The Unification Wars & The Emperor of Mankind's New Groove | Origins of Warhammer 40k | Part 1

[@profsrlojohn635]

Chaos worshipping nations: *Exists* Thunder Warriors: "I'm sorry sir, you've thrown off the Emperor's groove"

[@ShahbazBokhari]

I still come back to re-read this comment.

[@Xenos_hive]

+

[@dadevesely7236]

SORRY

[@ShotGunner5609]

Sorrrrreyyyyyyy

[@blakebridges8989]

You were singing?

[@xanderlee51]

Oh, right, the Heresy. The Horus Heresy. The Heresy performed by Horus... That Heresy?

[@jbark678]

Yes that Heresy!

[@niccolodebernardi8532]

Big E: pull the lever Malcador Malcador: by accidents ejects all the primarch gestating pods in the void Big E: Wrong lever

[@camramaster]

@@niccolodebernardi8532 That made me laugh so hard I need a new keyboard. Damn tea.

[@krunchie101]

@@jbark678lp

[@brok56]

@@niccolodebernardi8532 this is canon

[@brysonevans7367]

Eldar: Humans are xenophobic, brutal, and evil. Humans: You destroyed existence.

[@ShahbazBokhari]

I really find xenos smugness amusing considering... the literal tears in reality.

[@ecyor0]

@@ShahbazBokhari Emperor sipping a mug of warp energy labelled "Eldar Tears"

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

I mean... they are right though.

[@Aniyah-CHG]

Humans: And you're not xenophobic, brutal and evil?

[@dyer4677]

Ya I'm sorry us humans didn't make.... "a literal chaos god". Our bad.

[@Eleven217]

Thunder Warriors: We did it, we won the unification wars The Emperor: *_good, that's one less loose end....._*

[@williamgray7942]

Everytime, that still hurts.

[@neppy7221]

Ugh.... Emperor please...

[@liamodahl1205]

Pain.

[@jcmahrt5100]

The Emperor of Mankind: "Magnus, pull the lever." Magnus pulls lever unleashing a bunch of daemons into the webway project. Emps: "Wrong leveeeerrrrrr!"

[@sanguiniusse434]

The saddest part, the thunder warriors loved the emperor so much, and were so loyal, that the handful who survived the culling held no grudge.

[@mikecampos1193]

I think some of them even fought in the Horus heresy I don't know I think it was in one of the novels look it up.

[@Stavol2Dual]

Sad puppies

[@nemomoo]

Are we sure that isn't imperium propaganda?

[@BaranZenon]

@@nemomoo As they said - everything is canon, except Malal :)

[@legiohysterius4624]

@@BaranZenon i means identical "malice" aka not melal canon?

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

And this is how the Emperor clapped the galaxy's cheeks

[@justsomeamerican2301]

And now the universe claps back ...

[@futtynucker5278]

Another fan of Majorkill, I see. Hello brother!

[@adenkyramud5005]

Come with me my son, there are cheeks that need some clapping!

[@tooxxique]

*the primarchs get oinked by chaos* Malcador: Uh oh Big E: don't tell me, we're about to go over the galaxy and subjugate all fallen human colonies? Malcador: Yup... Big E: Thousand years of battle in order to find my long lost sons? Malcador: Most likely... Big E: Bring. it. on.

[@theweebthatyouknow2269]

Underrated comment

[@uria3679]

Yes Yes Yes Yes YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@bladestormviking]

then he does it in 300yrs, +/- a decade

[@TheDandyMann]

Holy shit an emperor's new groove reference *I Love It*

[@scottbruckner4653]

...[Imagines Big E as Kuzco] Makes sense. Makes too much sense.

[@TheZedman5000]

Didn't even bring up that the Emperor's real name is Jimmy Space, and that's why they're called Space Marines

[@socalkylex]

Story checks out

[@Trynt33]

@@socalkylex Known by the alias "Neutron" during M2, he prototyped numerous inventions that'd later attract the attention of a nearby hostile xenos empire, along with early incursions of chaos. Mankind knew what was to come

[@nudistofdespair]

The funny thing about the Apex of Humanity during the Dark Age was that their weapons were so utterly annihilating, that Orks DIDNT WANT TO FIGHT THEM. They would just get instantly wiped out. Always found that really funny.

[@juliuspoensgen4369]

Well, there is no fun in fighting someone that can wipe all your forces before you get a chance to unload some dakka

[@AAhmou]

The Humans and Eldar kept Orks under control. They'd just sprout and stay the crap away from both of the big boys.

[@florianglinka8575]

Maybe the empire was only so strong because the orks now think that they were

[@michaelnguyen9221]

@@florianglinka8575 The Ork’s Psychic force doesn't impact non-orks.

[@reapershadow2966]

@@michaelnguyen9221 yes they do -_-"

[@homelessstone7674]

As a Custodes player, I have no idea what you mean by E-Money being a bad Dad, He Treats us Custodes just fine.

[@laurenbastin8849]

he literally made you his janitors

[@11Survivor]

@@laurenbastin8849 what your parents don't give you chores?

[@Drew_Thompson]

@@11Survivor wipe his diapey janny.

