is that it is a swarm of thoughts. All simple things like "move here", "feed", "hide", "move back" and so on. Trying to interpret any strategic information from that is like trying to read binary. Worse part is that it is millions of these per second. Exceptionally strong psychers could probably process that information and gleam something. But it is like trying to split your brain and have a couple hundred thoughts at the same time.

[@MagralhoPT]

@@HiveFleetOni the Tigurius abomination is the worst thing that happened to tyranid concept ever. his brains should have melted like the bug he is. he might be the most powerful psycher in the galaxy, but it should pose no bigger impact than the smartest ant. the reason it was what it was was because of fanboy writers that cant contain themselves and prop up their boys even if it literally ruins the setting for everyone else.

[@covilderagnaros1028]

How strong is the Hive Mind compared to the Chaos Gods?

[@howardhavardramberg7160]

The Great Devourer is too strong. Eats everything, even the Chaos Gods

[@ctjmaughs]

Don't think it will get to that point. Probably devour those greater demons

[@oriondye3212]

If the Tyrranids win and devour the galaxy, then the Chaos gods will just turn their attention to another attention to another reality and continue their game. Its already been stated that the Chaos Gods arent bound to one universe or reality, they can just go elsewhere if they want. Further, The tyrranids don’t really have any way to directly threaten the Chaos gods as they have no real power in the warp besides their shadow. Physically entering the warp would be suicide for them regardless of their numbers.

[@MagralhoPT]

@@ctjmaughs cant eat demons. they are made of warp energy, for now the tyranids prefer grass-fed living matter. maybe if there is no more biomass they need to try other diets, but then again, if there is no more biomass, there is no more emotions left to feed chaos so chaos starves and its no longer a issue.

[@randomcenturion7264]

VICTORY!

[@bigyeticane]

"Untold billions" of tyranids doesn't sound like a big enough number, lol.

[@MagralhoPT]

clearly not. imperial guard fields billions upon billions, I would dare to say trillions even, and the tyranids dwarf those numbers by orders of magnitude.

[@birdstrikes]

Necrons vs Tyranids all in civ on civ for the win

[@theoneaboveall7708]

Emperor save us…

[@orctrihar]

Imagine them going on the rift

[@christmasham4312]

The problem with 40k lore is there will never be a conclusion I guess that’s what makes it fun.

[@NeoIsrafil]

Honestly... i would hope that its a single being, because if its a collective hivemind theres literally no way we're gonna beat them... ive got a lot of faith in the greater good, but i dont think theres any chance of beating a species that gets smarter and stronger as it gets more numerous, combining all that grey matter into one being. We arent gonna outthink that, and wed have to annihilate every member of the species to defeat the hive-being otherwise itd just come back.

[@MagralhoPT]

now take in consideration what the tyranids are doing in the galaxy - literally strip-mining everything in its wake and stockpiling- now consider that they have done so previously in other galaxies. now consider that what we see of the tyraninds are merely the scouting forces and that the galaxy, so far, cant even stop them without major casualties. Now consider what the bulk of the hive mind numbers are and how much biomass they have currently in their "vaults" ready to be formed into tyranids. yeah... there is no way a invasion force with orders of magnitude more biomass than matter in the galaxy is going to be stopped by whatever the different factions can throw at them.

[@mr.revrac5602]

Theres not creature controlling them, the Hive Mind is the Tyranids mind and they are its body.

[@Darkknight12256]

Can u a new video about the chaos dwarfs

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

The most plausible explanation seems to be that it's an emergent consciousness born from a large enough mentally connected race of beings.

[@cegesh1459]

Great story telling. Of course a Ultramarine has plot armor.

[@eddiebendigo7317]

*an

[@MagralhoPT]

ultrasimps are the greatest offenders in the setting.

[@Tiramizur]

Without shadow in the warp, Maybe Grand Father Nurgle could find to corrupt all Tyranid synapse. However, it seems only Necrontyr have found a real solution to prevent both chaos and Tyranid spread around galaxy: Zone of silence aka Pariah Nexus.

