The Unstoppable Turtle, the T28 Superheavy Tank | Cursed by Design

[@ConeOfArc]

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[@JustAGuy2-q7h]

epic

[@zurnar1000]

MAUS when?

[@JustAGuy2-q7h]

@@zurnar1000 maus when?

[@crazyjack746]

@@JustAGuy2-q7hwhen maus?

[@crazyjack746]

@@JustAGuy2-q7hwhen maus?

[@ozan1234561]

Sire the 105mm wont fit Put in more armor The radio wont fit Put in more armor The engine is no good PUT IN MORE ARMOR

[@aliemirduran5530]

Sire? Is this King Henry VI being spoken to?

[@kildeer1897]

​@@aliemirduran5530As we all know, King Henry VI had a great impact on heavy tank design of World War Two.

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

The armor wont fit! Put in more armor!

[@Tripple_Threatt92]

Mooore ammmore!!!!

[@32shumble]

Unstoppable until it comes to a bridge

[@JustAGuy2-q7h]

🤣

[@robincowley5823]

Or some wet ground. A completely unknown feature of north-west Europe...

[@cascadianrangers728]

Put on the snorkel boys!

[@GerardMenvussa]

Or until it depletes the fuel reserves of the entire battalion.

[@draysoncrook4898]

It’s a Tutel it will be fine

[@Level100Snivy]

“Am I not turtley enough for the turtle club?”

[@BHuang92]

🐢🐢

[@octane781]

A Master of Disguise reference, you truly are a cultured one 🎩

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

Turtle turtle

[@fangride3577]

Take your thumbs up for the amazing reference

[@markolysynchuk5264]

​@@BasedGodEmperorTrump Tutel!

[@pauldetres9101]

the only tank that surpasses even the most modern tanks with its stealth capabilities in which the only one example that wasn't found until 27 years later. even the satellites didn't see it.

[@phoenix211245]

I think the T-14 has it beat though.

[@kriskay5020]

@@phoenix211245 Getting close to it

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@phoenix211245 Remember a few years back when one of them broke down on parade and they gave the excuse someone accidentally put the parking lever on? I still laugh that one to this day, Kremlin always pulls out excuses that makes them look worst than the truth. Like this would mean the goobers in the tank never thought about checking the parking lever, then the engineers came, also never thought to remove parking break to make their jobs easier. I guess that parking lever is REALLY well hidden.

[@phoenix211245]

@@MichaelDavis-mk4me Yep, that was a fun one. They run a big propaganda campaign in the state media every year or two, saying that they will have thousands of the T-14 soon, and how it is the only modern tank that is much better than the obsolete Nato rust buckets. Have been doing that since 2013, over a decade now, which is much funnier imho. The last one was 400 in active service by 2025🤣 There is a good reason Russia had a steady, ongoing decline in its arms exports for the past 20 years. It was very close to losing the number 2 spot to France before the current conflict caused them to crater. You really can only coast on the stuff USSR built for a while before people realize it's rather old and obsolete.

[@Wurstklauer]

Hide and seek championships in action

[@tomski3047]

The T28 hiding in the tiny bush is equivalent to that baby elephant trying to hide behind the telephone pole

[@CrdBPanzer342]

1945 ends, T-28: A super heavy paper weight for boats

[@Killer99215]

T-28 is a early russian medium tank.

[@Fritzthempg_dude]

@@Killer99215i think the difference between names are the “-“ between the numbers and letters, so nice observation

[@austinteal3645]

​@@Fritzthempg_dude Yah, technically the American one is "T28" not to be confused with "T-28" ;-;

[@Fritzthempg_dude]

@@austinteal3645 yep

[@Reaper-wh9di]

"Rosehip, come back, please!" (When Johnny Comes Marching Home begins playing) THE T28 HAS ARRIVED!

[@csanadpaksa]

Heh! I knew someone would make a reference! ❤

[@inductivegrunt94]

Glad to see GuP reference here 👍

[@muroawolff7762]

Well, here is another one, *"Livin la viva loca" playing aggressively* Yahoo!