[@11Survivor]

@@Drew_Thompson No u

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Your walking robots. I dont think that's even consider Bad parents

[@adblock4life166]

fails to mention the NON AGGRESSION PACT WITH THE ORCS AND ELDAR!!!!! thats how strong humanity was in the golden age.

[@jeambeam3173]

I was actually curious about Dark Age of Tech man and there political stance with the Eldar i never heard any youtuber talk about it other then yeah they both existed at the same time

[@Fourtytwo4242]

@@jeambeam3173 Most part Eldar fucking stayed away from humanity, Humanity was so powerful that there was just no way the Eldar would be able to fight with us. So to limit the chance of instant death they mostly left us alone, another fun fact is Eldar actually search for human technology, because it just that good. Also side note there was some AI who fought for humanity, they did not approve of the whole genocide meat people. Think of it like the Geth and how one was peaceful hippies and the other was insane murder bots, sadly almost all the AI that tried to stop the insanity was wiped out. Edit: Note: AI that fought men of Iron almost all died out real fast, it was not even truly a battle. Has such we barley have any lore on it besides "men of iron fought men of stone".

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

They signed a non-WHAT Pact with the orks?

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@Ballin4Vengeance Apparently, the humanity of the Dark Ages of Technology had nanites so powerful they could wipe out Orks without a fight. So the Orks didn't want to fight against an ennemy that could kill them wuthout offering a good fight ^^

[@aquila4460]

@@Fourtytwo4242 They very much where not powerful enough to destroy the Eldar Empire at its fall. The Eldar simply did not care for galactic domination because doing drugs and having orgies was more fun. DAOT stuff is fearsome, but Eldar have better stuff then the Imperium by a long shot, and they lost far more. The Craftworlds where civilian political dissidents who essentially fled on civilian trade ships and can't use most of their psychic powers because now Slaneesh is going to eat their souls if they do. Exodites are Amish people. And the Dark Eldar can't use half their previous technology because they are no longer psychic and they still have stuff like black holes as pranks.

[@Epsi743]

To give an example of how strong humans were in the golden age of technology: terminator space marine armor (which is the strongest and some of the most advanced the imperial has) used to be used for manual labor like logging and mining.

[@Femonk100]

Hot damn. Although it sort of reminds me of workers turning farming or mining equipment like scythes or pick axes or hatchets into weapons.

[@Epsi743]

@@Femonk100 I believe they did the exact same thing with imperial knights. I am not 100% certain with them though.

[@johnnyscifi]

By mining, its mining...asteroids, irradiated. Thats why they teleport...

[@ShahbazBokhari]

Working in and around void ship level reactors too haha, aye the golden/dark age of tech must’ve been something wild.

[@ShahbazBokhari]

@@Epsi743 nope you’re correct they were STC constructs brought with the original colonists to aid in dismantling the colony ships and were relatively simple to adapt.

[@ShowMeHow0]

*polishes toaster vigourously in anticipation for the Mechanicus episode*

[@thesweetbusinessfanclub7072]

Can not wait, also really hope they go in depth into titans at one point.

[@logangagnepain7154]

Holy shit, they better. I didnt spend 600$ on mechanicus models for nothing!

[@jellyfisharedumb9783]

@@logangagnepain7154 $600!? Those are rookie numbers! Gotta pump them up!

[@bladestormviking]

@@logangagnepain7154 but that's only 750pts.....

[@logangagnepain7154]

@@bladestormviking Thanks to ebay, I'm at 1000pts Dunecrawlers, stratoraptor, 4 squads of skitarii Bunch of other stuff, but I'm not going to write out my entire list unless someone wants it

[@mokeymokey1035]

46:04 Magnus: “I RIPPED OUT ONE OF HIS HEARTS, WHY DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THAT?!?”

[@speedwagon5314]

@@akumaking1 VULKAN LIVES!

[@frankficcle7081]

@@speedwagon5314 STOMP STOMP

[@khylerbane4523]

Whenever someone asks about the Unification Wars I just tell them, quote…“Imagine if Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, and Napoleon combined, now imagine they went unopposed, and it all took place in Mad Max and you basically have the general idea.”

[@MrHellsing76]

Big E: I can't wait to make an alliance with the Eldar when I finish the unification wars! Eldar summon Slaanesh. Big E: Valdor, get the bonking sticks, THE HEAVY BONKING STICKS.

[@godzilla-sw6gn]

The slaaness birth was before the dark night and the unification wars,

[@duplicitouscanadian3073]

​@@godzilla-sw6gnPoint stands. Get the bonking sticks.

[@ahighendweeb8801]

As a fellow newcomer to the warhammer universe I can relate to DK and feel like I'm getting more invested as its like I'm sharing in the same journey alongside him so this helps a lot. Keep doin what ur doin

[@jakejutras5420]

@@wandiriswan6116 that isn't helpful Wandi :p, what he means is watch the "If the Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device" series here on KZbin. It is extremely fun while also being informative. I would say a lot of it will go over your head unless you have a taste for the lore already. Highly recommended my man! :)

[@leroux9999]

And yet there is many details they left out to keep it short ! Imagine that ! Can't wait to hear them talk about the night lords !

