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The Gardening Channel With James Prigioni

The Gardening Channel With James Prigioni

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@jamesprigioni
@jamesprigioni 9 ай бұрын
Share this video if you Love Gardening! 00:00 Intro 00:19 Pros of Standard Raised Bed 02:00 Cons of Standard Raised Bed 03:14 Tuck Eating Mustard Greens 03:45 Pros of Pallet Raised Bed 04:50 Cons of Pallet Raised Bed 05:35 Pros of Metal Raised Bed 06:58 Cons of Metal Raised Bed 08:34 Giveaway Winner of Metal Raised Bed 09:30 Pros of Cedar Raised Bed 10:53 Cons of Cedar Raised Bed 11:09 The Ugly Truth About Raised Beds 14:26 Final Thoughts
@samhamblen306
@samhamblen306 9 ай бұрын
I have used fiber pots. They lasted 5 years so far. Really inexpensive and can get all kinds of sizes and configurations. I bought some 200 gal. Took a truck to a place that sells different types of soil by the tractor scoop. Way way cheaper than bags. Love your show man.
@lindaseel9986
@lindaseel9986 9 ай бұрын
James, what if you shellac the heat treated pallets? Would that be a problem? Linseed oil? 💟💕♥️🤗😀💞💓❣️💗💖💝💘🥰❤️😘
@susanlee8480
@susanlee8480 9 ай бұрын
What was the name of the citrus that was Mandarin - lemon - lime hybrid tree that chefs like?
@susanlee8480
@susanlee8480 9 ай бұрын
Congrats Page
@connecticutwormsgardens
@connecticutwormsgardens 9 ай бұрын
@8:05 into the video you point out the rusted "screws" in the metal bed. Those aren't screws, they are nuts and for under $5.00 you can buy a box of stainless steel nuts that will never rust. Replace the ones you have with stainless, or, just leave the rust which is a naturally occurring mineral
@CookieMentalCrisis
@CookieMentalCrisis 9 ай бұрын
I like that this video isnt a plug for your own line of raised beds, but genuine and wholesome advice. Cheers!
@danileremeev6048
@danileremeev6048 8 ай бұрын
bit of a plug
@Broly91571
@Broly91571 8 ай бұрын
Lol...that's my mom that won the give away. If anyone cares. Her name is Paj but pronounced Page like a book. She got super excited and sent me this video since we do gardening and said check out the video. 😂
@pajclackum7369
@pajclackum7369 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, son!
@simonlang2485
@simonlang2485 8 ай бұрын
May she enjoy years and years of fun gardening with her prize, and may everything she plants grow healthily and abundantly!
@deonarly
@deonarly 8 ай бұрын
Congratulations!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@voiceanddrum
@voiceanddrum 8 ай бұрын
Yay! Happy gardening to you! (O:
@TexasLocalProduce
@TexasLocalProduce 8 ай бұрын
You lucky lady!!! 🎉
@ziptiefighter
@ziptiefighter 9 ай бұрын
Repurpose an old leaky garden hose to use as an edge protector. Slit along its length. It'll hold up to UV and time.
@simonlang2485
@simonlang2485 8 ай бұрын
What a super idea! Thanks much for sharing it!
@brokenmeats5928
@brokenmeats5928 9 ай бұрын
I love ALL The Gardening Channel With James Prigioni videos!
@jamesprigioni
@jamesprigioni 9 ай бұрын
Let's Gooo!!! 😁🐕
@jean1228
@jean1228 8 ай бұрын
@@jamesprigioniJames I found symphylans in my raised bed at the end of last season. About the same time you posted that you found some - what did you do? Would planting potatoes or flowers help the soil? I’m not sure what to do.
@MoonShadowsFarm
@MoonShadowsFarm 9 ай бұрын
I have 9 high metal raised beds (30-32 inches tall - from Birdies and Vego) and 10 regular galvanized metal raised beds (11-12 inches tall - no name from Amazon) in my 8500 square foot food forest. I bought all light and dark green, so they blend in better. Love that custom netting you are using in the metal raised beds. I saw that but didn't buy it. I use tulle (think bridal veil material if you are not familiar with tulle). It's so much cheaper than those custom covers and keeps the tiny pests out while letting sunshine and water in. I have also used plain wood and cedar raised beds in the past and still have 10 of them in use. I prefer the metal ones, especially the taller ones. I am 68 and they are great for senior citizens; you don't have to bend or crawl on the ground. to tend them. As always, thanks for the video, James. Happy growing!
