The Way We Get Power Is About to Change Forever

[@nickmeyer238]

Push water up when you have too much energy. Then let it flow through turbines when you need energy on demand. A battery is simply stored energy. It doesn't need to be lithium based. Use energy to offset gravity. Then let gravity do it's magic and utilize the rushing water when you need it. Simple.

[@JD-yx7be]

Nick Meyer that uses up over 50% of energy to move it up. Batteries only use 10% energy loss

[@highcc]

Some hydros already do that on offpeak times to save water from river's basin

[@yutuniopati]

We already do that in France, it requiere a large damn and not anyone can do that.

[@djcbanks]

I was thinking something similar, instead of water, push up a weight. You could have multiple long rods with gear teeth on them and weights on the end of the rods that are continually "falling" and turning a gear hooked to a generator with favorable gearing for best output and when ever there is excess energy it will just raise the weighted rods back up. There can always be one "falling" so it is always generating if needed. You could even use wind assist to raise the rods to get a better return on your energy requirements to raise the weighted rods instead of having to use only electric motors. These towers could be hundreds of feet tall with multiple weighted rods in each tower.

[@nickmeyer238]

yutuniopati We built the Panama canal decades ago. We can figure out a way to build two reservoirs of water with one above the other separated by a damn. We can make clouds. We can make giant oil pipelines. We can easily figure out ways to move water to these areas, make artificial dams, and power places. It's not impossible.

[@DavidAxelrodP]

Batteries and panels are only going to get better as more talent enters the industry. Great work Bloomberg!!

[@fss1704]

they are expensive while gravitational energy is cheap as fuck, doesn't need a battery factory and have 0 carbon emissions, you can literally use anything to power it, sand, metal, garbage, requires very few components and is stable as a power source, it's completely scalable cheap and resilient, the engine can be made to withstand several decades with very low manutention, the cost of gravity storage can be 2 orders of magnitude better than batteries, it's implementation is much cheaper also.

[@DavidAxelrodP]

Links? I'd love to read more but it kinda sounds like the impossible perpetual motion machine story

[@aksa706]

For example you use the energy generated by water or whatever to store the energy to a rock by lifting a rock. Then when you let the rock go, you generate the energy again. Nothing about the perpetual motion machine.

[@DavidAxelrodP]

Mackeroth fair. Would make a lot of sense for stationary storage but you'll still need mobile storage for cars.

[@DanishSamsudin]

Good luck trying to hold a commercial airliner up in the air

[@Morrisondudeanddudette]

The question is limited resources to build batteries will hinder its development and storage unless we invent a complete different storage

[@electrichanoi7244]

Yes we have dams that are basically batteries! Pump water up when you produce too much electricity from sunlight and let it go back down at night/when needed

[@6Oko6Demona6]

Exactly this, this video is an example of very poor journalism

[@Handlebarrz]

@@electrichanoi7244 smart use of energy that is otherwise not being used up or created

[@vishalgiraddi5357]

We should use molten salt energy storage, it can be upto 40 times cheaper than li ion batteries, use common materials like salts & last way way longer

[@fabiovellozo942]

And They didn't even considered the Graphene supercapacitors that is in development in China. That would be a major leap in cost reduction. On top of that, today you don't need to have batteries to conserve energy. Many places use elevation and pumps to use the excess energy to pump water to huge elevated reservoirs, so when we need the energy, it can produce hydroelectric power on demand. Many ways to get to Rome. Human innovation cannot be underestimated.

[@Cuddlehead]

And they didn't even consider fusion energy. ITER will be finished in a couple of years.

[@Levitiy]

Capacitors only charge quick and discharge quick. The amount of energy they store sucks. Ideal for booting up, or accelerating something, not for the grid.

[@kellyb.mcdonald1863]

This may me sound insane in the brain, but here goes anyway!!! "The technology that will replace all polluting technologies that are wreaking havoc on our planet is the return of pizo electric crystal technologies that was used in the Ancient times of Atlantis 200,000 years ago, that powered all craft, watercraft, aircraft, land vehicles. The return of crystal energy power will give us back our blue skies, now the challenge is, who has the courage to stand up in front of their Senators and Congressmen, and raise the question? We can all start loving our Mother Earth, by returning to Atlantean Crystal Technology, and by doing this we adapt, and that is what love looks like, versus what pollution actually represent which is darkness, disease, decay, and death, which are plain ugly. I have amazing visions of Atlantis in my dreams, Amazing Simply Amazing. White Shaman - Kelly

[@Kevin-fn5tk]

@@kellyb.mcdonald1863 No the battery was already invented is called Nickel iron battery

[@ProneToInfection]

Everybody's talking about how dangerous batteries are, but no one seems to offer even a single solution. So you guys think we should stick with oil? Or don't you think if more time and effort was spent on batteries they would improve drastically and some of their issues could be resolved? Or should we look towards hydrogen? Nuclear? Or what's your guys' solution, cause right now everybody sounds like oil lovers

[@pasoundman]

A far simpler and proven answer is the 'walk-away safe' Thorium molten salt nuclear reactor. It's utterly different to those fuelled by Uranium or Plutonium and doesn't have the dangers of high pressure water/steam cooling. Moreover the mineral containing Thorium is abundant, safe and easily mined.

[@twirlipofthemists3201]

ProneToInfection Batteries / storage will soon be cheap, and maybe 100% non-toxic. Solar will be cheap. No worries.

[@pasoundman]

Hydrogen is a lost cause. It needs vast amounts of electrical energy to make and has to be stored as a liquid at very low temperatures, meaning special tanks to contain it. In an accident it's hugely volatile and will potentially cause an explosion large enough to take out a small block. The energy density is lousy and there's far better. Did you know it leaks through steel pipes, making them brittle in the process ? It's called Embrittlement. Worthless. End of.

[@pasoundman]

ProneToInfection, there is an abundance of solutions but most latch on to only 1 or 2 of the less interesting ones. They lack foresight, you see. Batteries WILL NOT improve drastically, nor will capacitors for a mixture of reasons embedded in physics and electro-chemistry. Oil from wells should be used much less to enhance the lifetime of known reserves. The future is, or should be, genuinely safe nuclear based on the Thorium cycle combined with less energy wastage !

