Horus Heresy [GONE WRONG] | Origins of Warhammer 40k | Part 3

[@Adeptusridiculous]

bricky gonna say theres 11 horus heresy books now in every episode coz we get half of our viewer engagement from that

[@marth354]

I can dig it. Gotta placate that algorithm somehow.

[@trifontrifonov4297]

Great video, just let me add this here: It's a bit of obscure lore, but the Demon Prince Magnus who serves Chaos is not the same person who tried to warn the Emperor. Teleporting his people way fractured his soul into shards. Demon Magnus is just his rage, arrogance and sense of betrayal. The shards are self aware and have their own purpose, like the shard that represents Magnus as a warrior, it drifts searching for a worthy for, or the one that represents Magnus as father to his men, that shard commited suicide to deny Demon Magnus its power and knowledge.

[@loreman2803]

Ya know what's next right?........War in heaven 1 and 2

[@hunterhawk862]

Could you tell me in which order do they go in chronologically was thinking about reading them like a list :)

[@ryanadams0922]

I would rather bricky just talk nothing but warhammer lore for those 11 books

[@Bricky]

Luv me lore Luv me Vulkan Hate heresy Simple as

[@ceral1871]

Brick

[@dasfaq6260]

You get more complicated once Deathstrike Missiles come into the equation.

[@deltoriannephran1286]

VULKAN LIVES!!!

[@Damn_Cat]

Turning Point Imperium

[@jackth23mellow7]

Hey Bricky great podcast. you mentioind in this one that you do not like Vulkan being an eternal is bad. Could you elaborate on this? is it story/plot wise that it is a concern or is is the concept in it self that there are immortals amoing the Space marines?

[@krausercruz2780]

To quote Magnus from TTS: "I PUNCHED ONE OF HIS HEARTS OUT, WHY NOBODY REMEMBERS THAT"

[@darovitman6720]

Nobody remembers that, because it was such an internal wound that had no visual influence on the fight and on represantation from the fight in pictures

[@kevinaustin51]

@@darovitman6720 Yes just ignore the MASSIVE GAPING HOLE IN HIS CHEST!

[@darovitman6720]

@@kevinaustin51 I understood that the heart was crushed while still inside of leman. I thought that it would look like maybe broken armour at the point where the heart is or even just a big dent in the armour. If it was a gaping hole in lemans body then I agree that it is weird that it is always forgotten

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@darovitman6720 it’s cause history is written by the victors.

[@lordcommissar7813]

Becuase they got 2 hearts but only 1 spine

[@championoffate6778]

Sanguinius dropping some of the greatest lines after beating the demon, he lopped off the demons wings and said “only angels may fly.”

[@hestan723]

Speech 100

[@localagoraphobe]

Destruction 100

[@mr.potato2223]

What a kickass line

[@midgetydeath]

He didn't lop them off, he *tore them off.* And then he broke the daemon's back on his knee and cast him down among the masses of heretics.

[@Reddotzebra]

And people wonder why Horus wanted Sanguinius to be Warmaster...

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

This is why good parenting is the best defense against Chaos

[@Ashtor1337]

The Inquisition disagrees with you.

[@Chaun1998]

@@Ashtor1337 they were quoting TTS

[@Samm815]

@@Ashtor1337 the Inquisition is wrong.

[@anonymous_5748]

Rogal Dorn: held terra against 9 primarchs with 2 other brothers for years Also Rogal Dorn: Gets screwed over by perturabo in the iron cage incident

[@BTTS199]

I thought going headlong into Iron Cage incident was to remove the space marines that were against the codex?

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

@@BTTS199 that was part of it. it was also for rogal to see what humanity he still had and it turns out seeing his beloved brother dead and his father dying the imperial dream died within rogal and seeing his sons die in the iron cage it solidified that rogal had changed and was now bitter and wanted death but papa smurf saved him

[@eriktazawa3087]

His normal calm had been... compromised

[@sparking023]

@@eriktazawa3087 He would then proceed to be dead... *in pretend*

[@ZeroNumerous]

I personally subscribe to the idea that Rogal was actively trying to die, since he in universe has no plan or ideas except "fight heretics until we die".

[@thecmoose4754]

The dropsite massacre is such a notorious event that the Sallies, Ravens, and Iron Hands became for a time, united under the banner of the Shattered Legions.

[@RedStar441]

That’s where the traitors fumbled. They underestimated a broken brothers will to persevere, but with a threefold magnitude.

[@mr.potato2223]

Ravens guard must have gotten so many cool toys from the 2 most "let's make stuff" chapters

[@christopherclayton5500]

@@mr.potato2223 You'd think so, but Kiavahr had nearly the production of a Forgeworld. Corax himself was something of a craftsman, though not as the same level as Ferus or Vulkan. I think it's Vulkan > Ferus = Fulgrim > Corax?

[@jordinagel1184]

@@christopherclayton5500 pretty sure Perturabo still exceeds Corax

[@professorpantherhardraad3921]

Horus: The risk I took was calculated, but man am I bad at math.

[@customerservice1565]

@BenjaminTheRogue or is he?

[@cjmarion6350]

@@customerservice1565 are you perhaps a servant of tzeench? it certainly seems so.

[@scoutobrien3406]

He was but he's changed

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Nah his math was good he just didn't add into a single mortal coming in out of fucking nowhere

[@masterchief-bm6tu]

"Luetin will be at my door with a gun" lol

[@PobortzaPl]

@Tulug Noyan Guns are loud, knives are quiet and that's why the guy with knives is a seroius fella.

