The Vibranium Dilemma - Black Panther

Black Panther is quickly becoming one of the most successful movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And it deserves it. Black Panther is great.
But I'm not sure that it's perfect.
I think there are a couple of big issues near the end of the film that can all be mitigated by introducing one new line of dialogue much earlier. Here is what I mean.
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[@MrDonniemac5]

You are absolutely right. I still prefer what Cole and Coogler presented in having the Black Panther and Golden Jaguar fight on the Underground Railroad. I also enjoyed Okoye ending the final fight with W’Kabi once the American Influence was removed. I enjoyed the movie and I enjoy all of your videos. Great perspectives worth mentioning.

[@lugbzurg8987]

OH, MY WORD. UNDERGROUND RAILROAD. HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT!?

[@NandovMovies]

Oh my god! I just read the comment again! I didn't even notice it originally! That's genius!

[@themrfj]

Huh? You didn't notice the railroad? EDITED: Oh, thanks google, I get it now. that's pretty cool.

[@lugbzurg8987]

Obviously, I knew it was a railroad... that was underground... and black people were there. I just didn't think of THE Underground Railroad in real-world history when I saw the film. Reasonably-subtle, there.

[@DrewLSsix]

Lugbzurg. Something that means absolutely nothing to a shut in society woth no history with the european/american slave econemy.

[@advitiyashetty8790]

The lack of practical hand to hand combat was disappointing considering black panther is supposed to be great at almost all sorts of fighting techniques.

[@jansenallensigaton6328]

ADVITIYA Shetty was disappointed too. he was so good at civil war

[@jacky61006]

This is basically what they did in Homecoming. Spiderman's new suit was just way too OP. Stripping him off of all that crazy tech before the finale really made the final action scenes more visceral and awesome. This entire video perfectly addresses the most important fix that Black Panther needed.

[@consonaadversapars]

Good point. I thought Homecoming was way better than Panther overall.

[@nlg070301]

Sreehari except there was barley a final fight in Spiderman Homecoming. Both movies were similar in that the CGI took away something from the experience. The flashing lights on the plane made it difficult to see what was going on. Both were disappointing final fights IMO.

[@blakebrockhaus347]

nlg070301 homecoming's final fight was less direct though, vulture was trying to get out with lots of stuff and Peter was trying to stop him. The stuff on the plane is supposed to be disorienting, because Peter is disoriented. By the end it was just who can survive the brawl long enough to escape.

[@nlg070301]

Alan Brockhaus bit dissapointing don't you think considering Spiderman had very visceral fight sequences in the comics and the early Toby Maguire films.

[@blakebrockhaus347]

nlg070301 just because there isn't much blood doesn't mean it isn't brutal. The other Spider-Man films make you feel that he's hurt, homecoming makes you feel that both are exhausted and at their absolute limit, both somewhat out of their league.

[@thelabada721]

Can we just talk about how Black Panther takes place a week within Civil War, and so the distasteful "what are those" comment by T'challa's sister about T'challa's sandals makes sense as it was pretty meta back in 2016? T I M E L I N E S E E M S G O O D T O M E

[@user-gk7nr6vn7g]

U too smart

[@BashslashSlayerTv]

You mean before civil war?

[@user-gk7nr6vn7g]

@@BashslashSlayerTv After Civil War. I think @The LaBaDa meant just within weeks of Civil War happening.

[@SpinningTurtle66]

And now Endgame has put us 5 years in the future, even harder to explain than 3 years in the past.

[@ziemayet]

Clever . But how about this ... Explain hulk dabbing I'm 2023 ! Gotcha ! PS it's a joke we all know why he dabbed

[@zhongsunyong8955]

Absolutely agree, as Stark said in spiderman homecoming: "If you're nothing without the suit (or the panther powers in this case), then you shouldn't have it." Imo they messed up the Hero's redemption arc, it was evident that he lost to killmonger in terms of combat skills, in the final fight he should've showed us why he deserves the mantle of black panther, both as a king, as you've mentioned, and a brilliant man just as he was in the comics

[@teddybruscie]

Zhong Sun Yong Just add to what you said. Alot of people forget that Stark learmed that ideal from Captain America back when he asked Tony who was he without the suit. Stark later on learned that he had to be Ironman even more without the suit and he passed that on to Parker. Consequently, T'Challa has learned through his interactions with the Avengers that the world is catching and he can't be Black Panther to just Wakanda, he has to make peace outside of Wakanda cause sooner or later, they're gonna find out about Wakanda and Wakanda is going to get caught with their pants down.

[@zhongsunyong8955]

teddybruscie I'd actually argue that Stark learned that the hard way when he was unable to use his suit in iron man 3. Where he had a panic attack when he felt so helpless, in which the kid reminded him that Stark was the one that built the suit in the 1st place. Iron man 3 was a pretty meh movie, but I really love the scene when he Macgyver-ed the shit out of household appliances to infiltrate the "Mandarin's mansion" Black panther was a very ideals-centric movie. The final standoff should've been a war of words and ideals to establish who would best lead Wakanda

[@teddybruscie]

Zhong Sun Yong He definitely learned it the hard way. But I'm sure he heard Steve in the back of his head like, "told you you was bitch without that suit." Lol But yea Black Panther is an action movie. I don't think a speach at the end would be acceptable as an ending. The Villian has to either be killed or captured. Those are the action movie rules.

