The Unexpected Truth Behind Pronation! | Arm Wrestling Training

[@CarsonsCat]

My pronation was strong enough but now I know why it sucked , because my hammer was weak . Thanks Rino , was giving up on top-roll.

[@Jonathan-zv5rm]

I was looking forward to a video on pronation! While I was waiting, I was wondering what you were going to talk about and I came to the same conclusion. I realized that the way most people train pronation is from a supinated to pronated positon-basically dynamically-and that is not how an armwrestling match happens most of the time. A common example is a toproller against a hook puller: when the toproller gets their pronation taken, the match is usually already over or the match turns into a hook battle. Things like where John will dynamically pronate through the cup using the can opener technique is not common and is a special case. Most of the time the toproller will win by keeping their pronation throughout the entire match and by peeling open the opponents finger and wrist through their backpressure/hammer curl strength. I was trying to prove this hypothesis or at least try to observe some professional arm wrestlers who might think similarly, and I came across Irakli and Levan. Not the best examples I guess because they are probably top tier not only because of training but genetics. But still, something I noticed through trying to watch their training is they almost never have any dynamic pronation involved. Their pronation came from static backpressure lifts where the towel or strap was through their pronation in the palm. Otherwise most of their training is biceps, backpressure/hammer, and wrist flexion. Anyways, I’m glad you made this video so I could feel more confident in my thoughts. I will still train my rising and pronation dynamically, but only with lightweights and for recovery. I’m going to try implementing static pronation training and see where it takes me. Great video

[@rinomasic7274]

I'm very glad to hear that you agree and that you like my video😊

[@Juneof1944]

I train dynamically and statically. I'll start with a weight I can dynamically rep 12 times, from supination, and increase the weight until i can no longer do that. that weight is the start of my fully pronated statics, and i continue to increase the weight till my 1 rep max. the whole process is around 6 - 8 sets.

[@madpred327]

smart, young, big, good looking, speaks english. Bro ur future is bright

[@thanostitan.infinity]

You really are the future my dude!! Also, very natural and good on camera.

[@the9th96]

Just the video I was looking for! I'm literally sitting here training my pronation dynamically and something felt off to me through my own intuition alone. Your video helped me decide that from now on 90% of my pronation training will be static. You're my new favourite Armwrestler and content creator! Keep up the great work and the climb to elite status brother.

[@rinomasic7274]

Thank you! 😁 I'm glad to hear that :D

[@rileyneufeld7001]

Mindaugas tarasitis has a video about this as well! A toproll is much more about backpressure than pronation or cup.

[@i_mch]

Hello I know it's been a year but can you please share the link to the video?😂

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[@adrianyeager6463]

Can you make a video about your riser? I would like a detailed video like this one about when to engage your riser and went to dump it depending on your style and your opponents style

[@JoseA1998]

Thanks brother, i searched for a long time for videos like that 🙌💪🏼

[@XTheMuscleX]

Would be great to see how to program these lifts. Daily? Three days per week? Etc.

[@ag135i]

What is the other method where we drag the elbow behind on the pad to apply back pressure?, is this technique you showed more effective or the former one?, thanks.

[@glenmccallum7051]

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[@thedrew24]

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[@chrismcneal570]

Great info, I love your videos. Very helpful for me

[@josipcrnkovic3296]

Savršeno objašnjeno 🤝🦾🦾👍

[@strongheadn1754]

Odlicno objašnjavanje, super video 💪🏼

[@BAKURA09]

Rino what about when referee sets ur riser low? that's why riser needs to be trained dynamically too

[@OleSevers]

They have a pronation handle on Amazon that is AMAZING!!

[@dresaili-jacobson531]

Hi rino, could you do a video on feet positioning for different techniques/styles and a video on different grip setups for different styles? cheers

[@giacomozanetti2077]

I can tell you this is very accurate!!But try to do the same thing but put something between the tiny belt wrapped in the thumb and the thumb itself,in that Way you will have more leverage and you will train statically your pronation in the starting position.If the distance between the belt and the torso of the hand get bigger it becomes more rotational force than hammer ones.Not my idea but Mr.terzi’s one.i stole it and applicate to yours.Amazing video anyway!!

