The Unknown History of Islam 05 - Modern Mecca, Ancient Qibla, Part 2

For almost fourteen centuries, billions of Muslims have accepted the traditional dates and historical accounts of the primary sources of Islam, never questioning their accuracy or authenticity. However...
Recent historical and archaeological discoveries reveal troubling inaccuracies in the traditional dates of the birth of Islam, it’s prophet, it’s book, and its major milestones, including the biographical accounts of Muhammad, the Uthmanic recension of the Quran, and the collection of Hadith.
Islam, as Muslims know it today, no longer holds true in terms of its origin, documents, holy city, or qibla.
Join Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith in this new video series by CIRA International Media as they examine all of these inaccuracies and share many shocking new revelations concerning the origin of Islam and its history.
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[@prayingpatriot8018]

J-Smith is 100% correct. Just like in Mormonism, it took ex-Mormons/Biblical Scholars/Historians/Anthropologists etc to debunk Mormonism. Same with Islam.

[@fredkiyk3103]

Great job brothers. The sad news is that my Muslim folks are not interested in the truth.

[@gabrielmoses8505]

Because they are Jahhilliyah ( ignorant ) people

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

I grieve for Muslims who blindly follow Muhammad without THINKING. If someone could prove my Jesus was a lie, I would be absolutely devastated, but would have to accept the truth. Praise God Christianity has passed the test!

[@mariahvilla2138]

We should keep praying to our heavenly Father to open the muslims hearts and unveil their eyes to find Jesus. God loves them and on His time He will come to them. 💜💜💜💜💜

[@domingodavid1012]

@@mrkashka0 He is not God because He was killed? how if He was not killed i make Him God?

[@juerbert1]

@@mrkashka0 , "No-one takes MY Life, *I* MYSELF lay down MY Life (for you, race of Adam) and also take it up again !" [John 10:14_18.]

[@GedaliahAR]

Another Fab video brother Alfadi, stay blessed...💖💖🙏🙏🙏

[@shalomex-muslims2991]

Thank you Brothers Al & Jay for this brilliant series concentrating on all the critical issues in Islam proofs again over and over that Islam is a pagan dead cult. The photos and images are amazing. I will share the series also on my Facebook - The Deception of Allah. Shalom and God bless.

[@esuobongndong5423]

Wow! These expositions are out of this World in terms of enlightenment! God bless the work you're doing!

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

It really is amazing how accurate the Arabs were in their directions. And this proves they're not dummies, so why can't they think critically about Islam?

[@najabs123]

You talk about critical thinking but have you tried verifying all the claims made in the video? The answer is no. Nothing makes sense and it even qualify as conjecture because it is so factually incorrect.

[@Earthen_Mystique]

Khalid Ibn al-Walid uh, so there are things cause factual truths which are what we would consider to be empirical, capable of being verified by describing its physical qualities. Mentioning the discrepancy in direction is not conjuncture... Also consider the specialty in those conducting the research; are they trust worthy to their own peers? Are the trustworthy outside their peers? I think the people who are hurt are probably stuck between the truth devotion dilemma...

[@foundthetruth2003]

Because if Christ is the truth then Islam is a lie from Satan, that’s the whole point..deception.

[@Leuthen57]

@@najabs123you’re either willfully ignorant or down right deceitful.

[@FaithBiete]

Wow!! Never knew about this. This is gold

[@SzTz100]

I'm a Muslim, this is great research.

[@gabrielmoses8505]

Thanks for your knowledge.. it's very informative..

[@renee6989]

This topic to me is so fascinating. I recommend everyone to purchase Robert Spencer’s book did Muhammad exist. Wonderful information on the earliest (or lack of) accounts of a Muhammad, a Quran, and any mention of Islam.

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

Thanks Al! I can't imagine that turmoil Muslims must feel when confronted with this historical data. If someone somehow proved my Jesus wasn't who he said he was, it would devastate me and billions of people. Praise Jesus Yeshua we have passed the test!