[@zhongsunyong8955]

teddybruscie Yea tru tru, tho captain america winter soldier pulled off a political thriller whilst having 1 of the best hand to hand combat fight choreography, I was hoping black panther could've pulled it off too :/

[@chemtrail2269]

The hypothetical long shot fight reminded me of the first Kingsmen church scene. THAT would of been CRAZY to see in Black Panther.

[@lushbIood]

The dream

[@StevenKaneCo]

literally EXACTLY what I was thinking about too. Have a long shot hand to hand John Wick shot or Kingsman shot

[@Charmer4856]

I'm getting sick of the CGI suits. I like when they actually take off the helmet

[@greenEntertainer.]

Free Bird Forever!

[@kieran10202]

Shadow physics could be a good plot device in the sequel. Imagine Shuri plans to push wakanda's medical tech even further than it already goes by resurrecting a dead body, this creates a schism between wakandas futuristic and traditional sides. She tries to use klaue's body as a guinea pig, converting his body into sound waves and using a supercomputer to reconstruct his brain. Klaue then escapes in the sound body and begins to wreak havoc.

[@NandovMovies]

As long as we get Klaue back, I would be happy.

[@siddhantsharma7728]

Nando v Movies Let's say that Kalau then run to Namor and offers him Wakanda Vibranium in return for Destruction of Wakanda as a Wakanda killed him. Then both of them invade Wakanda while TChalla rebuilds it's after Infinity War. Then we get Kali as a recurring villain while Namor invades Wakanda and TChalla becomes King of the Dead to get rid of Klau.

[@kieran10202]

Fisher Theo Shuri may be super intelligent, but she needs some sort of flaw, why not hubris when offered the chance to take technology further. It's established with the coachella scene that shuri isn't very sensitive to important moral issues, and mbaku questions why they let someone who is practically a child run wakandas r and d

[@zanetruesdale8336]

Holy shit marvel just hire this guy already 😭😭😭

[@nealkriesterer]

IMO he's been very hit or miss so far...not sure I agree about this one. One of the most annoying things in superhero films is when there is this thing that takes away powers. It's cliche and boring. Also Black Panther's CGI/effects were much better than Raganarok.

[@mr.e3768]

no whats boring is CGI fights of guys wearing practically the same suit fighting in the dark...

[@nothisispatrick5691]

nealkriesterer Its Ragnarok and no the cgi in Black Panther was terrible especially the end fight between T'challa and Killmonger and those fucking rhino's.

[@takanara7]

This is dumb, actually. Suri already knows how to deactivate vibranium in the movie.

[@matthewrandell5055]

takanara7 the point was the only way they could do it was by fighting in the mine

[@manyerrors3719]

Shuri's heavy mittens got me laughing

[@retrosyk]

Definitely one of the most level-headed critiques of this movie. Other places it’s either endless praise or endless anger. Thanks for sharing these ideas!

[@jahwasalegend]

great points, fucking brilliant. the movie is already a watershed outside of the “Black Panther” story with the cast and turnout alone, but you mentioned some things that could’ve gave it even MORE power. bittersweet cause now it’s like “damn I wish that should’ve happened”, but keep working. one day you could be writing your own movies with magnificent endings.

[@partydean17]

Yea I think several people mentioned how anti climatic it was to have two seemingly invincible people pounding on each other. If they wanted to use the same scenes they should have shown the weaknesses the suit has in the comics clearly before hand. Anything moving too fast is nullified but someone with their strength if they stabbed hard while slow enough can get through the armor. Also a man of steel necksnap could work. Idk they made vibranium a bit of a catch 22 master of all, they should have let us feel like someone wearing the suit isn't invincible and it still takes the black panther to make it what it is

[@hectorarredondo6929]

partydean17 When klaue shot tchalla with his sonic gun it made his suit volnurable and i thought hey shuri has those gaunlets maybe thats how they beat him

[@cobygreif]

How can we get you hired by marvel to be a consultant?

[@NandovMovies]

Spread the word and keep watching my videos. That's all I can think of. That or become best friends with Kevin Feige. Whatever's easier.

[@nochannelmusician769]

Make comments on Taika Watiti’s videos directed to Taika Watiti. He’s a big KZbin guy, he’ll probably see them.

[@HearthstoneBaj]

Deconstruction of the super theme is heavily used in the MCU; Iron Man 3, Thor, Avengers and Spiderman for example. Black Panther is INVINCIBLE and thus needs to be outgunned/outsmarted so the villain can have a chance. When he was up in the mountains, he shouldn't have got his suit back until the end, he should have fought the baddies without his armor, when he finally stops the blue asshole tribe with the Ape Gang(fucking love those veggie lovers) Shuri could have given him his old suit back, this would have allowed him fight a superior version of himself in an inferior state but still come on top with a mcguffin, like metro stabilizers or the shadow physics you mentioned.

[@mareksison]

I didn't really see that before, but you make a great case! And I agree, I wish T'chala made an epic battle speech in the end!

[@flavour_avour]

sameee

[@user-gk7nr6vn7g]

His "battle speech" was the UN scene at the end. The real battle wasn't for Wakanda, but for world relations as a whole.

[@leoric21]

Yeah but in the MCU Wakanda isn't an isolationist country. This is shown in CIVIL WAR. T'chala's Father dies in a UN meeting. isolationists usually attend those meetings.

[@user-gk7nr6vn7g]

I think it was more symbolic than technical. T'Challa just wanted to get his message out in the most efficient way possible. Though the movie doesn't show him talking to his own nation, something along those lines is implied as he talks to his younger sister and later to the entire UN, who weren't fully ready for what he had to say. Either way, he's shaking things up, and that's obvious from the final shot of the the throne room where all tribes (even Jabari) are assembled, ready to start anew.