[@openaardvark419]

HE’LL USE DA BIGGEST AND DA POINTIEST CHOPPA

[@marcog.verbruggen674]

Bricky: and someone kept the Dark Angels at bay, i don't remember who Me: well that would be the Dark Angels, actually

[@axelmaldonado2642]

What do you mean? The Dark Angels have always been absolutely loyal and never, ever had any thoughts of betrayal. Ignore any talk of the Fallen and ignore the destruction of Caliban.

[@didacricartalfaro1908]

Interrogator-Chaplain Asmodai would like to see you both in his office to offer clarification on some of your points

[@danielsmith762]

Also bring books.

[@menschman1464]

Fallen? What’s that? Never heard of them. Definitely not former dark angels. Nononononono

[@sparking023]

@@didacricartalfaro1908 Is this the part where they bring the Repent Hammer?

[@mcswaggerduff8946]

1:24:59 "warhammer is great at naming things" I will never stop laughing at the fact the ravenguard primarchs name is Raven Raven

[@claytonwise5547]

Also Ferrus Manus meaning Iron hand

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

@@claytonwise5547 According to 1d4chan, about Ferrus Manus: "So in summary, Iron Hand, who had iron hands, was the leader of the Iron Hands, who give themselves iron hands in honour of the iron hands of Iron Hand of the Iron Hands. He gets really pissed off if you called him THE HANDS OF FATE."

[@novaiscool1]

Or that the land rader/speeder/crawler were all discovered by Arkhan Land.

[@raycearcher5794]

Actual Latin > Warhammer Latin > Harry Potter Latin

[@doot_slayer]

Wait, his name means what?

[@davidvidya9657]

Another irony in Horus' fate is the brothers he expected to join him defied him and those he thought were lacking were the ones who joined him. He really wanted Sanguinius by his side.

[@NateVHVT]

And Ferrus; I'm sure there's a quote from Horus that if they had Ferrus the war would have been over.

[@xanmontes8715]

He wanted Sanguinius over Angron, wanted Guilliman over Fulgrim, he wanted Russ over Magnus and Dorn over Perturabo.

[@davidgapidojr.6615]

One thing thats wholesome in magnus and the Big E was that since they were both psykers, they communicated with each other and when they met, they shook hands like old friends they haven't met in a while

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

Im finna cry

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

Poor Magnus.

[@derekburge5294]

Russ: Psykers bad. Hate 'em. Russ: Rune Priests are fine. Totally different. Russ: Because I said so. Whoof whoof.

[@heavystalin2419]

They are Corgimancers

[@derekburge5294]

@@heavystalin2419 You, sir, are a monster.

[@futtynucker5278]

Corgimancers! Whoof WHOOF!

[@robbomegavlkafenryka6158]

Russ was fine with Psykers, he just didn’t like how liberal the Thousand Sons were.

[@Blazo_Djurovic]

Just communing with friendly WOLF SPIRITS. NOTHING ELSE. Wolf spirits which aids one to cast all kind of warp (BLAM) wolf magic.

[@leroux9999]

Bricky: the salamanders are the nicest space marines Me: *sad lamenters cry*

[@professorpantherhardraad3921]

Well, I mean the Lamenters weren't a thing yet? But yes. Lamenters be the best nice guys.

[@derekburge5294]

To be perfectly fair though, Lamenter crying could simply be because it's Tuesday. WARP DRIVE FAILURE? WARP DRIVE FAILUUUUUURE?!?!

[@ThePuppy009]

He did say "legions" and not chapters so technically true to your statement

[@leroux9999]

@@professorpantherhardraad3921 they are the best boys in my heart

[@leroux9999]

@@derekburge5294 WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO DESERVE THIS FATE ??!

[@imboredhowru1]

Every time Bricky says "We'll have a whole episode on them", an angel gets its wings.

[@oldeskul]

Dark or Blood?

[@miguelperez9906]

@@oldeskul blood .... only angels may fly

[@Become-Eggplant]

@@oldeskul yes

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

@@miguelperez9906 amen Brother.

[@trevelyandovah8479]

​@@oldeskul Angels or Ravens?

[@anungunrama9344]

When your son has a bad dream so he turns you into a vegetable

[@MapleCakeTheLion]

"He turned the Emperor of Mankind into a pickle, it's the funniest thing I've ever seen."

[@ryanjoncas5146]

Eerily similar to how the star wars sequel trilogy ended up

[@Unknown-hb3id]

@@ryanjoncas5146 Screwed up the (Star Wars) universe, but not in the fun way like 40k does it.

[@Khornecussion]

@@MapleCakeTheLion " Dad, I've come to warn you that Horus is gonna do the funniest shit I've ever seen to you. "

[@midgetydeath]

So, the Star Wars sequels?

[@laurenbastin8849]

Magnus didn’t just have a bad day, he literally had his soul shattered and all the good bits got yoinked by Malcador, when Ahriman reassembled Magnus’s soul there was nothing left but his bitterness, misery and spite (and all that was before he transcended to demonhood, the great tragedy is that in a sense there is nothing left of the old Magnus in his current form but his hatred and melancholy, with just enough of him left to understand his situation and despise it.)

[@EvelynNdenial]

what actually happened to the rest of magnus' soul though?

