The weakest moment that set 'deluded' Putin on path to 'greater Russia' | Former KGB spy

"Putin resigned from the KGB after the Soviet Union existed no more but he had a very good network that helped and that helped him come to power"
Former KGB sleeper agent Jack Barsky discusses the formative weakest moment that set Putin on the path to create a 'greater Russia'.
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[@barriewilliams4526]

Brilliant interview. Nice to see the interviewer letting him speak without interruption👍

[@dogpatchia]

WONDERFUL INTERVIEW . I love the interviewer and her thoughtful questions as well as this great man she interviewed . Keep it up !!!

[@Top-Jimmy]

This has to be one of the best conversations Times Radio have released to date. Absolutely fascinating. This Presenter is a total professional letting this incredible man just speak. Thank you.

[@kenjileach]

Such great in sight to the hard line Russian state of mind. He should be listen to by those in Russia who want change.

[@dark_mode]

​@@kenjileach LoL 😂 Putin has 80% approval rating. Looks like they're very happy with Putin 😂😂😂

[@timetraveler43]

@@dark_mode Approval rating is faked, as are your election results Ivan.

[@raevj]

He has HOURS in great podcast footage in KZbin much more detailed..Jack Barsky

[@Top-Jimmy]

@@raevj Thanks for that. 👍

[@robertschuler850]

Finally, real news that is done with professionism! Thank you!

[@montecarlo1651]

Kate, great interview by you. You shifted with the natural currents of the interview, you let him speak even when not answering your question, you created a rapport both with Jack and the audience and you gave us, the audience a hugely informative experience. Pure professionalism and very impressive.

[@davidthompson9141]

The murdock media machine promulgating low grade propaganda to brainwashed high brow idiots - see comments section

[@janeffernyawiramuriithi2101]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@cannotfindmyshoes3]

Yes, very well put. I wanted to say pretty much the same thing adding only that Kate is very beautifull too.

[@mikeoh6348]

yes , i was takin by Kate , very natural looking . I enjoyed this interview @@cannotfindmyshoes3

[@hitchensghost]

I especially liked the last question: as a professional liar and spy, have you been lying to me at all during this interview? His answer was golden. and I agree with Spanky too, plus her voice is really pleasant.

[@mikejung3908]

Another great interview. Thank you Kate.

[@PushyPawn]

That was amazing, what a life to have lived.

[@oleopathic]

These interviews are a part of history. Keep them coming, Kate!

[@DRUNKC0MMAND0]

they certainly will be and it wont be looked at as a particularly good thing or admired on the contrary.

[@oleopathic]

@@DRUNKC0MMAND0 how do you mean ?

[@DRUNKC0MMAND0]

come on you can't see what is taking place all over western media? when did you see propaganda during war aimed at a specific type of people the same is being directed to the Russian nation who fought the ones that used literature such as the p oisonous🍄 Im witnessing this take place everywhere I look read the comments its working @@oleopathic

[@DRUNKC0MMAND0]

The lies are another thing can you show me once anywhere Putin has said that his goal is to restore the USSR or anything remotely close to it? this is constantly pushed around all over western media not 1 bit of evidence only from people selling books. that's just one lie. I can think of lots more that would make this ex Spy🙄look like what he spent most of his time doing when he was in the KGB.@@oleopathic

[@Viktor-bb]

Кэйт это Екатерина, да

[@christopherj.osheav5807]

DATELINE KYIV OBLAST Jack Philip Barsky is a fascinating character. This was an outstanding interview. Thank you, Kate. V/r - IB An American in Ukraine UKRAINE : [THE OTHER] "LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE!" УКРАЇНА: "ЗЕМЛЯ ВІЛЬНИХ ТА ДІМ СМІЛИВИХ" GLORY TO UKRAINE! | TO HEROES GLORY! СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ! | ГЕРОЯМ СЛАВА!

[@brianlavigne3579]

Fascinating life/interview. Thank you.

[@rickgarcia4344]

Fascinating interview! I especially liked your question, "You're a good liar. Have you lied to me?" I am definitely going to read his book.

[@edwardfowle2404]

Great Interview. Awesome!! Please keep it up Kate!! You've really nailed it the past couple of days!! Slava Ukraine!!

