Who are the Lamenters, and what did they do to deserve this? | Warhammer 40K Lore

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The Lamenters are an unfortunate Loyalist Chapter of Space Marines which, perhaps more than any other Chapter of the present era, seems to have been cursed by a dark shadow that has long determined its fate.
The Lamenters' accursed and haunted legacy seems to have tainted much of what they have achieved and their victories often become bitter ashes in their hands.

[@laurenbastin8849]

They inherited Sanguinious’s compassion... along with his ruptured arteries and terrible luck

[@thatdoppioguy1825]

And soul being annihilated

[@marseldagistani1989]

@@thatdoppioguy1825 there still a chance of Sanguinius being alive

[@thatdoppioguy1825]

@@marseldagistani1989 No there isn’t, his body is fucking gone, at best there is only a handful of shards remaining

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@thatdoppioguy1825 I believe he is still somewhere out there. Much like an STC for the combat suits from the Dark Age of Technology

[@raptorxrise5386]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 his body is completely wrecked but his soul is most likely still there. Either as part of the sanguinor or as part of the twin Angels in the warp.

[@AsaelTheBeast]

The thing that makes the Lamenters so noteworthy isn't how bad their luck it. The cursed founding is full of bad luck chapters. It's that, no matter how bad their losses, how ruinous their penance, how often they are kicked and abused by fate..... They remain completely devoted to the cause. They don't forsake civilians, or the emperor. They fight to the last for the imperium- knowingly walking to their doom with a shout of defiance and heads held high. For those we cherish, We die in glory! It's not about the torture porn. It's about being the light that won't be extinguished, even if the universe itself conspires to snuff it out.

[@krullachief669]

You ever play Darkest Dungeon? Becaus I like to view the Lamenters like i view the Descenden/Hier in that game. At first they were fightingto resotre their former glory, but now they do all of this becue it is the right thing to do. Fuck whatever unforgivable shi the Imperioum is doing, it's time to do he right thing, for the right reasons and damn the consequences. That's the Lamenters in a nutshell. They die standin, protecting those that are worth protecting.

[@Shinobubu]

And that is why they are loved.

[@xanmontes8715]

A single lighthouse shining against a tsunami.

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

In a way, the Lamenters seem like the last remnants of the Emperor's vision for humanity. And even their chapter colors are some of the closest to Sanguinius, as their armor is often depicted as a more gold tinted yellow.

[@timconner7693]

It's to bad Bricky didn't get that about them but then again he did only have a few days to research them I suppose.

[@jackgriffi7826]

"It gets worse," That's just the Lamenters history in general.

[@evilabelincoln3787]

I always thought that was the chapters creed

[@Caladrio1]

so it´s kinda like the history of russia

[@mikecampos1193]

@@Caladrio1 you forgot the that Ukraine does they have a bad history too because of the Russians if you're Russian in this comments section the fins and Poland they hate your guts it's true Russian guy told me how those three nations would love to watch Russia burn to the ground talk about having a really bad grudge.

[@randomizedrandomizer2533]

"but wait! it gets worse..."

[@steelbear2063]

It's just 40k in general

[@JackClockerinos]

The Lamenters: "Why do you give us your toughest battles?" The Emperor: "Because you're my strongest soldiers"

[@heitorguerra4584]

The Lamenters: No we aren't

[@michaeldenny309]

Evassor assassin: GIVE ME HARDER BATTLES!, Emperor: WTF

[@TriptuneRadio]

"Lol," said the emperor, "Lmao."

[@nicko0904]

"I will never be able to do them justice" It's ok Bricky the Lamenters never get justice.

[@yeetytheyeti5520]

Lamenters taxi company. "For those we cherish we drive in glory"

[@dannylamb456]

The unluckiest taxi cab company in the Imperium. Prone to accidents that aren't supposed to be possible, but happen anyway.

[@callsignkit6930]

For those we charter? 😃

[@shahman76]

“For those we cherish, we die in glory” My poor, poor yellow bros😢

[@thelordchancellor3454]

We found him, the one Lamenters fan!

[@lordofswarm538]

@@thelordchancellor3454 make that two

[@DaengieDraws]

@@thelordchancellor3454 Three...

[@scooterdescooter4018]

::wails in anguish::

[@GloriousSquizoKing.]

@@thelordchancellor3454 Four..

[@Kamen_Hammer]

The Lamenters are the Textbook definition of Pyrrhic victories.

[@TealWolf26]

Usually that implies you earned something. 😥

[@Ramsimation]

The Lamentors are the representation of a player who only rolls 1s on the tabletop.

[@494Farrell]

@@TealWolf26 pyrrhic is a victory so costly you may as well have lost.

[@scout360pyroz]

@@TealWolf26 they saved lives, eliminated threats to humanity, and died in glory. Even if the imperium's body does not see this, the Emperor of Mankind surely will. And he does in the TTS spin off. Their sacrifices were not in vain.

[@26th_Primarch]

@@scout360pyroz *[LAMENTS UNCONTROLLABLY]*

[@marbledgold0605]

The Lementors exist to balance out the incredible luck of the Ultra Marines...

[@jbark678]

Makes sense

[@edasdima2615]

Orks believe that blue is lucky, so at least Ultramarines have some what canonicly justified plot armor.

