HELL YEAH!! A decent guide on determining authenticity! Been trying to work on one myself haha, though my idea goes into.... muuuuch more depth 💀 Anyways, a few clarifications on certain facts and details. I know you were trying to be general with the facts so that itd be easier to digest, but my autism compels me to add on lmao - About the magnets, it has been discovered that pets 1 - 320 were originally produced with red magnets, with this trend ending after the release of 321 and the others from his line. I haven't been able to determine where gray/blue magnets ended exactly, but I have found it ends somewhere in the 700 - 800 ballpark. Pets after that were produced with no magnet whatsoever. Another thing to note is that certain pets released very early on were rereleased with gray magnets. There's a select few pets that were released with completely filled feet, their magnets instead being in their head. A popular example is 16 - Additionally, there is one very special case. 5, the first shorthair, was produced with ALL THREE foot types. She was rereleased to hell and back, causing this to happen. Versions of her authentic with a hole are hard to find. - You were correct about the neck pegs! One general rule is that pets 2000 and up are released with white neck pegs, though they didn't get consistent until 2100. Blythe pets, such as 1615, always have white neck pegs as well. As do blind bag pets. However, there may be authentic pets outside of those conditions with white pegs. These are very few and extremely far between, as they are most likely factory errors. - EDIT: Forgot a tidbit! Blythe pets were also produced with different material, which is why that one spaniel was super squishy! - you are absolutely correct about the eyes too! I just feel a need to clarify that there are some pets past 456 that were produced with matte eyes... including my own mascot, 491! However, there's not many. The only ones I am aware of are 491 and the pets he comes with. - Those fakes were so ugly, man 😭😭😭💀 Anyways, sorry this turned out to be a BEHEMOTH of a comment, I'm mentally unwell about lps and it's 3 AM Cool video !!!!!!!!!!!! - mod salem of the very epic and cool ccrtv server
@ccrtelevision Жыл бұрын
I LOVE THESE TIPS UR SO GOOD
@lpssalem Жыл бұрын
@@ccrtelevision TY CARTER UR THE BEST 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@jaythejollyclown Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see an in-depth video by you on this, Salem - just this comment of yours has me intrigued to learn more 👀
@Dontpickmeup Жыл бұрын
@@ccrtelevision apparently I bought a fake lps… I love your vids, keep up the good work and thank you for helping me spot fakes!
@rosequartz-m Жыл бұрын
AH TOO MANY WORDS
@stardxe Жыл бұрын
Honestly if you buy fakes knowing they’re fakes I’m all for it. They look good to me and not everyone can drop so much money trying to get their dreamies, but if you sell fakes as authentic…. Shakes head
@effysdrug Жыл бұрын
literally! like, it’s the bare minimum to at least INFORM the buyer or add it into the description.
@delicatecentipede Жыл бұрын
i hate people who sell fakes and dont put "they are fakes" in the description of their products, i feel bad for people who think they got their dream pet authentic but its just a fake. i get some people wanna make a quick buck by saying their fake is real and selling it, but its just a rude thing to do.
@not_me_bad_luck. Жыл бұрын
At October i well buy lps but im worried rn if it fake i already look at the shoope my dream toy is look like fake lps 😞
@IsThisJd5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don’t understand why can’t they just be honest. They’ll still have people that are interested
@Skyplaywithval3 ай бұрын
Guys dont buy fake lps! Some can have dangerous matierals and can cause cancer
@swagstorm9629 Жыл бұрын
To me it doesn’t matter if they are fake or not. As long as I am receiving a high quality item that looks authentic, I’ll still use it, since I only make skits. Though I do feel really bad for collectors who get scammed by the fake LPS, my heart goes out to y’all!
@Lisea0 Жыл бұрын
But if its fake and u buy it for a lot of money.. u casually just use 10$ for a thing they have bought probably for 0,01$ from china or something-
@jakob9246 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the fakes aren't made as well even if they feel like they are. In my experience they always feel and look cheap, but some certainly look and feel cheaper than others. The fake ones are made of poorer quality material which is why people can buy them for so cheap. Also, I've heard quite a few of the fakes are made with dangerous materials that can cause cancer and infertility.