@donnabrooks1173
@donnabrooks1173 5 ай бұрын
Tulle is good. I've watched a gardening channel from California. Sorry don't remember the name. She does a lot of gardening in totes and uses tulle for protection.
@jakefrechette3224
@jakefrechette3224 9 ай бұрын
Tuck licking his chops thinking about eating the asparagus was all of us haha. Looks like a yummy harvest ahead!
@palmsandboars
@palmsandboars 8 ай бұрын
Extra hugs and kisses for Tuck! He's such a good dog.
@dianehansen7640
@dianehansen7640 9 ай бұрын
We gathered free heat treated pallets and nailed them together, as is, to make square raised beds. Lined the beds to contain the materials and filled with tree branches and chunk’s. Then soil, compost, peat moss and such. I’m able to stand by the raised beds to plant and harvest. Being in my 70’s, stooping or kneeling is no longer an option so the 4 pallet beds we have work great. We’re able to eat the produce directly from the garden!
@simonlang2485
@simonlang2485 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Diane, for the encouraging message. I'm 89, and was a Master Gardener, but have been unable to garden until now. Your message gives me hope for possibly being able to garden again, which would be a true blessing! Bless your clever little green thumbs!!
@crookedstrings3009
@crookedstrings3009 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations to the winner !
@carolexo7269
@carolexo7269 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations to the winner of the raised bed. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤'s to Tuck!!!
@stephenrpell3194
@stephenrpell3194 9 ай бұрын
I use many of your techniques in our raised bed gardens here in East Tennessee. We use concrete blocks, 2 high, stacked, no mortar. We are going into our fifth year with them. No rust. No rot. And they stand up well when hit by a new zero turn mower.
@keralee
@keralee 9 ай бұрын
Further north in WI...same iuse of concrete blocks but frost heave messes up walls, I have to restack every few years. But I dont have to buy new wood !
@nobodyreally8441
@nobodyreally8441 9 ай бұрын
Do you have a problem with ants?
@maryj.sanmiguel3895
@maryj.sanmiguel3895 9 ай бұрын
Good to know we're in southeastern Kentucky. This will be my first time gardening & I'm so excited!
@donnabrooks1173
@donnabrooks1173 5 ай бұрын
Does it make your soil too alkaline? I've been worried about fly ash in the past used in the production of concrete blocks and its not good.
@csmitty3517
@csmitty3517 9 ай бұрын
Congrats Paj on your new bed. I think Tuck want to give away a seed starting kit.
@mssavedin92
@mssavedin92 9 ай бұрын
we just built 2. of the basic raised beds out of cedar...they'll last quite abit longer. We're going to be making the PVC toppers too. Thats such a great idea, so versatile!
@samuellawson9552
@samuellawson9552 9 ай бұрын
This channel is what KZbin is all about!!!
@jamesprigioni
@jamesprigioni 9 ай бұрын
Let's Gooo!!!
@johnfitbyfaithnet
@johnfitbyfaithnet 2 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@davidthedeaf
@davidthedeaf 9 ай бұрын
In AZ, a Deaf girl I have been inspiring to try a garden designed a short raised bed using cedar cut at Home Depot plus 4 tan-colored, concrete, planter wall blocks joining the ends. No hammer and nails needed! Just assemble. Looks great and can be easily added to make various shapes and designs.