[@user-gk7nr6vn7g]

I think it also gives a satisfying arc for T'Challa to return to the setting where his father was murdered and he started his journey, right after he visited where his uncle was killed and Killmonger started his own. That was more confusing than it needed to be.

[@MilesBlackStar]

This is the first time I’ve seen someone give criticism without taking away from the fact that this is a great movie. You have solid points and the point about the fight scene not being CGI is something I thought to myself. More hand to hand combat would have been great.

[@saidmarin4101]

It wasn't though, it was a very average movie. Not bad, but it has nothing that would make it good. Which is a shame, since Marvel came from two genuinely good movies last year.

[@taylormadealpha]

Baboonbootymeat True. The film has been either flawless or not good when debated...even though it is more good than bad!😉😆😉😆

[@MilesBlackStar]

Said Marin it actually wasn’t average at all. It definitely was of better quality than the other marvel movies as evidence by all the positive reviews and gross revenue

[@saidmarin4101]

Baboonbootymeat Yeah, because gross revenue = good movie. Those a Transformer movies sure are masterpieces. Besides the good reviews point is quite nuanced. Look up the reviews, they all talk about how the message of the movie is great and the cultural impact of it. Non actually praise how the message is relayed, which is what the movie is supposed to do. Also, the only reason why Killmonger is praised as such a different villain for the MCU is due to how lackluster MCU villains tend to be. Most are just generic mustache twirling villains. Even Killmonger’s methods are too morally objectable for you to take his point of view seriously. I’m not saying MCU movies are “bad”, but Black Panther is just as formulaic. Which is a shame, since GotG 2 and Thor:Raknarok where sort of breaking that trend.

[@taylormadealpha]

I've seen the movie3 times now and the film is definitely good and Jordan was a hell of a villian in Killmonger. The point the man was making about revenue has to be taken into consideration. 5 weeks out still atop the bo. I'd b willing to wager the transformers films did not come close to this. It means people are still showing up to see a good movie even though yes, the final fight sequence was so so and the first was ok.

[@4ortytoon]

between now and 2020 i cannot imagine hollywood not asking for your input on rewrites to scripts. the rearranged ideas you come up with are simply fantastic!

[@elinobenjamin]

Honestly now I'm hesitant to click your videos cause they make me question my love for certain movies 😅 this was well done and well thought out. Keep up the great work!

[@Zzzquil_Lord_v2]

I was thinking while watching the movie that the suit did make T’challa a bit too op.

[@brandonw6139]

ShrekDaddy445 V2 it definitely felt like there was no tension

[@grimesey8327]

Brandon Worthing I think that's the main problem with the movie. I believe it would have been cool to see tchalla fight killmonger suitless while the latter kept his,would have been more interesting

[@brandonw6139]

Grimesey yeah I also thought some of the pacing was off the cgi wasn't very good and they really didn't give killmonger much screen time.

[@grimesey8327]

Brandon Worthing I feel like they should of had Claue be the main villain,serkis was a far better actor than Jordan in this

[@brandonw6139]

Grimesey I totally agree. I like Jordan but not for this role. I don't understand the hype behind this movie I thought it was very average

[@georgecampbell3687]

Phase 4: *Quest for the Mixtape*

[@Cubelarooso]

Maybe Klaue uploaded his consciousness to his "Sound Cloud."

[@NandovMovies]

It would be the masterstroke of the MCU.

[@drfruitsalad]

your videos genuinely makes me like a movie a little less in retrospect because of the added themes and depth, thank you but also curse you. love you videos, keep up the good work!

[@NandovMovies]

Sorry and thanks!

[@TheRecklessGamerINC]

I wasn’t too big of a fan of the kinetic suit, Black Panthers fight choreography was really great in Civil War and even during the convoy ambush in this movie! So a more physical final battle would have been great. With your shadow physics proposal and the stakes being even, makes it even better. Also I thought I was the only one who felt a T’Challa speech was missing! In the trailer where he’s walking toward Killmonger with his hands out, I thought it was gonna be there for sure. Anywho the movie was great but I do share the same criticisms as you. Your proposals were great and I look forward to the next video!

[@TMWriting]

What I love about this channel is that I’ve never once heard you express an opinion I have too, but it’s always because it’s something I hadn’t noticed or thought of. I don’t love the idea of a magic bomb that renders vibranium useless, just like I didn’t love it when they introduced the weird vibranium disruptors (why else would Shuri have mentioned it with closeups in the second act?). It’s a bit too clean and obvious. But that being said, the idea that they have to fight in front of Wakanda, for Wakanda? Brilliant. Of course they shouldn’t be in the mines. Thematically, it makes nowhere near as much sense. I also love how it empowers the Wakandan people. One of my minor gripes with the movie was how stupid it made these advanced people look by how they put up no fight to Killmonger’s regime. Of course this is about the ideas of tradition/innovation the movie plays with, but it still didn’t sit well with me. If they learned from that experience and threw down their weapons for Killmonger because T’challa proved himself king in more than just combat? That would have been amazing. Also, who doesn’t need a new inspirational speech to add to their collection?