[@AkyraNN]

One of the best interviews I have seen for a long time, thank you.

[@PrepareYourBusinessForSale]

An entertaining story, well told, and well prompted without interruption. "Have you lied to me in this interview?" LOL.

[@dayforit1750]

Fascinating interview and insights, thank you!

[@sergekudrynskyj6662]

That former Kgb agent reiterated that all Russian politicians, generals, bishops and the rest immediately agree with the leader, whatever he may say or do. That explains those bods....Lavrov, Peskov, Medvedev, and the rest, and probably 80% of Russians. This goes back to the histories over there, whereby anyone that disagreed with the government got punished, either pick and shovel and wheelbarrow on the permafrost in Siberia, or worse. That is why everyone over there learnt to say nothing and obey in order to safeguard their health!

[@oldernu1250]

Russian serf mentality, just like 200 years ago.

[@eliphasphiri4090]

Totally agree with you, and he can't find way out of that self deception 👿👿👿

[@Akenfelds1]

"Putin is deluded": Things that didn't need to be said No. 2971. I just want to know when we, the normal people, the people who value freedom and democracy, are going to get rid of that worthless pest.

[@DynaCatlovesme]

There are many worthless pests we're needing to be rid of, and Putin isn't the highest priority.😮

[@CTimmerman]

@@alexanderlazarev3570 According to Alexey Milchakov there are no Ukrainians, only brainwashed Russians who need to be exterminated.

[@MrJdsenior]

That makes no sense. What do you mean? @@alexanderlazarev3570

[@paulmurphy8549]

Putin was a moderate pro Europe now he bitter old man

[@briancarno8837]

@@alexanderlazarev3570 off course..well that money wont launder itself

[@ojonasar]

I posted a comment on a Russian KZbinr’s post “I get the feeling that Putin sees himself as Russia” and got a “Yes” back.

[@jiyushugi1085]

That was a fantastic interview. Thank you! My grandmother, the Austrian journalist Gusti Stridsberg, was a communist sympathizer who lived and worked in Moscow during the mid-thirties and served as an interpreter and translator at the Comintern. In her autobiography she describes the faith that the Russians of that era had in communism as an almost religious fervor. She left when the purges started, spent some time in a Gestapo prison, worked as a journalist and nurse during the Spanish Civil War and ended up in Stockholm, where she once again fell in with Soviet agents..... Her autobiography has been translated from the original German into both Swedish and English.

[@bridboland8839]

I'd like to read this

[@hakangustavsson3538]

Very interesting. I have seen the name Gusti Stridsberg before. I will buy the book. It is easy to find in Sweden.

[@geofflepper3207]

Capitalism didn't look very good in the early 1930s. One can understand why at the time so many people wondered if there was a better system. And it seems that many people in the west did not realize at the time just how much of a monster Stalin was.

[@Djamonja]

Just out of curiosity how did she view the two sides in the Spanish Civil War? It was sort of a precursor to WW2 with rightwing vs. leftwing.

[@theploeg]

Austrians are just Russians with good PR.

[@BABOOM69]

ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC INTERVIEW!! thank you times this was diamond ❤

[@zororosario]

Authentic interview with a man whose colorful past is still fascinating 👍

[@sedoff1948]

A wonderful interview with two intelligent people. My father was a CIA operative, he the son of Russian immigrants. I led a childhood not knowing of my father’s mischief, living after the war in Frankfurt, then Bangkok, and finally Rio de Janeiro. Being in the Soviet Division of the Agency, he was involved in some of the well known spy affairs like Penkovsky and others. He debriefed Victor Balenko who escaped out of Siberia to Japan with one of their latest MiGs. My father later turned out to be a somewhat surrogate father to Victor. And I happened to go to school with Robert Rosenberg at the University of Michigan in the 60s. Robert is seemingly still to the Left as I swerved to the right. Anyway, I saw a lot in Jack that was in my father. And if my father did lie he would always follow the example of Jack in telling my mother how nice she looked, regardless.

[@davidthompson9141]

The murdock media machine promulgating low grade propaganda to brainwashed high brow idiots - see comments section

[@docsmallblock6584]

U of M, I'm sorry.