@nat76hill
@nat76hill 9 ай бұрын
I’d love to see pictures of hers. ❤
@davidthedeaf
@davidthedeaf 9 ай бұрын
@@nat76hill she sent me a photo of it. It is wonderful and I am not sure how to share it with others though as I live in WA state and thus cannot upload to my KZbin the video. However, I believe if you look up the Home Depot blocks and then use imagination for 2 cedar planks on top of each other, you may have an idea how nice it looks! Her brother in law had made one like this, who lives near her mom, and he has had very good luck in Arizona with this method for over a year. Now she and I are looking at how to water well and not on the leaves, perhaps with a timer and irrigation tubing. I am very proud of her as she is a city girl in the country and growing a tomato plant for her mom even though she herself hates tomatoes. :)
@karenburrell5188
@karenburrell5188 9 ай бұрын
I love all raised beds because I garden in a wheelchair. Your channel has always offered such great information and ideas. Love Tuck ❤❤❤❤
@budfahnestock2418
@budfahnestock2418 9 ай бұрын
nice video, glad you're showing the pro's and con's of all the types of beds you can get. A lot of the videos out there just taught the most expensive stuff you can buy as if it's the best for anyone. Not all of us want 3' tall metal beds
@jedpusczykowski4955
@jedpusczykowski4955 9 ай бұрын
I think you should come up with a James Prigioni new gardener seed starter package. A few of your most favorite varieties for a new Gardener.
@lindaseel9986
@lindaseel9986 9 ай бұрын
That's a great idea.
@sandrad682
@sandrad682 9 ай бұрын
Congrats Paj. Thanks James for sharing all the pros and cons of raised beds. ❤❤❤❤ for Tuck
@NipItInTheBud100
@NipItInTheBud100 9 ай бұрын
I always love a Tuck appearance! We just lost our best feline buddy a week ago and there is nothing like having a buddy like that to keep you company!! Thanks for the great content!!
@gwenkilby
@gwenkilby 8 ай бұрын
I'm sorry about your buddy 💔❤💔
@NipItInTheBud100
@NipItInTheBud100 8 ай бұрын
@@gwenkilby thanks!
@JanetChristiansen-j2e
@JanetChristiansen-j2e 9 ай бұрын
My favorite raised beds in farming country - animal feeders and waterers. Expensive when new, but sometimes you can find used ones. Last almost forever!
@palmsandboars
@palmsandboars 8 ай бұрын
Agreed. I got one about 10 years ago and it's still in great shape. A couple of years ago I bought another one at Home Depot when it was on sale for HALF PRICE! I couldn't pass that up.
@mplslawnguy3389
@mplslawnguy3389 8 ай бұрын
Do you cut the entire bottom out or just some holes? They don’t look that expensive where I’m at and they would probably outlast those flimsy raised beds they’re selling now.
@111CisnerosNortherncali
@111CisnerosNortherncali 9 ай бұрын
Congrats on winning your bed pai❤🎉
@vj563
@vj563 9 ай бұрын
Congrats to the winner! ☺ Thank you James and Tuck for the opportunity and the info on raised beds! 💕
@Ron-eq6cc
@Ron-eq6cc 4 ай бұрын
I built my raised beds 10 years ago, non treated lumber: 8x2x10. Still going strong with some rot only now starting.
@toniatalley1977
@toniatalley1977 9 ай бұрын
Yay!!! Congrats to the winner of the raised bed!!!
@maryannharding6235
@maryannharding6235 9 ай бұрын
Tuck is adorable. I love how he enjoys his vegetables. 😍 Great video, very nice to have the pros and cons of each type.
@ImGlyn
@ImGlyn 9 ай бұрын
Really useful video James, thank you! ❤❤❤ For Tuck & well done to him for picking the giveaway winner - congratulations Paj, wishing you more good luck with your gardening 👍🏻
@TheresaShaw-xp1hy
@TheresaShaw-xp1hy 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations to Pag! And 💕💕💕💕💕 to Tuck! This is a really good one on the pros and cons of the different raised beds. Ours are made by Vita, a resin key hole style we got on sale at Costco. They are 2’ high. And holding up well so far. My neighbor has the metal ones you have now. I really like the look, and all of the accessories that are available. Very cool!
@dharmaslife
@dharmaslife 9 ай бұрын
CONGRATULATIONS to the winner 💖
@joannsilva4715
@joannsilva4715 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Patch, happy growing! ❤ Tuck ❤wooden raised beds! Had them since 2004, just love the natural look! ❤ Mental ones too, have 3-different brands & happy with them all! Have galvanized bushel bins too! And a old horse trough! Variety is the spice of life! ❤🐾🐾❤️
@georgegibson707
@georgegibson707 9 ай бұрын
Built mine from discarded metal roofing sheets from a skip. Sanded off any rust plus some zinc paint. Lined with foam sheet from discarded fruit boxes plus old plastic film. Basically free, 12 years ago and no sign of deterioration yet - still going strong.