[@MTRBR-mp7wj]

Rosehip

[@Reaper-wh9di]

@@MTRBR-mp7wj I thought I spelled it correctly, thanks for pointing that out.

[@DuckyBolto]

We making it through the Siegfried Line with this one 🗣️🔥🔥

[@T29Heavy]

When you have to differentiate American and Soviet tanks by the hyphen Heavy Tank T34 and Medium Tank T-34 Heavy Tank T30 and Light Tank T-30 Heavy Tank T29 and Medium Tank T-29 Super Heavy T28 and Medium Tank T-28

[@notasoviett34trustme]

real

[@MediumRareOpinions]

M numbered American vehicles meanwhile trying their best to be unhelpful by reusing the same numbers multiple times for cars, Halftracks and Tanks all in service at the same time.

[@T29Heavy]

For anyone wondering about the T20, T23, and the T25 There are indeed soviet tanks as the T-20 is the Soviet Armored Tractor, T-23 is a Soviet Tankette, and the T-25 is a Soviet Light Tank

[@jmi5969]

And then wargaming invented dozens of Chinese T34-s...

[@ThommyofThenn]

So true my heavy brother😂

[@pepimcpeepson]

How anyone could think that a 500hp powerpack for an almost 100 ton tank would suffice, is beyond me.

[@tarkov_6]

Always amazing to hear how little horsepower tank engines had back then vs the average car now.

[@jkg6211]

It's called "Gear Ratios".

[@jooot_6850]

@@tarkov_6I'd imagine they still produced a ton of torque, though. Probably just revved really low. I doubt, say, a juiced-up N54 would be able to move this behemoth. Granted, the engine it had also couldn't, so..

[@randomprojectsusa5196]

@@jooot_6850I believe the Ford GAA gas v8 made around 1000ft-lbs of torque at idle if I remember correctly

[@jooot_6850]

@@randomprojectsusa5196 fetch me this engine and a miata immediately

[@masterhasashi.]

09:09 I was actually mentioning to my friend when watching together saying ''He could've used that Girls und Panzer scene tho. He's missing the golden opportunity here.'' and immidiately you've shown the example. You my friend did not dissapoint thanks :D 🤣

[@hanknash7118]

For many years I drove past this beast every day when it sat outside the Patton museum at fort knox.

[@xvonfrankenstein]

Where is it now?

[@keolath1343]

@@xvonfrankensteinFort Moore (Fort benning for the old guys) in the Armor and Cav collection

[@AntoneLang2]

Chieftain calls it the first stealth tank.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

From chats with people in the military it would seem that "discoveries" on bases are often known about but go unmentioned because the officers would rather not have historians show up to dig them up or drag them out.

[@kirotheavenger60]

Often it's because the military guys don't appreciate what it is they've got. Many rare and unique prototypes have been found on weapon ranges, rendered into swiss cheese over decades of being target practice. I bet many people saw the T28 sitting there on that field, and just assumed it was another of the dozens of worthless hulks cluttering the range.

[@titangaming1831]

It’s not even that. Or it is that to a degree but more importantly if it’s an enlisted guy that finds it we’d have to report that up the chain and that leads to questions and paperwork. It’s far easier to kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with. The mindset being “don’t start nothin and there won’t be nothin”

[@pingwenhung8327]

I cannot imagine the horror if the T28 Tank crew lost the T28 and had to explain how they lost it "WHAT?! What do you mean you lost it?! ITS A BIG FUCKING TANK! HOW CAN YOU LOSE SIGHT OF IT!"