[@MagralhoPT]

without the shadow in the warp? the shadow in the warp is a byproduct of the hivemind communication. there is nothing to do with psychic stuff or the warp itself. its just so much back and forth chat and information relay it obscures the warp. Now onto nurgle, tyranids fought the deathguard and nids evolved (albeit a bit slimy) to overcome them. I highly doubt that the pariah nexus will be working for much longer. So far, nids have ovbercame all adversities. the zone of silence is just another hurdle. I mean, nids survived the Ghoul stars region. so what is a pariah nexus in comparison.

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@MagralhoPTwe don’t know what casts the shadow, wraith says its cast by the soul of the Hive Mind, and darkness in the blood shows the shadow as the personification of the Hive Mind in the warp. Either way, its more than a byproduct

[@MagralhoPT]

@@mr.revrac5602 those books are so poorly written that makes me wonder if they even gave any though to what the hive mind is. Plus they come from an era where "space marines are the best thing since sliced bread and here are some enemies for them to fight, dont think too much about it. Buy paint and collect space marines because they are cool" was the norm.

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@MagralhoPT lol by that “era” do you mean 2014 and 2019? And by space marines being op do you mean them almost dying from the shadow in the warp? You obviously haven’t read the books, otherwise you’d know that there are No space marines in wraithflight, so why don’t you tell me what you think happens in those books if your going to start commenting on the quality of them?

[@MagralhoPT]

@@mr.revrac5602 where did I mention that there were space marines on those books? I mention that they come from an era where Xenos were not much more than a punchbag for the space marines. Only more recently they started to flesh out (albeit still lacking) of anything that is not space marines or chaos, as well as making the imperium more morally grey than it used to be. But yeah just jump to conclusions about what or what I have not done or what I know or dont know. I dont really care. Not my fault you perceive things I didn't say.

[@helix4608]

i am not familiar with warhammer 40k at all, but i am a believer of the most simpler and boring answer is usually the truth so if i am to guess: the great devourer is simply the consiousness created by the fusion of all its organisms and because of that its existence as well as its strenght its dependant on the existence of the sworm as well as theyre numbers, all for acieving one real objective: amass enought life source and have the blueprint of creating a body that can sustain its psyhic power in its entirety allowing to also achieve a material body not just a spiritual one with equivalent ''stats'' thus even if all the sworm is to perish it will still be alive; not being a being with unimaginable power and size but trying to become one, and it can only achieve the resources necesary to achieve that by plundering all life that it finds, burning greater amount of life energy in exchange for faster progress resulting in greater expansion at the same time resulting in a never ending circle of constant search simply because it evolves faster the bigger the sworms becomes so it burns even more the bigger it becomes so it needs to amass even more and faster life energy

[@Ratat0skr0]

Kinda curious what the Old Ones would think of all this?

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

they live in another patch of infinitam terram dome worlds

[@piotrd.4850]

Since when in W40k Librarius became legal again after W30k Council of Nikea?

[@undeadrose766]

TYRANIDS!!!

[@skrubasauras]

Woohoo!

[@Hyunckel]

So I guess the answer come from the Hive mind itself , but how could a link be in theory made between universes and energy transfered accross this link ?

[@Manwendlil]

where could the hive mind reside? does IT have a form or is it formless? and what where the first tyranids like? i wonder if the creators of WH 40K do have some inkling about that? and are the tyranids not to overpowered?

[@RS-tr1dq]

I think the Hive Mind is just formless, collected between all Tyranids. You'd have to kill literally every single Tyranid to kill the Hive Mind

[@scribblerstudios9895]

It's either one of two things, atleast that immediately come to mind, with a shaky third. First, a physical entity, similar to the overmind of the zerg. Likely on the planet the tyrants first became as they are. Second, an entity entirely within the void, a being of such pysonic energy mortal flesh cannot contain it. Third, not excluding the possibility it is a combo of one and two, it's not even a singular entity, but rather a gestalt entity, one that grows stronger as more tyranids are made and join the central gestalt, resulting in it gaining more intelligence and strength the more tyranids are connected.

[@mr.revrac5602]

the Tyranids are its form, they are its body.

