The Valve Deckard is COMING! And It's a BEAST!!

The valve Deckard is coming as confirmed well by valve itself. over the years information has slowly leaked about this incredible VR device and so in this video we will grab all the leaks and information about this new VR headset and see how it compares to the quest and valve index..
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[@IwinMahWay]

Deckard got my deck hard

[@VirtualChap2024]

I'm pinning this 🤣

[@IwinMahWay]

@@VirtualChap2024 😁

[@manuel.7461]

Lol

[@thefancygoldfish]

The Valve Deckard reminds me of Rick Deckard from “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?”

[@DKGaming4Life]

Has it been hard for 1 year of waiting?

[@HealyHQ]

I want them to take as much time as they need to make it a solid experience.

[@JettioSempt]

well its either i but a quest 3 or the deckard

[@mikaelbjrdal1544]

​@@JettioSemptI would honestly wait for the deckard because If The leaks are ture Then You have The entire Steam Page+A PC Built on Your Head With is Basically The Vision Pro But Better For The Lower Price

[@eaaeeeea]

That's what Apple seems to have done with Vision Pro and I also want Valve to do the same.

[@mikaelbjrdal1544]

@@eaaeeeea Just imagine The Reaction On Apples Plans WIth Vr They would Be Lose so much Money

[@notdeci3120]

​@mikaelbjrdal1544 Idk, the Deckard is probably gonna cost more than the quest 3 and might have the same issues with the valve index when trying to sync the resolution and fov. But we'll see

[@jonmichaelgalindo]

I'd pay 1500. Hoping more like 1200 though. But VR without Facebook would be sooooo amazing!!! 😊

[@fluffy6818]

@@soldier7332 valve isn't the type of company to price their products too high, like look at apple and their headset. They are the ones that do that

[@kiwihuman]

If the dekard is running steamOS (a modification of arch linux), then I will be buying it as long as I can afford it. I want to dich windows, but I need it for occulus software

[@capinkyky]

I'm gonna do my best to ride out the quest 2 until this bad boy comes out. I've been resisting buying the index second-hand for months. Vr is a crippling addiction haha

[@vincentalexander4603]

Aye love my horror games on the quest.

[@lostfrequency9740]

Defiantly feeling your pain

[@LinusDropTips]

I'm over here, still with my Quest 1 I bought in early 2019, waiting patiently to finally upgrade to either the Quest 3 or Deckard

[@capinkyky]

@@LinusDropTips At least you're patiently waiting. I am so impatient ahahah GABEN, PLEASE

[@headshotnation921]

@@LinusDropTipsjeeeez

[@tituss_]

Love to see a KZbinr that's as obsessed with the Valve Deckard as I am

[@VirtualChap2024]

I am indeed!

[@tituss_]

@@VirtualChap2024 Would love to see a review on it by you when it‘s out! I also hope that it‘ll either be announced at Meta Connect 23 in September or early 2024 when AVP will be released - seems possible to me!

[@q.uantum]

@@tituss_ I hope it gets announced when AVP is released.

[@crashtestdummy87]

i personally hope it's going to be a dedicated pc vr headset, i dont need a standalone unit, all i want is a lightweight headset with wide fov, inside out tracking, display port connection and quality display

[@BeachbaIICS]

They need to compete with with quest though.

[@crashtestdummy87]

@@BeachbaIICS no, they don't since quest aims to be standalone

[@BeachbaIICS]

@@crashtestdummy87 and that’s where 99 percent of the vr market is now.

[@crashtestdummy87]

@@BeachbaIICS good joke

[@BeachbaIICS]

@@crashtestdummy87 quest 2 sold 18 million units. Valve index sold less than 150k

[@FoxWithBrainDamage]

If they don’t announce it before the quest 3 comes out I’m sad to say I won’t be getting it.

[@thatMexicanOTsnameisVirgil]

Same I'm invested on the 3

[@somerandomperson8282]

Then I guess you aren't getting it.

[@waedi_]

the quest 3 is not a wise purchase

[@DiamondDepthYT]

​@@waedi_why? It has a lot of great games coming to it. Also, I can play the whole library I have on my Q2 on it. Also, it's more powerful. And slimmer. And has color pass-through that is looking really good. And has pancake lenses. And a better screen resolution. Better comfort. And better controllers than the Q2. I will definitely be buying a Q3, maybe not directly on launch, but probably before I ever get a Deckard if the Deckard is not announced this year.

[@Bread_37]

@@waedi_please explain

[@AnimatorBlake]

For me, my next headset MUST be lightweight and MUST have eye tracking for foveated rendering. Q3 is not enough to sell me.

[@noahkirkpatrick8912]

The full-color pass-through and depth sensor is enough for me

[@Jimbo609]

Fr one of the biggest things for me is the weight of the headset. I can’t wear my quest 2 for more than a half hour without it hurting my head even with a custom headstrap

[@ImNotFine44]

@@Jimbo609surely it cant be worse than the rift s that im still stuck with hahahaha

[@Jimbo609]

@@ImNotFine44 bro I used to have the rift s ik exactly what youre talking about 😂

[@silis4645]

​@Jimbo609 me who just wore my quest 2 defeat strap for 7 hours with no pains....