[@Dragonspirit223]

@@edasdima2615 Wouldn't the Lamenters be the most explosive? As in, the most powerful? Actually, hang on, each Lamenter practically has a 10 to 1 KDR against foes that usually have a 5 to 1 KDR (Chaos, I suppose that's nothing to the Nids, but still)

[@Somebody-dl8og]

@@edasdima2615 oh my emperor...

[@woaddragon]

Part of my head cannon now

[@nobodysman143]

The Lore of the Lamenters in a nutshell: *THE PAIN TRAIN HAS NO BREAKS*

[@Hiihtopipa]

FEEL NO FEAR AND RELEASE YOUR REAR, THE RAPE TRAIN IS HERE!

[@insertedgynamehere]

It will break before the lamenters do.

[@hunn20004]

Me:"Magic pain glove, do they Lamenters ever receive some relief?" MPG: **cuts off hand**

[@voxlknight2155]

Fun fact, when a ship is lost in the warp, the inhabitants scale of time can be anywhere from 5 seconds to 50 million years. So, theoretically, the Lamenters couldve been lost there for thousands of years... or 30 minutes

[@unemployedengineer8005]

Knowing the lamenters , probably the former

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

It felt like several hundreds, that's for sure.

[@phelpsbutnotmichal9360]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 because of the deamons?

[@vodam6970]

@@phelpsbutnotmichal9360 if you were to fight daemons for more than a month, you too would lose sense of time

[@conan2096]

they were probably in there since the dawn of time, going through several generations of marines with only their serfs as recruit material...and no toilet roll.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

21:17 I am imagining the lamenters watching the ork world explode, as they're all battered and wounded and exhausted, and they look behind them at the miniscule amount of people they managed to save. And then a little malnourished human child approaches one of the lamenters, and just hugs them.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

ok im tearing up

[@strangeworld9376]

God fucking damn you now I’m crying

[@EderReis]

The little kid: you are of those heroes right? The lamenter: ... not anymore...

[@spacejunk2186]

Schindlers List music starts playing. Lamenter walks around, inspecting their weapons: "A bullet. Two more people."

[@samfish2550]

Before it finally succumbing to it's malnutrition, dieing mid embrace

[@Khornecussion]

I don't think people like Lamenters for " Murder and Tragedy Porn. " . I think it's for the " These underdogs are somehow not shooting the Imperium in the back after being stepped on, left out to dry by their allies and then finally given a bit of help from SOMEONE." - I think it's just that people like to cheer for the person that's getting beaten up, sometimes.

[@zacharyharwell351]

I think they're either my first or second favorite faction (at least first or second fav Imperium faction) for EXACTLY this reason; its really inspiring to read about or see someone who, despite fate itself seeming to take a sadistic pleasure in ruining their lives, they stand back up and move forward without undue complaint and without turning traitor. And not because of some zealous fervor for their Emperor or because they like violence: they do it to fulfill at least part of Big E's goals for his Space Marines: "They are my Bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity." For those we Cherish, we die in glory! Mad respect to the Lamenters.

[@stankobarabata2406]

Someone with that much amount of immovable loyalty and staunchness in the face of harrowing defeats and pyrrhic victories and even after getting humiliated and attacked by their own allies and tricked by their only real friends in their Faction in general, they STILL keep going. As an Imperial Fist - that amount of willpower and stubbornness and refusing to give up and just defying the pull towards Chaos - well let's just say I fell in love with these boys. I think even Dorn would look at these boys and be "You're all champions of what it means to be Astartes, despite everything". They oddly remind me of Crimson Fists in a way, Crimson Fists also have this really big thing towards helping the "little guys" so to speak.

[@Sercotani]

@@stankobarabata2406 have you read Rynn's World? I absolutely loved the Crimson Fists there even though I usually don't vibe with Dorn's sons (Black Templars being a massive exception).

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

I feel like it's a mix of both.

[@deadlydestroya]

Their symbol isn't a "crying heart" it's A C T U A L L Y based on the old saying/phrase, "bleeding heart" which basically means you are very empathetic and generally care about everyone being happy or atleast well, especially when it comes to the unfortunate.

[@markwackerman5593]

Also, they wear their heart on their sleves, showing their true intentions is pure

[@oz_jones]

@@markwackerman5593 _For those we cherish, we die in glory!_

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

"bleeding heart" sounds like an insult nowadays tbh

[@fist-of-doom487]

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 these days it’s usually used as an insult. It usually amounts to calling someone an over emotional baby.

[@Sara3346]

@@fist-of-doom487 For those lacking empathy I guess it it's easy to imagine them being insulted by someone unlike themselves.

[@davideddy8557]

The Lamenters are like the 40k equivalent of the Pokemon move 'Endure'. They survive, but at 1 HP.

[@Venneroth]

The Lamenters are the third most important function in the Imperium of Man, second only to the Emperor himself and his Throne. You see, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. All that plot armor the Imperials have has to come from somewhere. The Lamenters' plot anti-armor is the counter balance that lets other characters survive.

[@stringstorm]

The Lamenters ARE THE BEST CHAPTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are the absolute GOOD GUYS in the grimdarkness of the far future where there is only war ;~;

[@TealWolf26]

Like he said, Salamanders but chronically depressed.

[@roykennedy]

For those we cherish we die in glory~!