[@CrazyCandyCrush]

Toyota Mirai is the answer!

[@voisinage17]

80% drop in 10 years doesn't necessarily mean 80% drop in next 10 years, costs in technology are usually an approximate curve, meaning the steepest cost drop has already happened, just food for thought.

[@woodstockjon420]

Spiller not according to Morse law

[@fss1704]

+Jon Towers lol

[@whykhr]

Spiller, that's exactly right. Bloomberg shows a hyperbolic curve of decreasing costs, and then conveniently ignores what the hyperbolic curve represents. It is called the law of diminishing returns. You initially can make big gains as you scale up but it becomes harder and harder until eventually rising costs of materials, labor and energy start pushing costs upward again.

[@brandonn.1275]

but then again we haven't exactly hit the highest limit in chemical energy storage quite yet since gasoline and several other substances take that spot, which basically means that we have a lot of room for improving the energy densities of batteries at lower costs still. One notable example is lithium air as it would have the same if not a higher energy density than gasoline, which would mean significantly lighter and longer ranged EVs. One also has to remember that ICE vehicles have a significantly lower energy conversion efficiency than batteries, so if a battery with the same mass as a full gas tank were to be placed into a vehicle it would likely have twice the range if not more than an ice vehicle.

[@renyuan4809]

Good point, the editors didn't study learning curve well. Or they just ignored this problem on purpose to make people feel more excited about future to make people like this video more.

[@vangar6716]

This puts a really positive spin on it for people who may not fully understand the technology. But what about the availability of the materials, thus the cost of those materials over time (Rare Earth metals)? How about the problem of recycling the batteries or discarding the batteries? Clean up after an accident? Weight? What we really need is more basic research funding to come up with a 21st century replacement, changing one problem for another with similar consequences is not a solution.

[@fss1704]

doesn't matter, for high capacity storage there's nothing more efficient than gravitational storage, because it's almost free. You can use a motor to lift a big rock, then later use the falling energy trough a generator to recover the energy. The system can work decades with low manteinance and high scalability, with 0 carbon and toxic impact

[@JD-yx7be]

Larry Gardner rare earths are some of the most plentiful resources in the world. Rare has nothing to do with the quantity it has to do with how hard it is to separte from raw material

[@whykhr]

"gravitational storage is almost free"?!? That's what pumped hydro is, and that has been and still is the cheapest form of energy storage. And it ain't cheap. To store 1000MW of solar PV in a mountain pumped hydro reservoir would require 1000MW of expensive pumps, 1000MW of expensive long distance transmission lines, two giant reservoirs eating up a huge area of natural land, releasing constant methane emissions = 80X the GHG potential of CO2, a 170MW turbine generator, and all you would get back is ~150MW of electricity, losing about 30% to pump/turbine & transmission line losses. Just think how much all of that adds to the already extreme cost of solar. And it pushes the EROI for solar 2.45:1 in sunny Spain, to below 1:1, which makes solar just a new fangled way to burn fossil fuels. There is no conceivable path to appreciable storage of electricity, total world storage is a measly 525GWh, 95% of that hydro, 1/40,000th of annual electricity generation. So trading rocks for water, hoists for pumps, turbines for drum/generators. The numbers work out better for water vs rocks. Water is easy to store in vast quantities, and easy to pass through pumps & turbines. With rocks you need huge extremely expensive cables, that need to be inspected and replaced regularly, a vast vertical cavern, that is hyper-expensive to make. There is a proposal to use rocks in a piston with water pumps lifting it, sort of like pumped hydro except using some granite which is 2.7X higher density than water, which is the only advantage, for a lot of additional cost. An Ontario company had a similar idea some years ago and went belly up.

[@karlwarner7438]

Indeed, Larry Gardner, indeed

[@alilabeebalkoka]

Plus solar panels are a oil product anyways. They are created using plastics which are based on the oil. So honestly when oil ends so to will solar panels. Also there is not enough materials in the world that can be used for batteries. So there are limits.

[@jasbcor]

Batteries introduce new problems too. The scale of lithium mining would have to increase some 50x over and then after 10 years or so, all of those batteries need to be recycled, disposed of, or replaced, that creates a huge environmental concern and management problem.

[@nickmeyer238]

jasbcor Why use. Lithium batteries? A battery is simply stored energy. Push water up to offset gravity when you have surplus of energy. Let it flow through turbines back down when you need energy on demand. Don't over think it. Lithium batteries are great for their designed purpose. Just like a plane is great for flying. But a plane is not good for space flight and a rocket ship is not good for flying. Using technology intelligently and in it's designed field is what we need. :)

[@jasbcor]

"A battery is simply stored energy." Really? I had no idea! Duh.

[@admiralmurat2777]

Afghanistan has all the lithium we need lol

[@brandonn.1275]

We haven't exactly reached the limits of lithium energy density , that limit is the energy density of gasoline with Lithium air. With the caveat of lithium air having superior energy conversion efficiencies compared to gasoline. With only 20% of the energy stored in gasoline being transformed into usable energy and the rest into heat whereas EVs with lithium air have 3x the efficiency of energy conversion compared to an ICE vehicle. Basically an EV with lithium air can go 3x the distance per pound of fuel in a ICE vehicle or 30 mpg in gas vehicle (6.86 lbs) and 90 miles with a battery of equivalent weight. (And that doesn't even include the reduced weight of the transmission and drive system in an EV)

[@nntflow7058]

The tesla battery.

[@DanielGolding1337]

Oh wow. This is incredible! One question, how did you secure an unlimited supply of cheaper lithium?

[@endofdays7568]

Do some research it's native to the planet ,And have you heard of Capacitors

[@Garhunt05]

There's more than lithium. Flow batteries work well for municipalities. Zinc and sodium based batteries are gaining ground and sodium metal is better than lithium and stupid cheap

[@paftaf]

Daniel Golding I like it when morons like you get schooled. You come up with a stupid statement, and you get humiliated. You disappear, change your screen name, and come back elsewhere with another stupid statement for more humiliation. You like that?

[@canofpulp]

@@endofdays7568 Have you heard of uneducated morons?

