The Warrior Cats Iceberg

[@crystelthewolf]

The point about the warriors cover artist who traced photos of cats is such a dumb drama to me. Its not like he traced fanart. His illustration style was realistic based, PF COURSE he would find images of cats to model. Animals especially are hard to draw and full render realistically without a picture to work from to ensure accuracy. What a shocker, artist uses references, oh the humanity!!

[@GnarlyTrashFire]

I can agree, it shouldn't be a big deal if you are tracing from irl, its nit anyone's art? If he traced other peoples art that's another story.

[@justmilkcat6274]

IKR!! I love how people now offended that artists actually use references to draw things correctly. Like bruh tf is in ur head people what do u expect from us? Make extremely detailed, nonexistent and never seen before pose with right proportions picture of a cat in our heads and draw from it??

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

@@GnarlyTrashFire you're meaning the original artwork for the original entries?

[@zocritter]

I literally din’t care if you trace pictures, as long as someone else didn’t make it with love and you claim it as your own, If someone traces a picture of a cat, it becomes the artists art, based on the photographers pictures.

[@randomtraveler4149]

I haven't gotten to that part of the video, but if they were doing the art for the book covers, of course they're gonna cut corners or use direct reference! They were probably on a time crunch because _with jobs, you have a deadline._

[@moonbased7796]

I’m kinda sad that SSS Warriors don’t make new episodes anymore but hey, I have heard another group of small animators are gonna make one and from the trailers we have so far, it looks great!

[@DrFuranimationStudio]

Are you talking about : Warriors Cats Fandub (If i'm not wrong)

[@Magentaluvscatz]

@@DrFuranimationStudio I think they mean WCAnimated

[@DrFuranimationStudio]

@@Magentaluvscatz yes probably more ^^

[@blazestar4747]

@@Magentaluvscatz WCanimated has a TON of people working on it though, not a few.

[@August_loves_rats]

@@blazestar4747 Clouded moon?

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Wayne’s art is absolutely captivating. The new art isn’t bad by any means but his had so much heart and soul.

[@SoundBiteOfACleverBird]

8:49 Theory: When Heavystep was a kit, he had found himself lost. It was raining or storming, so he decided to look for shelter. Heavykit (if that was his kit name) discovered a cave to stay in until the storm or rain settled. This cave was the one leaders came to to claim their nine lives. The kit decided to touch the rock, unknowingly claiming 3 more lives.

[@HazelnutWCUE]

ngl that’s actually a logical theory (to me it is)

[@Angie_Ashf3rn]

14:10 even if his art was traced, I don’t see an issue. It’s real life images. People didn’t draw them.

[@swiftyleaf]

As an artist it not a problem when come to tracing a model or real life picture

[@Angie_Ashf3rn]

@@swiftyleaf exactly! It’s for learning purposes! ^^

[@LuvHaebom]

I fully support tracing real images for practice, but you should always make sure to say that it’s traced if you’re posting it anywhere, and traced art should never be used in map parts or anything for another artist or project unless you use only the traced image as a sketch n turn it into your own style by altering it, as of the traced covers, I honestly see no issue with it

[@Angie_Ashf3rn]

@@LuvHaebom yeah, but this was around 18 years ago where credit wasn’t as important as it is now! ^^

[@vinetail5735]

@@Angie_Ashf3rn credit was just as important, it's just that most people didn't give a shit

[@emberfall4933]

8:16 your iceberg is absolutely amazing but my old Rowanstar art from 2020 jumpscared me a little 😭

[@soleilwc]

The art is still really good!

[@mermaid960]

It's lovely! You've improved a lot

[@merlin0552]

It's nice, I like it :D!

[@official_4046]

With the scourge collar thing, I usually just choose what goes best with the current color palette I used for when I draw him

[@zocritter]

Yeah, I honestly didn’t realize he had a collar colour until I read the books, (yes I watched videos before reading the books) I always thought it was purple, (I mostly watch/watched moonkitti, who uses purple)

[@randomtraveler4149]

Headcanon - Scourge has collected collars in every color of the rainbow and somehow switches them so that clan cats don't immediately know its him from his collar color.