[@intrepidferret6704]

them and the farsight enclaves

[@zilla6280]

@@TealWolf26 Salamanders murdered a bunch of imperial citizens because they found out they were hanging out with xenos one time, eldar I think. Salamanders are better than most but they are also genocidal maniacs with a fire fetish.

[@septimusheikler8104]

Oh hi

[@simplewrites]

Lamenters: *Are sent on a penance crusade* Black Templars:"SOMEONE SAY CRUSADE?!"

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

Yes, we are on a crusade for 100 years, do you wish to join us?

[@simplewrites]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 hold on lemme check with my commissar. . . . "Sir! Can I go on crusade?" "I dOnT kNoW! CaN yOu?" *sigh* "MAY I go on a crusade?" "Is that a rhetorical question guardsman?" "...Yes?" "Then why are you standing here? Grab your company and go!" "Yes sir!" . . . I'll be right there our Leman Russ tanks need fueling.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@simplewrites cool, thanks.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 Hey, I noticed it's only been 1 year out of 100. Would you like some flyboys to join you?

[@Ghostrecall_M]

​@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 How is the crusade going?

[@deadlydestroya]

When you're so unlucky that when Commander Dante calls for help everyone thinks you did the right thing by saying you can't help.

[@jjjbjbbnjbjbjbjbjb9415]

The Lamenter's are my favorite chapter of space marines.....because in the grim dark world of warhammer they are a group that tries to do what is best for humanity and humans, time and time again, and no matter how beaten down they become, or punished for doing the right thing, they keep coming back and they keep fighting. They lament but never give in.

[@librarianseth5572]

I've liked the other members of their founding better

[@Nempo13]

Something to remember, when Guilliman reinforced the chapters with Primaris, he reinforced the Lamenters FIRST. The 100 or so survivors were given enough Primaris battle brothers to bring them up to FULL STRENGTH. They haven't been at full strength since their founding!

[@Artey0m]

They have a cool banner that was literally soaked in the tears of Sororitas because they just foresaw how shit their life would be :)

[@Cairo40000]

If you can make cold hearted fanatical nuns sob like babies you know your life is absolutely shit

[@GloriousSquizoKing.]

Dude... that just hurts.

[@JI-fk8mz]

Hahahaha 🤣

[@pretzelbomb6105]

@@Cairo40000 Especially one that sees you as a vile mutant.

[@joehudson3042]

The lamenters: silence galaxy. I do not wish to be unlucky anymore. I just want to be happy

[@xiaoyu1949]

Guts theme *AAAAAaaaAAaaaEEEEaaaah*

[@florianglinka8575]

Go to no sad jail BONK

[@07azunyan]

Interjection/expletive idea: "Gork my Morks!"

[@erikrungemadsen2081]

Mork my Gorks ya knobbin herytak!

[@williamwalsh4743]

Sup Morker Gorkers

[@CZOM027]

Oh Gorka da Morka

[@MerryMerryGold]

really gorking my morks, you know morking my gorks

[@chibipotate]

The Lamenters are interesting because they're basically how i think many wish the Ultra Marines are, Where SURE they always 'Win' they always get that victory on the dot... But instead its always at a cost, They ONLY Get the Victory, No Glory, No Honor Just a simple, On Record Victory at any cost.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

That’s why I’m an Iron Hand at heart. Clear objectives. Meet the enemy, crush them, move on to the next target. No glory, no honor fapping, no showboating. Just big guns, heavy armor and unyielding combat doctrine.

[@lordfelidae4505]

I disagree. I think it’s because no matter what happens, no matter what they face, they remain the most devoted entities to the imperium’s people. Ten percent civilian casualties is too many for them, and the entire company dying to save them is a justified cost.

[@lazyc0mmander277]

The story with the Ultramarine on that ork planet seems obviously about how hard it can to determine the value of doing being tactical vs. doing the right thing.

[@ethandew1768]

@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 What about helping the weak? Thats why I like the lamenters.

[@nathanmiles4989]

Concerning the "ork and his gun" story, the TLDR version is: warp travel is wierd, and orks don't really navigate in the warp. An ork spacehulk makes a warp-jump, and due to warp shenanigans, arrives right where they jumped from, a few days before they jumped. The warboss decides to take advantage of this to get a spare of his favorite shoota, and the resulting confusion stops a waaagh before it could get going.

[@01theblackknight]

You have a source? That's incredible.

[@nathanmiles4989]

@@01theblackknight 7th edition codex orks, page 35, "the lost waaagh!"

[@danielepomi]

Mlmo

[@ultramarinescaptain3840]

*Visible Ork confusion.*

[@fist-of-doom487]

@OHGAS Lesson here: and Orcs power is only matched by his stupidity

[@schoenperkins8210]

I feel like there was just that one guy following the Lamenters constantly saying “what could possibly go wrong” and no one had the heart to strangle him

[@allmyself666]

Imagine this; Sanguinius is revived. All of the Blood Angel chapters gather to him. He walks up to Dante and embraces him. "You are not my son. You, are my brother." He gives Dante the Blood Angels as his personal chapter. Sanguinius turns to the Legions. "You are all my sons." He steps down from his stage. Walks past all of his Successor Chapters. And stands before the Lamenters. "But you, you are my Legion" Sanguinius then goes on to lead the Lamenters as his personal Legion until the end of time.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

It would be a massive honor if this were to happen.