@kageyamaukai3112 Жыл бұрын
Same I just want to play with them
@kaotekendygamer8719 Жыл бұрын
Omg same!
@CorruptCrowz Жыл бұрын
And as long as you dont catch a disease from it.
@FeatheredCreature Жыл бұрын
One good thing about fakes is you can customize em without wrecking a fine pet
@BlueMiaou Жыл бұрын
I'm very thankful for this video! Even though I've been in the community for over half my life, the fakes have gotten really good at replicating the feel of authentics recently, which can be kind of disheartening for people who are serious about collecting. Thank you carter!
@muffins3629 Жыл бұрын
Same here man!! I’ve been collecting since I was roughly 9 years old and I’m 21 now and it’s getting harder and harder to tell apart the fakes at some times, this is why nowadays I only buy from LPSQueen since they are a guaranteed authentic lps seller.
@LPSElliee Жыл бұрын
it’s always the chubbier cheeks of every real lps compared to fake lps that gets me knowing. the eyes are another indicator but towards feeling, real lps are less stiff in bobble.
@d0gmat1c Жыл бұрын
I've fallen out of love with Littlest Pet Shop for a few years now and have recently decided to start collecting all of the pets I've dreamed of as a kid now that I have adult money to spare, just as a healing treat. This video has been very informative & helpful to make sure I avoid falling for any fakes, thank you a lot for making it! :)
@jakob9246 Жыл бұрын
You've fallen OUT of love with them or you've fallen IN love with them? I'm just curious why you would want to collect them if you don't like them anymore.
@d0gmat1c Жыл бұрын
@@jakob9246 Sorry, english isn't my first language so I might've worder my thoughts wrong. I've fallen out of love with them for a few years and recently started to love littlest pet shop again is what I meant :)
@Rainygirl3100 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to add that for the shorthair cats, fakes usually have more of a curved back, giving them a slight booty lol. Some models can be hard to tell unless you have a real and a fake side by side, but if the cat looks like it has scoliosis then it's almost definitely a fake
@LPShavenofficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for posting this! It's very helpful- I know that most LPStubers talk about how to find fakes in there vids but having a whole vid dedicated to that? Ya done good. 🤩😆
@LPShavenofficial Жыл бұрын
Also WAIT- WHAT'S GONNA BE CHANGING THE COMMUNITY- I NEED TO KNOW- 😆
@ccrtelevision Жыл бұрын
🦇🐀💥
@liecowolf7574 Жыл бұрын
I wanna add one tip that also helps! It's about the plastic edges/lines in pets (these tips works with main5 pets) !! I don't promise these are 100%true in every pets, you should look for another signs too !! Usually, in fake collies, cockers, dachshunds and shorthairs, the line is going on their back while real ones have them on the sides of the body !( Great dane is exception! they have it on their back)! - real collies have circle-shaped plastic edge on their right front paw (you can see the real collie having it 23:18) - if pet has line going up to its neck (front side), its fake - in short hairs, lines on their tail shouldn't meet under the tail (making Y-looking shape), they should "go around" the tail on their own sides In other pets, the lines should also go from side to side, not behind the tail (Great dane is exception again, they have line going from butt up to tail) Some fake collies might have the same Y-shape behind the tail as short hairs fakes I know its almost impossible to spot these from pics but if you have the pet in you hands you really should check how the lines are going on it This might be confusing but I hope it helps
@theeachuisge Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much But I did not understand your Y looking shape explanation about short hairs.
@Shinyrockprincess Жыл бұрын
I haven't been in this Fandom since 4 years ago but now I know wha to do
@Mrnnki Жыл бұрын
This video came at a perfect time for me! I'm currently trying to find replacements for all of the pets I lost a few years ago when my "keep" bag got misplaced. While the design is more important to me than authenticity, I prefer to know when they aren't legitimate. Especially if I'm looking for one of the more expensive ones!