[@IAM-hy3dd]

I wonder why he was so surprised to the Ukrainian women speaking Russian? It is not unusual for people that live along a border to speak the language of the neighboring country. For example, I am a Caucasian that grew up on the border with Mexico that can speak Spanish fluently without an American accent. I feel this relatively normal along most country borders. The same applies to Eastern Ukraine with bordering Poland.

[@Teffi_Club]

Eastern Ukraine was under the russian rule since the middle of the 16th century. Russian tzars banned the Ukrainian language. In big cities people were russified. But after 30 years of independence younger people speak Ukrainian.

[@IAM-hy3dd]

I meant Western Ukraine, not Eastern Ukraine when speaking about Poland.

[@markwillies7666]

​@@IAM-hy3ddJa I was just wondering when Poland had been moved.

[@Viktor-bb]

Словянские языки похожи, можно разобрать

[@mishaillich9728]

How little sensitivity these leaders have, Ukraine has suffered the massacre of its citizens with thousands of deaths by an invading country and they ask Ukraine to give in, the question is if their countries were invaded would they also give in? The answer would hardly be the one that they ask!.

[@davidrosa8971]

Tell me how is Ukraine invaded when the population is all Russian?

[@indieanna4764]

​@@davidrosa8971no they speak Russian.

[@AgnesC1111]

Have you heard about the famine of1938?

[@casard5235]

A great interview with Jack Barsky. He is a very intelligent interviewee dealing with the emotions raised by Kate's questions. The Human qualities that he projects are indeed welcome, Bravo.

[@sergeylazurenko6263]

The reason that Jack was able to understand Ukrainian ladies is that they were speaking in Russian. Ukraine is a bilingual country.

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

parce que russie et union soviétique a russifié Ukraine par force бо Росія і Радянський Союз русифікували Україну силою

[@steveclemons8191]

I have known several Ukrainians who spoke Russian.

[@volo7877]

​@@drreaganeliedithphd6526правильно сказав! Слава Україні.

[@IntelligentArtefact]

Similarly a lot of Scottish people speak passable English.

[@marymarlow3646]

@@IntelligentArtefact haha!

[@j.m.starling9726]

He is right about the language, I would have guessed he was from New Jersey or Long Island.

[@boudicca9807]

He still has an accent.

[@stephengrimmer35]

@@boudicca9807 yep, but it's Joisey/Brooklyn Jewish. As long as his cover story was chosen wisely, it would work.

[@Teffi_Club]

​@@boudicca9807everybody has an accent.

[@nicholasmason8116]

Another highly informative and excellent interview of a very interesting guest. Well done Kate.I look forward to watching and listening to your interviews whenever I can. Thank you. Nick

[@unclepete100]

I am the same age as this man. We both saw the Wall go up and come done. Amazing really, and then Putin surfaced ……. PS: if anyone is interested in postwar East Germany’s story, a book titled ‘Stasiland’ by Anna Funder is a fascinating read.

[@captlazer5509]

Stasiland is a very good book. Accounts from those who resisted in East Germany and the Stasi officials. Russian youth today have no clue of that era.

[@dpelpal]

@@yanksbiglywvil You realize the russian army is nothing more than a joke now, right?

[@Aussie-Mocha]

Also, if you are not a reader like me, he is interviewed by Lex Freedman. That alone was facilitating 😊👍🏻

[@kevinhorgan2770]

​@@captlazer5509 Uk today

[@totallyinsane6431]

​@@yanksbiglywvil Ain't nobody gonna listen to you! Orc! ✌️🇺🇦

[@j.k.d.126]

Jack is smart enough to know he has nothing to gain by lying at this point in his life.

[@dark_mode]

And yet that's all he does 😂

[@opaul7500]

@@dark_mode The treacherousness is so ingrained it's really too late for him to suddenly change successfully into normality without going absolutely nuts. You can see the mischievous smirk when he's at it, and almost see him twitching, she knows. That's why she had to ask him.

[@blockchainreaction762]

What a fascinating interview. It gives you insight into the lives of sleeper cells.

[@Skibbam]

I really enjoy these interviews. To me Kate Gerbeau has a very Barbara Walters type style. Informative & entertaining at the same time. Well done.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

She’s really, REALLY good. Kate’s one of the sharpest interviewers working anywhere right now.

