The US Air Force's Lunar SPACEPLANE Idea in Kerbal Space Program

The Lunex is one of my favourite "alternate history" Moon missions, so why not revisit the Air Force's spaceplane?
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[@wooptydo6241]

not an alt history mission but would be an interesting challenge: reverse moon launch. start from any of the moons in the kerbol system, land on kerbin and then return to the starting moon.

[@Luc-jc4dl]

From laythe, probably

[@emmata98]

I like the Idea of having to deorbit a heavy launcher to get off a planet. Like Venus Direct RSS from Macanello.

[@Coli2603]

Launch from kerbin - land on mun - land on kerbin - land on minmus - land back on kerbin

[@rigf1997]

So you start on the mun, just launch to kerbin, and back to the mun, not that hard lol

[@wooptydo6241]

@@rigf1997 "any moon" you could launch from Tylo if you'd like.

[@alexpym8216]

9:30 Jeb:"one small step for kerbal." (Casually glitching down ladder)

[@red_five3325]

And one giant dent for your helmet.

[@TURPEG]

It's bob not jeb

[@SmikeMan]

And a big kraken attack for the lander

[@floppy8960]

also, that "spaceplane ' is actually a "Fuelless horizontal rocket"

[@julianmckinnon7615]

yes.

[@cloroxusthestainlessone4324]

"Buzz, we're flying" "We're not flying, were falling with style"

[@kuckian]

i am too excited for ksp 2 now

[@racingmhf9157]

We need to wait ONLY 2 years for it now ;-;

[@tuga_ace]

Don t pee your pants

[@robertoroberto9798]

Guess what happened!

[@RamanNoodles01]

Welp…

[@TerribleUsernameAmirite]

Dear Matthew, It is unfortunate that you have forgotten the main focus of this video, The Whiskey review. I am sorely disappointed and hope you will not make this mistake again. Thank you. (jk love u)

[@marekverescak2493]

"I never make mistakes"- Matt Lowne

[@Agent-ic1pe]

This is a Hwiskey Review channel after all, hopefully he remembers next time

[@cadgecorp]

Agent 008 with some Kerbal space space program back round

[@user2C47]

Maybe he found the checkbox for COPPA.

[@haroldinho9930]

Well that went further than I expected

[@astronomical4763]

NASA: Lets send a spaceplane to the moon Matt Lowne: Hold my whiskey

[@jadz.nerdytransfem]

Astronomical but he forgot the hwhiskey review!

[@astronomical4763]

@@jadz.nerdytransfem I did notice that

[@astronomical4763]

😂

[@ScalarYoutube]

You should totally make a VERTICAL SSTO like thunderbird 3. That would be amazing

[@drone3256]

YES

[@Oh-ss8rl]

Thunderbird= blunderbirds

[@tassadar7945]

@@Oh-ss8rl Yes we all know that the awesome 1960's puppet show stole its idea from matt lowne's Blunderbirds series

[@astrosgamingworld]

good to meet a thunderbirds are go fan!

[@Twan_kosse]

idea for a video (i don't have discord so i'll just leave it here): what if you where to make a little rover, wich kan hop between plannets? in orbit there is a little craft wich it docks to when in space, it flies to a other planet, it undocks, it lands, does sience, and takes of again. it can refuel on the planets, and an engineer can reset the landing ecuipment. it fits in with the small station theme, and i think it would be fun having this little 2-3 kerbals craft being exposed to the heats of moho, and the icey colds of eeloo. if you like it, like so matt (hopefuly) sees it.

[@thanos8641]

Sounds cool but is probably impossible depending on the size of the rover.

[@ryancnayr]

You’re essentially telling him to create a flying brick 😂 he might be good at ksp but he ain’t no magician

[@thanos8641]

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[@ryancnayr]

Thanos ok?

[@thanos8641]

@@ryancnayr yes

[@hanz2035]

I know it's not a Moon mission but can you make a KSP recreation of the Soviet TMK-MAVR mission (flyby of Mars and Venus propelled by the N1-rocket) ?

[@kaydenlewis9246]

no, only usa

[@Astromatter]

9:22 I would love to see you do a Moon mission based off of the 1969 STS concept. A 2-stage fullly reusable space shuttle would fly to LEO and dock to a small orbiting station, where a Nuclear Lunar transfer shuttle was docked. Then the astros would board the nuclear shuttle and fly to Lunar orbit where another small orbiting station was. A lander would be attached to this station and the astros could board it and land.

[@Adi-vq2ek]

2:42 You know, you can set the number of attachment node in the engine plates as well, don't need to use a farring for that anymore.

