The Untold stories of PRE MOTOWN CHICAGO CIRCUIT JACKSON 5 (The EDiT E1-E4)

This comp encapsulates the first 4 episodes of the THRILLER EFFECT.
The Legend of Mj and the J5 has been done over and over. The story has become a part of the fiber of the MJ fan community and can be recited from memory. However, there are many parts of the historical record that have never been included in the official cannon.
The story basically has Joseph Jackson a frustrated crane operator/steel mill worker coming home to find Tito had broken his guitar. Tito, under threat of switch or belt smashed it and the J5 were born.
So much history to be fleshed out in the maze that is J5 and Mj history. It's the road from rehearsals at 2300 Jackson street to the multitude of talent shows throughout Gary, Indiana. The replacement at lead singer from the talented Jermaine to the gifted youngest-at-the-time, Mj. The decision was a Mom vs Pop debate that Mj's singular skillset took out of their hands.
The J5 took their act on the road and the chitlin circuit called the J5 even on school days. The boys were gigging after school till two or 3 am only to repeat the next school night. Papa Joe was as relentless as he had to be even though Mj would later lament the rigor of his daily regimen.
This is a history with all the highs and lows that you already know and many that you don't. Mj's trust matrix was configured in these earliest of days. Everyone who saw him saw the dollars that were to come. His future stardom seems to have never been in question even back in the days of amateur night and the J5 "residency" evenings at various night spots around Gary, Indiana.
Starting in 1965 through 1968, this is when the lawsuits began. Steeltown records via Atlantic Records imprint Atco vied with Motown for the rights to the J5. The characters have been telling their side.
The boys were still on the road constantly. Joseph was overdoing it as manager. He's gotten them gigs at "Guys & Gals" and at the possible strip club "Mr. Lucky's (unconfirmed). Joseph had also signed a 6 month contract with the local record company STEELTOWN. This period includes the recording and release of the first single on STEELTOWN called "Big Boy". I had heard the song before but I recall the releases being cheaply packaged and the sound was substandard and unmastered in the 90's. However, now I have taken the opportunity to listen to it and it's really a cool track. It is definitely of its time and shows off the power that Michael's voice always had. His phrasing is unique too. Point being, Big Boy was an excellent regional marketing tool for the Jackson 5 back in 1968. It allowed the family to sell the record at gigs and reportedly the record sold about 100,000 copies.
We all know that Michael Jackson was hounded by the press. We have seen how people used their proximity to the family to profit off of the Jackson family celebrity. Janet Jackson once said in a pre Control era interview that she, "never knows if someone is wants to be friends with her to get close to Michael or one of her brothers". Michael Jackson would use these interactions to great effect in songs like "Billie Jean", Dirty Diana", "Who is it?", "Dangerous", "Wanna be Starting Something", "Leave Me alone", "Smooth Criminal" etc, etc, etc...
Michael Jackson's paranoia was justified and the lawsuits started almost immediately. There was a legal battle between Motown and the distribution company that released the Jackson 5 regional hit "Big Boy". There were almost simultaneous releases of "vault tracks" to coincide with the Motown number 1's, "I want you back", "ABC", "The Love You Save", and "I'll be there" by Steeltown Records. There was an album by a group called The Ripples and the Waves featuring Michael", that included and sound alike kid named Michael. The release was deliberately meant to capitalise on the Jackson 5 mania that had the nation in it's grip between late 1969 and 1973. The Ripples and waves featuring Johnny would result in one of the most confusing lawsuits I've ever seen. Michael would be sued for songs 30 years after the fact. Full film documentary exposition with Gordon Keith here @kennethjoseph1666
People from his old Gary, Indiana neighbourhood sued him. House staff sued them, even Motown would sue them for the name "Jackson 5" even though they had been using it for years prior to signing the initial Motown recording agreement. The more I see, I realise that Joe Jackson was holding it all together. Jackie, Rebbie, Jermaine, La Toya, Marlon, Michael, Randy and Janet have all recognised that the Steelworker without a High School diploma had genius of a sort. Maybe it was just the old school grit of a determined man.

