The Unofficial Warhammer 40k Content of Challenge Magazine - Codex Compliant

Ever wondered where the Little Sisters of Purification come from? Well wonder no more!
With kind help from:
Drummer Matt
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Fresh
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Video of us playing The Inquisitor Viest:
• Let's "Play" The Inqui...
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
03:07 - Sunstroke
06:55 - The Undead of Space
09:10 - Garrison Duties/The Emperor's Back of Tricks
10:45 - Iceriver Guards Chapter
12:49 - The Inquisitor Viest
15:24 - Warhammer by the Numbers/'Ot Spug Grub
17:39 - An Eye for an Eye
19:46 - Space Ork Tactics
21:29 - Battle at Plateau
23:33 - Wrap up/Credits
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[@frankatronx8041]

I desperately want to call a Chaos Warband "The Big Brothers of Corruption" now but I'm like that. Great vid.

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

Twist - all the brothers are secretly sisters who are in hiding

[@frankatronx8041]

@@AnIdiotsLantern "tee he, they'll never find us."

[@dalek4463]

*Reverse Traps-*

[@synthetic240]

"Bigg Brudders of Kaos"

[@toi_techno]

Or "The Big Brothers of Audulteration" more correctly

[@Kirioth]

I absolutely do not trust a place called "Normal". Sus as all hell, that.

[@rakelodakel]

'Hello, welcome to Totally Normal Hotel, here is the key to your completely normal room with perfectly ordinary mirrors. And please, enjoy your stay'

[@gwenlliandavies7348]

Run by Wib's DnD goblin Normal

[@codybagelstein2235]

The funny thing is, I’m from normal Illinois. We are a twin city so we often call the area Bloomington Normal or Blono “blow no”. Also you can tell he’s never been to Illinois because the “s” is always silent.

[@darkladylumiya1828]

@@codybagelstein2235 Isn't the town named after the fact that it had a "normal school" which meant it had a teacher-training institute? It's some weird thing like that

[@Avenger85438]

It's either got a dark secret, or is just so boring that no one could think of a better name. So the vsitors are either in for horror or a major disappointment.

[@Gauldame]

1) I remember *a lot* of these challenger magazines, but I didn't know they were a magazine because the stores just stocked them like supplement books. 2) my geek heart got unusually giddy seeing space 1889. 3) every time Skeleton Warriors is mentioned, a guitar gets its strings.

[@ScooterinAB]

Yeah. The second they said "Skeleton Warriors," the theme song started playing in my head.

[@loadeddice4696]

Drawing power from the psychic energy of the universe is...that's the warp. That's just the warp. And jamming warp-powered brain implants in people does seem like something the Emperor would at least seriously consider.

[@Isaac-ot6jh]

Well this is the warp in rough traders so Chaos as we no it did not exist yet.

[@darkdialga777]

So just a happy coincidence from further up the line by a 3rd party.

[@Flamekebab]

Dropping in that comedy Jokearo art was nice. Back in the day the only way to share that stuff was getting it published somewhere. How much joke art like that would ever have been published? Whereas these days something someone makes for a bit of a laugh can be shared far and wide. It's not all bleak here in the future.

[@KillerOrca]

Memes, truly powerful.

[@mrsuspicious1743]

@@KillerOrca indeed, a truly potent means for disseminating information, and yet able to adapt and mutate to fit new contexts. Almost like DNA. The DNA of the soul, if you will

[@naomieddy6294]

I’m so happy you guys published another almost 30 min video

[@AFnord]

Not even GW themselves could quite figure out what those backpacks on the space marines were back in the RT era. I have a WD with rules for Imperial Guard where you see an illustration of Imperial Guard jump troops, and they are clearly wearing space marine backpacks where the vents acts as jump jets. So 3rd party companies not knowing if the Space Marines need those backpacks is no wonder.

