The Ultimate Bullet Penetration/FMJ Guide - Hunt Showdown Analysis & Guide Patch 1.13

[@Cornf]

***CORRECTIONS*** Some oversights that I missed in this video. I have since thoroughly tested and ensured that these are accurate. ***CORRECTIONS*** 1st. Shotguns do have limb penetration, the exact same as rifles do. Credit to BoxTrade 2nd. Shotbolt can theoretically pierce through one hunter and kill another, but the spread after hitting an object is so wide that you'd need to be extremely lucky. Credit to Pentius Box 3rd. The sparks silencer cannot penetrate metal without FMJ. Credit to NickMcClean4004

[@theuselessteammate2097]

if there is limb penetration, how come slugs dont always one hit from straight ahead? ive checked my footage frame for frame, all seem to be upper torso, yet no kill. is perhaps the netcode weird such that it registers it as arm hits because of delay? i know a lot of people are complaining about this kind of delay (see, shotgun trading), so maybe thats it?

[@Cornf]

@@theuselessteammate2097 I would imagine you're either slightly outside of the one shot kill range, hit the lower torso, or you barely missed the torso. I've done a video on slugs that shows the ranges a bit more and proves that limb penetration exists if you'd like to watch that one as well. As for netcode, I don't often see shots that I feel should've hit that don't hit, and I think that comes down to hunt resolving all gunfights clientside first. This is the reason that you don't see no-reg shots too often, but also the reason you'll get killed by someone with 300 ping half a second after you've killed them.

[@dhufishhunter6455]

I got a collateral double kill with a freshly revived hunter running behind the player rezzing on the weekend using a shotbolt. Fairly sure the revived hunter didn't have resilience so it was probably a low damage number kill but I was pretty happy anyway.

[@theuselessteammate2097]

Didn't even know lower torso isn't a one shit with slugs, that's probably it @@Cornf

[@caueismael6757]

@@theuselessteammate2097 it is, with a shorter 1shot range, he talked about it on his video

[@dankmemer5699]

You're definitely be gonna know as the "hunt tech guy" when your channel blows up. I just love how much one can learn from your videos, so hopefully more people see them

[@Cornf]

Thanks bro, glad you enjoy my niche. There'll definitely be more guides in the future!

[@benjitheengi4447]

Ive always loved learning technical game info like this, im excited to see what else hes got in store.

[@deadhelix]

There’s a channel called BIUEPIXEL that had a series called tech talks going over niche mechanics like water skipping and dark sight cancels, but unfortunately they seem to of just stopped uploading idk if it’s just no new topics or what. Hope this channel can satiate my hunt knowledge needs

[@k4c3revenge14]

Like Wobo for DayZ

[@TV-tk3fy]

@@Cornf Can you paste some research source in the description? Hunt have really nice amount of data and numbers as far as i know.

[@Vezrabuto]

im so stoked about the new wave of hunt youtubers. we got you with the in-depth mechani guides, we got flamboyant horse with the discussion videos, sayler with the most ratty plays imaginable, finally some fresh air. i love your videos since i hate looking a spread sheets.

[@Hextin]

Fr. Straight up home reels videos have gotten stale asf.

[@Triads297]

I couldn't find flamboyant horses channel

[@Vezrabuto]

@@Triads297 m.youtube.com/@AVeryFlamboyantHorse hard to find him without looking for a specific video lol

[@kylemackinnon5696]

2:03 you had my curiosity but now you have my attention🤠

[@eris8568]

This is the kind of hunt content I've been searching for. In a game where many mechanics like this one are somewhat obscure, this kind of content is completely priceless. The video is also well made, succinct, and informative. 10/10

[@VomitmasteR]

Amazing how you make it look so professional even with simple graphics. Truly the Lab Rat of Hunt Showdown with these decisive infos. Another banger job of a video, Cornf!

[@pechice887]

Honestly only commenting to help with the algorithm. Great video homie

[@deadhelix]

The editing effort you took to display the info you’re talking about on screen for an easy reference, as well as an overlay on the current topic and what’s upcoming on top of it being time stamped is effort that may go under appreciated but I certainly appreciate it a lot. will use this as a reference point if I ever make an informal video on a game because the overlay screams production value you should be proud of. Definitely checking all your content out!