[@HollowDubz]

To be honest these guys are kinda the brief overview with some acceptable mistakes but great chemistry. If you are looking for more detailed lore look up luetin09 or Arch Warhammer. Tbh archs video series on the siege of vraks is one of my favorites.

[@S_047]

Its been 3 years since this comment has been posted . Hows the journey going fren?

[@iancollins9960]

Story of the Thunder Warriors: "The keys to taking power are not the same as the keys to keep power" - Some smarter than me man at some point in some time

[@bonogiamboni4830]

It was CGP Grey in his video about dictators.

[@iancollins9960]

@@bonogiamboni4830 Ye thank you!

[@bonogiamboni4830]

@@iancollins9960 no problem.

[@Awesomotron2k]

You forgot to mention that the Emperor was a supremely powerful psyker, like the greatest psyker to ever live. Hence he was aware of Chaos and the Chaos Gods and the general state of the galaxy.

[@k0bra3eak40]

Specifically he was the reincarnation of multiple extremely powerful psykers into one being

[@sirpieman300]

@@k0bra3eak40 that's one of the theories about his origins, as state in the video no one know 100% for sure

[@iseranon687]

I thought that was old lore

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

I think that's old lore, not that it does not make sense, but probably because it leaves the massive plot hole of "if it just takes a few thousand spykers to make one big E, how about just... doing it again? Obviously there ARE reasons, mainly that such a warp conglomeration of psy entities would probably get imediatly disrupted and eaten by chaos gods

[@konstantinoskalavrezos5273]

That's a given but I agree he should have mentioned it

[@stargazer1041]

I'm just gonna be the "umm... actually" for this one, the Golden Age of Technology/Dark Age of Technology lasted between M15 and M25, however the Cybernetic Revolts with the Men of Iron only lasted for the last few millennia, it should also be said that the Navigators were rumored to be the Emperor nudging humanity forward from the shadows, creating the navigator gene. The reason it is called the Dark Age of Technology is because not much information about it is left in modern 40k, same as our own Dark Ages, it is not because life sucked, DAoT humanity is our current view of a Utopia. The Men of Iron also were said to come close to bringing humanity to extinction, the Cybernetic Revolt is the second biggest single war in the setting, after the War in Heaven. I'm guessing you'll talk more about STCs in your Mechanicum episode, so I wont nickpick about that. I would have liked for you to mention Mount Ararat when you were addressing the culling of the Thunder Warriors. great video as always, can't wait for the next one!

[@Willehable]

Yeah there are quite a few of those moments in this video in particular. Like the Mechanicus actually being the Mechanicum at this point, which is not just a difference in spelling but cements that they were outside the imperial organisation, which is more clear when they're incorporated into the empire after the heresy as the *adeptus* mechanicus, like the other adeptus-named departments. How they view they also worship the emperor, they see him as an avatar of the Omnissiah, whch is why they even agree to cooperate in the first place. In the end, none of these things are really important for newcomers to the lore, which is who these podcasts are aimed towards.

[@Rawnblade13]

I always got the impression it was also called the Dark Age of Technology because to the ignorant eyes of the Imperium, it was a shitty time. They seem to regard the age as a time when humanity was godless and misused technology.

[@Bayday2]

@@Rawnblade13 That's also how I perceive it; in French the Dark Age of Technology is called "Moyen-Âge technologique", i.e. literally "the Technological Middle Ages", not in a "technology was less advanced back then" way, but more like "that shit sucked, thank the Emperor it's over".

[@NicholasAdeptus]

I assume the Dark Age of Technology mirrors the actual Dark Ages of humanity. A time where there are very little records of humanity and very real setbacks to the progress made up until that point. The warp disturbances and the subsequent blight are likely a metaphor for the Long Winter and the Black Plague that followed wiping out a significant portion of humanity and setting the survivors back hundreds of years.

[@floridaball4896]

Actually during the time of the early imperium and age of strife it was called the Golden Age of Technology

[@quaint7343]

Man I like the emperor's phycology with his primarchs: Son I love you... but I got to do something and I just don't trust you enough to tell you

[@Keaghan9]

I mean you keep secrets from your dad,why can’t he keep secrets from you?

[@samlevy9897]

@@Keaghan9 Do the secrets you keep from your dad have the potential to level the entire neighborhood?

[@Keaghan9]

@@samlevy9897 I plead the fifth

[@samlevy9897]

@@Keaghan9 Answer the question, Emps

[@Archon3960]

Tbf, Magnus did the exact same with the Thousand Sons. Like father, like son. 😎

[@Awesomotron2k]

You really undersold the AI rebellions, the power of the weapons used were cataclysmic, planet erasing, all kinds of weird freaky hyper evolved warfare. A majority of humanity got wiped out by the Men Of Iron.

[@Archon3960]

Probably because we have screw all info about them. X)

[@hiimorin3802]

Saying that Emperor is a bad farther is like saying poop smells unpleasantly. But I love him anyway

[@EdoDave]

You'd better love him.

[@mikecampos1193]

Like saying the guy who made the Apple phone is smart guy but shitty dad.