[@jiriz0r]

09:45 I think he’s resting his rifle in the crook of his arm, you can find photos of soldiers doing this today on patrol and such. Guns are heavy you know, although why someone in power armour would be bothered by that is anyone’s guess. Also I quite like the undead powered by horrible psy-tech. While too old for this to have been intentional I think it fits quite well in the modern lore. The Age of Strife saw rampant use of all sorts of terrifying technology, forbidden witchcraft and blasphemous combinations of the two. Eradicating such things was one of the Emperors main policies and we know banning research into warp-tech was an important clause in the Treaty of Olympus with the Mechanicum. But we also know that the Emperor was a massive hypocrite who often did things he expressly forbade others so I can see him using sorcerous implants to create Warp-fueled warriors only to abandon them later.

[@registheron9752]

The rifle thing could just be a habit he developed earlier in his life. As some say, "your hands always remember the rifle."

[@librarianseth5572]

I also love the idea of multiple experimental armies. It might allow us to have lizardmen drafted from the center of Terra to fight in the stars. Use your Seraphon armies along with that odd archeocopter from the Martian tech boys to keep with the dinosaur theme

[@nerag7459]

The Arsegrabber Marines were the most secretive and powerful marine chapter....

[@elmonko5068]

"BRUTHAS, WHAT IS OUR MOTTO?" "SWIGGITY SWOOTY"

[@waffloe]

Their tactics often employ the power fist

[@nerag7459]

@@waffloe That's the Imperial Fists, who like ... well.. you know.

[@nerag7459]

"I like big butts and I cannot lie, my chapter brothers can't deny..."

[@alexthompson3447]

Tim Bradstreet is a well respected comic artist. Funny seeing this early work of his!

[@mindwarp42]

My reaction: rewinding, recognizing his signature from the Old World of Darkness days, and shouting, "Holy $h!t, that IS Tim Bradstreet!" Ah, the memories.

[@ubermoose5694]

I had the same "oh shit!" Moment when I saw the signature. Love Bradstreet's work. Even more now that I know he's drawn unofficial Space Marines.

[@distroya_]

"Then Warhappens....... 40,000." I fucking howled at that joke. 🤣🤣🤣 Also, issue 69? Nice!

[@vaughanb1963]

Honestly it would be pretty cool if the Undead of Space came back into canon

[@therealwinston3634]

well yeah, (plague)-zombies are a thing in 40k, isn't it only problem might be, that Marines have high-resistence against diseases but with the warp...

[@cpt.s.seiden]

@@therealwinston3634 Death Guard wheezing noises

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Christ, the armour of the Sisters of Purification looks really similar to the armour of my custom Marine force, The Bane of Sanity. They aren't really alike other than that though, The Sisters of Purification are much more competent and are almost definitely better fighters. And I now want a Sister of Purification and an Iceriver Guard in a Kill Team.

[@madzen112]

What was so cool about 80s rpg was that it was so open, all ideas were a possibility, no hardware demands, financial constraints or stupid bosses to stop you from doing cool stuff.

[@MasterShake9000]

Gammera Fox is really neat, She’s unimpressed by Sixto Viest, We all love our Gammeraaaaaa!!!

[@AnUtterSimpleton]

Those undead marines look like Eddie and I'm ok with this.

[@GuzziHeroV50]

My first thought! As soon as I saw it, The Trooper came to mind...

[@davekelly2567]

Guys, just wondering I'm clearing my old stuff out from my rents house, do you want my old White Dwarf collection?

[@adamfox1669]

Nice!

[@jacobreese735]

If they dont reply, Then I would very much like this collection!😉

[@nakenmil]

25:20 Beer-belly Cthulhu beach king is AMAZING.

[@justinavery8664]

This is the core of what made the hobby so much fun. This is the closest ill get to a timemachine. Love these videos!! Thanks for the adventures👍

[@-foxcroft1518]

Codex Compliant is one of my favourite shows! This is better than anything on TV. Hopefully you guys have plenty more episodes left in you. It's beyond fascinating as I started in second edition and always wanted to know more about preceding events, at the time and even now that information isn't exactly easy to come by. What you guys are doing is valuable work.