[@ericdew2021]

You don't actually destroy lithium when you use it. They're recyclable.

[@billdale1]

Thank you, Bloomberg... you create such positive, dynamic content that it would qualify you as "fake news" in Donald Trump's eyes, simply because you actually tell it like it is. Keep it up, please!

[@jayyoutube8790]

The best thing I ever did was buy my Tesla. I drive 60mi a day to and from work. It seems a bit strange not getting gas, but it's just as strange as plugging it in... It's become a habit much like plugging in your cell phone. It is the way to go. Should of done it sooner.

[@frankfahrenheit9537]

The best thing I ever did is moving close to my workplace. I ride my ebike 15 min in 1 direction.

[@MinkusTheCat]

The best thing I ever did was finding my prostate

[@polla2256]

The best think I ever did was cocaine

[@thefpvlife7785]

jon doe I aim to be there soon. Tesla rules

[@killax7]

jon doe serious question. I live in Canada(northern ontario) where it gets damn cold. Traditional batteries don't like cold and every 5-10 years I need a new one. Are Tesla batteries any different?

[@cdgggg]

why dont we use dams as batteries.

[@JD-yx7be]

cdg not every region has dams but every region has sun

[@highcc]

Brazil has a lot of it but invest nothing on solar/wind

[@cdgggg]

I thought waiting for the dam to accumulate water during the day. At night, run the dam twice as fast as normal to produce energy needed.

[@mmmaxxx__]

While this is a great solution, you'd need giant hydroelectric dams and that still causes massive environmental disasters like deforestation, soil infertility, food chain disruptions that cause plagues and animal extinctions, etc. A solution to this would be to build the plants in the desert where there is no wild life to disrupt, but that would take a ton of money and erosion would destroy it or make it incapacitated in years.

[@cdgggg]

I totally agree that dams has environmental effects, but if we produce more and more energy by sustainable sources at some point the current hydroelectric dams may become useless. Instead of demolish them, run them at night. In this way, water levels may not be as high as when works on full capacity, because the amount of energy that dams need to produce will decrease.

[@JameBlack]

RIP Russia, Saudi, Venezuela and other petrothugs

[@JameBlack]

modern Russia is a collusion of Tsarism and Communism and nevertheless. people support their government that's why they deserve an ongoing degeneration and an upcoming extinction

[@AlJalandhari]

Exxon Mobil and Chevron are the bigger thugs who have more of a control over the daily lives of Americans

[@crazieeez]

Battery chemistry has improved over the years to address toxicity, environmental, density, cost, charging, and weight. We've moved from lead based battery to lithium ion, and more recently carbon super capacitor. Carbon super capacitor solves all the listed problems: it is very light, you can store 100kWh weighing only 5lbs, the cost can dramatically be decreased to $1.00 per kWh, the material is recyclable, and the charge/recharge cycles will be in the 10,000's.

[@sillyitis]

One benefit that almost everyone overlooks with electric vehicles is lack of NOISE. Imagine quite city and main streets in small towns. Complete bliss.

[@MrCodyFBates]

Invest accordingly...

[@ElectricToast2099]

Bingo. October, people. October.

[@justinw4901]

TheCadillacCat What happens in October?

[@Aapkeller9119]

I've made 90% ROI on a lithium mining company this year. Plan on continuing to buy up as many shares as I can. (NYSE:SQM)

[@futurevideomedia5114]

what are some good battery related companies?

[@futurevideomedia5114]

Cool. let me know if there are any others.

[@AidanRhysLangford]

I actually felt HAPPY after watching this video about the environment.

[@harrisonc985]

Aidan Langford that means the conditioning is working you sheep

[@facepalmjesus1608]

WATTS = MONEY! here in 2078 we trade with battery currency

[@NGC-gu6dz]

This guy’s voice is more appropriate for a children’s narrative than news.

[@ralph5198]

I love how some decentralizing companies like We Power enable this transition by giving power to the community.

[@sjoerdt4812]

Are there changes in the sort of battery? I've heard about so called "graphite batteries" 2 years ago, but never heard something about it again...

[@brandonn.1275]

Sometimes it can take a decade to bring a product to market due to supply line and scaling issues, if the new technology diverges too much from your standard manufacturing methods you have to spend a lot of money for a lot of new equipment and worker retraining.

[@sjoerdt4812]

Thanks, very interesting to hear about it from a different viewingpoint!

[@scofield1154]

Sjoerd Tekelenburg we are reaching the limits of the atom universe. Lithium ion batteries are the lighest stabile batteries and we cant get physically lighter. Lithium ion batteries are literally the bottom of the physical universe. Scientists expect the batteries to increase only 2x in capacity . For comparison in the same time processors will increase millions or billions in processing power.

[@scofield1154]

Sjoerd Tekelenburg TL;DR Batteries cant support the exponential growth of technology. But batteries are essential for some uses, thats why people focus them. They are , so far that we know, the only way to supply energy without having a direct link to the source

[@sjoerdt4812]

Michael Scofield interesting to hear, it`s incredible to see what the modern science provides for us

[@vanvorst1999]

Conveniently omitted was the negative environmental impact of manufacturing solar and wind systems along with battery production and later recycling.

[@adiladle]

Im fairly sure despite this the impact is lower generally speaking than fossil fuel based systems

[@vanvorst1999]

@@adiladle Unfortunately, a quick Google search of the topic suggests otherwise.

[@adiladle]

@@vanvorst1999 whilst this may currently be the case any product which is used more is refined and becomes better, like think how inefficient cars used to be, in comparison renewables are a relatively new source, plus there are other ways of storing the energy produced by renewables

[@Concreetinit]

But batteries use chemicals and natural elements too. We will run out of them eventually

[@supersentaipepsi3736]

The one true Morty and then we'll create fusion or salt reactors.

[@reck6328]

Then again we might not need to use this forever. By the time that happened we would probably have better ways of managing energy

[@eduardokiryu5456]

They are more resource-efficient than oil or coal... And we are probably going to develop even more efficient ways to use the materials. The real problem is that if we all change to electric cars, it's not going to be more environment-friendly than just keep using our old cars for a more couple decades...