[@rinomasic7274]

Thank you! And that is a great idea! 💡 😀

[@horsiemetaldetecting5975]

Static training is great but in order to have the strongest static possible one ofc needs to develop the muscles involved maximally. And thats only gonna happen with lots of dynamic work

[@rinomasic7274]

Dynamic work is grate for recovery and development of the muscle but to build up the strength that you need the most in a match you need to train it statically 😊

[@krisztianmezei888]

@@rinomasic7274 nope...Voevoda trained in both way to order to be able attack by dynamic development and defense by static....also this cables and ropes not mimics vell the human arms in opposite...because they attack your wrist or hand just on one point without change the angle of force....basically just just a vector training.....dumbells better for hook or pronation also for back pressure....this is why Levan have iron wrist......try to pronate and curl a 50 kg dumbell as you sitting on a bench and your elbow fixed to your abdominal....that will force you also to use backpressure.....or use 2 green 70 kg ressistance band for it.....this one move will mimic better the armwrestling than any other...and develop better wrist raise and pronation if you start with palm facing you in start and facing away from you at finish.......or palm vertical , hammer at start......just center position....

[@slipknotkil]

@@krisztianmezei888 you think you know more than a 18yo world champion phenom? i agree about the facts that you said but armwrestling NEEDS static movements.

[@IgorKalember]

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[@davorfacic3869]

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[@MrRunescapy]

Very nice video quality and speech!

[@tsou7559]

I really like this way of training pronation, thank you. A couple of questions , do you always keep your wrist neutral or slightly flexed? Is it useful to do it with a kickback? There's a reason why doing it in a posting style and not dragging?

[@justaguyfromreddit]

I think that as strange as it sounds, pronation is way more important for hook / Defensive technique, and way less for offensive toproll

[@kinggriffith386]

Important for everything except maybe the flop press.

[@derbycityarmwrestling7300]

In a hook what seems like pronation seems to come from the inverse of rising which would be that wrist dumping strength.

[@aparnachauhan4540]

​@@kinggriffith386pronation is damn imp for flop .. Supinated flop is almost impossible to pull kff

[@aparnachauhan4540]

​​@@derbycityarmwrestling7300 really? How can i train that?

[@derbycityarmwrestling7300]

@@aparnachauhan4540 One way is Devon's low cup multispinner lift. The key is to think about clamping your pinky and ring finger and raising the back of your hand into the pink and ring finger of your opponent. You can also take a sledge hammer and levitate it off of your shoulder with it oriented where it's hitting your bottom two fingers and wrist dumping ability.

[@farouky2137]

this is gold, i will beat all my gym friend lmao, + 1 subscriber man, i go watch all ir others tips vidéos, keep going ✅💪🏅

[@rinomasic7274]

Thank you 😊

[@maxslimshady]

Amazing Rino 💪🏻💪🏻like always

[@gokdenizkuvel5696]

Makes soo much sense.

[@justaguyfromreddit]

The thing that baffle me the most if how good your English is 🤣

[@TheLegendaryBalkan]

Good stuff

[@bigwladi90]

Another good video 💪

[@AgentOfLogos]

Hello Rino, how do you schedule this lift into your training? Do you ever practice? How do you practice and mix that in with your training as well?

[@tonyarmwrestle185]

hammer curl thro pronation is top

[@enricozenatelli7650]

Agree but in my opinion only for this style of toproll. If you perform a toproll with more side pressure, like John does, your pronation Is crucial to open the opponent hand. And you Will Need others type of exercise. What do you think?

[@rinomasic7274]

Yes, but that doesn't change the way you should be training it, on its own pronation can't do anything, it requires the help of your hammer to open the hand, wrist and fingers of your opponent 😊

[@hrushikesh2400]

Amazing bro ❤️❤️

[@Thebodfitness]

Guess Devon really was on to something this whole time with his static pronation lift lol

[@angryencyclopediaenginamol4571]

I saw some of your hand n wrist training videos..is that all u do?or there's still lot of variety you're doing?and is the training volume the same for bigger muscles such as hammer curl biceps curl and smaller muscles like fingers and wrist?

[@rinomasic7274]

I do a few more exercises mainly for the strength of my wrist, so I do it with big weights and low reps 😁 and yes the way you train big and small muscles says the same

[@3enjamin]

How about pronation for hook pulling? In your video you demonstrate for toproll movement...

[@rinomasic7274]

Doing pronation like this will help in any move or technique 😊

[@Rahul-us9nk]

Love u my bro ❤️

[@ГригорийДемченко-ш5х]

You are wright that isolated pronation we can use only for stabilize our wrist and not for opening opponent's hand. Personaly, I do pronation move when training only in isolated way. I pronate only my wrist and do not use other parts of my hand to help. Without strong brachioradialis muscle pronator doesn't work.

[@R4EL]

So what's your opinion on Devons promation lifts and pronation curls?