[@monsoonvipr8467]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 yep, it would

[@jrex0522]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 ah, lamenters! a glorious day to you! if ever you need any assistance in the field, dont be afraid to ask. my regiment would be more than happy to aid you. i believe that goes for many of my brethren too. for the ones we cherish, we die in glory, is it not? sincerely, a guardsman

[@zacharyharwell351]

This made me oddly emotional, well done. I genuinely hope something like this happens for the Lamenters; these guys need proper recognition for their devotion and sacrifice

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@zacharyharwell351 it's like I'd the god emperor just vox the krieg but all of krieg would die of heart attack from the sheer presence of the emperor telling them "you are forgiven my children"

[@dagdammit]

The Badab War was notable because it was a sector-wide civil war/insurgency primarily fought between two varieties of loyalist space marines. The Astral Claws and their fellow chapters like the Lamenters were tasked with guarding the sector from its own warp-tainted region, the Maelstrom. Lugft Huron basically was a great leader who coulda properly purged the Maelstrom, but the high lords of terra repeatedly shot down his proposals without full consideration or let the crusade get underway but then crippled it by diverting whole chapters elsewhere because of some other crisis. Huron eventually goes "fuck it better to beg forgiveness then ask permission", and starts doing all these questionably legal things to build up a crusade force locally. Worst of all is that he low-key stopped paying taxes (claiming checks totally got put in the mail). This escalated until he was declaring the sector independently governed by himself, clashing first with local power groups and then with forces dispatched by Terra once things got out of hand. Astral Claws were doing bigger crimes behind the scenes (all innthe name of building up a crusade force for the good of the imperium), but all the evidence indicates they didn't fall to chaos during the Badab War. They fell *after losing*, and Huron is NOT out of the picture after that.

[@kuehnjakob]

Thank you. I get that they had to shorten the Badab War (and what came before), but damn, a bit lengthier wouldn’t have hurt.

[@Lazrael32]

@@kuehnjakob it doesn't help that you could write a whole novel series on the badab war.... but they haven't. so we only really have the broad strokes.

[@someimperialfist1404]

Yellow is a ugly color “I’m am offended and upset.” Lamenters are ugly yellow “Ah, okay. Carry on.”

[@moriresvirir]

No.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

You know, our color used to be antique gold. We're still trying to make it our color again.

[@livingghost7975]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 you have been having an awfully unlucky time trying to get the right color having to lament every time it turns yellow

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@livingghost7975 I know, it sucks.

[@chesterstevens8870]

Marine Malevolent: "Bold words, coming from someone in Cyclone Torpedo range."

[@surimonizarro9791]

"For those we cherish, we die in glory." Dang these guys get at my heart strings. I came to 40k to see guys in metal armor beat the crap out of some demons and zeros! Not get sad over hawk man's sad bois ah

[@Demicleas]

Don't you mean "MeAtEl BoWxEs!!!"

[@azathoththe3rd]

But it's also ironic cause space marines don't have family. So the ones they cherish is the Emperor and each other. So they fight and die only for each other.

[@johngun4377]

@@azathoththe3rd you name another Chapter that Threw their entire force at an Ork PLANET to save 3 million civilians, lost most of their marines, continued fighting, and straight up refused an Iron Halo because of how many lives were lost.

[@azathoththe3rd]

@@johngun4377 I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's more of sad irony. No one likes them so the ones they cherish are each other so losing each other in battle hits them more than most other chapters would when they lose members

[@johngun4377]

@@azathoththe3rd again, you’re kinda missing the point. I’m not saying they don’t cherish each other, but to say that they Only feel that way for their brothers is very inaccurate

[@covenantoftheark2924]

Black Templars are like " if you crusade eternally the Inquisitors can't count your numbers"

[@guy_autordie]

Also, during a crusade, number limit is not in effect.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@guy_autordie hmm, good to know if we can actually manage to get close to 1,000.

[@redreaper8652]

@@guy_autordie one of the loopholes of girlyman's textbook

[@nikuniku1235]

If I remember correctly some Inquisitors tried to investigate and tracked their logistics, unfortunately they committed suicide sooner later.

[@Nempo13]

I love reading about Black Templar numbers. I forget the short story I read but an Inquisitor said that he would not be surprised if the Black Templars number over 20k, but they are all off fighting xenos which frees up a huge chunk of the rest of the Imperium for other things. So they just count them as being compliant and move on to things closer to home.

[@BillRoyMcBill]

My years in The Guard has taught me many things, first among them is that if you're fighting alongside Blood Angles or one of their successor chapters, and you hear someone yell "I Am Sanguineous!!!"...just start running.

[@Nempo13]

It is even scarier...if you hear that in a robotic voice. Dreadnaughts can fall to the black rage too!

[@Edo_Ginting]

Then the marine channels his inner primarch even more "These are the emeperor's people, and you shall not have them!"

[@bafon867]

"You can't have a chapter the size of twenty thousand marines or there will be problem, but I will have a chapter with about twice as much, no problem." - probably Guilliman

[@zvonimirtigarjelenic]

*cough*Sigesmund*cough*

[@scottlock8584]

*cough* Black Templars *cough*

[@PeachDragon_]

To be offended the primaris are meant to fix that issue

[@lucasbeck1391]

@@PeachDragon_ autocorrect?

