The Velma Finale was a disaster!

[@genebaker511]

I was disappointed that they didn't go with Velma's mom being the culprit who wanted to replace her daughter's brain with a different girl's because of how vile Velma is. It would make way more sense given the details that were presented throughout the season instead of what they've gone with.

[@ulaznar]

Given the entitlement paradigm the writers live in, instead of taking that as an opportunity for reflection of her own actions, Velma would have just lashed out against her mom, who has internalized misogyny or some crap of those

[@kingofmonsters14]

but we need a rich white person to be the villain, cause those are the only bad people in this show, for some reason

[@lilchristuten7568]

@@kingofmonsters14 Oh come on we know the reason.

[@isaiahwolftail867]

Why what did they go with I only hear about it through KZbin survivors witnesses

[@TheSpawnfan]

Impossible. That would make us root for the mother, instead of Velma and the writers can't have that, also only WHITE people are evil, despite how much of an evil, despicable sack of abusive shit Velma is, how much of a pathetic drug pusher Daphne is and how much of a beta simp Token Shaggy is, heck, the villain of the fourth episode of Wandering Witch anime is less vile, and she destroyed an entire kingdom, heck, you actually pity her despite how scary she is when her story is revealed, these characters, save for Fred are all vile.

[@BassiKun99]

Velma kicking out her dad, step-mom and half-sister (who is a BABY) out of the house at the end is probably among the most disgusting things she has done in this poor excuse of a show. It's the house *her father* pays for and where *they* have been living in all their life, but she kicks *them* out. Whenever I thought she couldn't get any worse, the writers just went ahead and pretty much kicked me in the nuts. Also, can we just mention how horrible Velma is to her step-mom, even though she usually tries to be nice to her? It's honestly pretty disgusting seeing Velma throw her step-mom's things into a fire and then smash her baby's crib. You know, maybe Fred's mother killing the main cast would have been a much better ending that the garbage of a finale this is.

[@nont18411]

Original Velma has some moments of pettiness and jealousy but she learned from it and became a reliable friend who cares for everyone of her friends in the team. Plus she is book smart that she complement the others’ street smart in solving the cases. This Velma, somehow only amplifies the worst qualities of OG Velma without trying to redeem her what so ever, yeah Velma might treats everyone like crap but the way she treats Sophie and her baby half-sister is completely irredeemable.

[@grimgaunt.]

they prolly dont know what losing everything you worked for feels like…

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

The funny thing is, asshole characters can be done RIGHT. Herold and Helga from "Hey Arnold" come immediately to mind. Herold is a bully (though his personality and relationship to the other kids flip-flops constantly) because he's insecure about the way he looks. This can be relatable to some people. Helga is mean-spirited because..well, her home life fuckin' sucks. Velma is mean, she's a bigot, she's racist, she's nasty...."just because" . Even funnier than that, the show keeps going on and on and on about how "men bad"...and yet, the women in the show were HORRIBLE. The serial killer is a WOMAN for god sake! Which kinda throws the "only men can murder" message they seemed to be trying to make a few episodes back kinda moot, doesn't it?

[@lookingforlove839]

@@blobbertmcblob4888 its always Sunny has been running for more than 15 years and it's a show about narcissistic assholes

[@redram6080]

Keep in mind the step mom said that she wanted her daughter to be just like Velma personality wise. I hope she changed her mind after the bs she put her through

[@nont18411]

Velma twerking to Fred’s mom’s corpse in front of Fred is a straight-up psychopathic behavior. Just look at what Fred had to endured - Getting kneecapped by the cops inside his own house and got framed for the murders he didn’t commit thanks to Velma. - Getting humiliated and body shamed in public thanks to Velma to the point that he had a psychotic breakdown and accidentally incriminating himself. - Being in jail. - Still getting humiliated by Velma and co for being “too privileged”. - Getting physically assaulted and kinda sexually harassed by Daphne. - Being left to die with the brains of the murdered girls, had to eat rats. - Getting imprisoned (again) but this time by his mother while also knowing that his mother sees him as worthless and has been planning to murder him the whole time. - Witnessing Norville killing his mother while Velma twerking at her corpse. - Falling out with his father. - Starting solving mysteries because he can’t deal with the fact that his mom is a monster so he has to cope that there is a monster possessing her. He is the one who started the mystery gang but Velma, as usual, took credit from it. How the f*ck does this scream “privilege” for them? Fred suffers the most and always being the butt of the jokes. The fact that he became a bigger man from it in the end is quite admirable.

[@lookingforlove839]

The worst part is, he always did help the others. Even in the finale, the whole reason Velma managed to see her mom was due to Fred. And what does he get? An ugly trogolodite twerking in front of his dead mother

[@nont18411]

@@lookingforlove839 Fred and Gigi deserve a better show. Norville can rot in hell like his mommy Velma. I have zero sympathy for him, especially how he treats Gigi, Fred and his own family.

[@lookingforlove839]

@@nont18411 what's even funnier is that, Fred didn't do anything cruel or vile like the others. Like you said, he was always the victim. This is the most anti woke show ever made. Really think about it? In a show that has lesbians, "strong independent women" , a person of colour as the lead and the most of the main cast are minorities, the most sympathetic person is the rich white dude. And considering the creator of the show is a white man, i don't know how to interpret that. Or atleast i don't want to interpret that without sparking unnecessary controversy

[@BassiKun99]

@@nont18411 Add Velma's step-mom Sophie too. The way Velma treats her is disgusting.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@BassiKun99 She isn’t even all that bad and yet Velma treats her like garbage and I’d accept it if that’s the point but it’s not

[@TheAdorkableRJ]

Wow. Despite the writers treating her as the smartest person in town, Velma apparently still needed to falsify a report card to make her grades look better.

[@hibikuokudan]

I mean, you CAN be smart and still have bad grades. Some people are bad at taking tests, or they might just not care to make an effort on assignments Because they're "too easy". Of course, that doesn't seem to be the case with Velma, just saying that smart people can still get bad grades.

[@nont18411]

Not to mention that Norville solved the case 90% of the time but Velma took credits from it. Also, she is so smart that she falsely accused someone else of murder twice.

[@rushalias8511]

@Joseph Wong I have to ask why did they even listen to her after the first time. Like how is it they reached that far that after she us wrong once and accidentally humiliates such a rich and well known family, that they trust her decisions again. Like once is plausible but she makes a second false accusation and she suffers no consequence at all.

[@saraha.1336]

@@nont18411 Norville, Fred and a little of Daphne were the only ones that contributed to the case. Velma done NOTHING

[@lookingforlove839]

@@saraha.1336 Usually when a character is shown to be full of herself, she would usually be competent. But Velma is the most incompetent person among the gang and also the most unlikeable one

[@josesosa3337]

Fred's mom talks about privilege but she marries a rich dude and becomes the ceo of a company. What a hypocrite.

[@Jetblast01]

Most women do that, the richest women of 2021-2022 either inherited, married, or divorced for their wealth.

[@beabea5985]

Smart. All the money of a male without having to touch, smell or see him too much, I'd call that an absolute win 😁

[@hue_jazz59]

Tone deaf is the running theme of the show it seems

[@donteo508]

@@beabea5985 cringe

[@Doctor_Grubious]

Women ☕️

[@staufackar2135]

She literally hates everything and everyone, destroys the lives of everyone around her and gets mad when people criticize her for it.

[@briancurtis6022]

But we should also keep in mind: She Is Not Starfire! Oh wait... my bad, that was a *different* title about a spoiled and self-centered horrible asshole author-insert girl who gets everything she wants while treating everyone around her like crap.

[@curleed85]

Leftism in a nutshell.

[@WendythePuppet2023]

@@curleed85 based

[@moonlighthunter5421]

She’s an acid-tongued narcissist

[@axain7784]

​@@curleed85 Wait, we're doin this _now?_ I mean, I don't object to it but... Damn.

[@lookingforlove839]

It's funny to me that Fred is the best character in the show. Because he is also the least self aware. Every other teen just makes jokes like "in teen movies, they do this" or "in this situation, a teen does that." Plus, he doesn't do anything evil or vile like the others, atleast intentionally

[@crazygur1y]

For real, they tried so hard to make Fred the worst character for being a straight, white man and he ended up being the most tolerable lmao

[@lookingforlove839]

@@crazygur1y ya. The others, when they make all those self aware and meta jokes, sounds like adults pretending to be teenagers. Fred, eventhough he is portrayed as a man baby, is the closest to an actual teenager. Plus, him forming the mystery machine as a coping mechanism is the most genuine emotion in this show

[@lookingforlove839]

@@ambrielcooley4554 Well, the show is called Velma and they made her into the worst character of the show. But seriously, this is the most anti woke show I have ever seen

[@DreamTiger5]

I love it when idiot writers unintentionally make who’s supposed to be the most hatable character in a show into the most likable. Like Santa in Santa Inc.