[@MrBobthened]

I think it would be cool if T'Challa had been out of action for longer than he was, and then Killmonger had designed a new version of the black panther suit (Maybe even incorporate that badass mask from earlier in the movie into it ) so that he didn't look exactly the same as T'Challa during their fight (different colour highlights doesn't cut it)

[@NandovMovies]

Truth. I wonder how long Killmonger was actually king? A long afternoon?

[@callmesoul1468]

patrick rangeley-Wilson that would’ve made it pretty bad, the fact that he took the other suit is the ONLY justified reason for killmonger for having a similar suit to Black Panther

[@chillwaffle2033]

T'Challa vs Kilmonger looks too much like something out of Tron.

[@TheLVJ]

*Vibranium Conundrum You have failed us...

[@NandovMovies]

I swear to you. I was sooooo close to Conondrum. In the end, I decided to save Conondrum for another video.

[@montern4009]

Vibranium Corundum*

[@Maacckk]

Could someone hire you to correct super hero movie scripts already. The movies would be so much better for it

[@f12mnb]

Vibranium is just a bit of sci-fi handwaving - in a long tradition of sci-fi handwaving. Your decision to neutralize the armor in an open fashion is a good observation. The one flaw that isn't mentioned is when Shuri makes a half-joking challenge to point out the ridiculousness of deciding leadership in such an advanced technological state by solo combat. "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony" to paraphrase Monty Python. That gets all swept under at the end. It also shows how despite all of the advances granted by their isolation and technology, Wakanda has some weird limiting legacies from their traditions. Great job - it would be interesting to learn if this type of discussion actually occurs between the producers and directors.

[@gabrielmanuyag]

Sees nando v movies video: drops everything I’m doing to watch it

[@NandovMovies]

As long as you're not a surgeon, pilot, or Faberge Egg holder, then that's fine with me.

[@b.055-bot6]

I've been trying to pinpoint what exactly I had a problem with during the finale, and this is just what I was looking for

[@glados2788]

Why aren’t you a director? WTF you doin on YT?

[@geralddillon5746]

Thought of the day, More rhinos

[@lukebennet6989]

Great and reasonable case! While I enjoy big, CGI spectacles in these kinds of movies, I tend to admire dialogue and character building moments more. Because if you can flesh out the characters and serve their case to us to understand why they do what they do, and create a philosophical conflict with words, then the physical conflicts and consequences have a heavier impact. (Edited part) And I heard once that the story shouldn't serve the effects; or CGI, the effects should serve the story.

[@user-gk7nr6vn7g]

Luke Bennet what's funny is that everything you said is my argument for the movie's actual final battle. I think that the CGI looked visually "cool" and stylistic, especially for younger audiences and those who appreciate the art of the comics. I also think that the final scene had a lot of solid fight choreography, while still hitting the emotional beats to allow for character development.

[@GeekOwtLowd]

You are right about the fight being in front of everyone. In fact... I like that ending a lot better. Killmonger could even have T'Challa at his mercy, and the Wakandans turn on Killmonger instead of being blind sheep to their crap tradition.

[@JG124_]

I partially agree. I was honestly expecting different critisms about how the Vibranium works when I went into this video, but you've brought up a whole set of new critisms that I've never thought about before, and I have to say I do agree with most of them. Well done.

[@greysongan3410]

We felt there was room for improvement. You articulated to us the things we all felt. You’re awesome :)

[@NandovMovies]

No, you're awesome.

[@ekinteko]

I think its a very meh movie. And for that I have been called racist. That's the sad affair of the world now, where people who are actually giving preferential treatment and standards (ie racism) are the ones in power and telling people what they have to like. The reason I didn't like it much, is because it was very linear. All the political bits were too simple and uninteresting, so the movie had to stand on its action scenes. And the action scenes were far too absent, and in general not very well done. One part which I think they should have changed was to make Killmonger the son of the eldest born prince, basically meaning he is the next in-line to succeed the throne. Thus, making T'Challa (his cousin) the illegitimate king. That would've been a much needed layer to the film. Also, making T'Challa excellent in some manner was sorely needed. He wasn't the smartest. He wasn't the strongest. What does that leave us with, him simply being the wealthiest? Yikes. So they should've had him with a group of M'Baku's men, as a team, which against incredible odds managing to stop the ex-vasion and securing weapons and an audience with his people. All before the major battle. Basically they needed to show what T'Challa excelled at was being the best leader. And Gold Jaguar would've been left only to the device of threats to kill his own people if they didn't obey him, and attack T'Challa. We could've cemented the threat if his people were wearing Vibranium armour, and the Gold Jaguar had one of the beads which would cause it to explode and kill the wearer, a plot point which could've been introduced in the Korean scene with Shuri destroying the Vibranium armour, so to remove evidence from the street (like Batman did in The Dark Knight). There were so many little snippets which could've added weight and layer to the movie, and they were not there. It missed out on too many opportunities simply because the writers and directors were not focusing on the usual points, but other unrelated things. In the screening, I saw several people sleeping and many bored. These people did not go to the movie to see how great black people and black culture is, they didn't go to see propaganda. Instead they went to see a Marvel Film, one that is an Action Film which has sprinkles of comedy and a more mature undertone of drama. Which is a shame, compare to the original Iron Man movie which had a much smaller budget, less content to refer backwards to, and far less technology in terms of visuals. However, it is head and neck above Black Panther because they focussed on what made the movie great back 10 years ago, here it is not replicated and that's a shame.

[@greysongan3410]

Kangal, I think you have some good insights. Did they still call you a racist after you've mentioned these? If so, they are simply way too fixated on the race/ethnic aspect alone... Sorry to hear.

