What You Didn't Know About Slugs in Hunt Showdown - Patch 1.13 Slug Analysis & Guide

[@Spacesnakes474]

I feel like slugs disappearing at 100m is the perfect demonstration of the weird ways shotguns have to work for videogame balance. Because I can assure you that you do not want to be standing 100m away from the business end of a shotgun shooting slugs

[@ZzVinniezZ]

They could make them deal extremely low damage instead...disappearing shotgun pellets in video game is getting annoying

[@robertharris6092]

Rifle rounnds disapear after... 400? Meters. Its at something around there.

[@robertharris6092]

​@@ZzVinniezZ all projectiles disapear after a certain distance.

[@cloggedpizza239]

M1014 slugs are used at 90m reliably. I know its a modern gun but hunt balancing is funny.

[@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286]

@@cloggedpizza239 You can shoot slugs past 200m if you know what you are doing. And shotguns are lethal way, way past 12m lol.

[@itszaque]

The analysis content creation space on this game is pretty wide open, there arent many doing it! Im excited to see more from you, this was great.

[@VomitmasteR]

Amazing Quality for your 4th Video. I clicked on this and expected a whole series in this format, considering how well made, quickly paced and informative this vid is. Keep it up buddy

[@Cornf]

That means a lot, thanks!

[@lnugl]

I was pleasantly surprised by your channel. Informative and to the point, a little gem of a channel. I think your format would work great with "vs" videos where you can compare the stats of similar guns. Just a suggestion of course, would also love if you did a video on the centennial. Edit: Just saw you're 1 step ahead of me with the vs idea.

[@redhawkfour]

A solid video that cuts the fluff and gets straight to the point. I hope to see some more stuff like this! One thing I will say for your closing thought that "there is no reason to not use the Crown and King" is that, on paper, that's true, but the sights for the Crown and King have always been kind of weird to look through for me at least. The Double Barrel has probably a cleanest sight picture and lets you immediately get off a second shot, similar to the crown and king. Though it's true that the crown has the range advantage for headshot kills, the upper and lower torso is debatably negligible with the 1 meter difference. Though most of that is just down to personal preference with the sights. But again, I didn't know any of this about slugs, and will definitely influence how and what I use slugs with down the line.

[@schleybailey]

Imo it's gotta be between the rival and the slate

[@eli83627]

not to mention that with buckshot the rng can fck you up very badly, when you're not using slugs.. don't know how many time the crown just said nono when i used it in extreme close quarters xD i found the slate to be more consistent with buckshot

[@Bishop1664]

Lately I often find i've regretted taking slugs at all and most situations i'd rather of had buckshot

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

Every time i use slugs i find nyaelf saying. " if i has used a crossbow hed be dead."

[@clownworld4655]

Regular buckshot is the best in all shotguns. If I want longer range I use flechette and two tap hipfire people

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

@@clownworld4655 in theory slug is a straight upgrade to shells if you ignore it being special. Flechette works nice with explosive crossy or sparks. Penny is fantastic for pve and it has a far further oneshot range, but you do trade reliability as you have 50% less pellets. Fire ammo i do think is kind of a waste.

[@spessman9070]

I use slugs like buckshot at close range, and it tends to work just fine. I have a few clips of it recently uploaded as well.

[@Sigil_Firebrand]

I prefer pennyshot in the terminus, slugs in the handcannons, and buck in literally everything else.

[@sirminty8495]

Great video. Personally, I already knew this myself but it is always good to have a refresher. The firing range is great and will open a lot of testing bits for this game.

[@nobleradical2158]

I knew, instinctively, that the crown slugs were the best, but I had no idea why (esp. when buck was so bad on it), so this vid was really informative.

[@AtomicCatacombs]

Excellent video, I'm so glad the shooting range allows for extensive tests like this!

[@frederikbh1]

Oh boy such amazing content! A video on grenades sure would be awesome!

[@pogopew]

2:36 that was a stinking shot

[@PedroHenrique-dh3bq]

that's some outstanding quality for a channel with less than 1K subscribers! Keep it on!

[@genin8562]

Great video! I hope to see more informative videos like this!

[@TheMastroAntonio]

I most like how you were able to put this in a quick video under six minutes and didn't drag it out to 20 minutes like other people's videos.

[@itmenplay7528]

Best hunt showdown channel I’ve ever seen! Thanks for info videos

[@EnolaDab]

First of all. How the h I missing this channel. This is awesome and useful. Can’t wait for watch till the end to subscribe. Thank you. Even I mainly using slug, I still love the details that you explain. It’s so easy to understand. Hope to see you in next video soon. Thank you.