[@Hannibal2nix]

I actually had a lot of fun hearing about all these extremely obscure lore bits.

[@odstbag337]

I never expected this series to mention BattleTech, even if it was relevant! Well done!

[@JenxRodwell]

As a lover of all kinds of old tabletop gaming esoterica, I want to also say a "thank you" back to both of you for making this series! I have watched and re-watched all the episodes in it, and I always look forward to the new ones! Keep up the good work!

[@robertsharp1312]

I was laughing so much at the "huh, they said the thing" skit, I missed so much

[@chibizion]

So based on the lighting, you're slipping into the Synthwave dimension. Neat.

[@really1337]

O no, Snipe has realized we can't stop them. We're all doomed.

[@dragonhunter4592]

Honestly the Undead of Space is, while cheesy, still a kinda neat idea with one of The Emperor's creations turning on him- though I can see why they were never canonized by the wider community, even though it would have been neat. They're a pretty neat idea for a story if someone can knick it and clean it up a bit for modern 40k.

[@ritaschon5536]

That havoc joke was devastating

[@skorgezagreat2462]

I’ll let that joke fly because that is enraptoring

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

[@cpt.s.seiden]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer You could say Legionaries like being Tactical.

[@librarianseth5572]

I LOVE the ship design at 3:09, but I also love the concept of space 1889; it would be like Deadlands but British

[@cpt.s.seiden]

17:47 is no one bringing up that this story pretty much gave us one of the missing Legions and a potential name for their Primarch! Seriously where is the crazy theory crafting and fan-fics?!?

[@ravensroost3224]

This was very interesting, i'd never even heard of Challenge Magazine before, only the Little Sisters scenario. Thanks for showing off these cool ideas and articles! Also, can't wait to find out the fate of Inquisitor Viest!

[@kharadron3561]

0:30 SNIPE!? PLEASE STOP! YOU'RE GOING TOO FAST! I CANT KEEP UP! Edit: also, wib on location?!

[@zamnodorszk7898]

“On location”, “go to Coventry” They mean the same right?

[@grendelfreak]

Now I want to kitbash some undead space marines.

[@Bluecho4]

This, indeed, was the principle motivation behind the Legion of the Damned.

[@rakelodakel]

Please never stop making these, it's one of my favorite KZbin series ever. Good job as always!

[@anotherzingbo]

I'm kind of surprised, and saddened, that I never bought any issues of Challenge back when it was sold. I have plenty of issues of Dragon, White Dwarf, GM/GMI and Arcane from the era in which it was published so I wonder why I don't recall ever seeing it for sale.

[@InfernalTeddy]

Dragon Magazine (By TSR) had an article with Dance Moves for Space Hulk in the April 94 issue

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Absolutely love your videos guys, Been a fan for a long time just never got to comment for some reason. Thanks for the amazing content.

[@TheNoobPainter]

Don't worry, Evil Neelix isn't real and can't hurt you. 21:08

[@Confuseddave]

For a moment I wondered if you were talking about the Drummer Matt cameo

[@tomatomodest2487]

That’s what I thought too

[@Del_S]

At least it's not Boston Neelix... Fackin' Chowdah....

[@maxbrandt6]

😆 good one!

[@kharnifex]

Tuvix did nothing wrong!

[@BobExcalibur]

25:15 The description of Token Minority Worf does sound exactly accurate to the way Michael Dorn's character was treated by the writing crew of Next Gen for most of its run. He did spend most of the first three seasons being nothing but a belligerent gorilla in 90% of his spoken lines. He wouldn't really come into his own until DS9, outside of a few stand out episodes of Next Gen.

[@kshadehyaena]

Also, the whole article seems to bemoan how slow-paced and cerebral TNG is, which is the exact opposite of the criticism leveled at today's Trek.