[@TheFakeSlimShady0]

There are soo many unexplained rules in hunt that no one talks about You have your work cut out for you Btw love ur channel

[@Trenz0]

As someone who hates baseless conjecture and questionable tribal knowledge: you're doing God's work. I've always wanted to get clearer data on this stuff. Did some testing of my own but nothing this rigorous. You deserve lots of attention for this video

[@ogyama7753]

Great vid, I have 1000+ hours and I understood the limitations of certain ammo types, but never did an in-depth analysis like this, I think you just upped my game a notch with this info 🙏🏼

[@codexnecrogeddon]

An interesting addition to this video would be a discussion about shotbolt for the crossbow. Shotbolt is one of the most intriguing ammo types in the game. It is essentially a teleporting shotgun that has infinite kill range as long as it lands on the chest or head, and it can pen wood, including trees (but not metal). You just have to learn the drop.

[@clownworld4655]

It’s surprising how many people don’t know that shot bolt is the only ammo in the game with infinite one shot kill range. I’ve gotten a couple very long kill shots with it

[@osterhai]

The shotbolt is more or less a nitro with bullet drop and cant shoot through bricks and trees but it can oneshot at any range (well the round drops to the ground at around 150m at a 45° angle making the maximum range limited)

[@takubear88]

The way they explained it is that each layer of object basically just applies a negative mod to your weapon range, so weapons no longer dealing damage through walls is directly related to how much effective range is lost. FMJ lowers the effect these objects have. As for Shredder, its almost doubled one shot range to the chest over the regular Nitro, probably means that the one metal sheet "lowered the range", but it essentially still is within the 76m one tap range, whereas regular Nitro loses that potential around the 40m mark. I'm guessing metal subtracts roughly 30 meters from the range.

[@Cornf]

I theorized something similar to what you said. Shredder is supposed to just increase the one shot range, but they could've done that by increasing the base damage, which is why it one shots thru metal. The damage multiplier could be 25% thru metal but if it's doing 600 base damage it'll still one shot.

[@69werle]

I love how bullets can go throught multiple layers of metal and wood but it will stop after hiting anything living

[@spacehitler4537]

I believe spitzer can pen people. However odds are rare!

[@Type_3_Screamer]

This guide is amazing. Exactly what was needed. I hope your channel blows up dude we NEED this type of content to be seen

[@TheyCallMeCelery]

Just got Hunt Showdown a few days ago and been trying to find good youtubers to learn off of. Good timing it seems with you starting up on these videos. If you keep them coming I’ll keep watching and liking them! Great video

[@dezkyger2585]

You're videos are definitely helpful and informative, I've played forever and I didn't know some of the things you've described. You're making content that is truly a valuable asset to the community; keep up the hard work, you have absolutely earned a subscription from me.

[@vurticus2239]

I beg of you keep this going. So far out of all the Hunt channels I have found. I think yours has easily the best formatting and quality for learning the more technical and stat side of things.

[@Mrdestiny17]

9/10 times I try to wall bang someone I think to my self "theres no #%$ing way I missed him!" after spamming a wall, only to look inside and realize that there were 17 boxes and a pig carcass behind the wall lmao

[@Quillyik]

Finally, a solid video on this subject. You've verified a lot of my suspicions, while completely blowing my understanding of long/nitro out of the water.

[@Orkhane]

Beret Dog seems like a good boy

[@theReason99]

even as a hunt veteran I watched the entire video, because it was very well formatted, and you perfectly explained the subject.

[@RimaSuit]

Damn, that is great to know. Love that theoretical stuff. Interesting that Spitzer was shadownerfed, it used to improve the damage increase by 20m just like FMJ.