@Kk-lt1hs Жыл бұрын
Honestly I don’t really care if they are fake or not cause they look so alike and I can get them cheap 😂 Love your videos keep up the amazing work!! ❤️❤️❤️
@Toaster_nummber111 ай бұрын
They ain't as high quality and people make some fake lps not like real lps like it's there design
@jedigovna29511 ай бұрын
@@Toaster_nummber1i like to play with my fakes
@Toaster_nummber111 ай бұрын
@@jedigovna295 I wasn't talking about that but ok I'm not tryna be rude
@jedigovna29511 ай бұрын
@@Toaster_nummber1 ok
@Abbytempleton Жыл бұрын
Lps cocker spaniel with brown and white fur with freckles there is a fake of it and for first glance it's convincing. The pet you showed was like the easiest to tell fake spaniel lol
@clabaugh5427 Жыл бұрын
Plugging. 😁💅👀👄💋💗💗💗💖💖💕💞💝💓💌😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
@clabaugh5427 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Lil
@MADRAMUZZLE Жыл бұрын
The only bad thing about “fake” lps is when people sell them for the same price as authentic ones. Other than that they’re actually pretty good!
@Lisea0 Жыл бұрын
Ive been collecting old LPS since i was 4 😅 This helps alot tbh. Always when someone is selling LPS figures (not in store) i usually see always they are fake, and cost so much! Im always careful tho 😁
@kristenmarie18 Жыл бұрын
Thank for making this!! I decided I wanted to restart my collection recently and I've been very cautious about which ones are real and which ones are fake. The 5 I just bought were all real (none of them are any big 5 molds though lol)
@autisticgirlboss1014 Жыл бұрын
I'm autistic and my special interest has been lps since 2016 (I was 9). I told my friend about it for the first time since I'm kinda embarrassed about it. She brought her lps and and she was very excited to show me a specific one. It was collie number 1542! I felt so bad telling her that it was fake and she was kinda upset 😭 I should totally send her this video lol
@low_keymadison10 ай бұрын
I'm autistic!!! Too and I love lps as WELL! 💛
@RanEdgar-ok3wk8 ай бұрын
I’m autistic too! :0 specifically Asperger’s, and I also have adhd! I kinda drift in and out of the fandom x] I love httyd and LPS! :D!!
@LPSZinniaStudio Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this, you do such a good job at actually explaining things (I'm pretty good at spotting fakes but I don't think I could explain it very well). It's definitely going to be really helpful for a lot of people. I wish younger me saw this video before getting scammed for like 40$ lol.
@theeachuisge Жыл бұрын
What is the easiest way to tell it is fake?
@Tropics-n4l5 ай бұрын
You can also look for seams from the mold, usually the authentic pets have a couple of indentations or dips along the seams while the fakes don't. Take dachshunds for example, they have a very noticeable spot on their front right paws and the fakes are completely smooth.
@lpsannakinz6888 Жыл бұрын
IVE MISSED LPS SO MUCH ITS GREAT TO STILL SEE PEOPLE POSTING AB LPS
@cowboylikecaroline13 Жыл бұрын
Yes this is exactly what I needed! I have a lot of lps I’ve gotten that I’m not sure are real or not! Just like my main lps which is the one on the thumbnail I wanna know if it’s real!
@annakkate2004 Жыл бұрын
It's always easier for me to tell if a LPS is fake by texture since I'm visually impaired and it's harder for me to see the little details.
@anokartist2352 Жыл бұрын
I'm planning to start collecting again when they remake g2 so I'll probably be needing these types of vids
@-pertysad- Жыл бұрын
Omg. My LPS phase is all coming back to me
@Sunspot.x Жыл бұрын
You're litlerly my childhood KZbinr, so the fact I found your channel again makes me so happy.
@felidawn Жыл бұрын
This came just in time- I was googling how to tell them apart days ago. I am an older collector just barely coming back in. Back when I was active, fakes were egregiously obvious (didn’t even have bobble heads- do you guys remember those?) and only when I was losing interest were convincing fakes finally getting to the market. So I’m very curious if any fakes managed to make it to my collection (especially my Egyptian cat who was my favorite) sadly I can’t check because they’re stored back at my parents house. Next time I head back I can’t wait to see how many fakes I have! Thanks for this guide!
@mezzopiano2228 ай бұрын
I always notice when their heads are slightly tilted whereas most auth LPS’s head will sit straight, most fakes in this video have slightly wonky or leaning heads.