[@ArmwrestlingShowcase]

Question for you in the starting point in a match. If your opponent is able to easily cup you does that mean that their is stronger than my pronation? Before I can pull back and use engage my back pressure they put me on my palm. What is the best training to prevent that?

[@rinomasic7274]

Good question. It doesn't mean that their cup is stronger than your pronation, thay can just be faster at the start of the match than you. To counter that you need to have a stronger hammer, the hammer is the key to opening and countering the cup of your opponent 😄

[@cenixandroid]

can you also do this by putting your hand just out of the table whith your forearm resting on the table and hanging the weight around thumb for pronation and over fingers for rising. So only your hand is loaded. Not your forearm. It's very isolated but with no movement. Or is this with loop around you the best way?

[@rinomasic7274]

I think that it is better with the loop around you. If I understand correctly, you are saying that we can put our forearm on the side of the table so it is more isolated (correct me if I'm wrong). I think that might be more painful than doing it with another loop around you. Doing it like this also simulates a bit of the movement that you would have with your body while arm wrestling 🙂

[@marcantich869]

Absolutly agree

[@R4EL]

What is hammer strength? And how do I train it I have a judo belt and some weights

[@rinomasic7274]

Hammer strength is your back pressure strength 😅

[@R4EL]

@@rinomasic7274 ah I see thanks bro

[@jumbosek1765]

Man one question. I have the same mazurenko arm wrestling table. Where did you buy the extract with the rope which you can screw to the table and train back pressure like on video?

[@producermind9030]

Awesome

[@richardcudmore9318]

I like it. 👍

[@abedrahmanhalabi931]

Best content

[@nghiale-qx8nu]

Hello, on this ex you will go as heavy as you can right? Or any static hold

[@lm1186]

Wow no wonder im bad with offensive toproll despite capable of doing a good clean 27kg pronation for 10-12 reps😭😂

[@bilalakhtar3493]

How much day workout in week? How much rest after workout to recover?

[@rinomasic7274]

I train every day of the week and I rest until the next workout which would be the next day at the same time. Its important to be consistent! 😊

[@traytonbuhler9217]

So is Travis Bagent training seminar stuff legitimate? Are you familiar with his setup a band around hand like strap and walk backwards technique?

[@rinomasic7274]

In my opinion you can not train for strength with bands. I don't remember the way he raps the strap around his hand but it is worth a try 😊

[@justheretoruinyourday9499]

4:40 should we use backpressure in this lift??

[@IgorKalember]

10/10

[@angryencyclopediaenginamol4571]

I have a question..my pinky and ring finger always got open up when i try to go into hook makes my hand vulnerable..is there a specific exercises to strengthen it?if you watched rustam's grip vs prudnik in top 8..thats how my grip looks like..but worst..i hope u can show me some solution

[@rinomasic7274]

That is a common problem people have but don't worry, if you look at my "Testing My Limits" video you will se a exercise called "Hook Cup" that is a great experience exactly for that 😊

[@angryencyclopediaenginamol4571]

@@rinomasic7274 oh i've watched that..ill give it a try..Thanks!

[@AW.Experiment]

Why use the second (larger) belt? Thanks

[@MrRunescapy]

Is this also true for pronation in a hook?

[@rinomasic7274]

I believe it is, yes 😊

[@adriansergiuszeibert7363]

But i dont understand,for what is the yellow belt?

[@Bartz147]

What is the difference to do this exercise with or without the yellow best in your back? I tried and with belt i lift more than 15 kg is it ok?

[@derbycityarmwrestling7300]

I believe the yellow belt around your back is meant to isolate the pronation statically, sparing you from having to post as hard backwards.

[@PaulItaliaArmwrestling]

Let’s get U on interview brother on my channel.. Would love to have u on 🤠🇮🇹🤙

[@rinomasic7274]

Sure 😁 dm me on Instagram or Facebook so we can work everything out :)

[@Mehenba]

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[@rinomasic7274]

Yes, I am natural 😊 I have good bearde genetics 🧔😅

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[@MP-bu6ux]

Sir speed training

[@ConeruZ]

This is why people with strong pronators but weak back pressure end up in kingsmove

[@Seasider70]

Is this your personal gym?

[@rinomasic7274]

Yes 😁

[@darkp00pie]

i dont understand, this is only training whatever muscles, back, glutes etc you need to move your entire body back? youre taking way from any rising/hammer or whatever because you just pull your arm along with your back movement? this seems backwards

[@frchavez22]

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[@HateLoveHP]

This is gold! Thank you so much bro