@nancyseery2213
@nancyseery2213 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the garden bed give away and congrats to the winner!!!! God bless y'all and keep growing.
@lindawoody8501
@lindawoody8501 4 күн бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤💞💞💞💞💞💯 Hooray for Tuck! Thank you James for all of this fine information about the various types of raised beds for our gardens.
@juliahelland6488
@juliahelland6488 9 ай бұрын
Congrats Pat! Happy gardening!💯 Sending love to Tuck 💯❣️❣️❣️❣️ Thanks again for sharing!
@rhiannonh5202
@rhiannonh5202 8 ай бұрын
I am so in love with Tuck
@StevenDavisPhoto
@StevenDavisPhoto 2 ай бұрын
For the rounded corners, I usually plant beneficial/defensive flowers there. Looks nice too.
@gardengypsy70
@gardengypsy70 9 ай бұрын
Congrats Patz!!🎉🎉🎉🎉 woohoo good for you! I would like to see hand tools like pruners or your amazing fertilizer!!!
@user-xe9uy5ly3i
@user-xe9uy5ly3i 9 ай бұрын
We in South FL got metal hurricane shutters for free last year. Our raised beds are producing well both last year and this. Arugula, Celery, tons of tomatoes, basil, even had watermelon ! Still going strong this summer.
@jamesprigioni
@jamesprigioni 9 ай бұрын
Let's Gooo!!!
@rljustus7
@rljustus7 9 ай бұрын
I love your videos and Tuck! Congrats to the winner! 😊❤
@LLTization
@LLTization 8 ай бұрын
You have kept your word to do container gardening this season..kudos for that. My garden consists of dollar store stackables, big hardware store buckets, and two small elevated cedar beds. Container gardening has your Food Forest looking clean and ready for a bountiful harvest!💕💕💕💕💕
@Kathleen253
@Kathleen253 9 ай бұрын
I used old cedar fencing that was being discarded. I had 2x4 s as well as the 6' x6" boards. I made my beds 18" high, with reinforced corners using the 4x4 posts. I have had these beds 5 years and are still in service.
@karengiorella2690
@karengiorella2690 9 ай бұрын
Me too. Got mine at a construction surplus store near where I lived. Great bargain. Lasts forever.
@darlapace7842
@darlapace7842 8 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤ for the Mighty Tuck, Precious Prince of Produce!
@starsonwater
@starsonwater 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Patch!! Enjoy your Raised bed! :)
@grandmaDecker
@grandmaDecker 9 ай бұрын
Congrats to the winner!! Hi Tuck ♥🥬
@monafoley726
@monafoley726 9 ай бұрын
I use trees. I’m in the country and have lots of trees. They work good and you can stack them like a log home. Love Tuck. ❤
@lexi-vx1pd
@lexi-vx1pd 9 ай бұрын
James, you and Tuck rock. Thanks for the great content, I've learned so much from you, my garden is transformed!
@maryj.sanmiguel3895
@maryj.sanmiguel3895 9 ай бұрын
Tuck must be so healthy eating fresh veggies!❤❤❤ Thank you, James. 🎉
@CynthiaJKress
@CynthiaJKress 9 ай бұрын
Love you and Tuck! Wonderful video, James. Thank you! ❤❤❤❤🥕🥕🥕
@connieemery6285
@connieemery6285 9 ай бұрын
Congrats to Padge! Enjoy your raised bed! 💜
@clausroquefort9545
@clausroquefort9545 9 ай бұрын
stone can come in many varieties, be it natural rocks, baked bricks or concrete! might wanna cover that stuff in another video!
@EasycookingwithGloriaS
@EasycookingwithGloriaS 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Patch
@ecofundi6001
@ecofundi6001 4 ай бұрын
Ah man, Tuck is just like my little Spencer who followed me everywhere until his passing this June. You have given us SO much information - thank you, this has been super helpful.
@BellaSC
@BellaSC 9 ай бұрын
I really like the burnt wood bed. It’s more organic looking than metal.