[@keolath1343]

Its less so loss and more so them misplacing the vehicle and forgetting about it because they had no usage for it. Im sure someone, either higher ranking soldier or a vet, knew where it was or had a general idea where it was

[@Plaprad]

Not sure if it's true or not, but the story I heard was a guard heard engine noise one night in the motorpool. By the time he got inside it was gone into the darkness. When the CO was informed, he basically said it can't get far and there was no ammo for it, so they could worry about it later. Then, no one worried about it later until it was forgotten. Again, not sure if it's true, but I like it and like to imagine it was a couple Soldiers just having fun until they ran out of gas.

[@panzerdriver3351]

The "when the trucks brakes malfunctioned, the t28 made a run for it." Got me crackin 😂

[@christophervanoster]

Now you have to cover the UK’s attempt to make a very similar vehicle: the A39 Tortoise

[@rdfox76]

Oh wow. Someone alert the Fat Electrician, he was looking for those photos of the T28 in the ditch! :D

[@jackbower8671]

Yes, yes he was

[@rcrawford42]

T-28: bush-camping champion of the universe! Honestly, though, I think NASA should mount a cannon on the Crawler-Transporter to take the "biggest tank in the world" title. You could probably park the T-28 on it with plenty of room left over.

[@WASDLeftClick]

Put a naval gun turret on it.

[@brennanleadbetter9708]

The Doom Turtle

[@Big_Loo]

Dooooooooooom turtle

[@TheSteam02]

Tutel :D

[@billballbuster7186]

Really great presentation and here is a little more info. In 1943 the Allies decided to build Heavy Assault tanks for the attack on Germany, the US built the T-28 and the British the A39 Tortoise. The T-28 was the larger of the two but its development was more protracted. The British 78 ton Tortoise was ready sooner and 6 Pilot tanks were being tested 1944-45. Tortoise had armor up to 9 inches thick and mounted an 84mm 32 Pounder gun, which held records for armour penetration not bettered until the L7 105mm APFSDS in the 1980s, Powered by a 650bhp RR Meteor engine, speed was 12mph and when tested in Germany 1945-52 mobility was found to be quite good. But it was retired with one still running at the Bovington Tank Museum.

[@shaunholmes9900]

The Bovington Tortoise does not run anymore. Had a issue and rather then break it further, they stopped it running. Would cost too much to repair so it just a display piece now. Think next one to stop running will be Tiger 131 as she no longer does tank feast due to wear and tear. Once she gets to a state they not happy to continuing running her, they will say no more and just display her. Better to save them then destroy them.

[@kirotheavenger60]

​@shaunholmes9900 Tiger 131 is central to Bovington's advertising though (sometimes it feels like they identify as the "Tiger 131 museum" lol), I think they'll work really hard to keep her running

[@billballbuster7186]

@@shaunholmes9900 Sorry to hear that, I saw it running some years agoa really awesome sight.

[@billballbuster7186]

@@kirotheavenger60 I really fail to see what this has to do with the topic. But for one reason or another (mostly NAZI propaganda) the Tiger is the best known WW2 tank, and poeople want to see it.

[@kirotheavenger60]

@billballbuster7186 just in reply to Shaun stating 131 would shortly be retiring due to maintenance concerns. I disagree with that notion, as I think keeping 131 running would be a very high priority for Bovington.

[@thesepticbossalduin8859]

I actually appreciate you covering the designation of the tank, because for the longest time I've been confused about what it actually was. I've played war thunder and WoT and have never understood if there were two models or just multiple names for it. So this really helped clarify it for me. Thank you

[@ProtoFinn]

The sequel I never thought I would see, but one I will definitely not turn down!

[@inductivegrunt94]

9:09 Love the mention of Girls und Panzer there 😁 And we all know the greatest counter to a T28 is a Churchill VII under a bridge 🤣

[@maotisjan]

16:26 Considering the advancements in metallurgy and composite armor as well as other aspects of tank design I doubt that+100 ton Tanks will ever be made again, than again you never know

[@jamesbednar8625]

Good informative video!!! When I was stationed at Fort Knox from 1982-1985, I had the privilege to climb onto this beast when it was on static display at Keyes Park, next to the Patton Museum.