[@FAQUERETERMAX]

I think people severely underestimate how much processing power is needed to run any pc game wirelessly. As decoding is necessary, you need a very fast processor to move so much data through the air. My quest 2 sits at 80% gpu/cpu usage when running games from PC, and burns battery way faster than playing standalone games. This is why most pcvr headsets rely on cables, and deckard having such a fast chipset is really good news for both standalone and pcvr wireless modes.

[@fraserwhyte9694]

Streaming has entered the chat

[@eintyp4389]

@@fraserwhyte9694 is it realy viable already? I want to catch arrows in VR even 150ms Delay will not be cutting it.

[@tensor9470]

​@@eintyp4389 Absolutely. From my experience using a $60 5ghz WiFi 6 router, I get around 10ms delay, no stuttering, very good bitrate and not much battery loss. Wired PCVR is definitely becoming outdated.

[@fraserwhyte9694]

@@eintyp4389 i can stream my gpu to my phone over the same home network with less than 3ms lag added. VR isnt moving fast enough. As long as its wired no one cares.

[@jeffdeprey6279]

@@eintyp4389 Are you streaming from the other side of the planet? Steaming VR games is very doable, and depending on the game you would not notice at all.

[@shayindra2784]

If Valve actually makes a headset that is VR Standalone that can support eye tracking to improve performance, and offer you the opportunity to do anything you want like the SteamDeck does. Meta is in trouble!.. The only issue I see is the price for some people who want to start VR. Maybe lite and Pro versions of the headset to avoid this?

[@Chidorin]

yeah, like Vision Pro

[@ge2719]

i think valve learnt their lesson from the steam machines, and realise that they cant be making multiple versions. If anything it will maybe have versions like the steamdeck, with more of less internal storage built in. other than that it just wont work to have a "lite" version, because the only way to make it cheaper is to remove features, and you cant remove eye tracking and expect it to still work at all because it will need foveated rendering to be practical at all.

[@yvan2563]

@@ge2719 Deckard stand-alone vs Deckard headset that requires a PC?

[@avelkm]

Meta won't be in trouble, they have a library of hundreds of games, x86 architecture would need either heavy optimization for pcvr titles one by one or developing from scratch. Only titles that could be ported fast are ones that have both PCVR and Quest versions

[@xxxod]

@@avelkm hundreds of games? only like 5 of those are worth playing and most are first person shooter titles

[@XH1tokiriX]

Awww. As an owner of a high-end pc I was kinda hoping for an incredibly high-end HMD that’s reliant on the pc for rendering. Making it stand-alone as well just serves to drive up the price. But from a business standpoint I guess I can’t fault them, stand-alone means more potential customers. :/

[@ge2719]

no reason it couldnt also be wireless to a desktop, or wired.

[@RanmaruRei]

@@ge2719 the problem is that the standalone part is not needed for some people and it costs money, a lot of money. So, those people will have to pay for it and won't use it.

[@ge2719]

@@RanmaruRei its 😁 tepy needed though, if you want teacking, and eye tracking, and foveated rendering then you need a chipset that can do it. Desktop gpus suck at foveated rendering. Whereas an soc like snapdragon is designed to be able to render sections at different resolutions. Plus the argument that sometimes ne with abhigh end desktop cant afford a standalone vr headset... Rather a mute point. The index, a completley none standalone headset cost 3 times as much as the quest 2, a standalone headset. Desktop vr people still bought the index.

[@n9ne]

if they go the same route the vision pro goes with the way power is distributed then they could put laptop hardware in this headset and have much greater performance whilst being tethered to a power source. sadly batteries and size is what keeps standalone devices from becoming what it should have been all these years. instructions per clock has gone down a lot these past two decades it's simply impossible to have fully wireless devices right now that are capable of high resolution gaming.

[@BirdTho]

I have a reliable PC that I use tethered, but I also want the flexibility to go wireless.

[@dunc5623]

Really really looking forward to this. I'm tired of Meta's bad firmware updates that have twice made it useless and I had to wait for them to push an update which is basically a lottery system.

[@BismillahirRahmanirRaheemB]

Also the charging port melts

[@calcariachimera]

I wish a company would create a PCVR headset that also has hardware to work along side your pc helping in performance

[@michaelsamir3611]

Fr, have the convenience of standalone but have increased power when tethered

[@LM-cc7qz]

That isn't really possible with the way 3D rendering works. I mean, that's basically what we already have with a quest 2/3 where you can play games stand alone then tether to the PC and have your pc run the game. What you are describing isn't possible without using what we already have in terms of tethering because having the headset do 10% of calculations then sending data to PC to do 90% of calculations would be slower than normal tethering due to data transfer rates.

[@svenabend360]

So streaming VR game from your PC aka SteamVR via Virtual Desktop (like Quest)

[@jordanb6025]

​@LM-cc7qz we have things quite similar for gaming laptops with egpus. have the standard performance and get it a big buff when a beefier gpu gets connected. out of the possibility for this generation i think but the technology isn't inconceivable

[@mercury5003]

I think it's this one. Just because it's standalone doesn't mean there won't be a way to connect it to a PC and stream games from it.