[@bunz_d]

That "progress bar" at the bottom noting the Now Playing and Up Next section was a nice touch

[@chikay1520]

I gotta say this is one of the BEST and INFORMATIVE video I've ever seen! I have 2500+ hours in this game and thought that I know most of the stuff and there's not much new to learn. But boy did you prove me wrong! So interesting to see what penetration you have on what type of ammo. Now it makes sense why some of my shots didn't kill when they were already tagged and ran behind cover. Like I always thought that you deal the full dmg when penetrating smth until you just can't penetrate anymore. But no it has a dmg drop off. I also asked RachtaZ about the penetration with high velocity and he said that it has less penetration but you proved him wrong. Keep on with that good work dude. 10/10 video would recommend!

[@Cornf]

Cheers, there's so much to de-mystify about Hunt, glad you found it interesting!

[@edwardteach841]

I've wondered about this for so long, thank you for making such a clear and detailed video about it, I hope you decide to make much more content in the future including gameplay

[@cz1723]

I'm very glad to see good hunt content from newer channels.

[@bambi20082148]

jesus christ i've been looking for this for so long and it answered every single question i had, infinite thanks

[@itszaque]

Didn’t expect my comment to show up in your intro, that was fun! Once again I loved this video and look forward to all the in-depth info you’ll provide us in the future!

[@rzp3008]

Great videos man. Straight forward, to the point, well-researched, with good visuals to wrap it up in.

[@TheClownesque]

Very informative video, and the first to provide it. Please keep the work up, Hunt absolutely needs this kind of in-depth info, and 4FS hasn't been posting.

[@Cornf]

Someone has to take up the mantle from 4FS. Thanks!

[@yacc636]

great content! subscribed! i love channels who focus on tech, gameplay mecchanics nerdery, strats, tactics and guides etc. i am simply no longer interested in channels who only upload uncommented unedited gameplay so finding a new channel fitting my interests is exciting! i feel like for this kind of videos there is still a huge space for growth in the hunt content creation sphere.

[@m0schti]

Thank you for all the effort and work you put in in this video. I hope there is more to come like this.

[@RedshirtAfficionado]

Your videos answer every single question I’ve ever had but been unable to answer about Hunt. You’re an absolute godsend I disagree with the sentiment that the New Army should only be used with FMJ. DumDum is almost never a bad choice, especially if you have a primary that is capable of wallbangs. Also tbh I feel bad for the folk 8:30 in. The way you tracked them without Darksight would have made me think you were sus, you’ve got some killer hearing

[@funkkymonkey6924]

A big conceptual thing with FMJ and your choice of weapons; compact weapons suffer terribly from arm shots, usually turning 2 taps into 3 taps doing ~50 damage. This is compounded more during wall bangs and can frequently lead to 4 or 5 tapping someone. After exploring many of the options, medium will reliably 2 tap, as the arm shot penalty is much less. Another video idea would be a quick catalog of unpennable items. Log stacks, cargo boxes, lumber piles and stone fences have the weirdest penetration viability.

[@Type_3_Screamer]

Same with iron bars. Also there are occasional doors with dodgy penetration values. The saloon doors in desalle sometimes don't register properly when they are moving

[@Kangazooka]

Really good info, thanks for measuring all of that. One point of feedback is that I think your videos would benefit from figures or visuals for the ammo's numbers that allow us to easily digest differences between different stat sets, rather than using text + verbal. Subbed and looking forward to more of your analysis!

[@Cornf]

Thanks for the tips, I'll keep it mind going forward. Always looking to improve!

[@lachlanc7092]

Great video man - easy sub! There were a lot more of these Hunt analysis channels about a year or two ago and many died out (RIP 4FS Gaming) but I hope you push on with this because you’re great at it!

[@Faded_Ninja420]

wall banging is even nastier when you got them choking from the other side with choke bolts. Good headphone will definitely help with find especially if your under them

[@byelum1930]

You’re the perfect answer to a question I didn’t even know I wanted to ask. There should be one Cornf per game ❤

[@r0termann]

Such a high quality video, so good. Excited to see you get the subs you deserve Cornf!

[@dougmastertoun4752]

Wall bangs are so satisfying. I remember thinking how impossible they were when I was a complete noob and managed to capture my first wall bang which was through a whole house at Arden!

[@malandewaal8522]

Great content, considering I've got 3k hours in Hunt, yet didn't know all of this. Well presented, interested to see your future stuff!