[@Getwright-]

THE BEST ENGINEERS IN THE MCU: 1.a teenage African girl 2.an anthropomorphic talking raccoon. . . . . . ...3. Tony ...Stank? (does Tony Stank live here?)

[@ChocoboKid216]

What about Hank Pym? Pym particles, man.

[@Getwright-]

ChocoboKid Ah, good point! I don't know if Pym particles count as Engineering or as Chemistry, but either way they're way cooler than arch reactor technology.

[@taylormadealpha]

Those Pym particle could be engieering since they power some amazing tech...i think anyway lol. If they count we must talk Darren Cross bc his Yellow Jacket wasn't half bad either!

[@darksev.6468]

What about Banner?

[@Getwright-]

Dark Sev. I think of Bruce as more of a physicist. That's just my head cannon though, but in my mind: The world's best physicist: Banner Best engineers: Shuri, Stark, Rocket (Forge) Best chemist: Pym, Bill Foster Best geneticist: Xavier, and Macoy (neither in the MCU) Best surgeon: Strange -Best all of the above plus astrophysicist: t'challa (plus Richards and Doom) ...spidey's A genius level chemist geneticist and physicist too but hasn't studied as hard as the rest of them

[@dr.mahmoodsamir1822]

This was really good! I honestly wish they went your way as it would’ve made for a more powerful ending. I really love how you present a problem and a solution which ultimately make any movie you’re critiquing a whole lot better.

[@mixoalter6682]

Every time you make a video like this, it lets me see how the movie was supposed to be and could have been in the first place. All of what you said would not have changed the ending of bp one bit, but it would make it a better movie all throughout, and from now on your version will be what I imagine whenever I think of this movie, for that sir, you have my thanks.

[@NandovMovies]

And you, mine.

[@liquidtrahn9069]

you bring up some really smart points here that I think would really raise this movie to a legendary status. BUT I think that introducing shadow physics in that way opens up a whole lot of doors and would seem like a pretty obvious (to the audience) chekhov's gun type situation if it's introduced at the beginning, with all the extra exposition it needs to make sense, and only shows up again at the very end. I've only seen the movie once, so forgive me if I have anything here mistaken, but I think a better solution would be to make that EMP using the same technology that is used in the mines on the train tracks. It's already referenced much more casually, it doesn't open the whole can of worms that shadow physics does while still serving the same purpose for your new ending, and it fits right in with everything else you already said. Again, awesome video! This was just one little thing that stuck out to me.

[@qhari7a7]

I love that these videos are about actual tangible story treatments rather than just spouting off faults within a movie. You definitely chose the harder way to make these types of video essays. Really good work

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks. I do think it's more fun to do stuff like this than a plain old review.

[@qhari7a7]

Agreed. It works especially well with well-received movies like this. Love that it adds to the discussion in a positive way.

[@indigoblack396]

I'm curious if maybe the reason why they never brought up shadow physics is because they didn't want it to feel like a MacGuffin. Shadow Physicals seems like a cool way to further explore Wakanda and the futuristic african culture of the country. Perhaps they're saving it for a different movie in order to give the concept proper breathing room and really flesh out the idea. Either way I would love for them to bring it up sometime ^^

[@NandovMovies]

My money is on Marvel thinking A) Shadow Physics is kinda nebulous and hard to understand B) Shadow Physics is based on magic and it may take away from the sci fi elements of Wakandan technology C) Maybe they're saving it?

[@guardianknight5417]

Nando v Movies hmm I go with a and that they want to have shuri seems a little less Mary sue still loved her though

[@theministerialnerd2185]

I agree and disagree. Evert Ross's scene was needed for me. To show contrast in the movie. However, having him rip through the border tribe by skill would of been nice too. By the third time he used the redirection ability in one fight. I was a bit bored.

[@taffyadam6031]

H A V E W O U L D H A V E

[@starkman8773]

The best part about this new ending is that they could still have Erik seeing the sunset and saying that infamous “bury me in the ocean” quote. It is finally T’challa who delivers the final blow and as the nation’s tribes surround the two adversaries they talk and slowly part to give Erik his dying wish of seeing the horizon his father talked about. And then when T’challa offers a hand to amend Erik and let him see what it really means to be wakandan he says the famous quote

[@Shatterphoenix]

I totally agree. They really missed a chance to make this great movie a superb movie. The changes you talked about would have added that extra character spice that would elevated the movie and helped it resonate with audiences through character, which is way more important than gadgets and suits. (Gadgets and super suits are still cool though). He's gotta be a person, not a costume.

[@stuartwhyte4274]

You made some really good points here. I appreciate the thoughtful criticism you provide in your videos, and that you offer up solutions to the problems that you see in films. Keep up the good work, sir!

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks. I really appreciate the kind words.

[@MyNegroAcademia]

I have absolutely agreed with every single one of your “one slight change” type videos like this one, you’re good man, too good

[@DuarteAlbuquerque24]

At the beginning I thought it was a stupid idea, but in the end I think you are damn right

[@DPM_Portraits]

@MarvelStudios give this man a job (no sarcasm). nice idea :)

[@JSparkysteel]

Aggggggh This just makes me wish the movie was better even more. I hate the end battle with BP and Killmonger in the train scene so much. It annoyed me how technology was used so much in the movie as a plot device making T'challa an indestructible and uninteresting character than how awesome he was in Civil War. Ugh.