[@kurousagi1339]

I’m not so sure the performance scales as easily as 5x with the addition of foveated rendering. Remember the steam deck chip only has to drive a 1280x800 display, whereas with a full on VR display that has many times higher resolution than that.. with the added requirement of high refresh rate for reduced motion sickness. It’s still difficult to render all of that. Foveated rendering certainly helps, but it’s not the only thing that will help solve this problem.

[@khlorghaal]

it definitely is 80% less pixels in terms of raw fragment shader invocations, but yea theres a lot more happening than just fragment count

[@reezlaw]

It's hard to believe that they'll use the same chip

[@Benadryl_Chicken]

Man I was just about to buy the Index but now I'm gonna have to wait

[@alonzoarcher6585]

An impressive FOV and a comfortable experience to go along with everything mentioned in the video would more than it for sell me.

[@mikaelbjrdal1544]

I'm literally about to Blow up in Hype I Just Need It!!!! my quest 2 Has too many issues And Bugs

[@awsome14619]

The index has an impressive FOV for its time. It was one of their selling points. They will do the same with the deckard

[@nope53926]

I really hope so. Q2 feels like you're looking through a periscope.

[@sacarya1]

I pray that this headset wont be standalone, I want something to replace my index and I hope its better that even what the index can do

[@whitegoose-k4g]

valve off all company will never left out their base customer, PCMR. deckard will have pcvr for sure.

[@PhyshStycc]

I had an insider source slip a few details to me about it. Pancake lenses, they're working with AMD to make a next generation version of the deck SOC with newer graphics, hybridized design for both PC and standalone, and more, but mostly it just confirmed a lot of what we're already speculating. My guy works as a prototyping partner of some kind and says he's already had an engineering/validation sample on his desk. Told me to expect a soft goal for announcement in 2024 but it's valve so they wouldn't hesitate delays if it's not up to their standards yet. Basically their goal seems to be to regain the crown for the best, next generation, no compromises system for VR/PCVR/XR.

[@awsome14619]

I sold my index because i thought it would be announced soon. I wanted to get ahead of the wave of mass selling of used units. 2024? I guess I'll buy a used quest 2 in the mean time.

[@mikevanderlinde1895]

Did they say anything about a potential price point? That seems to me like the biggest unknown as of right now. I’ve seen people predict the $400-$500 range, all the way up to over $1000+

[@someguy9175]

@@awsome14619 oof

[@awsome14619]

@@mikevanderlinde1895 The index was $1k because it was for enthusiast. This new headset might be able to do stand alone, so it's both a steam deck and VR headset. It might be 1k as it is filling that market as well. The SD was able to be sold for a loss as they make us the cost in game sales. I don't see people buying a ton of more games for the Deckard

[@mikevanderlinde1895]

@@awsome14619 good point, but I feel like with stand-alone being more mainstream, and the fact that you’d most likely only be able to buy games through steam on the deckard, what you said about the “sold at a loss which would be recouped with game sales” thing might apply to the deckard as well. I’m not sure though, a $1000 price tag really wouldn’t surprise me.

[@necroette]

idk how to feel if it really is a standalone device. it might be interesting in the future but as it stands rn PCVR is still king. rn standalone vr headsets are just a cheap way to get people into vr before they graduate to using PCVR. Inside out tracking is also still not as great compared to light house based tracking. i own a rift s, and after trying a mate's index i really cannot be content with inside out tracking anymore, it's got so many downsides.

[@stormvr1070]

This ^ If I wanted inside out tracking I would just buy a Quest 2 or 3. I use trackers though and I don't want to mix the two.

[@PhotoJohn80]

Sounds good, BUT I really hope there is a display port for true PCVR. Mainly for driving and flight sim games. I thought about the pimax crystal because of this feature but I would rather my next headset come from VALVE.

[@fckcoleslaw8533]

Pffftt you think valve would ever skip out on tethered functionality? That would be an insane oversight

[@PhotoJohn80]

@@fckcoleslaw8533 No, but I am not going to assume anything.

[@ge2719]

@@fckcoleslaw8533 its not necessarily down to them, the amd chipset just doesnt have that sort of functionality of haveing a pc thats able to communicate with another c that way over a wire, and send tracking data to the pc, while the pc send video/audio etc... Thats why the oculus method uses usb and not a display port, because even if the hardware could communicate between two computers, a display port cant take tracking data. Which is also why the index has a proprietary cable thats connected to display port, usb and power. So they would basically need to have the deckard be a desktop pcvr headset that can take a wire direct to a pc, and then also include all of the standalone headset wiring, and you can somehow flip it between them. Thats just not going to be practical. and so the best option is wireless. And fortunately with eye tracking that means the data being sent first only need to e the part your looking at, and the rest can be highly compressed. So the headset has the potential to make wireless pcvr actually be a clean experience.

[@fckcoleslaw8533]

@@ge2719 yeah that makes sense, thanks for clarifying

[@RanmaruRei]

​@@ge2719 Yet I doubt it. Because of the lag. Tbf, wireless is more comfortable, but it has its downsides, which I doubt can be resolved. I expect a sacrifice for convenience.