[@quindorinth]

When I saw the first 30 seconds' edit, I immidiately subscribed man.

[@Digganob590]

YES FINALLY AN EXAMINATION OF LIMB PENETRATION! I was wondering about that for so long!

[@animetacoman8577]

this is a fantastic video, you taught a person who has been here since the beginning something!

[@Bertanis]

Ah, what a great video! It's great to have some desmistifcation of this subject! The only other thing I'd say is that I've penned the stairs in Nichols prison with normal long ammo before. The person dropped below the stairs and I shot straight through and killed them. It may have been a weird cause of shooting through the gaps between them, but I was almost perfectly straight down with my aim. I have a clip if you're interesting.

[@HawkeyeJ14]

Alright, I have returned as promised. Found this informative and helpful. I also chortled your goofy bits later in the video. You might consider a followup video covering atypical penetration scenarios and materials. For example, how do things like windows, boxes, hay, and other objects affect penetration damage? Is glass considered thin wall? Does each side of the box count as a wall? What else is impenetrable? This info might be interesting to folks and warrant another video. Similarly, a video covering compounds with interesting penetration interactions. Thanks again for the great vid, best wishes!

[@MrBrady691]

Yeah this guy is going places, I feel like he has raised the bat for hunt content. Subscribed

[@Whimsly]

Another banger. Nice and organized, to the point, well-explained. All hail the spreadsheet 🙏 Happy wall-banging y'all

[@VinnieVirus]

Fantastic video. Loved the pacing, clean visuals with clear to understand text. 100% well earned subscription. Going to have to check out more of your videos.

[@ClosetPankin]

This is super informative and well-put together. The timestamps are super user friendly, I'm definitely taking a few liberties from you for future editing of my own. Subbed for your pure classic RS moxie. If you can stand someone taking down your group MMR, I'd love to run a few bounties with ya.

[@Cornf]

hop in the discord, I'm playing games with the guys in there

[@Maxificent]

You're a fucking legend! I was struggling to test this very thing today with a friend. May the Bayou bless you senpai.

[@kaysenix2343]

Your analysis videos are super helpful and honestly help me in my hunt games, thank you so much for making them and helping me understand special ammo more

[@WalkerSunriseChannel]

Great video, pen & damage reduction through walls is easily the most confusing aspect of Hunt and for how much of the game you can understand more easily it sticks out that pen is such a foggy topic. You've done a great service with this.

[@frozenslade7447]

Okay so this guide was fucking awesome, very specific, well spoken, and understandable, good video :)

[@inspaceoo9165]

Fun and insightful video! I knew the basics of Hunts penetration system but had no "hard" information about it, that changed. Thanks! I honestly dont know why the shredder amo pens metal so well. I also believe that this is an oversight.

[@Thunderous117]

Keep up the fantastic work! Knowledge is power and having the ability to make better informed decisions during gameplay thanks to your work is great!!!

[@eylonavraham8921]

You had my curiosity, but now you have my subscription.

[@KobraKai69]

It's great that you can now see how much pen damage does at the shooting range.

[@frostkillht]

I just got Hunt in this summer sale and vids like this are gonna be very helpful. Thank you.

[@Cornf]

Welcome to the bayou!

[@mellowdarkness3344]

The RuneScape graphics just bring nostalgia. Not to mention these videos are pretty helpful

[@Cornf]

Someone noticed! Loved that game as a kid

[@hatisbig95]

Excited to see you get to 50k subs. Stay consistent, stay concise.

[@gunsmackk]

really well done video, glad you made this

[@8bitToast]

I've been needing this info for years now. Thank you.

[@thrustfrombehind9869]

I was thinking about testing all this shit out for myself but there was just too many things to consider, with this information that has been layed perfectly, I dont have to learn the statistics for myself and will definetly use this information when I fight now.

[@ZIBO2830]

So much time invested in this video, just wow. Thanks

[@VargVikernes1488]

I was testing compact and medium FMJ in shooting range the other day and thought that what we really need is a comprehensive breakdown of penetration values for each ammo type. You're brilliant, dude. BTW, I have 3500 hours and I didn't know that long ammo loses metal sheet penetration past 50m. Would explain why I didn't get long range kills at some metal-covered catwalks. I also noticed that shredder ammo seemed to just outclass the standard nitro round in every way and felt broken. Thanks for confirming that.