[@MattLowne]

It's only there for aesthetics, and the fairing base weighs less than an engine plate

[@aj-gt4vj]

What about the whiskey

[@floppy8960]

I find it easier to put 7 vector engines onto 1 engine plate, then the difference in weight doesn't count

[@MattLowne]

@@floppy8960 How does the weight difference not count? It's still a heavier craft than if you were placing 7 vectors on a fairing base. Yes, the TWR negates it but it's good practice to not use heavier components unnecessarily

[@floppy8960]

@@MattLowne Good point, but i just like the aestehtics better

[@madcaptain5525]

Clickbait! There is no whisky review, just him playing ksp

[@janwalkiewicz8072]

Its just matt before coppa was a thing

[@aj-gt4vj]

He has to recreate this mission for the whiskey

[@user2C47]

The COPPA checkbox may be unchecked by default on older videos.

[@fuizin548]

Uc ya en ya well I'd uh oh oh oh ya we if you go if we so us to is in of of ya well I ya EA few week to you so Do us to go is to low is sl la email us still is em is so it's all.

[@Wijshssjej]

@@fuizin548 u ok man?

[@YF-23]

He actually forgot the chwhisky review!

[@richtigmann1]

Oh noes! the hwhiskey review!

[@jupiter-qu3zl]

Ohno

[@konan102102]

I am disapointed, too. Who is even here for watching rockets?!

[@YF-23]

@@konan102102 true

[@guicky_]

he doesnt have enough money to buy more whiskey, thats what this video is for

[@SmileyFace-_-]

I still cannot muster the skill during this lockdown to play this game with such finesse as Matt. Anyone else?

[@jkerman5113]

I can't build like he can, I find it just incredible that he knows how to place everything like they're Minecraft blocks. I'm having some fun with the Bargain Rocket Parts mod rn.

[@MiguelMitchelMichiel]

I just got the game yesterday, so nobody can relate as much as me lol

[@SmileyFace-_-]

Most of the stuff I make is too over cluttered and not well thought out, I've been playing this game for so so so long on and off but never got a hang of it

[@chris_arge]

ArcTechVR Same here man. I can build a rocket that will get past the atmosphere, and then I can’t do anymore. I’m completely oblivious to the whole flight planing section. No clue how to do it so good

[@Aereto]

@@chris_arge I reached as far as Duna flyby and Eve orbit. Children of a Dead Earth makes KSP look total cakewalk when it comes to orbital transfers and space combat.

[@doubledekercouch]

Matt I got an idea A shuttle where EVERYTHING is reusable Shuttle built similar to the Real space shuttle with external fuel tank and 2 boosters Fuel tank can guide itself back to the runway. Boosters can parachute.

[@camerondon3712]

I'm not sure how feasible that would be but it sounds like a nice idea.

[@doubledekercouch]

Cameron Don in KSP it would be

[@CosmoOSx]

I actually got here from the recommended videos of your original go at this same mission. It's really cool to see how much of a difference 3 years made and the added polish found in this video and craft design.

[@dsyncwashere8077]

"Lmao what if we just put a plane on the moon"

[@marcosrafaelfleitascohene8788]

Yeah

[@ChloeLalonde]

Yeah

[@Saturnares]

Yeah

[@randomgeminiastronaut46]

Yeah

[@CC-gv1yd]

Yeah

[@karenwilson2131]

I Think an alternate space shuttle mission (ie DC-3) would be cool to see. NASA has some rather odd concepts during the design process that would be cool to see actually fly

[@grantexploit5903]

8:40 Actually... there was a proposal for a Direct-Ascent _Gemini_ crewed lunar landing mission with the Saturn V. It was abandoned as it was generally thought the development time saved would not be worth the reduced mission opportunities. It would be cool to see it recreated in KSP, though.

[@CeltonHenderson]

300K Bro! You did it!

[@Ludspo]

Hi matt been a while since I’ve watched your videos because they suddenly went out of my recommended but I’m glad to be back KEEP IT UP!

[@rjkkaus4763]

Matt Could you do a mission where you create the Artemis missions? The moon base that N.A.S.A. announced last summer

[@oscarmeow5348]

Matt! You forgot the key element to this series! The whiskey review!

[@dannypipewrench533]

8:36 The Saturn V as was could probably put it into _orbit._ It would use all of the S-IVB's propellant, but it might be able to do it. 140 tons is a lot to work with. For TLI, it probably could have done it with an S-ID first stage and a NERVA S-IVB. S-ID would drop the outer 4 F-1s after 70% of the propellant was spent, and the NERVA S-IVB offers a huge boost in capacity thanks to wonderful nuclear thermal propulsion.