@addyson.l1156 Жыл бұрын
This actually helped a lot, and I found out I have a few fake, thanks!!
@momolps Жыл бұрын
I just rejoined the community after a 6 year hiatus and fake LPS have gotten A LOT better since then
@geethenerd Жыл бұрын
Oh! I have 252!! Whenever one of mine pops up I always get excited
@zaradrawing5580 Жыл бұрын
Tysm! Now I know that the one I wanted the most and that I bought some time ago is fake. I wonder how many more LPS from my collection are fake.
@littlesttoybox Жыл бұрын
Ahh thank you so much for posting this cc! I was just about to buy some lps but I was not sure if they where fake or not, so thank you this will help me so much!💖
@padisleiero Жыл бұрын
ive been collecting for a while and i’ve gotten to be able to spot fakes, but i never knew how i could tell, so this is really helpful for helping others. people are always asking about fakes and my answer is always “uh i can just tell” lol
@green_tea1238 Жыл бұрын
Cecelia I’m glad your back posting,also thank you because I almost bought a fake LPS off of eBay
@borkoslpsrestoration8934 Жыл бұрын
7:26 I also want to add that these could be date numbers like with mlp.
@WeirdDoodlesOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын
CC YOU MADE ME CONSIDDER NOT QUITTING TYSMMMM
@RosyQian Жыл бұрын
I don’t mind buying fakes, but this video was really helpful!
@aestheticwithhoney9425 Жыл бұрын
I sold all my lps and now just started getting them back this helps me sm! ❤
@ToxicKittiSP Жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this! I just received a lps package and this came up on my page! Thank you, now I know that a lot of them are real !
@lpscutetm Жыл бұрын
For me the most effective way is checking the neck ring!
@EEEEEEE36364 Жыл бұрын
Dude, you have no idea how helpful this guide is! I have two LPS toys I’m very suspicious about because I bought them when I was younger and had no idea how to be careful while buying online. I specifically got the purple Cocker Spaniel and a pink and white shorthair cat with a glittery flower thing placed on its eye. I found out the Cocker spaniel is actually real and that the cat is most likely fake lol. Thank you!! :D
@EEEEEEE36364 Жыл бұрын
Update: soooo the cocker spaniel was fake…I used both as custom bases and it ended up pretty well! Lesson learned: gotta check if they’re real or fake next time :P
@kreshashields7603 Жыл бұрын
I’m late- but! I’m getting back into the LPS community so this is very helpful! So thank so much!🥹🫶
@Shiba-Verse Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if you mentioned this, but the eyes can sometimes be a completely different color on fakes
@gleedham Жыл бұрын
I am the viewer that olny watch you opening mail and pet shops and injoy watching you talk about collecting.
@sukitty-candy.melodyyy Жыл бұрын
Honestly, CC's videos never get boring
@phantomlps Жыл бұрын
Babe wake up new ccrtelevision video dropped
@welcometofardio Жыл бұрын
My go to for spotting fake LPS is if they have the extra plastic around their neck (and have the small little lines in them), if their eyes are shiny (if theyre gen 2 or up) and if the paint isn't perfect because fake ones are like perfect like made in a factory while real ones kinda color outside of the lines a little (oh yeah and their texture is very plastic and scratchy like instead of toy like) (oh yeah chipped noses and them looking like they're used is a good sign of authenticity since fake lps are newly made) (Also sometimes some fake LPS will come with red magnets but the fake ones are more pink and the real ones are more red) Note: one time I got a fake LPS that didn't even have a copyright 😭 I've never seen that before tbh
@Gwendolyn.014 Жыл бұрын
tysm for this video! sadly now i realised i just ordered a fake lps (which was gonna be my mascot ) but i also just bid a lot of money on a different pet,now i feel better because i know its authentic! thank you
@mayomayu1242 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sad that I sold my old LPS
@PrincessToyNerd Жыл бұрын
As an adult who collects LPS toys, this is a very good guide. Thanks.
@rileycappella5582 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, litterly thanks I was watching this and taking a good look at my collection and found 6 fakes and yeeted them across the floor. But seriously this was a big help ty!!!!