[@ateafan]

As an incredibly poor person, the Deckard to me means hope for a drop in price for the index. >_

[@kilsnacks]

Major click bait and a complete lie in your description. Definitely hitting that do not recommend this channel button. The deckard has never been announced valve simply states that they are indeed working on another headset BUT said it may never even come out as with many projects companies work on. Until it is actually announced we are not guaranteed anything. You make it sound as if the headset is coming within a few months which could or very well not be the case…

[@SynnekoNya]

If they somehow manage to literally be ahead of the game AGAIN, and actually make this a reality within the timefram of the Vision Pros release... i honestly might cry tears of joy... as dramatic as that may sound, it feels like my dream is getting closer and closer to reality, and Valve the beasts that they are, i swear i wouldn't know how to show my appreciation anymore without seeming like a total weirdo... hahaha but then again, its if they do it, which, when it comes to Valve... they give me hope... and not anything in this world had given me so much hope as them >.

[@Utrilus]

Rip my wallet.

[@GaijinGamerGirl]

"Ahead of the game" But they can't provide support for their SteamVR + utilisation of the Valve Index (Particularly in Windows 11 with Display Port monitors) as they are unable to problem solve and diagnose issues that aren't related to the hardware in their headset.

[@badasstoad9419]

Literally the only fault that Valve has as a big company, is laziness or being slow. But when they deliver, they DO deliver! Meanwhile dumbass Meta getting sued literal billion of Euros/Dollars by Europe for violating European laws of Data Protection and Privacy.

[@realElzie]

Bro is simping on Valve 😂

[@stevebobowski3507]

Inside out tracking is the future? Noooo! Say goodbye to the super fast and accurately tracked movements that base stations offer

[@thatMexicanOTsnameisVirgil]

I need passthrough, which is why i want the 3 but if this is announced and has full color passthrough with possible games, I'd wait but pass that, looks like I'm getting the Quest 3

[@SafetyRabbit]

The Quest’s head tracking is great, but the hand controller tracking is limited to being in sight of the headset. It’s not too bad, but the Index’s controller tracking is superb and it would be hard to go back. I’d be more than happy to have a device tethered to my gaming PC and lighthouses just so long as it’s wireless like the old Vive (with the wireless kit).

[@digitalstyx_est.2018]

I think what might be overlooked is the fact that as a PCVR company Valve is likely to give the headset hybrid capabilities. I don't see why it would be either or with tracking. Stand alone by default but base station capable also. Second, better than a virtual steam deck experience would be a hybrid unit where a PC does most of the CPU work and the headset processes the graphics making much higher fidelity VR available for even non VR capable devices that is still superior to stand alone gaming as well. Those are my wishkiat items at least. With all that has been accomplished via Virtual Desktop with the Quest as an android device, imagine what Valve can do with t a VR headset running a true custom OS. Meta will never catch up if Valve innovates outside of the box. Better yet, it may have a cheaper PC variant with the stand alone steam deck inspired processing unit being an optional purchas. Unnecessary for many if not most OCVR users but a game enabler for so many others. In any case it should be great. Let's hope they learned how to insure better quality and durability from the Index experience. As an index owner I am used to being content with what I have. The delayed announcement gives me a chance to be in a position to purchase when it is announced rather than having to I wish list it like I would today.

[@jesuschrist6878]

I asked my dad if I can get one of these for my birthday and he said "no you're being crucified" :(

[@tafed3165]

who needs to buy big TV when you have fucking custom size virtual screen

[@MichaelBoumanPegasus4x4]

Valve has been perfecting game streaming for (at least) the last decade. I wouldn't be surprised if Deckard is capable of streaming in full res off of a full fledged gaming PC. I think the APU will be always used for Sensor/signal processing, interface, ETC. Instead of your Gaming PC being the full brain of the HMD, Deckard will probably use it's own independent interface, even when streaming games. Its easy to see how the eye tracking features will help with performance on the APU; but imagine the boost a full fleged gaming PC will have with those features- or the ability to just turn off the rendering/performance features and just run the eye sensors for games like VRC. I suspect Valve probably wont say anything until the software and hardware are stitched seamlessly together like on the Deck.

[@DarduinAdventure]

hype over 900000000000000000000000

[@BrettJamesSuperRoach]

You lost me at saying foveated rendering is the holy grail. Its not. The performance gains are nowhere near 5x like you mentioned, more like 20 percent in best case.

[@fo4357]

Also, saying that it would give the steam deck 5x more performance when that would only apply if it was rendering one screen. It's got to render 2, plus the performance gain is more modest, as you pointed out

[@mencibenci]

is it only 20%? I’d think it’s way more, think about running a game on your PC at 800x600 vs 1440p (be it on one or two screens), you’ll definitely see a dramatic difference in framerates, surely closer to 5x than 20%, or am I missing something and this is a shitty comparison?

[@Ashley-1917]

​@@mencibenciYeah, just the process of detecting where you are looking and carrying out the task of foviated rendering requires a lot of CPU compute power that offsets many of the gains.

[@Chidorin]

yeah, without quality loss it just gives more stable fps

[@SargonDragon]

Both the video's claim of 5X performance and your claim of 20% best case are wildly inaccurate. As a starting baseline based on actually measured figures, I've measured a 39% fps increase on my Pimax 8KX with foveated rendering. And Pimax is doing this using DLL injection into Unity. It's a hack. If the software pipeline was actually designed with foveated rendering incorporated into it, much greater gains would be possible. And there are other significant software efficiency improvements that could be realized as well. Current VR rendering pipelines are very inefficient because they're really being rendered for flat and then an expensive postprocessing step is applied for VR. This both chews GPU and drives up the amount of supersampling required. A rendering pipeline that was designed from the ground up for VR incorporating foveated rendering could realistically make major gains well over 100%.