[@williamschwan207]

More research into graphene and carbon should help reduce the reliance on lithium

[@maegi99]

Plus you can recycle most of the materials, unlike burnt oil.

[@crbondur]

Graphene super-capacitors are a big step in the right direction for energy storage. Light, inexpensive, they have huge potential.

[@ari357]

Great content and awesome motion graphics by the Bloomberg team!

[@R1chardH]

Its not the batteries im worried about its the price of electricity and taxes on it when the switch happens

[@TomtiTycoon]

What are your sources for all these statistics?

[@nntflow7058]

What are religious people sources for their claims on god?

[@bigboybaggins8993]

Autumn Shag You don't have to be edgy , he just asked a normal question.

[@Distress.]

Autumn Shag are you saying green energy advocates are a religious cult?

[@ronfullerton3162]

X3C sure could draw that conclusion. Same blind allegence. Following the "prophet". Led by "high dollar" leaders.

[@pasoundman]

Thomas Clyde. The sources ? Fresh air and cluelessness, aided and abetted by a broken education system.

[@WebSoak]

Message from the future we still don’t have this!

[@Sora_Nai]

Message from the further future we still don’t have it

[@phishfearme2]

there's a terrific cartoon showing two researchers at a chalk board that shows "then a miracle occurs" to get to success - one researchers says "I think you need to focus on the miracle part". that's batteries - do people think science has been sitting on it's duff for decades and are just now looking into battery technology? hell no - we've only taken evolutionary steps and what's needed is revolutionary steps. that is, we need a miracle.

[@dogod708]

Do not forget that there is not enough raw material on the earth to replace everything that runs on oil, coal or gas in the form of batteries. What has happened is a very important drop in the standard of living. This level is directly related to the production of energy. The production of wind and solar panels is extremely polluting and very difficult to recycle. The major problems pollution, climate change, famine, revolts, diseases, overpopulation, energetic rupture, and human greed.

[@TracyMukami]

This is beautiful. Brings a tear to a glass eye. :)

[@deadgiveaway-z3i]

disgusting

[@JaiKrishna787]

I am really impressed with Bloomberg news sooner than you think. 😉😉😉😉 Awesome video Bloomberg guys. Keep it up.

[@sorry6726]

I feel pity for gulf countries. Ok now it's over do some work rather selling oil.

[@njack1994]

The problem with renewable energy is that by the time you reduce the output of power plants and then have to compensate when you not have enough power by ramping up output the reduction in efficiency makes it null and void of any gain on that scale. Also competition with batteries would only increase the value of Tesla.

[@gr8bkset-524]

How about charging our electric cars at work during the day with excess solar, then using some of the electricity stored in the cars batteries during evenings when we're at home?

[@ClarksonsinUSA]

Batteries are Toxic?

[@AnX555]

ClarksonsinUSA Yes lithium ion is toxic that is why you are not supposed to eat it or throw it away.

[@broany316]

Those hundreds of millions of batteries they want us to buy are non-recyclable. And wear out after 10 years. It’s a new crisis

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

Shoot the waste into space!

[@nntflow7058]

Coal and oil are toxic?

[@ClarksonsinUSA]

CO2 is produced when you exhale Autumn Shag,Trees/plants produce Oxygen as a waste product!!Odd how that works,it seems by design..:)

[@LinkinPark4Ever1996]

Too bad we only have 11 years to save the planet from pollution

[@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406]

Yeah, 4th generation nuclear reactors.

[@nykowow]

When one side of the world is in shade the other side is under the sun and vice versa. Why not just set up each side so that the excess electricity is sent to the dark side?

[@justus482]

Very informative and well formatted video. Thank you for this very fascinating video!

[@richbergonio8116]

Petrolheads will be gone at the future 😭

[@kersplatte]

Just like dinosaurs

[@NastyGolfer]

BOY DO I LOVE CAPITALISM!

[@tycko4]

Michael Mincone capitalism is a big part of why aliens don't want to talk to us.

[@dougs7367]

If it wasn't for Capitalism we would have had all this technology 100 years ago

[@LagottoLagoon]

Batteries have a finite charge cycle therefore a limited life span whereas upcoming Solid State Super Capacitors have infinite charge cycles and a little birdie told me that Energy Density of Li-ion in volume, weight and price is soon to be surpassed by Novel Super Capacitors, think Shipstone

[@maintoc]

Here's hoping. I was going to mention super-capacitors, but I see you beat me to it. Also, supposedly there are varieties of them that are carbon & cellulose-based that are extremely environmentally friendly compared to batteries.

[@LagottoLagoon]

Monoatomic Graphene derivatives for plates or electrodes that can be stacked and CHEAP SAFE dielectrics with super high permittivity, the little birdie is me BTW ; )

[@Nubbley]

a capacitor isn't a damn battery.. they serve completely different functions lmao. actually we have gold nanotube wires that are 400x stronger than lithium batteries

[@maintoc]

Of course a capacitor isn't a battery (damned or otherwise :p ). However, in the context of temporary storage of surplus energy, they (particularly super-capacitors) may have advantages over batteries.

[@LagottoLagoon]

We reasonably anticipate that Our Novel Super Capacitor will exceed the energy storage capacity (energy density) of Lithium-Ion batteries, measured by each of the three following standards: (a) energy per volume; (b) energy per weight; and (c) energy per cost; Our Novel Super Capacitor will be able to be charged at and properly function at very cold temperatures, including significantly below freezing temperatures whereas Lithium-Ion batteries (the State of the Art for batteries) suffer very serious problems when charged below freezing temperatures and cannot be charged at very low temperatures; Our Novel Supercapacitor will be able to be charged at and properly function at very high temperatures; Our Novel Super Capacitor will be able to charge virtually instantaneously; Our Novel Super Capacitor will be safer than all types of batteries, including being safer at a wide range of temperatures from very low temperatures to very high temperatures; We anticipate that our Novel Super Capacitor will be as safe or safer than all other types of super capacitors including being safer at a wide range of temperatures from very low temperatures to very high temperatures;

[@de0509]