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

Ironic that they try to make him the butt of all the jokes but he's the only one you can stomach.

[@josesosa3337]

Notice how they talk about Fred's privilege but.... Fred gets accused of murder. His mom wants to kill him. He gets shot by police while being unarmed. He gets made fun of because he is a pampered rich kids whose body hasn't matured. Its clearly his families fault for infantalizing him. He goes to jail during a murder investigation. Why does the show think everything goes Fred's way?? Well to the writers, its not ablut fred. Its ablut the IDEA of fred. A rich white boy. Pretty sure in other material, Shaggy is the rich one.

[@BassiKun99]

I think being rich was Daphne's thing in many of the incarnations. And even then, it was barely brought up anyways, as it was more so part of her background. "Yes, Daphne comes from a rich family, but that's about it".

[@lookingforlove839]

His parents are ashamed of him for being less masculine. He also found out that his mother wanted to swap his brains and in the end, lost the only parent that pretended to care about him. And now he is driving the mystery machine as a coping mechanism. Since this show is so toxic, i wouldn't be surprised that Fred would get insulted and laughed at in the future for believing in ghosts. Fred is the only character that people like because he is the only character the show hates

[@xdevo14]

@@BassiKun99 In some of the less popular shows, Shaggy is established to have family that had estates worth quite a bit of money, typically with some mystery or treasure involved. In the Scooby Doo show, his uncle was a rich jewel salesman. The whole plot of Get a Clue Scooby Doo has his rich (other?) uncle missing, so Shaggy gets his estate. Another one of his uncles (Great?) was a civil war general with a huge mansion estate. In all fairness, he also has a hillbilly cousin, who apparently can't afford shoes, so the whole "lore" of who has money is kinda poorly established.

[@nont18411]

+ Getting sexually harassed by Daphne. + Witness Velma twerking to his mom’s corpse.

[@banjo9158]

Shaggy does have a Rich Uncle, so yeah, Shaggy could easily be rich, even richier than Fred.

[@ThatCatWithoutAHat]

Would be real funny if Fred traveled through the state and ended up meeting the real Shaggy, Velma and Daphine. Those guys back in Crystal Cove just happen to have the same names

[@AdaTheWatcher]

That would honestly be a hilarious joke, too bad this show is dumb.

[@hibikiholmes2867]

Someone should make a comic or short animation about that 'cause it's genius lol

[@Somewhat-Sinister]

New/Real mystery gang: "Hey Fred, why don't you talk about your home town much?" *PTSD* Fred: "It's not that interesting. Pretty boring place, to be honest"

[@Dave102693]

I actually like the idea.

[@MangaSt]

Headcanon

[@ShortFuze1170]

Honestly I actually feel bad for Fred in this show, he’s just being absolutely abused

[@hadbetterdays8118]

Yeah it was disgusting on the 2nd episode how they humiliated him not to mention he had a relatable thing of not being good enough something most of us suffer

[@seancarroll136]

I wanted to make a Mystery Machine spin-off, I always think the van was barely overlooked and mistreated by hubris and incompetence until I seen what they did with the LEADER OF MYSTERY INC!

[@seancarroll136]

Honestly, Fred and The Mystery Machine deserve their own solo story.

[@BrightWulph]

I would much prefer this as the origin of the ScoobyDoo Mystery Gang, Fred being the one to start out as a solo ghost hunter, realising he was in over his head after a certain mystery gets out of hand. He then meets the rest of the gang as he searches for clues to solve the mystery, eventually they all come together and form the gang we all know and love.

[@Dorkeydaze]

@@BrightWulph Interesting maybe shaggy is the first to join in the original show shaggy does track and Fred is a jock chad. eventually they bring in his Stacy girlfriend daphne and their nerdy classmate Velma

[@doodoopop8385]

A Fred Spin-off would complete the Main character spin-off list, for sure.

[@flameking1325]

@@BrightWulph you know it's funny, in the very first episode Velma claims to be the one to start the Mystery Gang. Yet Fred seems to be the one to get into the business first. So I'm betting Velma is going to force herself into Fred's business and to claim it as her idea next season.

[@ivorynk752]

It's ironic that they narrative suggests that too many stories are given to handsome white dudes, and then gives the only plot arch worthy of a main character to the only handsome white dude in the group.

[@thomashanson9173]

Anyone get the feeling Fred's mom being the culprit was a last minute decision and they didn't bother to revise the other episodes to hint at that reveal?

[@redram6080]

I personally believe it was originally Fred's dad but they realized it wasn't surprising enough so they made it Fred's mom instead

[@dreamiinotdream730]

No one on that team has the capability of writing a legitimate mystery because they got caught up in being meta and woke so they said ‘screw it let’s make it the insignificant rich white woman’

[@curleed85]

Wokester Hollywood doesn’t take kindly to logic.

[@jaydeleon8094]

No, it was likely an attempt to do the old formula, "you see, the evidence is obviously pointing to this Guy/Girl!" and then at the end, with some tiny hints that aren't ever explicitly mentioned by the cast, it's revealed that it was a setup, or someone close to that person who actually did it. They failed at that formula.

[@michaeliv284]

I think it should have been Diya. I mean, we see her motivation and it... kinda makes sense? But I think the reason it wasn't so was that it would've caused some actual character development and Velma wouldn't have gotten what she thought she deserved

[@danibilbocascante]

How come whenever modern writers try to make a punching bag character everyone hates, they fail so bad that they become the only likable one of the cast? This is Kyle from She-ra all over again. Fred is just the best character in this show. He's not fantastic by any measure, but at least he goes through an actual arc and never does anything awful like, I don't know, sell drugs, twerk over a dead body, or try to nice guy his way into a girl's pants. He's just an immature sheltered boy who doesn't know any better. It just feels like because we're supposed to hate him for his race and gender, so the writers didn't even try to actually make him unlikable. Meanwhile, the rest of the cast is awful, manipulative and unsympathetic, but they are not white men and as such, are supposed to be "funny" when they insult, belittle and use each other. What a mess.

[@lelegus7732]

I agree with you, also Kyle really deserved better. The fact that he ended up romantically paired with people who were mean to him made me sick.

[@Dave102693]

@@lelegus7732 ikr?

[@goawayplease6456]

That fogfest episode RUINED norville. He was the only decent charactor and they turned him into just as much of a piece of shit as velma

[@barret-xiii]

Exactly. We like Fred because we pity him; We feel sympathy for his plight. He's effectively a mentally handicapped kid who has the worst circle of friends and family ever, who all take advantage of his fragile mind.

[@KennyNGA]

Excuse me this is who from what

[@fionnaitsradag5152]

Velma/Mindy locking her baby sister out of the house just showed how horrible Velma/Mindy was, even to the very end.

[@prouddegenerates9056]

She is a super villain, full circle. She’s one bad day form becoming crazy as the nazi lady who made lamps out of her victims.

[@nont18411]

Fred is the only character I sympathize with in this show because unlike the others, he is the only one who suffered from the consequences of his own actions and everyone else’s actions towards him. He got abused by the world and yet he has a complete arc with some kind of character development. I can’t say the same for Norville because he never has any agency. He fits into both a “toxic nice guy” trope and a “simp” who let Velma walked over him all the time just so that he can sleep with her while treating his girlfriend poorly because he just can’t grow a spine (like when Gigi almost died because she’s allergic to bees but there’s no adrenaline shot because Norville used it all on Velma, when Norville invited Velma and Daphne to Gigi’s cabin without her permission or when Norville told Gigi that his mom and Daphne are hotter than her) and when he was being close to stand up for himself, he finally went back to simping for Velma again and this time, he ended up killing Fred’s mother which sent him spiraling to drug addiction for the rest of his life. Norville never respect himself so there is no reason for me to respect him. Even Fred is not this spineless.

[@lookingforlove839]

Thank you. It always concerned me when people defend Norville.

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

Yeah without a doubt Freds the only sympathetic main character and whats funny is he's meant to be the least liked. Though i feel the most sympatetic characters are Velma's step-mom and her baby step-sister as they are nothing but nice or don't do anything to halm Velma, the step mom has to go through a whole cherard for a woman she hasn't met and doesn't know yet in the end she and the step-sister gets thrown them out their own home.