[@NoJustice.NoPeace]

I couldn't quite put my finger on it at first but yes, you are absolutely right! I knew there was something so familiar about Kate. 🔨 You nailed it! She has a very Walters'esque style.

[@clarettanijhuis8345]

She’s way way better than Walters….no American phoniness

[@timothywalker4563]

Kate good interview with Jack Barsky, this something I’ve been waiting for this for years 😊

[@Viktor-bb]

Барский это не певец😂

[@donjankura2411]

Great interviewer, great interviewee, wonderful insight and really puts a human face on the Cold War era.

[@dutchy661]

Thank you Kate and thanks you Jack for this🙏🏻

[@michaelhenault1444]

As usual a gem of an interview. I've heard the gentleman speak before.

[@hybridarmyoffreeworld]

Yes. Seems to me there should be more explicit emphasis that US support for Ukraine is a national security issue, not a “foreign aid” issue.

[@dissonantiacognitiva7438]

Realism is something very much amiss in western journalism

[@jannichi6431]

Without reading Jack Barsky's bio, have seen him interviewed in the past. She comes to interviews so prepared and knowledgeable. Thanks Times.

[@AhmedAhmed-ki1sd]

Leading questions,paranoia n propagandaz.

[@DerekTrowbridge]

Another great interview Jack. I also loved your Book

[@Cuzthatwouldbeweird]

The first casualty of war is the ability of rusky bots to stop talking nonsense

[@igorjajic2726]

Its funny when you casualty of bbc goebels 5 eays of orwels sad that hahahaha... Little ape on swine farm trying to think. From serb

[@George.Andrews.]

russians, wonderful people? That may be a bit of a stretch.

[@Nick_S0]

Yeah, right. Says a representative of the most hated nation on earth.

[@George.Andrews.]

@Nick_S0 russia, north korea, Iran. The most hated country's on earth. Stew in it. Who wants to go to any of them? No one.

[@fidelabc123]

Damn, it got real personal when he brought up betraying his German wife

[@ronmortimer252]

"Russia was never a great nation." Well that helps explain why Putin's dream is the world's nightmare. Little man (nation) wanting to be a big man (nation). They did produce some great writers, composers, and chess players though.

[@CTimmerman]

And Tetris.

[@paulmurphy8549]

It's the largest country on the planet

[@monikadale6563]

Russia is a Superpower

[@perkunast9680]

@@monikadale6563 Russia has an economy = to Texas, and that was before the war.

[@robplazzman6049]

And, bizarrely, world motocross champions in the late 70s.

[@jonduncombe2658]

Congrats again, love your interviews

[@kennethjaggers4108]

Absolutely wonderful interview. Even though Jack was “The Enemy,” I enjoyed his comments. Your interview technique was excellent.

[@danburnes722]

Kate is fantastic. Kate is an ideal interviewer and journalist.

[@frankshailes3205]

A shame she is hidden away as a newsreader on British Forces News (whatever that is), according to Wikipedia.

[@jessehachey2732]

Let me guess, she didn’t interrupt the guess 😂😂😂 are y’all getting paid to regurgitate the same lines on every clip? You all sound like homogeneous sheep…it’s weird!

[@eduardos.366]

As always, Kate was lovely. Keep the good work.

[@war-painter]

Great interview! Btw Kate love your hair. Knocking it out of the park with this one.

[@halporter9]

Great interview and an impressive interviewer

[@joeyfotofr]

It was good to hear Jack Barsky's comment about his very best German friend who has sided with Poutine in Ukraine War one of the closest friends in my life is Russian (also a chemist), who is also "sided with Poutine" in the Ukraine war. i understand both the pain and acceptance of the very difficult difference. i was born is Silicon Valley, and worked there much of my life. I share Barsky's apprehension about the risk of Ai over the same potential to be of powerful service to evil. And yes Russian culture is wonderful, Russia people are amazing, Russian leadership is brutal, corrupt & evil.