[@big924]

@@lucasbeck1391 no you need their permission to be offended

[@thesweetbusinessfanclub7072]

To get an abridged and summarized version of this episode, see bruva alfabusa’s video on the lamentors. You will be sad.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Or stringstorm's song on them.

[@26th_Primarch]

Preferably both.

[@Ajehy]

Grab the tissues.

[@roninzo3354]

Didn't expect to find Destiny here though I'm not upset to have stumbled across it

[@lootizin8068]

@@dalekrenegade2596 I like stringstorm's lamenters Song but damn the "voice of the angelic choir" really doesnt hit the tunes...

[@TheBaggyc]

Would just like to point out the Minotaurs who slapped down the Lamenters recently rebelled against Guilliman so it looks like the yellow boys are going to get the last laugh.

[@sirfrancis8732]

Finally, some good news!

[@mikecampos1193]

@@sirfrancis8732 but don't they outnumber them two to one.

[@anotherperson2627]

@@mikecampos1193 The rage of the Lamenters shall come yet.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

As cuntish as the minotaurs are i find it hilarious how they are truly what the space furry fans think the furries are

[@jacobplayer2709]

Robert Gilman regional manager of the untramarines

[@bob.justbob.3875]

In a way, the Lamenters are the least likely chapter to be wiped out completely because that would mean they get to stop suffering. When it comes to painting them, I wonder how a tiny square stamp would work for the checkerboard pattern.

[@guyfieri148]

I reckon a slide would be better for their shoulders, especially if you're making a lamenters army

[@bladestormviking]

that would make their chapter master Miles O'Brian....

[@quangnguyentrung647]

Or you can try 3d print their pauldron

[@SecuR0M]

The Lamenters can't get wiped out lore-wise because then GW would need to come up with an even more annoying paint scheme.

[@Eladano]

Orks have checker decals. They come in strips 2 squares wide, so you could stack them up the pauldron. You'd need several Orks sheets tho

[@jbark678]

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life..."

[@jackgriffi7826]

Bricky laughs about the Lamenters so that he doesn't cry for the Lamenters.

[@calebmcnabb3668]

And dude forgot to mention how calgar jumped the ultramarine's shit when they got butthurt over declining the iron halo

[@krullachief669]

Ye, people give Clargar some shit for being Papa Smurf, but he's actually pretty damn cool. Shame about a lot of his chapter though.

[@Ghostof17War]

I love how while Bricky is telling the Story of the Lamenters, and the other guy´s like "wow that must have been terrible for them", Bricky´s just like "BUT WAIT! THERE´S MORE!" over and over again...

[@TheMariosack]

I think the major thing you get wrong about Lamenters is probably the reason why people like them. They're cool because even though they get knocked down they keep getting back up, and they never lose their loyalty. "For those we cherish, we die in glory!"

[@theemperorofmankind7706]

For me the reason why the Lamenters are so special is because no matter how much shit comes their way,how low the get, where other chapters would have gone roque or heretical they keep on going. Shitty colour's, amazing lads... If only we could get a better colour skims

[@26th_Primarch]

That's a bit mean Dad...

[@theemperorofmankind7706]

@@26th_Primarch wtf are you doing on KZbin!? I explicitly told malcador to cut WiFi access to you and your brother after that whole "XeNoS ArEn'T ThAt BaD DaaaD" it's enough that I have Papa Smurf dating a damned Eldar

[@laurenbastin8849]

just give them some of that golden auric armour, not like the Custodes are using it

[@theemperorofmankind7706]

@@laurenbastin8849 weeell...the companions are a bit stingy when it comes to giving their stuff to and I quote "lesser worth mutated failures"

[@SB-rf2ye]

Shitty colors Big Papa E? I thought Lamenters are just too humble to ever don golden armor like their dad and grandad, so they don yellow armor.

[@sirgideonofnir6840]

"For those we cherish, we die in glory"

[@TheNeoDaedalus]

I think a fair explanation as to why the Lamenters are indeed popular (at least for their lore) is that they're like the 40k of 40k. For most people (DK included), 40k is brutal, unforgiving and just all-around horrible. But it's interesting for it and it's even more impressive to hear about people who do their best to be noble and righteous in such a vicious environment and still push forward. The lamenters are the most intense version of that. They're extremely loyal, despite constant suspicion and rejection, they will sacrifice themselves to protect humanity time and time again, yet despite their best efforts, great heroism and capable military planning, the universe just keeps fucking with them like with noone else. The parts where I would add to make this episode do them a bit more justice is simply emphasising just how noble and true to their cause they actually are. It's that nobility among all that tragedy that makes them stand out from the rest of the Space Marines and I think that's what made them popular enough to win in the patreon vote. But ofc, if anyone wants more details on the Lamenters, I'd say Arch did a very good video on them.

[@Pragabond]

I'd say Arch can get fucked off a cliff and land in the middle of a high speed car crash but I agree with the rest. They're basically the Guts of 40k

[@TheNeoDaedalus]

@@Pragabond damn. What he ever did to you?

[@FireTalon24]

@@TheNeoDaedalus Norwegian man say gamer words and be mean to progressives therefore bad man who deserves fate worse than Hitler. Apparently.

[@vothbetilia4862]

Don't forget Salamanders too.