[@Dave102693]

@@lookingforlove839 I never liked the simp. I hate simp characters with a passion.

[@lookingforlove839]

@@Dave102693 it's not even the fact that Norville is a simp. Fred also simps for Velma, but the difference is, he has a character outside of being a simp. Norville had a chance of being more than a simp, but he blew it. His whole character is " Velma this, Velma that." He would still continue this behaviour even when he was in a relationship with Gigi

[@Dave102693]

@@lookingforlove839 that’s because Fred loves himself…whereas Norville is a manipulative simp chasing after a girl that doesn’t love him in that way (until the last second because….), in the most niceguytm/incel ways possible. He had a chance at a normal life with Gigi, but blew it because he’s a self sabotaging, simp for Velma. I hate him almost as much as Velma.

[@LochVandral]

So...yeah, anybody else remember that thing in the original show, where at the end of the episode after unmasking the bad guy, they'd pretty much walk through all the seemingly unexplainable things the "ghost/monster" of the episode did and explain how they worked, based on clues they found throughout the show, as well as their motives for doing it all, and for the most part it actually kind of added up and made you, as a kid, go "Oh hey, yeah! That makes sense!" Anybody notice the absolute and complete OPPOSITE of that here? Like...I'm reminded of the writers of She-Hulk making a show about a superhero attorney while openly admitting they suck at writing courtroom scenes. Why would you choose to make a show about a giant mystery when you suck at writing mysteries that follow logic and plausibility?

[@srichael2713]

What made you think they were aiming to make a mystery show? The way VelMindy keeps mouthing about Forced Diversity and Bad Stereotyping, it's more of venting platform for Mindy Kaling. The Proud Family reboot is also going down the same road.

[@Imman1s]

There was no mystery whatsoever and the authors either used jackhammers to introduce clues, or changed them halfway to fit their braindead plot. And don't forget that nobody but Fred's mom actually got killed, at worst this was a extreme case of mutilation... and you can see in the first episodes how they treat mutilation as a joke over and over (specifically, the guy whose leg got sliced by Fred.. without anyone batting and eye, mind you). The brains are still functional and maintain the personalities, memories and even social standing of the original bodies and somehow can still perceive the world around them and communicate with others, so they could simply be the witnesses of their own abduction and provide useful testimony about what happened, but nobody ever bothered. Asking the authors to think about the crap they wrote is obviously too much, so destroying whatever idea of a mystery they might have for the sake of a stupid joke about high school social dynamics makes total sense in this travesty of a show. Not to mention that they gave out the culprit once they started focus on Fred's mom at the very end... the only actual mystery was the why, since her motivations, means and opportunities to commit the crimes range from dubious to complete BS.

[@CheeseTheWhistle]

Or, if you do suck at writing such scenes, bring in someone who is an expert at writing those such scenes. Like I mean, really, how do you expect us to react when you're not even bringing in an expert to check over your show?

[@yepsilon2898]

It's crazy how much Velma, and the show itself, hate on Sophie. Velma thinks of her like she thinks of all the popular girls; A shallow and dumb basic B. The worst I can remember Sophie being was calling Velma a weirdo/loser and getting with Velma's dad. However in her defense- 1. Everyone calls Velma a weirdo loser so that's nothing new. 2. Velma's Dad did actually believe that Diya straight up left them so Sophie getting with him quickly after is more his fault than hers. But even from ep.1 Sophie has been one of the few people to actually help Velma and even help her during a panic attack. Yet Velma is still ungrateful and vindictive. And to top it off, after just having this baby(Who is now Velma's sister by the way!) Velma still just wants to kick her out on the street like Sophie personally wronged her.

[@DuneStone6816]

I think it's supposed to be a situation where Velma resents her dad's girlfriend for replacing her mom, which could be sympathetic in a different show. The problem is that Sophie, bizarrely, is one of the most pleasant characters on the show and has objectively done nothing wrong, while Velma is a jerk to almost everyone. So the hate and punishment directed at Sophie feels very undeserved.

[@srichael2713]

@@DuneStone6816 One thing I learned reading terribad Self-Insert fanfics is that no one wants their avatar/SI to wrong morally. That is to say no one how horrible the SI is doing, it is supposed to right. Speaks a lot about Mindy Kaling, aye?

[@lookingforlove839]

@@srichael2713 Mike Tyson mysteries is more of a Scooby doo show than Velma

[@srichael2713]

@@lookingforlove839 Oh great... another item on my watch backlog 😆. I'm currently watching Scooby Doo Get a Clue.

[@hadbetterdays8118]

Like I actually liked sophie sure she was the other women but she at least was nice to Velma wasn't an evil stepmother and worst part was nobody respected her when she was handling baby Amanda like Velma had the nerve to prank her while she was caring for a baby a huge mental task

[@Grandtheftzombie1]

When Norvelle decided to stop being friends with Velma, I was so happy. She has been nothing but a toxic friend to him and him realizing that if him and Velma swapped situations where he was looking for his missing mom instead, Velma would have abandoned him at his first hallucination. I was the best scene and character development from him only to have the whole thing ruined by one "Love you" from Velma.

[@bbgunz1705]

So, Fred's mom basically suffers the same problems as Hans from Frozen: a twist villain with absolutely no signs that they could be a villain, and past evidence that contradicts them being a villain.

[@lookingforlove839]

Honestly, the only thing im sad about is that, pitch meeting was made before the finale. I wanted to see Ryan list out all the reasons why the twist doesn't work

[@AnimaVox_]

I'm always glad to see other people pointing out how bad the Frozen shock-twist is. Because that's what it is: a shock-twist. It actually makes an already mediocre movie worse on re-watch. Those two movies in general have some egregiously bad writing. The greatest irony is that I still think Hans is the best character in that film; their sad attempt to vilify him didn't convince me. Jennifer Lee, who wrote and directed II is now head of the animation department or something at Di$ney. Allow a moment for that to sink in, and despair. She wanted to do another shock-twist in the sequel and kill Elsa off. Not joking. There's concept art available somewhere and I think she said so herself. It's obvious she resents how popular the character is, especially since Anna is basically her and Bell's mouthpiece/self-insert. But personally, I think she just wants to make little kids cry. Anyway, mini-rant over. I don't think it's any coincidence that storytelling quality has nosedived since Frozen first released. EDIT: Fixed spelling error.

[@Dave102693]

@@AnimaVox_ yeah. Idk why people keep thinking it was a great twist…or that any of the other twist villains were better. They all suck, with Hans making the least sense. I can understand some of the twist villains, but like only 2 or 3 of them, but only because they were properly hinted at, rather than tossed at us, the audience, at the last 20 minutes of the movie. Thank goodness the MCU doesn’t suffer from that…..yet.

[@BurningAzure]

And Callahan from Big Hero 6.

[@seancarroll136]

I imagine Victoria would’ve been like (Mask pulled) m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIjddJZ-gZecf9k

[@KelShu]

So Velma and her mother are totally fine with kicking out Sophie and the baby (Velma's half sister), even though they didn't do anything wrong?

[@BassiKun99]

I don't get why Velma's mom is mad that her husband remarried. She was missing for two years, not a few days or a couple of hours. Any person would move on and start dating again. And yes, they do say it was six weeks after she went missing, but as far as he was concerned, she just left one day because she was miserable.

[@jendoe9436]

If he did start dating Sophie six weeks after his wife’s disappearance, then it’s either: 1) they met up when he was grieving and Sophie helped him find purpose again. After all, Velma was obviously a psychotic brat who probably added to his stress. Or 2) They knew of each other (since she was a waitress maybe he saw her all the time) and scenario 1 played out. Either way I don’t see what he did as wrong. The family already had problems with Velma, and who’s to say the mom wasn’t terrible to her husband as well. With his wife gone and daughter refusing to get help for herself, then it’s no wonder he was attracted to Sophie during this time. Plus, they didn’t have a child together until just recently! Meaning they’ve dated for a long while and didn’t start having sex until later, or at least took steps in not conceiving during that time.

[@dancorneanu9144]

@@jendoe9436 From the montage they showed, the Velma mom familly was missrable. They had this faces were both parents looked like they were in pain even sitting together. With Sophie only Velma looked missrable.

[@nont18411]

@@dancorneanu9144 Also, the house with the mom in it was so dirty while the house with Sophie in it was so well-organized and clean. That tells a lot how much Velma is like her mom.