[@official_4046]

@@randomtraveler4149 that's kinda smart-

[@pilesofkittens]

@@randomtraveler4149 But I thought Scourge couldn’t get the collar off and he hated it- which was why he tried putting teeth in his collar in an attempt to get it off. I mean, he could’ve always just changed his mind and somehow figured a way to get his collar off but since he thought it was a good accessory that made him look scary he just kept it on

[@Aromantic-freak]

I draw him with a rainbow collar sometimes

[@NapaCat]

I think Secrets of the Clans' origin story of the clans is the one that contemporary warriors tell, not what actually happened. It's a legend of a time no one living was there for.

[@Cenmeow]

4:53 i remember someone from james supercave commenting on the poor george map call. it was cool to see them show so much support for the map

[@frozenandchosen]

I used to love Warriors when I was younger, but I dropped it during the middle of the Dawn of the Clans arc when I entered high school, but those first 4 story arcs will always have a special place in my heart, happy to see people still talking about this series

[@vixymix101]

You should mention ravenpaw x barley, as much as I like talljake, ravenbarley has so much more development, talljake felt more like a bare minimum or a poster child/couple

[@billcipher8645]

I think the reason Talljake is more popular since it's dramatic and doesn't have a happy end after all Ravenbarley is a happy couple which had its hardships but they managed to overcome them, Talljake was meant to be but never made reality-many readers can relate to feeling separated from their lover/crush so it's much more popular I adore Talljake slightly more mostly because of Tallstar who is my favourite character (so my opinion is biased) but I can admit Talljake is a little more exciting, Ravenbarley leaves a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart as I can relate to them but not everyone likes that lol

[@vixymix101]

@@billcipher8645 yeah that's a fair point, the only thing that I really don't like is how people act like they're the best gay representation of the series, when they just.. aren't-- we get one book where they develop but then leave eachother anyways, and as far as I'm aware we don't rlly see anything more aside from tallstar being like "firestar looks like my crush lol". I just feel like ravenbarley deserves that title, because we see in multiple books where their relationship is developed and made very clear they care so deeply for eachother, to the point ravenpaw wouldn't join starclan unless his husband was there-- And they're practically just being dada in ravenpaws farewell-- These guys are probably the best gay representation we have so far, and it's sad to see a dramatic one off side story characters take that spotlight. Sure, it's cute and dramatic, but you can't say it's better rep then the literal married couple-- Sorry for the rant there but that's rlly the only part that annoys me

[@Mark_Jonas]

Well actually, there are many more Erin Hunters nowadays, and Tui T Sutherland hasn’t written under the Erin Hunter name for nearly a decade.

[@randomtraveler4149]

And the people who basically allow any decisions to actually be made are the editing team, I think. Erin Hubter is basically a pseudonym of the writing process of Warriors more than a group of people who actually write it.

[@SavvyKitten666]

Ha, people really got pissed out some cat balls, he was indirectly mentioned in the first book he hadnt been to the vet like some of the other cats in Rusty and Smudge's area to be neutered.

[@miawmiawmiawmi]

nobody’s mad i’m pretty sure people just think it’s funny lol

[@irishuisman1450]

"I can tell you're still a tom" ~Bluestar in Into the Wild

[@liligwaa]

plus he has CHILDREN

[@Tendo641]

still find it nuts that the book called it "the cutter" and got away with it 😭

[@FlowerGriffon]

I miss the old official warrior cats games. That was fun, especially the new prophecy game

[@bladethewolfartist7095]

when the hunting warrior cats game is not even mentioned :( it was my favourite of the three online games.

[@AmberDrawsStuff]

I don’t think the whole **Clicks Tongue** Cat… Parts… needed so much controversy. Of course as humans, it’s inappropriate. But for animals, if it was that bad, they wouldn’t even let us see the animals. And the artist was very subtle about it. It’s just two lines and a dot.