[@V85Rex]

Lol love the "I'd have to go Leutin level" remark

[@709mash]

Bricky referring to the pog champ meme: "I hate that meme!" Well, have I got good news for you!

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

Listening to Bricky explain the Dark Age of Technology and the Cybernetic Revolt was actively painful. It’s a good reminder that some of these episodes are the blind leading the blind.

[@jessem1991]

FUCKING THIS

[@TheNeoDaedalus]

Bricky, there's one big deal about the Big E that you forgot to mention to dk. The fact that the Emperor was an extraordinarily powerful psycher and that he used his contact with the warp to attain the knowledge to even be able to create the primarchs and the Astartes. Also worth mentioning that the popular theory is that the chaos gods scattered the primarchs because they feared the Emperor becoming too powerful. Also that the Astartes legions are based on their primarchs, but I figure you'd explain that in the next one anyways. Other than that, a great podcast again!

[@Dimizar]

New vid! My oiled abs quiver anticipation!!

[@Torchwood5A]

"Mad Max but with crazy tech." So like Borderlands then?

[@MegamanZero410]

“The salamanders don’t” Yes... because red eyes and pitch black skin is not reptilian looking.

[@lelandmartin3970]

Yeah, and they aren't just black guys they have obsidian colored skin.

[@Green-lk5nt]

So... Black

[@Flyn88]

“The emperor, he’s good at everything” yeah except being a dad

[@Archon3960]

That, or planing for the Heresy or the Khraves and/or Rangdan Xenocides. X)

[@80Elminster]

The Dark Age of Technology wasn't defined by the Cybernetic Revolt. It ended with it. The Dark age was defined by the incredible leaps of technology and science by humanity. It was the ABSOLUTE height of humanity and only ended with the fall of our civilisation. Then came the age of Strife heralded by the Cybernetic Revolt. Oh shit I forgot! Actually... ;)

[@GhostDr3amer]

Humans created Men of Gold, which created Men of Silver, which created Men of Iron, each new iteration meant to serve the previous one. Men of Iron rebelled, killed Men of Silver, then Men of Gold, then moved on to killing the actual humans.

[@Mooted_]

As someone in a similar situation as DK, who knows bits and pieces, know people who are more into warhammer, fantasy or 40k, as well as picked up the Horus Heresy books from Humble Bundle, I am extremely excited to see where this project of yours goes. Big thanks to all of you for making this a thing, it is a joy to listen to.

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

You could say Horus before the fall... Was the Emperor's little pog champ

[@Archon3960]

Fulgrim? X)

[@jbark678]

WHAT'S HIS NAME!? Edit: I personally favor the shaman ritual theory, and it's not 7, it's ALL of them.

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

I thought it was 20

[@Archon3960]

*We don't know.* (I wouldn't be surprised if Big E. wiped out all the info.)

[@InquisitorKryptman]

Salamanders actually have the slowest reaction of all Astartes chapters, so there's your animal conection, also the world government was still going around M27-28 ish so Emps definitely took advantage of the situation, he ain't just sitting there twiddling his thumbs Also Vulkan isn't naturally black, due to the planet he landed on the sun turned his skin jett black, and just the general human populous which they recruit from. So all the Primarchs are caucasian, doesn't necessarily mean they're recruits will be though. Also you forgot to bring up 6yr old tall baby Primarch Corvus ripping off someone's head because he was whipping a kid, or Baby Konrad swimming through Nostromo's molten crust.

[@alexanderm8880]

I always thought that plot point about the sun was hilarious because it essentially means black face is the norm for at least 1/18 of the legions lol

[@sqocks8254]

Thanks for clarifying the skin part. ❤

[@flyingplatypus7272]

*looks at magnus* yep, all caucasian

[@woaddragon]

Jaghatai Khan if the white scars would like a word. Also does Vulkan has other noticable African freatures?

[@InquisitorKryptman]

@@woaddragon apart from his BBC I don't think so

[@lite4998]

Men of Gold were on the side of humanity and they were the ‘rulers’ of the AI. The Men of Iron were the working class of the AI and the ones who rose up.

[@adastial2104]

Don't forget the men of stone who helped humanity as well

[@tootyfruity70]

I've heard that one of the reasons that the men of iron turned on humanity was that they learned that organic life sustains chaos or will eventually fall to chaos. And determined that to prevent chaos fucking over the galaxy, that organic life had to be exitinguished.

[@Gr33nOfGrundleburg]

Imagine if the Terminus Decree actually reactivates the Men of Iron.

[@sirpieman300]

well then, we better fucking hope these ones are a little more willing to work with humans, not go killy killy all the flesh bags!

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@sirpieman300 No, that's the point. The Terminus Decree only occurs when Terra has fallen. Humanity is already dead, so fuck it. Reactivate the Men of Iron.

[@Ben-dr9kh]

I do like that theory

[@cryamistellimek9184]

@@sirpieman300 It’s not humanity would be dead, but humanity losing Terra and the astronomicon would be devastating, and the emperor’s Hail Mary is recalling the AI that were still loyal to the humanity. Remember some of them remained loyal and were “destroyed.” But if they were loyal, how do we know that Emp’s didn’t keep some close to his chest as a wild card?