[@cynicalperson161]

@@BassiKun99 I fully agree. I just wished Velma's Dad was honest to her Mum from the get go but then the show would be one episode less

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

I feel really bad for Norville. He killed someone, and is in a relationship with Velma. I know we've been lead to believe that's what he wanted but given the flashback of how they met it makes me feel like Norville developed Stockholm from Velma's mistreatment and that's why he obsesses so hard over her even when finding someone WAY better.

[@twinzzlers]

I'd take burning my entire family Salem witch trial style than subject me or anyone on this planet to be in a relationship with Velma.

[@kermitthegdfrog8029]

If it isn't the og Velma and I had to date the Velma from the shitty show then, I'm just jumping off a plane without a parachute so I could make sure I die.

[@zaquarviousgaffney367]

@@kermitthegdfrog8029 isn't velma 15 tho🤨

[@kermitthegdfrog8029]

@@zaquarviousgaffney367 I'm not an adult yet but this show was really bad. (Not to mention that this comment is almost a year old)

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

It’s too bad that they gloss over his trauma in the second season I honestly though that season 2 could have improved this show, that is if they held on to any positive change the characters went through on their own

[@anonymousperson4209]

Fred sitting there alone in his van with the cute painted side...in the rain...is literally the saddest thing I've seen so far..

[@falsehero2001]

The best thing about the Velma finale is that this show is over and can be relegated to the trash bin of history. Fingers crossed rumors of season 2 being cancelled are true.

[@TheRotten1166]

Confirmed cancelled

[@skylex157]

I would have liked a season 2, it is such a masterclass in what not to do, "the room" is getting envious

[@lookingforlove839]

@@skylex157 no, don't compare this shit to the room. Tommy wiseau wanted to make a good movie. There was genuine effort and passion in the project. Velma is the equivalent of Freddy got fingered, an intentionally bad show made to see how much they can get away with

[@skylex157]

@@lookingforlove839 the thing is, i am not convinced velma was made with bad intentions, that is the real problem, it is so bad yet we cannot be certain it is bad because of lack of effort, love, skill or all of the above

[@lookingforlove839]

@@skylex157 i would agree with you. But what bugs me is that, in a show that has LGBTQ characters, " strong independent women" , a person of colour as the lead and most of the cast being minorities, the most sympathetic one is the rich, white guy. And the creator of the show is a white guy. It all seems too suspicious

[@patrickmcguire7896]

The whole hallucinations things went nowhere! They kept coming up with different reasons behind it each episode, and Velma stopped having them after she got over her “Daddy issues” but if that wasn’t the source of it why the hell did it stop?!

[@lookingforlove839]

Because the whole reason for those hallucinations was to stall time and extend the show to 10 episodes

[@TheReZisTLust]

It's to keep attention

[@cynicalperson161]

They were the only interesting part of this show due to the visuals

[@lookingforlove839]

@Bluespirit someone pointed it out below in the comment section: Velma's mom left the house to buy her a present. That somehow meant going to Fred's house and uncovering the secret lab. On Christmas Eve, at night.

[@cloud8521]

Plot twist of the century. Turns out that Velma is the real mastermind, she grew up watching scooby doo, really idolized Velma, and hypnotized the whole town into thinking that people in the town are part of the gang, and to commit crimes for them to solve.

[@jackislegitterrified3689]

That would of been legendary

[@Trular-kreyss]

Why aren't you a writter ?

[@cloud8521]

@@Trular-kreyss because I am competent at it, to be a pro you cannot be competent anymore.

[@CheeseTheWhistle]

And then the real Velma shows up in Season 2 to kill her impostor/j

[@WhiteRaven696]

In hindsight, it being Victoria is so obvious. She’s the only one out of the six sets of parents to get absolutely no development. So once she got a focus in the finale, it was pretty obvious it was gonna be her.

[@lookingforlove839]

It was between her and Norville's mom for me. Not because it was obvious from the clues, but because the show was constantly insulting white men, that it was building up to the serial killer being a woman( what a twist). I also thought they would have Velma say something stupid like " Women can be serial killers too" But that didn't happen

[@dodojesus4529]

@@lookingforlove839 see i was betting on freds dad, cause they saw freds penis and because hed also have a tiny penis ghatd be his motive. Extracting the brains cause STOOOPID.

[@Shiirow]

@@lookingforlove839 we all know the message is "man or woman, white people be evil y0"

[@Naoto-kun1085]

I didn't watch the show myself, but I predicted it was probably her, solely because she made the least sense and there was no logic to it. In a show as bad as this, if a conclusion can be drawn using any logic, then you know that conclusion is wrong!

[@draketheduelist]

I thought it was obvious that it was Fred's mom the whole time, but not because of anything silly like plot details or evidence. It had to be a Jones because rich white people, but it had to be a woman because men in this show are blisteringly incompetent. Fred's mom is the only one to qualify. In other words, I bet on Mindy Kaling being a bitter racist and sexist, and I won. ...Yay because I won? Or boo because I have to share oxygen with that bigoted cow?

[@leriava]

13:45 on the point of contradictions this show is a masterclass. All the time Velma tells us how hard she has it and how she's despised and discriminated against but at the same time the writers give her everything: she has friends, the police believe her about Fred at the beginning and about it all the end. Everyone loves her as a girl and when she dresses as a man... It's crazy how they don't seem to realize that it doesn't make sense 🤦‍♀️

[@bdpickett]

She's like every main character in a YA book series.

[@skylex157]

@@bdpickett na, at least most YA stories have a good moral foundation even though they end up crapping in the way or how it's told, it is not commonfor character to be always entitled, heard to and reafirmed in every way, all the time

[@arcticwolflover263]

@@skylex157 its like those y/n stories with the mary sues who say they have a horrid life,but its all just handed to them on a silver platter

[@skylex157]

@@arcticwolflover263 but at least they have bad lifes at some point, they say they have a bad life and then get an injection of luck, they are special, they are mary sues, velma started with problems that got solved in 20 minutes, all the problems outside of her control are solved and the ones that she caused not only have no negative repercution, but have positive repercution

[@arcticwolflover263]

@@skylex157 true

[@ZombieSandwiches]

I noticed that there's these time limits in the show that make no sense. Velma is arrested in the beginning, and then is let go and told she has 24 hours to prove her innocence. Because that's how law works, let the suspect go to prove their own innocence. Her mother has amnesia and has 72 hours to regain her memory or they'll be gone forever, where did that number even come from? Her mother is arrested, and will apparently be given a trial, convicted, sentenced the death penalty, and then be given the death penalty all within the afternoon. Just throw logic and basic knowledge of law out the window with this show

[@lookingforlove839]

Here is the thing: the whole time limit thing would work on a show like Mike Tyson mysteries because that show is bizarre. It has an alcoholic sex addict pigeon and a gay spirit as two of its main characters. But Velma, for the most part, is a high school drama with little focus on the mystery. They are all normal people, no supernatural entities involved. So when they add bizarre things like those time limits, it feels like it doesn't belong in the show.

[@AlphaEnt2]

I won't defend the senseless of this shitshow, but from my understanding, i think the first 24hs were when fred got incriminated of the murderers. So, basically the first episode. Either way, stuff still sucks XD

[@SomeKindaHero117]

They had Norville become Shaggy because of the guilt of killing a person? Well, at least he'll be chill and constantly hungry. Don't ever see this being a problem for him in the future

[@Dave102693]

Hopefully he won’t be a simp and actually love being single, just regular Shaggy usually is. And maybe (I hope not tbh) he’ll get a Great Dane, and his mom names the dog, Scooby.

[@SomeKindaHero117]

@@Dave102693 Let's not forget that Scooby's full name is Scoobert Doo! Though I feel like that would be even weirder if they called him "Scoobert" like they did with "Norville"

[@Dave102693]

@@SomeKindaHero117 really? I didn’t think that the dog had a full name. Lol

[@tangroro]

Amnesia and hypnotization, two of the worst trope and Velma used them both in its finale, worse would be Velma waking up and realize it's all a dream

[@cosmicspacething3474]

13:50 Wow. This actually makes me root for Fred. I don’t care if Velma was lying to get him to break out or not, he was actually being respectful to her, despite her saying she basically wanted to ruin her life. The actual strawman is more likable than the freaking protagonist…

[@briancurtis6022]

Nahh, he deserves to be the villain; he's a white man, and our heroine should have assumed he was the enemy from the first moment he pulled her out of the water as she tried to swim back from Valinor and seek out the evil Morgoth. Oh wait... I'm thinking of a *different* awful streaming series that focuses on a hateful and arrogant she-beast whose only problem is people who refuse to recognize her innate superiority.