[@i010001]

I think we forget that back then, the term 'Token Minority' was more of a criticism about an absence of 'real' inclusion. Like, 'This is the single, kind-of-generic, kind-of-stereotypical character we have that represents the entirety of this group.' It's not saying that including a minority is bad, but rather that including one single guy and expecting that to represent a group is lazy and other-ing. ...Granted, it's pretty justifiable when the person who is being tokenized is an alien. But my reading of that is that it's saying that Worf's character starts and ends at 'Klingon,' yeah?

[@JustAChannel402]

These retrospectives you two do are increasingly my favourite part of the hobby. Your humour is ace, and it's either going to be a wonderful nostalgic trip; or some bizarre journey through obscure, illegitimate and oft-forgtten weirdness like this. Love it

[@cunningwarrior1827]

My FLGS started carrying Challenge somewhere in the 40's and I purchased everyone since then. I was playing Star Trek and Battletech then so it seemed like a good investment. You can download all the issues online as a zip file, probably illegeally, I've had the file so long I've forgotten where I got it. It is a fun magazine to read and just last year I read them all again digitally. For an alternate take on 40k, you might want to look at Sweden's Mutant Chronicles Warzone. The first 3 editions are available online and you can get the physical copies of the books pretty cheap on ebay. I recently got all of the Second Edition books for $30usd plus shipping. They game is very playable and the the official codexes, of which there were two, start to show the 40k influence. The models are expensive, but you can pretty much proxie in anything you want. On the site with all things Mutant Chronicles, someone took a lot of time making codexes for the other factions, just without any backgrounds as the universe background is already establushed. It is worth a look. Anyway, Challenge Magazine is a good read for third party stuff and inspiration. For the Star Trek DOG and combat Simulator, there were Space Dragons! Stay Safe and Make It A Great Day! 💀

[@TastyRedCrayons]

I’m so happy I came across this video! I am currently building up a Little sister force and I have been trying to hunt for all the bits of info I can find. Awesome video! Keep up the great work!

[@Midnight_Tomorrow]

Coventry is my hometown, and the description of it being a deathworld with unfriendly life forms is pretty spot on tbh

[@gwin2719]

Wooooo Battletech gets a mention

[@adamfox1669]

I was in an auto accident last week. I whacked my head pretty hard and im not able to paint. Your codex compliant series is a big help, as im not able to read/paint /see normally in my right eye. Thanks. Have a great christmastime & be safe. (USA/east coast drivers are horrendous- take a bus!)

[@joeblaster8770]

2:47 Hawk and Scarlett in the never before mention Star Wars GI Joe crossover.

[@Avenger85438]

1:20 Vietnam, Star Wars? What? In all serousness, each of the covers shown here are rad. I love that painting style. It's something digital illustrations just can't quite recreate.

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

George Lucas has outright told us that the Rebels where meant to represent the Vietcong fighting an evil empire so... 🤷‍♂️

[@chrishughes1376]

I get genuinely excited every time one of these drops! Thanks to you guys for putting them together. :D

[@sinoxa]

You know you're too deep into your favorite chapter when you can recognize a picture of one of their power axes randomly in a video.

[@kingjulian7045]

My personal discworld headcannon is that the unseen university's librarian is simply a jokaero with a penchant for books that got trapped in ankh-morpork due to warp stuff.

[@apocrypha5363]

Last time I was this late Dorn and I had just reached the bridge of The Vengeful Spirit.

[@skott3824]

Snipe eating dice made giggle, which is quite rare these days. Well done!

[@rmod42]

Loving this and codex compliant in general. Thanks for brightening my day!

[@cezarysiemieniewski5502]

It means that house sparrow is edible. grub= food ot = that with heavy accent.

[@shadogiant]

Sprug: sharp, nicely dressed, smart. Sprug grub - likely food in nice clothes/armor

[@DarkEmpireGames]

Thanks for making excellent content for all these years!