Theres an alternative idea though. Its called Pumped Heat storage. The thing with our current battery is that it may be a bit expensive to acquire e.g. lithium. Pumped heat on the other hand uses common materials like rocks to store heat differential, which is then used to drive a motor to turn back into electricity. Im not sure what motor is the current idea going to use, but I think if they can use a stirling engine it may be great for efficiency. So using a motor, its possible to make a silo of hot rocks and another silo of cold rocks, and returning the energy back to electricity is by another motor. Perhaps the performance is less than the lithium but surely this is lower fire hazards, cheaper materials too. Yeah heat dissipates, but since the sun goes up everyday to power the solar panels and top it back up, then it shouldnt be a problem. And if we're not using up most of the energy by tomorrow then that sounds like overdoing energy storage anyway. Set aside the lithium for smoothing supply since they respond faster

[@tongtran007]

Batteries are already changing our livelihoods. Imagine this; an EVs battery used to power a home for a couple days during a blackout. That's exactly what happened during the Florida storm recently. Energy storage coupled with wind and solar is the way for a more sustainable future

[@lyntwo]

Graphene based capacitors for power storage.

[@twirlipofthemists3201]

lyntwo Maybe so. Hard to guess which technology will win, but it's already obvious it will be cheap and clean. Just a few more years.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

+lyntwo They can now make graphene in giant rolls so graphene batteries and super capacitors are coming.

[@xWood4000]

Fusion is the solution. For now the energy has to travel eight light minutes with fusion powered solar power but hopefully we'll get to tye point pf having our own controllabe sun.

[@fearlessreview]

At what geological cost though?

[@EileenTheCr0w]

One of the biggest obstacles to "clean" energy (an oxymoron) is that subsidies keep investing in current or old technology instead of letting the market evolve to the point that regular people will invest on their own to decentralize power generation. The market would work fine if the government would stop trying to force things. Yes I'm also in favor of getting rid of oil and other forms of energy that get subsidized.

[@desp8161]

How is clean energy an oxymoron? Hydro and Solar are cleaner than firing coal. Nothing is pure, so nothing is clean, but it's better than nothing.

[@pauldiamond1583]

Who is holding the patent for "graphine super capacitors"? I almost never hear anything about them. They are also getting cheaper to produce and would allow us to have cellphone that charge in minutes, battery-powered commercial aircraft, AND the ability to export power through the use of trucks, ships, and trains.

[@TotalJustinGaming]

How can you make a misleading video like this? If we keep using natural resources at this rate we are going to run out of them you are describing a dream that is going to turn in to a nighmare for humanity

[@olle6560]

@@francishubertd.billones9910 justin clearly doesnt know how abundant some elements are on this planet

[@maxonmendel5757]

Aren't batteries bad for the environment?

[@Neojhun]

A Big AIR BALLOON can be used for energy storage. It's known as CAES.

[@MinkusTheCat]

Maxon Mendel Batteries certainly aren't perfect for the environment, but they're much better for the environment than extracting and burning fossil fuels.

[@bucktooth002]

Rechargeable batteries last a really long time.

[@-TheBugLord]

Recharable batteries can actually last forever if they get regular maintenance and repairs.

[@lotusjaggarage2989]

Maxon Mendel yes

[@halilganiev4473]

Show this to people who say that life on Earth is gonna end in 2100.

[@MrSvenovitch]

Your and my life will have ended long before.

[@shizuokaBLUES]

I have studied this at the university level since 1989 and graduate level since 2000. Nothing has convinced me that life won’t make it beyond 2050, if not sooner. Every year that passes only reconfirmed this. Now I’m thinking 2040 ish.

[@halilganiev4473]

@@shizuokaBLUES I have studied this at the school level since 2018 and I'm gonna graduate this year, and guess what, if you analyze statistically, then it is clear that life is becoming more eco friendly as days pass, solar power and electric cars are a great example for my statement.

[@shizuokaBLUES]

Halil Ganiev I won’t argue that. But the issue is “inertia” and exponential population growth. If we were , 20 years ago, where we are now with solar and battery technology , I’d have a sliver of optimism. Next time you’re on the freeway in your area, look around. Check out the ratio of electric or even hybrid cars. That of course doesn’t take into account , shipping, air traffic, deforestation for beef cattle, and concrete buildings. Living abroad in an Asian country also helped me see first hand how truly doomed we are. I hope things change profoundly and quickly. Otherwise our house of cards is going to collapse before our eyes

[@EricMeyer9]

As an Environmentalist I really can't support renewables+batteries. It's much too mining intensive and land intensive, Nuclear energy has a much smaller footprint.

[@raviraushankumar5536]

One question came in my mind: Similar to petroleum, won't the materials (Zn, Ni, Co etc) of battery be issue in future? And also waste management of those batteries which would have been useless after multiple cycles.

[@peforster6725]

What about NF3 pollution from making solar panels? Hope R&D is going into reducing NF3 - more harmful than co2

[@alkoristar]

Where are you going to dispose old batteries?

[@aaronmcculloch8326]

Recycle them using the recycling robots in the same factory that built them. The top and bottom 1 mm is sliced off, the jellyroll membrane extracted, straightened and stacked, and the outer jacket collected. It's a chemically refined from there in processes very similar to how they are initially mined. The tech not only exists but there are relaxing youtube videos of it being done blindingly fast.

[@dulynoted2427]

alkoristar That’s the least of your worries

[@rif42]

@alkoristar; Lithium-ion batteries can be recycled. See video "Renault - The circular economy electric vehicles batteries"

[@smasher123ism]

Aaron McCulloch Batteries degrade...

[@petersparks7363]

Yes Jonathan, after vehicles, you use them for static storage, then when they degrade there... recycle. Peace.

[@cleetus1715]

Curtailment ? Producing too much clean energy ? Are you serious ? Any person with an iq over 50 knows the reason is oil monopolies

[@Neojhun]

Umm even talking about even with a single private wind turbine for private grid use. You still have the same Curtailment problem. Issue is Consumption & Wind Generation just does not happen at the same time. Thus we need a buffer to bridge the Generation & Demand. Simple Logic.