[@Hen3349]

damn not even the T28 could withstand the Arizona heat and caught on fire

[@WhatIsSanity]

I imagine that if it ever made it to the front for some reason it would have faired the same as Churchill and Tiger tanks- constantly breaking down, getting tracked and shot at by everything that could see it. Big guns don't matter when a shell is lodged in the gunner sights, and heavy armour doesn't protect anything when everyone is *in front* of you...

[@IronSalamander8]

I love this thing. I played the T95 a lot in WoT when I used to play, as it was my favorite vehicle from a tank book I got as a kid. It's too slow and impractical, but I love it all the same! And yeah, the name was a bit malleable.

[@thaipankatima658]

When I first heard of the Tiger Tank in Company of Heroes, I researched the hell out of that thing. It became my go-to tank whenever I need something strong, and powerful to punch through a rock and a hard place. God that was years ago. It was just so beautiful and frightening at the same time.

[@PyramidBuilder-sb5ls]

What’s the difference between the T-95 and T-28? Well I guess we’ll find out when this video gets released

[@arnie3223]

Same vehicle. Different designations in development

[@scottsternberg5870]

T95 4 tracks and T28 2 tracks

[@ConeOfArc]

No difference. I go over that in the video

[@peanutsauce7798]

@@scottsternberg5870their the same tank the official designation is T28. The number of tracks does not change the name. Since they were removable for transportation.

[@rare_kumiko]

@@scottsternberg5870 wtf are you talking about, they were different designations for the same vehicle. It started as T28, then T95, then back to T28

[@xxepicjetxx]

11:07 I know that Museum. That's the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. I went there last year. Had a great selection of vehicles. You could also drive a tank (M4 Sherman or M10) there.

[@Hybris51129]

The T28 is my signature tank wherever I can play it as it fits my slow grinding play style best.

[@nitsu2947]

WHEN JOHNNY COMES MARCHING HOME INTENSIFIES

[@cascadianrangers728]

You better have one hell of a pontoon bridge if you're gonna test it with the freaking t28

[@davissampson3991]

As I recall, the T28 was found at Ft. Belvoir. As I recall, it had sunk deeply into the ground.

[@wastelander89]

I wanted to say thank you for making this video. I always wondered how this came to be. I appreciate the well thought out video.

[@xyzero1682]

>playing WOT a decade ago >see a T28/T95 is on my team >I make it a mission to do a good job and help my team win >"I hope T28-kun notices me today"

[@thedungeondelver]

I know how the Tier system works so it's unlikely but it would be adorable if you were in an M3. Giving the giant female rabbit next to the small male rabbit vibe.

[@MrRjh63]

And then he promptly camped bushes instead of pushing?

[@johnmcpudding857]

@@MrRjh63 Kemp bush, unfair plane.

[@Train115]

You should make a video on the A39 Tortoise, it was created for the same purpose but it's genuinely interesting to see the British angle on it.

[@HailHydra27]

The only armored vehicle channel with the balls to cite girl und panzer

[@ConeOfArc]

I'm not aware of any other media which portrays the vehicle both having all 4 tracks and the ability to remove them so seemed worth including

[@joshuamoran7122]

The T28 is my favorite TD in WOTB and I think it is one of the coolest looking designs.

[@johninnh4880]

My M60-A1 was 52 tons and had a 105 MM main gun, Could go 35 MPH down hill with a tail wind. Why the need for 90 tons to carry a 105 MM? Glad to see you back online!

[@youmukonpaku3168]

to put a foot of steel over the front so it could drive straight up at a Nazi fort and ignore return fire.

[@Kalashnikov413]

M60A1 was a main battle tank, T28 was a breakthrough assault gun

[@flurfdawg6611]

Imagine thinking you got a tank destroyer kill, but you put a round through the T28's waterwings.

[@lukemendel8197]

Someone should send this video to @TheFatElectrian , as he wanted to see the pictures of it fallen off the truck.