[@jeremydavis5661]

JSparkysteel said no one ever

[@jeremydavis5661]

JSparkysteel I mean you got a point

[@JSparkysteel]

First of all what you just said was straight up the Lion King and that movie does it a lot better than BP. What does T'challa learn in Black Panther? Not much, he's still the same good dude he was before he was king, it's like Killmonger didn't even happen. In fact it was more KIllmonger's movie than his. "Yeah defo said no one ever" Boi look at how many likes my comment has, even from the guy who made this video lmaoo.

[@BmoreAkuma]

JSparkysteel Also Lion king is a rip off of Kimba the White Lion. That lion king rebuttal is so weak.

[@JSparkysteel]

Yeah Ik Lion King is a rip off of Halmet but Hamlet is boring and it doesn't hold it up at all. Just saying T'challa was a lot better in Civil War, it didn't feel like the movie focused on him as much. So stop accusing me of "baiting" or "being racist" when it's just my opinion on the movie.

[@WillTheGreatest]

Damn Nando does it again

[@epicfandoms429]

You continually impress me with your thorough analysis and ways of finding solutions. Once again another awesome video. I believe bringing down the powers and emphasizing the skills and talent of the characters is what this movie needed.

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks!

[@jonv8309]

Thought this movie was amazing but you opened my eyes to see the flaws, good job man. Your version sounds so much better

[@davidmason5719]

Dude recently started following your work. I don’t know how you do it but ever plot addition you do seems so effortless it’s perfect. Great work mate.

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks!

[@Uglyboy616]

I agree on most of your points, but I liked how the final fight ended. With Killmonger seeing the sunset over Wakanda. And having that personal moment with T’Challa. But yeah that cgi got a bit funky near the end

[@NandovMovies]

The end with the sunset was great. I could see it going like this: Big fight. T'Challa wins and stabs Killmonger. Killmonger says he wants to see the Wakandan sunset before he dies. T'Challa carries him to the cliff and they watch it together. It would be very sweet. T'Challa would take him to the cliffs in front of all of Wakanda. And the image of T'Challa carrying Killmonger would mirror Killmonger picking up T'Challa before throwing him over the waterfall. Killmonger doesn't care about Wakanda and will kill its king to get what he wants. T'Challa cares so much about Wakanda that he is willing to forgive Killmonger and grant him this last request as a Wakandan.

[@Topg1]

I don't mind T'challa fighting KM at the end . I just didn't like the cgi. I think both fighting skills should be on display like Iron Man and Tony Stark in Civil War. In my opinion Civil War is the best Marvel movie next to Winter Soldier then BP

[@filmmoviePRODUCTIONS]

One of my favorite KZbin creators. This is another well thought out video, creative and insightful.

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks Mark!

[@kirk001]

Damn that was good. I would love to have seen an entire nation unite behind T'Challa as you described. I know it's just wish fulfillment, but I'd love to see what a united country looks like.

[@mariob3122]

I watched the movie a few days ago and thought it was a perfect movie but now that I look back you have some really good points on how it could have been better. You are good at what you do Nando keep it up dude!

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks Mario!

[@solomoneveyn1582]

Man this is amazing, you have such great insights and alternatives plot structures.

[@zachayres4959]

Every one of these I see is just amazing!! Keep up the great work!

[@dingdud6602]

I hear ya, but this isn’t the right movie to make vibranium worthless. This is where they set it up as being this amazing indestructible thing. If they make shadow science a thing in a later movie it will be much more impactful.

[@hybrid_grizzly]

I see Black Panther in a similar way that I see Wonder Woman, it's good, but it's not the genre defining masterpiece that you'd expect from the word of mouth associated with it (I still think it's way better than Wonder Woman though)

[@wilturner6779]

This was damn near perfect you are amazing. I already had the movie as one of my favorites when I saw it, but you made it so much better.

[@not_briana]

How can't you haven't got a job in quality control from Marvel. You are just a wonderful master in the storytelling field!

[@mightyjuicebox]

I agree with almost everything you said. However I think the problem with that is that it would essentially make Vibrainum useless which I feel would completely ruin the mid credit scene because than they wouldn’t have anything of value to the rest of the world

[@NandovMovies]

I guess what you could maybe do is have Panther keep that a secret or make it really hard to do or something like that. Maybe they use a resource that they only have enough of to do once. That is a good point though.

[@captassassin5680]

Final fight scene looked like they used the cgi effect from Blade 2!

[@gwenfairholm8080]

You make some very good points, but there where a few things I disagree with. First, there didn't need to be a huge Independence Day style speech for two reasons. The in universe reason is basically most people who weren't still on T'Challas side only followed Erik because he had the throne(with the exception of w'kabe, who was following Erik because he killed Klaue when both T'Challa and T'chaka failed to), so once T'Challa won the challenge which technically never ended, everyone would follow him without question. The real life reason is we saw whatkind of king and manT'Challa is throughout the movie. Begging M'Baku to forfeit even though it would have been easier to kill him and possibly would have stopped him from challenging him in the future, honoring Erik's right to challenge the throne when everyone even the queen told him not to, showing killmonger the beauty of the Wakandan sunset and offering to save him even after he tried to kill him and his family and tried to start a global race (and class) war. Figuring out what kind of man he is wasn't his journey in the film, he had already decided that while growing up to be king. His journey was more about isolationism Vs using Wakandan resources to help people. T'Chaka killed his own brother to keep Wakanda isolated, where as killmonger tried to use Wakandan weaponry to put the oppressed people on top. T'Challas journey was more about finding a middle way, help people while remaining true to Wakanda's peaceful ways. My other disagreement is a little more personal opinion. I don't really get why people hate on CGI so much. Sure if done badly it can distract from the film, but when done well it allows filmmakers to shoot impossible scenes, and black panthers CGI is absolutely amazing in my opinion. Like I said, you made some excellent points, I just felt like throwing in my two cents. I always enjoy your videos and look forward to the next one. WAKANDA FOREVER!