[@Ralaigon]

I really only use my VR-setups to play VRChat, so I hope it won't be standalone only, since unless it has more than 24GB of VRAM and 64GB or RAM it will be a downgrade and even those struggle in certain lobbies. And I hope it will keep being compatible with lighthouses as well, since the inside out tracking of the Quest 2 still looses tracking far too often when behind the player or when grabbing irl objects.

[@davehallie7567]

i kinda wish valve would stay in the pcvr space and make a super high end high rez pcvr headset

[@Mitchacho74]

What do you think this is? It'll still support wireless VR to a desktop, even if it functions like a PC on its own. Like a steam deck playing a game from your desktop, it doesn't need to be one or the other. Plus being attached to a wire can be a pretty big deal breaker for some, they would already need a pretty solid processor to handle that to begin with

[@owomushi_vr]

I'm getting this even if it's 2k

[@efrainflores3902]

Not on board with the $1000 + possible price tag. I can understand the effort put into this, sadly this will reach only a very specific group of people. I'll probably get it after the next version gets released (if I am lucky)

[@jakekisiel7399]

It will take years for Valve Deckard to come out 😢

[@yoanperez172]

I really hope that they released it with Half life alyx 2

[@VirtualChap2024]

That would be the logical decision, imagine if they ported all there own games, portal VR, Left 4 dead VR, counterstrike 😶

[@mencibenci]

man if CSGO was ported properly to VR… 🤤

[@lancem7811]

I actually appreciate the fact they aren't rushing out headsets every year like all the other VR companies and instead taking their time to build noticeably improved products. I didn't get an Index because of my wider than average PD but I will almost certainly opt for Valve's next release if they resolve this and have some quality lenses.

[@Badkitty24]

I have given up on Meta. My two Q2s are branded Oculus (though i know Meta owned at that point) but i'm never buying another Meta device. I was goin to hold out a few generations and hope that more competition came. I never owned or used an Index, but i know it's top tech. I will optimistically wait for the Deckard and hope for more AAA VR titles like Alyx come our way too. I'm not buying another headset with nothing new or great to play. I've already played everything that's worth playing. I can wait awhile.

[@BigManMcGee]

thats defo going on my wishlist

[@manslayerdbzgt]

Why would I want the device not to have wires I want the maximum performance I don't want no Facebook low resolution little game installs I want to be able to do both if I want to take it with me I can but if I want to hook it up to a PC and go max settings I'd rather have a cord than no cord or a battery that I have to charge after a while which is dumb I want to play it until I'm out of breath or until I need to go to sleep

[@gentileutente]

High quality PCVR games, good optics, comfortable lightweight headsets (like Pico4). Anything else is kind of wasted. If you really want it mobile, can't we have it like a console in a small backpack at least? I don't like going around with a toaster strapped to my face. Foveated rendering is great, but keep in mind the best looking VR games are from 6 years ago, and they've always been super smooth without it. How much could the graphics be pushed with current hardware?? But seriously: even 6 yo graphics were 100 times better then what we are getting on the mobile tech.

[@flipfilfip]

Great video! I normally find these types of hardware leak speculation videos a bit dry but you made this so informative and exciting. Very cool insight into what applications we could dream of being implemented

[@thelaxsoviet5922]

i might get this, now. valve is a perfectionist, so i think they're gonna make this the best they possibly can

[@abeidiot]

I think the biggest deal with it is that it will provide the same disruption to the vr space as steam deck did to the flatscreen gaming space. You used to be called an idiot for thinking something like the steam deck's predecessors(gpd win?) will ever become a mainstream device. There were a pletora of problems listed with such devices. Instead of arguing, valve just demonstrated all those complaints were about specific products and not the PC platform itself. PC has no drawbacks, because PC is not a real platform, a PC can be anything you want it. A PS5 is just a BSD based PC with restrictions added on top of it. There is no technical limitation from making it work as a full system with root access, only a philosophical one(making things idiot proof)

[@BananaHamoks]

im honestly just wondering if i get an index or wait for the dekkard since ive been looking to upgrade from my rift s

[@Dawooded]

I feel your pain.

[@funmans3570]

i have a Rift S and Im gonna keep it for now theres nothing good out right now worth buying The index is old and still expensive if there isnt a new PCVR headset coming from oculus or valve im not buying anything else

[@mikaelbjrdal1544]

wait for the Deckard It's Gonna Be good Because Valve Has been Working On it for A Long Time

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

There's no way the Deckard can perform as well as my aged tethered Oculus CV1 and 1080 ti 16gb ram PC

[@ImmersiveGamer83]

I know the vid is a bit old but If I can play pcvr on the go I am in ,

[@bearlogg7974]

If the index becomes 650$ & Deckard takes the 1000$ spot, Vr will become the next Tv

[@Blood_Dragon]

still waiting

[@ez45]

The Deck was released as VR prototype hardware? Bro WTF are you on BAHAH they will never sell as many headsets as they have Steam Decks

[@Wututv_Gaming]

The inside out tracking has me scared. hope it' still as good as the index's tracking with the bay stations.