[@ConeOfArc]

Not sure how he couldn't find them, they aren't exactly difficult to find

[@wastedangelematis]

Future Collab possibility

[@GreySectoid]

The original turtle tank, avoid cheap copies

[@AminoAcidsTelevisionChannel]

Did you find a picture of it when it got stuck in a ditch during transit?

[@JustAGuy2-q7h]

lets see

[@brianj.841]

Yes; as he says it received minor damage. The ditch had to be repaired. ;-)

[@Hornet_Legion]

nice shot of e100. also imagine a t95 on todays battlefield with a cope cage and reactive armor. I would bet it would be more survivable than top of the line soviet tanks.

[@xyz41100]

I think it may have had some decent niche use cases such as heavily defended areas where artillery/air power wasn't working and using any other tanks was border line suicide. Pretty sure the concept is not very different for what the Germans originally had in mind for the tiger, with them being brought up to the front/area of need with rail/truck and then deployed to the battle to break through the defensive area with lighter tanks and infantry punching through the hole. 90% sure Chieftain talks about this in one of his tiger videos. However, hard to say how well this would have worked in practice.

[@alchemik666]

About tank design circling around back to superheavies... I wonder if any of the makeshift turtle tanks Russians started using in Ukraine came close to 90 tons... They sure look like it, with basically whole sheds being built around the tank proper to defend from drones and transport troops. They also usually sacrifice the ability to turn the turret, making it a surprisingly close analog to T-28: an effectively turretless, super-heavy breathrough tank. xD

[@jarink1]

No way the current Russian "turtle tanks" come close to the same weight. T-72/T-80s start off around 45 tons (give or take, depending on the exact model). Adding a bunch of sheet metal and framing probably only adds a couple of tons. For comparison, a full coating of Kontakt ERA is less than 2 tons.

[@snakebae6259]

truly the immortal and immovable object of war thunder

[@JMitch556]

I think all it needed was 1 or 2 successful missions and the Germans would’ve been scared shitless. “How many of those do the Americans have?!?” That question alone would make them consider surrendering (or mass producing MAUS to compete)

[@swordsman1_messer]

Did you send that image of the Turtle in the ditch to The Fat Electrician yet? He also did a video on the Turtle last month and wanted to find the photo from the escape attempt.

[@ConeOfArc]

First two results on Google when you search for T28 super heavy fallen off truck. Surprised he had difficulty finding them if he was looking

[@OmarGarcia-kr4jz]

Tutle with SPEED TANK 16:11

[@tvexpert_xd2388]

Nice video Coud you also us metic because theres slso alot of europeans here Thanks and have a good day

[@leonardorodrigues827]

Could I make a video about the T-28 and T-35 multiturrets and TG-1 I really liked the SMK and wanted to know more about these heavyweights, especially the TG-1.

[@budwyzer77]

Would the T-28 really fall under Cursed by Design? It spent a few years as the world's best 15+ ton tank.

[@FreedomFighterEx]

By the time it reach the fortification, said fortification is already relocated and rebuild somewhere else.

[@paintnamer6403]

Sofilien has a video of attaching the out side tracks.

[@CMDRFandragon]

T28 hides for 27 years US Army captures it T28: noooo, let me go back to my bush!!!

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Funny, I always knew it as the T28.

[@Nine-2545]

I think they should put 105 mm gun of sherman 105 and combine that gun with sherman jumbo instead. By that, at the end of the day, they could get more jumbo 105 rather than a faw T 28 to deal with bunkers.

[@Sight-Ashen]

if i were to redesign this thing i would only alter a few things such as make it bigger to fit the 155mm cannon and fit a v15 with 1500hp to make it more viable as a td

[@SnEaKyGiTau]

Better to direct heavy artillery onto bunkers from a distance?

[@thelastholdout]

I think if the need had still been there for a front heavy bunker buster, the T28 would have been developed further with a more powerful engine and revised weight that would have made it much less painfully slow. As it stands it's still one of my favorites, mostly because it's the first tank I ever used in World of Tanks that didn't feel like it had armor made of paper.