[@KhalidHasanCanadian]

An eye opening interview

[@dpelpal]

I made tea two rubles ago, and it's still warm! 🤣

[@dpelpal]

Putin on Monday: _Remove sanctions or we will nuke the world!_ Putin on Tuesday: Sanctions not hurt russia, all ok, ruble just fine. Putin on Wednesday: _If sanctions stay in place, russia will dissolve and we nuke! Remove now!_ Putin on Thursday: Western sanctions totally fail, ruble ok, we don't care about sanction! 😂

[@alexanderlazarev3570]

You certainly much more obsessed with Putin and rubles then we are here in Russia. The whole world is still running around Putin's Russia and it's rubles.

[@dpelpal]

@@alexanderlazarev3570 I think most of the world is just laughing at russia🤣

[@alexanderlazarev3570]

@@dpelpal So, let's laugh together with Putin. Or, maybe you prefer to cry with Zele.

[@dpelpal]

@@alexanderlazarev3570 I think the entire world is laughing at russia🤣

[@peterwhite7428]

Great interview Kate. I love the way you ask straight forward questions and let the person reply. And I have to say you are looking particularly pretty today. I’m an American violin maker and I listen every day as I make violins. I support Ukraine and deliver medical aid to the soldiers there. Keep up the great work.

[@stephengrimmer35]

Putin was a desk jockey full of himself. This guy was Double-Oh league.

[@user-sc4lb2wz9e]

Fabulous interview. Kudos to all involved.

[@JosannaMonik]

I'm so sick of men on power trips running the world; it's totally unacceptable.

[@Hovercraftltd]

Fascinating. First hand articulate account of a world we can never know but now can imagine so much more of. Thank you.

[@jacklegrand9983]

Although he changed systems like others change their pants, he still remained human. Very instructive.

[@garethdavies6552]

This Interview was A little Concerning. Until he said. SPACE SHIPS. I'm a Proud Welsh Man I HOPE to God that the Ukrainians can Keep it up. My ❤is with them. ❤️🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@jaycee5968]

Love you content and commentary. This podcast is so important to us here in the US

[@ehisgeorge414]

Important to a society cultured to embrace and romance with lies. Remember Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, 911, Somalia, Cuba, Yugoslavia where your leaders killed millions after heaping lies on your brains.

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

For me the moments around the 10minute mark made the most sense - the explanation of riots outside Putain's work says it all - it scared him (and scarred him) and formulated his attitude just like a very similar experience that Louis XIV had when the Frondeurs burst into his bedroom. He pretended to be asleep and miraculously they left him alone - but he never left that to chance again. And that seems exactly what is going on with Putain's psychology....

[@alexanderlazarev3570]

My Lord, how miserable.

[@davidthompson9141]

The murdock media machine promulgating low grade propaganda to brainwashed high brow idiots - see comments section

[@skyer82]

Loved it! Listened twice to get every detail! ❤

[@sergekudrynskyj6662]

I used to read a magazine once, back in the 1960s. It was called Mad magazine and it had a section.....spy versus spy!

[@Kavala76]

Barsky, huh? According to Wikipedia he helped promote the Russiagate story and the Russian election interference story. That tells me all I care to know about him.

[@user-ch5rt6wo9w]

Thanks, sounds about right

[@keithsteele5580]

You are so correct, in stating , your wonderful comments 💖😜🙈

[@tonupharry]

Putins ego is huge ? Thats so funny because everything else about him is so tiny 😂✌.

[@oneshothunter9877]

That's why he wears 👠👠 to gain a few centimeters of height. 😁

[@dpelpal]

Little man, big joke🤣

[@alexanderlazarev3570]

Oh my, you are all obsessed with him, you are constantly speaking about him. Doubt you ever sleep. The whole world is running around Putin.

[@CTimmerman]

@@alexanderlazarev3570 Especially those on the front lines.

[@alexanderlazarev3570]

@@CTimmerman Including you.

[@Whistlewalk]

That was a VERY interesting interview. My thanks to you and your guest.

[@judithbradford9130]

i've been plagued with the suspicion nobody knows how well Russian nukes work or are maintained, least of all Putin!

[@johnnicholas1488]

Well done. Thanks.