[@samlevy9897]

@@cryamistellimek9184 Wouldn’t he have used them by now? Maybe during the heresy?

[@Hobbes09R]

So a few fun things of note on this one. -The Thunder Warriors were purposely imperfect, blunt instruments of raw combat with limited lifespans and often mental defects...but I wouldn't quite call them stupid. Astartes by comparison were made for both war and peace, to go to war as necessary then build civilization after. Thunder Warriors were just about war. And in that role they were far superior. -The culling, as it's been described, wasn't so much a hunt but one mass great betrayal. At the moment of victory, the Emperor, his Custodes, and the first of the Space Marines turned on them and wiped them out en masse on the victorious battlefield. Think of it almost like Order 66. -Regarding the primarchs, it's not entirely known how exactly the Emperor created them. We know he used his DNA as the base then added to it (so they are his sons, though how much he considers them as such, and them in return, is up for some debate). Some had non-human DNA added to them, though whether that be canine (as with Russ) or xenos isn't entirely clear. We do know there was likely something heretical involved, likely involving chaos. One theory is this is why they were scattered, because that was a deal he made with Chaos for the technology/ability to create them. Others think he promised the souls of half to chaos. Or it could be that whatever he did to them just made them shine like a beacon to chaos and that's how they attracted the attention of Chaos and were scattered.

[@TheLofren]

No, Not random dna, Erda dna, it changed recently, look it up.

[@lotuswraith]

Just to add in a bit of detail to the Navigators: the gene that allows them to open their third eyes and see the currents of the Warp is actually synthetic and not a natural mutation (though it may have been based on one). So the Navigators weren't an accident of fate or happenstance, they were a planned and executed innovation.

[@nicholasjonas2505]

to put it in perspective, ancient tech from the dark age of technology is called archeotech. a famous archeotech PISTOL used a planet's magnetosphere to create a death beam

[@vmaldia]

There is a theory that most powerful human ships actually have STC's and A.I. inside them. Its kinda like you build desktop computers then you just copy an old hard drive that you copy over. You then install and run DOS on the pc. But actually the hard drive contains the installers for windows 10 and lots of games hidden somewhere in some subfolder.

[@AliceLycoris]

You guys should watch Event Horizon, as a lot of people see that as a perfect example of mankind discovering warp travel.

[@johnnyscifi]

It was actually retconned recently that it was the mother of the Primarchs that warped them away. Erda. However, it was chaos that dispersed them, in the warp...

[@cuauhtemocsanchez8139]

I have heard, that the adeptus mechanicus "worship" the emperor because the emperor is the omnissiah. they saw him healing/repairing a machine by ordering the machine to fix itself and therefore he must be the omnissiah. so... is that wrong? or are there different beliefs in ad mech society?

[@Gamedesign0r]

Thats from the Horus Heresy Series Black Library book so I d say it s true, atleast for parts of the mechanicum.

[@Xenos_hive]

Essentially the emperor is the machine god’s physical representation it’s like how Christianity worships Jesus as an aspect of god, big E is just the physical incarnation and he repaired a suit of knight armor by simply touching it when he arrived on Mars fuffilling a prophecy

[@cuauhtemocsanchez8139]

@@Xenos_hive thank you. that comparison makes sense

[@Xenos_hive]

@@cuauhtemocsanchez8139 no problem and just like when jesus lived there was debate about whether he was actually divine or not just big E had warships and stuff so that's why dark mechanicum (martian traitors) exsist

[@ultramarinescaptain3840]

Incorrect, they worship hi. As the Omnissiah, which is basically Jesus, not the Machine God, they are different.

[@insertedgynamehere]

My theory on the origin of the emperor: He was a super weapon, created by the old ones. He somehow ended up dormant on earth, and his sheer power radiating out created humans and gave some of them psychic powers. These psykers eventually discovered his slumbering form, and sacrifced their power and souls to wake him up.

[@Brandon-ff1yo]

something that just fits to well for the emperor is that he is the zenith of human genetics, like what the old ones are to any former inferior version of themselves, or how there were very few psykers before age of strife and how the relatively commen accurence a (dangerous) progression for humanity.

[@dylanwatts1045]

I like this theory, it should get more attention

[@Roboardo]

Of course Shy is an Ork player Great episode as always!

[@jakejutras5420]

She showcases a few of her models on her channel! Great painting all around.

[@forgefartherloki6585]

Luetin level is now an official rating of lore

[@avigailpekelman8239]

Above it is arch level

[@AltoStratusX1]

Isn't the psyker suicide pack not 7 psykers but ALL the psykers in the world at that time? I thought that was as close to officially canon as GW gets.

[@adastial2104]

I remember It being 20 shamans who were fully aware of chaos and emps was their last bet to destroy chaos

[@floridaball4896]

It seemed to be most of them because of perpetuals

[@goose9582]

I really want brickster to talk about the last church

[@alexanderm8880]

"A religious person's caricature of an atheist and an atheist's caricature of a religious person had a slap fight that ended in a building burning and a body." I feel like that's about how Bricky would simplify it. 😂

[@varisugocsay1152]

@@alexanderm8880 It is the most accurate way I ever heard the sotry summarised XD I think it is absolutly too hyped, it is very low level arguments from both sides especielly sad that the Emperor are sound as a Fedora-Tipper-Buffoon in it the priest at least had a excuse for not beiing educated.