[@Pain-pr4rw]

Can agree arch did great video on lamenters if you want more in depth lore on them.

[@Andaril2]

Knowing Lamenters "luck" Iron halo going to make them even squishier! XD Space Hulk Unhallowed Heart seriously no mention of that? Lamenters saved all of warders there.

[@conan2096]

and the inquisition gave them shit for it lol

[@Orapac4142]

@@conan2096 as is tradition.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@conan2096 Of course The Inquisition gives the Lamenters shit.

[@jaega4247]

"Emperor's Teeth!" or "By the Emperor!" are both used quite often in the 40K universe, and could easily be used to replace things like "Oh my God!" or "Jeeezus!"

[@amandeepgill5206]

Or by the holy throne

[@TealWolf26]

Throne on Terra, that mechanicus party was bumping! I want that DJs business data-slate. Something like that.

[@jaega4247]

If we're going Mechanicus, I'd of course use: "Sweet Toaster!", "Bleeeep!" and "Sexy, Bloated Container!"

[@alexvaraderey]

By The Emperor's Balls!

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@amandeepgill5206 even just a “oh, Throne” is pretty common

[@patconrin649]

As one of the dozen Lamenters fans, we did have rules for a named model last edition, but he got moved to legends since he never actually had a model. Malakim Phoros, the chapter master. He was supposedly killed by the Minotaurs, but there are rumors of his survival. His major thing was that he was able to keep the Black Rage at bay, and put himself just to the edge of falling to it and pull himself back after a fight through sheer willpower alone. Edit: Posted this right before Bricky described him lol.

[@osianharries2771]

I know this comment is over a year old but found out an interesting thing that may confirm malakim phoros stull being alive, as during the trial of Gabriel seth there is a chapter master referred to as “malakim of the lamenters”

[@xanmontes8715]

This feeling of powerlessness... It's awful.

[@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z]

"the Emperor protects... everyone, every soul... except the Lamenters"- Lord Oof das Gottahurt, Inquisitor

[@you1027]

Bring up the Unhallowed Heart, that was a sick battle. The Lamenters' biggest appeal is that through all that, they STILL held noble and true. Not once have they faltered; they exemplify the gritty resilience of unyielding virtue. In a way, they're a statement about how purity fares in 40k - a microcosm of grimdark itself

[@AlexWithington]

They are what the space marines were meant to be they are peak space marine except for the whole lick thing but we shall ignore that to be able to stick through the worst of the worst and cone out barely clinging to life just to dive head first back into it to save even a few citizens

[@Nempo13]

@@AlexWithington This is also why if Sanguinius was ever brought back, he would consider the Lamenters the ones to carry on his true will. All of his other sons have focused on battle for the sake of battle. Only the Lamenters hold true as to WHY one should go into the battle. Yes, the Blood Angels have his color scheme and are his original legion. They have deviated however, the rage and helplessness at witnessing his death over and over again in their minds has turned them into battle maniacs that lash out. I like the chapter and it shows the sheer ferocity with which Sanguinius was able to bring to bare upon his foes. Yet, they have lost the most important part; Why one should leap into battle in the first place.

[@wafflebananakid5875]

Since you guys are doing Deathguard next episode, maybe look into the story of the group of Deathguard marines who had their connection to Chaos severed. Once they had their connection to Chaos cut, they realized what disgusting bloated monsters they had become, and they all died slowly and painfully, regretting everything. It's a really sad story and it shows how much they were manipulated and blinded by their loyalty to Mortarion.

[@collecter343]

Story name?

[@midgetydeath]

“Even in death, I still fight for those I cherish.” - Lamenter’s dreadnought, probably

[@mr.pickles9791]

-Charon.

[@deanprowell7947]

Speaking of the Badab War, one of the Chapters which participated in it was the Carcharodons Astra, or Space Sharks. They might be a good topic for the future, especially their absolute unit of a Chapter Master, Tyberos the Red Wake

[@stingray2223]

Ohhhhh, Tyberos, the wet dream of every shark lady

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

I find really interesting all the debates around their origin, given that they are weird, strange, violent and unsettling as FUCK! Weird gray skin (Raven Guard?) and black eyes (Night Lords) Stealthy and cunning infiltrations (Raven Guard) RIP AND TEAR AND COMPLETE DISREGARD OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE (World Eaters) Those guys are awesome!

[@silasdasgupta4940]

YES

[@dominicvucic8654]

@@evillaughinthebackground5732 black eyes is a raven guad thing aswell

[@chesterstevens8870]

"Hippity Hoppity, your tech is now our property." ~Tyberos, to some unlucky Mantis Warrior.

[@bojansarkanjac983]

I'm just starting to get deeper into 40k,and kind of both glad and sad to have learned about Lamentors. This universe deserves kind and caring guardians of innocence. But they need a god damn break. Give them a break, they deserve it!!!! Why do they suffer so!? T_T

[@mickyflint]

Because that's their shtick. All this hell they've gone through yet they hold on to their ideals and never gave into chaos when others have with less suffering. They are endurance incarnate and something to aspire to.

[@chimeraelite]

No one gets what they truly deserve...good or bad.

[@dagdammit]

Well, you may have noticed: half the time it's because they chose to be heroes and care about the regular people in the imperium. Most chapters wouldn't have thought twice about the slaves on Slaughterhouse five.