[@AdamBrackney]

I'm sorry, but foveated rendering might get you two times the performance at best, much less 5 times, you should put down whatever you've smoking. Foveated rendering is awesome and is certainly the future of VR, but it's not some magic bullet. It's been already been done and the performance gains are pretty well established.

[@Dawooded]

According to sony the psvr2's foveated rendering is a 4x performance boost. So if you have some serious eye tracking hardware and software then a 5x boost is possible.

[@AdamBrackney]

@@Dawooded Unfortunately that's complete BS spin. That claim is from a completely cpu limited issue. Gpu frame time went from 14.3ms to 12.5ms,not exactly 4x😂

[@Dawooded]

@@AdamBrackney Ok, we'll see when the darn thing comes out. No use speculating on performance of hardware that doesn't exist.

[@9ALiTY]

It better have Wide FOV & all the Goodies.

[@Slimy_Slimy]

A dream becoming true.

[@Spade_FoxDerg]

there is one thing and one thing only I hope valve copies from ocu- oh right, "Meta" (oculus was such a better name) is the pro controllers, having the tracking cameras built into the controller itself fixed ALL the issues with inside out tracking and it's something everyone will need if they don't want to be looking at their hands 24/7 to maintain full tracking.

[@Dawooded]

That would be nice, but the controller patents have a tracking ring.

[@stevebobowski3507]

Standalone is the future. Say good bye to all the good visually appealing vr games.

[@reezlaw]

I just hope it will do for VR what the Deck did for gaming in general, which is advancing Linux support enormously in one big leap. Linux VR is sorely lacking at the moment, this could change that dramatically.

[@ricktheweeb5382]

i would not mind that if and only if it doesnt make playing vr worse

[@Real_coolsansboi]

Are they making it that you don't need a pc? Cuz my pc sucks.

[@childishtobino]

everybody thinks it's going to be a competitor with the 3, but imo it wont even be released till 2024 or later, just because we know its being worked on doesnt mean it'll be ready for sales by the time the 3 is out. i bet it'll be insane and will definitely top the 3 and would be worth the wait so im just gonna save up and hopefully by the time its on sale ill have enough for a full decked out setup with accessories and such

[@Chidorin]

more like Vision Pro competitor

[@ShadowOfMachines]

Valve helped put with the HP headset, it uses the same audio set up as the Index I think. I wouldn't be too surprised uf they got to learn some things with the tracking, if they got to help with the overall design and not just a couple specific parts.

[@alphawolfa4e773]

How do you get an online store on youtube?

[@Sky.Lukewalker]

Would be cool if they had something like VorpX built into it for flat steam games

[@ThrobbGoblin]

I am STARVING for something more immersive than my Quest 2 for PCVR gaming. Sure, it's generally considered "the best VR headset for the average consumer", but I hate Oculus' linking software, the middling resolution, and the mediocre controllers. While I'm glad to see that Valve is likely ditching the tracking-towers from their previous headset and replacing them with inside-out tracking, I'm also a little disappointed to see that they're likely going to make the headset "completely standalone", as there is a severe lack of dedicated PCVR headsets in the 2023 market- for those of us that want to take advantage of our PCs power without the added weight of standalone hardware on your face, not to mention whatever spotty "linking software" would be needed in order to connect to a PC. Fingers crossed.

[@ddw504]

Having more onboard hardware is great even if you intend to use it as a PCVR headset. That hardware can be used for all kinds of operartions that can enhance the experience. Things like full body trackers, other spacial compute applications, and other future breakthroughs on the software side all while the PC does most of the heavy lifting. Seems like a big win. I do wish they would have made one with onboard processing and one without though, but complicating your product stack and the costs of producing and developing two kinds of devices probably isn't worth it.

[@alidashti2633]

Hopefully it can run half life alyx standalone .

[@noflashbang]

If the deckard is stand alone with PCVR option (like the quest) it will be a day one buy for me.

[@avelkm]

What would you be playing standalone on x86 architecture? None Quest/Pico games would work. It would have PSVR2 size library (like 10 games) but with shitty standalone graphics.

[@gabepvpz]

​@@avelkmsteam VR games

[@splitreality5702]

@@avelkm standalone half life alyx gonna be fire

[@avelkm]

@@adrenalinejunkie3828 I say nothing about high-end PCVR headset. I don't think that standalone on mobile x86 architecture is feasible as no current PCVR titles can ran on steamdeck hardware at 8 times more pixels then SteamDeck has. So you have to port EVERYTHING and heavily optimize for a new chipset. It would take years to have decent standalone x86 library. It's doable in principal but even if Deckard launches next year it would have less games then PSVR2 on start so it is NOT a competitor to ARM headsets in standalone space. High end PCVR as I said is another beast but much-much-much smaller market then standalone, for hardcore VR gamers only/

[@Sycophantichallenger]

Yeah, standalone sucks... I'm really hoping that they do a cut price PC only VR headset. I already have a machine to run VR... Give me wireless transmission, sure, but I don't need hardware to play games in inferior quality to what I'm able to already run it at on my pc.