[@jenniferfrancistillman7802]

Gwen Fairholm I totally agree with you. I think the author of this commentary was too biased towards a male "proving himself" ending instead of a male being himself ending.

[@Allen.Always]

I had a lot of problems with this movie, but I still loved it. This would definitely fix a lot of the problems and make it more enjoyable. Great job as always!

[@Nexuish]

I actually like your idea! Definitely not a perfect movie, but one of their best in my opinion. Marvel has to start thinking outside of the super powered box if they want to keep reaching the levels of Winter Soldier.

[@sidarthadipayhana4206]

Snehil Shrey it has, but it's on a different level compared to other marvel movies. But hey, that's just my opinion (and some people too)

[@nathanielk7415]

Why do people glorify civil war? I don't get it, the plotting is weird, character motives aren't properly explained and the main fight scene in the movie has no concrete reason to even happen

[@bobjoe7220]

Nathaniel k completely agree I still think the best MCU movie is the original Iron Man and my second favorite is Guardians of the Galaxy

[@bobjoe7220]

Nathaniel k and winter soldier 3

[@zingzaber6989]

Nathaniel k I feel like you just didn't pay attention HA.

[@darcycullen1013]

Damn it!! Why are you always right. This would be been amazing to see

[@thepaultato3243]

Not only are your videos good and keep me interested for 10+ minutes but they also have like 1-2 ads, and for a 10+ minutes video that’s so crazy.

[@aliimrankazan3294]

This has been one of the best Black Panther critique videos i've ever seen brudda. Thanks for the info!

[@thejediwithnoname6082]

I really like this, I thought the film was amazing, this would’ve made it perfect

[@soyamaxotyeni2374]

I actually really liked this film. Especially the characters. But for me the only aspect that was pretty average was the action. My favorite action scene in the movie was the first one wherein T'Challa is rescuing Nakia. It plays really well with his stealthy, no bullshit fighting style. But it was super quick. The idea you had with Ip Man style fight scene with Wakabi's clan could've really been amazing. Just to show the martial arts prowess of the Panther. I wish I could touch on everything you said but I don't write comments often. This is the only channel where I feel comfortable commenting. Love your videos man... And yea Klaue's mixtape should've dropped with the Black Panther album 😂😂😂

[@NandovMovies]

Just imagine if Kendrick Lamar used his amazing talents to write a super cliche rap about getting money and making it rain for Serkis to record. It would have been amazing

[@soyamaxotyeni2374]

Nando v Movies I know 😱😱😱 and the thing is I'm South African so I know how good Serkis's Afrikaans accent is 😂😂😂 so it would really resonate with us all down here

[@taylormadealpha]

Exodus MC yes as far as action goes more was to be desired. Even after watching Infinity War TChalla was not in the most impressive action sequences. It seems Black Panthers purpose was to build Wakanda. It was a political thriller. Like a MCU Broadway play. Kind of like Thor 1 but in Africa not Asgard.

[@taylormadealpha]

Exodus MC The Panthers action sequences were much better in Civil War so we know of given the proper chqnce the character can deliver.

[@soyamaxotyeni2374]

Jason Taylor That is a really good point that I agree with. I often noticed my friends referring to this movie as 'Wakanda' and not as 'Black Panther' so I think that really goes to show how much Wakanda felt like a real lived in place and not so much just another setting. To touch on the political thriller point. I believe Captain America Winter Soldier was also referred to as a spy/political thriller as well and to me that was some of the best action in the MCU hands down and I still love it to this day. No fancy lasers, or super powers (not knocking other action sequences that use this) just pure hand to hand combat which was so enjoyable to watch. I forgot the reason why I mentioned this 😂😂 but I hope you gain the gist of my reply Side note: also agree on the lack of Black Panther in Infinity War

[@izakkyyy]

If the EMP were to go off so close to the mine, wouldn’t it render all of wakanda’s vibranium useless and then they would have to become actual goat farmers?

[@krychickspp2745]

I'm a recent subscriber, and I've gotta tell you, I really enjoy your videos and have agreed with almost all of the changes you've suggested in them, especially the Saving Captain Boomerang video. What you suggested there really would have helped a movie I otherwise enjoyed (though I know I'm in the minority there). Great work! :)

[@ZeroThresher]

I don’t get why it’s called “Golden Jaguar” when African Black Panthers are actually Leopards. You’d think it would be named after the feline that’s actually on the same continent.

[@NandovMovies]

That's an excellent question. I also don't get the design in general. I guess Shuri though it would be cool to have those spots but it doesn't gel with any other BP designs. Why would she even make it?

[@jov4lyfe633]

Maybe Killmonger edited it? Also did you notice that it was the same suit T'Chaka wore when hevwaa BP and when he killed N'djaka's father?

[@pharoahking4275]

because Killmonger is from America. Duh!!

[@ZeroThresher]

Pharoah King That suit was made before Killmonger stepped foot in Wakanda, so that still doesn’t explain it.