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

Muhammed Kader Prove what? That Islam is a contrived Governmental System that has a religion called Islam? It really doesn't matter what information I would give to you Muhammed. You wouldn't believe me anyhow. Here you are listening to these two intelligent Scholars and you don't even HEAR what they are saying, so why would you believe me? A multitude of Scholars have PROVED that Islam is FAKE- and I have no idea how that must make you feel. If you are wanting me to prove that Jesus is real, and the Word of God made flesh.....all I have is my Spirit which has JOY unlimited, happiness, unconditional love for all humanity, and a passion for YOU to know the free salvation you are missing. You can't WORK your way to Heaven, Muhammed, you can't do ANYTHING to make YHWH happy except love him. He wants your love NOT YOUR GUILT RIDDEN FEAR.

[@thorgt8197]

Mohammad... People wear many masks. I think every muslim in their heart of hearts know Islam is oppressive and vile. Islam is so unholy, I can't comprehend how muslims can't see it, or think for themselves to come to that conclusion. Any 54 yr old man who has sex with a 9yr old child, is NO prophet of God. I don't care what century we're talking about. And even if you say your "Allah" sanctioned it, then its not God, its satan.

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

ThorGT I agree Thor. It is a rare occurrence to see JOY and contentment in the eyes of a Muslim. Their facial expressions are all flat or borderline angry. Even the eyes of women peeking out of their Niqab do not show happiness. It is confounding to me that Muslims don't even KNOW they are miserable. Think of the BILLIONS of humans who have born the weight of Islam throughout the Centurys. So sad!

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

Muhammed Kader Universities do not hand out Doctorates to fakes, Mo. Jay Smith has his PHD. Islamic Scholars study ONLY Islamic texts. How can a scholar be a scholar if all he has studied is such limited information? I can study Islam all day long for years, but THAT DOESNT MAKE ISLAM TRUE. Open your mind Mo. Think outside the Kaa'ba box. Why are you here on this KZbin comment section in the first place, if somewhere deep inside you want to KNOW what Jay and Al Fadi are saying? Are you here for Dawah? Ha! No one here wants to be a miserable Muslim, not when we have JOY and assurance of our Salvation through Jesus Messiah.

[@thorgt8197]

Linda, there is no happiness in Islam. There is no enjoying any type of music in Islam, except the call to prayer. There is no dancing in Islam. There is no freedom of self expression in Islam. There is no love of animals, especially the Dog, in islam. If you hate dogs, you've got to be a miserable person.The only time I see muslims smiling or joking around, is when they are ridiculing the non-muslim or a jihadi blows themselves up and praises "ALLAH"! Hey, if you spell Mohammad's name backwards, it sounds like a French preserve like Bonne Maman Strawberry preserves... Dam Mah Mo..."Have you tried the new Islamic preserves, Dam Mah Mo?"

[@alfredomontealegre7132]

The evidence is overwhelming that the early qiblas pointed to Petra and not Mecca. Petra also fits perfectly as the "forbidden place" described in the Qur'an. There are olives there but not in Mecca. There are so many inconsistencies in the Muslim narrative as to render it very dubious indeed when the foundational stories don't stand up to close scrutiny. That's why I am a kafir.

[@thomasanderson1416]

A mosque in India during the lifetime of Muhammad?! I find that hard to believe.

[@thomasanderson1416]

abhishek ganguly not during the lifetime of Muhammad.

[@albertpurification985]

Dr.jay ,you are the best apologist among any one of the world.I like you most.

[@user-ex9pc9ps8x]

Absolutely right: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.

[@anginbayu1911]

very interesting info. tqvm for both of you 😃

[@dukeschomberg5272]

Very informative. Will Islam stand up to textual criticism?

[@fvillag1]

NOPE.

[@Leuthen57]

No they’ll harass and DOX anyone who calls out the truth.

[@einc70]

Hi dr. Fayi. Do you have a paypal account for CIRA international? Thank you.