[@laurenbastin8849]

@@EvelynNdenial Malcador took all of the benevolent fragments that represented Magnus at his best and combined them with the Loyalist Thousand Sons Captain Revielle Arvandor, which became Janus, the founder of the Grey Knights. Meanwhile, Ahriman collected the remaining fragments of Magnus and brought him back out of love and/or desperation, after which that Magnus would eventually transcend and become a daemon primarch

[@guyfieri148]

@@laurenbastin8849 there were also a few that were left floating around like the one jaghatai killed

[@redthunderboar1323]

This is a little wrong. We actually have multiple Magnus the Reds running around. We got the True to flesh Daemon one, when he became a Daemon upon arriving on the planet of sorcerers, but we also have the one Ahriman made. Sadly, the one made with Magnus's souls are much more under the control of Tzeentch than the initial Daemon.

[@kinagrill]

Like suddenly getting braindamage that leaves you fully sociopathic. not ability to feel or understand empathy towards others, etc.

[@shadowrobot7708]

Black rage was created by Sanguinius's death. When they are going through the black rage they see themselves as Sanguinius fighting Horus during the final moments of the Heresy. One Blood Angel(or successor not sure which) under the black rage was quoted saying "Why did you betray us Horus"

[@richardduska1558]

To sum up the events that led to the burning of Prospero: Magnus: Look at this Psyker shit dad! It's cool! Emp: Stop doing it! Magnus: But why? It looks usefull. Emp: JUST STOP! Magnus: BUT WHY!? Emp: I CAN'T TELL YOU!!!

[@derekdrake8706]

IIRC The Emperor did tell Magnus, Magnus just didn't believe him.

[@ZeroNumerous]

​@@derekdrake8706 Not just that, but Magnus's planet had summoning and cavorting with demons--which they called familiars--as part and parcel of the psyker training. The Emperor constantly warned Magnus throughout A Thousand Sons. Magnus was just too used to playing with demons that he literally didn't think of them as anything but pets. Magnus did everything wrong because he thought his dad was an out of touch boomer.

[@derekdrake8706]

@@ZeroNumerous Oh, yeah, I remember now. The uh.. the tutelaries? Magnus thought they were benevolent guardian spirits or something but they turned out to be demons. I guess his entire legion was possessed? Magnus made a deal with the devil, so to speak, to save them from a curse or mutation, right? And that's how everyone came to be possessed. IIRC the tutelaries turned on the legion when Prospero was attacked. The thing is, towards the end of the book, I got the feeling Magnus knew the whole time and not just because the Emperor kept warning him. Magnus couldn't save his sons by himself, so he was forced to make a deal with Tzeench and he lost his eye in that bargain. I think Magnus was desperately trying to convince himself that the demons weren't as bad as the Emperor said and was desperately trying to convince everyone else that he made the right decision. There's a lot of symbolism in Magnus giving up his eye to Tzeench because Magnus was willfully blind to the truth.

[@richardduska1558]

@@derekdrake8706 The legion did not know that these were demons, or that they were sentient. They looked at them as lesser warp enteties that they can use for training and for gaining knowlige.

[@midgetydeath]

That was after telepathically training Magnus before physically discovering his location. And all that time after until the Edict approving of Magnus and the Thousand Sons' approach. Reminds me of Lorgar.

[@shadesofdusk4031]

1:13:50 I love that in tts the emp mentioned how he marveled at the gaurdsman's massive plasteel nuts who stood between him and horus... then the moment was ruined because they couldn't let the little guy have a moment and like ten other super-dudes did the same thing back to back.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

I believe the fact it was a guardsman who acted first, an ordinary and slow human, then the supermen found their fortitude is the incredible thing. They should have beaten him to the punch by entire seconds. Had time to play a hand of space marines poker. Instead they got totally shamed by some nameless mcguardsman.

[@thewitch7342]

Nobody: Absolutely nobody: Not even the Emperor himself: Leman Russ: wof

[@Guille2033]

The Primarch of the Space Wulves

[@afl2138]

Who let the dogs out.. I'll get the rope...

[@leonardojose7209]

Wof

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

@@Guille2033 he drives the wolf tank in his wolf armor with his wold sword

[@meisterhyperion207]

Hi I know it's not a big mistake but Bricky said it so often wrong that I need to correct him: Angron didn't remove himself the parts of his brain that make him less angry. He got nails in his brain from his home planet. It was forced on him. Angron was actually the person that was wronged the most by the Emperor

[@ItamarO93]

He was also the one and only Primarch to fail at conquering the planet he landed on...

[@develtusletrin5410]

@@ItamarO93 you ever think Angron had a talk with Guilliman about Nuceria? I find it extremely hard for Angron, who’d wipe that planet faster than a Exterminatus fleet once he found out it was part of Ultramar to NOT atleast had some sort of discussion or altercation with Guilliman about it before the heresy

[@Guille2033]

@@ItamarO93 Mortarion technically failed too bc he didn't manage to defeat the plague lords ruling over his home planet

[@samuraibear5102]

I'd consider Konrad, Corvus, and Perty failures to since their worlds fail to piece without them

[@ItamarO93]

@@Guille2033 Kindda, but Morty failed at the very last leg, when he was about to off the last ones, and that is when Big E did a kill-steal. Angron wasn't even close, and was about to die had Big E chose to not interfere.

[@jsnmdn2738]

Please bring up Tuska "Daemon-Killa" in the Ork episode. He is really living the best Ork life.

[@THExRISER]

Damn right, our wish has been answered.

[@stankobarabata2406]

Ayyy, Tuska. Witnessed! Greatest Ork alive.

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

‘E’Z ON DA ORK GROINDSET!