[@eagleeye7166]

short concise and well put together! love it!

[@jffry890]

With hard damage numbers and distance indicators, the amount of testing the nerds are going to do with the next patch is going to clear up many many misconceptions about the game, especially with shotguns.

[@wpowers514]

Fairly interesting to know and nice style of video. I usually run slugs with romero because I find it fun but usually don't play with the crown and king

[@xReifox]

Good video with good info thanks! Was really surprised about 3:42 , I knew this was a problem for crossbows/bows and for some reason I thought it was also the case for slugs. Also, quite surprised how long barrel and medium barrel have similar ranges (thought it was like 2-3m diff), I guess it doesn't matter that much.

[@andikachu689]

Great video, really changed my mind about the lemat. Keep it up!

[@revelae]

specter having wider spread than romero HC is wild

[@nickmclean4004]

Comes down to dmg tho

[@MaxV0ltage]

I don't think Specter's spread is wider. The screenshot evidence he shows (from Forrest Williams) has the Specter spread magnified more than the Romero HC spread. If anything they are the same, though to me it looks like Specter has slightly tighter spread. (not that the difference matters much at all lol)

[@ross.metcalf]

Hey man, great video and thanks for sharing. A bit of feedback on the video: the audio level at the start of the video was great, loud and clear. But the later sections seem quieter and less clear, maybe the mic is farther away or something or you changed the audio levels? The barrel length section is quieter, and it gets quieter with the slug damage/loadout changes section. Then closing thoughts seems to be a bit louder, but not as loud as the intro. I'd recommend normalizing the volume throughout the video to match the initial section's audio, since people usually adjust their volume when the start watching a new video, but it can be distracting to adjust it mid video. Cheers, looking to seeing more of your stuff in the future.

[@PopeRecords]

I like the quality, and the content is good! I think your a bit quiet, and you should turn your mic up a bit. Steelseries is great for helping mic quality, otherwise great job and very informative!

[@Cornf]

Thanks, I'll try upping the gain next time.

[@JorgeLTE]

Awesome format! And very informative. Please keep it up!

[@KevlarK149]

Wow, excellent detail and information in this video! Subbing right away. Thanks for the slug knowledge!

[@bigblackclock5061]

Good video m8, keep it up

[@Malfeasance1]

Great video and great info. Definitely looking forward to experimenting in the shooting range myself.

[@Conan361]

This was a very straight forward and informative video. Thank you for that sir.

[@misterio3678]

So the crown really IS king huh? Very informative, thank you for the info, you just got yourself a new sub!

[@Totallyking]

Great video. I learned a lot.

[@Cornf]

All buckshot spreads imgur.com/a/IxuWAOV Credit to u/ForTheWilliams

[@modestMousse]

Wow, the romero handcannon is *surprisingly* tight.

[@MegaHellstrike]

That's some very useful knowledge! Btw could you turn up the voice over Audio in the future? VO was quiet in the beginning and then things got pretty loud when gameplay began

[@jimmydagher3035]

Great content, looking forward to watching more

[@LeRoyt97]

Love to see that the firing range is already being so usefull, and it hasn't even come out on live servers yet.

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

I think shoguns should get a new variant, the paradox variant which gives them rifled chokes to use with slugs and remove slugs from the other variants, that way if you wanna balance slugs you don't have to touch the other shotguns. It also feels like slugs are mostly used for CQC oneshots and not for what they were designed for really. Maybe decrease dmg to 145 similar to a sparks and then have them retain more dmg at range so they are more of an option to engage people at longer ranges with a shotgun and not the nonplusultra shotgun round.

[@guitarlicker_]

Quality Hunt content. Subbed.

[@doinkindonut]

Thanks for the informative video, subbed!

[@amiraziz2331]

wow nuew sub, thanks KZbin for the recommendation XD

[@pauljennings1466]

Good info, good length. Good.

[@VinnieVirus]

I think your approach to detail would greatly benefit to a melee guide. All purchasable melee, lootable ones on the map, the perk to throw lootable melee and it’s various applications and damage values, etc

[@cassidy8307]

Kept hitting arms with lemat slugs and blaming the lemat. Now I know it's a slug thing; very useful to know. I'll be using slugs even less

[@clownworld4655]

They really need to tighten the spread of full sized shotguns

[@CasualDandyAkaSqwrty]

Technically, the spread is much tighter than the reticle shows. You may have seen the 'Hunt's Shotgun Reticle Lies' videos, where they cover that. I agree with you, though! Either represent it as it is, or make those max-range ohk's possible with the choke that comes with having a longer barrel.