[@guilherme5094]

And now with this ending, Mindy and everyone involved with this animation is calling the audience idiots. Sadly, this is becoming a normal habit.

[@briancurtis6022]

But they're just blind to the lead character's obvious brilliance and moral superiority! She lies, steals, and tortures people because they deserve it for disagreeing with her and whining to Starfleet Command about her every little mutiny! Oh wait... I'm thinking of a *different* reset franchise that revolves around an entitled narcissist who has to be proven right about everything even when she's wrong so her flaws can be treated as virtues.

[@ZanyCartoons]

It's really hard to watch the ending without questioning everything. The big reveal makes no sense, they tried so hard to say that Fred's company is successful because of Fred's mom skills and genius but she wasn't smart enough to hypnotize her own son to be a better businessman? In fact why didn't she raised him they way she wanted if she was so afraid that he would ruin all of her work? Was she too busy being a girl boss that she failed to raise her son correctly? Couldn't be because from what we got with Fred she seemed to have smothered him to the point that he didn't mature physically and mentally. And instead of sending her to jail so she learn from all her mistakes she was instead killed off so she doesn't have to accept accountability. Great message show.

[@jendoe9436]

Girl boss business woman and loving mother raising her kid(s) hardly ever works. One will always win out and it looks like she choose career over family. By the time she realized Fred may not be interested in the company (which given his young age makes sense. My siblings and I didn’t start caring about money or jobs until we were in our teens), she blamed society and patriarchy instead of realizing “oh s***, I’ve been a terrible mother by focusing on the business instead of Fred.” No one made her build the company up like that, no one seemed to stop her, and apparently she’s so “yeaaas GiRl bOsS” that she probably could have started her own thing and still be successful. But no, she’s so “strong and independent” one minute and then “helpless victim of society” the next. Her dying instead of owning up to her punishment is another case of: ‘How do you write women so well?’ “Easy, I think if a man. And then I take away all reason and accountability.”

[@dancorneanu9144]

Fred's father was at least trying to change him and make him manly. She was the one with no inclanation. Heck, when Fred's parents got married, his father did so out of love. The guy was a jerk, but loved his familly and tried.

[@dodojesus4529]

Also, vouldnt she just hynotize some surgeon and have him transplant her brain into a joinger body so she wouldnt have to...die, ever?

[@TaleDreamer]

Honestly she could just like... Find Fred a smart wife to take over the empire? Marriage with some prenup that allow the family to keep the company in case of divorce? With Fred as the figure head? So many ways to skin a cat and Fred's mom decided to be stupid like the rest of the cast... No wait actually, that checks out.

[@lookingforlove839]

@@TaleDreamer this show made me stupid because i never even thought of the marriage idea.

[@DuneStone6816]

There is one big flaw in Victoria's plan. If you put a girl's - say Brenda's - brain in Fred's body, what's to stop her from immediately running away and telling everyone she's Brenda and she's been kidnapped? And if Brenda's corpse has just been found with the brain removed (because you stupidly stashed it in her classmate's locker instead of dumping it in a lake like a normal person) don't you think it'll be pretty easy for people to figure out what you did to her and Fred? And if you think the authorities would have trouble believing Fred's brain was surgically replaced, I'd like to remind you how easily they were all convinced that the killer was a ghost.

[@srichael2713]

Or just hypnotize Brain-swapped Fred into not saying anything about it. Or a more simpler plan just hypnotized Fred into becoming better.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@srichael2713 One person tried to argue that he'll be a mindless robot and he'll snap out of it through the finger snap.

[@srichael2713]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel Once again the show consistent inconsistency shows up because we see Fred's dad acting normal. Ugh, this show is putting more effort into their Wokeness rather than consistent storytelling. And some wonder why the show is not well-received.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@srichael2713 Not the show, but the person defending it. However that is the problem with consistent inconsistency of the show

[@angelsartandgaming]

How much do you want to bet by the next season (if there is one), they'll make Fred grieving into a joke of him being a whiny Mama's boy despite the fact he just witnessed his mom dying in front of him and that would literally give anyone trauma?

[@nont18411]

I mean, Marvel did the same thing with Thor, so why not?

[@AnimaVox_]

You mean like how so-called Star Wars "fans" treated Anakin's character for years after Episode II? Let alone how they treated Hayden Christiansen. Getting the same impression here, which is why I'm drawing comparison. I swear, people like this never emotionally matured past middle school age-range...

[@lookingforlove839]

The worst case scenario is that the show improves a bit in second season and people would start praising it more than it deserves. Brittany reacts finds the mystery aspect of the show entertaining and comments on her channel defend the show. The mystery aspect that's riddled with plot holes, Velma actually sucking at being a detective and a twist so bad it leaves more questions than answers. But since the mystery aspect was just mediocre when compared to all the offensive stuff, people praised it more than it deserves.

[@briancurtis6022]

Oh, get serious. Just because they made the guy a clueless and whiny tool who's shuffled to the background except when the writer--sorry, the lead character--wants to humiliate him doesn't mean he can't still fight for the honor of Greyskull. Oh wait... I'm thinking of a *different* cartoon series that misled the audience with nostalgia bait and then shoved an ugly, mean-spirited sulky troll to the forefront so she could bitch at everyone about how not enough of the universe revolves around her.

[@seancarroll136]

I would actually believe Fred’s delusion, since I think a conscious Victoria is trapped in a hypnotised body done by Edna Perdue!

[@MrRobot1984]

So Velma’s mom runs out to get a Christmas present and by that it means going to Fred’s house and uncovering the secret lab???

[@lookingforlove839]

I'm surprised noone actually pointed that out. Good catch

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I didn't even think of that anymore! 😄🤣 Goddamn, you're right! Maybe Velma's Mom lied to her? Maybe that's her version of "going to buy cigarettes".

[@DuneStone6816]

No, here's what happened. She went to the store and bought the shoes. Then on the way home, she decided to investigate Dr. Perdue's old house. On Christmas Eve. Then Victoria ran into her, hypnotized her, and had her drive the car to a random spot in the woods and abandon it. To be clear, the show never explains this. I just made that up.

[@MrRobot1984]

@@DuneStone6816 you did a better job than the show did from what I can see. I’m not going to watch it regardless

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

The endings are shoe horned and the actual mystery is glossed over for the awkward love hexagon

[@Hakokoro]

Fred is the only character to show any kind of growth the whole show.

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

Ironic…

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

15:44 The faces those two (I refuse to call them Fred and Daphne) are making pretty much sums up the audiences reaction to the whole show, shock and horror.

[@animewizard2029]

So they pretty much confirmed that their main character is a irredeemable sociopath.

[@BassiKun99]

Her twerking in celebration over the dead body of Fred's mother and then kicking her father, step-mother and half-sister (who is a BABY) out of their own house says it all.

[@RedstoneRailroadRR]

Whats sad is that the "brain swapping" could've been more malicious, like using the brains to be immortal. Like if X character was a scientist involved, like General Harry. Then he puts his brain in someone else. HELL that could've been why Noreville's grandmother had been put in an Asylum, because her brain was someone else. Her OG life got stolen and this person is trying to be "immortal." Idk why they would steal more brains for it, unless they were making new swaps experiments with various conditions like time or with creatures. Become a Lizard? idk.

[@gameragodzilla]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of everyone expecting someone to be the culprit, so they had to do a last minute rewrite in order to surprise people. A lot of writers are so obsessed with surprising people so they can pat themselves on the back with how clever they were that they'll throw in a twist whether it makes sense or not.

[@dylandog2296]

A regular 20-30 minute Scooby Doo episode is the perfect amount of time to guess who the monster is. Stretching out the mystery for a full season, with the lacking ability of these writers, just makes the show boring, dull, and predictable

[@feytia_of_phantasia9418]

I don’t even understand what the logic behind this is! When a mystery story is written well the audience can follow along with the detectives as they find clues and piece together their own theories, that way it’s all the more satisfying when the culprit is revealed and everything falls into place. That’s the whole point of a mystery! If the theory is correct it makes the audience feel good about themselves for getting it right, or if they get it wrong, the reveal is surprising (if done right) and makes the audience go “ah crap! Why didn’t I think of that!” And it’s a good feeling regardless if it’s executed correctly! I’m a writer and if I knew that I had written a story well enough that people could figure things out without it being completely obvious, I would be ecstatic! What’s the point of even writing a mystery story if you’re gonna pull a switcheroo on the audience for cheep shock value!?