[@J.Fro90]

This is INCREDIBLE!! This editing & animation is meticulous! Is there a patreon or something we can follow to keep the support up? I want to stay up on this & he apart of supporting & maybe helping in some way

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Amazing compliment and so kind of you to say. Here’s the Patreon link. Thank you for being so enthusiastic! patreon.com/user?u=53135510&Link

[@paulharding1972]

@@TheThrillerEffectThe videos you create for Prince and Michael Jackson are amazing. The work you put into them and the way you edit them are so unique. Being a fan of both MJ & Prince I really admire your dedication and the amount of time and effort you put into researching and putting together these videos.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

@@paulharding1972 love to hear it. Thank you!

[@rebeccateece9292]

@@TheThrillerEffect Just waiting a message shows you support and it is not for you it is for Michael Jackson the King Of Pop God rest his soul he maybe dead but he will always be loved and People and fans that will always defend and respect and love him forever i think that is OK !! 👊💖✌😇🇬🇧🙏🏻isn't it !!

[@TheThrillerEffect]

@@rebeccateece9292 ABSOLUTELY!

[@kendrickmagee672]

I'll forever be a Michael Jackson and Jackson 5 fan

[@Aristocrats1234]

Yes MJ is forever the "King of Pop." I'm everyday playing his songs. 😓 However, the J5 is the "Truth." I'll always love them.💕 They are the best of the best boy band in the history of soul music. #1 Forever in my heart. Thanks for posting.☮️💟

[@sistagirllondon]

Jackson Five FOREVER ❤❤❤❤

[@MichaelGarcia-sp7sx]

As a huge MJ fan appreciate the content man 🤝

[@TheThrillerEffect]

appreciate you MG. Thanks... please hit that like.

[@PoppaEbaby]

This is a great information about the Jackson 5. I was really surprised that they even mentioned Gordon Keith. Everyone in Gary knew about Gordon Keith and the Betrayal.

[@thadiusventricle6752]

You need to take this somewhere BIG! I’m almost afraid that a big budget would ruin it. So intelligent and insightful. Wonderful to hear the story from the mouths of he subjects.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

amazing complement. thank you!

[@Regkam2]

If the mob owned ‘music’ back then, Mr Gordy had to make a deal with the ‘devil’ to get his music distributed and played on radio

[@PrimordialBeing360]

Berry Gordy is P. Diddy.

[@NiseyC.-ec3jm]

DUH...

[@zerotolerance5019]

​@@NiseyC.-ec3jm🎯

[@tonyhardin2508]

What a wonderful documentary! Thank you for the time and effort that you put into this story. I absolutely love your work!

[@ColleenTranter]

The Jackson 5 and Michael love them. Nice to hear love to hear their families stories. When Michael was so innocent and didn't know how much of an effect he would have the most talented and loving family ❣️😍

[@TheThrillerEffect]

BeAutiful sentiments 😇

[@dwaynewashington8290]

Great video and info…what’s even greater is the editing.i can tell you worked hard on this.great job

[@TheThrillerEffect]

I appreciate that!. Happy that you enjoyed it.

[@lesal.1373]

Just like OUTIM from Sinnik22, using found audio and images, is the most honest way to tell the story! Good use of AI for MJ reading. Thank you!

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Glad you liked it!

[@GuardedCrown]

These long edits are so thorough. Very impressive production. .

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Much appreciated!

[@traceyjones76]

I really enjoyed this...extremely informative😊😊

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Amazing and encouraging to hear. I’ll keep it up. Don’t forget to poke. Thanks again

[@ColleenTranter]

Nice way to tell their story they were truly a talented group love to hear this the love they had for each other how they started what they went thru wasn't easy by far

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Beautiful compliment. MORE TO COME!

[@elwin38]

Love or hate Joe Jackson, he worked them hard but they(the Jackson brothers)had raw natural talent too. Joe dug/pried all of that raw talent out and there you go.

[@RappMDTV]

I’ve saved this to favorites, and shared to my fb page. This is fantastic.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Many thanks! Hopefully a good amount of this is new to you. Appreciate the share SO MUCH!