[@eddietheeagle7376]

I’ll be right back, I need to grab all the snacks

[@peanutbulbasaur7263]

Don’t forget the Doritos!

[@randycampbell6307]

Matt: The launch vehicle for LUNEX was to be based on a USAF design concept called "Space Launch System" (yes the same but a 1960s version seen here: www.astronautix.com/s/sls.html) which was based on Air Force studies which concluded that while Liquid Hydrogen rockets were probably going to be the most efficient type to use they were not all that efficient from the the initial launch so needed high power 'boosters' for the initial 'stage' of the vehicle. Since the AF at the time we heavily investing in solid rocket boosters (and there was an idea at the time that these could be built and used much cheaper than the more expensive liquid propellant rockets) the 'first' stage of each SLS (originally enough named "A", "B", and "C" for which we should forgive the AF as at least they had moved on from the late 40s convention of "Grandmother", "Mother", and "Baby" which was how the 1946 "World Circling Rocket" stages were named but I digress) was paired large solid rocket motors (up to four) mated to a core stage powered initially by a liquid hydrogen version of the ubiquitous LR87 (www.astronautix.com/l/lr87lh2.html) still the only liquid engine to be tested/operated with all three of the 'big-3' liquid propellants, (kerosene/LOX, LH2/LOX and storerable propellants) but later to be replaced by the AF funded J2 (www.astronautix.com/j/j-2.html) rocket engines. The SRBs would lift the stack initially much like the (then) planned upgraded Titan launch vehicle at which point the LH2 stages would push the stack the rest of the flight. While it wasn't likely they AF was going to get anywhere with the actual LUNEX mission it's a shame we didn't see more interest in the SLS itself as it would have given the US a very broad launch capability by the late 60s from medium payloads carried by the "A" all the way up to Saturn-class payloads in the most powerful "BC" vehicle. Randy

[@badbeardbill9956]

Yeah it’s pretty cool. I think it was Space Launcher System but I can’t quite recall.

[@randycampbell6307]

@@badbeardbill9956 Yep, (SLS-1960 in the link above) while I doubt the monster "C" booster would have been built as planned, (25ft in diameter, 173ft long) as it would have needed the massive but un-built M1 (or 12 J-2 engines) hydrolox engines and also massive 180 inch diameter Solid Rocket Boosters. (The Shuttle and Titan SRB's are only 120 inches) But I suspect actually building the SLS-1960 would be a major challenge in KSP given the control needs and the fact the first part of the flight is with SRBs alone. (Hopefully Matt takes that as a challenge? :) )

[@simonkimberly6956]

I love it when these videos become educational and about spaceflight history!

[@mintygames945]

Hey your nearly 300k! Good luck From a happy subscriber that loves your KSP VIDEOS!!!

[@kibble9101]

Hey Matt! It would be cool if you could recreate the NASA proposed Apollo-Venus mission. If I remember correctly, it was a modified Saturn rocket with a Skylab that would attempt a fly-by of Venus and would deploy a small probe into Venus. Of course Eve would be used instead of Venus. I apologize if i got some info wrong, but it is a very interesting mission proposal!

[@mattymurphy8929]

I get so happy and excited that matts uploaded a ksp video. Also realise i have to wait another week for one.

[@Cptn.Viridian]

8:50 Sea Dragon Concept: Am I a joke to you?

[@UNSCPILOT]

Gotta love a rocket so big they planned to build it in a submarine yard and launch it strait out of the sea, Seadragon is awesome

[@hanz5680]

Thank you , Matt lowne. Support as always hopefully you'll hit 1M

[@Ckamerad]

Hey sir. Just wanted to say thank you so much for the content. Im away from home working to keep our essential workers safe from the virus. I miss human contact and my family like crazy. Your content is one of the things keeping me sane right now. After a long day, getting back to the hotel to see you have uploaded a video is a real treat. Thanks my friend for all of your fantastic content.

[@namelessjames7696]

I think an interesting video would be if you did a recreation of the Tintin rocket but the problem would be that you wouldn’t be able to stage it...

[@MrElielsebastian]

Matt, you are the best thing that happened to me this quarantine

[@korfi8267]

Id like to see some sort of Recreation of moon landings from the series “For All Mankind”, including (spoilers btw) Jamestown Base, Apollo 11 near failed landing, First soviet man landing, or something else

[@spinningsquare1325]

Waiting for season 2

[@ArcXDZ]

Waiting for season 3

[@insertusernamehere9023]

Video ideas: Minmus fuel base and ferrys to get fuel back to kerbin (Maybe a station too) and resupply missions for all of your colonies and stations (Food, new science equiptment and new modules)

[@PS-nf3xw]

I need a movie,like your trilogy. Period

[@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957]

Re: the thing where burn requirements shift around, I've noticed this, it changes when you use SAS to modify your attitude (my theory is the flight computer tries to adjust for all forces on the vehicle, including the added gyro force), which then goes away after the gyros restabilize.