[@pharoahking4275]

ZeroThresher true.. but was there any proof to say he didnt call it that

[@BeverlyChillzz]

Great analysis and breakdown, I think these changes would have added a lot to the film! Another great video. Keep it up.

[@digydigdogdead]

When you started this one I was like "nah I really liked all those things" but by the end you convinced me. All good points

[@whazee]

Thanks for this video. I enjoyed the film a lot but I did leave wondering why I didn't love it. It had all the parts I usually enjoy and Killmonger is a great Antagonist. It wasn't until you mentioned the CGI when I realised what it was I didn't like. It's overdone and I felt too detached from the characters. As much as your ending makes sense; Killmonger seeing the sunset has deep meaning for him in seeing Wakanda for the first time. You would lose that. Even So, it's a great idea.

[@paulakroy2635]

whazee I don’t like kilmongor

[@osmanyousif7849]

They probably with this new change can add that scene when T'Challa tries to reason with Killmonger but ends up killing him and he comforts Killmonger and tries to ask to help him but Killmonger can say just that he want to see the sunset, and T'Challa takes him to see it and Killmonger dies in peace.

[@Frodo927]

I love how he definitely reads all comments. Great work with this video

[@NandovMovies]

You know it

[@KevinCow]

You did a better job at articulating this issue than I have. I'm fine with bombastic CGI spectacle, but while that's great in Doctor Strange or Thor Ragnarok, it was really the wrong direction for Black Panther's setting and power set. I just can't stop imagining a version of Black Panther with action more along the lines of Winter Soldier and Civil War. But I do disagree on a couple of things. First, I think a big part of the Wakanda aesthetic was taking things that are usually portrayed as primitive like swords and spears and instead making them highly advanced, and depowering Vibranium would've taken that away. And second, I think Everett was more important than you give him credit for, as he symbolized Wakanda and the outside world being able to work together. But you're right that his part in the climax was too removed from the rest of the action. And lastly, there's no need to introduce Shadow Physics to neutralize Vibranium, because it's already established that sonic waves can do just that. So here's what I think. Early on, you set up that Shuri uses a drone to maintain her sonic emitters, and she controls the drone with her hologram cockpit thing. When we get to the finale, there are two changes. First, Shuri isn't able to get her hands on her updated suit, but is able to get T'challa his old suit, meaning for the final fight he has a suit, but not the energy blast power. And second, Everett's role is changed from shooting down transport ships to piloting Shuri's drone to bring a sonic emitter to the surface and then keep it aimed at Killmonger to depower his suit. The moment where Killmonger is about to kill Shuri could be changed so that instead of T'challa knocking him down the hole to save her, Everett's drone pops out of the hole and blasts him with sonic waves. Then you can have Shuri and Nakia keeping Killmonger in check for a while, until Killmonger throws a spear at the drone and destroys it. Finally, T'challa jumps in to take on Killmonger 1 on 1 in front of everyone like you suggested. Maybe Black Panther gets his helmet knocked off at some point, both as a callback to Shuri ridiculing his suit's helmet, and so the people of Wakanda can see his face as he takes down Killmonger. Anyway, probably some holes in this idea, but I just threw it together on the spot.

[@ccmusic2249]

Yet another one of your videos with which I agree. I think I would have greatly enjoyed this screenplay. In sincerity, I look forward to the day you are an integral part of, or the source of movie scripts and screenplay. Well done, sir!

[@abubruno]

Well. This is one of the best reviews about Black Pantrher I've seen so far. So much so, im liking and subscribing right now.

[@DragonballBlack]

This is the complete opposite of The Cosmonaut Variety Hour’s review of the movie.

[@TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN]

His opinion is the correct one. This movie was garbage.

[@jamesbuchananbarnesss]

@@TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN ⁿº

[@djsoundwave12]

You have some pretty fair criticisms of the movie , however it's still one of my favorites despite some of the faults you mentioned. Keep at it man always love to see your new videos.

[@anthonyrussell8624]

Your review was very good and provides a deeper understanding of the movie, thank you.

[@clintyoung8255]

I have not seen the movie, but, now I have something more to look forward to and see if we on the same line. Thanks bruh. Glad I stumbled on this vid, you might/should have a new fan in me. Looking forward to movie and more of your vids too. lol

[@bruhbruhin_a_sling7775]

RIP Boseman

[@AidanofVT]

Well, ya nailed it. I've been watching for a while, but this has earned a sub.

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks!

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video Nando!

[@joeoldoni3037]

I've been waiting for your next video, I agree 100 percent and that sounds like an amazing movie (your changes).

[@murraynewbett8135]

Ulysses Klaue: Straight Outta Wakanda

[@louisfreeman9551]

This breakdown was excellent by the way.

[@NandovMovies]

Thanks!

[@TheMasterLynx]

total agreement and once again your description gave me back a better final than the real movie itself. yo powerful.

[@DomR1997]

I love your review man, and your ideas were one-hundred percent on point.

[@jorgeagust12]

Every studio should hire you to see their script :v

[@donjuanfrogprince8421]

Spot on, if this is how they’d done it it would have been the best marvel movie and prob my fav

[@thejediwithnoname6082]

Same

[@DrTeeky]

You've been in the money in every one of your videos so far. Keep it up

[@azrael6572]

Love it. All of your rewrites elevate the theme and unique personality of each movie so much, yes black panther should have totally been a showcase of real martial prowess and the rousing, uniting speech he should have given to Wakanda would have made this movie legendary. Bravo!