[@robertharris6092]

They just need to make the crosshair match it. Its stupid that someone can be half inside the crosshair but onlyv1 or 2 pellets hit them.

[@clownworld4655]

@@CasualDandyAkaSqwrty yea I’m aware and the reticles should be fixed, but the fact that some handcanon variants are technically better than full sized shotguns is unbalanced. People cry about the very thought of buffing shotguns though just like they whine about the Avto being OP when it’s really not or the nitro not being the worst gun in the game if you factor in the price.

[@Squee7e]

​@@robertharris6092the reticule shows where the center cone of the spread goes. Then each individual pellet spread is calculated to be within that cone. The crosshair therefore only shows where the barrel could "point" during firing when shooting from the hip

[@robertharris6092]

@@Squee7e except every single time you shoot the cone is in tge dead center of the crosshair.

[@Ace-fi8vs]

I was playing against my friend for fun in the range, full dmg enabled. He used slug with caldwell rival canon, i used normal ammo Crown&King. I tapped him while he was climbing up a latter in the upper body, he had 1 hp or so left and 1 tapped me with his slug, i was devastated 😂

[@submersivefenboy]

nice wallbang at 2:36

[@Cornf]

If you like wall bangs you'll love my next video. Should be out in a couple of days.

[@bobspalding2477]

Damn fine work

[@Swigg1337]

Im a bit confused. The intro seems to indicate that the crown has farther range than romero and spectre yet they are all long barrel and therefore should all be exactly the same correct?

[@PracticalPotato]

It’s a trick question. If you said any of them has better range than the others you’d be wrong.

[@Swigg1337]

@@PracticalPotato For sure im just saying the way the others were crossed off gives the impression that the crown was correct answer as opposed to the answer being they are all equal.

[@nathanarmaing5575]

Looks like LeMat is back on the menu boys ! Slug seems to make it a competitive one shot gun

[@robertharris6092]

They always have

[@maluinthe90s]

Honestly, buckshot is just great overall, especially if you move with speed and aggression. My squad will run a load out where one of us has a suppressed rifle for which they lay down covering fire. The second will run a Romero hatchet and a Caldwell chain with fanning and dum dums. I run a bow and a Romero hatchet or a Talon if I have quarter master. The Romero chain and Caldwell guy runs frags while I run a single dynamite bundle and concertina and block exits. We dynamite a door open getting rid of traps, then throw four frags in and storm in. It usually works as most people cannot front a coherent defense in a few seconds. It also helps too that we can actually aim as well.

[@OVERLORD11566]

I have had better luck with the spector, but this info is very helpful

[@superguy183828]

So is are bolts and arrows simply better than slugs? I suppose they can't penetrate wood walls, but they have so much longer OHKO range. Especially the bow and arrow, which can even one-shot-kill when hitting an arm from up to 6m away with hundred hands trait buff full draw (~3.3 seconds). Plus bow can quickfire follow up with a not full draw refire time of ~1.3 seconds. Bow just feels vastly superior to handcannons, and even fill sized slug shotguns, assuming you can keep it full drawn ahead of time

[@Cornf]

Yes, with the caveat that since bolts and arrows don't have limb penetration, you can often hit someone dead in the center of their chest and still not have it be a kill. Slugs are a bit less range, but their muzzle velocity coupled with their ability to penetrate limbs means they will feel more consistent.

[@superguy183828]

@@Cornf hmm, good point. I guess to revise my theory crafting, just to write it down, in light of that point, bow/crossbow is better than slug shotguns from point blank to 6m away (OHKO arms, muzzle speed doesn't matter yet), but then between 6m and 16m, slug shotguns could potentially OHKO by penetrating an arm to hit an upper torso, whereas arrow/bolt just stick in the arm (but still OHKO lower gut, and could bleed kill). And then anything past 15m bow/crossbow can OHKO torso whereas slugs cannot. And very far headshot range, but bullet velocity makes it unlikely. So slugs have the potential to perform better at specifically between 6m-16m, if a slug penetrates an arm to hit the upper (not lower) torso. Which... Seems bad

[@patrict527]

Could you do one for penny shot? No one touches it as a subject

[@Gratia69]

5:18 are you using reshade?