[@billybob-bc3lr]

could you build a spacecraft that goes to mun without any orbits? like in films where they just seem to go in a straight line.

[@mohamedyahya5952]

You should recreate the Buran/energia space shuttle

[@travisshea9809]

Personal favorite alternate history moon landing story: one of the many soviet lander designs was using a full Soyuz coupled to a proton kick stage for a direct decsent lander design. Always thought it looked really nice and kerbal with the big lander stage and long long ladder. Sadly there isnt a whole lot of info out there about it.

[@albertnonymous5042]

IMO the Sea Dragon is hysterical, and I would love to see you make one

[@matthewdossantos1414]

While not an alternate history, I'd love to see you recreate the currently planned Artemis Moon Base, I don't fully understand it, but if I saw it done I might understand it more and I think it'd be cool to see you do it!

[@P2873]

You should make the Sea Dragon! I watched For All Mankind, and it was the end credit scene!!!

[@thomasvandorpe8145]

You should recreate the Falcon nine drone ship landing! Also, in order to help with air launched missions, look in curse forge for air park. It will keep the plane stationary whilst you get the rocket into orbit sort of. Have a great day/night (I don’t know what time it is for you)

[@samsherlock2047]

The video i'd most like to see is an Osiris Rex re-creation as its really just a cool mission also pls do double whiskey review next vid i literally got out of bed and main feature of the video wasn't even there

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

i did some expirementing with lifting body drones in KSP, and you could have gotten away gliding with just the Mk.2 fuselage but landing would be unstable as all hell but it would look cool.

[@johndoeswork]

Awesome video as always Matt, thank you!

[@tjkelly9051]

Video idea, a recreation of the sea dragon concept with or without mods.

[@siriusk1453]

How about Daedalus engine

[@lowereducation6631]

I'm wearing PANTS!!! WAIT? WHAT VIDEO.... OH. YES great work as always Matt.

[@gamereditor59ner22]

A beautiful launch you made!!!🍻

[@davros_adl8155]

You should do more of these videos!

[@jayspillane990]

Remember when you got copyrighted from using joakim karuds music, i mean i use his music all the time, except you have to leave the song name in the description,

[@jbritain]

He got copyright claimed because he's large enough that Sony noticed him and decided they wanted more money. They wouldn't bother with a relatively small channel like yours. Edit: wasn't meant to be an insult, 150 subs is still an achievement.

[@davros_adl8155]

@@jbritain Accidental OOF

[@solarisone1082]

@@jbritain: I felt that burn all the way from here.

[@andrewchapman2039]

This makes me wonder what a rocket launched from a stealth bomber would look like

[@matrimhelmsgaard]

I really want you to do a Martian mission, where the rescue mission is on the way back to earth and need refueling, before getting Jebediah on Duna that has to get to an old lander by rover. And use that to get to the rescuers without maneuver nodes and maybe some jet pack magic. I think you'd love to set it up and execute the mission and even more some Matt Lowne trademarked commentary :D

[@nathanblake2075]

Lol Jeb did a full backflip when climbing down the ladder 9:30

[@claudiamiranda2630]

Hi Matt! Haven't watched you for years, and today I decided that I've had enough of this shit. I'm watching this for nostalgia,and entertaiment. You're a good youtuber. Keep it up!

[@snottytoe6957]

My first mun landing was a very smooth landing, however I only had 780m/s of fuel, so for me it wasnt possible to return back. I ended up having to make a rescue mission (which somehow worked really well) and was able to recover the data and the pilot and scientist. During that rescue mission, my final stage still had like 3000m/s of fuel during my mun escape orbit towards kerman.

[@cripplemadewhole]

Create the Lunar Gateway using only Falcon 9 style reusable rockets, expert mode is landing only back on the KSP launchpad, insane mode is to reuse the rockets w/o recovering them using in-game mechanics ;)

[@kerbalaerospaceagency1086]

I enjoyed it when u did the Soviet UR-700 rocket so could u plz do it again like u did with the lunex. #USSRSPACEPROGRAM

[@shelby6745]

Hey Matt, I was wondering if you could make a tutorial on motors, rotors and propellers because I can't for the life of me figure it out. Everything online is either from before stock propellers were added and people had to get creative, or they are building their own propellers and explaining rotors. Do you think you could explain how the stock propellers and rotors work?