@marylindasmith8503
@marylindasmith8503 4 ай бұрын
Agreed! It's Lovely and doesn't stick out! Someone should go into the business of making them, but probably too expensive for most.
@danielleboule3220
@danielleboule3220 9 ай бұрын
Your excitement is contagious James. Thank you for the great video. We have a freeze coming tonight in MA so I’ve got everything covered. I hope they live. ❤for Tuck.
@lhcross7597
@lhcross7597 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Paj 🎉
@elainelear4982
@elainelear4982 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Paj. Thank you for another great video.❤❤❤❤❤
@Minamac1Cali
@Minamac1Cali 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations to the winner of the raise bed 🎉
@elsie9649
@elsie9649 2 ай бұрын
I love you brain. So smart in the garden. Congratulations to the bed winner!
@Jerawhite7753
@Jerawhite7753 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations 🎉
@anitahernandez1207
@anitahernandez1207 9 ай бұрын
❤❤❤🐶🐾 Love to see little Tuck Your food forest is going to look so good this spring and summer!
@loveylove2973
@loveylove2973 9 ай бұрын
Congrats to the winner!!
@Hollydama
@Hollydama 9 ай бұрын
Congrats, Paj!!!! 🎉
@pjohn1435
@pjohn1435 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations to Pag.
@danielleboule3220
@danielleboule3220 9 ай бұрын
That was very informative and how exciting for Paj congrats!
@SuperKabookie
@SuperKabookie 9 ай бұрын
Good for you Paj ❤❤❤❤
@grannysweet
@grannysweet 8 ай бұрын
Best overview of raised beds I've seen. Love Tuck ❤. Happy gardening.
@carissalizotte8977
@carissalizotte8977 9 ай бұрын
Great video as always! Congrats to the giveaway winner! 💚🙌🏽
@sherrylingenfelter8991
@sherrylingenfelter8991 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Paj!
@RobbieAndGaryGardeningEasy
@RobbieAndGaryGardeningEasy 9 ай бұрын
I love gardening in my method of full control and cheap cost of raised bed, we grow tons of food each year most of it for free. Hi Tuck
@shauncampbell969
@shauncampbell969 8 ай бұрын
Hi, I live in an apartment, but I find your videos, refreshing. All the best Shaun 🦉 of NYC ☕🥐🗽
@conniegonzalez6068
@conniegonzalez6068 9 ай бұрын
Congrats to the winner 👍👍🙏
@outbackorchard
@outbackorchard 9 ай бұрын
Super video James! Hope you don't get too cold down there tonight. We are expecting 24 degrees up here in Vermont 😢
@jean-marclariviere7618
@jean-marclariviere7618 9 ай бұрын
congrats Paj and good gardening
@1turf32
@1turf32 9 ай бұрын
CONGRATULATIONS
@sandraoconnor5700
@sandraoconnor5700 7 ай бұрын
Love you Tuck❤❤❤❤The taller ones are better for my knees and back issues. Thanks for sharing this helpful info ❤❤❤
@susanskd
@susanskd 9 ай бұрын
Congratulation Pat
@rubygraves1181
@rubygraves1181 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations
@Detour4it
@Detour4it 9 ай бұрын
Congrats, Patch!
@DawnDBoyerPhD
@DawnDBoyerPhD 8 ай бұрын
I have had several raised bed gardens and finally went back to traditional tilling up a field and planting as many seeds and garden center plants as possible; hoping my caos gardening will overwhelm any weeds and put out loads of veggies
@davemanthei5169
@davemanthei5169 8 ай бұрын
I stumbled upon your videos while looking for gardening tips. Just a quick thought. I think you're an amazing human being. Unfortunately u can't give someone too much praise without them thinking you're crazy. But I can read people well and you're a cut above. I see your passion and your joy when the little things go right. It's so true. You said it, so much goes wrong it's a blessing when things go right. It is such a joy to come home from this crazy world and watch your videos. You have great advice for us all. Stay just the way you are . People are so weird and judgemental. Don't let that bother you. Everyone wants to be a pro...follow your heart. Not theirs. God bless u. Thanks for your help.