[@gameragodzilla]

@@feytia_of_phantasia9418 Because a lot of writers seem like they want to prove themselves smarter than the audience, and one way to do that is to surprise and shock people.

[@Xxxvidsdg]

So the serial killer is a character we barely know… and we’re supposed to care how?

[@jarrettcox3557]

“Don’t you wanna be reunited with the people you lost?” Honestly no

[@404_Toonz]

11:18 EXACTLY even in this exact frame Fred just looks like a cute innocent kid - props to the artists. They're the real ones.

[@FreakyEngine]

10:52

[@Trular-kreyss]

He really look cute. I hate Velma and Mindy for what they did to him.

[@wanderingsleepwalker2848]

It is kinda funny that Fred, despite being shit on by the show the most, gets a somewhat complete character arc and the (relatively) largest character development out of the main casts

[@KiallVunMyeret]

That was one smooth sponser transition The finale was the definition of "I expected nothing and was still dissapointed" I am convinced they made it bad on purpose. They had to right?

[@VictorSwamps]

Here's an idea for a Scooby-Doo show: Instead of a origin story, how about a reunited story like in the first live-action movie? The gang has been broken up for years. Fred and Daphne are married and are raising a kid, Velma has become a hot selling author, while Scooby and Shaggy have become successful restaurant owners, making new recipes with their own secret ingredient. They still keep in touch and regularly meet up, but their new lives make it hard for them to resume mystery solving. However, when Fred and Daphne's kid goes missing, Velma's new book disappears, and Shaggy and Scooby's secret ingredient vanishes, they fire up the Mystery Machine for one grand finale as they transition from kids to adults. I'm open to new suggestions if anyone has them. I think this might have been better than what Velma turned out to be.

[@KingFlameHawk]

This is kind of the premise of Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, the gang broke up and are living their seperate live but come back together to solve another mystery like old times.

[@VictorSwamps]

@@KingFlameHawk I'm sorry. It's been a long time since I saw Zombie Island.

[@thejudge4421]

I'd like a CSI for the gang where they'd be contracted privet eyes and it wouldn't be just murder it would be kind of a blend of the Hardy Boys and Law and Order

[@Snowball87754]

This sounds really great

[@dodojesus4529]

I think we can drop the book/ingredient. Missing kid is a good enough motivator alone

[@crazygur1y]

If they do end up making a season 2 (which I pray they don't) the least I can hope is that the show becomes 90% Fred, 8% Gigi, the other 2% Daphne and Norville and Mindy's self-insert character gets thrown into a lava pit at the very beginning of the second season for being the MOST insufferable character ever written. That thing isn't Velma. My girl is kind, smart, badass and sassy. Look how they've massacred my girl.

[@briancurtis6022]

Oh, come on... next you'll complain that a kindhearted and compassionate young Jedi has turned into bitter, broken failure who never accomplished anything and only exists to be shown up by a new female protagonist who does everything better! Oh wait... I'm thinking of a *different* pop-media series that tramples on established male characters to prop up an awful female replacement who never suffers the slightest doubt or setbacks.

[@silvertongue.242_99]

The possession of the grandmother ghost would have made the finale make more sense. Idk how anyone thought the mystery part of the show was going to make sense or lead to anything

[@NrgBuster]

This less than 20 min video puts more thought into the narrative and plot of this series than an entire room of "professional" writers over the course of however many months if not years of development it had

[@dodojesus4529]

For this kind of "show" i genuinly believe the writing to took place one evening and involved a lot of booze. No way any trained writers focusing just fuck EVERYTHING up this hard

[@lookingforlove839]

I really liked Tanners take on this plot twist. Some people goes overboard with the hate, while others cope with it. She just straight up lays it as it is

[@FF-tp7qs]

Classic Scooby Doo had episodes where the monsters identity was nobody that showed up previously, like a werewolf that turned out to be a sheep rustler, or the ghost on the island that was actually a stage magician using a projector. They still made more sense than this "reveal" because that was an episodic show where they were travelling around and therefore they weren't going to know everyone around.

[@HighHeelKnight]

When I did research for my own VELMA review / rant, I learned Mindy Kaling’s real name… Vera Mindy Chokalingam Since the program is centered around the comedic actress’s pessimistic feelings about social constructs and the characters are radically different from their traditional interpretations, I wish Warner Brothers told her, “Why don’t you just make a Vera cartoon?” (Kaling wouldn't be allowed to have the dog or the "Shaggy" name in the program anyway.) The program could have been a semi-parody of other cartoons, like The Venture Brothers, South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Vox Machina, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Harvey Birdman: Attorney At Law, etc. Kaling certainly wouldn’t have been the first celebrity with a cartoon based on a performer's life and likeness. The Jackson Five, Howie Mandell, Louis Anderson, The Harlem Globe Trotters, Michael Jordan, The New Kids On The Block, Rick Moranis, The WWF, and many others have had self-insert cartoons in one format or another. Family Guy isn’t a direct self-insert for Seth McFarlane, but he voices several leading and reoccurring characters and the show regularly highlights McFarlane’s love for musicals. Kaling should have just made a VERA cartoon. She could even have those other celebrities on the show, like Wanda Sykes and Stephen Root, just make episodic cameos as themselves… just like The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries series. BUT NO! "Vera" would not get as much attention as "Velma" would. Kaling and the showrunners scrapped the bottom of the barrel and piggybacked on a beloved franchise. It was the easiest option that would generate the maximum media coverage.🤦‍♂

[@RobotTanuki]

As I keep saying to myself: letting this lunatic have free reign over Scooby franchise is brand damaging. Not sure if as much as Last Jedi brand damaging, but quite a severe blow.

[@snailandspider9178]

In french "Velma" is "Verra" so I just thought "Wow, now I get why she saw herself so much in Velma" Edit : I know she isn't french so she probably wouldn't even know that but that was just my first thought when I read her name was really close to Velma name in France.

[@YangHajime]

The real mystery gang would be proud of this amount of investigation, seriously, nice!

[@Omen_Cheetah]

Honestly, the entire show sounds like a Redit RPG horror story. With Fred possibly being the post author, and Velma def. being the self serving OC DMPC Dungeon Master. Fred just wanted to have fun in this mystery solving ScoobyDoo inspired tabletop, but ended up getting dragged through the gutter for playing a human fighter. Only to have what little plot was written to be derailed in favor of the weird love triangle between the other players that he can't distinguish if it's in character anymore. Then, when finally it seems like the game is getting somewhere the only plot relevant NPCs to his character end up being the *only* badguys, and before he even gets a chance to have that emotional 1 on 1 scene, Velma and the rest of the murderhobo party ruin any chance he has of having just 1 nice character moment.

[@SpectreBagels]

WAIT A MINUTE, why didn't she just hypnotize Fred? Cause apparently hypnotism can be used to effect memory and thinking? Edit: As I was typing, this very thing was proposed😅

[@greenguardian5845]

2 Great Minds thinks Alike 😂

[@srichael2713]

I have a fellow poster in an online forum also ask the same thing. After all it is an easier and less risky solution than what Brain swapping.

[@seancarroll136]

Why couldn’t she be the one hypnotised by the killer, framing her family as the killers?

[@Trular-kreyss]

Because Mindy Kalling is stupid cow.

[@FillaneAmmisto]

I don't get what gives Velma the right to kick out her dad and her half sister who is literally a baby. I assume her dad paid the rent and such. Well, hope he and Sophie can start off a new life far away from this lunatic. Still pissed about how dirty the show did Fred. The dude is a teenager and went through more traumatic experiences in 10 episodes than most fictional characters do for multiple seasons

[@ryanmaclean1720]

TBH I want to see a spin-off of this about Fred and the early days of Mystery inc. He has motive, means, and actual grounds for actual character development where he can learn to find positivity in life through an honest day’s hard work. While this version is my least favourite version of Fred I would want to see an actually well done series following this one into becoming one of my favourites. I’d also just love to see him grow a backbone sticking it to Velma on just how narrow her own world view is

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Honestly, Sophie, Gigi and Fred all deserve to be in a better show. Or at the very least very far away from Velma. As horrible as it is that Velma threw her Stepmother out (who seemed like a pretty nice woman who simply had weird hobbies) at least she and her daughter won't have to endure the presence of this glasses wearing goblin. And Sophie's Husband is a lawyer, so I'm sure the three of them will be fine once they find a new House. Gigi will be fine too, I am sure. I admit, I am a little sad that she and Norville broke up, but mostly because I want Gigi to be happy. She's one of the only good new characters. As for Fred......the poor guy needs a hug. For somebody who's apparently so privileged and could get away with so much because of his gender and his skin color, the show punishes him pretty often. So what is it now, Writers? Does Fred have it super easy because he's rich and male or is he a joke? I am starting to get the feeling you don't know that yourselves.