[@folkaxx5220]

When history is more is scarier than another holy book

[@enzoru]

You haven't added this video to the playlist yet.

[@raedwulf61]

Very interesting. It looks like the between Qiblas point to the area of Dedan/Al-Ula. Doubly interesting as this is an ancient settlement and oasis with tombs and a complex.

[@EvelynKoch]

It really satisfies my western curiosity. But I wonder if there's any text or video in full fusa Arabic for the ones that actually live by this.

[@suranjandas1985]

Greetings. Thank you for your fearless work. Could you also throw some light on the Ummayad Khalifat, who temporarily shifted the pilgrimage of haj from the kabah in mecca to the masjid al aqsa in Jerusalem, Or make a video on it also if that's possible. Thank you.

[@darthcalanil5333]

7:45 wow. I actually live in a town near Hama. Gotta check that Mosque for sure :D

[@otegbeyeraphael6433]

Great

[@winnietpooh6999]

Wonderful hidden knowledge - many thanks and God Bless.

[@alexreid-wh9gq]

Just goes to show,.....Muslims are making it all up on the hoof. The Muslims won't even look at anything that contradicts their desert mind set. A pity really.

[@Lachezariii]

God Bless you, you are amazing!!!

[@winstonmaraj8029]

Yo so where is the follow up to this video?

[@paulcheong4419]

wow great job...Praise the Lord

[@andrewmutiemulandi1090]

History is shaped by truth.

[@ruhul_akhlaqshahi3727]

Back in the day they didn’t have google map or sophisticated compass to accurately point direction. You cannot expected precise accuracy of direction from general public building a mosque. Even to this day there are mosques which is few degrees off from actual direction. Not all mosques are built by graduate architects.

[@kingswarriors243]

Watch Dan Gibson, he has researched this.. confirms Jay Smiths claims.

[@raedwulf61]

Jay Smith is relying on Gibson's work for much of this.

[@thermionic1234567]

Aren’t kaabas mobile? Perhaps that’s why the kibla changed.

[@ivasceo9304]

😂 jay acting as if he cracked the code....

[@jumanas3849]

I’ve been considering to convert to Christianity for couple months, but I have a problem with what they say about “ you can find pornography in the Bible “ is that true? I tried to read the Bible but I couldn’t understand?

[@whosweptmymines3956]

I know this is an old comment,, but no, that isn't true. I don't know why they would say that. The closest they could get is the love poetry in the Song of Songs, which is nothing like pornography. I hope God will guide you to the truth.

[@aamersuhail123]

Muslims will see it yet vil say NO

[@TheENDjoy]

Aamer Suhail they been brainwashed

[@joellandry9349]

So do the Muslim sources give higher value to prayer due to accuracy of direction of prayer? I mean how many degrees can prayers be off by to be valid? Did the prayers of Muslims in the first century cancel each other off? If Muslims face each other when they pray is it a sin? Where was Allah to guide the Muslims during the kihbla direction revolution? Which prayers from which direction got answered? I know these are ridiculous questions because Islam is based of superstition and ridiculous teachings! Muslims, Jesus loves you even as Muslims and he doesn't care which way you face...He only cares about you sincerity in prayer and your will to become a good person. God bless!

[@yuliuswijayanto843]

If you mentioned that "our book was corrupted" please show us the proofs... but when you said "your book is not corrupted, the evidence says the opposite...

[@thomasanderson1416]

Guys are you sure this is not sample biased?

[@thomasanderson1416]

never mind, first mosque facing Mecca is in Pakistan 727ad.

[@AronAroniteOnlineTV]

Jesus story doesn't pass the test of secular historical revision dude.Its good secular revision destroys all religious fundamentalism!

[@RafikKhan-ol4zk]

what surprises me is the muslims believe in Jesus .the jews hate Jesus but the jews will be liked and the muslim.will be hated

[@hasbiyas]

look properly at the Globe Mr. Smith.