[@mike160543]

Lithium ion batteries are designed for high power density. Grid scale storage requires huge numbers of cells. This limits the savings that can be made by larger scale. What are needed are cells that may have low power density, but have large individual capacity. Flow and liquid metal batteries show promise, but they are not yet ready.

[@danielbistel6336]

Why would companies stop charging high rates? It seams more likely that, as the switch approaches, companies would raise rates to so that they could sell how "cheep" electricity is. Then once the switch happens the companies sell the electricity at the same price prior to the approach with a line, " It will take a wile before the rates drop due to unforeseen costs. Retraining, labor shortage, etc." Dragging people along as the price slowly drops by small increments every few years. What they said sounds amazing but unlikely. I would love to see a day when places like Denver don't have smog problems. Where people can breathe clean air and not wonder why it is so different from what they breathe at home.

[@vickydixgaming9993]

I can't agree with your video. Here is why: Lithium batteries on a big scale pollute a lot! Plus you didn't consider storing hydrogen in your video which is practical to store energy more longer term. This video was well made but biased towards batteries which I do not agree with!

[@A.I.-]

Batteries may last for several years. Fossil fuels last by the seconds you consume it. "Lithium battery causes more pollution than burning of fossil fuels by the seconds" is the biggest BS argument. The production and disposal of Lithium causes pollution, but it is significantly less pollution. Hydrogen is another story.

[@DRTerabyte]

Batteries don't pollute! Batteries when used don't give off anything unlike fossil fuels. Batteries are also 100% recyclable, so no pollution whatsoever.

[@pasoundman]

There are huge problems with hydrogen, so huge it's not worth considering. It's utterly IMPRACTICAL.

[@pasoundman]

Jose D, Utter RUBBISH ! Recycling things that contain dangerous chemicals is very polluting.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Jane Smith And how do you produce the hydrogen?

[@minners71]

And where are these batteries made? In factories that pump out more pollution than the ones that we already have.

[@DRTerabyte]

Where do you think oil is refined? The factories that refine oil to gas pollute magnitudes more than any factory that produces batteries. One example is the Tesla factory being run on 100% solar and batteries. So no factories that manufacture batteries don't pollute any more than factories that refine oil. They actually pollute magnitudes less than oil refineries.

[@lotusjaggarage2989]

Are you trying to make Texas give up are massive trucks and big cars

[@atticustay1]

No, they can change to massive electric trucks and big electric cars!

[@lotusjaggarage2989]

Atticus do you know were electricity comes from

[@harryjessen]

pokejag 04 garage at that time it will come from solar and wind.

[@lotusjaggarage2989]

harryjessen so 2300 lol

[@dulynoted2427]

pokejag 04 garage Check out the Tesla semi.

[@th-l8936]

I love how at the beginning, it mentions that batteries are too expensive. But they fail to mention they're too polluting and dirty to produce.

[@moea.9120]

I have been thinking this for a while. See, if you have seen Nomad videos you would know that a family can survive quite easily off of a few batteries and solar panels on the roof of a van/motorhome. It only make sense to build future homes with solar panels and battery bank which will store additional power and also be used as a generator during outages.

[@shrekvt]

Problem is that the earth doesn't have enough lithium and other rare earth materials needed to make all batteries to do this.

[@twirlipofthemists3201]

shrekvt Batteries don't necessarily need lithium. You're just trying to scare uneducated people.

[@oOZdemOo]

They really do tho. There are no real alternatives for now.

[@lorissupportguides]

grafine batterys

[@jgillettejukebox]

The electric car is not really a green source. The batteries are a problem for recycling or getting rid of. More batteries? No. There is a better way.

[@jgillettejukebox]

Oh Boy. Tons of free energy tech out there. Tesla had it over a hundred years ago. We have it now. They just dont share.

[@mike-2342]

'There is a better way.' Said the man, with zero ideas of his own.

[@jgillettejukebox]

You sound like a guy who does zero research on your own. If you need some education on it Ill give you some. They have fusion energy, antigravity energy. You know you can make a car work on water? On Hemp? Please do some research and you find a plethra of free energy.

[@jgillettejukebox]

My experience doing that in the past is why I say it now. I am not going to do research for any lazy people. In the past I give links, info etc to back up what I know, but when I present it almost all refuse to look at the info. Its called cognative dissonance. Why should I continually go through the trouble for these people when in the end wont even look at the material presented? If someone REALLY wants to know the truth then they will have no problem looking it up on their own.

[@peterrobannsobrepena6029]

Drink your gasoline if you're addicted to it

[@greenmountain4366]

Yes lets cover the earth in toxic, corrosive batteries. That's the green answer. I mean they are made by fairies up in the clouds and it produces no problems. And when your done, pixies eat the batteries and fart rainbows. Yay.

[@Nubbley]

gold nanotube wires.. its the future man.

[@keithng5249]

Batteries can be recycled. In fact, Tesla has already done so with their car batteries and they toyed around with the idea of doing a 'battery swop' during charging periods to reduce charging time.

[@emperorpingusmathchannel5365]

Yeah if you are talking about disposable batteries. But these batteries are different, longer longevity and maintainable.

[@emperorpingusmathchannel5365]

It's better than innsiduos gases building up and having a drought every year

[@jeffc5974]

The alternative we've been using so far has been "covering the earth" with highly toxic petroleum.

[@jerriflorez7553]

The problem isn't the level of the technology, the problem is the people who will fight against it.