[@markus8940]

Fully agree, I am not at all hyped for a standalone solution, it should at least allow for wired or Wi-Fi connection with my PC, I want max graphics quality in VR, not this quest downgrade. I understand though that you can earn more money with standalone devices, VR players with high end PCs are a minority

[@kingvoorhees6479]

I just want a pc vr

[@Tezla_Insanity]

Mixed feelings on the Deckard

[@HectorHK]

fun fact Valve cannot count beyond 2 on game and they cannot count to 2 on their hardware

[@talananiyiyaya8912]

The Deckard is getting my deckard

[@Monkeymoo1111]

Standalone vr has ruined the vr industry If it never existed we wouldn’t have children running around and games would have better graphics

[@flynntytonidae5631]

absolutely

[@c.h.7580]

I hate the idea of standalone. I much rather have my pc power it -_-

[@khlorghaal]

my exp with dynamic resolution on regular displays is its responsible for giving me the worst migraine ive had in my life im highly skeptical of foveated rendering in VR because eye saccades are extremely fast, so much that a saccade affects your perception of time, 120hz would be minimum, its immensely faster than any sort of head movement, that mixed with variable depth could brutalize your eyes with any sort of framerate drop

[@Changa_Husky]

Nice, I still want to run with my 4090. VRChat is a beast.

[@WorriorXD]

Well made very accurate gg 👏

[@c64cosmin]

Watched some leaked patents explained by SadlyItsBradley, and by the looks of it, I think they are also trying to make the tracking be lighthouse independent, don't take my word for granted, but I am doing educated guesses based on the specs, they have some angle sensitive photo diodes, and if I am correct, those could track without any lighthouse and just using a simple light in your room.

[@nvmskullworks4794]

I don't mind them taking time, I'd love to see it arrive. Currently just started toying with a Quest2, but I would like to be able to have the option between stationary use (sims and particular games) and in a play area.

[@Caldoric]

Ok, but will it have eye and/or face tracking?

[@VirtualChap2024]

Eye tracking yes, face tracking nothyis known

[@StojanovicJovan]

I dont like vr personally it doesnt really strike me to buy something i would use once or twice and will just sit in a drawer after that.

[@Dawooded]

Why are you on a vr channel watching a vr video then? You don't see me going on like a makeup channel and saying that it just isn't for me and I wouldn't use it.

[@StojanovicJovan]

@@Dawooded i just wanted to see whats it about chill out nigga

[@Smartsharkshark]

Love your content man. Keep it up. You doing a great job!

[@VirtualChap2024]

Thank you 😁

[@okamichamploo]

I never bought a Steam Deck, even though I love steam and people kept asking if I wanted one, but working from home I didn't see a huge need to take steam games off my PC. BUT... let me put those same steam games directly into my VR headset, and yeah, that is something I would definitely buy.

[@Riddick94]

3:24 - which is a bullsh*t in PS VR2. I bought PS VR2 and refunded it after I finished RE: Village. The FOV rendering is based on your HEADSET look-at angle, NOT your eyes! When I was playing GT7 and my head was pointed forward and I only used my eyes to look in the bottom-right corner of the game (side-mirrors of the car) the quality of it was garbage. I had to turn my head to where side-mirrors are. So it's rendering based on your headset look-at angle, not eyes look-at.

[@VirtualChap2024]

What do you all think about the Deckard?

[@shawncarlson2508]

Cain,Deckard Cain

[@shawncarlson2508]

HaS me think "stay a while and listen"

[@Dawooded]

gimme

[@StockportJambo]

I've loved the idea of it ever since I heard about it, but it's not going to stop me buying a Quest 3. The Deckard is likely still years away from release.

[@212mulle]

sorry but why the appel vr headset?

[@MarkRendle]

Seems like they’d be using AMD Phoenix CPU for a release next year, like the Z1 Extreme or 7840U. Very glad to see it anyway, I’ll be very happy if I can get a stand-alone headset without giving Zuckerberg my money.

[@ShuyaTheDark]

4:20 No. Trust me, it's not as good as it sounds. Wearing a VR headset is exhausting! It weights down on your head and neck, it compresses your face, it strains your eyes, and prevents proper transpiration. Granted, all of these in a very small amount as technology advances, but for long gaming sessions, it's 100% more comfortable to be in the real world. It's also pointless. Why be in a virtual world to experience... a virtual world? You're going to be looking at the virtual screen, not at your surroundings. It makes no sense.

[@XH1tokiriX]

Also to agree with similar sentiments below, looks like I’m getting a quest 3 or a bigscreen hmd. Seeing as valve won’t won’t release even a whisper of a rumor of their products before the Q3 releases

[@ZarathustraDK]

They could knock it out of the park if they made the HMD "just" a dumb HMD with all the latest tech (wifi, eyetracking pancake-lenses, etc.), and then made the Deck 2 as a wearable compute-unit/puck that could quadruple-duty as a handheld, battery, pancake-in-vr-controller and vr-sim-controller. It would basically create 3 products for the price of one: The Deck 2, The HMD that can be used for pcvr, and the combined Deckard standalone. It would also allow them to move a lot of weight away from the head, and focus on performance in a normal square form-factor, without having to cram it into a small curved HMD.