[@frankdegroot3732]

Russia has the likes of Tucker Carlson, Flynn etc

[@wendyandrew3707]

So interesting to get this perspective on Putin. All this available to educate us on Russia and Putin that so many westerners are ignorant of. I want to spread thee words i am hearing. My favourite interviewer Kate G too.

[@luisfigointer]

Well said, Russia was never a great nation. And I would add it never will be.

[@Nick_S0]

Neither you or him have a say. Only history. However, the sheer idea that some nations (e.g the one you belong to) are greater than others is racist. Reported.

[@franksemi_modular]

Now I gotta read his book! You instantly feel how sharp his guys reasoning is even if he is up in his years. Good interview and interesting indeed 👍👍

[@vanessali1365]

Would KGB have let him go if he's "sharp"?

[@franksemi_modular]

@@vanessali1365 he is sharp I have no doubt. All the body language says it even he up in his years. I'm thinking he reminds me of a savant guy from the UK I meet 30 years ago. Anyway I see you your point, but I don't think they knew what they were doing. Kgb was in my mind overrated for many reasons, one of them was cuz of propaganda by creating fear and mystery from their very existence and a few single event. Like he said himself he didn't believe there was that many sleeping/invisible agents and that they rated him as an valuable asset. No saying that ther methods where not to be taken highly serious. Again just in my view, the danger was and still is even more today in the Russian power not the individuals but in their numbers and disregard for human life, willingness and persistence to do whatever it takes to get to the goal. I have a friend witch grandfather was a high ranking Russian military man and he told my friend many years ago that the Russian strategy was primarily always to create fear because it's the most effective way of changing peoples minds. And we see it plays out today on display for the hole world to view in Ukraine. That's also itself a part of Putin's last desperate attempt to sway support away from Ukraine. By creating as much fear as possible. But looking at history, at the end of the day Russia have never known exactly what their goal was and what they was doing. Their strategy is the easiest and most despicable one and perhaps the most effective in short term, but I am convinced that they will fail harder than ever before this time. Even if it takes perhaps years or a decade. In the end it's the Russian population that will suffer because of an insane idealogy that is not fit for a modern world. Sure some will be fine like people with a larger income but within a year or two they will face economic conditions far worse than n the 80s USSR and they are not prepared for this.

[@dpelpal]

Putin and the russian army have now become the laughing stock of the world lol

[@dpelpal]

I guess his "Kyiv in three DAYS!" kinda got put on hold🤣

[@martyn4501]

I refer you to the extensive new mass burial sites in Ukraine.

[@lockedandloaded6522]

NO SLUMDOG, IT IS DELLUDED SCHIZOPHRENICS LIKE YOURSELF WHO WILL BE BEGGING FOR MERCY WHEN THE TIME COMES

[@leftfootforward1040]

​@@martyn4501more drivel from the russ trollski

[@bryandimery6509]

The Russians are laughing all the way to odessa, with 20% of ukraine now new russian lands and nato embarrassed for all to see.

[@d.gjochimsen9725]

Really interesting talk today! His background is fascinating!

[@bradhigerd4838]

He nailed it. Russia was never a great nation and what it produces over its vast lands is of limited interest to the world. Grain and oil, and the oil was already there. But I do get the point: destroy Ukraine (including civilians), and you have more wheat, more natural resources (stolen with a curse on it all), and control of the oil, fertilizer… pipelines. Then Russia will have the ability to attack more nations. Makes sense. I played RISK. Only real people are dying for one man’s ambitions.

[@frankshailes3205]

I played World in Flames, we're in about 1938...

[@davidrosa8971]

Crimea was Russian until it was stolen by sneaky politicians in 1954. So i don't see what you're going on about. Its population is Russian as well.

[@bluemarlin8138]

As far as Ukraine’s resources, Ruzzia doesn’t so much need them as it wants to block Ukraine from being a reliable and friendly supplier of those resources to Europe. Ruzzia wants to have a monopoly on pipeline oil and gas to Europe, easily accessible titanium, etc. The main resource Ruzzia wants from Ukraine is Ukrainians. Ruzzia is suffering from severe demographic issues and its population is shrinking rapidly, with basically no immigration to slow or stop the slide. This will be a calamity for Ruzzia, which already has a labor shortage and a shortage of military-aged men. It wants to add as many people (especially young people) as possible from Ukraine, Russify them, steal their engineering prowess, and use them to prop up Ruzzia’s economy and military. And of course, let’s not forget the overriding goal of this whole war and Ruzzia’s aggressive foreign policy in general.....focusing the Ruzzian people on external “threats” to keep their attention away from the massive theft of the country’s wealth that he and his cronies have perpetrated.