[@danavixen6274]

My FAVORITE musical family. ❤

[@TheThrillerEffect]

DeBarge? 5 Star? Tavares? Sylvers? Osmonds?

[@danavixen6274]

@@TheThrillerEffect DeBarge and 5 Star are HIGH in the ranking with the Jacksons. Same with the Bee Gees. ❤️

[@sistagirllondon]

Jackson Five FOREVER ❤❤❤

[@rebeccateece9292]

Michael Jackson ❤❤👑🇬🇧

[@TheThrillerEffect]

[@rebeccateece9292]

@@TheThrillerEffect 👋

[@katrinawilliams7407]

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT HOUSE THAT YOUR SHOWING THAT LITTLE HOUSE IS 2300 JACKSON ST. GARY IN. ALL DAY LONG!

[@dumisa7]

14.15 - the emotion in Michael's voice when he says, "...best experience in the world."❤

[@TheThrillerEffect]

MJ had that emotion.

[@Diddddu]

Why don't they just give Gladys Knight her props for actually discovering them.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

I think they had been through the years. But Diana Ross keeps popping in and out.

[@Diddddu]

@@TheThrillerEffect Well Jermaine says it in this doc.I could imagine since he (Barry Gordy)was taking it down lol.

[@codychavarria6088]

They do now though, it's been said so many times. Motown had Ross just introduce them since she amd the Supreme were on top of the world maybe more than Gladys Idk

[@tonijones83]

Ikr. Always trying to say it was Diana Ross

[@michaellofton7488]

Those were the days..............

[@chandraharding4849]

For the LAST time, Johnny Jackson was NOT their cousin. May Johnny rest in peace.

[@garlandshort8416]

Johnny did an interview and he said he was family. Janet paid for his funeral

[@user-yj7de1gj2s]

God bless all of them

[@michealbaskerville8832]

"Don't stop till you get enough...🤘🏿👑

[@codychavarria6088]

Michaels home movie The Legend Continues vhs. Which is awesome I might add, Tells the truth of the J5 discovery and touches on it briefly.

[@andrewsmith6983]

The jackson brothers should get involved with this project. This is already extremely vivid and that's amazingly important. They can add to these stories with anything left out and make it an absolute source for future seekers of MJ's life.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

That would be fantastic!

[@tamiavlogs107]

I LOVED THIS VIDEO YOUR SO UNDERRATED AND I PRAY YOU GET A BIG PLATFORM THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!!

[@TheThrillerEffect]

🤗Send em up! & thank YOU!!!!

[@teresawicks-kq3bq]

Joe did a MARVELOUS Job wit his boys❤❤

[@TheThrillerEffect]

absolutely

[@sabretooth717]

Excellent job ❤

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Thank you

[@harrywilliams7082]

This is a good documentary on J5 what was interesting the other artists that were around them such as the Emotions ,5 Stairsteps , Gladys Knight and more I didn't know we did not knew they grew up in Gary until 1971 because me and my brothers grew up in Benton Harbor Michigan Motown moved before we could be known our mother would not let us go our band was good about 1974 we missed the boat

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Mom in protect mode

[@blondie7389]

Great story of these legends 🎶👏🏽🙌🏽🔥💪🏾🙏🏽

[@maryjbenson7947]

Barry Gordy had his own mob

[@TheThrillerEffect]

I believe it

[@kingsports1113]

Hell yeah

[@jonjonharreld7602]

This Is Really Dope...Love My Bro's Jackie Marlon Tito Jermaine Michael Randy The Jacksons The Greatest Entertainers Of All Time...Fam Fa'Life One Love Fa'Sho.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Thank you! Definite legends

[@coogieman4659]

Michael jackson is the king of pop 🤴🏽

[@fredicagoillanoise1309]

What if J5 got discovered by and put on by a Chicago label ala Brunswick, CurTom or Chess or even if One-Der ful! would've went on and signed them...How would they've sounded?

[@TheThrillerEffect]

They might have had that Stairsteps vibe.

[@alexandradillard2077]

They may not have been as big. Everything happens for a reason.