[@doesntmatter5857]

Wow. Velma is so bad, it made J grow from sheer anger. Impressive. Also, closer to She-Hulk than that series ever was.

[@fatemakhan3843]

Mindy is the sole definition of the word "Privilege" itself. She grew up in a upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle in her life to get where she's today now. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually HER.

[@5am892]

Fred experiences a legit character arc that, with proper care, could've been a great selling point, which makes the show throwing pathetic potshots at him all the more infuriating

[@Groomsman]

The only thing this show doesn’t disappoint on is that we all knew it was going to flop

[@lilacorkindheart8325]

I have no words... The amount of hate and bile in this show, prevented me from remembering anything of the story. Even in a review form. Thank You J for summerising this... Mizantrophy made onto digital drawing. I hope you won't have to suffer more of it. Now I'll just... lay down. I feel sick from this. Even in a short form.

[@hibikuokudan]

Why didn't she just hypnotize Diya into giving her the journals and making Diya forget she ever saw them?

[@srichael2713]

Congratulations. You managed to come up with a plausible scenario by giving it some thought unlike this show's moron of a showrunners. Hypnotizing Fred to make him better would also have made more sense...

[@AnimeboyIanpower]

What is she gonna do with them? Summon Bill Cipher? (Yeah, I know they're not those journals, but let's be real: It would make things more interesting than they already are...)

[@DuneStone6816]

One thing I still can't understand is, do the writers want us to care? When they write things like Velma dancing over a corpse while everyone else is mortified, or Velma locking most of her family out of the house to be alone with her mom, or Velma generally being happiest when everyone else is miserable, these must be intended as jokes. They must know these scenes make Velma look bad. The problem is, in order for me to not hate Velma, I have to stop caring about what's happening. But from the way the characters are written in some scenes, I think the show wants me to be invested in the story. I can't just turn off my investment every time Velma decides to be an unrepentant asshole for a joke. Do they want me to care or do they not?

[@hahstudios2753]

I do wanna thank Velma for one thing: my hatred toward it gave me the motivation and energy to make a scooby doo reboot that I’m having LOADS of fun with

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

We can all agree that the ending would be 100 times better if it was revealed that the ending shows that all of this was just a Hallucination of an old velma who dieing alone because everyone left her after realizing how much of a toxic parasite she is

[@ijustexist3866]

The few good things about the show is Fake Velma getting hurt, and uniting almost everyone into hating this show. Also Oman should not help Fake Velma and Dia at all after they kicked Sophie, Amanda the baby and HIMSELF, the one who payed for the freaking HOUSE, out of said house

[@GirlWhoLovesTurtles]

I actually predicted that Fred's mom would be the killer, though not because of the motives given in the show. My big reason for assuming this is because they were pushing so hard for the idea that it was a "rich white guy" who did the killings but these kinds of shows tend to go for the twist of "the only thing worse than a rich white man is a rich white woman."

[@bliczb8772]

You know, in writing, there's this concept called "Chekhov's gun". Simply put, every element introduced to a story needs to have a purpose, it has to be necessary. For example, if writer introduces a gun, there must be a reason for it, such as the gun being fired later on in the story. The funny thing is, the advice is pretty basic, as it was designed by Anton Chekhov for young writers. But it only highlights the issues with Velma and entertainment as a whole. Let's look at it this way - Fred went to prison. Why? Because he got wrongly convicted. Why? Because he blew his fuse, because Velma kept insulting him. Ok, so... What was the point of him going to prison? What happened in prison that required him to go there? Did he got any clues? Did he changed as a person? No. He went to prison and he came back out of it, and nobody brings it up again. You could easily remove the whole point of Fred going to prison, as it's inconsequential to anything. The only thing I can think about that it'd affect is the comment from Norville about how satisfying it is to see a rich white guy get wrongly convicted (What. The fuck. IS WRONG WITH YOU?!). Although, me saying it... I guess that in a twisted way, it was a setup to Velma manipulating Fred so he'd break off the operating table and beat his father up (how the fuck do you connect these dots). But even then, the act of Fred going to jail is pointless (not to mention that he still should've went to fucking juvie instead of full-blown jail). Same goes for many more things in the show. Daphne sells drugs. Ok, why? Because she wants to hire private detective to find her parents. Ok, does she do that? No, she doesn't. Instead, her parents just throw her a geode through the window. So... What was the point of her peddling dope in the end? No reason, she'd have that geode thrown regardless. And the only reason it exists seems to be for Daphne to conclude that she is genetically pre-disposed to being evil (What. The fuck. IS WRONG WITH YOU?!).

[@lookingforlove839]

The only point was that, Fred being in jail caused his mom to hurry and kill the third girl and dump her, instead of framing Velma. But it has been shown that his mom hates Fred. So why the hurry? Fred is not on death row. She has plenty of time to kill someone and frame Velma. It would have been more concrete evidence, since the main suspect is already in jail

[@DuneStone6816]

I knew this series had a lot of pointless subplots, but you're making me realize it's even worse than I thought. The only reason to have that subplot with Daphne's birth parents is so that her mom can leave her the watch at the end. All the romances are broken up by the last episode and non of the participants seem to be any better for them. The brain jars are damaged right before the gang escapes the hideout for no narrative reason. Sophie has a baby just so Velma can pretend it's hers for one episode. And that episode could have been skipped and we go straight to Diya claiming she did the murders. Daphne seems to collect personality traits that serve a particular plot point and then are never brought up again. Velma is constantly getting episode arcs that give the appearance of improving her relationships, but this doesn't translate to any lasting change throughout the season.

[@lookingforlove839]

@@DuneStone6816 about the pocket watch, that was a really poor attempt at connecting that sub plot to the main plot. I mean, do you really need to waste what was essentially 2 episodes worth of screentime, to find Daphnes parents? You could have as well have the killer target Daphne and fail and drop the pocket watch. We already established that Daphne is a competent fighter. Instead, the killer wants he brain of Daphnes mom( why? Just why? What made the killer choose her brains, when he was targetting teenagers before?)

[@triggerfairy4070]

@@lookingforlove839 the killer should have targeted daphne after mama n Jones see how she got hers and fred popularity back. Why pick velma who isnt academically smart or even street smart

[@lookingforlove839]

@@triggerfairy4070 Eventhough the show sucked at it, they really wanted Velma to be the smart one. I made another idea for a twist, where the culprit was actually a rival family of Fred who wanted to swap brains with Fred to inherit his family's wealth and merge the company with theirs in the future

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

I CALLED IT!!!! I knew they would pivot it to "Yes White women, you are bad too!"

[@hassathunter2464]

Yet they are still girlboss to have made the entire company, not that useless man, who was, of course, useless. Yet still it''s better to be them cause their priveledge, which she didn't need to do all her man couldn't? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE...

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

@Hassat Hunter making sense? What are expecting, story telling? This show is about pushing a message, not entertainment.

[@dizzpenzerr5367]

Ah yes, Velma's the smart one! -Constantly copies Norville's Work. -Makes a fake report card. Totally the smart one.

[@matthewbrown2500]

The only thing question I have for this episode is how Shaggy was about to react fast enough to block a bullet?

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

Because he's Bat--- oops.🤭 Because he's 🥷🏾 Shaggy!

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

It's funny that the only character with any development is Fred when they want everyone to hate Fred.

[@BurningAzure]

Maybe he should get to know Santa from Santa Inc. (ironically another HBO Max exclusive) and James Ironwood from RWBY.

[@mammon8683]

On the bright side at least they didn't Introduce Scooby right away only to give him the Hoodwink Too!/Brain Griffin Treatment of getting ran over the very last minute. But just like Lower Decks with It's chances of seasons; brace yourself!

[@Dave102693]

Lower Deck is actually a good show

[@TorridPrime217]

I am dead certain this show was approved while they outright that everyone under the sun would hate it. I'm even starting to think the ending was rewritten at the last minute just to PO even more people

[@myrmidon7]

Remember the time when the Mistery Incorporated used to triumphantly dance over the corpse of the fake monster they accidentally killed, at the end of every episode? Yeah, neither do I, frankly.

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

The fact that velma had to make mofo _shaggy_ fake a report card for her invalidates this entire show. I get we don't consider this a true Scooby do spin off. But at this point the only thing about this remotely similar to Scooby do are the names and the fact Fred looks like he's a protagonist from the hardy boys. Oh and how they dress. That's IT! They made the show about velma, and took away the thing that makes Velma Velma. You can replace the cast with anyone, and it wouldn't make a difference.