[@DaDunge]

Yeah they were. In the 18th and 19th century they were very much great nations. Perhaps the preeminent power in the world though Spain and Qing China may have a word about that.

[@imustbecrazy5626]

Was it NATO breaking the treaty that was supposed to keep Ukraine free from western military presence?

[@jdocean1]

No

[@kevingrimbeek2106]

What an educational experience?! 🤗👏🙏

[@cindypomerleau950]

Although who could help but like Jack, I find it hard to believe there aren't sleeper agents then and now. And what can be done with all this Russian propaganda flooding the internet. It's been horrific here since before TFG entered the political arena. HELP !

[@war-painter]

Likable but Jack was an unreliable narrator most likely

[@cannotfindmyshoes3]

I like this guy. I REALLY like Kate too. Great, interesting interview.

[@ruibebiano9015]

Awesome interview 👏🔝🙌

[@Sydney559]

That's such a great interview!!!

[@nelsongomez164]

Great guest K❤️🍎

[@greg.tallent]

Excellent interviewer.. a strong man is Jack

[@meowmeowmeow1243]

This just blew my mind.

[@maximilliancunningham6091]

37:40 So for the purposes of infiltration, in this war scenario, Ukrainians and Russians are so alike, on an individual level, in the same sense that most Canadians, and Americans are indistinguishable.

[@turboslag]

Fascinating interview. Confirms for me the origins of protest groups like just stop oil.

[@daydays12]

Kate is the best interviewer on Times Radio. Another curious interview; thank you. The interviewee seems surprisingly ignorant about Ukraine.... he was surprised he understood two Ukrainians speaking in Russian!! Like being surprised hearing a Welshwoman speaking English!!. Kate handled his ignorance well... with a little smile and moved on. He sounded as if he was going to say something interesting about the similarity between Ukrainian and Russian spying techniques and instead talked about the two Ukrainian women. Previously much of the information he conveyed was from books he'd read ( he said so himself).. one of them by an English journalist, or TV shows , such as the one about Russian 'sleepers' in the US. He was also confused sometimes but Kate was very good and let him contradict himself and let him ramble too. He said he learned to be a very good liar. I believe him

[@francisoneill3784]

Interesting linguistics, in the section on Prighozhin. “Whatever comes out of Ukraine…” In fact it’s clear to me he should say: “Whatever comes out of Russia”. I leave the viewer and listeners to investigate the rest.

[@IAM-hy3dd]

I did find it interesting that the interviewer did not attempt to clarify that statement.

[@mathildestoltz4260]

I thought the same thing. That was really weird.

[@roderickmacdonald6553]

Very authentic

[@robbierobinson8819]

A great choice of topic and getting such a subject.As he said, nowadays, the Russians (or anyone else for that matter) can find enough potential traitors to not go to the trouble of developing effective sleeper agents.

[@Teffi_Club]

Traitors 🤬

[@michaeljoiner2503]

He seems very believable and candid

[@drfill9210]

That last part... wow!

[@marvwatkins7029]

Well traitor or not, his ego is certainly as big as Putin's. I'm surprised he's still alive and free.

[@vusumuzilouis3826]

He just said it he doesn't know know he was never told yet he believes he was the only sleeper this guy's thinking capacity 😮😮

[@carolinestocks4788]

Excellent

[@matthemaniac]

What an interview that is! Deeply moving! Thank you Times Radio! I am pretty much overwhelmed right now! Excellent interviewer!

[@dpelpal]

I'm still laughing about putin's "Kyiv in 3 days" lol. What a joke russia is now

[@francoisjohannfaber3652]

🎉​🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉@@dpelpal

[@eldorado5319]

The same here.

[@judeflynn9223]

@@dpelpal stop lying..source ?

[@luke250829]

@@judeflynn9223 Bot triggered

[@adamh1228]

what a great interview here!