[@Cornf]

Losing penetration at range drove me insane, I would have the perfect shot lined up and still miss. I thought it was just me but now I can retroactively attribute at least some of it to losing penetration at range.

[@VargVikernes1488]

@@Cornf yeah, I roughly knew the pen ranges for other types, but metal sheet penetration for long ammo specifically caught me off guard. I thought it would be just like wooden walls.

[@VAPORFEELS]

I am impressed with all your work to make this video. Well done brother.

[@casulatgame]

This is awesome, especially with the wave of new people coming in. This will help them (and existing players) immensely.

[@HawkeyeJ14]

You call it, "outplaying your opponents". I call it, "blatant intellectual hacking that shall be reported immediately following my undue demise" (Great video, I'm going to come back to this one later)

[@mkcompy]

Thank you for the information. I look forward to more of your technical videos. This is quite good information to now have filed away in my brain... only to be forgotten in the heat of combat. :P

[@Bishop1664]

I noticed the damage drop off for nitro through metal when playing around in the shooting range too, I figured it must be an oversight / bug

[@Jagrofes]

This is the quality Swamp Science this game needs.

[@deusexvelo]

You are the Andrew Hibernian of Hunt Showdown! Love this and would love to see a breakdown per weapon class I.e Vertelli in killing with different ammo as a suggestion, dum dum. Poison incendiary, I struggle to choose sometimes

[@lolkwizzy2969]

Geeez finally a guide on wall bang!! thank you a lot sir!

[@cthulhusrage3290]

Showing this to all the homies. Keep up the good work

[@Digganob590]

Wow, this is great. Would you please do an analysis on the various dum-dum ammos? More particularly, I am interested in the time to kill with different combinations of limb hits. That would be useful to know in some situations, whether my opponent has only one second to fight back, or five, or some such, depending on the weapon used, and range etc. Of course an exhaustive spreadsheet of it would be too much to ask for, but I bet some useful things could be found.

[@ColeBlueford]

That would be a nice analysis video, I agree. My vote for best gun to use with dum-dum is the Springfield. You can take half a measure of dum-dum and half a measure of regular ammo in order to retain the ability to wallbang or shoot mobs with more easily restocked ammo if you need to, and it's the strongest gun which can use dum-dum (not counting Nitro w/ Shredders). Half a measure of regular ammo also doubles the available ammo stock for a Pax or Scottfield, and a Scottifield Spitfire is an excellent pistol overall and pairs nicely as a backup to a strong single shot weapon. They also just buffed the bleed medium ammo dum-dum causes, so it's more severe if they don't have Bloodless. _Technically_ the award for best gun to use dum-dums on *should* be the Drilling, but they were scared that it would be too good so it comes with a severe velocity penalty which deflates that a lot. Also, a Drilling is quite expensive, especially with custom ammo(s), while a Springfield is in the dirt cheap category of guns you can pay for with a single clue. That doesn't matter for some, but for others cheap is a factor, so just saying. About a tenth the price is a pretty big deal, no?

[@ms.blackfire2927]

personally I like to play a little bit for fun silent Winfield fmj simply because it makes it so you can actually 2 tap at good range like 50 / 60 meters away anyway😉 this is another fantastic showcase why thanks to the new shooting range we are finally able to more easily experiment and test stats and statistics of weapons and their function in the game I for example find out even if I hit a the upper torso of a hunter at 150 meters with a Martin Henry it will still take 4 compact ammo hits to kill with for example a officer and you might ask "that is not that important?" but it is if you play officer high velocity and try to finish off someone and might ask why don't they die I hit them with long ammo I also tested how much damage decrease you do with certainly weapons on certain body parts for example the new hammar can kill with 1 hit if you hit the leg or arm with a heavy attack

[@PenitusVox]

Shotbolt is also one of the members of the small club of ammo types that can penetrate one hunter to hurt or kill another.