[@RS-tr1dq]

@@mr.revrac5602 yes exactly

[@MagralhoPT]

the hive mind is a phenomenon. akin to a murmur of starlings. individually every single starling is just acting on instinct, but on a greater scale, they seem to have a "will of of their own" yet no one is controlling it. there is a collective consciousness behind it, as well as what can only be described as memory, but all of that is decentralized and no one has full control or understanding of it.

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

This is actually Norse Mythology

[@relight6931]

Here is another just conjured up question. We know that the Warp is in need of sapient and sentient life. That entities in it including the present 4 concentrated inteligences in it, the 4 Gods of immaterium depend on the existance of sentient life. Now let us, just for a second forget that just like Necrons, or more acurettly the most OCD historian of them all, Trazyne the Infinite laughed at humanities idea that the first 3 Gods were just their own reflection of negative emotions, when in fact, much more likely the Ctan's and Necrons and The Old ones, Eldar and the Krork war in heaven, which lasted for 5 million years, some 60 million years ago, was what actually created the first three God. That it was just the Eldars 60 milion years of hedonism and persuit of pkeasure and sensation, is what it took to form the fourth God, Slanesh.. Now, let us forget that entire setting only deals with the Milky way galaxy, since even the imagining of the vastness of just this galaxy in the ocean of uncounted billions can easily break the human mind.. All of this to ask just this.. Why is Chaosx the Warp, completly uninterested in dealing with Tyranids..? Since ultimate goal of Nids is to feed, and if they have their way, they will just wipe the Milky way clean and move on.. How come we never ever hear Chaos discussing the Nids? In a way, if it is a mirror dimension of Milky way, Nids final victory would mean ultimate loss of Chaos. Yeah, well aware the whole setting is very human centric, but jyst found it bizzare that even after 4 years of bEing a huge fan of the Grym Dark fictionx not once did I hear this question asked..?

[@Markis2bi4]

Could the Emperor cause a psychic hemorrhage to the Tyranid hive mind?

[@MagralhoPT]

everything is possible! I really feel like the emperor could be one of the few solutions to the tyranid menace. depends on the writers and what GW cares. lorewise. there is a remote chance but I feel like the tyranids have been set as the end times of the setting. the emperor is but a single man, the strongest of them all, but, even with the primarchs still a small pin in the vastness of what the hive mind is. the hive mind is also decentralized, so as long as one of them stands, they are legion, and their numbers are beyond anything so far. if the lore's inklings are accurate, there are WAY more tyranids that there are atoms on the entire galaxy.

[@DonTeridon]

I would guess thay nurgle is a hard counter to nyds?

[@TheBookofChoyer]

The Nids fighting the forces of Nurgle could make for a very interesting matchup. I'm sure they have faced before but I can't recall any big battles now.

[@colinayre2109]

Disagree on the excerpt from Devestation of Baal. That is the ONLY time emotions have ever been ascribed to the hive mind. Which is more likely? 20+ years of writers forgot to do it? Or 1 writer who really doesn’t understand the hive mind tried to humanize an alien sentence and did a bad job?

[@sgtcojonez]

Are there "records" of Tyranid forces fighting Chaos forces?

[@joshualewis6513]

Hive fleet Kronos specializes in fighting chaos. They actively seek out wielders of the warp and close rifts in the immaterium.

[@oriondye3212]

They are a new thing and there aren’t any stories about them.

[@calebfisher1781]

I believe there was a case in the 7th edition tyranid rulebook where tyranids attacked an imperium world that was guarding some kind of warp rift. After the defenses fell, the protection measures keeping the rift stable failed, and 4 legions of daemons poured out, one for each god. The daemons were pretty pissed when they realized there weren't any human souls to feed on, so eventually the tyranids won. It was pretty crazy though, the nids wanted to ignore the daemons since they couldn't feed on them either, and it even talks about the tyranids adapting to the diseases of nurgle.

[@MagralhoPT]

@@joshualewis6513 this!

[@johndewey6405]

If i am not mistaken during the devastation of baal, khornate army fights the tyranid

[@joakinzz]

is that extract about an aeldari seeing the hive mind s true form in the warp canon or something the internet made up?