[@Flugel_Halogen]

If they ever do make a movie it would have to cover the first original books. It would have to be a very long movie. Like three or four hours

[@TrueEnergizerBunnies]

Sadly they will probably end up bastardizing the movie like they did with the Owls of Ga'hoole movie years ago. They crammed like 5 books into a 1.5-2hr long movie and everything just breezed by so fast and many big chunks of the books were dropped and other things frankensteined together where it didn't resemble the books that much anymore.

[@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s]

@@TrueEnergizerBunnies yeah it would also be super woke and no one would love the series who would be working on it so

[@4meruru]

​or maybe another timeline

[@Moony1568]

Uh no. It’ll probably just book one. There’s no way they could squeeze a whole arc in one movie.

[@oddgryffin]

"skystar. you're wrong it's 100% skystar." i almost choked on the chip i was eating

[@akirajaxon4718]

loll

[@huskypup1006]

Soleil: The plushies are very cute. My entire brain: So you have chosen death?

[@AngelaTheKittypet]

Tbh they arrrree tho 🙁🤔

[@leahjorgensen1625]

I adored the New Prophecy Quest. When I was a kid I made a board game version of it that's still in a cardboard box in my parent's basement. I don't think I could figure out how to play it now if I tried, but I vividly remember enslaving my friend to help me make all the maps and pieces

[@ccappa2001]

I have seen Northflowo's Warrior's iceberg, so it's interesting to see other things she never mentioned.

[@xxvparanormavxx]

I still can't believe tui sutherland is working on my two favorite book series, Wings of fire and warrior cats go hand in hand, its just sweet. Also, not to mention, but wings of fire the series is being worked into a show thats going to be streaming on netflix, though its a pity no one wants to make warrior cats into a film.

[@Moony1568]

Sutherland hasn’t worked on Warriors since the field guides

[@xxvparanormavxx]

@@Moony1568 Tui Sutherland's Never Worked On Warrior Cats?-

[@xxvparanormavxx]

And my comment is two years old 💀

[@Macko11]

Greystripe is my favorite warrior of all time! Honorable mentions Brambleclaw, Scourge and Whitestorm.

[@lj2659]

THANK YOU FOR USING THIS CHART! I didn’t even know some of these and I’m really into the fandom. Awesome job!!

[@walkingdisaster8556]

I've been looking for more videos like this! Nicely done :D

[@seacaptainminto7169]

I never understood the hate over wild cats having balls. Nobody in the books is neutered- not even the house cats. Sure there's never been a sentence in the books describing other cats balls but that doesn't mean they're not there. I feel like animators should have a right to detail this sort of stuff. It's sort of what making art is- depicting reality. And there better not be any argument over "it's not safe for kids to see" cuz there's enough gore and violence for it to be considered adult content

[@gyomeihimejima3982]

honestly? i remember seeing that map part way back when it came out and shrugging it off like yeah, they're wild cats, out of the ordinary for a map part but it's part of nature. makes sense. crazy how people threw a fit about it haha

[@sillygoose2347]

Im pretty sure smudge was neutered but yeah

[@Tendo641]

"it's not safe for kids to see" mfers when they see a cat in real life and realize their back end doesn't have a censor bar over it (kids can see it)

[@SamuelTally]

It is implied in Into The Wild that all Kittypets are spayed/neutered. Kittypets call it being fixed, and Warriors call it going to the cutter. Rusty avoided this because he joined Thunderclan before he was old enough to be neutered.

[@bluesheep7]

Oh boy, I can't wait for part two! You made a great video. Have you considered adding low background music? It could contribute to the feeling of unkown. New sub!

[@soleilwc]

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll add some music in the next part :D

[@dotdedo]

The new prophecy flash game was my shit as a kid. I remember each square had a chance of a new danger or new item. Kind of like minefied

[@purplecat6578]

You know, I consider myself a pretty big Warriors fan. I've read like 98% percent of the books, super editions, manga and those ones with three stories. I know lot's about the books but never really looked at the media side of things. I never even heard of some of these animations and controversy things. Thanks for making this video, it really helped me to understand more about the fandom than I ever thought there was.