[@kylesaunders9529]

I would suggest a starlink inspired stage of a lander/rover vehicle (or a individual vehicle as a whole) so that a new exploration of a body would be set for planet wide for communications. How ever you spin it I'm sure a multiple satellite deployment would look really nice.

[@crash2181]

I would love to see you re-create the voyager mission. Set-up and launch

[@endamurphy3230]

You should build the proposed mir 2 spacestation?

[@t65bx25]

Matt, speaking of remaking your older videos, I might suggest doing the LOP-G mission you did here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKi5hJSiqc1qgZY

[@arcanumraptor3948]

congrats on 300k!

[@patrickfargie1146]

It would be cool if you managed a recreation of the mission from the movie Armageddon.

[@StahnDAileron]

How about doing a Space Shuttle Mun landing? I know it was basically a LEO "space truck" only, but that would've been one heck of an alternative history if the Shuttle design could have literally gone further. Dunno if and/or what you'd want for a payload, though.

[@davidammerling8231]

How about recreating Spacex Starship moon landing where two dock in orbit to refuel.

[@sodaithink]

matt: sets a stage to slam into a celestial body at 600m/s also matt: *so itll just harmlessly crash into the surface leaving no debris-*

[@Aereto]

What if: Lowne out of Whiskey to review.

[@mrPrunes12]

Could you attempt a Sea Dragon? In theory able to carry 550 tonnes to orbit and its launch platform was the ocean!

[@Nassault]

Thanks again Matt for another 15 minutes of forgetting the world is madness :--) As always, I can't wait for more of your KSP content

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

4:27 Ijayjustahhh

[@Turbotoilet1997]

KZbin:Matt Has a new video Me:runs to the pantry and gets some chips

[@benrussell-gough1201]

Request: Steven Baxter's AAP Skylab-derived Ares Mars mission. KSP-equivalent Saturn-V multi-launch and orbital assembly of an Kerbin-Eve-Duna-Kerbin orbiter also carrying a large Mk3 control pod-derived lander. Challenging enough?

[@jaydenli2125]

Matt, that's an anachronism!!! The RS25 wasn't there until, like 20 years ago?

[@simonshemetilo4606]

Bring back game of drones

[@jpase]

Where's the whiskey! Where's the whiskey! I need whiskey review!

[@Patchuchan]

Recreate one the Lunar Gemini concepts.

[@BQQBIES]

You gotta watch this at .5 speed, it's awesome!

[@davros_adl8155]

Build the Jamestown from for all mankind and expand it with Sea Dragons!

[@aidenmemes3787]

Where’s my whiskey review I did not come to see space I came to hear the joys of alcohol and which whiskey best suits today’s fine occasion, you would want me thinking this was a KIDS CHANNEL 🤔

[@Nathan-dk4mv]

What would be with the Missions from the Eyes turned Skywards alternative history line?

[@syco1998]

You could give the Mun a moon by capturing a giant asteroid. And then proceed to attach a station to it.

[@nines3048]

it's not a recreation of an actual space mission, but if you found a way to get a real solar system (I don't know how, I don't actually play the game) and made a ship packed full of RCS thrusters, seeing a recreation of the thrusters only slingshot to Ganymede from The Expanse would be a treat.

[@Fireheart318]

This is reeeally pushing the definition of ‘alternate history’, but I’ve always gotten a kick out of the ridiculousness of Fallout’s moon war.

[@imahorse5596]

I think it would be cool to do a voyager 1 or 2 recreation with the correct gravity assists and everything

[@MattLowne]

All my Eeloo SSTO videos use LOTS of gravity assists, and those are much more impressive missions than Voyager-style :)

[@PandoraJustice]

Its been about 2 years time to remake this one more time

[@planetearth2249]

I never knew this was an actual plan for a moon mission until now

[@danirfan5452]

Do an Artemis recreation

[@wyldbytes]

You could try doing the BIS Lunar Lander

[@nottiboi4127]

Matt you’re underrated af

[@domenicocastagna6774]

thanks a lot for keeping me entertained during this quarantine time!

[@beriorgar]

where's my whiskey review? this is still a whiskey review channel, right?

[@kabama8388]

Quarantine be hitting hard

[@bwblack5984]

Looks like one of the Space Shuttle concept design

[@MultiCatRain]

Lol the mun encounter was having a ciezure

[@damianrangel1252]

You should do the gemini missions, I think they would make interesting videos