The US-China Global Dominance Debate (w/ Mike Green and Louis Vincent Gave)

[@arrogantprickly]

This should be a 10 part series. Awesome discussion. Mike Green is brilliant, but way to optimistic about American education. He's vastly underrating the destruction of our culture and work ethic. It's getting worse, not better.

[@fafa8]

We need a Kyle Bass vs Louis Vincent Gave debate.

[@tthex6484]

Another so called US expert predicting Chinese collapse hahahahah everyday a new fool comes out

[@tuckerbugeater]

It's propaganda. We're being slowly consumed by the technocratic state. They want us to feel powerful.

[@TheEternalHermit]

Wow the guy on the left looks like a character in Dune. (Where because of exposure to the spice their eyes have a blue glow).

[@TheClayCreature]

Enjoyed that movie......"fear is the mind killer" which is happening right now because the dollars must flow.

[@brucecaptain4888]

Dude. He used filter. If you use messenger and have a video call, this face filter is one of options.

[@noahlockwood9766]

Guys, c'mon - this goes way beyond any reasonable application of CYA - and you know that.

[@Bentam64]

Incredible analysis

[@ericweis9771]

Great episode and thank you. Very informative perspectives.

[@davidramaley1465]

I loved the debate and thank you so much for bringing people on that disagreed with each other. It is always imperative to hear views opposite of ours to come to the most beneficial decisions

[@galenflynn6725]

Was listening to this on spotify when I heard Mike Green say there are productivity gains to be had through homeschooling and I almost fell out of my chair. Widespread homeschooling will take women back out of the workforce in a huge way. Should be obvious that homeschooling is less efficient than having 20 student classes. Goes against one of the core tenants of capitalism that there is value in the division of labor.

[@manxman5825]

Higher birth rates though.

[@kkz2916]

Western democracies? Oxymoron.

[@hellenicfighter8796]

Go live in Russia or China then. You are free to go.

[@kkz2916]

@@hellenicfighter8796 Well given the recent circumstances I just might move to the east.

[@sandymilne224]

Global development actually moves around the world visiting nations. It visited Britain in the industrial revolution, it visited Japan after the war, it visited Hong Kong, then Taiwan, then Malaysia and on to China. Sure, China is the second largest economy but it’s now developed and development is now moving to less expensive jurisdictions. As the US has been and was at the top of its game, China too has been at the top of its game. But development simply moves on! China can’t make it stay in China. Education and engineers with no jobs aren’t going to keep China afloat. They will bleed jobs. Many engineers will leave for Africa to use that labor pool and resources. China has no natural resources sufficient enough to sustain its growth. Everything needs to be imported. Without commodities that are the core of all products, they become a net importer of what is needed for those engineers to work on. Development is moving to Vietnam, India, Bangladesh, and Africa is the last and final frontier for manufacturing. Also, China is losing its population of working age people. It has the second fastest aging population in the world, after Japan. The majority of Chinese successful companies are those that are SOE’s, not individual free enterprise companies. Most of the free enterprise companies are in financial trouble. Boom times are not gone, but are waining quickly. Great debate. And of course time will tell. China needs to develop an internal market if it wants to become sustainable. The problem is... it can’t in any reasonable time frame. The whole world is going to fintech, not just China. Within 2-5 years almost all countries will have digital currencies. China has no definitive lead that is meaningful in that move away from fiat currency. Especially one that is sustainable. Finally, China’s debt is so large that it is going to be a drag on ROI for many years to come. Devaluation is coming soon which will be a real issue for them moving forward. China is not out of the water yet, no matter what it looks like. Especially if lady development is moving on to other countries.

[@sandymilne224]

@@klepzo :That’s a ghost. Japan couldn’t do that. No other country can or has or will do that. China is at the end of the development cycle, not the middle of it. And it’s the other way around. Development has grabbed China. And it will leave when it wants to.

[@Rothbardo]

I wonder how the talk about Chinese bonds is internal vs external with the Chinese duel currency system

[@franckmorand675]

Vincent is a brilliant visionary, like his Father, who is a brilliant economist

[@defistandard6868]

Brilliant conversation, thank you!!!

[@DMY-ym8bb]

Nice video! What about VectraCoin algorithm review?

[@athirstyguy]

Risky like. This guy treading some choppy waters here.