[@shahman76]

If you really want to weep for the lamenters, watch bruva alfabusa’s tribute to them.

[@ShahbazBokhari]

I believe they’ve been bolstered now in the Indomitus crusade unless I’m quite mistaken.

[@discountdisco2273]

Lamenter Story explained in 1 sentence: The Pain Train *Never* Stops

[@mlrobbins02]

I want to walk up to one and hug them and say "Thank you for everything."

[@brigidtheirish]

And here's a big pot of warm chicken noodle soup for each of you!

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

@@brigidtheirish and 90% die from food poisoning

[@brigidtheirish]

@@Cthulhuwarlord I didn't even know astartes *could* die of food poisoning. Though if any can, these poor boys would.

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

@@brigidtheirish they probably can’t but then again they did think they were cured of the blood rage thing

[@brigidtheirish]

@@Cthulhuwarlord Yeah. Poor boys.

[@krausercruz2780]

As a die-hard Lamenters fan (their stories got me to learn more about Warhammer) i can safely say you covered all the important points. Good job. Thought you forgot to mention the best part about the penance crusade: you can't deny a fight. If there is trouble on a system you HAVE to go, so yeah pretty much suicidal crusades

[@chrislatam5423]

How they came back of that!!!?

[@krausercruz2780]

@@chrislatam5423 it's been a while but they managed to survive by sheer brass balls and i do believe they got Primaris nowM

[@The42istheanswer]

But...would them refuse to help them in a battle? Stupid lamentors, i love them.

[@krullachief669]

@@chrislatam5423 They're Lamenters. They have the worst luck, get the worst jobs, and always end up on the short end of the stick but they'll NEVER stop trying to do good.

[@Nempo13]

@@krullachief669 Which honestly, makes them closer to Sanguinius than the others. Yes, he was a consumate duelist and liked a good up close fight. However, he also was a primarch that cared about protecting people. All his other sons are so focused on the combat, it is like they forgot WHY he wielded his sword.

[@TealWolf26]

8:00 Guilliman: "Do you want Heretics? This is how you get Heretics!"

[@TealWolf26]

Btw, got an mp4 or source for that sick intro music?

[@brigidtheirish]

Guilliman after hearing how the Lamenters were treated: "Do you want heretics? ***THIS IS HOW YOU GET HERETICS!"***

[@Stan_Delone]

I'm him. I'm the guy cheering when they announce the Lamenter model.

[@j.s.5170]

School is out for lunch, now the real learning can begin

[@livingghost7975]

Don’t forget how they tried to answer Dante’s call for help and promptly got attacked by demons on there way to Baal and after making it there the fight was over and this was just before Dante bolstered them (I think)

[@herypineda255]

"For those we cherish, we die in glory!". I cannot think for a more epic motto, in life or fiction, that this one.

[@CZOM027]

The warp jump took the Ork vessel back in time and upon realising it the Ork Warboss went to kill his other self to get another copy of his favorite gun.

[@LMoftheCoast]

Ah the Lamenters. Cursed to suffer, but too stubborn to roll over and die. Press F to pay respect.

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

I actually really like the lamentors story, they got dealt a shit hand, and all their brothers scorn them, their main allies turned to chaos, and they still stay loyal and do what's right , no matter how hard or dangerous, even when other chapters don't. Id say they're a shining example of what I'd like too see in a chapter

[@InquisitorThomas]

The Astral Claws and Luggy actually ended up becoming probably the most famous and largest Post-Heresy Traitor Marine Warbands, the Red Corsairs.

[@Khornecussion]

Literally the embodiment of: " Okay, it can't get worse. We have this. " " Okay, now it can't get worse. " " Okay, with the Emperor's grace things shouldn't get any worse NOW. " " Oh coME ON! "

[@alexanderthurgar9793]

This is by far my favourite episode. You two made me love the Lamenters. Not because they such sad bois but because of how badass they are when facing insurmountable odds and as far as i can tell having the highest kill death ratio in 40k. My personal goal is to successfully paint a checkered plate on their taxi asses. Love your work keep it coming.

[@princesseponyboy1971]

Statistic idea: amount of times bricks has said untold 🅱️illions

[@CarburetorThompson]

Will be untold billions by the end of the podcast

[@draconicrift8974]

btw, the Lamenters were on year 98 of there 100 years before they got fugged my 'Nids. Its enough to make a man cry.

[@lordlizard2195]

the squats pic closly followed by devils face just when they talk about GW not killing anything :-D

[@boomamathics2666]

I can’t wait for DK to become like all of us ... overwhelmed by sadness

[@fullbellydragonmama]

me, a 40k Lore noob: uh oh 😥

[@comfy_21771]

For those we cherish, we die in glory! One of the best, maybe even the best and most inspiring sentence in warhammer.

[@oreoxiv6475]

Starting to think the guardsmen live longer than lamenters

[@garpogods8323]

46:46 This small interaction tells you everything you need to know about why people love the orks.

[@hamsterhotep]

Someone needs to do a Lamenters troop transport with "BATTLE TAXI" as a decal on it.

[@user-lo2eg8fe5y]

Holy shit, I came in and literally, “Welcome to Indomitus Ridiculous” dayumn!!!