[@oksmith5171]

I hope the battery recycling industry grows as quickly as the manufacturing 🤔

[@mi4301]

It sounds great, but who can tell me, how much CO2 does it cost to produce these batteries? Where do the raw materials come from? Is another third-world country going to suffer exploitation and corruption from our trend? How many years do these batteries last? Are they recyclable and how much does it cost us to recycle them.. in my opinion, the world's biggest pollutants are those nasty pharmaceutical factories and manufacturing plants all around the world, construction and mining sites (...and "luxury" cruise ships which have no filter for their diesel engines... )

[@GrasponReality]

CO2..... less than 1% of the amount of CO2 to power the equivalent using fossil fuels.. Are they recyclable... yes it's pretty basic chemistry... How long do they last. It depends on the usage... in vehicles 5-10 years minimum and in stationary situations much longer.. At the time they have lost too much capacity for vehicles they can be reused for stationary batteries for 10 to 20 years longer... As the 1st cars are just getting to the point where it was thought they might be end of life most users are reporting less capacity degradation than forecast... Materials used... red herring argument as fossil fuels have many orders of magnitude more corruption associated with them. Currently Australia is the largest producer of Li, with Bolivia being second. But the entire argument is ludicrous... these people might be exploited so lets continue to use this other material that exploits a lot more people and is worse for the environment,

[@D0NtPh34rTh3R34p3R]

GrasponReality Your entire argument assumes that lithium will work. There are many problems with lithium, including it's insane toxicity. Lithium isn't the only solution, and it's factors seem to hurt the environment rather than help it. Why would anyone recycle a lithium cell when it's cheaper to produce a new one? What about the mining of lithium? It's hard to understand why someone would replace one environmental problem with another. Musk plans to build the world's largest lithium battery factory, it's hard to argue that he's not just doing this for his own economic interest.

[@GrasponReality]

That's some epic stupid.... dude you couldn't possibly be less informed if you tried? Insane toxicity of lithium? That is world class stupid...epic off the charts stupid... if lithium was as insanely toxic as you claim you'd be dead when you salted your food... lithium is found in trace amounts in all table salt... Giving you the benefit of the doubt it's possible you're thinking of cadmium... which is as you say insanely toxic and was used in battery chemistry before lithium cells became commercially competitive...it was easily rechargable but toxicity and the fact Ni-Cd cells develop a memory that limits recharges eventually gave way to Li cells in most applications. So what part of Lithium won't work? Is it possible that some other battery chemistry might come along that's better? Sure... but waiting for that is just stupid...That's like claiming that Ford shouldn't have built the model T and they should have waited until the technology was available to build the Bugatti Veyron. As for recycling the only reason they haven't been recycled up until now is lack of sufficient volume to make it commercially viable... as production ramps up so will recycling... As for why would anyone do it? The same reason we recycle glass, paper, and steel... not necessarily cheaper but more environmentally friendly. Musk already has built the world's largest battery factory.... of course it's in his financial interest.. isn't that what capitalism is all about? Just as it's in the oil industry's financial interest to oppose and resist any technology that would decrease the demand for their product.. The fossil fuel industry has worked out that the cheapest way to do that is lobbying and promoting FUD about the environmental risk they pose... As for trading one environmental problem for another your first task is to demonstrate the relative size of the environmental risk... I think you'd find that fossil fuels pose a many order of magnitude larger risk than stored electricity produced with renewable resources. There is a ludicrous meme floating around that supposedly shows a massive open pit lithium mine and compares it to a single fracked oil well... There are a bunch of problems with the meme... not the least of which is that the open pit mine is a copper mine as most Li is extracted from brines.. Then there is the fact that there might be a dozen Li mines compared to millions of oil wells not to mention that the majority of environmental impacts of oil are external to the well. How many birds have ever been killed in a Li spill?

[@D0NtPh34rTh3R34p3R]

GrasponReality I was pretty tired last night so I wasn't 100% coherent. There are issues though and I'm not convinced it's a perfect or even a good solution. Lithium is very toxic with an ld50 of 525mg/kg for lithium carbonate. For some perspective, Bleach is less toxic at 850mg/kg. The thing with lithium is that it crosses the blood-brain barrier, and like lead, accumulates in the body over time. Usually kidney failure happens first, since it forms a salt and collects in the kidneys. There is potential for an environmental disaster, either through waste or spillage and both aren't logistically avoidable. Recycling of lithium cells on a mass scale simply wouldn't be universal, especially if it's cheaper to produce new cells. My point is that there are other methods of storing energy that are less risky and already developed. The need for super efficient cells to store excess power is lacking, we already have methods such as hydroelectric dams (which already account for over 90% of the worlds energy storage.) Tesla is an investor trap IMO, and buying a continuous stream of batteries from Musk just sounds like a bad idea.

[@GrasponReality]

Wow! I must have taken quite an effort to come up with such ludicrously bad arguments! Seriously when you get called out for making an unsupportable argument doubling down on it only makes you look even more foolish... First let's address the toxicity issue... an ld50 of 525mg/kg is pretty low... for a 50 kg (110lb) person that's 26 grams of lithium... in as much as Li cells are about 2% lithium.. the ld50 would be ingesting 1.3 kilos of cells... If you're going to compare toxicity then you need to compare similar things... bleach is 88% water to an equivalent in Li solution would have a ld50 of 4,375mg/kg... But let's compare other common chemicals... caffeine.. ld50 of 250mg/kg, aspirin 200mg/kg, nicotine 50mg/kg... So tell us again about about the insane toxicity of lithium.. As for passing through the blood brain barrier.... why do we know about this? Oh yeah...because lithium has been widely studied for it's therapeutic effects in bipolar disorder... Funny you should mention lead... in as much as there are billions of pounds of lead acid batteries in use and they've been in use for well over 100 years.. it's probably the most benign use of lead there is... So feel free to explain how lithium used in the same manner is some how an environmental disaster but lead acid batteries are not.... As for pumped hydro... it does work as a storage technique but is far more capital intensive than batteries...Since solar is often in places where water is in short supply it's also not practical... It also has it's own set of environmental problems, particularly habitat destruction... There are also a limited number of places where you can practically build it... Battery storage might not ultimately be the best solution but claiming negative environmental effects of Li batteries when you're comparing it to any sort of fossil fuel generation is disingenuous in the extreme.

[@Diablo99V]

With the help of Power Ledger & Tesla the future of power management is bright. GO POWER LEDGER!!!!

[@birddown7835]

The problem with conventional chemical batteries is the necessity for mining of metals like lithium, which in the long term, would not be a sustainable practice. Waste management of batteries is crucial as well. Really hope to see breakthroughs in graphene batteries.

[@acmefixer1]

The batteries do not have to have lithium or any hard to obtain chemicals. over 100 yrs ago Edison invented the nickel iron batteries. Telephone central offices have been powered for more than a hundred yrs by conventional lead acid batteries.