[@stevenjohnson-yx1fl]

Islame was invented by arabs over 600 years after christ and before that it was a pagan religion that worshipped Artemis the moon god

[@iskakov2579]

So basically this channel is about how islam is false and that it is just a plagiarized religion. Now im going to binge all your videos

[@logicalreasoning1088]

So just for your information. Let me educate you before you get too excited! 1. Jay Smith has been caught lying on multiple occasions! This means that if he lived in the time of Hadith, his would not be accepted as he would have a track record of lying to deceive. 2. Ali ibin Abu Taleb the prophets First cousin, compiled the Quran in Chronological order. He didn’t put it out there, so as to not have two different compilations (content all present just different order). He compared what he had to what was out there. He saw that nothing was tampered with, and left it compiled at it is today. Further, his children and great grand children to the total number of 11 other great grand children who protected and oversaw that the Quran was protected. He who seeks truth does not approach anything with hatred. Send that to Jay Smith. The last time I put this comment up, he blocked the comments the liar he is! And always Remember Jesus loves you, and god loves Jesus! God bless

[@elumahvictoria8416]

You are not giving scientific evidence my brother, try do something

[@damiselinc2956]

Logical Reasoning your points lack references, these are just ear-says

[@jan9730]

complete miss information... I am not a scholar but I can see the lies.. by the way this has been answer by Mansoor...

[@jackthisout9480]

And I can see the complete absence of any argument in your statement. Jay is right about the first Qibla's pointing towards Petra or Jerusalem. That is not so unreasonable as Mecca didn't exist yet. It is hard to point to something that doesn't exist, isn't it?

[@jan9730]

how can you say "Absence of any argument"? Of course, first Qibla was Jerusalem and all Muslims believes in it. It was changed to Khana-e-Kaba in the life of Holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Look at your statement,"That is not so unreasonable as Mecca didn't exist yet." First of all, it's not Mecca, its Makkah and do you even know what Makkah is?

[@jackthisout9480]

Mecca is the place where mohammed claimed Abraham and Hagar and Ismael went. But, as we all know, Ismael lived in the wilderness just south of where Abraham lived. Mecca didn't exist; it was completely uninhabitable. And still no proof of any single archaeological finds. Jerusalem on the contrary provides ample proof of its history. So whatever Mecca or Makkah you have in mind, it is a fairly new place. Abraham never went there; he had no reason to die in a desert. And certainly not with Hagar and Ismael. Abraham sent Hagar and Ismael away from his household. He disavowed Ismael as his son and said: he will never inherit anything; it will all be passed on to Isaac. By the way, Hagar found Ismael a wife in Egypt, as Hagar was Egyptian too. Makes it even more unreasonable to say they went to Mecca. It's roughly 1500 km to Egypt. And then back, another 1500 km. My imagination is not strong enough to believe this. And now you have a Qibla facing an empty house with a black stone in it. A black stone that was used by the pagans. Very odd. And allah never revealed himself in this Ka'aba, unlike Yahweh who filled the temple with his presence several times. It would be wiser for you to pray towards Jerusalem; the only holy city where God showed his presence.

[@jan9730]

I just asked you one question, not history. But anyways, for your information, if of course, you are searching for truth, kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKG7dmiKbrloiKM When you said Empty House, what do you expect to find there? Idols and imagery like churches? So what do you know about the Stone? What do you think its values in eyes of Muslims? I don't know why ALLAH didn't reveal himself in Ka'aba. So towards where do you pray? Be respective, if we are to find the truth and share knowledge.