[@MaxV0ltage]

1:37 Is there more evidence for Romero Handcannon buckshot spread being tighter than the Specter? The screenshots you show are from Forrest Williams' video, where he states that handcannons are nearly as accurate as the full length variants. The screenshot for the Specter is more magnified, since the purpose was to compare reticule to spread, rather than spread between shotguns. Love these informative videos btw.

[@codexnecrogeddon]

Once I started playing crossbow, I stopped playing slugs and never went back. 1k hours later and it's still the same. Buckshot or crossbow for me. Shotbolt also has an infinite kill range if you hit upper torso or head.

[@ClassicRedEye]

When I was playing with slugs in the shooting range I noticed passed their hs range it was no longer counting as a headshot. Example 20 meters with lemat carbine one shot hill with the headshot sound effect but 21 meters didn't kill and don't play the sound effect

[@Baysck]

great video!

[@Rodjunior9]

I love your channel and your almost scientifically correct approach :) (the shooting range really makes a lot of things easier in this respect!) I'm still unclear after the video whether you would recommend slugs on the handcannons/compact variants vs buckshot or flechettes?

[@eldaxternator]

Quick observation, if I recall right, I think a while ago they changed the specter bayonet to be a long barrel as well. I might be wrong tho. Could be nice to check it out to be completely sure.

[@musiogo]

C&K originally was a medium barrel shotgun not a long one. It was updated down the line somewhere (release of terminus maybe?)

[@phil1339]

Pennyshot next pls :) specific the spray pattern compared to buckshot und the amount of pennys per shot

[@Alex-tf7cs]

i miss the old shotgun barrel mechanic, some shotguns feel frustratingly inconsistent now. Feels exceptionally bad to get outranged by a handcannon when im carrying a full size shotgun because I got unlucky with pellet spread.

[@MyKcuL]

‘There’s no reason to not use the crown & king’ expect cost of course

[@joeyjoe55555]

Great video

[@austin123412341234]

SPECTER!

[@austin123412341234]

DAMNIT!

[@MikeThaïSon]

Cool video !

[@hilkmeister1382]

Great video and here’s a test idea: how much more pen does FMJ give over regular ammo?

[@Cornf]

At the top of my list. I'm super interested in this as well.

[@Brooksie997]

Great vid

[@davekutzke8821]

Good info 😊

[@mozkuthehermit5909]

Funny how whole concept changes totally from buckshots to slugs

[@gerrytheleper6604]

MOAR Analysis Videos please.

[@calaiart]

how can I see the damage numbers?

[@LordSoundWave]

What are your thoughts about slugs on the LeMat carbine? Just killed the entire lobby last night mostly using it but wanted to know if you tested that at all. Great vid and thanks for the info!

[@Cornf]

I like the idea of the LMC but I have a hard time with the bullet velocity, the shotgun barrel is super versatile though. I'm more excited for the uppermat.

[@LordSoundWave]

@@Cornf thats fair, you have to LEAD those shots! 😂 thanks for the reply.

[@sneed5709]

Very cool cornf

[@beH3uH]

I love running shotguns, but they have been pretty underwhelming recently, idk why. What i found through hours of playing is this: 1. romero with pennies for pve 2. slugs for crown and king 3. bleed for spectre 4. normal ammo for caldwell due to the burst double hit 5. normal ammo + levering is 50/50 on terminus Other ammo types just suck balls. I have yet to give pennies a try. I can't one shot anything anymore with a shotgun, so i stick with caldwell for that burst damage. It really pains me to see this, because i enjoy the shotty vs the long ammo bois. There are more mind games.

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

I suggest penny or slugs on slate. I usually rock the rival tho. Since with ita firerate u usually get 2 shots of in a peek, and its 2shot range is crazy

[@Cornf]

Give buckshot on the terminus another try, it's my personal favorite shotgun

[@clownworld4655]

I can tell you aren’t very experienced with shotguns

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

@@clownworld4655 who?

[@robertharris6092]

You shoulsnt be shooting anything in PVE.

[@Owlboi]

why was this supposed to be suprising? this data pretty much aligned with what i thought nearly 1:1 good video though, very informative.

[@jimmygreenspan8832]

Hey I could really use a buckshot vs slug analysis! Seems like they have very similar one hit kill ranges. Almost to the point where slugs might be pointless.

[@huntRicedown]

Does the Romero handcannon actually have better spread than specter?