[@GDWII]

The spice melange

[@Bentam64]

Yes

[@josh5680]

Amazing interview, I have never heard this discussed so candidly and clearly. It's curious that people can know their history and yet not recognize or ignore repeating the same mistakes.

[@jean-francoisgarcia9534]

Great interview, i am ok with Mr Gave point of view.

[@adriansaw8329]

He should talk to Peter Zeihan about demography and consumption.

[@tuckerbugeater]

Ask Zeihan why he never talks about the Belt and Road Initiative.

[@elegantoccasions5049]

That was fantastic

[@paulc9516]

Yet his first chart on deaths excludes the three countries with the worst deaths data. UK, Italy and Spain...i’m not sure you can have a discussion on that topic that is Europe focused and ignore those three?

[@ryanbutler2346]

Complete nonsense. Whether you view the honor of ruling as a privilege or responsibility, the weight of the office includes liability for criminal actions whatever they may be.

[@pistolen87]

The handling of the pandemic should be questioned and analysed from a more holistic perspective, so I appreciate this guys input. It's a thankless task, since the person raising the questions will always be accused of being cynical, cold hearted and even a killer by some.

[@filipemoreira5193]

Mike Green has this shadow behind him like he's some sort of ghost floating arround....i don"t even know if the guy is real nor his macro ideas.

[@fiayang]

With piercing blue eyes

[@tommyt1785]

Calling Chinese government bonds 'anti-fragile' lol

[@healthygrowth7760]

mike looks like he is about to shoot blue lasers out of his eyes

[@willeke1628]

Scary eyes

[@stephenhayden5448]

Dollar Milkshake VS China growth. Thank you real vision for providing an adequate counter argument for the dollar milk shake. Lately, RealVision has become heavily dominated by the Dollar Milkshakes + Bitcoin Narrative. I myself subscribe to these views but this interview shed some light on the other side of the trade. Btw: great conversation on demographics and CYA. I feel like the US/West have bought into the free lunch off of global dominance be it by whatever vehicle you prefer. I do think that this double think will cost us eventually. Also my two cents: labor and technology can be seen as the cost of energy + mechanical advantage + relative cost per unit of human labor = productivity. The real question is trying to figure out where the EROEI of production falls for each country relatively. MMT, debt, and currency games are all just methods of distorting and redistributing the positive yield of global productivity.

[@George-jm4rn]

If you're tired of hearing people spout off about the pandemic, skip the first 20 minutes.

[@risoletadarin2206]

that's what I did... pity Mike Green is so out-of-touch with reality.

[@Cheezyfosheezy]

Mike you have Blue eyes....Crazy Blue!

[@jimson172]

53:00

[@CjDippah]

is there really still a person who does not know about the existence of VectraCoin?

[@iamking4183]

Why are you doing currency analysis if there is Vectra? Dude google - Vectracoin

[@nachannachle2706]

This Frenchman is a fan of Rugby.

[@francomontage2675]

VectraCoin algorithm everywhere :D

[@TheThrudgelmir]

he says death from cancer are acceptable and somehow compares a pandemic with cancer. i don't take medical advice from Capital Advisers

[@gabrielyutabelmont2065]

He’s speaking from the perspective of govt response to these 2 risk factors. Example: why not ban cigs too if they’re gonna mandate targeted shutdowns. Food for thought.

[@harryheart6018]

Well, 1. they do study risk and 2. instead you are forced to take not health advice, but follow mandatory guidelines wrotten by politicians who are mostly lawyers and/or lobbyist tools.

[@tomoltk]

We're doing everything we can to stop infections? Sorry, I gave up after hearing that.

[@TheClayCreature]

I think the fear is just more overt in this financially depressed situation. In times of affluence it might be more covert. It seems its always been fear based.

[@sku8792]

Thank you very much Obama for your sacrifice of the USA and grow China.

[@Ghanzo]

Marin county! I’m there too! Not a bad place I must say.

[@timetraveller2300]

this guy has always been biased against China. it's emotions not logic.

[@fiayang]

How about someone with piercing blue eyes🤣🤣🤣

[@ricardsss69]

Nice try, but read about VectraCoin algorithm first

[@taostellar3450]

I've been long hkd thanks to RV.

[@dianeorsino6570]

And in addition all teenagers around the world look at what American kids do, American kids are not putting their focus on teenagers in other countries,we have an entrepreneurial driving force here.