[@bigbangerz5856]

thing is how in the heck is a standalone headset going to run something like Microsoft Flightsim at anywhere close to decent settings when today an AMD 7800X3d paired with an RTX 4090 and headset with DFR struggles? That new AMD APU is nowhere close to that level of performance

[@SgtDuckx]

They should have just made a valve index with better screens, eye/ face tracking, and the ability to go wireless and they would have sold like hotcakes.

[@avelkm]

It sounds like a terrible idea. Current pcvr titles need 300W GPU to run smoothly. All optimized Standalone games are ARM and wouldn't be ported. FOV rendering won't help. Maybe they could optimize HL Alyx(which barely runs on 120W 1060). Also pcvr titles take so much space they would need 1Tb storage. PCVR - yeah, 2d games - maybe, Standalone? meh...

[@Nightcore_Paradise]

This is just not correct. You don't need a 300W gpu to run pcvr titles. At lowest a 2060 can run a good amount pcvr titles at max or high graphic settings. You dont need a top end gpu for VR. Also, in terms of storage capacity. VR games are not that much larger than there standard desktop equivalent. The only thing that separates VR from desktop is that when rendering VR it renders through two separate cameras. Storage space is irrelevant.

[@avelkm]

@@Nightcore_Paradise standalone Q2/Pico games are up to 4-6Gb, with few exceptions. HL Alyx is 70Gb alone. My library of just few pcvr titles is almost 300Gb. Drive Rally 2 is 100Gb, try to tun it on 2060 and tell me the results:) I'll be happy to swap my 1060 overclocked for cheap 2060 but don't think it will solve my problems and magically improve 45fps on lowest settings to at least 72 on high/// Hardcore pcvr guys recommend 2080Super at least... still choosing my new GPU. If you are talking Pistol Whip, Ragnarock or Beat Saber - yeah, I see no problem running them on steam-deck-vr. Newer Resident Evil titles - gooooood luck!:) VR is essentially 4k gaming, right now steam deck is 720p gaming, that's a factor of 8 times the pixels. No current PCVR title will run on it natively without heavy optimizations, lowres texture paks etc. And that means you will have standalone only on mainstream titles that are still heavily in development and have already optimized ARM versions.

[@Nightcore_Paradise]

@@avelkm I ran Half Life Alyx on my 2060 super on max graphics with a stable frame rate of around 90 fps before buying a 3060 ti. A 2060 super was my main for VR for a while. So yes you can run a good amount of VR titles with a 2060 or 2060 super. A 2080 is not a minimum requirement. Also, most of my desktop games are larger in size then my VR games. Warzone is 200+ gb, Final Fantasy XV is 100+ gb, Destiny 2 is 160+ gb, etc. There's a reason why I have a 4 tb ssd just for games. Meanwhile I don't think I have a single VR title that is over 100 gb. Again, the only thing that makes a VR game more demanding is the fact it has to be rendered twice. The file size of a VR game shouldn't be noticeably different then a desktop game.

[@avelkm]

@@Nightcore_Paradise HL Alyx is heavily optimized. My Q2 has 64Gb storage and host around 10-15 games at all times. As I said Deckard would need a dedktop-size SSD and not a standalone-size. I was comparing sizes of standalone Arm games with PCVR titles. I've watched Sadly it's Bradly video on same topic and he never mentioned Standalone pcvr titles being playable, more like 2D games on virtual screen (that lowers hardware demand significantly). I don't think they will go standalone VR route from the start, maybe in time for limited amount of games (and that's my point - small library of not so demanding titles like BeatSaber )

[@Nightcore_Paradise]

@@avelkm Yeah I can see that happening. Chances are it likely won't be standalone but I can see it having wireless capabilities for wireless pcvr. If it does have standalone capabilities then like you said it's likely going to have a small library of approved VR games that are capable of being run on such a headset.

[@zinfer1]

Just hoping they make the controllers battery replaceable. Having the worst time with my index controllers. Both dead when unplugged and show full charge when plugged in. No response from system button. But they operate fine when plugged in. And I certainly hope the Headset's battery is easily replaceable as well. These two things are death to any VR headset within 2 years.

[@kilroy987]

If it doesn't have a direct GPU feed, that's a mark against it. A slower transmission channel for PCVR introduces unwelcome artificating.

[@Keeping-It-Real-55]

My son is wanting the deckard so bad. Its frustrating Valve doesnt at least do a pre-order option so we don't end up buying a quest 3 this week. We could wait a few months knowing the deckard is coming by christmas. But the no pre-order option leaves us totally hanging. Private company or not, give us release dates already. Thanks for the video, another teaser damnit. lol

[@SerKBer]

x86 in a headset? Hahahah Have you heard a steam deck running? Have you touch the back of a steam deck when it's running a demanding game?? No one would like to slap a x86 machine in their faces. Not gonna happen.

[@BlazingJacob]

DECKARD ? Steam Deck Augmented Reality Device ? Hmmm, so it'll be a mixed reality headset too then :P

[@virtualalias]

I'd settle for battery + processing happening outside a lighter, slimmer headset. Could be an armband-mounted processing unit or at the waist with the latter benefiting from some waist tracking.

[@DanielBerthellemy]

Looking forward to jump in the VR for the first time, waiting for deckard to release xD Can't wait to explore rp_downtown with it.