[@Rico-v7r]

It was actually meant to have an 800hp instead of 500hp but the war ended first

[@Ryzard]

8:42 - They made a dually. Truly, the AMERICAN superheavy. It all comes back to big rig trucks in the end...

[@R.W.Raegan]

Very food video! Also, I I appreciate the explanation of the designation misconceptions!

[@billlhooo6485]

So how does it compare to a modern car engine that produce about the same engine as the t28 super heavy tank? I really want to know because my brain is confuse with engine from the past and the engine from the future.

[@roxywolfdragon1767]

I would love to get a t-Shirt or hoodie with the 27 year hide and seek champion design on but I'm from the UK and there's no way to get it shipped to the uk.

[@Leonkilsyou]

I like how there is always a Locust for scale

[@MrNicholas89]

Wonder If the T-28 Superheavy were to receive upgrades using modern techs and better engine? Engine : General Dynamics AVCR-1790-2C engine producing 950 hp or General Dynamics Land Systems AVDS-1790-9 diesel developing 1,200 hp Transmission: pgraded CD-850-B1 transmission or Allison X-1100-5 series automatic transmission Firing Control System (FCS) Raytheon Integrated Fire Control System (IFCS), a MIL-STD-1553 data bus. Or LOTHAR gun sight, DNVS-4 Driver's Night Vision Sight and TURMS digital fire control system. Who knows probably the T-28 SuperHeavy could beat the Russian "Turtle Tank"

[@theallmightystoney2481]

Now you have to do the British tortoise

[@Ryzard]

Hey, slow and steady wins the race. Let it be known - no enemy force has ever managed to destroy a T-28 in combat. Sometimes slow is handy on your stat sheet lmao

[@Matthew.Sweeney]

Also, no enemy force has managed to find it when it is in stealth mode

[@danovan7899]

A whole foot of Armor is wild

[@Kazuya.Mishima]

My favourite tank! the turtle and the black prince!

[@Train115]

I love it so much, it's so interesting and well designed.

[@Nightdare]

It'd probably make very little impact even if used for the job designed By the times these things arrived to take down fortifications, bombers and churchills AVRE and Crocodiles probably cleaned up already

[@cascadianrangers728]

Holy shit that things 105mm is very impressive, 300+mm penetration in WWII is insane, at the start of the war a lot of tanks didn't have much more than 30mm of armor

[@Legiondude]

Manufacturing problems meant those penetration quotes were only theoretical during the height of the war. In testing, the rounds had a nasty habit of shattering on impact so the effective penetration ability was much lower. By the time they ironed out the issues, new gun and projectile designs were being tested

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

Have you made a video on the TOG 2?

[@ConeOfArc]

Not yet but its one I plan to cover in the future

[@feindkontakt5956]

I would love a video about the T-29 and T-30. And send them to Gaijin, pls. Because 2 of them dominate the map.

[@fortkavanagh]

I'd love to see an upgraded version be built in the future

[@kirotheavenger60]

The Ruso-Ukraine war is showing "turtle tanks" appearing, which aren't too far removed from the tutel!

[@fortkavanagh]

@@kirotheavenger60 turtle tanks?

[@kirotheavenger60]

@fortkavanagh they say a picture paints a thousand words, so I recommend you google "Russian turtle tanks" or similar, you'll get loads of hits. That said, essentially Russian troops have been welding scrap steel sheeting into a house like superstructure on top of their tanks, preventing the turret from turning fully, to protect the tank from drones. They also often carry jammers and such as well for further protection.

[@fortkavanagh]

@@kirotheavenger60 OKAY I got to see that LOL, thanks for the update

[@BrandonKaiChenLow]

There is also another super heavy tank design by the United States but meant to defeat the Tiger 2, it was the T 29 also arm with the same main gun as the T 28. Also the T 28 is technically an assault gun since it has no turret and its main gun was place in the hull similar to the Stug 3.