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

That deserves it's own episode, and now it'd be quite ironic considering how they reacted when perty did the same thing

[@tonnycalvins]

Would love a series starring big e and malcador during the unification wars

[@ShahbazBokhari]

Hahahahahaah as someone who has been in and around the hobby for almost 20 years, I’m genuinely enjoying this banter too much to get too annoyed about some of the inaccuracies and then I’m reminded of how lore vets like Luetin09 describe “canon”, I remember what matters most: Fun Bantz. 💪🏾

[@frogwithhumanteeth7535]

Big E saw humanity and said: That’s a bunch of Little Guys that need guidance

[@override367]

the ships in mass effect are actually super fast without the relays, they make ships in star trek look stationary, the games don't make it that clear outside of the codex

[@GaldirEonai]

The way Emps killed off the Thunder Warriors was a lot smarter than inviting them to dinner and stabbing them while they were drunk. He left the nastiest, most heavily defended fortress on the planet for last and ordered his remaining TWs (their numbers had already dwindled due to attrition) to take it by assault instead of a siege. They won, but by the end there were only low double digits of them left alive, and those got disappeared with minimum fuss except for one or two who managed to escape.

[@zxen1th]

A new fan of warhammer here also lmao so happy to learn new things with you guys

[@elisecunliffe1123]

I'm starting to think this Emperor fellow may be a bit of a bad dude.

[@adenkyramud5005]

CEASE YOUR HERESY

[@afl2138]

We need Luetin addendum series called akchuali. Maybe Adeptus Actuallys.

[@MrEpeliX]

Maybe make it Inquisition related: Ordo Actuallus

[@Dimetropteryx]

A few notes on Thunder Warriors They were bred explicitly to conduct military campaigns and fight in them, not just brute strength. Considering that they were somewhat successfully working on ways to extend their lives after the unification without having been engineered for it should give an indication of their resourcefulness. Astartes were more versatile both mentally and physically, that's their strength, but the Thunder Warriors were far from stupid. You're not going to get much diplomacy or political consideration out of a Thunder Warrior, but you are going to get sound tactical and strategic thinking. They were running their own legions after all, and had their own primarchs which were appointed by Big E based on their actual skill as generals. It wasn't just brute force. The dudes were fast and agile despite their size. Much closer to Custodes than Astartes, judging by the fights in the books. They're not just tanking, they're bobbing and weaving on a whole different level from Astartes. They were basically either stripped down Custodes or overclocked Astartes, depending on how you look at it. Thunder Warriors (and Custodes btw) started off with whatever weapons and armor they could scrounge or cobble together at the start of the unification of Terra and ended up towards the end with power armor and the same weapons as Astartes still use. Power weapons, bolters, chainswords etc., some of which are considered revered relics in later millennia. What they were facing wasn't primitive brutes, the technobarbarians were pretty damn sophisticated and organized into legitimate empires. They were using sorcerers, psykers, massively augmented humans, Dark Age tech and they were dropping nukes on each other. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the unification of Terra was probably the toughest military campaign the Imperium ever had to fight, judging simply by how long it took to conquer a single planet with the equivalent of several space marine legions at their absolute pre-heresy peak. The Thunder Warriors were betrayed at Mount Ararat and most of the ones who had survived the war were killed there. There wasn't much hunting after that, the Imperium was largely indifferent to them once they stopped being a strategic threat. They started becoming indifferent about dying when they figured out how inevitable it was and how horrifying their deaths were going to be. The last survivors were really just looking forward to dying with their boots on, so to speak. (sources: Valdor, The Outcast Dead, Dreams of Unity)

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Magnus did plenty wrong. However all he did until Russ broke his back was for the Emperor’s dream and his own enlightenment. In his arrogance he believed that he was not at risk to the warp. He attempted to break through to the imperial webway to warn his father of the coming storm and prospero wasn’t supposed to happen. He wasn’t supposed to be killed but Horus saw to his fall

[@TheExcessus]

I can't remember wich book it was in but when they culled the thunder warriors in one of the places where they sent in the war dogs (proto world eaters) they counted five marine corpses for every thunder warrior dead.

[@Bollthorn]

"Kill me then, 'Emperor'. Better to die in freedom's twilight than draw breath at the dawn of tyranny. May the gods grant me my last wish: that my spirit lingers long enough to laugh when your faithless kingdom at last falls apart." -Daival Shan, Terran separatist warlord, at his execution. Also, in the Horus Heresy book 'The Outcast Dead', there are surviving Thunder Warriors in that, hiding in the slums on Terra running as crime lords. When the leader reveals his name, the Space Marines fighting him are shocked and stunned into silence. It's even enough to shock the World Eater out of his butcher's nails-induced fury. Also, in 'The First Heretic' (I think), its heavily inplied that the Emperor actually made a deal with the Chaos Gods themselves for the knowledge and means to create the Primarchs and Space Marines. But, when he started spreading the Imperial Truth, which would have starved them of worshippers and risked wiping them out, THAT'S when they scattered the Primarchs.