[@you1027]

Thousand Suns and Space Wolves can come together on one thing: a fear of vacuum cleaners. In Russ's defense: he isn't NOT a psyker - all of the primarchs are to varying degrees - he just doesn't actively use those capacities in a flashy, outward manner like the sorcerer-y bois do. He deliberately plays the fool - the brute image is a facade - so that opponents underestimate him when he's actually a lot smarter and wiser than he lets on. Like he's fully aware of all of those tropes that assume, "big muscly bully man HAS to be dumb, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the scrawny nerd protag!" but this is Warhammer. Shit's not fair, and neither is he.

[@GhostDr3amer]

The angry got inflicted on Angron to make him more entertaining as a gladiator. Might have been a cool dude on his own.

[@unitedstatesofamerica4987]

It is sad Chilron seemed nice as heck

[@ffejpsycho]

His psychic gift was being able to "eat" the mental, emotional trauma and fears within another person by laying hands on them... Angron was intended to be a living beacon of peace, wellbeing, and giver of rejuvenation to those broken of self... Its why when emperor sees Angron acting all psychotic whirling dervish of brutality... He exclaims "My son, What have they done to you!!"

[@unitedstatesofamerica4987]

@@ffejpsycho That is why sometimes it's best You look to alt realities. Just to calm Your soul.

[@miguelperez9906]

Like he’s the only primarch to lead a falling revolt not even mortarion failed that badly he just could not beat one guy everyone else was defeated.

[@unitedstatesofamerica4987]

@@miguelperez9906 He only did not die because of His nature as a Primarch

[@infernaloz6486]

The worst thing about Fulgrim killing Ferrus is that the two were actually close to each other and both hoped to convince the other to turn to their side. Ferrus was derided as the ugliest of the Primarchs yet the most perfect Primarch befriended him and treated him with respect and fraternal love.

[@95keat]

20:00 The actual events are even worse than this because Magnus was so intimidated by the angry emperor that he left without even telling him horus went traitor.

[@thebestbuckethead]

My favorite part about the Admech fighting in the Horus Heresy is that there's one small faction of them called the Ordo Reductor, who all stayed loyal, for a good reason. They were given liberties and freedoms, such as inventing, not given to other admech groups, and they were excited to see what their inventions could do to space marines. In a book they're in, their shock troops would melt Marines fairly easily.

[@thenerfkid9228]

based as hell.

[@philip8498]

What heretics...

[@TheDatastalker]

DK: Boy I bet Emps is regretting what he did to Lorgar right about now. Me: At this point, his only regret is he didn't finish the job.

[@wawawuu1514]

This sounds like Emps wanted to kill Lorgar originally, which I heavily doubt was ever the case. Even Malcador acknowledges "we probably went too far with Lorgar".

[@yokgor4675]

“I cannot understate how dead he is” 😂

[@minecrafter8589]

8:30 Angron did not give himself the butchers nails, he did however give his legion the nails.

[@rtstrong]

You *NAILED* it.

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

Yeah, there's a bit of tragedy to Angron becoming super angry. The nails were designed for humans not primarch, so they did some "brain surgery" to Angron to get the nails in which did even more damage and was actually killing him slowly. The nails were about to kill him during his fight against Rpboute Guilliman which is why Lorgar turned him into a demon prince. The world eaters' librarians actually tried to stop Lorgar, but the other world eaters killed them. Now instead of the death he probably desired, Angron is eternally angry. In a way, the Emperor never found Angron, he died on Nuceria.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@Turk3YbAstEr Emps also massively screwed Angron over. Angron had sworn to fight and die at the side of his brothers and sisters in the slave army. But Emps decided that his crusade was more important than honor and *teleported* Angron onto his ship. Into a cell guarded by custodians. Where they held him at bay like a rabid animal. And Emps *could* have tried removing the nails, but there was a chance that Angron would die and Emps all his tools for as long as possible. So he gave this unstable berserker who *hated his guts and everything he stood for* a *legion* and *let him* subject the astartes to the butcher's nails. Emps is *worst parent ever.*

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@brigidtheirish Absolutely not. Yes, the Emperor teleported Angron away, but Angron was literally insane from the nails and was choosing death over life. If you confined your son due to his insanity, trying to save his life, then would you be the worst parent? Of course not. Yes, the Emperor could have teleported down instead, but teleportation isn't exact and there's a chance Angron wouldn't have been reinforced. He chose the certainty of saving his son over the uncertainty of his survival. The Emperor additionally DID try to remove the Nails, applying all of his genecraft to the effect, and realized doing so would kill Angron. The nails replaced substantial parts of Angron's brain and spinal column. Removing them would have killed him. There wasn't a "chance" to die, but it was a certainty. If you refused to kill your own son, would you be the worst parent? Of fucking course not. Finally, Angron butchered tons of his own sons, including all of his Legion's officer core, and only stopped when Kharn said the Legion would put the Nails in their own brains to be more like Angron. The Emperor had nothing to do with the World Eaters being fucked over by Angron. The War Hounds chose to mutilate themselves because they loved their dad. If the Emperor saw Angron as a tool, then wouldn't he have stopped Angron from ruining his OTHER tool?

[@brigidtheirish]

@@ZeroNumerous Would a good parent have saved his son's life with no explanation as to why except that the expectation of obedience? Would a good parent have left the people who raised his son to *die?* Do you give your clearly insane son *command over a legion?* I also get the distinct impression that Emps simply didn't *care* what happened to the legions if their corresponding primarchs weren't there.