[@mr.revrac5602]

Its from wraithflight if I know the one you’re referring to. Its canon

[@joakinzz]

@@mr.revrac5602 it s a trustworthy account? I remember hearing and thinking that was the worst possible scenario for the imperium because it meant it could eat the inmaterium as well

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@joakinzz its narration of what she’s seeing, not her own personal account so yes its trustworthy

[@joakinzz]

@@mr.revrac5602 wow that s big thanks

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

Galzu you the hive mind?

[@scp--wc9zv]

So the hivemind isn't like in halo

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

send receive comprehend

[@Xelnarash]

ok damn ... i think i ve lost a vital part but maybe our community can help me out ... why do the nids hate the blood angels?

[@mr.revrac5602]

Because they stopped leviathan at ever turn, damaged their fleets, and destroyed their hunting grounds. Destroying the blood angels would leave a massive area of space unprotected

[@Xelnarash]

@@mr.revrac5602 but if im not mistaken .. sodid ultamar ?! anyhow ... thank you very much

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@Xelnarash and its been said the Hive Mind hates tigurius too. Beyond that though, It can be reasonably inferred that the Hive Mind hates all life other than itself, we already know from the codex that it sees all other forms of life as beneath it. Just because its not explicitly stated that it hates the Ultramarines, doesn’t mean it doesn’t.

[@Xelnarash]

@@mr.revrac5602 good point

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

tyr?

[@caseymay5449]

Mephiston cluld take on the hive mind and Kabanda killed a lot of nids on a moon of Baal

[@MagralhoPT]

do you mean Deux-ex-machina Kabanda? mephiston could take on the hive mind? why didn't he do so in order to save the entire chapter from being massacred! yeah that's right! he could not! he might tough he could but good for him that he didn't try, or else would have been another casualty in the long list of the baal massacre! ofc GW would never wipe out the 2nd best chapter of the setting ( first being black templars, sorry not sorry) so Im happy that we all got a big fight and all be well at the end!

[@caseymay5449]

@@MagralhoPT he was busy keeping Kanbanda off Baal

[@mr.revrac5602]

No Mephiston could not fight the Hive Mind. In their only fight Mephiston was rendered powerless and it was stated the powers of Mephiston were “like a flickering candle next to the raging fire of a star” when compared to the Hive mind. Kabhanda only did so Much damage because the Tyranids we’re fighting without the Hive Mind to guid them.

[@MagralhoPT]

@@mr.revrac5602 because the great rift opening at the time banished the effects of synapse... still deux-ex-machina af.

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@MagralhoPT yeah, thanks for repeating exactly what I said echo.

[@user-ng4cs4jq3j]

Why tyranids never cross to any necron?

[@oriondye3212]

Tyrranids actively avoid necrons. Mostly because even if they won, they lose. Tyrranids goal is to get biomass, but Necrons have no biomass, so the Tyrranids would just be fighting and losing biomass for nothing. So they avoid Necrons unless there is no alternative.

[@Dragonfruits_]

@@oriondye3212Evolution and adaptability are the Tyranids thing so why don’t they evolve more metallic forms that take advantage of metallic resources?

[@leeyroyjenkins9027]

@@Dragonfruits_they only consume organic matter, Necrodermis is an inorganic nano material, and so as of now the nids are incapable of ingesting it

[@MagralhoPT]

@@Dragonfruits_ necrons are not a significant threat yet. the hive mind can isolate their tomb worlds and let them skellie bois sleep 5 more minutes while they deal with more pressing matters. then, just move on and ignore the necrons completely or wipe them out by attrition.

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@oriondye3212they don’t avoid them, theres zero occurrences of them avoiding them that haven’t been explained as other circumstances at play. Your perpetuating myths you heard from youtubers because they too were making stuff up.

[@SleepyFen]

More than any other faction save perhaps Chaos itself, the Tyranids feel like the most existential threat to the entire Warhammer 40K setting. Even the Necrons feel like a manageable enemy in comparison.

[@MrTweekedone]

Here's something that may be worth considering. In The Greater Good by Sandy Mitchell reference Tyranids from diffferent hive fleets attacking and devouring each other, even in the presence of the hive mind. This, to me, says that there are multiple Hive Minds similar to the Overminds of the Zerg.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Alternatively, there have also been examples of two different Tyranid Hivefleets cooperating. Hivefleet Leviathan will conquer and partly devour worlds, leaving the rest of the Biomass for Hivefleet Kronos to replenish its Biomass after engaging Chaos. I feel it's more like the Hivemind recycling older Hivefleets to recycle Biomass to fuel more successful fronts.