[@TheFirstPotato]

Remember everyone, not only was this a self insert, but Mindy even proclaimed that she always felt she connected greatly with Velma...so this is honestly how she feels Velma would behave and act, despite literal *decades* of shows saying otherwise. 🤦‍♀️

[@gamer11011101]

My question is how and why the first body was stuffed in Velma's locker and episode 1?

[@BassiKun99]

Fred's mom wanted to frame Velma with Brenda's body. Though that also begs the question as to how Fred's mom was able to get inside the school without being spotted carrying a dead body, let alone know which locker was Velma's since they don't seem to be labeled.

[@lookingforlove839]

@@BassiKun99 why though? Why frame Velma? The false motive that was planted inside Velma's mom was that she was stealing the girls brains to replace Velma's.

[@brandonevans9355]

Everything I've seen about this show is truly astonishing.

[@redvenge709]

I often see internet critics talk about how damaging "time travel" plots are to stories, but I really think "mind control" plots should be just as heavily panned. "Mind control" removes both agency and accountability from characters. If it is handled poorly, causes the audience to quickly become uninvested. Rather than the killer being smart and capable, manipulating characters and events from the shadows, they have an "i win" button in the form of "mind control". They just remove agency from anyone to make the plot happen. If her powers were truely that great, why bother with being a wife when she can just brainwash politicians into changing the laws? Why not make herself president for life? Her powers do not seem to have limits. Another problem is the idea that silly fictional worlds do not need serious worldbuilding or character development. Stuff can just happen randomly, people will laugh and not think about inconsistencies that would cripple the plot, because the audience is not supposed to think about it. It either shows a lack of respect (since they are treating the audience as idiots) or a lack of skill (since they cannot create a silly fictional rules with consistant characters and world rules). Parodies are very difficult to write. "Spaceballs" and "Men in Tights" are probably some of the better known parodies, and the key to their success is consistant characterization. While the universe they inhabit is silly and mutable, the characters have definable characteristics and play off the weird world setting. Also, have jokes that are actually funny. I would suggest watching a parody you enjoy, then you can compare to really see just how inept the Velma show is.

[@lookingforlove839]

There are movies that do make the hypnosis plot line work. For instance,it works in the Korean film, Oldboy because the main character was confined to a solitary place for 20 years, while the father of the female lead went missing. So, one person has been kept from outside contact for a long time, while the other has daddy issues. So it's easy to hypnotize or give suggestion for these people to fall in love with each other

[@srichael2713]

Venture Brothers is a silly fictional world... but unlike this show many characters including villians have character development.

[@redvenge709]

@@lookingforlove839 There are also shows and movies where time travel works (Doctor Who, Back to the Future). There are also many, MANY more shows in which time travel or mind control do not work; used a crutch to fix poor writing decisions.

[@lookingforlove839]

@@redvenge709 I'm personally not a big fan of back to the future series. But yeah, there are many shows that does time travel plots well. One of my favourite shows is steins gate. The problem with using mind control as a plot device is that, they never really tell us the limits of the hypnosis. It worked in Oldboy because one was missing human contact, while the other was missing a father figure in her life. In this show, what's really stopping Fred's mom from just taking over the town? Or atleast the influential members of the society?

[@strobo308]

They took Chekov's gun and buried it three hundred feet underground

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

After they hung it over the fireplace and encased it in glass They then ordered a lifetime supply of Mcguffins on Amazon

[@TimeKillerGuy]

I won’t lie, this would actually all be super funny if hotdog water from scooby doo mystery incorporated was writing this all as a fanfic, or honestly if this was all in Velma’s head, with her being the quiet girl, but on day she was hit with a bucket and has been in a coma, and in her coma dream she wanted to be ”popular” with everyone wanting to date her but as she started twirling she would start to wake up realizing it was all fake.

[@chucklebouf5379]

Unlike you with the twist, I was not disappointed with your reaction to it. Great job, thank you for enduring this show for us.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

The plot twist makes sense in that in mystery stories the culprit is always the person you least expect, and this show had teased pretty much everyone else except Fred’s mom. Of course in well written mystery stories there will be clues that in hind-sight make sense with the reveal. And in hind-sight the amount of infantilization Fred was getting at home makes no sense if both his parents were trying to raise him into a type A alpha male. Like why doesn’t he know how to cut his own food? Why is he so dumb? Shouldn’t his mom have been spending his childhood grooming him to take over the company before giving up? I’m guessing they don’t put the brains back because their bodies have been dead for too long. Then again those brains shouldn’t even be alive at this point so who knows.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

I agree with you statement on fred mother, no evidence just insert, it like they forgot about the main murder plot. Also the unsolved murder case in the end make so much sense the law enforcement are awful at there job, and the only way velma solve the mystery was just bieng handed the right clue.

[@DigitalGame18]

Naw, you wanna know the real reason? Its because in this show, men can never be competent, or intelligent, or even capable on their own, its always been the female characters who do everything plot relevant. Of course Freds mom was going to be the killer, the writers literally were not smart enough to write around their misandry.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

@@DigitalGame18 actually that makes more sense,

[@Yami-mugoni613]

@@DigitalGame18 but daphne mother’s were shown as incompetent as well

[@DigitalGame18]

@@Yami-mugoni613 Was she? She was the one who saved velma, she was the one who provided the motivation for solving the mystery, and even her incarceration left her none the worse for wear.

[@Yami-mugoni613]

@@DigitalGame18 they shot a minor with less to no evidence from a prime suspect. And they almost did it later on to norville’s dad

[@BrandonRaske]

this was the most pathetic solution I've ever heard of if it had been freds dad or someone else it would have made some sense but it being his mom doesn't make any sense what so ever.

[@Kajnake]

The fact the voice actor was trying to use velma as a self insert makes me worried people like her exist

[@srichael2713]

Mindy Kaling did say she can relate to OG!Velma... which she really meant was "make her look and act like me."

[@nobody73642]

It would have made more sense if the mom was just trying to put her brain in a younger body and the victims were just failed attempts to transfer her brain

[@ottobaron6392]

So the person who founded the world's greatest mystery solving team keeps accusing innocent people of a murder, (in the case of Fred, getting him sent to prison) until she blunders into the actual killer? Having people wrongfully accused of murder may be a first, for any version of the Mystery Inc. shows.

[@BlueEXEVideos]

5 bucks say they hadn't actually thought of who the Killer would be until they got to the episode about the reveal.

[@TerrorKingMugen]

The fact they gave fred shaggys mystery machine is so weird still. Most series I remember whenever it came up the van actually belongs to shaggy he just cant or doesn't like to drive?

[@pallasdiana4206]

This experience could easily be described as WTF: The Show because you'll end up pausing at least times ten times every episode in shock and utter confusion.

[@mr.foxasmg]

man i feel bad for fred. the guy's been through so much

[@Trular-kreyss]

He was shot in the knee and jailed for murders he didn't commit. Instead of Velma, who had a lot of evidence against her. Or even Daphne, since the girl she happily wanted to strangle in the shower. Was found murdered BUT EVERYONE DOESN'T CARE!

[@Salamander128]

This show is inspiring to me for my hobby writing. I know I can't do worse than this, which people were actually payed to write.

[@robertpaul50n]

I like how J has sympathy for 2 dimensional/throw away characters. For example, she hopes the brains eventually get their lives back, and feels bad that Fred is not accepted by his parents.

[@willowingwhispers2612]

The fact Mindy recently deleted her tweets about this show leads me to believe she really thought people would love this show. Not sure why though. You would truly have to be delusional to think any part of this show is loved or admired by a single person.

[@LordKraken3]

I think this is the angriest and most exasperated I've ever heard J be... Honestly, though, this show deserves that amount of anger, especially after these two episodes.

[@Dashound46]

There was so much possibilities from an adult version of the gang. Touching on other reasons besides just greed for why people do things, like a passion murder, or something. But no, we get family guy does murder she wrote.

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

Please... kindly refrain from comparing Mr. MacFarlane's work to *this* (alleged) show. Family Guy is actually*watchable*. (In carefully metered doses.) 😏

[@joshuabautch8936]

At least we can pray that the backlash is enough to convince HBO Max to do at least ONE good thing for the Animation Industry and Put this cosmic horror Excuse of a show out of its misery after being in 10 episodes worth of unbearable agony from being kept alive against its will and against fate