[@philbuttler3427]

Honestly the Undead aren't particularly silly by 40K standards imo. Like Newcrons were more of a stretch imo, and the Undead definitely sounds like something the emperor would try. The energy of the universe is just the Warp, and you could rewrite them to be experiments the Mechanicus did with a combination of perpetuals and Necron tech they barely understod to make living prisons for particularly strong daemons. Like their physiology can constantly revive and the warp tech connects them to it before cutting it off to trap and starve the Daemons from the Warp while the rest of the Necron tech allows them to maintain horrible soulless sentience as they decay, die, are reborn and as a side effect of the implants their bodies rot off within a year. It could really highlight the commonality between Necron and AM and also explain how the empire studied daemons in the past.

[@saltystrip8761]

15:05 that terminators going in for some *GUSSY*

[@kylo-benshapiro687]

Gussy is such a distributing term that it haunts me

[@Mr_Bunk]

*Dornian screaming intensifies*

[@Ninjat126]

I think the Challenge issue numbering makes sense. The magazine continued publication, with the same issue numbering, just with a new title to reflect the expanded scale. ...unless it's all REALLY complicated and I completely misunderstood.

[@qazwer333]

A few fun facts about GDW that dont fit with the 40k thing. 1. GDW published a ton of board game's. A massive amount of them. Its not exactly the most popular thing(That was most likely traveler.) but they had as many war games as Avalon hill did. In addition, they also made quite a few miniature wargames. Two of which are from the traveler setting. The main one and the new era. There was also one for 2300 but I dont know much about it. 2.They attempted to publish Dangerous Journeys made by Gary Gygax after he was forced out of TSR. This started a legal slapflight between TSR and GDW which ended with GDW going under in 1996 due to financial troubles and TSR getting brought by Wizards of the coast a year later(Which is a entire can of worms That would take too long to go into). 3. GDW would publish some other really strange/neat stuff in Challenge. The shadowrun and battletech stuff is not the only thing. They published things for paranoia, the fasa star trek rpg, and a few others. In the end Challenge magazine has 77 issues ending in either 1995 or 1996. Sadly, I have yet to look through quite a few of them, but If I find anything else, I will make a second post or something. 4.Last really small thing, traveler is among one of the longest lasting rpg to currently exist. Having its first edition published in 1977. It had several advancements in the timeline by the way of megatraveler and the controverisal the new era(It was controverial due to the fact it shared a lot of similarity's with twilight 2000. It was a hard scifi game with the realism and mechanics of a survival rpg based on military combat, and that apparently turn a lot of people off.) After the company folded, Steven Jackson of all people revived it as gurps traveler for 3e gurps.This was quite popular if you could stomach gurps. After this it went back to marc miller and grups traveler never got a 4e version.

[@kyokyodisaster4842]

Now I want to play Traveler.

[@unistrut]

I attempted to play Traveller once. My character died during character creation. I am not kidding.

[@theadro91]

Another great video. Also just to say the ending music has made me unusually happy on a dreary Monday morning!

[@johnw5154]

Great video. Love the longer video. More please!!

[@operaghost21]

Great vid! Loved the drummer butt cameo

[@spencerc1801]

Would love to see a video comparing modern Necromunda to old Necromunda/Confrontation

[@jmagowan12]

Great stuff as ever our gallant lad & lass! Keep it up!

[@ii2bcnii]

I love this channel, please keep making videos.

[@LastNameWasTaken]

‘Little sisters of purification’ sounds like an anime

[@mitchsminis]

Wow I can’t believe that there was a games publisher that is from my hometown. Thanks guys!

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

'Rendezvous with Rama' feels from that Space Marine mission.

[@i.warrenhastings2526]

I believe you'll agree that finding episode 69 was, in fact, a "nice" little accident (not that its also being "happy" is, in any way, mutually exclusive...)

[@fireconvoyosjl]

Micheal A. Stackpole in issue 47? X-wing novels represent!

[@psykomancer4420]

Holy shit, I KNEW that name was familiar!

[@PanzerIV1976]

Love it, I did not know any of this. Thanks for sharing.