[@jasonlincoln7863]

One guardsman stands true, before a Primarch of all men and in the face of death. May his name, forgotten by all, be thought of as the name of a hero. No Astartes, Custodes, Nay, even the Emperor himself, knows the courage of mortal man who stands before the most fearful of men, whence he says prayer to heretical gods and chambers a final shell, for he is powerful. He may yet live. But man, as weak as he may be, has will, and he will save the Milky Way.

[@Jamhael1]

All hail Ollanius Pius, Holy Saint of the Imperium, Patron of the Astra Militarum, and the representation of the sheer audacity and spite that Humanity can show towards anything who dares to fuck with us, including Hell itself.

[@jawllypop1750]

And the death of Sanguinius also started the universal holiday of Sanguinala. A month long celebration of Sanguinius' life but also the Blood Angels crying thier eyes out all month.

[@tucan6376]

I burst into an unrelenting stream of tears whenever Sanguinius' death is mentioned.

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

You, me, and the rest of the blood angels…

[@dinodude6992]

Shy is the 3rd ork god, there's gork, mork, and shork

[@jacobfreeman5444]

The cutest, most diminutive waaaaaaaaaagh to ever be heard.

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

So you're telling me the space sharks are... _orks_

[@theenderdestruction2362]

@@jacobfreeman5444 WHAT DID YOU SAY

[@homelessstone7674]

Speaking of Istvaan 3, DK must now listen to Rylanor's Last Stand by Stringstorm. The Ancient of Rites must be heard by all. Plus it has the 1k Sons in it so DK will be happy.

[@raistlinmajere5550]

the scariest part of the warhammer universe is when the jocks win

[@fishsing7713]

In short, Horus boy got in-lore retconned by the Big E Man

[@bonogiamboni4830]

He got Lost Primarched.

[@trevelyandovah8479]

D E L E T E

[@DRsatanus]

you know how in 300 the spartans went "HAOOU HAOOU HAOOU" as a battlecry? spacewolves go " AWOO AWOO AWOO"...this is cannon and you can not change my mind, thank you

[@jbark678]

*Hyperventilates in Heresy*

[@BAGELMENSK]

I mean they definitely howl that's not debatable. Whether its an...... "AWOO" is another matter entirely.

[@DRsatanus]

@@BAGELMENSK oh it is 100% awoo...and the say it with "UwU" face

[@futtynucker5278]

@@DRsatanus now THAT smells like some HERESY!!!

[@henrypaleveda7760]

bellowing in muddy waters: How How How How!

[@turtleemperor1446]

My personal favorite was this. Bricks: "I can not understate *inhales* HOW DEAD HE IS!''

[@Kareszkoma]

The Blood Angels going mad at Sanguinius's death is an understatement. So very much. The Blood Angels were Vicious before their Primarchs. They were so bloodthirsty, they occasionally ripped ally Space Marine apart in their rampages. They were multiple times more effective in melee compared to their cousins. Nigh unstoppable monsters, who were tamed by Sanguinius. This big difference between a legion and their Primarch. An angel vs a devil. But when he died, the Black Rage surfaced. All that, was not just simply unleashed at it's full potential. Every Blood Angel marine, became like rage and adrenalin wired monsters. Thirsting for blood, death, suffering, and vengeance. They killed their enemies, tore them apart and unleashed terror and blood. They sprinted through the battlefield, through crossfire, in a speed that was inhuman even compared to Astarte. Than.. they started slaughtering them. They cut the enemy to pieces, punched and mauled them to death, tore out their limbs, and executed them, if they survived any of that. Each Blood Angel Astarte killing thrice in but moments. It was like a wave of carnage and madness descending on the battlefield. It wasn't a battlefield anymore. It was a slaughterhouse. I would guess, This is why Khorne wanted the Blood Angels and Sanguinius. They were noble, they were beautiful, and yet they were carnage. But he was denied of them and Sanguinius.

[@cmmagamers]

"The main four." He says while forgetting the guy who put the Heresy on his back, Perturabo.

[@DerRotSpassvogel]

I'm sitting here, listening to this, painting an Armiger Warglaive in Party Rock style. This is the only appropriate way I can think to experience this Heretical time

[@homelessstone7674]

Also, Magnus did everything wrong. 1. He admits that whoever created the psychic barrier had a psychic power greater than his own. How many beings in the universe outrank Magnus? Like 2 people and a couple daemons? Comeon man. 2. If he couldn't reach E-Money next on his speed dial should've been good ol' Malcador. 3. Didn't think that not seeing his own fate in the vision was fishy af.

[@fimbulvetr4895]

This is accurate AF

[@Nxtl68]

I just found about you guys recently, and I love your content. As a relative noob to the franchise these videos are great. Keep up the awesome work.