[@roostertuft]

wayne's art is very clearly heavily referenced and done from real images. that's pretty normal for artists. i don't know why people are legitimately upset about that.

[@Squirrelstar]

About the Tailchasers Song book, check out a Beautiful Friendship. I’m pretty sure Vicky read them and was inspired. They have a similar naming system, have cat clans, the cats have trouble with twolegs (pretty sure they were also called twolegs!), and one of the main characters is named Lionheart. They are similar and I think Vicky was inspired, but didn’t purposely steal the ideas.

[@swolejeezy2603]

I remember when I used to be a huge fan of the series when I was in like fifth and sixth grade. Good times

[@cosmetanoia5018]

12:04 IS LITERALLY MY POST IM SCREAMING

[@SkyPangolin]

do you now know it wasnt?

[@cosmetanoia5018]

@@SkyPangolin nope I still heavily believe it was ? Why do you act like it was a stupid assumption to make. I read through the book twice noting every similarity and ended up with a notebook full.

[@Twinklethefox9022]

I find it funny how dovewings eyes have been different colors like her grandmother, brightheart. Who's been shown to have amber, green and blue eyes but that debate is old

[@Lilacuity]

18:30 WHAT I NEVER EXPECTED THIS LMAO

[@aka_nyaa]

Jeez I remember ballgate came back quite recently with a part that I believe was from Alex Harrier? They drew Longtail's balls or something. People really get upset over two lines.

[@smolishbean8237]

Can't wait for part 2! :D

[@tjtheentertainer9376]

I’m glad Gillian Phillip was fired from being an Erin Hunter

[@sparrowwing5347]

I mean I guess it was hinted that Midnight is a ghost in a prologue where she was hanging out in Starclan

[@edsweet2858]

I personally think, as a fan of both Warriors and Tailchaser’s Song, that Warriors was definitely inspired in some areas but not copied, if I’m being honest they feel very different other then similar names and some elements of the story but other then that they are completely different, Tailchaser’s song being about a cat going on a quest to find his Girlfriend while having two other cats tag along, and warriors being about a cat going out into the wild and trying to figure out his new way of life and trying to prove himself all while he tries to solve mysteries with his two best friends, the only big similarities with my two little summary things are the two other cats tagging along and that’s just a very common trope.

[@AntichristsPlusOne]

Fun fact: beetlewhisker also has multiple lives

[@hharrybboy]

Awesome seeing a warriors iceberg!

[@maitaitiu]

OMG i used to play the new prophecy quest game all the time when i was a kid lmaooo i always got the same warrior name of swifteyes and i for some reason convinced myself that that was meant to be swiftpaws name had he not died lol great video!

[@yellowcatgirl]

FINALLY someone else who experienced the new prophecy quest!!!! ive never been able to find any info on it or anyone else talking about it!!!!! i played soo much of it, but couldnt figure out how to progress to the end or owt for life of me it was so hard for my 11yo brain lol

[@theblaze89miller]

This video is cool! Also, idk if this is just me, but it seems like Iceberg videos always have some uncanny/weird feeling you get unlike watching other videos, especially as you go deeper.

[@mysryuza]

The most iconic controversies I’ve heard was the Su saga and the Frecklewish controversy. I find I hilarious how people freaked out over cat balls in animation because feral cats that aren’t neutered have them lmao. I do find the angle weird and funny tho.

[@lunaplays96589]

subtitles: tall jake is a ship name my audio: talljake is a sh!t name

[@Kelly-Bean23]

I’m here because I was there during the eeeeeearly days of warriors on the internet… oh 2008. How wonderful you were. How full of artistic energy I was

[@NightTheKittenn]

I’m pretty sure ballgate was for Alex Harrier’s Do or Die part? I don’t remember a fit being thrown about the part in We All Still Die- but that was ages ago.

[@ravenpawwithoutpersonality3460]

Oh wow! :0 new sub your video is amazing :D

[@sodapopz]

I used to play the crap out of the New Prophecy game on the school computers when I was in like, elementary school!! I'm so glad people remember it lmao XD

[@Eleanor-e9w]

So it was confirmed that scourge’s collar is supposed to be blue, i think… make up your minds hunter team please 😭😭

[@gil7068]

for secrets of the clans, since reading DOTC i’ve always seen it as the story that was passed down through the clans and tainted by time. i don’t think it should be exactly retconned, but rather shown in a different light and understood in a different way.