@bravebravery Жыл бұрын
Oh gosh, imagine faker companies seeing this video and taking notes... XD But SERIOUSLY, you're awesome for making this! I can spot the obvious but i still get paranoid LOL so the smaller details will REALLY help :)
@remoches006 Жыл бұрын
finally!! I've missed you. and the new intro is awesome:)
@elinkittycat Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this Carter! Also I got into the video 👀
@Kaylee_Creates6 ай бұрын
As much as I would want a real one, I’m glad there are fakes so I can just buy the one want with out worrying about outrageous prices for 2 inch toys. And unlike mlp they look so real too so I can just enjoy them either way! The video definitely is beneficial though so you won’t get scammed when buying from someone and knowing if you have a authentic one (so you won’t do any customs or ruin it lol)
@FN4F.F4N.6 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much CC this will definitely help me with online lps shopping 😄
@Blazeylikesf1 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping if you could cover smaller pets like kittens pups hampters and stuff
@B00MER_788 Жыл бұрын
YayayyayayayyYa cc hi I sent fanmaillll can’t wait for fan mail Friday I think I will love my note!!!!!!!!!! I’ve been in the community for 3 years can’t wait for Friday!
@lpsgacha Жыл бұрын
do i already know how to tell the difference? yes did i still click this video and watch it? yes again
@Ki__20 Жыл бұрын
I’m currently looking for lps 960 authentic in perfect conditions because it’s one of my most favourite pets I’ve notice that the muzzle is more defined on authentic cocker spaniels u can see this at 11:45 in the vid from the front view the bottom part of the muzzle also looks more like a triangle with rounded corners while the fake has a shorter triangular muzzle the real’s muzzle is also molded higher up than compared to the fakes
@AnniChu Жыл бұрын
Thank you SO MUCH for this video!! I often buy LPS from thrift stores and I always authenticate them before I sell. I would keep them but I unfortunately don’t have room, so I sell extras :)
@bananawolfpower Жыл бұрын
theres also a BUNNCHHH of NON top 5 fake pets!!!!! the hardest one to tell imo is the timber wolf lps #2141 and a few foxes as well they arent as common but still out there theres also NO real authentic lps on amazon do not use amazon please when looking for authentic pets 🐬
@Finley_lps Жыл бұрын
Thank you!! I just always bought lps from your eBay. Now I can get lps anywhere!! (I still love your listings)
@pingpongya795 Жыл бұрын
I'd love it if you could finish First Comes Love.. I really loved that series :)
@thea15025 ай бұрын
Thank you for this lps guide!!! ❤
@Autumncat_LPS Жыл бұрын
I actually love these type of videos!! (Like the prototype one, it was super interesting!) This video is super informative 🧡 and since I just started collecting G2s recently, after collecting new gen LPS for so long, I’ll definitely be using these tips. 🧡🧡
@TheThunderRabbit Жыл бұрын
I've bought 6 stuff from your store!
@bewilderedberner Жыл бұрын
I recently found a listing of #391 which had a starting bid of £5. Nobody had bidded on it, and as I only had £10 I bid £6 plus postage and safe to say I’ve found quite the deal 😂 I’m around 95% sure that it’s real from the pictures provided, and if I’m right, I’ll definitely feel lucky, but if it’s fake I won’t be too bothered as it’s not like I paid much.
@sagepetshop Жыл бұрын
was it real?
@sagearoni10 ай бұрын
i just bought the same pet from Mercari and I thought it was real but I did not know that they do the magnet thing 21:39 and change it to a red magnet. I think she’s supposed to have a gray one…. i’m so confused because at the bottom it has hasbro written??
@sagepetshop10 ай бұрын
@@sagearoni Yeah most fakes have "Hasbro" written on their bodies, it's not a way to tell whether the pet is fake or not unfortunately 🥲
@eleanorwelch821 Жыл бұрын
I love lps❤❤❤ I just started collecting😅😊 and you are my favorite lpstuber ❤❤❤
@TheThunderRabbit Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! This is gonna help so much CC! (I'm a new collector)
@girlwithnojobbbbbbbbb Жыл бұрын
This is so helpful! Luckily from this video I found some fake pets from my collection thank you:D
@iadorelps9 Жыл бұрын
28:37 THERE I AM GARY, THERE I AM!