[@mr.revrac5602]

Theres not. Ciaphas cain is an unreliable narrator. Tyranid fleets fight to share genes they’ve acquired and to test strategies.

[@Hyunckel]

Psychic power spreading over an entire solar system would necessitate an enormous amount of energy to maintain and it's hard to understand how they can achieve this without some sort of advance source of energy producing the needed back up for this field to be deployed. This does bring interesting question

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

probably zod

[@Slimtastic]

I wana see a specific named nid. Something like they capture Guilliman and convert him into a nid after the Leviathan invasion. Making him like a “Queen of Blades” type character from Star Craft.

[@MagralhoPT]

that is a disservice to what the tyranids stand for! hopefully that never happens. We have a better queen of blades already! its called the swarmlord. just because fanboy writers tend to use it as a Worf effect trope does not mean that he is not powerful and great. its just fanboy writers and their little pp.

[@Slimtastic]

@@MagralhoPT Swarmlord is just a basic ass boss of nids type deal. They need more “special” characters like Old One Eye etc. They get so boring time to time cuz everything feels “not special”.

[@MagralhoPT]

@@Slimtastic well... old one eye is just this carnifex that got some scar and so. nothing to fancy. swarmlord is this immortal entity that gets a new body when needed and can upload his mind and download it so it never dies and its always learning. And that should be as much as it should go for nids. nids are not space marines, nids are not about the characters and the personalities. its about this force of nature, this animalistic instinct that can never be reasoned with. the cosmic horror, the rapacious animal, the unfathomable size and disregard for individuality, the cruelty of nature! thats what its all about! and changing it is a disservice to what they really represent. We already got necrons nerfed with emotions, no need to do it with nids too.

[@Slimtastic]

@@MagralhoPT chill…. It’s a game with 40,000 retcons. Its just an opinion dude. One that will helps sells for nids (imo).

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@Slimtasticone that will ruin nids and turn them into something they were never meant to be. They are supposed to be the faceless horde, all of you people with these stupid ideas of giving them characters, cant seem to understand why it would ruin what makes them unique.

[@yauhoang6773]

Pretty sure if necro or chaos can stop Tyranid if they steps in.

[@MagralhoPT]

chaos cant. necrons, debatable.

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@MagralhoPTchaos is implied (stated) to be a bigger threat, and has far greater feats than the Tyranids, including the great rift which was stated it could have consumed the entire universe should the gods have wished.

[@MagralhoPT]

@@mr.revrac5602 chaos is a big threat due to it being insidious. There is no evidence of chaos outside the galaxy as far as Im aware

[@mr.revrac5602]

@@MagralhoPT chaos is a big threat because its the most powerful faction in the setting, and its not close.

[@FreakyGremlinDK]

Yet, the Tyranids are probably the moral good faction here. Their natural instinct is just to consume and eat. Is the lion evil for hunting and eating the Zebra? Is the spider evil for catching and eating other insects? It's not like the orks who feel joy and satisfaction in battles and wars without any goal and take slaves It's not like the Dark Elders who outright gets off on most horrid pain of others. It's not like Humans who treat each other horrible to reach a sick satisfaction of being in control and power over their own kind.

[@Saf_Ibn_Sayyad_Bacon]

Dark eldar have to out of necessity

[@Gayfrogscollective]

I equip my troops with [Matter Disintegration Weapon] and activate my [Blackstone Pylon Array], massively distorting your [Synapse]. Check.

[@arson338]

They weren't created by the old ones. They consumed a Catan and the Catan was given a body in the same way the necrons gave the bodies of necrodermus which made tje gods of the physical realm. The tyranids Gaave a Catan a body of flesh which basically resulted Ina different type of God level being

[@arson338]

The Catan were also gluttons the moment the took physical form. It's seems right that their lineage would come from a line that consumes not creates

[@trazyntheinfinite1961]

shame on you tyrannidsh a