[@Codoxnz]

During the age of Unification, The Emperor took the children of those he conquered, that he saw as notable, and turned them into Custodes. It is also mentioned in Master of Mankind, that The Emperor can see the end of his plans, but not the pieces that lead up to said end. It is likely he knew Chaos would subvert some of his children, so he attempts to influence which ones fall to chaos, and gives Chaos the 'broken' Primarchs -- this isn't to say that that all went to plan, as it's unlikely he thought Horus would fall.

[@Archon3960]

Plus, I would wager that Big E. made it appear like he had everything planed out when he mostly reacted to some shit. Like the Rangdan Xenocides or the Heresy.

[@dolando5837]

there's something so wholesome about them talking about their patreon, blowing up to 400$ compared to where it is just 2 months later.

[@ThePrinceOfSpace413]

Did bricky forget that the mechanicus thought the emperor was the omnisaia? that is why the adeptus mechanicus is allowed to do what they do, because they technically do worship the emperor just not the exact way that as most.

[@infernaloz6486]

A quote I heard years ago explains why everything went to shit during the Age of Strife : "Civilisation is three meals away from anarchy"

[@RedCometofJupiter]

Thunder Warriors weren't dumb, just Untable biologically, some after battle would drop, because their bodies couldn't handle coming from andrenaline and ...a majority were killed in an ambush by the Custodes.

[@alexandersalazar9122]

Oculus Imperia does a wonderful in depth dive of the unification wars. Something I hope that the lore expands upon someday. Probably a era that can be even deeper and more varied than the hours heresy

[@Lacklustergamer83]

Thank you guys for posting your content on youtube. It has made my long work commutes far more tolerable, and has furthered both my knowledge and enjoyment of the 40k lore!

[@ostritch5519]

Just gotten back into warhammer currently building my 1000p tau army and this channel is definitely the most entertaining I’ve found makes me seem like a lot less of a noob at my GW THANKS!!

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

You’ve gotta cover the machine uprising and the fact humanity seemingly taught alongside aliens to slam robo-booty, and the “man of iron” that posed as a ad mech robot

[@GaldirEonai]

So here's the thing about Dark Ages: The european medieval Dark Ages were named such not because life was notably more shit than before or after (it really wasn't in most areas) but because a lot of it wasn't documented very well. The same goes for the DAoT. It's called "Dark" because very few records from the time have survived. Nobody knows exactly what went on there.

[@ilDuderoni]

Oof, those pog mentions won't age super well after today. Great episode as always tho, keep 'em coming!

[@Adeptusridiculous]

yeee u can tell this was recorded a week ago

[@thedango6890]

Big Emps is so chad just to prove how chad he was and that he was clearly the biggest chad he immaculeted himself into existence

[@Kalenz1234]

Starting off the podcast with some insane heresy about the manperor of mankind being some ancient xenos toad. I like it.

[@Whammy777]

My friends turned me on to 40K recently and I have been learning so much lore from your wonderful sermons, thank you and may the God Emperor’s Light Shine Upon Thy Podcast

[@NovemberDeltaVictor]

I love you guys' videos so much I never want you to stop making these videos, because they are so freaking good that I listen to them every night when I go to sleep.

[@cosmere-gx4ud]

Dude love your guys podcast but there like two super important things you missed Perpetual Erda and the other immortal humans like malcador that followed Big E, and the Big E enprisoning the dragon of mars which may be a ctan shard or something

[@ryanadams0922]

Yes Brickys knowledge just pure it in my ears

[@hellknight128]

Humanity at the golden age literally had the orks have a peace treaty with humanity Well that’s the first

[@lucasbeck1391]

It just wasnt fun fighting them

[@hansyolo8277]

38:34 as a Custodes fan boy, the weakest Custodian is as strong as your average named Space Marine. Obviously not Matt Ward era named Ultramarines, but Custodes are to Space Marines what Space Marines are to the Imperial Guard Infantryman. The Golden Banana Boys are stupid strong. There was also a massive slaughter of the Thunder Warriors carried out by the Custodes, this was the main plot point of the book "Valdor: Birth of the Imperium" where they explored that idea more even though we knew about it peviously like the Siege of Terra series is doing now for that event. Guess I am gonna be the "umm achtuallllllyyy" guy, but this is a pretty big difference; The Dark Age of Technology was the idea of a utopia that we have today. The Men of Iron and the events around them discussed are what ended that era, those wars were the Cybernetic Revolt. The DAoT was a paradise for humanity, humanity got complacent, the Cybernetic Revolt happened and humanity was almost brought to extinction. The DAoT was not an era of war or hell for humanity, they were the exact opposite. They're called the "dark age" because so much information was lost between then and modern day 40k.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Feels like bricky fumbles a bit more on big E i think he doesn't like him that much, sure some of his decisions were bad but the times were hard even after he got the imperium started, he was rushing to get worlds togheter and he had massive problems the human webway would have solved, he was trying to get humanity to the times before the warp storms, set up resurce distribution and solid comunication routes make sure people are properly educated, hard to do that when you have aso many worlds with so many cultures and spaxe travel is a crapshoot His xenophobia is hard to judge considering how hard the eldars fucked up and how hostile other races are

[@hunterxkiller8732]

its stuff like this that explained why humanity hates zenos so much.