[@techmarine83]

Did you really reference that trash kitty anime in the same breath as this assault gun?

[@drexsol2312]

I still can't believe how they lost a super heavy tank in the middle of nowhere

[@NoManClatuer-pd8ck]

Could you serve Respondents motion to opposing council assuming it had a notarized SABO with this? "Family Court" requires 3rd party service. I require service in excess of 600 meters per second.

[@youmukonpaku3168]

at 100 tons, with steel treads and at 8 mph, you need a CDL and probably special permission to drive it on the highway and you're nowhere near your 600 meters per second. The part that can achieve that will result in new, more interesting legal challenges.

[@wgdavidson9669]

Sir - it will take 2 hours to remove the track to go around that building! Does said building have a basement?

[@tasjan9190]

Has Cone ever covered the American T-14 Assault tank? Always thought it looked like an awesome looking vehicle.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Sure, it could basically resist everything infantry and tanks could throw at it frontally. But it wouldn't be long until artillery or planes hit it or something would sneak around and blow up the lightly protected rear. Unlike in War Thunder, having your engine blow up means the tank is dead, there is also no magical, 100% chance extinguish fire option button. And if it looses a track, it's also completely screwed, can you imagine trying to repair or rescue that thing on the battlefield? The same could apply to any Super Heavy tank concepts. Funnily enough today's tanks are nearly as heavy as the T-28, though they don't really act like heavy tanks.

[@kirotheavenger60]

It's important to remember that the T28 was designed for one very specific purpose (frontal attacks against static fortifications on the Siegfried line). A purpose for which it would have been very effective. And once that purpose was no longer relevant, the project wa dropped. It's also notable that artillery and aircraft were not particularly effective against tanks in WW2. They had neither the accuracy nor the ground-coordination to effectively locate and hit tanks. Plus, all that armour would have made the T28 even more resilient against those threats. Speed is no real defence anyway.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@kirotheavenger60 Your point about artillery and aircraft being ineffective against tanks in WW2 is just plane (get it plane?) wrong. Just look at the battle of Kursk, the Germans destroyed a massive number of tanks with dive bombers and artillery did a number of both side's armor. The Germans on the Western front had of course, basically no air force, but the T-28 would still be in big danger of being side shot, as fortifications with anti-tank capabilities were often built in a way to funnel tanks into a large cone of interlocking fire, meaning someone had a shot on your sides no matter what you did. Of course, with combine arms warfare, Americans overcame these defenses with great difficulty, but the fact remains that the perfect scenario where the T-28 stands before a single bunker, with the air clear, with no mines or anti-tank ditch, with no flanking infantry, is rare, it would end up being destroyed as with all tanks, but unlike other tanks, it's way too expensive to replace.

[@kirotheavenger60]

@@MichaelDavis-mk4me you make the classic mistake of believing that aerial *claimed* kills are accurate. Post battle assessment shows claimed figures for air-ground attacks were inflated by about *ten to one*. You're wrong that the T28 (no hypen in US parlance) could not approach a bunker is false. Bunkers could be blinded with smoke. But also, the T28 had a very long range gun with pretty good side armour as well. It would be able to engage even two fortifications from far enough to be protected from both.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@kirotheavenger60 Aerial claim kills were often inaccurate. But often, while they did not result in kills, it resulted in destroyed tracks and abandoned vehicle. Yeah sure, you might not be dead, but when half the tanks in your units are inoperable. Oh, and all German tanks and anti-tank guns could penetrate it from the side at 2 KM, even the Panzer 4. Same with the Panzershreck. Germans didn't just sit on their lines like it was WW1, they ambushed the Americans consistently, it might be good against a bunker, but when the real threat is the 88 hidden behind a bush and the infantry in the hedgerow, suddenly you are in trouble. But hey, if the skies are clean, the terrain really flat with no obstacles, the enemy all nicely standing in a single spot waiting for you to shoot at them, it's going to be very effective. Just look at the Siegfried line, it's all hills, rivers, forests sprinkled with dragon teeth, water filled trenches, anti-tank ditches and ditches. You aren't going to be able to take a shot at the enemy from 10 kilometers away because the terrain just doesn't allow it, you'll be forced to move up and suddenly, everyone can shoot at you.