@amelianeifer98018 ай бұрын
i'm trying to recollect my childhood collection because my mom made me get rid of it now i'm looking through all the pets and most of them are super expensive 😣
@MuddyLPS Жыл бұрын
I saw my comment in the intro lol! Thanks for making this video, it was very helpful!
@pipandlou Жыл бұрын
I just ordered the cutest (albeit fake - thanks for making that clear!) on ebay 🥰
@ciudadlostkittie6786 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the video! Today I'm going to a place where they sell lps, now I know how to identify the fake ones and the real ones 😄
@LuciPlayz19 Жыл бұрын
What place is it?
@JovisHolm Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about what you got for Christmas please?
@karriecastro9165 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I have some fake pets and I don't care if they're fake they're so cute either way to me any LPS fake or real are special in their own way, also Hi I haven't seen your channel in a while and NOW I'M SO HAPPY I FOUND IT AGAIN AHHHHHHH!
@ayane_06 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! This is very helpful, and I'll definitely use these tips and tricks as a new collector!
@EstherPlays12 Жыл бұрын
ty for the useful video ! i been having a hard time seeing if my lps is real, or not
@TessesKingdom Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these tips
@Imissmy_dogs Жыл бұрын
Happy late new years cc
@user-vf4hg2ev8e8 ай бұрын
the indentation tip was really helpful, i find it easier than the eye tip just cause i feel like some pets eyes arent as glossy as others. I just started getting back into lps so this guide is really helpful ^^ edit: as I watched the video the eye tip was easier to understand and I was able to point out the real one easily, so thank you so much! I used this tip to go through a recent bundle i bought and thank fully they were all genuine from what I could tell. Although some of my pets eyes arent as glossy as others (like the paint seems to be blurred either to age and/or rough paint job) so that made it difficult hahaha
@ardoniedaurano2036 Жыл бұрын
I don't know much about LPS. Everytime I try to guess which one is fake, I pick the legit one!! Man... Fakes being that well made is alarming...
@SwitchOSC Жыл бұрын
hey cc i need your help my brook from lps popular has caveing at the neck but i got her at the flea market in a big lot of lps for $30 and she came with the 2 horses she comes with originally and idk if shes fake bc she has the head shape as the real one can you ples help me?
@kaelalps Жыл бұрын
Thank you SO much cc!!!!
@cesartrevino2513 Жыл бұрын
UR one of my fave youtubers! I want to start a channel one day about gaming, breyer horses, lps and other cool stuff!
@StriderStarfall Жыл бұрын
I have a fake great dane I got when I was like, 12-13, came with his head detached but my mom was like "the mold is the same it's authentic." It's pretty bad, I'm gonna glue the peg back into the head soon so I can customize it.
@ivaleen_ Жыл бұрын
CC's Back!!
@lpsmanglecrybaby4ever793 Жыл бұрын
I have a dachshund from the mommy and baby set and she has a white peg and she's authentic
@SafiraCoyfolf Жыл бұрын
Another thing to look out for in regards to great danes, is their nose. 9 outta 10 times their nose is either taller or shorter than it should be
@CarpenterandSwiftie11 ай бұрын
For lps 339 that you showed, I've seen some authentic ones without the neck ridge jetting out and instead there's indents in the neck. Even Brooke in LPS popular has that so yeah.
@stoopyrosekrewfan Жыл бұрын
Thanks!i just got lps packages so I’ll check them thank you! And I’m not new I just returned to the community!
@abanana Жыл бұрын
i rlly needed this video, looking on ebay for lps and are suspicious at almost every result lmao
@michellmcgraw65204 ай бұрын
For my fake LPS I usually just paint them :/ though I do have this rooster one that I cannot tell if it's fake but it looks super cute
@Blinkminilalisa_ Жыл бұрын
thanks!!!, Ya! I love your shop is SO CUTE :3
@Showbizpizzafanyt Жыл бұрын
I unfortunately got a pack of LP's not knowing what I've welcomed to my house after that boom no more lps
@allyplayz5072 Жыл бұрын
Yay you’re back
@ErinTheTherianАй бұрын
as a fake lps collector, i see this as an absolute win.