[@azir64]

45:00 In the book "the first Heretic" you learn that it's the Word Bearers that by summoning a daemon on Cadia. Fly in to the eye of terror guided by said daemon (in search of the truth), time travel to the Primarch gastation tube vault (whatever you want to call it). And sabotaged the Gellarr field so that the forces of Chaos could steal the Primarchs. Secondly, was there not a part where the Emperor himself went in to the warp and made a deal with Chaos for knowledge, etc?

[@Archon3960]

Was it ever confirmed that they did it, or was it just Chaos screwing with them?

[@thesilliestgoose5990]

This is literally the only podcast I listen to, keep up the amazing work!

[@jcsteele7012]

Adeptus ridiculous: the emperor is a shit dad. Inquistor: pretty sure this is heresy. inquisitor 2: did someone say exterminatus?

[@brayachdragonbane7529]

Inquisitor 3: It is known that our holy most emperor is above such things 'being a bad dad' therefore, this inquisitor finds this non heretical.

[@ProjectXa3-1]

Also I'm kind of upset that you didn't actually spell out the whole "Because Men of Iron, so No AI, therefore Servitors" causality of it, I didn't realize that at first that "it's not an AI, it's a lobotomized DUDE running that tech, that's totally fine" was why that was. I originally figured it was some kind of penal system punishment just for its own sake.

[@Kulunu1992WOW]

13:35 isn't he talking about the Arc Mechanicus Speranza? This thing is not just a single STC but one, if not the, oldest Arc Mechanicus and AI, that was made by Human hands, that still exists. Also if I remember the books right she is still loyal to this day, while following some plan that no one understands. All pray to the Machinegod! Praise the Omnissiah and his Children! Oh boy, you go into strong controversy territory here, there is still fighting in the Mechanicum over big E and his worship. Most of the "loyal" Mechanicum see him as Part of the Omnissiah, and the dark Mechanicum hates him as they see him as an imposter. Thanks for this episode!!

[@DouglasMeloche]

Just finished reading Horus Rising, and am still surprised how much I ended up liking Lupercal. I was prepared for the charisma and calculating nature, but I did not expect him to care SO much about the Unification of Humanity. He really did BELIEVE completely in his father's dream

[@MarbleCaked]

shy/dk/brick out here making GW stocks go up

[@RamnaViaz]

The thunder warriors were not just big and dumb, they may not have been as smart as the Space marines but they had at least the normal intelligence of a human being is just that their agression levels were extremely high, their main problem was that their biological upgrades were unstable, unlike a space marine that grows into his additional organs and new biological processes since they're implanted at puberty a thunder warrior was a grownass man grafted with biological implants, extra organs and given genetic therapies, they got big and strong real fast but they were not meant to last, they would go crazy and into psychotic rages in the middle of battle or some times their genetically modified metabolism would go haywire and they would burst into flames spontaneously or their muscles would liquify and fall of the bone, they would develop tumors and cancerous growths, they were just not meant to live long lives, they were meant to be the stone hammer to crush the techno barbarians of terra and nothing more, so Big emps could've just waited for them to die naturally but he knew they would realize something was up when new space marines kept being produced but no more thunder warriors were being manufactured and he knew they would rebel against him for this since they were machines built for brutal combat, so killing them was the best and fastest way to solve and avoid that problem as well as having the added benefit of testing his new astartes against a formidable enemy and see how they would fare, and they didn't disappoint. Basically thunder warriors just got the short end of the stick, they conquered planet earth for Him and placed him in the right position to start his galaxy spanning crusade, and their reward for this was annihilation.

[@RisenDvL2]

I gotta say i really love the way you guys go about this and the lore. I’ve tried to find accounts that really tell the lore well of 40k and i was watching Leutin but i find the way he tells it is a little too in depth where he loses me but you guys do it great, the way you discuss the lore tells it more like a story keep up the great work!!!!!

[@toadwine7654]

i have always hated that feeling when you finish a book series and you have really gotting into the universe and then its done and over. i am so happy i have found 40k. i dont have a single mini and probably never will, i just love reading the books ! XD

[@foolchat9083]

I love that little humble intro you can tell that this universe as bleak as it is is a nice highlight of everyones week for us to come together and have some laughs

[@danyael777]

You guys should watch (or DK at least) "The Last Church" fan animation here on YT. It's about how Emps thinks about religion and also you see the Thunder Warriors in action. And it's a great ironic story.

[@aidanobrien9226]

I'd kill for a tabletop game set during the unification wars.

[@durandus676]

Emperor sat through humanity slowly unifying once before, no wonder hes so impatient after the eldar screwed it all up

[@JamesWDMellaerts]

"You know what's also deep?" Damn I was waiting for a Dark Eldar joke