[@TythetankguyWT]

6:38 tutel protecting its little brother

[@CocoHutzpah]

That's 500hp measured at the crankshaft. Was the effective horsepower or torque ever measured?

[@BrownBread-qq2jp]

What a great machine spirit

[@wtdoober]

Was not expecting the Girls und Panzer reference 😂 Thank you for that

[@davydatwood3158]

The T-28 feels like the ultimate expression of the WW1 tank concept - a heavily armoured, powerfully armed vehicle capable of advancing into the teeth of enemy fire coming from a fixed target. And like many ultimate expressions of a concept, it arrived just in time for the need to have vanished. In other words, the T-28 is the armoured vehicle equivalent of the MiniDisc.

[@sillymilly-1]

who thought it would be a good idea to give it the engine of a sherman

[@Messametti]

Today russians build barns around T-72s to make turtle tanks.

[@stijnVDA1994]

I'm more curious about what happened with the second prototype... Also: TUTELLL.....

[@GenJeFT]

Yup, lets send the T28 to Arizona... to test... floating bridges... in a desert. I guess I will check that off my unexpected bingo card.

[@jarink1]

The original London Bridge from the 18030s was torn down and rebuilt in Arizona at Lake Havasu.

[@astora5207]

American engineers racking their brains on what the designation of their super heavy tank should be, only to have the players of a military MMO call it a "tutel" 79 years later: (That channel mascot 😳)

[@OmarGarcia-kr4jz]

lol 15:31 it escaped for 1 second

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

If the T28 was in fact a modified turret, and track/gearbox mod for a Sherman hull, maybe it would have been used in Europe by the Engineering Corps and disassembled when not in use. As a unique machine with unique logistic requirements, it never was going to face combat unless the Germans somehow managed to force the western front into trench warfare. But There were not enough soldiers fighting on the western front and the Germans focused on Montgomery and hoped to defeat the invasion near the beaches to cut the logistics of the whole force. And they lacked the manpower to be everywhere at once. The fortifications the Germans hoped to use were supposed to be held by strong garrisons, and they simply did not exist at the time they were challenged.

[@kirotheavenger60]

Although hindsight tells us the German fortification network failed, it was still smart to design a counter in case things did bog down there. The last thing you'd want is your army to bog down and have to grind for a couple years in trench warfare whilst you design a complex new tank.

[@Jkush463]

this thing would have gotten smoked by artillery in no time in real life, or a plane.

[@Kalashnikov413]

Considering that there are no more Luftwaffe aircraft capable of making a threat, and artillery being not that different, i'd say the T28 would doing fine

[@ConeOfArc]

Getting a direct hit with artillery on it, even with it being slow moving, would be quite difficult and if it wasn't a direct hit it would be unlikely to cause any significant damage

[@flarvin8945]

@@ConeOfArcall arty has to do is track it, or knock out is its sights. Not doing much if it can't' move or see.

[@jonathanallen3688]

​@@flarvin8945you are over glorifying the accuracy of CAS and artillery fire of the time. Unlike what war thunder or similar games would have believe neither were all that accurate till guidance systems and ballistic computers were readily available.

[@flarvin8945]

@@jonathanallen3688 no, the fate of many of the German heavy tanks, were not being destroyed by direct fire. But due to being immobilized, from varies means, including enemy fire. Immobilization has always been a major threat to tanks, going back to the first ones. And immobilization or sights/weapon damage is the major threat most enemy indirect fire posed. Thinking T28 would require a direct hit by arty to doing any significant damage to it, flies in the face of reality.