@donnacastro3928
@donnacastro3928 9 ай бұрын
I always look forward to seeing Tuck!! Love him!💖💖
@sandraoconnor5700
@sandraoconnor5700 7 ай бұрын
Congratulations Paj, enjoy!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️
@michaelbacile8439
@michaelbacile8439 8 ай бұрын
My wife and I invested in the 10 in 1 vego bed. We got 3 of them. It’s been 3 weeks and we haven’t had any problems with them bending or anything. They felt flimsy at first but once you get soil in them and it packs in from watering they’re very strong and look great. The screws rusting was the only thing I could potentially see going wrong down the road. Were happy with them so far!
@deborahplyler6528
@deborahplyler6528 9 ай бұрын
Love the metal raised beds with the covers great idea, I enjoyed watching your interview of your food forest and tour of garden, from the man that came to visit your garden.
@sabinablessington664
@sabinablessington664 9 ай бұрын
So many options, so little time. I am using concrete masonry units for beds. I can make any width, length and height. I can top with 1 1/2 inch cmu's and sit on the edge. Love your channel my friend
@tammybinfl4755
@tammybinfl4755 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations Pag!!
@anatapia4576
@anatapia4576 9 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤Tuck❤❤❤ A heart for James too ❤😂 thank you for the great inspiration..this year will be our first year growing our garden.
@homesecurityshortclipspluse
@homesecurityshortclipspluse 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉
@albertnett7864
@albertnett7864 9 ай бұрын
Congrats Paj
@NPC2_4_U
@NPC2_4_U 9 ай бұрын
I made metal raised beds from corrugated roofing panels. Good height. long lasting, square corners. The wood incorporated in the faming looks good and can be replaced, piece at a time as necessary.
@Earthy-Artist
@Earthy-Artist 8 ай бұрын
❤Tuck looks so alert and full of energy this spring, he seems like he's feeling good. I'm glad to see him happy!❤
@Xarcell
@Xarcell 9 ай бұрын
I use concrete blocks. I stack them tall enough to sit on. They have thermal mass, meaning they hold in heat to be released at night, and cold that is released during they day. Helps regulate the temperature of the soil.
@drewjaqua2905
@drewjaqua2905 8 ай бұрын
I love your videos JP. They're perfectly tailored to multiple experience levels and your insights and analysis are easy to understand. I recommend your channel to all my raised bed building customers at work!
@venomsailor
@venomsailor 9 ай бұрын
I have 6 of the olive green ones and love them. Starting my 3rd season with them and still in perfect condition. No rust or anything. I basically plant them on a sqft garden planting, and for the corners, i plant cucumbers, melons etc. things that will grow over the side to the ground.
@GillianHannaOP
@GillianHannaOP 8 ай бұрын
Raised beds are the go 💯 along with pots/containers and direct planting into the ground 🍈 🍋‍🍊 🌳 🍎
@tedtolentino4955
@tedtolentino4955 3 ай бұрын
Good video James. Thanks for sharing your experience with the different types of bed material. I've used pallet wood to build raised garden beds this year. I lined each with left over roofing felt to better protect the wood from moisture from the soil, hoping to prolong the life of the bed. A plastic liner or similar material might offer the same advantage. Next up: to construct bed covers similar to the ones you have in your garden.
@cherylschneider3294
@cherylschneider3294 9 ай бұрын
❤❤❤ congratulations
@TheUnconventionalGrower
@TheUnconventionalGrower 8 ай бұрын
A lot of the timber raised beds and hoop houses we've built on our plot have come from watching James (and Tuck). Amazing job guys. We've not yet ventured into the metal raised beds as yet but something we are considering later down the line.
@sodsqad8089
@sodsqad8089 9 ай бұрын
Another great video. I've been a landscape contractor for 35 years and learned from many mistakes. I see an issue that will happen eventually. Your fruit tree roots will find the water from your raised beds and raise havoc. You never mentioned redwood for raised beds. I build a lot of raised beds for customers and use redwood only. Also, from my experience all fasteners that are supplied with the Vego raised beds and all the other brands supply what they call stainless steel fasteners. The stainless steel is very poor quality and they all rust in about 2-5 years. Never give up!
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