[@attackfroggg]

all the powers that the three has are based on the senses, dove wing has hearing jay has sight and lion blaze has touch, SO FOR HOLLY SHE SHOULD OF HAD THE POWER TO HEAL SICKNESS WITH. HER. SPIT

[@Mr.Smile-]

Perhaps for the scourge one His collar was purple but got stained red. For that extra set of edge lord points.

[@TheLunarBobaCat]

This is written as of Sunday September 8, 2024. Tencent Video, a Chinese Streaming service, has bought the rights to make a warrior cats movie. All we have is drafts and concept art right now, but it’s a good start! If you see any edited disclaimers on this in the future, it means more info has come out and I have put it under here.

[@wilbur1425]

In the warrior wiki Ferncloud is Brindlefaces daughter, and Dustpelt and Ravenpaw and her brothers….. Dustpelt is Mayes with his niece

[@cheddarthing713]

I think SS was the first thing of Warrior Cats that I saw, and I thought it was an actual show. I was always confused why I couldn’t remember the name of it, but this brings things to light. Hope you have a good day/night! =D

[@StillKURBBZ]

I absolutely refuse to believe that people didn’t think the imposter was ashfur like there’s no way

[@slashercat8649]

the nostalgia this video caused....

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

The controversy with Greystripe's parents is so funny to me. Like... yall do realize cats will sometimes breed with family members right? Cats don't really have the same incest taboo that humans do, at that point people are actively ignoring how real life nature works lmao.

[@ashliplayzroblox]

I think we can all agree that Starkit's Prophecy is the best thing the universe has ever brought to us.

[@regallion93]

I'm surprised Cloudangel's music wasn't a part of the iceberg. Then again at the same time I'm not too surprised since (as far as I'm aware) they weren't too well known, plus Cloudangel ended up deleting their channel a few years back, 2018 I think? But I used to listen to their Warriors' music when I read the books.

[@kadencemotley8005]

surprised the web starts roleplaying wasn’t on here!! ruled my childhood 2011-2014

[@honeqbiscuits]

oh my god! just seeing the name webstarts gave me a wave of nostalgia. my older sister who was also a fan of warriors introduced my to a warriors webstarts roleplaying forum and that shit took over my life for like. years.

[@Smuer59]

10:23|I don't even know anyone irl who read warrior cats 😭

[@LocalTorchwoodIntern]

man seeing the flash game took me back!! I remember a ton of days of me trying to finish it but I could never do it.

[@brooksnook4696]

I’m surprised no one on the iceberg said anything about without this, a claw, the whole series would be less evil no evil tiger, star or Sgorge

[@Sokobansolver]

I've read Long Shadows a few times and never remembered any scene where Heavystep died of greencough in that one nor did he ever appear. AFAIK he died of greencough in Sunset then appeared in the allegiances for sometime afterward (formally appearing in Dark River) and then being killed offscreen sometime between Cruel Season (I refuse to call it Sunrise) and The Fourth Apprentice.

[@thornless_flora]

Awesome video! Nice work

[@AdamWolf-yj4ld]

I had an idea to make my own warriors book. But I still need to read more before I finish it.

[@wolfkitty42]

I'm not sure if this ever made it on here, but what about warrior cat games on scratch? It's a surprisingly large genre with some actually high quality games. (Cough cough daybreak series cough cough!) It's all fun, so I'd suggest checking it out if you have time.

[@inklingplush7592]

great video seeing as i’m starting to get into warriors more properly

[@tripled2096]

when i first got back into the books earlier this year and found out that all the talk of an impostor WASN'T some elaborite among us joke i was honestly a bit scared.