[@telocity]

1. They are already developing NON-lithium batteries that use cheaper materials and more recyclable. 2. If you have excess energy, well why leave it excess? People need heating and cooling and it turns out using a heat pump is most efficient way to heat or cool water. Which can then be used for heating or cooling building or other things. Norway is already doing this. When electricity is cheap (excess) you can heat water and even store the energy that way till needed. There are other uses and ways to store energy then batteries.

[@faust3530]

THIS is the renewable energy argument I've always appreciated. make them cheaper and preferable to fossil fuels, and the free market will force producers to choose them. tax the hell out of fossil fuels and what do you do? ruin your economy while developing countries never think to stop for a moment. this is the future I want, not a carbon tax.

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

We already have those "giant batteries." It's called "pumped storage," and it's the water pumped uphill during the night by nuclear power, mostly in California.

[@atlasdaddy]

There is a term called " Memory " when working with batteries. Basically, when a battery is recharged over and over, eventually the battery only charges to 50% or less of its original capacity. Is this going to be a problem moving forward or has it been solved? Forgive my ignorance, I really just don't know. Thx

[@kenmsmith]

What are the batteries made from, where do you get the raw materials, how long do they last and what do you do with them when they reach the end of their life?

[@emperorpicard6474]

The one problem I can see with this is that demand might outpace supply stalling the reduction in cost for batteries at least for a while, possibly even raising the price again. If batteries hit a critical price point to make them competitive in the energy storage market, all of a sudden there will be a huge demand for those batteries. That could be bad for electric cars. Then again I could be wrong and companies might be able to meet the demand very quickly, but it looks to me like those giga factories take quite a while to build. And from what I heared it would take hundreds of those beasts to supply possible energy storage needs in the world.

[@bartd93]

How about, instead of changing the supply of energy by the use of batteries, change the demand? With more and more electric cars on the road, we basically have a huge number of batteries to our availability. When the wind goes down, why not just stop charging your car temporarily, or charge it at a slower rate? The electricity market is really taking a revolution the coming decades.

[@jimmypetelol]

Great video. Would like to know more on the effect of battery's raw materials; and their prices; considering they are finite resources (nickel, copper, aluminum, etc)

[@ievgentaranskyi1373]

Thank you very much for a very nice and useful video. What do you think would be the best way to make a profit from it, what would be the best way for investment? Battery companies? Panel companies? Maybe something else that I can't think of. Can you please give any suggestions on companies to invest that may go up? Thank you

[@78g476]

And now how do we safely dispose of these batteries when they are no longer useful without harming the environment? I'm sure someone has been thinking of battery waste management.

[@Patiboke]

In concentrated solar powerplants, they can run molten salt trough the pipes in stead of water, and use a heat exchanger to make steam. When there's too much heat they can pump part of the molten salt to an isolated tank and run that trough the heat exchanger at night: stored solar energy without batteries!

[@MindBodySoulOk]

Just FYI, OUR skies are already clear of pollution, well maybe not liberal skies like LA and NewYork City. But, there isn't enough battery making material for all of this. It isn't just about the storage capability. You have to have the materials to make it with. That's the real issue AFTER you create the technology.

[@laurencecope7083]

The problem with Litium Ion batteries is that of energy density. It is approximatly 1/10th that of fosil supplies. And the life of a lithium cell is about 5 years. They have to be replaced regulary due to dendrites growing in the film layers and punching a hole in the seperator and shorting out the cell. Remember the Dell batteries catching fire, that was due to dendrite growth.

[@chrissscottt]

It's the power companies' worst nightmare; every house generating and storing its own electricity.

[@dopiaza2006]

How about flywheel storage? Run it in a vacuum using superconducting bearings and you are pretty much unlimited in terms of capacity. Surprisingly efficient too.

[@JoeyC0914]

Could Bloomberg news ever be unbiased politically?

[@vinciandreozzi8990]

The US government gives subsidies to clean energy sources so that they are able to run even when it demand for power is low in the day. The best thing that can happen is we store clean energy in batteries then utilize that power during peak demand hours. Nat gas plants could still run at optimal capacity and stored renewable power would help make power cheaper for everyone

[@ej254]

Initially batteries are so environmentally friendly but I was wondering what it would take/cost to dispose dead or consumed batteries in a way that does not hurt environment??? Dose it get recycled and used again?

[@maxwellyt9745]

Lets get this done one power supply box for every home to support themselves. The power outage in Florida after hurricane Irma was terrible couldn't get water couldn't get gas and no food places were open due to us all being connected by power lines.

[@Lululemon2023]

You want to talk about the greenish of the whole supply chain? Like, it is very polluting to make solar panels, handle battery disposals, wind turbine that kill all the birds not to mention the look and feel of those turbines. Yes, examine the beginning to end process, not just part of the story, like they do with turning corn into fuels.

[@susancorgi]

Just went to UK in 2019. No. I've hardly seen any battery cars. We are still pretty much will drive gasoline cars for the next decade easily no matter what anyone predict.

[@killax7]

The problem is, batteries are arguably worse for the environment than fossil fuels.

[@flitsies]

The only things holding up this energy revolution is the wiliness of govts to adopt this tech for cities. I don't need to charge my phones and small gadgets via the grid, I can use a simple 12v battery connected to a solar panel this could provide all the energy needed to charge all my phones and stuff. I could also connect it to a small inverter and run small items of low power use. All this tech is available off the shelf right now. I've been doing this for over 20 years now it helps to reduce my electricity bill.

[@natalyv84]

There is a bigger problem with batteries. They have a relatively short life. Even if they come down in price, they are too expensive long term. Another problem is that power companies have nothing to gain from cheap power, just like pharmaceuticals have nothing to gain from curing cancer.

[@r6u356une56ney]

Use the excess power to desalinate seawater by electrolysis, and to then pump it to elevated storage. Then, you have both a supply of freshwater, AND by using gravity, a way to recapture the energy from pumping.

[@velezh12]

That sounds great and all...since the byproduct of burning fossil fuels is carbon dioxide then whats the byproduct of the spent batteries, do we just "throw them away" or recyle them...???

[@rannevermore7775]

Say all you want but this is the start. Shout out to Energy Australia for all their initiatives to shift to renewable energy.