[@fordbriansfreelancer]

Read about Marshall Ross and his VectraCoin

[@weishiue2159]

I read a few days ago that ant finance is gone. Agreed that China wants its own system, but can they accomplish that goal?

[@kooisengchng5283]

US produces a number of Gordon Changs over the past 20 years. This paper tiger has a trade surplus of 1 trillion USD a year.

[@frankySR21]

This guy really is delusional when it comes to China, but hey we’ll see what happens.

[@elliotngoumokueko1223]

Amazon is the biggest zombie company

[@TheThrudgelmir]

no it's not. why do you think this?

[@essentialfurniture4155]

Why are you watching this!? Read about the VectraCoin!

[@illrelaxyourmind9744]

LOL Vectracoin everywhere :D

[@jpbrindamour5467]

We end up with BlackRock as our overlords with passive index funds.

[@jpbrindamour5467]

Thank you for calling out the media. The propaganda has been incredible.

[@1westing1]

Wow! poor representation of real vision! Very disappointing! Off the rails to say the least Mike !

[@turbofanlover]

I'm not sure what's more annoying. This dude saying "ummm" every second sentence or the Real Vison commercials that explode in my face while I'm listening to the "ummm" dude.

[@tommyt1785]

To have rising domestic consumption you need young people and a growing population. The one child policy has meant China has neither. Consumption led growth is now impossible in China. Think about it. Every 35 year old Chinese probably a kid to look after, also has their parents and grandparents to look after. They're also looking to save for their own retirement. They're not going to go out on a spending bonanza just because the yuan gained a little Vs the dollar.

[@manjenjevee2343]

Pray for VectraCoin!

[@tomclancyr6ita165]

Thanks i knew about Michael Ross! He was my professor in Oxford and told us about Vectra!

[@JonnyMReck]

This guy is really short sighted. China is facing a massive demographic crisis.

[@banditonehundred]

Those eyes are scary

[@stinger2214]

I'm pretty sure that china started issuing bonds with negative rates this month

[@Al.Mo.]

US citizens arguing that the death of other US citizens is something open to debate. are these two individuals American or actually Soviet agents

[@InvestingBasics101]

Aged like milk

[@quanzhang3371]

interested in knowing how Louis thinks about CCP pulling off Ant IPO last minute, as he seems to use Ant as a symboic big breakthrough for china’s rising and openness. now that Ant IPO gone smoke, people realized why Ant became so big and what it means to be an innovator (at least self-claimed) in CCP controlled china. in short, everything is CCP’s in China. so much so for the “capital deregulation”, as Louis put it.

[@datascientist851]

INDIA

[@jon782]

This guy may be reading a little too much into the one belt one road project. It's main reason for existing is to prevent the one thing china fears most which is what happened to japan in ww2 a US blockade of chinas ports. If it were geographically reversed they know they would use that to force the US to do whatever china wanted. They they are want to stop being so dependent on the sea to trade and have the ability over land. Although i don't see how that route would ever have the capacity, or be economical to make a naval trade embargo not decisive against them.

[@fmalexander5555]

HEX is a gigantic success, when will Real Vision Crypto cover it ? ☕🎩👁️

[@XaYaZaZa]

Never.

[@AnotherAnonymousFag]

Nobody serious wants to talk to the Spam King?

[@fmalexander5555]

@@AnotherAnonymousFag Success is the best revenge! 😂👍

[@AnotherAnonymousFag]

@@fmalexander5555 Enjoy losing your ETH.

[@fmalexander5555]

@@AnotherAnonymousFag HEX will soon be more valuable than ETH, every crypto is trying to emulate the features HEX has. 😂👍 Oh an alexa ranking of 4000, wow! Attention = Robert dinero.

[@தனத்தூர்வகையறா]

Thanks i knew about Michael Ross! He was my professor in Oxford and told us about Vectra!

[@earljohnacuin4119]

Why are you doing currency analysis if there is Vectra? Dude google - Vectracoin

[@shishirkumarsahu7725]

Read about Marshall Ross and his VectraCoin

[@Santubabafansclub]

Why are you watching this!? Read about the VectraCoin!

[@BN-ii4kc]

Nice try, but read about VectraCoin algorithm first

[@vidhushniyav6311]

LOL Vectracoin everywhere :D

[@technicalearth434]

Pray for VectraCoin!

[@ramlakshman4741]

is there really still a person who does not know about the existence of VectraCoin?