[@artemperesada3454]

These guides are invaluable, thank you

[@QuanchProductions]

Fantastic editing in this video, earned a new sub!

[@YvraineSimp]

just found your channel, I absolutely love the attention to detail.

[@Cornf]

Glad you liked it!

[@alextaylor2445]

Thanks for this. I never really understood penning in this game.

[@dave6653]

Very cool. I practiced this myself in the new shooting range. I wanted to see if long fmj could go through the thinner parts of the stone walls at fort but it couldn't. I actually couldn't find anything in the game where it made much of a difference so that was cool you found something where it does (the prison stairs).

[@KaKaRoT0016]

Your good voice saved you stay humble

[@PoneyChad]

Man i love this vid, i watch it 10x times.

[@p1preferred71]

Keep making videos brother, you’ll make it.

[@HendarsChannel]

Well made video! Subbed I am really bad at wallbangs but I did kill someone through the gap of a fence with fire bullets on a bornheim I didn't think it would work but the dude was crouched next to a fence and I thought I'd try. Thankfully it worked as we were inbetween two teams I thought we were screwed. I should give these a try! Never really know with some ammo types if they will just blow up on the side or not.

[@xwF4T4L1TYwx]

This guy is going to be the xclusive ace of hunt

[@Cornf]

Hey! I used to watch him long ago back when I played CoD, definitely taken some inspiration from him!

[@KaasyDE]

really nice and helpful fully fletched out analysis!

[@curty_bear]

This is the source I've been looking for. Ty. Subbed

[@curty_bear]

How would u rate fmj on the pax? I might be blind, but I couldn't find it on your list.

[@Cornf]

It's good, but the caldwell conversion with fmj is nearly the same.

[@curty_bear]

@@Cornf Roger that. Helpful content bud

[@JorgeLTE]

Awesome! Please keep them coming!

[@mohnkuchenzentrale]

Really good video! I feel like I am ready for that engineering degree

[@quack_stack]

Great video! Wanted one like this for a while

[@FoxrainFuture]

That was incredibly helpful! thanks!

[@psychotropicpineapples]

Pro tip on the audio: For KZbin, ideally, you want your audio to be around -17 LUFS if you have a way to measure that in your video editing software. If you go beyond -14 then YT will begin to force the volume down, though it'll still be unpleasantly high. A good way to check if the levels are good on a video you've uploaded(or to check other people's videos for reference) is to right-click on the video and select 'Stats for nerds', then check the line where it says Volume / Normalized. 0dB is that absolute limit I mentioned(I know it's confusing, but 0dB on YT basically means the same as -14 LUFS), so you want to aim for about 3dB or so below that limit. In the case of this video, it reads that the audio is at -7.6dB. That's not bad, but it is a little quiet and I had to turn my own volume up while watching. So whatever levels you had for this one, I'd recommend increasing it by about 4dB in the future. If all this LUFS stuff is too complicated and you don't want to go down the rabbit hole of figuring out what the hell that shit means, I'd recommend that you aim to have your audio in a typical audio meter reaching about -6dB or so when you're talking, with no peaks beyond -2dB.

[@Cornf]

Hey cheers, I'll look into this. Audio consistently seems to be the most challenging part of editing.

[@nickmclean4004]

Last I personally checked (before this event), Silencers affected pen. Ex- Silent Sparks couldn't pen metal w/o fmj. Is this still true? Personally I was always bothered by the pen reduction. I also would argue fmj on the Martini isn't terrible- you have the ammo capacity to feel good running half reg/half fmj, and with it you can pen much easier in compounds and thru roofs.

[@Cornf]

Yes that is true, and something I didn't catch in my video. Good point!

[@nickmclean4004]

@@Cornf Dang, I was hoping there was a secret buff to Silent fmj lol

[@spartansamuri]

great video! grreat info! now one type of vid i haven't seen be made is the topic of audio , aka me and my buddiess still argue that hell hounds howling mean players, and some horse sounnds are just ambient and are not hunters.

[@glebustinov5701]

You have just earned yourself a subscriber

[@Totallyking]

Phenomenal video! So useful, thank you!