[@tomtomnichtnavi1431]

I would be interested in your opinion about Penny shot. As you said in another video, shotguns are designed for ohk. But often enough they just don't (too long range, limb hit etc.). I allways tought Penny shot to be just a downgread, but recently I figured the high damage + bleed can give you another chance in a fight.

[@Cornf]

I'm interested in pennyshot as well, I can tell you from just goofing around in the firing range that the range isn't great, but there could be some outlier shotguns that I missed.

[@ohdeergod]

It’s fascinating watching gameplay of some of these guys. Running full speed, opponent running full speed, and they just flick the weapon up and snap a headshot at 75m+ with iron sights. Yeahhhhhhh. About that.

[@DatNooit]

Great video, but could you up the volume a little? Its very quiet.

[@spessman9070]

Great video, but the Specter with slugs will always be my favorite.

[@pehpunkthahpunkt4179]

great content! 🤠👍 thats a sub for you and hopefully more videos for me 😉

[@DXXXVIII]

Please do Crossbow bolts and Shotbolts next

[@Cornf]

I'm definitely interested in all of the bow types and their custom ammos, maybe after 1.13 drops officially

[@namewanted2606]

What type of barrel does the lematt carbine have?

[@Cornf]

Medium Barrel! It's at 1:27

[@UnLoCkeeD]

This might be a wierd one, but with avtomat, is it worth at long ranges to do the shot cancel (fire one shot then imminently swap guns) or just fire all three rounds?

[@Cornf]

Pre 1.13? Yes. Post 1.13? Probably not. Even though you're only shooting one bullet it still subtracts 3 from your mag, with ammo as scarce as it is in 1.13 it won't be worthwhile.

[@theReason99]

Why was the slate not in this video

[@124thDragoon]

The problem with your initial buckshot segment is that there's more to buckshot efficacy than spread pattern. Every shotgun has slightly differing damage falloff per pellet. This is why the Terminus, for example, deals less effective damage at 10m than a Slate, but *can* 1-shot someone at 14m while the Slate's ability to do this ends at 13m. You're also talking about this concept as if there has been a fundamental change; there hasn't, at least not to buckshot. There have simply *always* been exceptions to the general trend. The fundamental change has been to slugs.

[@Wiesterion]

Hope you can make the Same Video only With the Short shotguns

[@Nobody-dl4tm]

C&K slugs is so damn fun. Except you're out of ammo after the first fight 😅

[@Lunefist]

Id suggest checking the volume on the videos, the volume was really low on this one

[@kykiske321]

Im not fan of the slugs. I feel like they are too reliant on mid-range torso shooting. I prefer a 2-shot rifle that kills at (almost) any distance, or if I take it more to the extreme, a general purpose shotgun to obliterate the hunter who had the audacity to get close to me. Added to the fact that they are expensive, they end up being a No-No to my taste.

[@SkyeTsow]

What are the current spread patterns for the shotguns?

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

In order from best to worst spread. Romero Specter/crown Slate Caldwell rival Terminus

[@Cornf]

Check the description for an infographic!

[@Owlboi]

​@@mikahoolwerff3563literally bogus

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

@@Owlboi maybe im wrong, but thats what ive always followed

[@blackkermit964]

I've played with this guy before he's 1 star MMR, he asked me to boost his rank because he wants to be higher MMR than his best friend Jacob Franovic.

[@MickeRosenqvist]

You forgot a crucial part about slugs. They are way more powerful coming out of the enemy barrel.

[@downunderdudes5227]

Hell yeh brutha

[@Friday_WasTaken]

The hand cannon has better spread than the spectre? Did they change both? I have been feeling the spectre is kinda shit lately? Comparison vid for all shotguns maybe? :D

[@Cornf]

Weird right? The slate(med) also has a tighter spread then the crown(long). Check the description, I've linked an image with all of the shotgun spread patterns.

[@Friday_WasTaken]

@@Cornf ooo Great thanks :)

[@mikahoolwerff3563]

Keep in mind that spread iant everything. Medium barrela have less dmg range while the romero has remarkably better dmg range than the rest

[@Friday_WasTaken]

@@mikahoolwerff3563 yee just Gina need to blast stuff in the firing range :D and testytesttest

[@polvimer]

I dont hear nothing. Cun u fix micro ?

[@ClosetPankin]

good info, take some audience interaction

[@Romb1000]

Can you make a review of Garfield Kart next? I would like to know if Jon is a more efficient build than Liz. Thanks!

[@gunhead7159]

The Romero blows, Rival gang for life!