[@Hiihtopipa]

@@wandiriswan6116 hes edgelordness gets real annyoing real quick :D

[@stankobarabata2406]

"Shy might very well be an Eldritch horror" - D.K. "We truly don't know what Shy is" - Bricky Circa 2021

[@oldeskul]

I know you had to leave out a lot or this podcast would have been 12 hours long. During the whole lead in to Horus making a bee line to Terra, Leman Russ along with the Space Wolves legion went out and took the fight to Horus. He managed to board the Vengeful Spirit, murdered his way through thousands of Sons of Horus, then too his personal weapon, the Spear of the Emperor, and impaled Horus with it. When it came time to lay the finishig stroke on Horus, the only thing that stayed the Wolf King's hand was his compassion for his brother, which gave Horus enough time to pull himself back up to his feet and strike Leman down. The only thing that saved the Wolf King's life was all the Wolf Guard charged forward and fought Horus back so they could Teleport Leman to safety. The only reason why the Space Wolves didn't participate in the Siege on Terra is because Leman Russ was laid up with a near-fatal injury and his legion refused to leave his side. During the Siege of Pluto, Rogal Dorn and the Imperial Fists fought back Alpharius and the Alpha Legion. Dorn being the superior combatant to Alpharius did a Mortal Kombat Fatality to the Primarch of the Alpha Legion. Dorn grabbed Alpharius' spear, yanked it out of his hands, rammed it through his armor, throughthe power pack and into the floor, then took his big ass chainsword, Storm's Teeth, and carved Alpharius up like a Thanksgiving turkey. Shortly before, during and after the Siege of Terra(my timeline might be off here), Lion El'Johnson was absolutely destroying all of the traitors' homeworlds. He was virus bombing them, sending exterminatus strikes, basically turning all the worlds the traitor legions called home and/or recruited from, into dead balls of glass. Y'all didn't even get into the great scouring where all the loyalists(space marines and normal humans) put so much hurt on all the traitors(traitor space marines, traitor guardsmen, traitor navy) that nearly all of them that survived fled to the Eye of Terror.

[@astaven9439]

Since you're accepting that "well actually" comments will happen: WELL ACTUALLY... The Black Rage is just the state of homicidal rage, in which any Blood Angels suffering from it believe themselves to be Sanguinius and all other animated creatures besides any Blood Angels to be Horus. The vampire part comes in with the Red Thirst, which is a thing that had indeed been around since the start of the legion. A Blood Angel can suffer from one without the other, but any that fall to the Black Rage tend to fall to the Red Thirst shortly after due to not having the mental wherewithal to deny it.

[@bloodfartmoon2765]

The whole "they think they are sanguinius" part is wrong i think since Cassor was very much aware he wasnt sanguinius

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@bloodfartmoon2765 It's a matter of degrees. Some who have succumbed to the Black Rage have some awareness of their plight. Others no longer realize who they are.

[@lordadorable7362]

@@Gustav_Kuriga the black rage is an interesting affliction. It's different for everyone who has it, though no doubt there will be similar experiences between some

[@MrMelanion]

"Could sanguinius beat Horus if we wasn't injured?" At least on old lore it states that sanguinius was never as powerful as Horus, least with him wounded

[@Guille2033]

Also Horus was super duper powerful bc of the gifts from the Chaos Gods so yeah, no chance for our Sangui boy

[@shadowrobot7708]

@@Guille2033 He might have lasted long enough for the Emperor to arrive

[@Guille2033]

@@shadowrobot7708 maybe, but he couldn't have beaten him for sure which is what we're talking about

[@nicoyoung8019]

@@Guille2033 there is a non cannon theory about that battle. It goes that Sanguinus actually killed Horus. After doing so it drove him into the red thirst. Seeing this the Emperor put him down with great sadness. This is what caused the black rage. The Emperor having to kill both of his favorite sons caused a huge backlash in psychic energy. It imprinted the black rage into the Blood Angels geneseed. They covered it up to save the memory and made it a holiday.

[@Dentson]

My dude you dropped this at 4 in the morning and I haven't slept yep. But you bet your ass I'll listen to this now

[@anungunrama9344]

Nice

[@GabrielLopez-mo2xo]

Bricky: I gotta talk about someone from istvan 3 Me: ques up rylanors last stand Bricky: Nathaniel garro Me: rylanor deserves better than all of us

[@TheSp0kesman]

Riots have been started for a lot less in the Imperium... *slowly reaches for chainsword and torch*

[@PobortzaPl]

The one who warned others about virus bombing AND told Garro about Horus treachery was Saul Tarvitz, the greatest captain Emperor's Children ever had.

[@hiddenhundred8565]

Tarvitz was also one of the captains with Loken who was able to lead the loyal badasses into forcing the traitors to be stuck there a ton longer then needed, Tarvitz, Rylanor, and Loken need to be talked about eventually!

[@Ba55a77ack]

So that's how emps became a skeleton, didn't know he had a diet of sacrifices though ;;>.> The space wolves whoo whoo whoo whoo thing killed me XD

[@dazmaster22]

My favorite fannon for the Emps v horus fight is that Sanguinius actually won the fight by falling to the black rage, and Emps was unable to kill his loyal angel boy, this being why he got bodied and was unable to kill his loyal son who had, in his service, given himself to the darkest part of himself, and lied to everyone about what happened/others lied after the fact.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

I know the lore just fine. I am mostly here to listen to DK's reactions to the lunacy of the setting.

[@TheBaggyc]

MINOR SPOILERS ! MINOR SPOILERS ! MINOR SPOILERS ! In the new Siege of Terra books we actually see how the myth of Olanius Pius confronting Horus came about. It wasn't Horus he confronted, it was Angron. Plus he didn't just confront him, he shot Angron in the face with a Plasma Gun. It didn't do much but it was still badass.

[@centric3125]

He shot a guy who didn't give a fuck about getting stepped on by a TITAN in the face with a Plasma Gun? And didn't get turned into a colossal Rorshach Inkblot by Angron going Sweeney Todd on him?

[@brigidtheirish]

I kinda like the perpetual thing with Vulcan because it has some interesting character development potential. Like what'd happen to his mind after being tortured to death multiple times.