[@lornbaker1083]

*stands still and stoic. Tears rolling down there face.* yes I am in fact crying and there is nothing wrong with that. You see these brave men deserve our tears. For all the pain they have suffered, they still remain, as true heroes of mankind. And they deserve to be remembered and mourned properly.

[@tomsawyerpiper9412]

We covered the most depressed guardsmen division, now for the most depressed space marine chapter.

[@exactinmidget92]

Mantis also got a penitence crusade and the chapter master was executed. Astral Claws went on and became a little known warband called The Red Corsairs.

[@fitztacles]

"little known"

[@moley2317]

2:29 Actually "ZOG!" is the correct phrase to use in this context

[@TheHandofDestiny]

They're blood angels, I think that's enough of a reason for them to die this much

[@nullproxy9639]

Shush lorgar, your fanfiction got us here in the first place

[@TheHandofDestiny]

@@nullproxy9639 Without me you wouldn't have this beautiful and pretty awesome universe we all love

[@brigidtheirish]

@@TheHandofDestiny We'd have a beautiful, pretty awesome universe where humanity didn't worship a skeleton plugging a hole in space-time by sitting on a golden port-a-potty.

[@TheHandofDestiny]

@@brigidtheirish Now that's boring

[@brigidtheirish]

@@TheHandofDestiny You would think that.

[@emjaaaay]

For all the nat20's Ciaphas Cain rolls in life, the lamenters roll nat1's...

[@Barga6464]

And yet they remain loyal. it would be so easy to quit, to give up and run, to give in to chaos and be taken care of... But that's just not the Lamenter way. A tip of a commissars hat for unflinching, unwavering, dauntless loyalty in the face of it all.

[@Reed-it3ho]

Thanks DK I can not unsee the Taxi Cab reference now.

[@brok56]

Oh boy Look at all these traitors. That sounded too happy and it broke me.

[@castorvolkCH]

>me laughing at people struggling to paint a checkboard It's called artist tape, kids, use it.

[@FGS-yk3vc]

Listen to the Vox in the Void's narration "Don't Go" It's heart rending in an honorable way that made the sad taxi boys my favorite chapter

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

The main battle barge of the lamenters is called Mater Lachymarum, "the mother of tears". Which is like the most metal name for a ship I've ever heard.

[@andreasottohansen7338]

On a scale of Angels of Death to Defenders of Humanity, with the Marines Malevolent and the more famous Vulka Fenryka at the AoD end, the Salamanders, and the Lamenters are the pinnacle of DoH. FOR THOSE WE CHERISH, WE DIE IN GLORY! and You thought the Kriegsmen had it bad.

[@floridaball4896]

I'd put the space wolfs higher up for the months of shame

[@greenrena8503]

Failbaddon the Armless. Bacause with the old metal modells you just could *not* make the damn arms stick to the figure! Somewere on the way to the 13th black crussade he got a plastic model (with holding arms) and became useless for his point costs. And thus warth born Failbaddon the Harmless.

[@Nempo13]

The people that got his arms to stick used industrial adhesives, or a jewelry drill and wire.

[@Samm815]

The Lamenters being Taxi cabs was always on the tip of my tongue but I couldn't for the life of me place it.

[@isaacgoeth5158]

*I think the Lamenters are a show of what happens when you try to be a hero in a galaxy constantly besieged by monsters.* *There are NO heroes in the Imperium, only martyrs and survivors.*

[@krullachief669]

I think the best part about this is that the Lamenters prove that sayinf wrong time and time again. They might be matrys, but there's far more heroes in their chapter. For every Lameneter lost is another holding that fucking line against true sadness and hopelessness. They will die for those they cherish, but those that live will continue to fight on.

[@PelinalWhitestrake36]

On the lamenters color scheme; its actually suppose to be based on Sanguinius's armor who wore a golden suit of armor and a snow leopard pelt. The yellow is suppose to be shiny and kinda gold color, and the checkers are meant to be a shout out to the pelt. I always paint them using a leadbelcher base coat and then painting over it with contrast paint yellow; looks more golden and shiny and nice than taxi colors

[@MegamanZero410]

Astral Claws fall to chaos *Doom theme starts playing*

[@andrewpantaleon6995]

So as a Astral Claw, I must apologize to my Lamenter cousins. Sorry my chapter master was being like that. Luckily, I’ve gotten a refounding of the chapter.

[@skitariiranger4346]

"I'm not gonna do them justice, but tough shit" so very fitting for the lamenters actually

[@dashelculbreth8213]

Lol, the lamenters actually have a named forgeworld character: Malakim Phoros

[@THExRISER]

Nah I'd say Bricky hit the nail on the head, as one of the 6 Lamenter fans I'd say he covered everything someone needs to know about them.

[@genericname42]

One of 6 hell you could make an entire chapter of space marines with casualties in induction.

[@genericname42]

(With lamenters fans this one included)

[@AlexWithington]

Id bump that number up to 9 i got a few others into the lamenters so to equate for casualties that would be 5 of use wtf why does this keep happening

[@krullachief669]

Brother

[@THExRISER]

@@krullachief669 Brother

[@Broadside72]

My head canon is that the lost marines from the Lementers turned into the Legion of the Damned

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

An important thing to note about the whole millions of human slaves being blown up is that it was partially their choice. They would rather have the choice to die this way than be slaves again. Lamenters weren't the type to sacrifice innocent lives without reason