[@kim-urban-edwards2083]

Having grown up near there - Hampshire is a COUNTY, not a country XD The country of England is divided into 'counties' ( a little like States in America ) . Also, there are no mountains anywhere near the county

[@R.O.G_OfficalYoutube]

Discribing the SSS warrior cats movie in 1 word: G O A T E D

[@Carl92-3xf]

there was also a backhoe or some Contruction equipment destroying storm's abandoned two leg house in DOTC which might not fit with the timeline

[@LuvHaebom]

I remember trying to play The New Prophecy Quest as a kid but stopped after like a minute because it was so confusing

[@swiftpawanimates7687]

I would love to see part two have something of the warrior cats video game, it was announced in 2010 but nothing has been heard of it since 2013 I believe. There were some beta testers

[@AcrylicThePartygoer]

wait- i didn't know Tui was one of the Erins that explains why i like WoF and Warriors

[@chip_pawzz]

i'm pretty sure she helps writes the super editions or field guides i forgot

[@AcrylicThePartygoer]

@@chip_pawzz 2 years-

[@chip_pawzz]

@@AcrylicThePartygoer oh i didnt notice i thought it said 2 hours 💀💀

[@AcrylicThePartygoer]

@@chip_pawzz 's okay

[@AcrylicThePartygoer]

it happens lol

[@fastbluelion6481]

Dovewing actually doesn’t fit the prophecy. Dovewing is Firestar’s kin’s kin’s kin. If they didn’t want Hollyleaf, they could’ve chosen Cloudtail or Whitewing

[@Razzlewolfflight]

I’m amazed this video is so short.

[@skywatcher8893]

I was in 4th grade when the Warriors Movie was announced. I am now a sophomore in high school. I don’t think it is going to happen anymore lol.

[@joanielewisandsheisnotstea7220]

I think so in 2023 but sure

[@thebrokenprojectorstudios9595]

the multiple erin hunters are kinda like i am spooky in the diary of a wimpy kid book: double down

[@Someperson12532]

The warrior cats movie is like the FnaF movie.... eeeexcept for the fact that the FnaF movie is coming out the 27 of october this year (hopefully) I mean, there's a teaser trailer! ....thaat made me lose my hopes quite a bit for the movie :(

[@Lady_Carrot]

WAIT ERIN HUNTER IS MULTIPLE PEOPLE-

[@Fizzymilkshakee]

Tbh I thought “ballgate” was gonna be about firestar joining the forest cuz he didn’t wanna lose his balls

[@fairycat23]

I freaking loved that New Prophecy game even though I never survived it.

[@Kin_fe]

13:33 I actually have read dawn of the clans and if I am correct she did get run over by a car while looking for her kits.. so this is official

[@danielj.garrido1228]

Brambleboi was done dirty in Squirrelflight’s Hope

[@NinyaBOT]

PERSONALLY, i think Scourge looks coolest with a yellow collar, but I've literally never cared if anyone thought differently, even when I was like 12, I never understood why ppl got so upset GFKJDL

[@reneablackheart9563]

Man i should reread this, I haven't touched it since 5th grade

[@kiaheat1920]

8:49 so, basically, the Warrior Cats equivalent of Kenny from South Park!

[@Rey_Palpatine]

Maybe one day, the Warriors movie will happen just like how the FNaF movie is finally happening after many years of being in development 🤞

[@Nickelbag610]

After the Kimba drama people should actually read Tailchaser's Song before saying it's a copy.

[@kellybarnett9079]

I draw Scourge’s colour as hot pink because once Moonkitti said “it’s not quite red, but not purple either.”

[@JotaroKujo-ip5wb]

i just think of scourge just having a closet of seperate collars all seperate colors

[@chuuislovechuuislife]

Literally all of my friends read warriors, so that's the game plans covered

[@SamuelTally]

The whole thing with Gillian Philip makes me sad.

[@daleballard4489]

I feel like Dovewing's eyes are supposed to be blue. But i also feel like when shes mad or sad her eye color changes

[@duststyboi]

Alex Harrier also drew balls on Firestar. XD I guess its just a thing for Firestar lol

[@trashman11]

People got that mad over cat balls? 💀 Wait until they see they’re petMr fuzzy has fireblenders as well.