[@brandonford1753]

I'm pretty sure it was revealed in one of the later books in the Heresy that Emps plan in sending Leman was to have him bring Magus back to Terra to have Magnus sit on the Golden Throne in Emps place so Emp could go out and shut Horus down but Horus changing Lemans orders ruined that causing the Heresy to become full swing.

[@Tucker0603]

Hey, don't insult my Sisters of Silence like that, they good quiet grills that just wanna do their best. Also the first models I ever bought along with my personal Imperial knight. Also Russ wasn't actually stoked about killing magnus, despite their differences he was still his brother. He doesn't so much regret doing what he did, but he wished it hadn't come to that(cause of course he didn't know horus was the big evil).

[@Darkwings01]

Considering how much DK loves the AdMech, you should tell him about the war on Mars and the Titan War that took place during the heresy. That shit is so fucking mind blowing, its why I love Titans so much!

[@InquisitorKryptman]

And as the Heresy became a distant memory, brothers became cousins, legions broken into chapters and the Primarchs faded into myth and legend.

[@ItamarO93]

Magnus is a good, good boy that did some wrong, and deserves forgiveness

[@heavystalin2419]

You are a terrible liar, Magnus

[@supremetarantulasorcerer165]

I mean he was a disobeying prick that wanted to be cool like Russ but ended up having his soul shafted,his back broken,and nearly all of his Legion turned to dusty toy soldiers But maybe if the nice parts of his soul came back and the emperor gave him a psychic hug I'd love to see them makeup :)

[@Kfaircloth13457]

Magnus did nothing wrong. Big E was a horrible father.

[@ItamarO93]

@@Kfaircloth13457 Yes, Big E was a horrible father. Magnus was told to leave well enough alone, But didn't. He also didn't aske Why.

[@xanmontes8715]

Magnus did nothing, and that was wrong.

[@Dragonspirit223]

Custodes clearing up the Webway break in the Imperial Palace: Yep. Magnus did NOTHING WRONG. Just clearing up this here nothing wrong.

[@imaclone2]

Well Bricky definitely doesn't remember the book "Burning of Prospero" very well because Leman was majorly bummed about having to fight Magnus and spent a good chunk of the book talking about not wanting to do it but it was his and the space wolves job.

[@tossthegoats4280]

Man, this is like the third video i've listened to where Bricky mentions Bloodthirsters. Y'all should do an episode on Khorne so he finally knows just how scary those are.

[@AClockworkWizard]

The Red Thirst is the vampiric bloodlust thing for the Blood Angels. The Black Rage is a Blood Angel mentally reliving the assault on the Vengeful Spirit from Sanguinius' point of view.

[@MrBenMcLean]

This "eldar child" was a witch and wasn't about to put her psyker powers in the service of humanity. She could have opened a warp rift to let Slaanesh demons into real space at any moment. Vulkan was just doing his job.

[@dhawkeye4439]

And also, like, xenos bad

[@Pragabond]

Jesus CHRIST dude

[@anthraxgamma05]

Nathaniel Garro got warned by a Emperors Childen Captain named Saul Tarvitz. Garro saved him when he was flying to Istvaan III with a Stormbird when he got intercepted by Fighters. After that he flew the System with his Cruiser Ironstone and warned other Primarchs :)

[@johnaxios6335]

To add to the EPIC Back-Breaker list. Sanguinius after DAYS of fighting traitors and daemons in front of the Eternity Gate and even having a short fight with Angron. Fought and RUINED Ka’Bandha, arguably THE MAIN Blood Thirster of Khorne, by RIPING OFF HIS WINGS and BREAKING HIS FUCKING SPINE UPON HIS KNEE. But not only that, Sanguinius then dragged Ka'Bandha and THREW HIS RUINED CARCASS off the walls of the Imperial Palace. This, I honestly believe, is the most METAL thing Sanguinius has ever done.

[@asimplearc3245]

Alpharius is dead but omegon is alive and trying to help the imperials in anyway he can

[@RobbieJacobs_Talks]

59:32 guardsman on the left side - "I did nothing wrong!!!! I'm joining Chaos!"

[@francescolombardi3438]

did someone say..."Joining Chaos?!" uh ohhhhhhh SMASH IT

[@Sammonoske]

EoM: Ya know, we could preform surgeries on the Emperor and maybe he will recover before his body begins to decay. Also EoM: Nah, lets sacrifice thousands of lives.

[@11Survivor]

*IoM It's Imperium, not Empire.

[@aaronstorey9712]

The damage he sustained couldn't be fixed through surgeries. Also without him on the throne terra would fall to demonic invasion and quite possibly could become a second eye of terror

[@sclint1427]

". . .its so sad. . .sanguinius died from ligma. . ." "No he didn't. He perished from m-" *"Ligma balls"* *>Horus was banned from the timeline*

[@JackMorrison-s76]

In the words of the Emperor using a Text to Speech device, "For a regular Guardsman, that man had such titanic _fucking_ *balls* that I want to vigorously _applaud_ him just thinking about it."

[@goliath1179]

“Luetin will be at my door with a gun” made me laugh so fucking hard

[@JCHauntsman]

There's WAY more than 11 Horus Heresy books. We're almost up to 60...

[@raver377]

he was talking about major ones.

[@retramonnfriends1513]

I laughed my ass off in shock when you said volcan burned a eldar child becomes he was angry. I want to know the story behind that. Wtf.