[@Bawgle]

That Plateau marine art style reminds me of Berni Wrightson

[@YossarianVanDriver]

Honestly, it's off the beaten track topics like this I most look forward to from this series.

[@BiodegradableYTP]

Wow you guys have been busy with this monolith of a video. Really interesting stuff! Can't wait to see what other cool 40k historical oddities you bring us this year. :^)

[@johnsolomon592]

Great video! I had sever issues of Challenge Mag back in the day.

[@thomassaxon8254]

Thank you for covering such an obscure part of 40K. It's oddly made me appreciate it more. And as always you're both amazing as presenters.

[@samr8889]

This was another wonderful and entertaining video ^w^

[@mojotheaverage]

That terminator was simply trying to teach the Jean stealer about personal space

[@jessebowen2651]

"Other Magazines exist" HERESY

[@boarpsimson8675]

The mention of Jokearo awakened a memory seated deep within my very soul.

[@ReddCrystal]

YES! YEEESSS! MORE CODEX COMPLIANT! THANK THE EMPEROR!

[@trekker105]

Today is the last slow day at work of the winter before we ramp back up to normal tempo, and I am going to be spending it painting a Tau XV25 in Ice River Guards colors.

[@ricardoblikman2676]

Loved it! This reminds me of the TMNT RPG mutants down under time !

[@FlannelJedi]

Am I the only one who noticed the Queensryche logo on the marine art in the Battle at Plateau article? 21:32

[@MisterCrowely]

Another interesting bit: Rick Harris was apparently a fan of Queensryche the metal band, or simply liked the look of their band symbol the Tri Ryche, as its displayed as the marine's shoulder badge for the Battle of Plateau art.

[@drekbleh7081]

10:15 Youse ain't tink'ing orky enuff!

[@edwardsummey8843]

I collected Challenge back in the day. Mostly for Twilight 2000 and 2300 AD. 40K was not even on my radar back then.

[@ecyor0]

2 skeleton warriors references in as many months? Neato :3

[@wafflesthecat6661]

Traveler also had a companion game set in its universe called Striker (I think, its kinda hard to remember). It was a 15mm/25mm sci-fi wargame that worked completely differently from anything I've ever seen. It kinda mixed wargame and roleplay elements as the commander of your army was supposed to represent you, as well as the point from which you commanded your troops. You couldnt just tell dudes where to go and they would do it automatically, you had to equip and train squads to different levels of experience depending on how experienced of a force you were playing. Command was actually very difficult, as you had to maintain cohesion in your force while still ordering your dudes, but orders take time to be sent and understood, so if you saw an opportunity to make a game winning move, you had to react quickly or it might close on you before you even got troops to where you needed them. It's super complex but part of me wants to try out playing it because it feels like the type of game that would be rewarding just to learn. Heres the Wikipedia link for anyone interested en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striker_(miniatures_game)

[@jamestoney6108]

Great episode guys

[@SymbioteMullet]

"I think i cut myself on a d4" is the health and safety message we all needed today

[@dcbluenose1873]

"Gamera is really neat! He is made of turtle meat! We all love him, Gameraaa!"

[@teecefamilykent]

Another brilliant video:-)

[@maxbrandt6]

I remember Challenge magazine, been a long time though.

[@maxbrandt6]

*Cadillacs & Dinosaurs* @17:36, cool comic and fun Saturday morning cartoon!

[@marcwittkowski5146]

I love the Snipe dice- clips so much :D :D

[@dangerotterisrea]

Gotta love that Cadillacs and Dinosaurs style cover 😍

[@librarianseth5572]

I LOVED the two episodes I saw of that

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

I *so* want a copy of that magazine/choose-your-own-adventure 😍

[@TheMonyarm]

If I was to do the ice River guards, I'd go with a space wolf base, but make their armor and weapons be made out of ice. It would be more interesting than the appearance they have in the magazine.

[@librarianseth5572]

Canadian/ Midwestern army is best army