[@jackthisout9480]

Funny, this guy saying Mecca is the center of camel trading. The map that he shows is actually not from mohammed's days. The first time Mecca shows up on a map is at least 100 years after mohammed died. Even mohammed's companions didn't know why they should venerate the black stone. They just kissed it, as they saw mohammed do it too (according to the hadith). And mohammed did it because the Nabateans did it. But why? It is just a stone. Why kiss just a stone? Sounds like idolatry to me. I agree with you, catholics praying to idols is not very biblical either. There is reason to believe that mohammed didn't have the fortitude to destroy the black stone. Robert Briffault suggests that in view of this black stone being revered by many others, it was too risky to destroy it. It resembles the idea behind why mohammed had his revelation about the three 'exalted cranes', Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Remember, the Quraysh were very pleased about mohammed saying these verses. The reason was to unite all the arab tribes, and kissing this black stone and speaking the 'exalted crane' verses was just a ideological tool to gain their trust. Ibn `Abbas, Muhammad ibn Ka`b al-Qurazi and others of the commentators of Qur'an said that when the Prophet saw the turning away of his people from him and it bore heavily on him to see the distance grow between them and what he brought them on Allah's part, he desired in his soul (tamanna fi nafsihi) that there come from Allah something that would bridge the gap between him and his people, for he was deeply concerned that they should have faith. As he was in a gathering of the Quraysh one day, Allah revealed Sura al-Najm (53), whereupon Allah's Messenger began to recite it, until he reached His saying: 19. Have ye thought upon Al Lat and Al Uzza? 20. And Manat, the third, the other? whereupon the devil interjected upon his tongue (alqa al-shaytan `ala lisanihi) in connection with that of which he spoke to himself and was hoping for: "Those are the elevated cranes: truly their intercession is dearly hoped!" When the Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced greatly. As such mohammed's desire is clearly revealed as coming from his soul (not from allah). But he gets a revelation from Satan instead. Side note: he blames the devil for it, which makes it worse for him. If mohammed can be inspired by the devil, where else did he stray? I say 'empty' building, for two reasons: - the temple in Jerusalem was not empty; it contained 7 relics with a specific purpose. - YHWH presented himself several times by filling the temple with smoke. allah says in the Qur'an that he can't come down to earth. YHWH on the other hand reveals himself several times. So in all of this it is clear that allah and YHWH are two completely different gods. As such, mohammed's attempt to assume that the torah, psalms and gospel are parts of his religion is totally false.

[@stevenjohnson-yx1fl]

Islame the jealous little brother of Judaism

[@solimansolimann4780]

To shut your mouths forever I dare you and challenge to prove your words through the first Prophet's Mosque and the second Quba Mosque .. So why you did not prove your fake theory.. why you didn't use the GBS to show the direction of these to important Mosque..? you know why ? because if you make your research on this to Mosque you will be disappointed

[@CIRAInternational]

soliman solimann we love intellectual stupidity...

[@hasbiyas]

anyway you face Allah is infront of you.

[@aguets1]

You should lie down to pray to your allah facing your face up to the sky as you muslim believe your allah was in 7th skies.how in the world u said allah in front of you if islam taught muslim allah not enter his creation?

[@ankur7773]

allah IS FRAUD😇

[@johnedward7159]

Not this guy again he is so misleading. Instead of preaching to the converted why doesn't he debate with knowledgeable moslims so we can hear their point of view.

[@MeanOldLady]

He does on Speaker's corner. He also states when he goes back and forth on issues with muslims to sharpen his knowledge & debate skills.

[@ababio74]

Muhammed Kader If the kabba is the center of earth and kabba is the direction of prayer why all knowing Allah give a revelation to pray towards Jerusalem for 2yrs ?

[@winstonmaraj8029]

There was no one named Adam amigo.

[@dennythedavinchi3832]

Listening Muslim's point of view? Are you crazy? They are dipped with dogma and try not to search out anything about their knowledge. Who is the member of group actually really ignorant on contents.

[@truesacha4534]

john why dont u debate him

[@hasbiyas]

from far the muslim only face the kiblat as they knew it was in gazira Arab. it is not nececary to be perfectly to macca. Petra was stil in Arab. Gad is not Macca. The whole univers is on the palm of God.

[@ankur7773]

QURAN TOTALLY FAKE BOOK✅✅