[@KaiHarper89]

It's in "Vulcan Lives", if you'd forgotten about this and didn't end up doing research.

[@royalcrow3364]

No one: Absolutely no one: Not a singular soul: Big Empanada: *alt F4’s Horus so hard he is written out of existence

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Battle of Calth deserves its own full episode - Know No Fear may be the best heresy book

[@Gus-dj1ub]

Bricky: Salamanders are my favorite Space Marine legion. Night Lords: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@kelvintorres6142]

“This place was Istvan Threeeeee and we are here upon its corpse on the grave that was left behind”

[@poweredbycoffee1707]

Flashing a headshot of Mortarion just as Bricky is saying how "not everyone is going to turn traitor" warms a Nathaniel Garro-sized piece of my heart.

[@Southerly93]

Alpharius died fighting Rogal Dorn in the siege of Terra. Really epic fight. You should definitely look into it.

[@punkhippe]

"Or is that just want I wanted you to think" Alpharius

[@ZeroNumerous]

Alpharius was supposedly killed by Rogal Dorn on Pluto. Alpharius supposedly reappeared on Ullanor after that. Then Alpharius was supposedly killed again by Guilliman during the Scouring--the post-Heresy fighting to cleanse the traitors. He never reappears after that.

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

Pretty fun to hear about Bricky emphasising how hard Horus' soul got killed, now that it's been pseudo-retconned.

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

Wait how did it get pseudo-retconned? I haven’t gotten to finish the Siege of Terra yet…

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

@@brotherkhrayn3525 For years, it was said that the Emperor giga-blasts Horus' soul and utterly obliterates it, destroying any remnants of his soul. As of the End and the Death, that's no longer the case - he's killed with an ancient dagger, instead, and the Emperor directly tells him that he will 'wait' for him.

[@Kulunu1992WOW]

"Only Legion who puts civilian lives above their own" The month of shame want a talk with you XD.

[@unitedstatesofamerica4987]

Space Wolves and Salamanders are the two You can trust will protect You no matter what.

[@unitedstatesofamerica4987]

@BenjaminTheRogue For those We cherish...

[@brigidtheirish]

@@unitedstatesofamerica4987 *WE DIE IN GLORY!*

[@ZeroNumerous]

To clarify: The Space Wolves didn't put civilians above them. They put the Guardsmen they fought with above their own lives. The honor between warriors wouldn't let them stand by and watch as the Inquisition exterminated the Guard on Armageddon for the high crime of seeing the Grey Knights.

[@zenoblues7787]

That was after the Horus Heresy before and during they were proper asshats who recklessly endangered their allies and civilians alike.

[@Chriskritical]

yea the emperors reluctance to body horus really had long long LONG lasting reprecussions but its understandable

[@thegleeman7535]

An episode on the admech in the heresy would be fun. They have a lot of really cool stories with what happened to them.

[@StoneColdSteel]

No, an Emperors Children Captain named Saul Tarvits figured out what happened on Istvan 3, Garro was the one that escaped and warned the emperor

[@samargrewal929]

1:01:45 he fight the greatest bloodthirster of khorne ka'bandha

[@Lacklustergamer83]

Thank you guys for posting your content on youtube. It has made my long work commutes far more tolerable, and has furthered both my knowledge and enjoyment of the 40k lore!

[@aphophisuralt233]

Can't wait till they talk about Tyranids.

[@Shooter762]

A force of Dark Angles and scattered elements of the Shattered Legions also made it to Terra in time for the Siege.

[@saltystrip8761]

Weekly episodes? “This is where the fun begins”

[@philipschorr5145]

You can tell Khan wasn't also teleported onto the vengeful spirit because he'd have been the first person to get to horus, and that's with sanguinis's teleporter malfunctioning dropping him off right in front of horus.

[@Angel0fSleep]

Nathaniel Garrow was warned by the Emperor's Children captain Saul Tarvitz. Tarvitz was the one who gave the warning to those on the surface. Garrow just ran away to warn the Imperium. Tarvitz was the real hero.

[@PobortzaPl]

YES! Saul Tarvitz, a guy passed gor promotion in Emperor's Children, becimes the commander of all loyal firces on Istvaan 3!

[@kurtl8425]

@@PobortzaPl I love the scene of the Emperors Children taking shelter from the virus bombs and following firestorms with the World Eaters. Trying to avoid the subject of Angron having turned traitor and sent them down to the planet to die.

[@Brutalyte616]

I personally subscribe to the idea of Ollanius Pious being the one who stood between Horus and the broken Emperor, but I also choose to believe that the Custodes and Blood Angel Terminator were right there behind him to shield the Emperor.

[@nebeskisrb7765]

I like how, in Bricky's story, even as he is about to fight Sanguinius, Horus sounds like he thinks he's doing the right thing. But when you look at that picture of the Emps and Horus facing off, Horus is chock full of skulls and heads and, I think, even flayed faces. How the hell can you look at that and still think you're doing the right thing is beyond me.

[@cjstanky]

Chaos is a hell of a drug

[@geoffreykandolo973]

The fact that no one talks about the Lion saddens me .

[@NayrAnur]

Yeah, what happened to Lion?

[@unitedstatesofamerica4987]

@@NayrAnur Coma Sleeping in The Rock

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Maybe because he is almost as useful as a housecat

[@heavystalin2419]

Space -Wolves- Corgis

[@LordGame2222]

just found this series. Please tell me that the space wolves going "WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF" becomes a permanent thing

[@Voltamatum]

It can as long you believe it be