[@Ktown4411fulton]

They would of got discovered real easy Chicago ain't nuttin but talent facts

[@alexandradillard2077]

I was not downplaying Chicago Soul. I loved it! I was looking for a song from a singer on the Brunswick label and was able to find Otis Leaville's I Love You! That song was played in the San Francisco Bay Area's KDIA radio, as well as other of my forgotten, but favorite Brunswick songs, such as the Sly, the Slick and the Wicked!

[@jonjonharreld7602]

It Definitely Wouldn't Be What It Is Today...Motown Just Had That Magic And CBS Took Them Into Outerspace...One Love Fam.

[@pauljonessoftware]

And Gladys Knight put my son and his pre-teen group on too. We have a photo of this lovely lady with the boys. What a lady.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

I know you got a story that goes with it though.

[@pauljonessoftware]

@@TheThrillerEffect Indeed. My son and a few precocious, childhood friends formed a boy band about 15 years ago playing live instruments. They created enough of a buzz locally that Ms. Knight actually heard about them. She allowed them to open for her one night here in Columbia, South Carolina. Then, she was gracious enough to take a picture with my son and the rest of the band. It was the first time I ever saw him starstruck. Today, he is an HBCU graduate and a professional musician traveling the world. I credit Ms. Knight as being one of his earliest influences and helping to instill in him the confidence to live out his dreams. I'm so proud of him and I will always be a fan of hers.

[@patriece2215]

Such a good video but the animations are moving so fast. I’m trying to keep up but my eyes are tired, I had to watch the video on .75 speed.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Sorry about that

[@handsome-brute2666]

Reynaud looks like OJ

[@rparchman]

Is there a part 2?

[@TheThrillerEffect]

yessir, hopefully drops tomorrow

[@tracylee4451]

Michael Joe Jackson is his legal name ❤

[@TheThrillerEffect]

How did they know to make Mj the Joseph?

[@tracylee4451]

@TheThrillerEffect his legal middle name is Joe. It is on the legal documents for the 2005 trial. It is also stated in The Jacksons American Dream movie when they were trying to give the baby a name. Katherine, played by Angela Bassett, clearly says Michael Joe Jackson twice. Joseph is his dad's name. I have also seen Michael's Motown id and it's listed as Michael Joe Jackson

[@goldenstreets29]

Yes it is Joe

[@tracylee4451]

@@goldenstreets29 yep

[@MJo-ng4lj]

❤🎉

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Thank you! Don't forget to like the video!

[@Songwriterbehindthecurtain]

🤯

[@ThePrinceOfTheTalkbox]

10:29 YOU AINT GOIN NOWHERE... thats typical of your hometown.. they dont see The Vision.. until after its Seen... then they wanna PIECE OF THE PIE.. they didnt help bake

[@pfrazier11]

Steel town records owner was SALTY they went to mowtown lol

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Dude sued them till the day he died in like 2020

[@MotherDivasHouseTVSeries]

Honey I have the contract. Joe went behind Gordon Back and did a deal with Motown after Gordon got them a distribution deal on Atlantic I have that contract to. Gordon was my client. Why do you think it took a year in a half for Motown to release their first album. Motown had to buy out the contract from Atlantic I got all.the truth and tea and receipts.

[@codychavarria6088]

J5 on Atlantic would have been epic aswel

[@TheThrillerEffect]

The steeltown contract is for 8 months.

[@MotherDivasHouseTVSeries]

@TheThrillerEffect No it was for 6 months it was signed November 21 1967 the deal was two songs and they recorded 5. The contract had a clause if Steeltown recorded at least two songs in 6 months Steeltown has the option of renewing the contract. Steeltown got a distribution deal with Atlantic Records on March 5, 1968. I have both contracts would you like me to email them to you?

[@dvdmike]

The Spaniels' lead singer was Pookie Hudson, NOT Pookie Watson.

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Yup. Slipped. Wrote Hudson, said Watson. My bad.

[@arnibah]

Ronny Milsap?

[@TheThrillerEffect]

Yep. Wild right?

[@blesssyourheart333]

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